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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of Iheartrading.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

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Speaker 2: Our co host Ben has gotten himself into another one

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Speaker 2: of those international situations. We are certenglement perhaps, Oh yes,

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Speaker 2: oh yes, We're certain he'll find his way back home soon.

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Speaker 2: We are joined today, as always by the one and

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Speaker 2: only Paul Mission Control A decand and guys, today we're

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Speaker 2: diving into the old voicemail box.

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Speaker 3: Is a boxer a bag? I guess if it's a

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Speaker 3: letter as it's a bag, but voicemail it's a box.

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Speaker 2: Weird, my son says, dude, I babes. Yes, but we're

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Speaker 2: going to pull out some of the most thought provoking

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Speaker 2: stuff that you have been sending us over the past

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Speaker 2: couple of months. And before we get started, just want

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Speaker 2: to put it out there if you want to send

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Speaker 2: us a message, it's super simple.

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Speaker 3: Dial that's one eighty three three std WYTK. It's literally

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Speaker 3: that easy. The S and the T and the D

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Speaker 3: and the W and the Y and the T and

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Speaker 3: the K correspond to alpha numerica characters on your phone keypad.

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Speaker 3: But you can figure that out right.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, And let us begin with a sighting in

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Speaker 2: the skies above the Atlanta metro area.

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Speaker 3: What I didn't hear about this? I live in the

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Speaker 2: Well, this message comes to us from Brett Watcher of

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Speaker 2: the Skies.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Ben, Matt Noel, This is Brett Watcher of the Skies.

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Speaker 4: I was just leaving you a voice mail to let

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Speaker 4: you know that I have sent you some photos of

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Speaker 4: UAV that I took. I thought I had sent them

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Speaker 4: to you in early May, along with a little letter

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Speaker 4: of explanation, but I found out today that it wasn't sent.

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Speaker 4: So I'm hoping you get the letter and the photos.

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Speaker 4: I think they're quite remarkable. And it actually got picked

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Speaker 4: up and published in Mufon in their May magazine. It

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Speaker 4: my name again is Brett Watcher of the Skies. Thank

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Speaker 4: you well.

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Speaker 3: First of all, Brett, can I say I really hope

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Speaker 3: that you got your nickname from the Incredible Genesis song

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Speaker 3: from the Good Days of Genesis when Peter Gabriel was

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Speaker 3: the front person on the album. Foxtrot is an amazing

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Speaker 3: King Crimson meets like Tool or something. It's not the

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Speaker 3: genesis of Phil Collins fame that many might be familiar with.

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Speaker 3: So if you're into that kind of music, sort of

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Speaker 3: like science fiction y fairy music that sounds like it

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Speaker 3: could be in like a D and D campaign, check

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Speaker 3: out Foxtrot by Genesis.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a lot of fun. But I will

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Speaker 2: take the drummer singer any day of the week.

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Speaker 3: No, he's great, don't get me wrong. Phil's got his thing.

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Speaker 3: But like the Peter Gabriel era, it's weird actually because

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Speaker 3: which I've always found a little suss and that's awesome. Weird,

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Speaker 3: it's interesting, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: I just got memories of being on the beach and

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Speaker 3: That's that's that's the period. That's that's not my favorite.

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Speaker 3: Some good ones in there, there's an incredible video for

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Speaker 3: a song from that era that's like with those weird

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Speaker 3: Check that out. It's a it's a real real relic nice.

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Speaker 2: Also check this out. Brett really did all of these things.

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Speaker 2: He was hanging out on March twenty seventh, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: And he looked up the ships there.

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Speaker 2: In the Strand Theater. That's that's how I know.

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Speaker 2: But he's looking up in the sky. He had his

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Speaker 2: He was just getting really excited, so we wanted to

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Speaker 2: As we looked through the set of about seven pictures,

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Speaker 2: I said, wow, I had captured three different UAPs or

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Speaker 3: I called my brother in law and emailed him the

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Speaker 3: images I'd captured. He is an aeronautical engineer and a

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Speaker 3: report the sighting. He said to report it to Moufon. Now,

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Speaker 3: what's the acronym moufon standforge. I know it's like the

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Speaker 3: pre eminent UFO ufology society.

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Speaker 2: I've always said the mutual UFO network. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if the UFO is actually spelled out in their name,

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Speaker 3: I went to their website and filled out all the

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Speaker 3: The next day of Moufon field investigator emailed me to

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Speaker 3: get more information about my sighting. Over the next few days,

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Speaker 3: he made a thorough investigation of my photos. He also

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Speaker 3: checked with the FAA Dobbins Air Force Base, which is

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Speaker 3: very close to my house, the weather conditions and the

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Speaker 2: Isn't that cool? Isn't that cool? You can go outside,

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Speaker 2: just like Brett Watcher of the Skies did, take some photographs,

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Speaker 2: see something that you don't understand, Send them to this

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Speaker 2: awesome thing called a move on and they will investigate

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Speaker 2: it for you. Oh that makes me so happy. That

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Speaker 2: makes me so so happy. Again. You might be hearing

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Speaker 2: my son in the background. He's hanging out reading the

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Speaker 2: Gravity Falls Journal three book and you're having a good

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Speaker 3: After your in heart. Gravity Falls is like vaguely conspiratorial, right,

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Speaker 2: Sort of It's highly conspiratorial. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen a ton of it, but I hear

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Speaker 3: good things. I know. I mentioned this every time we

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Speaker 3: get someone reporting one of these things. But I years ago,

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Speaker 3: lost to time because I I've looked everywhere through several moves.

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Speaker 3: tapes from those days, which sucks, But who knows. It's

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Speaker 3: kind of thing that could pop up sometime. But I

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Speaker 2: Well, if only you'd sent it into MoveOn NOL.

