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Speaker 2: Look coming out, fred I didn't. I didn't notice you.

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Speaker 2: I asked Todd Downing. This left you know. I had

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Speaker 1: Where were you watching the game, Brian, I'm at home

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Speaker 1: just by yourself.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean pretty much.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, whether you or not game though,

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Speaker 1: people coming in and out probably have been questioned for you. Yeah, Martin,

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Speaker 1: there's something growing, there's something. Maybe it was garbage.

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Speaker 2: The Browns are not pretty good.

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Speaker 1: They have defense is number one in the league.

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Speaker 2: The defense is good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they're good. So they have two and five they

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Speaker 1: have they have a superpower that can give you trouble.

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Speaker 4: If they get to seventeen points, I'd be shocked.

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Speaker 1: You and Bars live pants off? Pants on?

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Speaker 4: I hope the pants stay on.

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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here at Jillette Stadium, and today,

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Speaker 1: of course, is our turn the page day. We're going

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Speaker 1: to turn the page to the number one defense in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, Cleveland Browns with Miles Garrett based off of

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Speaker 1: talk about. And then of course I'll have we'll have

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Speaker 1: our Wednesday live press conference with Mike Rabel around twelve

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Speaker 2: I believe can confirm pants on, they were off. He

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Speaker 2: just finished Catch twenty two. We do have the desk,

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Speaker 2: Fred said, no one would know because you're behind the desks.

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Speaker 5: After Catch twenty two. Sometimes I do feel like I

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Speaker 5: you just get really into weeds and you're just like,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's it's it's tiring, cold shower, hot show.

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Speaker 4: I just do cold showers.

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Speaker 1: But I like, because you know, I come into the

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Speaker 1: studio before they're done with Catch twenty two. So I

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Speaker 1: catch the end of it, and you know, so the

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Speaker 1: show's over. Evan's out ready to go, and Barth is

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Speaker 1: let's go like that. It's just like two because.

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Speaker 5: He's got he's got to pick up all of his craft.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, you know, he takes out the computer

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Speaker 5: and then he takes out the charger and he has

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Speaker 5: this whole thing. I'm like, why do you need the charger?

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Speaker 5: Like it's two hours?

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Speaker 6: It's not.

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Speaker 4: It's not a ten hour show.

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Speaker 5: Is the computer really going to die in the two

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Speaker 1: It's a lot alone. He's got his ways of doing things.

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Speaker 1: It does. I just I just hope if the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: that that station is, you know, does the right thing.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be sleeping on the floor in my

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Speaker 1: You know, I think we content wise could have some

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Speaker 1: fun with him down there. Yeah, you send you out

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Speaker 4: On the streets, you could you could quiz.

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Speaker 4: But people, yeah, it's not it's not good.

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Speaker 1: It would be good.

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Speaker 4: I did that to just once and it was bad. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, anyway, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me,

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Speaker 1: it's Deuce, it's Alex and the Booth. And we are

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. How how do we score points against

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Speaker 7: Just keep playing the way Drake Mason playing. It's hard

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Speaker 7: But I'm excited for this matchup. It's like I said,

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Speaker 7: They've got a number of pass rushers that they're going

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Speaker 1: So you're doing your matchups, you know, quarterback blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: They swapped Newsome for our short passing game versus their

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Speaker 1: Okay, our running game versus their defensive run stop browns

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Speaker 4: Offense, the most important one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are created equal quarterback. We gave the edge to

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Speaker 1: That's right, and we also haven't mentioned the quarterback yet.

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Speaker 1: I said our receivers versus their quarnerback.

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Speaker 2: And we all gave the edge to the Patriots. That's right,

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Speaker 1: But but you gave them the short passing game.

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Speaker 2: The short passing game, yes, and that's no, I have

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Speaker 7: I think what stands out to me is this Browns

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Speaker 1: So we're not going to be able to run. We're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're exaggerating a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You're giving them the edge.

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Speaker 4: Gauge the number one defense by yards.

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Speaker 1: They're number one. Yeah, right, there we go.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not telling you this is not a good defense.

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Speaker 2: This is a good defense, but even good defenses can

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Speaker 2: what generally happens to the Browns defense. They're on the

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Speaker 1: What about time a possession?

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Speaker 1: Hold on, yeah, I would.

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Speaker 7: I would just say, I think, don't turn the ball over,

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Speaker 5: So the only way they lose, the only way they lose

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Speaker 5: They really only had two scoring drives last week. They

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Speaker 1: That's their scoring drives.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they scored twenty one of their thirty one points

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Speaker 4: So they really had two drive.

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Speaker 4: They're in the game last week.

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Speaker 1: Schwartz is their defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 7: He is He's good defense, super aggressive.

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Speaker 2: He's very He's a good defensive coordinator. But Josh Uh

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Speaker 2: Josh was here in the Super Bowl and against the Eagles, right,

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Speaker 2: Josh was the offensive coordinator and they had like seventeen

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Speaker 4: Was that still Jim Schwartz?

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Speaker 2: I think I think that was a Jim Schwartz defense.

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong on that?

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Speaker 2: Mike comes back and goes well, actually, Paul, that was

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Speaker 5: I think that there's certain vulnerabilities in the Browns defense

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Speaker 1: Does that limit you on offense? You know, because you're

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Speaker 7: If you're preventing him from blowing your game plan up.

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Speaker 7: You know, I think, I mean, I think it's worth

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Speaker 2: Covering more than that, because I want to see the

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Speaker 2: Thirty forty seven to twenty nine thirteen. I just think

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Speaker 2: I mean sixteen seventeen thirteen, ten seventeen nine, that's the

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Speaker 5: have been here how many years and we still can't score. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't get to pass rush with the lead,

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Speaker 7: It's Harold Fannin's a rookie that they're playing at tight

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a young offense.

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Speaker 7: I don't think Dylan Gabriel has the arm and talent

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Speaker 7: and like I said, he hasn't made mistakes. He hasn't

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Speaker 7: So going back to like our Patriot days of those

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Speaker 7: when your offense is struggling, that's what you got to

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Speaker 2: It's both though, like I mean the quarterback issues that

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Speaker 2: I think Judkins looks like a good, good rookie running back,

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Speaker 2: and I'd be curious to see what Isaiah Bond looks like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, but that's I liked him.

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Speaker 2: Coming out of reach to me is pedestrian at best,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's streaky though, Like he can have those games

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Speaker 5: But I think it's the quarterback is the main thing.

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Speaker 5: I think it's all of it. But Gabriel is really

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Speaker 5: It's like thirty three thirty five percent completion rate on

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Speaker 4: He really struggles in that area.

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Speaker 5: If you make him push it down the field, if

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Speaker 2: I'm not just saying it because he's lefty, but it

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Speaker 1: I don't think slippery.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is a rookie just starting. Like I'm

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Speaker 2: just saying the style. I think he throws a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the spread currently?

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Speaker 7: He had some off the Fiel issues in the draft

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Speaker 7: those kind of things. Do you want to avoid those

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Speaker 7: the complexion of the game change. We saw it last

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Speaker 7: be here to see Drake May. I think that they

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Speaker 7: Start fast on both sides of the ball, be really

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I would really try to push the ball down the

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Speaker 5: one of those bombs to you know, Booty or Douglas

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Speaker 1: If you u when the toss, you defer, get their

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Speaker 7: And just let the let the crazy fans who are

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Speaker 7: a lot of noise, make it tough on them right

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Speaker 7: out of the gate, try to get that immediate advantage

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Speaker 7: by forcing a punt. I think it'd be a great way,

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Speaker 7: great way to start. I just the Patrios to re

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Speaker 7: establish that every game, yes, every game weather.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a little chilly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, by the way, is Patriots by seven, but

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Speaker 7: This is a good game to continue that, you know,

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Speaker 7: You know, sorry, I was getting on a fund for

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Speaker 7: riffing there, No, no, just you know this is you

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Speaker 7: know they've been great on the road, but that's you

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Speaker 7: got to beat teams like this at home. Like this

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Speaker 7: has to be the no brainer games where this is

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Speaker 7: an overmatched team, you're streaking, you're playing well, don't regress

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Speaker 7: at home. Establish this place as a play place that's

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Speaker 5: I think this game and I again, I said this

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Speaker 5: against the Browns defense? This is not like the Browns

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Speaker 5: like this Brown's offense is not going to win this

439
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Speaker 5: game like they they don't have it horses to do it. Like, yeah,

440
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 5: Judkins can like break like a forty five yard run

441
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 5: like he did last week, but if you don't turn

442
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 5: the ball over five times, like that's all that they had.

443
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 4: Like you know, in the entire game, who's.

444
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Speaker 1: Got the better offense? The Titans or the Browns.

445
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 2: The thirtieth and I think they're thirty first and thirty second.

446
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Speaker 2: I think in all sincerity, right, that's how bad they are.

447
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I'd probably take the Browns just because

448
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 7: of Judy and then Djoku.

449
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Speaker 2: I take the Titans because I think cam Wood's better

450
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 2: than doing it.

451
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I might be with Paul because of

452
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Speaker 4: cam Warden.

453
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Speaker 1: That's fair. Okay, what about the special teams matchup? I

454
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Speaker 1: hear the Browns is horrid.

455
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Speaker 4: Yes, they're they're bad on special teams.

456
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Speaker 1: I think, yep.

