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Speaker 1: Welcome into Real America's voice. This is Sunday the Road Forward.

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Speaker 1: What a wild weekend American around the world. All eyes

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Speaker 1: locked in on Iran this week as President Trump ordered

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Speaker 1: the bombing of the Iranian nuclear sites, a military mission

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Speaker 1: that was flawless and dealt a massive blow to the

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Speaker 1: Iranian nuclear program, and he also worked a broker a

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Speaker 1: cease fire agreement between Israel and Iran. In addition, the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruled this week that deporting illegal aliens to

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Speaker 1: a third country is acceptable.

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Speaker 2: It's right.

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Speaker 1: This coming on the heels of a growing concern of

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Speaker 1: the fear of terror sleeper cells in our own country,

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Speaker 1: which has turned into a national emergency. And this week

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Speaker 1: we celebrate America, our great country. Happy Birthday America. As

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Speaker 1: always a word of hope and encouragement for you and

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Speaker 1: those you love, especially in these difficult and challenging times.

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Speaker 1: I'm doctor Tim Clinton. I'll be your host. Our special

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Speaker 1: guest joining this week. Joel Rosenberger is a New York

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Speaker 1: Times bestselling author, the founder and editor in chief of

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Speaker 1: All Israel News, host and executive producer of The Rosenberg Report.

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Speaker 1: He's also president of the Joshua Fund. He's the lead

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Speaker 1: pastor of Pathways Church in Mobile, Alabama. Pator Travis Johnson

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Speaker 1: Plant City, Florida. Bishop Calvin colbertis is back with this.

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Speaker 1: He is executive director of the Providence Forum. Doctor Jerry

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Speaker 1: Newcomb is back. Thank you for watching.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Every president since Clinton has talked about stopping Iran's nuclear program,

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Speaker 1: but President Trump actually did it and we didn't lose

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Speaker 1: a single American soldier in the process. Then he successfully

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Speaker 1: brokeered a ceasefire agreement between Israel and Iran, effectively ending

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Speaker 1: the Twelve Day War. Yeah, there's been some bumps and

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Speaker 1: And all this was made possible through this Peace through

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Speaker 1: Strength strategy anchored by President Trump's courage, his strong leadership,

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Speaker 1: and his steadfast perseverance to pursue peace after the US

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Speaker 1: strekes on the Iranian nuclear sites, though there's been growing

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Speaker 1: concern and fear unrest to increase our efforts at keeping

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Speaker 1: America safe here in our bedroom communities, many of the

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Speaker 1: leaders have a real fear of sleeper cells in our country.

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Speaker 1: The doj ICE, the DHS, they're working overtime to find

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Speaker 1: these Iranian nationals who are here illegally in the United States,

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Speaker 1: all because of the Biden Harris open bordered legacy. Two

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Speaker 1: our strength, it comes from the Lord. Here's a great

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Speaker 1: verse to hold on to this week, Romans fifteen, Verse thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Our hope comes from God. May fill you with joy

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Speaker 1: Join us now is Joel Rosenberg. He's a New York

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Speaker 1: Times bestselling author, the founder and editor in chief of

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Speaker 1: All Israel News. He's host and the executive producer of

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Speaker 1: The Rosenberg Report and president of the Joshua Fund.

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Speaker 2: Joel, thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Great to be with you. Tim. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for having me back on the program.

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Speaker 2: Joel.

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Speaker 1: I know you guys just landed state side from Israel.

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Speaker 1: You've been over there in the middle of all this insanity.

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Speaker 1: If you will, Joel, I'm just wondering, how are you

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Speaker 1: and your family?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for asking. Tim.

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Speaker 4: We are doing pretty well considering It's been a twenty

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Speaker 4: two month war between Iran and all of its prophecies

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Speaker 4: against Israel. We've been attacked from every side, fighting on

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Speaker 4: seven fronts, and the last twelve days of what President

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Speaker 4: Trump is calling the twelve day war has been hellish.

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Speaker 4: I mean really, Iranian ballistic missiles are so much more powerful. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Israel shot down most of them that were destroyed, the

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Speaker 4: vast majority of them on the ground in Iran, but

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Speaker 4: the ones that got through tim have done tremendous damage.