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Speaker 3: Well, I didn't know about Mouffon at the time. There

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Speaker 2: Well, this is just so cool because Brett did send

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Speaker 2: us the Moufon Journal, where his story is featured on

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Speaker 2: recommend checking out the May twenty twenty three Moufon journal

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Speaker 2: and you can find it for yourself. Marietta is mentioned

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Speaker 2: in the story and you will see a photograph of

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Speaker 2: the moon, a contrail, and some weird lights along that contrail.

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Speaker 3: Can you describe it to us a little bit, Matt,

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Speaker 3: since this is a audio podcast and I have not

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Okay, So we've got kind of in the center

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Speaker 2: You've got a couple contrails that are going diagonally from

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Speaker 2: through several of the photographs, along the lower contrail, there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so hey, shout out to Fred Kohler. Who is

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Speaker 2: the moufon person who did the investigation there. Shout out

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Speaker 2: to Brett, and huge shout out to Brett's daughter, who

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Speaker 2: apparently turned him on to stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 2: to know. And he's been listening now for like five

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Speaker 2: years because of his daughter. So thank you very very much.

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Speaker 3: The kids love stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: We're basically at children's podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. Oh and by the way, I

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Speaker 3: You're such a thorough voicemail Steward. I love it, Matt.

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Speaker 3: People are always so thrilled to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't get to talk to everybody. But you know, hey,

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Speaker 2: keep your phones near you if you did leave us

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Speaker 3: very much enjoyed. Have you seen it yet, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, here we go. Here is Alan.

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Speaker 5: Hi, my name is Alan. I was listening to your

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Speaker 3: All Right, Well, first of all, what kind of envelopes

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Speaker 2: We did well. No, no, as Alan is correct. As

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Speaker 3: I apologize, but well, I mean, even if you use

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Speaker 3: Like you can have plants in shade that are getting

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Speaker 3: You'd have to be very strategic about where you placed it.

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Speaker 3: It does make me think of those reflectors people put

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now to my back of the old Napkin calculations,

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Speaker 3: And couldn't if you reflected it fully? Couldn't that cause

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, isn't the ozone layer essentially a filter,

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Speaker 2: Nice work science or I guess yeah, whatever that thing is.

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Speaker 3: This This is call it that this is. Call it

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Speaker 3: the Goldielocks, the Three Bears in the Sky.

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Speaker 2: That's a great song. If it hasn't been written already,

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Speaker 2: somebody out there write it. All right, Hey, with that,

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Speaker 2: And we've returned just to harken back to Alan's message.

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Speaker 2: As we record, it is ninety four degrees fahrenheit in Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: which is thirty four point four to four degrees celsius.

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Speaker 2: Everyone else out there in Phoenix, Arizona today it's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, balmy in hell, yes, Jeeze Louise. I mean we

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Speaker 3: It's like the opposite of that level of cold you

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's wild. Have you heard the term

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Speaker 3: that's being thrown around lately, Matt global boiling oh as

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Speaker 3: It's it's hot.

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Speaker 2: It's really hot. Strangely enough, in Maui, Hawaii, where there

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Speaker 3: Three to three celsius. The math brain on Matt.

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Speaker 2: Uh yehah, I could do temperatures. Boy, I love that.

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Speaker 3: Are you doing that on the fly or do you

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Speaker 3: have some sort of calculator that.

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Speaker 2: You I wrote it in the dock, dude.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I was impressed, and now I'm still impressed.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Dipper, let's call all right, that's okay, it's

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Speaker 2: Seuss uh Okay, here we go. Next message comes to

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Speaker 2: us from Ranger.

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Speaker 3: Smith out there defending picnic baskets. You know from what

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Speaker 3: was it a large marge no hank the tank that

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the bear just snatching up picknip.

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Speaker 3: Grass smarter than the average.

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Speaker 7: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Ranger Smith has this to say.

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Speaker 7: My name is Rangers Smith.

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Speaker 8: And the episode you guys were talking about banned books.

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Speaker 8: I was I'm kind of surprised that you didn't mention

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Speaker 8: as well. Polculator Bye Red.

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Speaker 3: Band books you know, like those trailers that are.

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Speaker 2: Really oh yeah not adult trailers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah at the Big Red you know warning on the beginning,

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Speaker 3: that's how you know it's going to be good. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: Bound in human flesh like the Necronomicon and the Evil

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Speaker 3: Dead movies? Like are these like grimoires? Like what are

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Speaker 2: Well, it's some real stuff. It's called anthropodermic bibliopagy.

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Speaker 3: Bibliopogy not only take you ten tries off, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sorry about that. I don't know the words.

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Speaker 2: Very strange. It's a real thing. You can look up

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Speaker 2: an Atlantic article titled it was once somewhat common to

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Speaker 3: Where is human skin coming from?

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Speaker 2: That's where I learned about this for the first time.

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Speaker 2: The human skin is just you know, any old human skin. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm just joking.

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Speaker 2: I haven't read much about this. I just wanted to

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Speaker 2: It was a type of bookbinding that occurred, which is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I was thinking about the other day,

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Speaker 2: No, what is this I thought we.

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Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, I had no idea. Thank you for sharing that.

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Speaker 3: No, wow, okay, I only it might be something that

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Speaker 3: we might explore one day, because it really is. Like

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Speaker 3: the Wikipedia article runs deep, my friend, it's a big

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Speaker 3: old It's not a stump or a stub at all.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a big beefy boy.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what also runs deep The Library of

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Speaker 2: Congress's interest in sexuality in the world, at least right

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Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting considering what a prudish country we've historically

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Speaker 3: Where does this interest come from?