457
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Speaker 5: I think that that's another area like it just there's

458
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Speaker 5: just not a lot of areas in this matchup.

459
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Speaker 4: That favor Cleveland. There really isn't.

460
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Speaker 2: Friend Buba not getting the job done.

461
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Speaker 1: Freddie Well, I guess not giving it the personnel.

462
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Speaker 2: I would have no idea.

463
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Speaker 1: I leave that to you.

464
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Speaker 5: Yes, if there was like an angle, it might be

465
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Speaker 5: a little bit like more interesting. But like I I'm

466
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Speaker 5: sure Rabel also has a ton of institutional knowledge of

467
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Speaker 5: this Browns team. And you know, he's a very like

468
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 5: observant person, so I'm sure the fact that he was

469
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Speaker 5: in their building for an entire year last.

470
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Speaker 7: Year is especially their offensive line.

471
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's going to be worth watching, you know

472
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Speaker 5: how much they they're kind of on it, and you

473
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Speaker 5: know we've talked a lot about their defensive struggles early,

474
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Speaker 5: Like does that help that he kind of knows this

475
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Speaker 5: Brown's offense inside and a good point and maybe they

476
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Speaker 5: can start a little faster on defense.

477
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Speaker 7: And when Stefansk you're going to scheme up on offense,

478
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Speaker 7: and are they you know, starting to anticipate and be

479
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Speaker 7: ready for those kind of things.

480
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Speaker 1: So going back to the special teams, I was thinking

481
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Speaker 1: on one of my drives up here, when I have

482
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Speaker 1: a lot of time to think aside from the actual

483
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Speaker 1: punter or kicker, if you if you have a bad

484
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Speaker 1: special teams unit on coverage, whether it's cut kicks or punts,

485
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Speaker 1: it's coaching. Yeah, because all these athletes that are on

486
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Speaker 1: these special teams you and it's they're about the same,

487
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're all the guys that they're they're all

488
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Speaker 1: decent athletes that came out of college, and it's how

489
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Speaker 1: you coach them. It's how well they play and motivate them.

490
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Speaker 1: It's how well they play on coverage units. And if

491
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Speaker 1: you're bottomly, it's coaching. To me, it's not roster I agree.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's not a place where there's a lot

493
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Speaker 7: of talent. I mean maybe you could say Matthew Slater

494
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Speaker 7: is a kind of player.

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get those outliers, little extra talent.

496
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Speaker 7: I mean, but I mean really it's you know, this

497
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Speaker 7: guy didn't stay in his lane and that's why they

498
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Speaker 7: but you know, he just wasn't fast enough. Like it's

499
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Speaker 7: it's really more of a team situation, I guess. But

500
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Speaker 7: would you say, what would you say about the punters

501
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Speaker 7: and the kickers, like how much how reflective.

502
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Speaker 1: Is so now now you get into an individual athlete.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that has anything to do with coaching, right,

504
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 2: I never blame the special teams coach when a kicker

505
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Speaker 2: misses a field qual Yeah.

506
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Speaker 1: Right, unless it's just operational time after time, then you're

507
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: not coaching. They're not you know, I don't know the

508
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: reps aren't there or whatever. But if it's operationally bad

509
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: then and.

510
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Speaker 7: Yeah, what about punter though, Like would you put any

511
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 7: coaching on that?

512
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: No, like, because the.

513
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 7: Actual punting, it's that we needed that one out of

514
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 7: bounds or we needed this, you know, like there is

515
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 7: some like direction we need this yet, But I blame

516
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 7: but I.

517
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 2: Blame the punter for not punting it where we're supposed

518
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 2: to be.

519
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: He'll do it.

520
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: Assuming the coach told him what to do, right, and

521
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: I do. I go into it like you know when

522
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: they when it's fourth down, I assume that the coaches say,

523
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: we need to get the first down here, right, and

524
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: like that to me is the same, Like I'm being

525
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: dead serious. I know the specialists, I'm with Fred, but.

526
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: The punter can't say, well, you're not putting me in

527
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: a position to succeed. I'm sorry, I'm asking you to like, you.

528
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: Know, like when you're when you're lining up for a

529
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 2: plus fifty punts and you hit it into the stands.

530
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: I don't think it's because the coach didn't tell you.

531
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Speaker 2: You know, we were trying to pin him inside the tent,

532
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: right right, So when Marcus Jones returns one eighty eight

533
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: yards and then the next time you kick it right

534
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: down the middle of the field, right to Marcus Jones,

535
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 2: I have a hard time blaming the coach for that.

536
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 6: Now.

537
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: One thing I will say about special team stats is

538
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Speaker 1: when you look at the separation of like tenth to fifteenth,

539
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: it's it's sometimes it's not very large. You know, somebody

540
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: has to be the worst and somebody has to be

541
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: the best based on stats. But sometimes those stats, even

542
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: then could be deceiving. You know.

543
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting. You know, this is we're on

544
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 4: the subject the.

545
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: Room, all right, the kick return.

546
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: Now he's driving home school.

547
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: Oh man, I should have stayed.

548
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 5: Well, he's he's waiting for rips that the kickoff return.

549
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 4: Has kind of been a dud. It's kind of been

550
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 4: a dud.

551
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 5: Like it's it's working in the sense that there are

552
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 5: definitely more returns. Uh, the returns are up across the board,

553
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 5: but the return average and the amount of big returns

554
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Speaker 5: that they're getting. There's only been one kickoff return for

555
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 5: a touchdown. It was Antonio Gibson and we too in

556
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 5: the entire NFL. So like it's really it's worked in

557
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 5: the sense that the balls in play.

558
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: They're physically returning more kicks by the numbers aren't with them.

559
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: They thought, this is what we talked about it. Like

560
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: I hate the term dynamics.

561
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: Who's the best DNA in the NFL right now?

562
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 5: The best return the kickoff returner Jamal Agnew probably, but

563
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 5: like he's I think that man, Tampa, I want to say, yeah.

564
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: I just so my my hypothesis in asking that question

565
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: is we don't have any great athletes right now returning kicks.

566
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 5: Like, oh, I disagree with that, Okay, I mean there's

567
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 5: great athletes across the league.

568
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: Tell me, you know, but who is the uh you know,

569
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: the great of our era kick right now? Yeah?

570
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 5: I mean I suppose yeah, like Corridoro Patterson's you know,

571
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 5: not playing right now, so I guess like he's out.

572
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 5: But like I mean, I don't know, like you watched

573
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 5: for the league and you don't think that, Like the

574
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 5: skill position players have great talent.

575
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Speaker 1: They do a lot of teams that I don't know

576
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Speaker 1: the answer to this. I'm asking do a lot of

577
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: teams use their first string guys? Are they willing to

578
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: risk them on kicks? The injuries are in the league now.

579
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 5: Not necessarily, But I don't think that that's the main issue.

580
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 5: I think the main issue is that the play is

581
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 5: a lot harder to block than they anticipated. And Jeremy

582
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 5: Springer talked about this, I think it was last week

583
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 5: in his press conference that you know, it's like five

584
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 5: yards of separation between the guys that they're blocking in

585
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 5: the in the ball right, so like it happens so

586
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 5: quickly and there's a lot of space that you have

587
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 5: to be able to block the guy and he could

588
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 5: go around you either way. It's a really hard block

589
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 5: to execute.

590
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I have a can I pick? It is something

591
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Speaker 2: with Okay, I just curious You're you're fixating on the

592
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: returners and they're not the the athletes who would you

593
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Speaker 2: consider in recent time, like say the last fifteen to

594
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 2: twenty years the best returners.

595
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Speaker 7: Oh, I don't know, is that to Kobe from the

596
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 7: Ravens that Jones, Kobe Jones.

597
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: Kobe Jones, he'd be he'd be an example, Devin Hester

598
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: not stop like it's so it's not like the teams

599
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: are not risking their frontline players now because of injury

600
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: and they used to do it before. It's the same

601
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: caliber of returners. I think there's some differences of opinion

602
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: in terms of body types for punts and kicks now

603
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: because of the stuff that Evan's talking about with.

604
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: The closed quarters.

605
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 2: Jeremy Springer has talked about liking a running back as

606
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: opposed to you know, a defensive back or a wide

607
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: receiver because of the size and the ability to break

608
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 2: tackles and whatnot. I have a revolutionary I don't think

609
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: there's a lot of frontline players that over the years

610
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: returning kick.

611
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: I have a revolutionary tactic that special teams could incorporate

612
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: to block these. So here's how it works, right, So

613
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: kick as happens, no one can move until the kicker

614
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: has the ball. Right at that moment, the return team

615
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: gets up from their stance or from the line, and

616
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: instead of engaging with the guy, they all act like vices.

617
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: So they go down the field with the player, they

618
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: mirror the player, and they don't engage until a certain point. So,

619
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: in other words, they're not holding their block a distance.

620
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: They're holding their block closer, and it gives the returner

621
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: more options, you know what I'm saying. So that the

622
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: blocking doesn't start until further down the field.

623
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 4: Well, there's just a lot.

624
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of vice guys running with gunner.

625
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 4: You can't vice anymore.

626
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: So, like I'm not saying that you get together, but

627
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: like it's a bunch of guys mirroring guys down the

628
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: field and then at some point they turn and engage

629
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: and and the runner.

630
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: So treat it more like a punt.

631
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: Treat it more like a punt.

632
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: So you think punts have better return, but this is different.