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Speaker 4: So Lenn and I and our family have not gotten

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Speaker 4: much sleep. We not only between reporting on what's going on,

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Speaker 4: but also being engaged in humanitarian relief through our ministry,

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Speaker 4: the Joshua Fund to bless Israel and her neighbors with

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Speaker 4: humanitarian relief, strengthening the local church.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's been a NonStop, full on.

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Speaker 4: Engagement for the last twenty two months, and we've just

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Speaker 3: For two months, we weren't sure if we were going.

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Speaker 4: To even be able to leave because the airports are

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Speaker 4: still closed as I talked to you, but we were

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Speaker 4: Dubai to Washington. So we're going to do two months

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Speaker 4: is happening and how can Christians be a blessing, How

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Speaker 2: Joel, I can't even imagine. It's been.

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Speaker 1: What a journey it's been over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: but the last twelve days in particular, you know, for

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Speaker 1: secretive and successful military strikes ever in US history, went

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Speaker 1: in there blew up those nuclear sites there in Iran.

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Speaker 2: Joel. You don't just go in there and do it.

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Speaker 1: People need to understand that they got in the situation room,

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Speaker 1: they took a look at everything that was going on.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about a serious, serious nuclear imminent threat to Israel,

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Speaker 1: to America, to countries around the globe. Seriously, Joel, and

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Speaker 1: can you address some of that in the intensity that

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Look, this was President Trump's finest hour so far,

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Speaker 4: the most decisive military action he's ever made. And you know,

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Speaker 4: Tim that there were a lot of people in the

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Speaker 4: want President Trump to take this decision. In fact that

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Speaker 3: And President Trump made the decision. He into it for Israel.

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Speaker 4: Although Israel benefits enormously from this, President Trump did it

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Speaker 4: I give the President tremendous credit because you know, a

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Speaker 3: Don't do it.

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Speaker 4: Don't don't let the Jews pull you into this, don't

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Speaker 4: I've told everybody, I'm quoting President Trump that I would

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Speaker 4: never let Iran get the bomb. Every president in the

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Speaker 3: I say that as an American.

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Speaker 4: I say that as in the Israeli and I say

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Speaker 4: At every level, President Trump has just eradicated an evil, wicked,

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Speaker 4: genocidal threat off the map. And very few people thought

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Speaker 4: but he did.

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Speaker 3: God bless him.

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Speaker 1: He hammered the Iranian nuclear program. I mean he hammered it.

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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of propaganda out there, Joel,

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Speaker 1: her the piece, the ceasefire piece between Israel and Iran,

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Speaker 1: and there's still some stuff going on, some bumps in

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Speaker 1: You hear what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But Joel, just.

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Speaker 1: Your take and how are the people feeling about now

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Speaker 1: that threat level piece?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, every Israeli first of all, First of all, the

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Speaker 4: Iranian regime has done something that no Israeli leader could do,

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Speaker 4: which was unify the Israeli people. Israelis were very disunified

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Speaker 4: and actually you know, very torn politically pre October seventh,

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Speaker 4: by this decision. I actually just Monday Night was interviewing

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Speaker 4: More than ten thousands Raelis are homeless because their homes

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Speaker 3: At a time of maximum pain and suffering.

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Speaker 1: Joel, I want you to know we're praying for and

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Speaker 1: with you, Joel Rosenberg. What I'd like to have you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Great to be with you, Tim bless you.

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Speaker 1: Johnny me Now is Travis Johnson. He's lead pastor of

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Speaker 6: It's great to be with you. Doctor Tam always good

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Speaker 1: Traviser Get started what a while week in America around

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Speaker 1: the globe, all eyes this week went to Iran. You know,

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Speaker 6: The execution was amazing. And I'm also reminded why I'm

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Speaker 1: Hey, Travis, when you think about it, everybody thought impulsive,

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Speaker 6: No doubt. I mean, there's very clear, you know, issues there.

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Speaker 6: I just think personally about the president. Three confirmed assassination

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Speaker 2: It was a work of art, Travis.

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Speaker 1: You know, as a pastor, you have probably spent a

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Speaker 1: how do you encourage your your church, your community down there,

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Speaker 6: You know, of course we pray for the gospel to advance.