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Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what it was. It's it was

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Speaker 2: protecting the public from them. You can read all about

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Speaker 2: the Delta Collection d lta collection that the Library of

436
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Speaker 2: Congress has had, has maintained at least until the sixties,

437
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Speaker 2: and then it kind of changed a little bit. You

438
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Speaker 2: can read all about it. There is a really cool

439
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Speaker 2: project I found online called Delta Collection dot Omika O

440
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Speaker 2: m e ka dot net and you can browse some

441
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Speaker 2: of the items that have historically been kept there as

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Speaker 2: part of the Delta Collection. Very very interesting things. The

443
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Speaker 2: top title here is Whipping Club, an account of some

444
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Speaker 2: of the activities of a number of lovely women who

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Speaker 2: have men in their power.

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Speaker 3: So this is like S and M type stuff, or

447
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Speaker 3: like bondagey type culture.

448
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Speaker 2: Well, you also have things like nudism exposed as told

449
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Speaker 2: by an ex nudist, the author and anonymous doctor.

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Speaker 3: I love all of that's fabulous. The anonymous doctor is

451
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Speaker 3: the cherry on top. But I love the idea of

452
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Speaker 3: being a nudist. It's like, you know, we're all nudists

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Speaker 3: of a certain hour, I imagine. But I saw an

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Speaker 3: article that came out today, I think on Vice that

455
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Speaker 3: was apparently there's this whole hubbub in Spain where like

456
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Speaker 3: nudists who there's these like famous nude beaches in Spain

457
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Speaker 3: are tourists who come with their clothes on to get

458
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Speaker 3: right out of town. Like, if you're not gonna be

459
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Speaker 3: part of our world, then don't come trying to dip

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Speaker 3: your toe in our ocean. Yeah, Matt, speaking of these

461
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Speaker 3: types of collections, I want Sorry, I keep doing pop

462
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Speaker 3: culture stuff, but that's just sort of my thing. I

463
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Speaker 3: have been revisiting and also visiting for the first time

464
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Speaker 3: the films of Park Chan Wook, who as an excellent

465
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Speaker 3: Korean director who did Old Boy, directed the film Old Boy,

466
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Speaker 3: which is a favorite, and you know, did the Vengeance

467
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Speaker 3: trilogy Old what was the third aided sympathy for Mister Vengeance,

468
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Speaker 3: then Lady Vengeance, and then Old Boy. He has a

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Speaker 3: film called The Handmaiden that is it's like he's really

470
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Speaker 3: big into adapting like British kind of period novels and

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Speaker 3: making them Korean and like kind of I don't know,

472
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Speaker 3: folding it into Korean culture. And he does it so seamlessly.

473
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Speaker 3: It's kind of incredible. You'd never know that it was adapted.

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Speaker 3: But it's sort of almost this Oliver Twist type story

475
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Speaker 3: where there's like a Fagan type character like a den

476
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Speaker 3: of thieves that you know, this guy's the leader and

477
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Speaker 3: he has this really elaborate grift and I'm not gonna

478
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Speaker 3: spoil any things. It has more twists than a Pratzel.

479
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Speaker 3: But there is a plot line in it involving erotic

480
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Speaker 3: Japanese books, which is a thing. There's a whole culture

481
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Speaker 3: of like, you know, ancient erotic books with illustrations that

482
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Speaker 3: are very graphic and descriptions that are like, you know,

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Speaker 3: meant to to titillate and arouse, and that's a big

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Speaker 3: part of the film. And I did not realize quite

485
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Speaker 3: how far back and deep that culture goes.

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Speaker 2: See, I had no idea either. I'd love that. I

487
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Speaker 2: love all of that.

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Speaker 3: You should watch The Handmaid and it's excellent and has

489
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Speaker 3: one of the most truly tender and intense same sex

490
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Speaker 3: erotic scenes that I think I've ever seen in a film.

491
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Speaker 3: It's a very very cool, empowering, you know, kind of

492
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Speaker 3: queer positive type message, but also a rollicking adventure with

493
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Speaker 3: daddy's galore and absolutely stunning cinematography.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm just over here getting excited to read sex

495
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Speaker 2: control curious customs of medieval times. Sorry, no good, please.

496
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Speaker 3: It's important to enrich ourselves with this stuff. And you know,

497
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Speaker 3: we think of the past as being inherently like prudish,

498
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Speaker 3: like I was saying about, but that's sort of more

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Speaker 3: of a modern constructor a thing that religions sort of

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Speaker 3: you know, uh created, I guess, you know, taking all

501
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: of these things just kind of went underground. And honestly,

502
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: people in the past were even hornier than we are,

503
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Speaker 3: man and like really you know, figured out interesting ways

504
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Speaker 3: to use the stuff they had to to get get

505
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Speaker 3: get frisky.

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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, let's let's uh, let's break from this one.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that message, Ranger Smith. Let

508
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Speaker 2: us jump over to Frank.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say that this is my favorite nickname

510
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Speaker 3: in the history of nicknames, I think for this show,

511
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Speaker 3: you know what I think?

512
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Speaker 2: I agree?

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Speaker 9: Hey guys, this is the code name Frank Lloyd Wrong.

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Speaker 9: There is a program in the sustainable building world, or

515
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Speaker 9: the effort of making buildings more green and sustainable, called

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Speaker 9: the LEAD Program spelled LED, And while on the surface

517
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Speaker 9: it seems like a very good program to support the

518
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Speaker 9: sustainable architecture and development of buildings, there's a little bit

519
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 9: of a darker side to it. Buildings a lot of

520
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Speaker 9: times can get tax cuts or different reimbursements for following

521
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Speaker 9: LEAD guidelines or getting their building LEAD certified. And these

522
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Speaker 9: certifications are based on things like whether you have a

523
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Speaker 9: green roof or solar panels, or things like electrical vehicle

524
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Speaker 9: parking spots and charging stations. I guess the dark side

525
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Speaker 9: of it is that a lot of buildings will kind

526
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Speaker 9: of cheat the system and get the LEAD certification even

527
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Speaker 9: though they are not any more sustainable than most other buildings.