633
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: This is different.

634
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: That would make it harder because you have ten guys

635
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: to deal with instead of two.

636
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: On punts, you can start running the moment it's punted.

637
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: That's why it would be harder on a kick with

638
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: ten guys down there instead of two. Now there's only

639
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: two guys that can that can go down there, just.

640
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 5: Like now does the new kickoff. I just think that

641
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 5: it's the coverage team and the return team, the blockers

642
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 5: in the like zone that they're set up in. Yeah,

643
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 5: they're too close together, right, it's too hard to back

644
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 5: the block.

645
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: That's what that's my point.

646
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 5: And so now it's like literally like getting to like

647
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 5: the thirty is like good job. Like if you return

648
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 5: it to the thirty or further down, like that's considered

649
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 5: a successful return, Whereas I think the league thought that

650
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 5: there was gonna be big returns off of this.

651
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 6: Now.

652
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 5: The only other thing I would say is that the

653
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 5: rules don't really allow you to double team or vice

654
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 5: as you were talking about, like as much. There's like

655
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 5: all sorts of rules against it now because the player safety.

656
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 5: So like since you can't like form a wall like

657
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 5: they used to be able to that, you can't really

658
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Speaker 5: like do that anymore. So now it's literally just like

659
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Speaker 5: nine to one on ones right across the board, right,

660
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Speaker 5: and so it's just like the defense is actually you know,

661
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 5: the coverage team is the one that's actually building the wall,

662
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Speaker 5: and it's just there's not enough space. And so so

663
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Speaker 5: like now that these returns is just running into a

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Speaker 5: brick wall. And I don't think the play is that exciting,

665
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Speaker 5: Like it's in play, but it's just not that exciting.

666
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 5: Last thing on this like they don't really do anything fancy.

667
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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people thought that the returned units.

668
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Speaker 5: They would try reverses, they would try to throw back.

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Speaker 2: I did see it reverse the other night. I haven't

670
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Speaker 2: seen the throwback. Ye, someone did a reverse in one

671
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Speaker 2: of the games that I watched. It didn't work.

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Speaker 1: But even the reverses don't really work from that distance,

673
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because like if you said,

674
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Speaker 1: if the coverage team is building a wall, they see

675
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Speaker 1: it all in front of them happening and you can react.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I thought that they would, that some of

677
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Speaker 5: these coordinators would maybe get a little bit more creative

678
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Speaker 5: with how they return it. But I think what's happened

679
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Speaker 5: is is that like the risk is not worth the

680
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Speaker 5: reward unless it's like a certain situation, because if there's

681
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Speaker 5: a ball security issue, if you put the ball on

682
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 5: the ground like that, that's worse than just getting to

683
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Speaker 5: the twenty five yard line and putting your offense on

684
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Speaker 5: the field. So I don't know, it just hasn't worked,

685
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Speaker 5: But I do like.

686
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Speaker 1: The fact that it's gotten the ball and play more.

687
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: Like there are more returns.

688
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Speaker 2: So you can't argue that, yeah, returns the way up.

689
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: The number of actual returns is up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's that opportunity of something to happen, so

691
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Speaker 1: at least it's it's worth watching, you know, like something

692
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: could happen.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I love it.

694
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Speaker 5: I think that like the fact that I have dissected

695
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 5: it as much as I have, I think tells you

696
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 5: that it's like a real play.

697
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: Now it's worked.

698
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Speaker 5: It's a play that you have to like factor into

699
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 5: things because now with like the dirty kicks too, like

700
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 5: you can really pin teams like you can you can

701
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 5: get teams down inside the twenty yard line and put

702
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 5: them on long fields. Like it's a lot of teams

703
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 5: are that are good at it have done really well

704
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 5: with that. So it's kind of like a strategy thing now, all.

705
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Speaker 1: Right, A five to five Pats five hundred special teams

706
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Speaker 1: talk about is the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com.

707
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Speaker 1: Is the email address again, Mike Rabel coming up at

708
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Speaker 1: about twelve fifty five. We'll break at that point and

709
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Speaker 1: feed him live to you. So I want to get people, uh,

710
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Speaker 1: find out what their thoughts on the Cleveland Browns are,

711
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Speaker 1: if they have any. So let's open it up. We'll

712
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Speaker 1: start with old friend Christian in La. What's up Christian?

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Speaker 9: Good you guys. Well, before I get to my football stuff.

714
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 9: I'm gonna go straight at Paul. Paul, Captain cranky. Captain Cranky.

715
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 9: It seems like every time I call, I make my point,

716
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 9: you immediately disagree with the point, and then for the

717
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 9: rest of the show slowly agree with the point.

718
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 9: Every single time.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 9: So let's see if today you do the same thing.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's let's hold on a second. What was

723
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Speaker 2: the What was the point that you made that I

724
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Speaker 2: disagreed with when you called most recently, and then I

725
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: eventually agreed with it.

726
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Speaker 9: I said that I felt like the team might just

727
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Speaker 9: be a paper tiger, like we play some teams that

728
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Speaker 9: aren't there great. Everyone's talking and I.

729
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Speaker 2: Woudn't possibly disagree with that more.

730
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Speaker 9: Getting there, Wait a minute, us getting there, and you said,

731
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Speaker 9: I disagree, ve Emily, I think this team is going

732
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Speaker 9: to be okay. If you got to the playoffs, would

733
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Speaker 9: we worry? And then the rest of the show all

734
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Speaker 9: you did was say, well, we got to talk about

735
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Speaker 9: the other story. We haven't really played anyone. You know,

736
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Speaker 9: this team, we haven't proven on those yet.

737
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Speaker 10: It's not the same thing.

738
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Speaker 2: It's not the same thing. You think that they're not

739
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: very good. I'm not saying anything I'm saying. If why

740
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Speaker 2: would you be upset at five and two? You were

741
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Speaker 2: upset that they were five and two because they don't

742
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Speaker 2: beat anybody. That's what I disagreed with. And you're worried

743
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Speaker 2: about losing the first game of the playoffs and losing

744
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Speaker 2: a draft pick, which you actually talked about on Sunday.

745
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Speaker 2: You're talking about getting the worst draft pick.

746
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Speaker 1: Who cares.

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Speaker 9: I wasn't upset about them winning. I wasn't upset about

748
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Speaker 9: them winning. What what I said was, I'm glad that

749
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Speaker 9: we want everything looks good.

750
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Speaker 2: My greatest fear, yes, is that And that's that's the

751
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Speaker 2: part I disagreed with. Why you're worrying about draft picks

752
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: instead of worrying about getting better every week, that's the

753
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Speaker 2: part I don't understand, and I disagree with that when

754
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Speaker 2: you said it, and I disagree with that. Now I

755
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Speaker 2: didn't change my view on that.

756
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Speaker 9: Well, what I said and what you said with the

757
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Speaker 9: same thing, the team might be a little bit of

758
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 9: a rated right now, Well.

759
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Speaker 2: That I didn't say that, so you're know we're not

760
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Speaker 2: saying the same thing.

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Speaker 9: You literally said. We got to go on the other

762
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Speaker 9: side and make sure we're talking about the team hasn't

763
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Speaker 9: really played an the one yet, and I'll schedule Basedaw,

764
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Speaker 9: that's that.

765
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Speaker 1: That's not the same thing as saying they're overrated.

766
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Speaker 9: Paper Tiger doesn't mean over rated. It means that we're good,

767
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 9: but we might not be as good as everyone thinks

768
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Speaker 9: we are.

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Speaker 1: Point the definition of thank you, Fred question, try today.

770
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Speaker 1: I'll give you credit, I'll give you you good effort.

771
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Speaker 1: I like it.

772
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Speaker 2: I actually said, he's worried that they're going to lose

773
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Speaker 2: the first playoff game and therefore get a better a

774
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Speaker 2: worse draft pick as a result than they should.

775
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Speaker 1: You there like the same.

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Speaker 2: I know, but a postgame show a postgame show, and

777
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Speaker 2: I just like I went on a rant. So it's

778
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: just like they're five and two. They won four games

779
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: each of the last two years. They're five and two,

780
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Speaker 2: and we're worried about not quite being as good as

781
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: our record. Maybe they're not, But like, I don't understand

782
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Speaker 2: why you worry about it. Why would that bother you

783
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 2: right now?

784
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Speaker 11: Uh?

785
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: Because I got news for you. You're just playing teams

786
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: like this the rest of the way. You get a

787
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: couple of you know, you got Buffalo again, you got Baltimore,

788
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Speaker 2: who I assume will be in a better spot when

789
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: they play them down the road that they are now. Okay,

790
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: there's not many teams that you won't be able to

791
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: compete with. I don't know why you would look at

792
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: the playoff pitcher in the AFC right now and say,

793
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Speaker 2: I don't know how we're gonna I don't know how

794
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: we're gonna be able to sack up against Indianapolis. I

795
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: don't know how we're going to end up playing if

796
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: we have to, if we have to play the Chargers,

797
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: with the Broncos, we got no shot, Like, I don't

798
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: know why you would spend time worrying about that right now.

799
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 2: That's the part I disagreed with. Instead of worrying about

800
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Speaker 2: draft picks for next year, worry about you know, can

801
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: Drake may continue to stack these games the way he

802
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: has the last month? Can he can he even be

803
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: better than this? A lot of people who analyze the

804
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: tape from the Tennessee game think he left some plays

805
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: on the field, like like Evan was talking about yesterday,

806
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: could he be even better than this? Why didn't you

807
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: spend time being excited about that instead of worried about

808
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: Chris draft In seventeenth in step job.