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Speaker 1: Travis, this is Fourth of July week. A lot of

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Speaker 1: think that's the backbone that made this strong, and that's

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Speaker 1: why we have the freedoms that we do have. Talk

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Speaker 1: to us, bring us home here, Travis, as we look

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Speaker 1: toward this coming Independence Day.

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Speaker 6: When Jesus stood up in the synagogue and he unrolled

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Speaker 6: the scroll of Life Isaiah and announced his ministry. Quoting Isaiah,

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Speaker 6: he said that he came to set at liberty those

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Speaker 6: who are captive. You know he've read the rest of

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Speaker 6: that prophecy scrolled up the scroll, said today this is fulfilled.

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Speaker 6: How in the world would we want not want to

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Speaker 6: celebrate the captive being released, and why would we not

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Speaker 6: want to celebrate liberty and freedom. I'm so thankful for

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Speaker 6: America and the freedom that we have, you know, nlike

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Speaker 6: China andlike you know, other repressive regimes. We don't have

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Speaker 6: to gather up in corners secretly to worship Jesus. But

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Speaker 6: we can celebrate Jesus. We can celebrate our faith in

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Speaker 6: the Lord with freely, without repercussion, and we ought to

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Speaker 6: do that. Now. I will close with this that the

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Speaker 6: worst kind of censorship in America is not the state

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Speaker 6: censoring free speech or freedom religion. It's frightened people of faith,

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Speaker 6: cowardly passive people of faith whose self censor because they're

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Speaker 6: afraid they're going to offend someone. And you know what,

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Speaker 6: God has done so much for us, we ought to

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Speaker 6: give him thanks freely. One of the best ways that

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Speaker 6: we can celebrate our freedom is to freely express the

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Speaker 6: goodness of the Lord.

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Speaker 1: Amen and Amen, Travis. You got a new book coming

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Speaker 6: There you go. We follow Peter's story, and I've got

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Speaker 6: some good stuff in here that goes beyond that arc.

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Speaker 6: But we follow Peter's story going into Caiaphas House as

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Speaker 6: Jesus is on trial. The Bible says they're in the

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Speaker 6: Book of Acts, in the Book of Matthew that Peter

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Speaker 6: followed Jesus from a distance, and then he sat down

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Speaker 6: to watch and see what would happen. There are a

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Speaker 6: lot of churches and Christians that live their life like that,

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Speaker 1: Johnysnow is Bishop Calvin Colbert. She currently serves as lead

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Speaker 1: pastor of New Life Church International and City, Florida. He's

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Speaker 1: a member of the National Faith Advisory Board. A strong

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Speaker 1: voice for righteousness and culture. Bishop, welcome back. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining me.

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Speaker 8: Thank you Doctor Clinton for having me.

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Speaker 2: Bishop. You and I've had some conversation. We're talking a

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Speaker 2: lot about how America is back. Faith is back. I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what.

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Speaker 1: It's been pretty amazing over the last six seven months,

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Speaker 1: and Bishop is encouraging we Here we are fourth of

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Speaker 1: July week, celebrating America. We'll not perfect, but Bishop, still

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Speaker 1: the greatest country on the planet. Your thoughts on it

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Speaker 1: and just where we're at as we move into the

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Speaker 1: fourth of July.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I think the last few weeks have been great

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Speaker 8: and productive. I am proud to be an American in

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Speaker 8: a land where I am free, and most of all,

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Speaker 8: I'm proud to be an American, to be a part

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Speaker 8: does what they say.

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Speaker 1: You know, Bishop, you go back and reflect on our

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Speaker 1: founding fathers and what courage it must have taken for

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Speaker 1: and they're pressed for religious liberty and more. And what

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Speaker 1: it took seriously to fight gallantly, you know that, and

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Speaker 1: then to depend together some of the most unbelievable documents

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Speaker 1: But Bishop, just you your thought and what it takes

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Speaker 1: to have a nation like this where you need bold,

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Speaker 8: I think when I look back at our founding fathers,

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Speaker 8: I'm appreciative of their tenacity, their courage and boldness. And

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Speaker 8: I think that some ungrateful Americans would take a trip

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Speaker 8: to some third world countries where they don't have the

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Speaker 8: liberties that we have and they have to hide to

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Speaker 8: serve God and other things, they would appreciate the Constitution

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Speaker 8: and the liberties and the courageous leaders of past and

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Speaker 8: the present leaders now that are still fighting for those

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Speaker 8: religious freedoms and beyond.