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Speaker 9: For example, there's a lot of buildings on the Las

529
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Speaker 9: Vegas Strip that are lit up like Christmas trees and

530
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Speaker 9: found to be way less efficient than regular buildings, but

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Speaker 9: by doing little things like having a certain number of

532
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Speaker 9: electrical vehicle spots or just little things here and there,

533
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Speaker 9: they can get that LEAD certification. So kind of interesting

534
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Speaker 9: that some of these guys are cheating the system a

535
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Speaker 9: little bit. And I'm sure you guys have seen it.

536
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Speaker 9: The orb or the ball that they're building in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 9: I think that you guys might have seen pictures of that.

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Speaker 9: Looks kind of creepy and kind of cool at the

539
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Speaker 9: same time. I think will probably be one of these

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Speaker 9: buildings as well. Once again, keep up the great work.

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Speaker 9: Love the show, thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: By is the the orb of the thing that can

543
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Speaker 3: like project crazy stuff like in like a kind of

544
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Speaker 3: a dome thing that you can see from.

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Speaker 10: Like the air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my understanding is that it's a venue inside that thing.

547
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Speaker 2: And then on the exterior of it, Yeah, you can

548
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Speaker 2: turn it into a giant eyeball or a snow globe

549
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Speaker 2: or you know, a promo for a boxing match or

550
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Speaker 2: whatever you need.

551
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Speaker 3: But is it like three dimensional? Is it like actually

552
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Speaker 3: like a hologram? I saw a thing that somebody it

553
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Speaker 3: was It was definitely faked. It was like somebody you know,

554
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Speaker 3: went to town with CGI on it. But it was

555
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Speaker 3: like literally looking like a giant hand or something like.

556
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Speaker 3: It's not done yet, right, like so that these things

557
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Speaker 3: aren't actually being projected. But I'm trying to understand how

558
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Speaker 3: close to the crazy over the top version that this

559
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Speaker 3: person made it will it actually be?

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Speaker 2: Well, Okay, maybe I'm wrong, guys, but I thought it's

561
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Speaker 2: called the Sphere at the Venetian Resort, and my under oh,

562
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Speaker 2: it is a venue. Yeah, here we go five hundred

563
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Speaker 2: and eighty thousand square feet of programmable LED panels.

564
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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's not a hologram. It's just it's constrained

565
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Speaker 3: by the surface area of the thing. But it can

566
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Speaker 3: like yeah, it can be a giant eye, it can

567
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Speaker 3: be you know, but it can't like shoot out crazy

568
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Speaker 3: like blade runner holograms beyond the bounds of this epcot

569
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Speaker 3: kind of thing. But wild and so okay?

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Speaker 10: Are we.

571
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Speaker 3: Are we to say that we are surprised that people

572
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Speaker 3: that make their money from building things as quickly and

573
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Speaker 3: cheaply as possible are trying to save money and doing

574
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Speaker 3: it maybe legally. Well, well it's not illegal, though, it's

575
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Speaker 3: a loopholes. That's you know, it's all about like the

576
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: law is sort of you know, irrelevant here because it's

577
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: so easy to find these loopholes, and it just goes

578
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: to show how inefficient some of the these certifications are

579
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Speaker 3: sort of toothless and meaningless because you can offset it

580
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Speaker 3: in so many other ways.

581
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Speaker 2: Well, this gets so murky, some of this stuff, the

582
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Speaker 2: greenification of different things that have not been quote green

583
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Speaker 2: for a long time, right, changing practices like building practices

584
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Speaker 2: or building vehicles, and how fuel efficient they are, all

585
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Speaker 2: of these things. It does feel like over time we've

586
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Speaker 2: seen cheaters, you know, who try and cheat the whole system,

587
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Speaker 2: like that one car company, the Deutscho one, the Volkswagen

588
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: bod yes yes, yes, where people at Chicha.

589
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Speaker 3: Box it's my Cheeta box attempt to cheat.

590
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Speaker 2: The system to you know, meet minimum requirements in order

591
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Speaker 2: to do things like being able to continue selling their

592
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Speaker 2: product or to get certain tax breaks right so that

593
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Speaker 2: creating and selling your product can be affordable and you

594
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Speaker 2: can make enough of a profit.

595
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Speaker 3: The Volkswagen thing was like totally illegal though, and they were,

596
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Speaker 3: they were, you know, cheating the system in a way

597
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Speaker 3: that was not even like following the loophole rule, Like

598
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Speaker 3: they went above and beyond installing a thing that was

599
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: meant to be a secret. But we just know that

600
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Speaker 3: even with like carbon offsets and like the idea of

601
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Speaker 3: like how do we you know, act like we're being

602
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Speaker 3: good stewards of the environment while being able to continue

603
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Speaker 3: to operate business as usual. You know, that's the kind

604
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Speaker 3: of stuff that I think is most galling because you're

605
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Speaker 3: gonna have folks that are like brazenly breaking the rules,

606
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Speaker 3: but the rules in general are kind of not really

607
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Speaker 3: doing a whole hell of a lot, or there's always

608
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Speaker 3: a way to kind of figure out how to get

609
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Speaker 3: around it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we didn't even see what LEAD is. By

611
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: the way, what it stands for it is all caps

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Speaker 2: L E ED. It's an acronym stands for Leadership in

613
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Speaker 2: Energy and Environmental Design. Yeah, everywhere I've looked it is

614
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Speaker 2: a worldwide program, So it's not just in the US,

615
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Speaker 2: not just any you know, any one town, one city,

616
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Speaker 2: one state, or country. You can get LEAD certified pretty

617
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Speaker 2: much anywhere where you're doing construction or you know, some

618
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Speaker 2: kind of fixing of a building, updating of a building.