809
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Speaker 1: I don't know what your motivation was for the call,

810
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: but if it was to get onto Paul's skin, good job.

811
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Speaker 2: I think the one Patriots fans are just so insufferable

812
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: sometimes I think the one concerned.

813
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: Now he's but let's go.

814
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Speaker 5: Like last year, the Commanders like Jaden Daniels plays out

815
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 5: of his mind as a rookie and gets them to

816
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 5: the NFC Championship game. Now he's had some injuries this year,

817
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 5: they haven't like been as They really just haven't across

818
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 5: the board Ben as good and like, so my whole thing,

819
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 5: big picture is not like draft picks.

820
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Speaker 4: It's just like how do you keep it going right?

821
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 5: Like how do you how do you keep it going

822
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 5: even past this season? You know, if they continue on

823
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 5: this path, they go to the playoffs and like how.

824
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 4: Do we you know, to go back?

825
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 5: Like how do you avoid like the twenty twenty two

826
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Speaker 5: Mac Jones Patriots And he's much better than Mac. But

827
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 5: like that whole thing, you know, I think the Commanders

828
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 5: are coming back down to earth this year, and a

829
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 5: lot of that's because Daniels has been hurt, but like

830
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 5: some of it is because Daniels has been hurt. Some

831
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Speaker 5: of it's because maybe they overachieved.

832
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Speaker 2: For sure, probably would have been pissed if he was

833
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: a Washington fan because they went all away to the

834
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: NFC Championship game. It's the difference if you don't win

835
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Speaker 2: at all.

836
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Speaker 5: I just felt like when they were here for the

837
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 5: joint practice, and I know McLaurin didn't didn't practice, and

838
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 5: that's a big factor. When I looked at the two

839
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 5: teams on the field though, Like I didn't think the

840
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 5: talent gap was all that big between the Commanders and

841
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 5: the Patriots. And that was a team that was just

842
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 5: in the NFC Championship Game the year before.

843
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: It's an example of a team that got carried by

844
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Speaker 2: its quarterback.

845
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 4: Right, And I'm worried this team carried by its quarterback.

846
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: Well okay, but that's different about sustainability and getting better

847
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: and continuing like just this, Oh whoe is me? Like

848
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: we're not going to get a draft pick? Like I

849
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: guess basically, everybody is entitled to feel the way they feel. Okay,

850
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: I said that all the time, So I'm not attacking

851
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: Christian for feeling the way he feels. What I would

852
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: take exception to is that somehow he interpreted that after

853
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: the call like it was a shtick, Like I just

854
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: disagree with Christian when he calls, and then a half

855
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: hour later I was with him. I'm not with you.

856
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: I've never been with that that line of thought. I

857
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: will never be with Like when you're when you're a

858
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: fan of a team and they're winning games. Yes, you

859
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: recognize the flaws and the faults and you hope that

860
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: they improve on those, right, right, But I would rather

861
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: lose than go to the playoffs so I can get

862
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: a better draft pick.

863
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: I think a lot of fans have I've never said

864
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: that I had. I think a lot of fans have

865
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Speaker 1: this notion that if you have a low draft pick,

866
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Speaker 1: you can't improve, Like if you finish well and pick

867
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: low classes work out for him, right, that that's just

868
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: not true. If you have a good personnel department, you

869
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: can still get good guys at the bottom of the

870
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: first round, bottom of the second round, and you can

871
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: do well in free agency. And by the way, if

872
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: you're a better team, more free agents want to come

873
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: to you play with you.

874
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 4: So it's you can improve, you can, But.

875
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Speaker 5: Oh, you were with them a little bit Like if

876
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 5: I'm Washington, the analytics guys.

877
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: Raft that's right, draft picks.

878
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 5: It's twofold, though, like one like just looking at it realistically,

879
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 5: like Washington spend a bunch of money in last off season,

880
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 5: They're not going to go out and spend a bunch

881
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 5: more money. It's just not how ownership in any sport

882
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 5: works when you have an off season spending spree.

883
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: I agree, don't expect you don't expect to repeat what

884
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: the Patriots did this year in the off season correct

885
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: next year.

886
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 5: So you're not going to be big spenders in free agency.

887
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 5: And your roster wasn't as good as it looked. Your

888
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 5: quarterback had an unbelievable season, so like the commander has

889
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 5: had more holes on their roster than it looked because

890
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels was that good. So now if you're Washington.

891
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it works for twenty years.

892
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 5: It was great to go to the NFC championship game.

893
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 5: I am sure you went to the NFC Championship game.

894
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 5: You got your doors blown off of you, and now

895
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 5: you're three and four of the following year because your

896
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 5: roster wasn't really all that good.

897
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: Well so well wait a minute, now, hold on, is

898
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: the roster worse than it was last year. No, okay,

899
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: so why there's another reason why the quarterbacks hurt. That's

900
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: why the record is what it is.

901
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: But Evans larger point is they weren't as good as

902
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: twelve and five within No I.

903
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: Know, but if you have a great quarterback, you can

904
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: overcome that. And while you're overcoming it with your quarterback,

905
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: you can get incrementally better every year. But I would

906
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: argue doesn't mean you have to have a top five

907
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: pick every year.

908
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 4: I'm not saying top five.

909
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 5: I'm just I would argue that Jaden Daniels could have

910
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 5: had a great year as a rookie and they could

911
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 5: have had like the eighteenth pick in the first first

912
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 5: round of the draft instead of picking at the bottom

913
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 5: of the first round of the draft.

914
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: He'd have still been hurt this year and they would

915
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: have problems.

916
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 5: I guarantee you their GM would have said it wouldn't

917
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 5: have been the worst thing in the world.

918
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: The quarterback because he wants to have draft pick. But

919
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: Daniel going to be good.

920
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 4: I don't care who we're talking about injuries like you can't.

921
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: We are because that's the that's the current state of

922
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: that team.

923
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 5: I don't think that they would be I don't think

924
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 5: that's the only reason. I don't think that's the only reason.

925
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: I don't think Daniels has played as well when he's

926
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: been healthy. But I would also say maybe.

927
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: He's not that good.

928
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 5: We have to do that because if he's like elevating

929
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 5: the he's elevated.

930
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: Think but I thought that last year when I got

931
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: when I got laughed at you.

932
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 5: He's elevating the roster last year to an insane level.

933
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 5: You can't expect even the great quarterbacks to do that

934
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 5: every single year. So like, at some point you can't,

935
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, quarterbacks, yes you can.

936
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: You can't, though maybe Mahomes can. But that's a hard

937
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: way to do it. Brady did it for years that

938
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: there's a select group that.

939
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: You are great.

940
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if Drake quarters are going to be

941
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 2: those guys yet. I mean they've only played two seasons,

942
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: not even two seasons yet. I just think that there's

943
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: I also think there's a huge thing in Washington like

944
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: a year ahead, like like it's a slow it's a

945
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: slower build than that. So it's why it's very common

946
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 2: in sports to take a step to two steps forward

947
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: and one step back. It's a common thing in all sports. Yeah,

948
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: that it happens all the time. Exactly why you haven't

949
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: said because maybe you won more games than you probably

950
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: should have.

951
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: What do we say in particularly, what did we say

952
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: before the season even started about the commander?

953
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: We thought that they would take a step back because

954
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: but my biggest reason was was two fold. Number one

955
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: ever mentioned it, but it kind of glossed over. They

956
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: were a mess in the summer with Terry McLaurin. That

957
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: whole situation was not an ideal way to go about

958
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: business heading into a season. That was a completely avoidable

959
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: mistake that they had. And oh, by the way, McLaurin

960
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: has been hurt, which I don't think is a coincidence.

961
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: When you don't do anything all summer, you end up

962
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: getting hurt early in the season, and now you got

963
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: your quarterback and your best offensive player hurt. But the

964
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: other thing is all of those games you win on

965
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: the last play of the game, that's there's a regression

966
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: to the mean. That's inevitable. Fools when you do that.

967
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 2: That's five games they had five touchdowns in the last

968
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, five go ahead touchdowns. Do you know how

969
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: hard that is? I'll tell you it's never happened before.

970
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: That's how hard it is, Like there's no way that

971
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: you can possibly replicate that. That's why I thought they

972
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: would take a step back.

973
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 5: It was fool's gold, and so like it's I just

974
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 5: feel like maybe there's something to be said for like

975
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 5: taking smaller, incremental steps. And I'm not telling the Patriots

976
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 5: to go purposely out go out and lose games to

977
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 5: do that, but I'm just saying.

978
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: Like the winning is good.

979
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 5: The period the Commanders got they would have won any ways, though,

980
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 5: Like they still would have won to an acceptable level,

981
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 5: but the way that they did it ended up actually

982
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 5: kind of hurting them in the long n Yeah.

983
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean you could make that argument. I wouldn't.

984
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: I think that they the benefit that they get from

985
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 2: going the NFC championship vastly outweighs being ten spots later

986
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: in the draft. In my view, I'm with it, Fred

987
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: on that one hundred percent. I understand what your point is.

988
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 4: I just don't if you're not going to spend the

989
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 4: money in I'm not where's the talent come?

990
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: But the draft? Why can't you draft? Just like why

991
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: did Belichick do it all the time?