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Speaker 2: Bishop.

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Speaker 1: Over the last couple of weeks, it's been quite a ride.

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Speaker 1: All eyes switched to the Middle East Iran when President

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Speaker 1: Trump made that bold, courageous, secretive by the way and

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Speaker 1: highly successful military operation where he went in and embalmed

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Speaker 1: those nuke sites there in Iran, and what an amazing

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Speaker 1: piece of art, if you will, of work by our military,

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Speaker 1: which I think, Hey, that's a big statement. America is

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Speaker 1: back on military strength. That was a big time statement.

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Speaker 1: But you know, having the courage to do that takes

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Speaker 1: a lot of stamina, you know that and more. And

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Speaker 1: you think about everything we've been through, Bishop, over the

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Speaker 1: it's just hard to believe, thank God, that we're in

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Speaker 1: the place we're in right now. And hey, I know

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Speaker 1: he also is brokering that cease fire between Israel and Iran,

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Speaker 1: and I know it's a little bumpy here and there whatever,

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Speaker 1: that's all part of it, Bishop, But nevertheless, we're praying

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Speaker 1: that God does something really supernatural here and brings some

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Speaker 1: peace to the world. By the way, peace through strength.

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Speaker 8: President is showing exactly what he's echoing, peace by strength.

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Speaker 8: Because so many world leaders, our former presidents, have talked

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Speaker 8: about taking care of the nuclear weapons that Iran has had.

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Speaker 8: But President Trump has taken the courage to do something

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Speaker 8: about it, and he did it with wisdom, not telling

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Speaker 8: anyone what his moves are going to be making the

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Speaker 8: moves that he needs to make taking it out, but

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Speaker 8: then after it being in the middle of a peace

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Speaker 8: treaty between Iran and Israel, here he's negotiating it and

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Speaker 8: while it has some bumps in the road, we're on

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Speaker 8: I believe, as always say, Israel is the time clock

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Speaker 8: for the Word, and it's the time clock for the world.

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Speaker 8: What happens there happens in the world. And we can

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Speaker 8: see things like that happen there, we can create these

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Speaker 8: same peace treaties and justices all over the world. So

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Speaker 8: I commend our leader for this, and I believe that

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Speaker 8: we can take an example from this to the way

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Speaker 8: to bring up peace is by using the strength and

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Speaker 8: the courage that God.

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Speaker 2: Has given Bishop.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine what it was like in the situation

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Speaker 1: room when they're in there looking at all the evidence, etc.

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Speaker 2: And they had to make this decision.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they had knowledge that said, hey, this is a

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Speaker 1: real imminent threat not only to Israel, but to America,

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Speaker 1: the nations all over the world, and so we've got

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Speaker 1: to go in there and do something. These boys have

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Speaker 1: got something going on down underneath that ground. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that needs to be dealt with. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna put some bombbusters in there and see what we

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Speaker 2: Bishop.

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Speaker 1: That reminds me too that there's a lot growing fear

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Speaker 1: and concerned about what's happening here on American soil. You

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Speaker 1: go back to the open borders, that mess. We had

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Speaker 1: all these people coming through unvetted. You've got what some

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Speaker 1: two million godaways, etc. We know they're terrorists all over

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Speaker 1: our country. They're going after these Iranian nationals who who

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Speaker 1: are here illegally right now. You saw this week how

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Speaker 1: many people were arrested, being detained and getting them out

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Speaker 1: of the country. But Bishop, people are concerned and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of fear. There's a lot of worry there.

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Speaker 1: A lot of hey, people are worried that something bad's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. You're see on the news a lot

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Speaker 1: people are saying it's not if, it's when, this is

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Speaker 1: when something's going to happen. Your take on all that,

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Speaker 1: especially as you are a shepherd over your own flock,

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Speaker 1: what are you saying?