619
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Speaker 3: I remember our previous office, they had a thing where

620
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Speaker 3: in order to get certain certifications, they had to kill

621
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Speaker 3: the air conditioning in the whole office space, like after

622
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Speaker 3: like four five o'clock or whatever. It was not on

623
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Speaker 3: at all on the weekends. That was specifically to get

624
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Speaker 3: some kind of tax break or certification, and it sucked

625
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Speaker 3: when we were there. I mean, I'm all about, you know,

626
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Speaker 3: saving energy and all of these things, but little stuff

627
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: like that seems to me to be more saving them

628
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Speaker 3: on their heating, on their cooling bill than it is

629
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Speaker 3: to actually like do any kind of like big picture,

630
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Speaker 3: you know, positive change for the environment. But maybe I'm wrong.

631
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Speaker 2: No, No, it's it's everything, and that is great. It's

632
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: everything like that energy efficiency, water efficiency materials that are

633
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Speaker 2: being used in creating the project, right. I mean, that's

634
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: that's really some of the main things. But I think

635
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Speaker 2: what what Frank Lloyd wrong is pointing to is that

636
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Speaker 2: you can you can kind of mess up your energy

637
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: efficiency and it can be pretty pretty crap. But if

638
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: you put in enough you know, as you said, electric

639
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: charge whatever you know, stations and then.

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Speaker 3: Here don't look at any of this thumb over here

641
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 3: though it's yeah.

642
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Speaker 2: Well, it's like it's this concept of carbon offsetting, right

643
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: where I can generate a ton of pollution as a company,

644
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: but if I pay a bunch of money and offset

645
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 2: my carbon by you know, investing in this other stuff

646
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: or doing these other things, then my carbon gets canceled out.

647
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: Only it doesn't not really, which is kind of weird.

648
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Speaker 3: Even certain municipalities have like regulations in place that at

649
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 3: the end of the day, are kind of just inconvenient

650
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 3: to like homeowners. You know, I had an issue where

651
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Speaker 3: my water was in the wrong name with this house

652
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: that that I bought a year a little over a

653
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: year ago, and my water got cut off and in

654
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: order to get it cut back on. I had to

655
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: have They wouldn't just cut it back on. They had

656
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: to send somebody to inspect my fixtures and like my

657
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: toilet and make sure it was like a low flow toilet.

658
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: When I bought the house, I saw that the toilets

659
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: had the little you know, two for pooh, one for

660
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: for pee or whatever buttons. I just thought that was

661
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: like a cool modern update. But those are like mandated here.

662
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: Oh really at yeah, And like they had to come

663
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 3: check make sure those were installed. And they also like

664
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: they even to pass us. He kind of like did

665
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 3: it on the hush hush, but switched out our shower

666
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: head to one that he had on him so he

667
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: could take a picture of it, and then like gave

668
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: us the shower. I'm not I'm not doxing the guy.

669
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: I'm just saying these little things they don't ultimately amount

670
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: to a hell of a lot except for like more

671
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: red tape and like you know, a pain in the

672
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: butt for like the small guys like me and you.

673
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: With the big companies, they can get around doing it

674
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: in so many ways. You know, it's it's sad.

675
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: I had an uncle in law once tell me the

676
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: secret of removing all the what was it, the the

677
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: water suppression that's going on in your house on all

678
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: your faucets, Like you can take it all off. You

679
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: get as much water in your shower as you want.

680
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: Man for like water pressure, Yeah, to get crazy water

681
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 2: pressure in your shower. Those Uh, there are pairly tricks

682
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: to do that. But I don't want to waste the water.

683
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: Well no, I mean again, water we know, we talk

684
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 3: about this all the time on the show, is probably

685
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: gonna be one of the big bones of contention and

686
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: like a situation leading to some future you know mad

687
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: Max type war. You know, in terms of like who

688
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: controls the water resources. That is something we absolutely need.

689
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: And we see water disputes all the time between you know,

690
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: states that share water supplies and all of that. And

691
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: as we know, you know, if there is it's I mean,

692
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 3: I guess there's the is there more water being made?

693
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: Is there a finite amount of water?

694
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: Oh?

695
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude? Can you can't you synthesize water? H and

696
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: the two and the O is not a thing you

697
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: can do? Or no, I don't know.

698
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude, we're producing water all over this place

699
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: with these desalination plants. No, I'm just joking. It is

700
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: really expensive to do that, apparently, and difficult. So we've

701
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: talked about that before in the past, Like why don't

702
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: we just have desalination plants everywhere? No, it's not as

703
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: easy as that.

704
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: I am being a bit of a dumb dumb and

705
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not joking, Like it's is it all

706
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: from like the water cycle and like you know, rain

707
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 3: and like things like moving through the ecosystem, Like if

708
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: rain stops happening, is water inevitably going to dry up?

709
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 10: Like?

710
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: Is it all just based on the balance of like

711
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: these systems kind of and we're depending on them and

712
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: the temperature and the global conditions being right, and if

713
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 3: something screwed it up, could is it? Is it gonna

714
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 3: go real real wrong? Yeah?

715
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's all one. It's all one connecting system, right,

716
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: And there are ways, there's technology and we've figured out

717
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: ways to I guess get like pull more water from

718
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: the air right through the humidity. If you think about

719
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 2: something like a dehumidifier, how does that work. It pulls

720
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 2: the humidity out of the air well. Yeah, it pulls

721
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: humidity out of the air and it turns it into liquid.

722
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: Water in a reservoir, right, So theoretically you could do that.