992
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: Belichick didn't do it all the time.

993
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 12: I can.

994
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 2: I can show you from two thousand and one to

995
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: twenty twelve when he did it all the time.

996
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: What about the Steelers parentally a winning team, yet they

997
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: were picking thirty seconds all the time?

998
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 4: Have not all the time?

999
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean Logan Magas thirty two.

1000
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: Richard Seymour not thirty two. Hey, that's the very first game.

1001
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: But like that, once they got good, I said, he

1002
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: continued to draft at a high level. You're getting like

1003
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: Dan Copens and the Santi Samuels in the middle rounds. Yes,

1004
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: it's really Eugene Wilson. You know that they had a

1005
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: lot of good players that they picked, not with top

1006
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: draft picks.

1007
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: That's really hard to do.

1008
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: But he did it for twelve years.

1009
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: Bill did it good. He did.

1010
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 4: That's why he's going to the Hall of Fame.

1011
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: So like, let's just.

1012
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: Not give these guys and out and say, well, you know,

1013
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: I would liked to have drafted, but instead of picking eighteenth,

1014
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: I have to pick twenty.

1015
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 4: Not giving them it out.

1016
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 5: You just are acting like it's so easy to go

1017
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 5: find Pro Bowl players in the third and fourth round

1018
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 5: of the draft when it's not. Like it's not that

1019
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 5: it's just just good, okayt Samuel.

1020
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 2: It's a pro bowler like Eugene Wilson, Dan Copen, just okay.

1021
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 4: But it's just not that easy. It's not that easy.

1022
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: Well, I think this is all a result of Christian's call.

1023
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: So good job Christian.

1024
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, in retrospect, i'll give Christian, you know, no,

1025
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: in all serious I'll give him not because he spurret

1026
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: them well and you have Evan on your side. I

1027
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: just I mean, he doesn't want to whom to show.

1028
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 4: The way to top five pick.

1029
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 5: It's just like there's this happy media here. Look at

1030
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 5: the Detroit Lions, like the Lions took stepping stones.

1031
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 4: They're bad. In Dan Campbell's first year then they were medio.

1032
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: And you're saying if that first year, you know, lightning

1033
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: struck and they made it to the NFC Championship, they

1034
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able.

1035
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 4: To because they wouldn't have Jamiir Gibbs.

1036
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 5: Forget the first Jack Campbell, they wouldn't have Brian Branch,

1037
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 5: they wouldn't have Sam Laporta, like, they wouldn't have all

1038
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 5: these pays.

1039
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what else could I really don't know

1040
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: why they wouldn't have had all of those players. But anyway,

1041
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: they wouldn't have had the first year if they were

1042
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: a three win team. So we're not talking about the

1043
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: first year. We're talking about the second year. Okay, the

1044
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 2: second year they went nine to eight.

1045
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: Yep.

1046
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: Could they have easily gone ten and seven, made the

1047
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: playoffs and made a run just like the Commanders did. Yeah,

1048
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: that could have happened, and that would have been a

1049
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: bad thing.

1050
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it would have been a bad thing.

1051
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that in retrospect, it ended up working

1052
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 5: out for them in terms of sustainability a little bit better. Like,

1053
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 5: that's how you get Gibbs, that's how you get Campbell,

1054
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 5: That's how you get those guys in there.

1055
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: Like if you don't, but if you don't it is

1056
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is you you're making it out to

1057
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: be a zero sum game, Like in order to get

1058
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: Gibbs is not a great example because he was a

1059
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 2: was he like twelve? Yeah, so maybe you don't get Gibbs,

1060
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: but you can get Sam Laporta, and you can get

1061
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: Jack Campbell, and you can get some of the other

1062
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: guys that are centerpieces of their team as opposed to

1063
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk, like, you don't have to, but you have

1064
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: to hit the pick. But you don't have to have

1065
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: a high pick to hit the pick. You have to

1066
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: hit the pick when you make it. Whatever it is.

1067
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: You got to get good players. They used to be

1068
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: able to do that. They haven't been able to do

1069
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: it more recently. I agree with you, that's the only

1070
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: way to build a championship roster because you can't just

1071
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: do it in free agency every year, no one, No

1072
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: one does that.

1073
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: You can't.

1074
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: I agree with Evans's point. I just disagree that if

1075
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 2: they had won another game or two, we'll forget Sam Laporta.

1076
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: No, like you could still draft good.

1077
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 4: Player Mayor Gibbs, who's like jam Gibbs back in the NFL.

1078
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: Jamiro Gibbs. They got because they had the two picks, right,

1079
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: they had the.

1080
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 5: Two picks, but they used they had extra draft, they

1081
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 5: had extra capital, and they made a move. They moved

1082
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 5: up slightly though it was like right, but in the

1083
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 5: middle you can do that so like twelve eleven.

1084
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not like he was, you know,

1085
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: like Jamar Chase.

1086
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 7: Well that's the Evans dream scenario, right, like that, Like

1087
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 7: you know you're like, well, ye.

1088
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: Kind of.

1089
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 5: I don't need to go up that I know, and

1090
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 5: I'm enjoying that they're winning games and all that good stuff.

1091
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 5: But I just I don't know, like I understand both

1092
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 5: sides of it.

1093
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what.

1094
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 8: Talent.

1095
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: But I'm going to say it again. I mean, this

1096
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: is what Christian was talking about. They did it. I

1097
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: guess I know, Christian, I'm being dead serious here. I

1098
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: think I might I'll step back. I maybe I didn't

1099
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: look at it the way.

1100
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 5: Wait, you should let these two draft because if you're

1101
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 5: drafting thirtieth in the first round, they'd find the guys.

1102
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 2: I didn't say I would.

1103
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 5: It's not my job, okay, but that's not like you

1104
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 5: look at any of the teams across the board.

1105
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 4: Who does it consistently?

1106
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 5: Bill did it consistently and built a dynasty that is

1107
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 5: the greatest dynasty in the history of sports.

1108
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: So that's the that's Baltimore has done it pretty consistently.

1109
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: I think Pittsburgh has done it well. I mean, I'm

1110
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: not telling you every pick at the home run.

1111
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 4: It's in the middle of the round. Every year they're

1112
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 4: nine and eight.

1113
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: They're a playoff team. Every year, So they picking in

1114
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: the bottom twelveeenth, bottom fourteen. Now because they expanded the playoffs,

1115
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: they're picking in the bottom fourteen somewhere, So they're picking

1116
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: the second half of the round. Like, you don't have

1117
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about.

1118
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: Nine and eight.

1119
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: You said that was the biggest difference for the Detroit

1120
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: or that's what I mean. Ninety eight doesn't get you

1121
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: in the.

1122
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 5: Top anders who picked what twenty eighth, twenty ninth in

1123
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 5: the first round because they went to the NFC championship.

1124
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: Game because they made a run once they got in

1125
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: the play Well, they were twelve and five.

1126
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 2: That's a good record. That's why they picked late when

1127
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: they did. But I mean, we're advocating going from twenty

1128
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 2: eight to eighteen. That's the difference. Again, I just don't

1129
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: believe that that's the difference between getting Sam Laporta and

1130
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: not not Sam Laporta, but getting Jet Campbell.

1131
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 5: Like all these guys that are picked in the top

1132
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 5: twenty every year, Like there's a big discrepancy between the

1133
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 5: guys that are picked inside the top twenty and outside

1134
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 5: the top twenty.

1135
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: Like it's it's the how come the Jets suck bad

1136
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: draft of it. Okay, they picked low every year and

1137
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: they draft poorly, and a lot of teams we can

1138
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: use that as an example for any team. I don't know,

1139
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: it's how you draft. It's not where you draft.

1140
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 5: Fred you can't just draft at the bottom of the

1141
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 5: first round and expect to find the pillars of your

1142
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 5: organization down there. Like that's not like, that's not how

1143
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 5: going to happen. Like I look at this stuff every

1144
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 5: single year, like for six months. You're not going to

1145
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 5: just find you know, Penny School at thirty two overall, Like,

1146
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 5: that's not going to happen.

1147
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 7: No, and the Patriots turnaround has been largely predicated.

1148
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 4: On drafting Christian Gonzalez, Will Campbell.

1149
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: That's where the talent has finally.

1150
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez is one of those guys in the middle

1151
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: of the round that's you can get, not twenty ninth, seventeenth.

1152
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: I'll leave you on that, all right, we haven't. You

1153
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: just did a Belichick and you're just leaving more than one.

1154
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 8: He's gonna walk to the press coverage just mumbling to himself,

1155
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 8: what service I'm moderate.

1156
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 4: That he's really upset.

1157
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: I just really I didn't want to chime in and

1158
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: break up the flow. I know, I want to let

1159
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: the flow.

1160
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 7: You guys were I mean, he was fine, But I

1161
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 7: mean also the question I have is is their institutional

1162
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 7: value from going to an AFC.

1163
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: That's what I said, from a conference championship.

1164
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 2: You know how from that experience, you're going.

1165
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 7: To lose draft You're going to you know, lose draft status.

1166
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 7: But you know, what is the organization view as And

1167
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 7: I'm sure that there's a bottom line component financially of

1168
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 7: making aid of the conference championship game too.

1169
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: But no, that was great stuff.

1170
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 6: You know.