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Speaker 8: Well, what I've told my flock is, of course, fear

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Speaker 8: is common to the human when you can't control the

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Speaker 8: calamities that are going on around you. But America has

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Speaker 8: had enemies since America's existence, and the enemies have tried

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Speaker 8: to trip us up on many occasions, and on some

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Speaker 8: occasions it would appear that they've accomplished the one thing

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Speaker 8: I know about America. We're strong, we're brave, and there's

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Speaker 8: no one bigger and badder than us. But more than that,

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Speaker 8: we are the land that's say in God we trust.

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Speaker 8: And I believe that if we keep our trust in

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Speaker 8: God and continue to be watchful as well as praying,

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Speaker 8: and continue to be strategic and support our leader as

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Speaker 8: he is trying to remove people out of this country

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Speaker 8: that should not be here, that are reaping habit us

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Speaker 8: that in the midst of that fear, instead of having fear,

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Speaker 8: will exercise our faith, and our faith will cause us

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Speaker 8: a stand strong in prayer, stand strong in action, and

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Speaker 8: knowing that truth and grace and the power of God

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Speaker 8: will prevail.

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Speaker 1: As sure, I want to close this way. Scripture often says,

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Speaker 1: not to be afraid. It's in God we trust. Bishop,

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Speaker 1: Just what would you say to your kids? What do

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Speaker 1: you say to all of us? What's in your heart

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Speaker 1: about hey? Even the moment of potential threat, etc. We

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Speaker 1: don't need to fear, we need to anchor ourselves. Be vigilant, Hey,

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Speaker 1: keep a watchful eye, you know, be smart, be intelligent,

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Speaker 1: but don't get lost and overwhelmed by fear.

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Speaker 2: Closing word.

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Speaker 8: Closing word is Psalms twenty seven. The Lord is my

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Speaker 8: Light and my salvation. Whom shall I fear? Whom shall

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Speaker 8: I be afraid? Jesus is the light of the world,

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Speaker 8: And in the midst of a dark in moral and

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Speaker 8: chaotic society, that light shines through each and every one

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Speaker 8: of us. And I know that we will have moments

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Speaker 8: of timidity, moments of fear, but allow your faith to

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Speaker 8: override the fear by standing on the word of God

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Speaker 1: I would say that's a pretty good word. Bishop Calvin

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Speaker 1: Colberts wanted to like to have you. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: Joins now is doctor Jerry Newcomb. Doctor Newcomb currently serves

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Speaker 2: He's author of several books.

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Speaker 1: His columns have appeared weekly in town Hall, Christian Post News,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Thank you for joining me. Thank you, Tim.

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Speaker 1: It's a great week, doctor Newcomb. This week we're celebrating

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Speaker 1: the fourth of July. But man, oh man, what a

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Speaker 1: wild couple of weeks we've had. All eyes went to

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Speaker 1: the Middle East Iran. President Trump launched one of the

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Speaker 1: most secretive and successful military strikes in history, taking out

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Speaker 1: those nuclear bomb sites there and Iran. Jerry, just some

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Speaker 1: thoughts on bold, courageous leadership. I'm telling you, it's what

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Speaker 1: we need. The church, too, by the way, has largely

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Speaker 1: been silent, shame stigmatized. But there's a time there's a

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Speaker 9: Yeah, my wife said the morning after the strike, she said, wow,

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Speaker 9: interesting too, how the people who founded America were bold,

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Speaker 9: what are we really celebrating. Well, that's when the Declaration

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Speaker 9: And basically what they did in that document they declared

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Speaker 1: Jerry, as you've kind of gone through the documents and

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Speaker 1: really looked at how our faith plays into all of that.

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Speaker 1: God's done some stuff in your heart, and I can't

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Speaker 1: you see what's happening and you hear testament of people

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Speaker 1: it makes sense because people don't want us to hold

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Speaker 2: And so then.