723
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: It did say in the instructions from a dehumidifier not

724
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 3: to drink the water that is produced in the little

725
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: trough or whatever. But then it goes back to things

726
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: like graywater. You know, where you can use graywater for

727
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: certain things. You wouldn't want to drink it or bathe

728
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 3: in it, but you can use it to like water

729
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: plants and things like that.

730
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 2: Now, look, I don't know this for sure. I would

731
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 2: speculate that that warning is more about the receptacle where

732
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: the water goes and how it just sits there, because

733
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: theoretically that is distilled water, and it would be some

734
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: of the cleanest water you could have access to right now,

735
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: because it's literally just water pulled directly out of the air.

736
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: If you could find a way to make sure the

737
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 2: receptacle was always clean, then that water would be super drinkable.

738
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: In my head, If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, that is

739
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: what that's my understanding of how dehumidifiers work.

740
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: At the very least, surely there would be a way

741
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: to purify it or to like filter it, or to

742
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: run it through something in a pinch, right like I

743
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: always think of water World where they pee into the

744
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: thing and they drink it. That's not real. But it

745
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: also I recently had some landscaping work done in my

746
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: backyard and I installed what's called a rain garden. It's

747
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: these giant they're called burns, and they're these sort of

748
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: like pits where there's a tree plant in the middle

749
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: of it, but there are these two sort of mulchy

750
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: kind of like pits, and they're not ugly that they

751
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: look nice, but they fill up with water. And there's

752
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: a rain garden registry which I'm a part of, and

753
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: apparently rain gardens put an insane amount of water back

754
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: into the water table. They would normally just go to

755
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: runoff or like go you know, down storm drains and

756
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: stuff and become useless. So that's me doing my part, y'all.

757
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna drink my humidifier water and use my rain garden.

758
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 3: Matt told me it was okay to drink. I heard

759
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 3: what I heard.

760
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: If it's truly distilled and it is clean. Okay, let's

761
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: take another break. We'll come right back with just a

762
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: few more messages from you. Okay, we are back, and

763
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: this is a message we got from Tim, and it

764
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: does come with a warning, sorry to do this, you know,

765
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: towards the end of an episode. But sometimes we get

766
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: suggestions from you that are a little tougher than others.

767
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: This is a really it's it's a messed up story.

768
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: It's horrifying, actually, and it's worth our time because it

769
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: is disturbing. It deserves more attention because a lot of

770
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: people don't know about it, and we're going to talk

771
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: about it. But just a little warning. There's a message

772
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: from Tim that is gonna upset you.

773
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 10: Here we go, Hi, It's Tim. I live in Michigan.

774
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 10: I grew up sailing in the Great Lakes. Jeffrey Epstein

775
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 10: wasn't the first person to run an island of underaged children.

776
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 10: Boss Islands in Michigan. Gentleman named Sheldon from the Detroit

777
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 10: area bought them and turned them into a child porn

778
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 10: video ring. He got busted and got into a bunch

779
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 10: of trouble. It's kind of interesting reading about it. It's

780
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 10: even more interesting when you start looking at pictures of

781
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 10: the island today because they're still sitting there with a

782
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 10: bunch of the buildings on them, built an airstrip, basically

783
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 10: just shuttle kids back and forth to film the having sex.

784
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 10: World's pretty dumb. Anyways, I live in Traverse City. I've

785
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 10: always found this case to be kind of interesting, and

786
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 10: you guys may have covered it at one point, but

787
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 10: pretty du they also tie him to the child murders

788
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 10: of this time, there's four missing children in the Detroit area.

789
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 10: They may have tied it to somebody else officially, but

790
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 10: there was a lot of speculation for a long time.

791
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 10: Made for a good story. Every good night, do anything

792
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 10: I wouldn't do.

793
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I do not know this story at all. Okay,

794
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: it sounds like something out of a girl with the

795
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: Dragon tattoo type, you know, crime fiction situation that is insane.

796
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does sound a lot like that. This is

797
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 2: something nol I know, Ben and I have had conversations about,

798
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: and I want to say we've talked about it briefly

799
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: in the past. But when I was looking through all

800
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: of our records, I couldn't find a specific story like

801
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: a video, you know, a podcast episode. What Tim is

802
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: mentioning here is a place, a physical place called North

803
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: Fox Island that you can find in Michigan, and there's

804
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: also South Fox Island just below it. This was a

805
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: private island for a time, and it was owned by

806
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: the person Tim mentioned, mister Francis Duffield du f F

807
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: I E L D. Sheldon s H E L D

808
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: E N. And there was a documentary that was made

809
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: on what was that investigation discovery I D Discovery, I

810
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: think is what it was called for a while. There

811
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 2: is a I think it's a two part series titled

812
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: Children of the Snow Snow. You can find that it

813
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 2: was produced gosh, I want to say back in twenty nineteen.

814
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: Maybe it might have been even been created in twenty eighteen,

815
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: but it's a it's a pretty extensive accounting of what

816
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: this person was doing on that island, and a breakdown

817
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: of the other child murders there were, as Tim said,

818
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: there were child murders in the same area where this

819
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: child exploitation abuse terror generation machine was functioning, run by

820
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: this person, Sheldon, at least allegedly, I guess you have

821
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: to say allegedly because the guy ended up escaping. This

822
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: is why it's so horrifying and messed up.

823
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I missed this. When is this what era

824
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: is this meant to have taken place?

825
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: This is nineteen seventies. I want to say maybe sixties

826
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: as well. I think it's right around the time of

827
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Missing murdered stuff too. This is really crazy, Okay,

828
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: So let's read from a local newspaper there in Traverse City.

829
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: This is the Traverse City Record Eagle. You can find

830
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: this article right now if you check it out. The

831
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: title is Children of the Snow uses DNA to shed

832
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: light on cold Oakland County case and it was published

833
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: February nineteenth, twenty nineteen.