1171
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: No, and I know that it's going to sound like

1172
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 2: it sounded like it's disingenuous. This is what the point

1173
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: that Christian was making that I disagreed with, and obviously

1174
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: Evan disagrees with it too. My only thing with what

1175
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: Christian was saying that I took exception to today's call

1176
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 2: is that he claims somehow that I changed my view

1177
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: a half hour later. I don't. I still you don't

1178
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: maintain I want to win. I think winning is good

1179
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: and I think losing is bad. I don't think that's

1180
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 2: that controversial of a take.

1181
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, there were two things though, I was I was

1182
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 7: thinking about. Is that We talk all the times about

1183
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 7: the free agency, the big free agent class, and then

1184
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 7: there's usually a regression to the mean the next year,

1185
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 7: regardless of who it.

1186
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: Was, because you're not going to go back into that

1187
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: market and invest the same way nobody does.

1188
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 7: But even the guys that you maintain, it's like asking

1189
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 7: Bobby Wagner at whatever he is, thirty five to can

1190
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 7: you know, continue to play at a high level. And

1191
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 7: the other thing is like, and that'm it's just Jayden

1192
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 7: Daniels is more experienced, Like I think there's a big

1193
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 7: difference between you know him year one, year two than

1194
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 7: Drake May where you feel like this is the first

1195
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 7: time Drake has had an offensive coordinator to you know,

1196
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 7: or I'm sorry that he's getting into a system that

1197
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 7: he's used to and you know, hopefully can have some

1198
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 7: continuity between this year next year, which was the biggest

1199
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 7: problem in twenty two.

1200
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: When you rip that from Matt and you.

1201
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: Can nitpick a little bit, you know, with Washington and

1202
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: say like, well did they do did they make the

1203
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: right personnel moves around their young quarterback to get better?

1204
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: And maybe I don't know enough about their roster building

1205
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: from last year to this year to honestly be able.

1206
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: To get the wise Jonathan Jones. But like I'm talking

1207
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: about the draft, I don't know who they drafted.

1208
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I don't know their draft class,

1209
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: you know, off the top of my head, I would

1210
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: say another similar kind of organization would be Houston. Houston

1211
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: got the rookie quarterback and CEJ Strout, who I think

1212
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 2: is terrific, and I still think he's terrific. Did they

1213
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: do enough around him? You know, they went year two,

1214
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: they won the division again, but he took a step back.

1215
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: They weren't as good offensively because the offensive line wasn't good.

1216
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: Then they went out and they really didn't go hogtail

1217
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: and invest in the offensive line. They kind of waited.

1218
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: They got a kid who looks okay but hasn't been

1219
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: a world beater. I think Ursery, right, yea, arin't they

1220
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: draft him? Did I get that right?

1221
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 13: Now?

1222
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: You get the name right?

1223
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they get so. Again, I don't know

1224
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: enough about each step of the team building process that

1225
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: those teams made, but that to me would be the

1226
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: fear I would worry about moving forward. Will they do

1227
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: enough with the young quarterback to take the next steps

1228
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: so you go from being a playoff team to a

1229
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 2: title contender. And I agree with Christian, I don't think

1230
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: this is a title contending roster right now. But that

1231
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you can't win games. Yeah, I think

1232
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: Houston's a good example two of that.

1233
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 7: Just because you know a team like the Patriots, Drake

1234
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 7: May have in a great season right now, it doesn't

1235
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 7: mean the trajectory is like this year you make to

1236
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 7: the first round of the playoffs. Next year you're going

1237
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 7: to be in the divisional run, and then after that

1238
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 7: you're like, you know, it's not that kind of and

1239
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 7: Houston's a great example of that, Like it's it's hard

1240
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 7: to keep it all together on that street.

1241
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 2: The last thing Fred on this isil piggybacking on Mike's point.

1242
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 2: There's nothing guaranteed, Like I don't know what it's going

1243
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: to look like next year for the Patriots. I don't

1244
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: know what Drake May is going to look like next year.

1245
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: I know right now he's played at an exceptionally high level.

1246
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: So I want that to continue, and I want them

1247
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: to continue winning games, and I want them to make

1248
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: a run. And if they do, that's great. If they don't,

1249
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: I'll hope that it.

1250
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: Wasn't fool's goal, right, yeah, right, right.

1251
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: And I'll hope that they can get better, but I

1252
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: don't know what it's not guaranteed next year.

1253
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: Let's let's hit the phones. Going to do it quickly

1254
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: because we might have to cut you off for variable.

1255
00:54:54,840 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: But first we'll start with HERM in d C. What's up? Herm?

1256
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 14: What's going on?

1257
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: Guys?

1258
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 6: How you doing good?

1259
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: Going great?

1260
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: You gotta be quick most.

1261
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 14: An observation, yeah, question. So the discourse around the defense, right,

1262
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 14: I mean we have to I believe the top five

1263
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 14: scoring defense in the entire NFL, and I believe Mike

1264
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 14: referenced yesterday how Spencer Ratler and can work crops this up.

1265
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 14: I mean there's a little the context was there, right,

1266
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 14: Spencer Ratler was the number one high school quarterback coming

1267
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 14: out and it went to OU and Kim Ward. It's

1268
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 14: the number one pick in the NFL draft. So yes,

1269
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 14: obviously they will complete some passes. But I just when

1270
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 14: everybody like, take a little chill pill, I think the

1271
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 14: defense is fine. Yes, that idea that we're giving up

1272
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 14: scoring drafts to open up the last few games, but ultimately, yep,

1273
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 14: if you just want up and down the field. All

1274
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 14: you do is is accomplished, but nothing in terms of

1275
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 14: like cardio, right, as long as you keep the teams

1276
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 14: out of the end zone and you control to run.

1277
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 14: I think, yeah.

1278
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: But I hear what you're saying, and the bottom line

1279
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: is how many points are you giving up? And they're doing.

1280
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: Things that's I think that's full score and they're the points.

1281
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: But you know the thing is that overall those offenses

1282
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: don't score a lot of points, you know, and the

1283
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: one that we're playing this week doesn't score a lot

1284
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: of points. So if the Patriots don't allow them to

1285
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: score a lot of points, well that's kind of what

1286
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. So the big I think it'll

1287
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: be a big test in two weeks when they play Atlanta.

1288
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: I think Atlanta can put some points up sometimes, you know.

1289
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: I think Tampa Bay points out.

1290
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how they only score a

1291
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 2: ten against San Francisco with all those guys out, I.

1292
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: Think Tampa Bay can put So there's some tests. I

1293
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: think this week is a great test for the Patriots offense.

1294
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: I think there's some weeks coming up that will be

1295
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: good better tests for the defense. Than we've had so far,

1296
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: So we'll see. I mean, this is all to be

1297
00:56:58,800 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: seen with this team.

1298
00:56:59,560 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: Now.

1299
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 7: There's this is it's a fascinating disparity in that they

1300
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 7: are a top ten team in points and yards and

1301
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 7: that stuff, but dvway they're twenty eighth, which is adjusted

1302
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 7: to opponents. So you know, you our job now is

1303
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 7: this could be a good team. What are the flaws?

1304
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 7: Is the defense really good enough? You know, those are

1305
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 7: the things that we're trying to analyze. And you can't

1306
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 7: ignore that number dv eight twenty eighth. That's well, that's

1307
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 7: that's a warning side. What is the Browns defense DVOA eleventh?

1308
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: Oh no, sorry, they're in the top ten. I think

1309
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: the fifth. Oh I gotta look no.

1310
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: Better than I thought.

1311
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: Sam's in Easton what's up? Sam?

1312
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 15: Hey, guys, pivoting off what you were just talking about.

1313
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 15: I want to talk about the Monday night game with

1314
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 15: Detroit showed on defense. I feel like they kind of

1315
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 15: provide a little bit of a blueprint, you know, with

1316
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 15: with pressure on Mayfield, I think he was particularly accurate.

1317
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 15: I think he's pretty overrated as a passer in general.

1318
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 15: But curious what you guys saw and what you thought

1319
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 15: about depleted secondary, just shutting them down. I think we

1320
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 15: should win that game with even without Mike Evans. I

1321
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 15: think for the better team.

1322
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, they certainly got to Mayfield and gave him trouble.

1323
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: Thanks Sam, You know so.

1324
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: I don't think you're the better team in that. I'm

1325
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 2: not telling you.

1326
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: Catch him in is. We don't have a Hutchinson, right,

1327
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: you know that's Baker. Mayfield was dreadfully bad in that game. Yeah,

1328
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: he was off.

1329
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: He had all kinds of receivers to throw to and

1330
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: just missed them.

1331
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: And that's his career, right, that's his career.

1332
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: But I'm going to just say that was an outlier.

1333
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: This year, he's been pretty good. Yeah, he's been very accurate.

1334
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: He's he runs around all the time, Like I don't

1335
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,479
Speaker 2: think he was under I mean he probably percentage wise,

1336
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: had more pressure the other night than normal. But I've

1337
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: seen him running around for his life all year and

1338
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: it makes place. He was terrible in that game. I

1339
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: don't think you can bank on that again.

1340
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: Williams in Montreal, what's up, william I?

1341
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 12: I have a question. Yeah, against the Browns, how do

1342
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 12: you guys think Will Campbell and Jared Wilson will match

1343
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 12: up against Miles Garrett. Are we going to have to

1344
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 12: chip them on every play or fly?

1345
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna need more than chips. I think

1346
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna need a double team.