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Speaker 1: People begin to get fearful, Jerry. And maybe they don't

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Speaker 1: know a lot about the founding documents and how significant

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Speaker 1: and they're thinking, what is happening to us? And we're

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Speaker 1: losing the very things that keep us anchored rooted. It's

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Speaker 1: like having God's word the Bible when it comes to

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Speaker 1: a matter of our faith. These things are written that

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Speaker 1: you may know that you have life. You know that,

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Speaker 1: and Jerry, we've got to keep ourselves rooted there. This

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Speaker 1: is significant, yes, absolutely. In fact, Karl Marx once said

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Speaker 1: that something to this effect. If you take people away

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Speaker 1: from their roots and their history, then you can make them,

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Speaker 1: you know, accept whatever you want them to accept. Patrick Henry,

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Speaker 1: great founding father, said it is one of people for

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Speaker 1: get God that rulers forge their chains. So, in other words,

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Speaker 1: are tyrants really, he said, tyrants forge their change. Bottom

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Speaker 1: line is, we have our liberties because of God. The

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Speaker 1: by the way, when John F. Kennedy was inaugurated in

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Speaker 1: January nineteen sixty one, that's not too long ago. It's

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Speaker 1: still within the lifetime of many many of our hearers,

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Speaker 1: including you and me and so forth. Bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: he said that our forebears believed that the rights of

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Speaker 2: Jerry.

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Speaker 1: When people say our rights don't come from government, they

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Speaker 1: come from God, there's a real connecting point here. You

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Speaker 1: just give us a little bit of some of the

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Speaker 1: work you've done, especially related to say the fourth of July,

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Speaker 1: our Constitution, Bill of Rights and more that you think

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Speaker 1: people would find very valuable. Maybe one teacher, kids sharing

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Speaker 2: So what have you?

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Speaker 9: Yes, Providenceforum dot org when that's a division by the

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Speaker 9: way of Choral Ridge Ministries. But there's a series of

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Speaker 9: films that I made for Providence Forum and it's called

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Speaker 9: the Foundation of American Liberty Series, and this is these

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Speaker 9: are hour long documentaries and they include comments from Dennis

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Speaker 9: Prager and Peter Lilbeck who founded Providence for him and

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Speaker 9: gave it to Coral Ridge Ministries, my good friend Bill Federer,

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Speaker 9: also Alveda King, and Ozgennis and Eric Matexas and so forth.

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Speaker 9: But basically what this does, this whole series, including and

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Speaker 9: Doubt by their Creator and the Road to Independence, both

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Speaker 9: of those really fit with the whole Fourth of July theme.

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Speaker 9: They show that it was Christianity in particular that played

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Speaker 9: and I like it because what they do is they

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Speaker 9: basically give you online the key documents in our history,

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Speaker 9: our American history. Now, they don't just begin in say

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Speaker 9: sixteen oh six with.

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Speaker 2: The first charter of.

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Speaker 9: Jamestown and so forth, the Virginia Colony which became Jamestown.

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Speaker 9: They don't begin with that. They go much earlier, even

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Speaker 9: including the Maga Carter, et cetera. But all the key

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Speaker 9: documents in American hiss st can be found right there.

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Speaker 9: And at Providenceforum dot org we are constantly putting out

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Speaker 9: line is that it was Christianity that played a key

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Speaker 9: And take this example from key founding father John Adams.

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Speaker 9: He said, our constitution was made only for a moral

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Speaker 9: and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government

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Speaker 9: of any other. And so tim what we see with

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Speaker 9: this intense secutarism of today trying to cut us off

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Speaker 9: fact os Ginnis explains this in one of the documentaries.

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Speaker 9: He explained, you can think of it like the recycled triangle.

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Speaker 9: The founders expected that we would have liberty, and that

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Speaker 9: liberty would be based on voluntary faith, and that this

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Speaker 9: But if you take away the virtue, you know, then

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Speaker 9: get back to our Judeo Christian heritage. A lot of

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Speaker 9: documentary called The Road to Independence. A lot in there

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Speaker 9: it was not necessarily orthodox in his professed quasi Christianity,

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Speaker 9: but even Ben Franklin said, Wow, it was amazing to

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Speaker 9: a beautiful thing. And so we have to get back

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Providenceforum dot org. Providenceforum dot org is where you're going

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Speaker 1: to get that kind of information. Doctor Jerry Nucomb. Always

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Speaker 1: great to have you, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: For joining me, Thank you and happy for hi everyone.

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Speaker 1: And if you are someone you love struggling, I want

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Speaker 1: If you don't have a personal relationship with God in Christ,

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Speaker 1: asking God to come into your life right there where

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