834
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: All right, I'll read a bit. Sheldon was a land developer,

835
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: oil consultant, market investor, and author who never married. He

836
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: was the sole owner of North Fox Island. The island

837
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: is now owned by the state of Michigan and is

838
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: part of the Beaver Island State Wildlife Research Area. File

839
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: ring included well to do businessmen, politicians, and other rich

840
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 3: and powerful men who would take children to the island

841
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: to have sex with them and make films or distributed

842
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: around the world. As the story goes.

843
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 2: Jesus, Yeah, right, So, according to the Treverse City Record Eagle,

844
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: Sheldon and others were able to attract children through his

845
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: brother Paul's Children's Mission.

846
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: Like in a religious organization hmmm.

847
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: And a supposed nature camp for quote underprivileged children that

848
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: was on the island. Many people, according to the paper here,

849
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: saw Francis Sheldon as a generous benefactor who took youths

850
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: on hunting trips to the island, skiing trips in Aspen,

851
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: and beach parties at his family's estate in the Caribbean.

852
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: This is true Detective Season one man, so they must

853
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: have been aware of the story, like all of the aspects,

854
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 3: the attracting using a benevolent you know, forward facing organization.

855
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it also sound so familiar to me.

856
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: That's why it's like weird to me. Out feels like

857
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: I've talked about this, or at least we wanted to

858
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: talk about it, but maybe used too dark for one

859
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: reason or another at some point, or I don't know,

860
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: but we need to talk about it further because this

861
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: guy also set up trust funds for these kids that

862
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: he abused, for several of them. At least. Let's get

863
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 2: just to the end of this article here to find

864
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: out why we should all be really mad.

865
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: Search warrants and an arrest warrant for criminal sexual conduct

866
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: were issued for Sheldon in nineteen seventy six, but Sheldon

867
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Speaker 3: had already cleared out his Ann Arbor home and his

868
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Speaker 3: cabin on North Fox. Apparently prompted by the arrest of

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Speaker 3: an associate, Gerald S. Richards, on criminal sexual conduct charges.

870
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Speaker 3: Sheldon fled to the Netherlands, which at the time rarely

871
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: extradited those one for crimes in the United States. He

872
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 3: was reported dead in nineteen ninety six, but some think

873
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 3: he may have established a new identity and continues to

874
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: operate as a pedophile. He would be eighty or eighty

875
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Speaker 3: one today. I mean, if there's someone that could arrange

876
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: these types of things, Matt, it's someone like this. I mean,

877
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: let's just go back to the laundry list, land developer,

878
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 3: oil consultant, market investor. I mean that I see what

879
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: you mean about the anger. I mean it's all absolutely

880
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: rage inducing. But the idea that someone could get tipped off,

881
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 3: potentially by the authorities or someone who's part of this

882
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: ring and then just figure out how to disappear and

883
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: set up shop somewhere else, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, according to Tim I talked to Tim by the

885
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: way on the phone, and according to him, and according

886
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: to that documentary that was produced and from you know,

887
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the reporting on this, we're talking about

888
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: very wealthy, powerful individuals that were taking part in this

889
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: thing allegedly. And that means if you've got, you know,

890
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: a ring leader like this person Sheldon, who was rich

891
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: and powerful, and all the people working with him are

892
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: rich and powerful, it means you probably would get tipped

893
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: off and you maybe could fly either privately or secretly

894
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: to the Netherlands and then stay there for twenty years

895
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: and never have to face consequences. And that it's infuriating,

896
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: and it just it makes you want to bring the

897
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 2: batman out right, the batman inside all of us. We're

898
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: just we're not billionaires, unfortunately.

899
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Speaker 3: No, but it's like this level of just ability to

900
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: skirt the law due to power and influence can only

901
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 3: ever be matched by vigilanteism, unfortunately, because the system isn't

902
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: designed to catch these people. Well, you're at a certain

903
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 3: level of influence, You've got people within the system in

904
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 3: your pocket, you know. And I mean, I'm not to

905
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: say that everyone in politics or everyone you know in

906
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: law enforcement is some sort of psychotic pedophile. Certainly not

907
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: the case case. But all you need is one or two,

908
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: you know, people that have your back and can give

909
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 3: you the heads up, and just that happens, it happens.

910
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: All that has happened is there needs to be a

911
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: network of money, right, and we're talking about donations, like

912
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: campaign donations something like that that get started at one

913
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: small level and moves its way up and now everybody's connected,

914
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: and no powerful politician that has nothing to do with

915
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: this wants to be involved with somebody who is involved

916
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: with this stuff through a campaign donation, which means you

917
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: kind of get somebody on a hook if you know,

918
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: let's say you're a powerful person that finds out you

919
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: just got you know, your campaign got supported heavily by

920
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: someone taking part in something like this. Would you want

921
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: anyone to know? Probably not.

922
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: Maybe you would help the money.

923
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, But again that's all that's all alleged, that's all theoretical.

924
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: Everything I just said, it's just you could feel that

925
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: something like that might be true. One last thing I

926
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: want to say about this, NOL there's a huge FBI

927
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: vault entry for this, that's vault dot FBI dot gov.

928
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: Who talks about Francis Sheldon And it's just all kinds

929
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: of intel that they've got on this person. Conversations with

930
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: other people about him, some what appears to be some

931
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: spying that was done on this guy. Just lots of

932
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: information gathering. There's a connection to someone that popped up

933
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: in our research for that ab scam episode, a guy

934
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: named Adam Aristotle Starchild aka Malcolm McConaughey. And this is

935
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: this is very weird, nol. It's a weird connection. And

936
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: it makes me feel like this ring is not just

937
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: isolated there to the Great Lakes, to the Detroit area

938
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Speaker 2: and you know, to Traverse City, Michigan.