1347
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: You might need the double team with tight end. You

1348
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: might need to bring in an eligible uh lineman. I

1349
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: don't think they'll do that. No, not in passing downs.

1350
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 2: Well, I don't don't have Hunter Henry as an extra

1351
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 2: blocker or Austin Hooper one of those guys.

1352
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: But you're gonna have to have a plan. Yeah, and

1353
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: I can't just that plan is gonna takes with Miles Garrett.

1354
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 7: That's not a plan, no, I mean the more the

1355
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 7: bigger problem might be Malie Collins inside against Jared Mason

1356
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 7: grat He's, I mean, and Mason Graham two's rotational piece.

1357
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 7: But you know, Malie Collins is right behind Freddie loved

1358
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 7: Mason but is having a great season two. He's got

1359
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 7: a lot of pressure, he's got a lot of sacks.

1360
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: He's right. So you can't double both those guys.

1361
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Speaker 7: So that's a matchup Watching Jared Wilson in that left

1362
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 7: guard position against Malie Collins, that that could be almost

1363
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 7: more interesting because it's harder to help your guard against

1364
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 7: somebody like that, especially when you're.

1365
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Speaker 1: Trying to help the left tackle against.

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Speaker 2: Drake also will be a big part of the protection.

1367
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: I used to give Brady a lot of credit for

1368
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: it in a different way because he did it with

1369
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Speaker 2: his mind. I think Drake does it with his athleticism.

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Speaker 1: Dan's in New Jersey.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Dante, Fred, you're talking earlier about special teams, and

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Speaker 10: I agree with Fred.

1373
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Speaker 3: There they did.

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Speaker 10: I kind of think they did fix the kickoff. Now

1375
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 10: they need to do something about the on side kick,

1376
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 10: and I guess they're talking about it again. Going back

1377
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 10: to the idea of fourth and fifteen. Have you heard that?

1378
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I hate that till oh really I hate

1379
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: manufacturing that. It's like putting the runner on second base

1380
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: an extra I love that. I don't. It's like, but

1381
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: a fourth and fifteen is way too cuts.

1382
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 7: Where would you go if you really had to do

1383
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 7: it like fourth and twenty?

1384
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: Like?

1385
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 6: Is that?

1386
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 7: I just don't just sounds like I don't thinks like, you.

1387
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: Know, we're going to have one play and that's going

1388
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: to allow the team to get an extra possession.

1389
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 7: I don't not to mention like when you're an on

1390
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 7: site kick, it's on your special teams to make the play.

1391
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 7: Now you're asking your best player, your quarterback, and you

1392
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 7: know your offensive weapons to make.

1393
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: What I don't like what they've done with the on

1394
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: side kick is they've taken it out unless you're losing

1395
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, like you can't surprise.

1396
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't why. That's why I don't like the whole

1397
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: kickoff thing. Yep, all right, thanks Dan.

1398
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: But I don't know what the answer is. But that's

1399
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: why I don't like the kickoff. I like the kickoff

1400
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 2: the way it was. If you want to more kicks return,

1401
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: then move the kickoff line back so it's harder to

1402
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: have touchbacks.

1403
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul and the Colony writes in Evan is way off,

1404
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: he says he's showing his true colors. He is more

1405
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: about the draft than the team. I would always prefer

1406
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: to know I have a QB capable of raising the

1407
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: talent around him over wondering if he is the guy

1408
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: and getting better draft picks.

1409
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 7: I mean, I like, I would agree with Evan if

1410
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 7: you're talking about the difference between top five and fourteen. Oh,

1411
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 7: you know those like like I can agree with him

1412
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 7: In there. But the difference between the value of making

1413
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 7: the playoffs and making a you know, for the organization.

1414
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 7: For what did it mean to Washington last year?

1415
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: For me to Detroit to win that last game of

1416
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: the year against green Bay, it was meaningless for them,

1417
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: but not green Bay, you know, like that was huge

1418
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 2: for the Lions. But you can't culture.

1419
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 7: Really measure that though, you know, Like that's what I mean,

1420
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 7: Like it's hard to say, give me. That's why I

1421
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 7: brought up the financial component, because you know, teams do

1422
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 7: get paid money, So I mean, like, you know, you

1423
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 7: know that if you.

1424
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: Want to tell me, like the Patriots should have lost

1425
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: that last game against Buffalo to get the number one

1426
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: overall pick absolutely yea or Okay, it wasn't as big

1427
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: a deal to me as it was to other people.

1428
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: But I understand that, Like so you're talking fourth to first,

1429
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: like you didn't get anything from a culture building standpoint

1430
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 2: by winning, not.

1431
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 7: Almost worse was to get more vitriolized.

1432
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: So there was nothing to be gained by winning the game. Okay,

1433
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 2: but that's a rare occurrence. I just I feel like

1434
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: the part that that I think Evan and a lot

1435
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: of people Evan's not alone.

1436
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: By the way, a lot of people.

1437
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Speaker 2: Just always look at those draft picks like this hope

1438
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: on the horizon, Like, I don't really understand why winning

1439
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 2: two less games makes it more likely that you can

1440
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: get Sam Laporte in the second round.

1441
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

1442
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: Like that's the pot. Like I think he's glossing over

1443
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 2: how good of a job with Brad Holmes right the

1444
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 2: GM for Detroit. Let's just say, for Detroit's GM, how

1445
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: good of a job they did in nailing so many

1446
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,439
Speaker 2: of those picks. Yes, Penny Sewell was a top five pick,

1447
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 2: they weren't all top five picks.

1448
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 7: And the Porta was in the mix of good tight ends,

1449
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 7: but not like one of the standout It wasn't like that,

1450
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 7: you know, the kid that from Penn State that went

1451
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 7: Tyler Warren.

1452
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: They went to the Colts last year.

1453
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: You know, but even he was in the middle of

1454
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: the round and so.

1455
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 7: Especially like I just I'm looking at him, like, Patriots

1456
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 7: make the playoffs and they lose in the first round.

1457
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 7: I would much rather take that and pick twenty second.

1458
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 7: I just look at the not make the playoffs and

1459
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 7: pick sixteenth Like that to me is a eligible difference that.

1460
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: I look at that video in the faces and the

1461
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: looks on those guys faces, and the excitement and the

1462
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: enthusiasm and the culture that you can see. You can

1463
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 2: visibly see the culture building as we watch these every week.

1464
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: I mean, but the emailers that make fun of me

1465
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 2: and the callers that make fun of me you being

1466
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: a curmudget are not wrong. I've been around a long time.

1467
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: Not a lot of this stuff really sort of moves

1468
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 2: the needle for me. Watching that video the other day

1469
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 2: was like, I can see it. You can see the excitement.

1470
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 2: It's a difference between the last two years with the

1471
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: four wins. Mike, you keep saying like each loss just

1472
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: kind of like perpetuated yourself.

1473
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: You can see it.

1474
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 2: Even guys that have been around like Fred and I

1475
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: forever can see the difference. There's value to that.

1476
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's going on with I think so

1477
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: they pushed it. They just got.

1478
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 2: You just got to push notification. Have some more.

1479
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: Dan, Dan you guys, Yeah, yeah, all.

1480
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 16: Right, So yeah, So I wanted to give one harp

1481
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 16: on Paul, Paul and Bike actually actually Paul and mainly Evan.

1482
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 16: We're talking about how they were saying, uh, the problems

1483
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 16: this year. In the training camp was going to be, well,

1484
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 16: we were gonna have we were gonna do good on

1485
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 16: defense and probably struggle on offense. But it's been the

1486
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 16: complete offenses. The offense is looking amazing. Absolutely, The defense

1487
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 16: is just the defense is just you never really know

1488
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 16: how they're gonna start, we're gonna finish, but they've been

1489
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 16: finishing good. So I want to give some what Paul

1490
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 16: thinks on his thoughts on that, on the defense and

1491
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 16: how the players are playing so far.

1492
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: No, Okay, nailed it. I absolutely thought it would be

1493
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 2: the opposite. And that's probably the thing that has me

1494
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: most enthusiastic about what's going on is they're not winning

1495
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: a lot of defensive struggles and beating bad teams just

1496
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 2: because they couldn't score. No, their offense is moving the

1497
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: ball against all these teams really well. Some games that

1498
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: they're scoring more than others, but they're moving the ball

1499
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: pretty well in every game. Yeah, I thought it would

1500
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: be the opposite. I thought the offense would struggle. And

1501
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: the reason that I was sort of luke warm on

1502
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: the whole season heading in was because of that. And

1503
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 2: I you know, this is not an excuse because I

1504
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 2: didn't It's not like I said it was going to happen,

1505
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 2: but I did keep saying. The one caveat is if

1506
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: the quarterback makes an enormous step forward, and he did,

1507
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: he has and he is, and that's why your offense

1508
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: is as good as it is. That's the secret, sauce.

1509
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 2: Once you get their quarterback, then everything else falls into place.

1510
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: Cameron writes in how soon everyone forgets that we beat

1511
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: the Bills on Sunday Night Football three weeks ago? I've

1512
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: had enough with everyone saying we haven't help any good teams.

1513
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: Who the hell has forgotten that?

1514
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: Well, he's saying anyone that says we haven't beaten any

1515
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: good team, No one has said that.

1516
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: Everybody says they've had the easiest schedule in the league.