939
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I would I would imagine that things of

940
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 3: this Who if you figured out how to make it

941
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: work to this degree, why wouldn't there be people from

942
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 3: international people involved? You know what I mean? Like, it's

943
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: like this is the the you're in the catbird seat.

944
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 3: If you're a freaking pedophile, this is like where you

945
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: want to be, you know, this is like the kind

946
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: of stuff that Epstein was was involved in. This is

947
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: this worse? Is it worse? It's it's I think it's worse.

948
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 3: This is worse.

949
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: This is Look, I don't know, it's hard. It's hard

950
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 2: to say.

951
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 3: It's hard.

952
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: In my mind, it's worse because it's kids it's filmed,

953
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: it's sold. There are other people around, you know the world,

954
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 2: that were watching this stuff, and there were stakeholders basically

955
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: in this ring, this horrifying evil thing. But let's let's

956
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: just let's stay here with this abscam connection because I

957
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: found this fascinating. I stumbled on this through the Wikipedia

958
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 2: entry for Adam Starchild. This guy, uh, Malcolm McConaughey. I'm

959
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: just gonna read directly from this quote. In nineteen seventy seven,

960
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 2: the Traverse City Record Eagle, the one we just read

961
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: from that same local paper, reported that this guy Starchild

962
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 2: was involved in a number of supposed charitable organizations funded

963
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: by a wealthy Michigander, Francis Duffield Sheldon. Here are those things.

964
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: The Church of the New Revelation of Kearnie that's in

965
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: New Jersey, Brother Paul's Children's Mission on North Fox Island,

966
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: that's the one we just mentioned, The Educational Foundation for

967
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 2: Youth of Illinois, and the Ocean Living Institute of New Jersey,

968
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: the last allegedly devoted to underwater habitats, agriculture, ocean architecture,

969
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: and ocean law, which were said to be tax dodges

970
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: and fronts for sexual activity involving boys. So that's in

971
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: New Jersey and in Illinois. In Michigan, it looks as

972
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 2: though it sounds as though, again we're going by a

973
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: Wikipedia article here that's, you know, based off of writing

974
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: from the Traverse City Record Eagle. But it seems as

975
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: though this operation was huge.

976
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: Certainly, does Matt please tell me you got something a

977
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 3: little lighter to wrap this? I mean important. One hundred

978
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: percent of this stuff is absolutely critical to understand that

979
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: this kind of evil exists in the world. But we'd

980
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: love a little palate cleanser after that one. Thank you

981
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: so much to the listener that wrote it.

982
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, no, you're right, Thank you, Tim, You're

983
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right, Nol. We do have a palate cleanser.

984
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: We've got a message here from Zach to end the episode.

985
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 2: We love messages like all of these that we've listened

986
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: to today. Thank you so much to everybody who sent

987
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 2: them in In particular, lately, messages like the one we're

988
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: about to play from Zach have been extremely helpful for

989
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: us to come up with new ideas for like what

990
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 2: what can we cover, what's interesting, what you know, what's

991
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: in your neck? Of the woods. What should we be

992
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: thinking about? So again, Tim as well, we need to

993
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: be talking about this. We're going to talk about it.

994
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: But here's Zach's message.

995
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 9: This is Zach.

996
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 7: I'm originally from Alaska, and I wondered if you guys

997
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 7: had the idea of just how many wild miss legends

998
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 7: and other weird stories there are. There is a local

999
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 7: legend in Anchorage, Alaska of a theater at the university

1000
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 7: called the Wendy Williamson Auditorium that has some wild ghost stories.

1001
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 7: We also have our own lake Monster. We have our

1002
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 7: own triangle where people get lost, disappear, et cetera, and

1003
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 7: quite a few rather unique UFO settings. Native of Alaskans

1004
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 7: also have this legend of tiny men that bring really

1005
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 7: bad luck along with them. I think it would be

1006
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 7: a great episode. I hope you guys do awesome and

1007
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 7: you know, watch your backs.

1008
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 3: They don't watch it now, some regional lore you do.

1009
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's uh, it's just lighthearted enough to you know,

1010
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 2: to be fun. It's a little ghost haunting. We can

1011
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 2: handle that.

1012
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 8: Uh.

1013
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: It makes you want to travel to Alaska, though.

1014
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 3: I spend some time and a super producer Paul Mission

1015
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 3: controlled Deck and spend some time in Alaska for the

1016
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 3: Missing series. Wonder if those fellas heard anything about this stuff.

1017
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 3: I mean they were probably slammed getting podcast audio, But no,

1018
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 3: I've never It makes sense being such a it's an

1019
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 3: unusual place, you know, the way it stays light out

1020
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 3: like all the time. There's certain other worldly qualities about

1021
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 3: Alaska for sure, So and it's not exactly a lot

1022
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 3: going on, so it makes sense that there would be,

1023
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: you know, stories that would develop over time, you know,

1024
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 3: through like the oral tradition.

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00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well I want to go, and Paul, you

1026
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 2: won't have to rent a boat this time. I think

1027
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: that was the biggest headache, at least for my discussions

1028
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: with you and Ben. But uh yeah, we've got to

1029
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: do that. Check out Alaska's lore. We want to we

1030
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: want to do more travel. So if we've got an

1031
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: excuse to go somewhere as a show, we're gonna take it.

1032
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: Why not give us some cool excuses for us to

1033
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: give our bosses or like reasons to travel. It would

1034
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: be awesome. Well's Steah.

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,040
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1036
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,120
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1037
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,680
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1038
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,160
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1039
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,520
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1040
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: Yes, if you want to call us, like everybody in

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1042
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00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,240
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1047
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Speaker 3: And if you leave a couple of pennies under your pillow,

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

1051
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Speaker 2: Yeah, put the number in your phone if you don't

1052
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,400
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1053
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1055
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,960
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1057
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