1517
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: That's a fact, but that's but you have beaten a

1518
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: good team one. Okay, Panthers aren't too bad.

1519
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are terrible as a matter of fact.

1520
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: Justin writes in Evan's gonna go home tonight, walk in

1521
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: with his arms crossed and comically PLoP on his couch

1522
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: and frustration. Jess is gonna ask him bad day at work,

1523
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: and Evan's gonna mutter. Paul doesn't know ball and makes

1524
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: me mad.

1525
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 2: Doesn't know he doesn't respect the draft.

1526
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that.

1527
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: I don't. That's fat. Evan can make fun of me

1528
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 2: for that and be accurate. I do not respect the draft.

1529
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: Gerald and Burlington writes in for five years, we've been

1530
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: comparing about how poor the team is and suffering through

1531
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: back to back for one seasons. Why would you not

1532
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: want to win now? I would love the team to

1533
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: go to an AFC Championship or even Super Bowl and

1534
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: come up short and stink again. And the logic of

1535
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: slow building is flawed. You can just as easily mess

1536
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: that up as you could drafting at pick thirty. To

1537
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: Paul's point, look at Pittsburgh. They seem to be slow

1538
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: building for over a decade and stuck at neutral. I

1539
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: one hundred. Expect a regression next year and wins and

1540
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: losses because of scheduled difficult The team may be better,

1541
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: more talented, but the record worse in both as possible.

1542
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 2: That's another part of the two steps forward one step

1543
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: back theory that I am strongly a proponent of. That

1544
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 2: happens too. You could be a better team next year

1545
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 2: and not win as many games. Yeah, that could happen.

1546
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 2: You're just hoping it all kind of comes out in

1547
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 2: the wash of that.

1548
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't think drake Man can continue to

1549
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 7: play at this level for the rest of his career.

1550
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 7: I mean, this is pretty ridiculous, but i'd say defensively

1551
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 7: and even a couple of places on offense. You feel,

1552
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 7: like we said it before, they haven't really had a

1553
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 7: chance to really remake this team the way they want

1554
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 7: and they're and I mean, I don't know, I said

1555
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 7: it like after week one or two, get a sense

1556
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 7: there's some placeholders, and so the hope is that and again,

1557
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 7: like most of these guys are coming back for better

1558
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 7: or worse, whether you want them or not, whether you're

1559
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 7: going to try to replace them. There isn't like, all right,

1560
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 7: we got a lot of major holes that we have

1561
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 7: to address, but they should have a chance of starting

1562
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 7: a better starting position. And now can you start to

1563
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:59,839
Speaker 7: round things out and get some more of the players

1564
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 7: to overextend and go crazy. But that's my hope, is

1565
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 7: that you start to really build the team that you

1566
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 7: want even more so, and that'll offset some of the

1567
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 7: potential regression to the mean from drake Man in the.

1568
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: Office, Audrey writes in simple statement, winning is good. Winning

1569
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: breeds more success. Winning brings it more buy in and

1570
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: better free agents. Teams should always always win as much

1571
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: as possible. The only exception would be the bottom five teams,

1572
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: where draft position means much more like a possible quarterback. Philly,

1573
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: for example, has had no problem gaining more talent and

1574
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: often moving up in the draft if necessary.

1575
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 2: That's another example Philly. They've had low draft picks and

1576
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 2: they're continuing to draft well every year.

1577
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 7: And that's a good example too of like a Kansas

1578
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 7: city where yes, you're picking towards the bottom of the draft,

1579
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 7: but you also have a good team. You don't have

1580
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 7: a lot of critical, glaring needs that you probably have

1581
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 7: to fill maybe once or twice, but you can sit

1582
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 7: there and let the draft come to you and you're

1583
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 7: not forced to have to take I mean, I get it.

1584
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 7: If you're a rebuilding team, you need top five, top

1585
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 7: ten talent every year. And the Patriots are a great example.

1586
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 7: They've turned it around primarily on the backs of those

1587
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 7: guys that they drafted in the top half of the

1588
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 7: draft over the last few years. But you know, there

1589
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 7: is a certain advantage too when you're at the bottom

1590
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 7: of the draft and you say, oh, then you know

1591
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 7: Josh Simmons fell through. I know Josh Simmons probably made

1592
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 7: bad example right now Josh Simmons, But.

1593
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 2: In all seriousness that that's a I don't know what

1594
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 2: he's dealing with that personal thing. People seem to be

1595
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 2: really really concerned.

1596
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 7: Sounds serious, but at the time, and maybe it will

1597
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 7: eventually going forward like that's wow, they needed a left tackle.

1598
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 7: They stay patient, they got one. He's looked pretty good

1599
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 7: when he's been on the field. Now, I know there's

1600
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 7: other issues, you know, so I just I think there is.

1601
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 7: It's not like you're handcuffed to terrible talent and to

1602
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 7: you guys. You know, like there are good players all

1603
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 7: over the draft if you draft well.

1604
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I think I think Evan was

1605
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 2: sort of saying, well, you just think it's easy to

1606
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: do that. No, it's not. But when you're good, it's

1607
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 2: easier to stay. I think it's easier to be good

1608
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: than it is to just completely build it from the

1609
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 2: studs up. I think that's hard. Yeah, I think you

1610
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 2: have good players and you do what you say said

1611
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: and you're augmenting. Yeah, you know your level of talent.

1612
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,839
Speaker 2: It's is at a higher level. It should be easier,

1613
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 2: not harder.

1614
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 7: Well, it's like maybe we don't need the best tight

1615
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 7: end in the draft class.

1616
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: But guess what the best draft end. This best tight

1617
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: end in the.

1618
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 7: Draft class just fell to you at twenty eight and

1619
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 7: all right, all of a sudden, now you know, and

1620
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 7: that's a little bit like I felt with you know,

1621
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 7: like a pick like Jamior Gibbs, like for the Lions, like,

1622
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 7: you know, did they have to take a running back.

1623
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: And like the top twelve or whatever? It was like

1624
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: probably not.

1625
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 7: But now you have an opportunity where your line's in

1626
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 7: good shape. You like what you're doing on defense. You

1627
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 7: know you have some talent and you know now the.

1628
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: Line is they're good players and when you if if

1629
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 2: you hit the picks, you know, Noael would be sitting

1630
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 2: there like like if Jalen Polk turned out to be

1631
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: as good as a Mecca Abuka, you didn't know would

1632
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 2: be saying if they didn't win those games, they would

1633
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: have had a higher draft pick. You know, like, no,

1634
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 2: you picked the wrong guy. If he was Lad McConkie.

1635
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: Let's use it for apples to apples. That was the

1636
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: guy that was available. I got right. Yep, you just

1637
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: have It's not easy. I'm not suggesting that you just

1638
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 2: wave a magic Wand Bill did it really well for

1639
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 2: a long time and then he couldn't do it at all.

1640
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: So it's not easy even for the best who's ever

1641
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 2: done it well.

1642
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 7: That was the other part of that argument that you know,

1643
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 7: it's like, yeah, Bill did it until he didn't do

1644
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 7: it and then it started falling apart. And now it's

1645
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 7: the dam's got a number of cracks and you don't

1646
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 7: have a Rabes touche.

1647
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 6: How are we doing.

1648
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: Cleveland's defense the best you will have faced?

1649
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean I think just statistically in play style,

1650
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 17: you know, they're playing at a high level.

1651
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 6: They're playing a lot of confidence.

1652
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,560
Speaker 17: It's a lot of speed, a lot of disruption, and

1653
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 17: they don't give you a whole lot of time to

1654
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 17: make decisions.

1655
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 6: Uh.

1656
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 17: And then there's enough you know, change ups in there

1657
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 17: that you know you just have to be good.

1658
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 6: You have to be sound and you can't hold onto

1659
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 6: the ball.

1660
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 17: You know, coverage is sticky and the linebackers are fast

1661
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 17: side your your run defense. It doesn't matter when you

1662
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 17: finishing stats and metrics is with the list of the league.

1663
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 4: Aside from the obvious talent, what is allowed to be.

1664
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 6: So good for seven leagues?

1665
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 17: Well, I think that we've improved our tackling. We've improved

1666
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 17: continue to improve our technique, you know, and again it

1667
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 17: hasn't been perfect, but it's it's just about coaching edge

1668
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 17: wall and swarming and making sure that uh, you know,

1669
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 17: we do those things and you know we've done them.

1670
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 17: Sometimes we'll have to continue to do them. That's the

1671
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 17: thing about this league is you don't stats and metrics,

1672
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 17: numbers don't mean anything.

1673
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 6: You have to go out there and and be able

1674
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 6: to prove it.

1675
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 17: And I know that they'll have a good plan, uh

1676
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 17: for for how they want to run it. And it's

1677
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 17: a physical group of alignemen and their tight ends are

1678
01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 17: blocking well you know, and Quen Shawn is rushing you know,

1679
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 17: running hard physical So they've done a nice job.

1680
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 3: How was your block in your experience?

1681
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 9: How was a block?

1682
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 1: Handle?

1683
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 6: The level of success and good word the first of h.

1684
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 17: I mean, I think we always just try to stay consistent.

1685
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 17: We've tried to say keep that message going, try to

1686
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 17: have a you know, a new plan, new preparation, new

1687
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 17: opponent each and every week, you know, try to celebrate

1688
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 17: the success that we've had, but then clearly.

1689
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 6: Move on and and focus on the next challenge.

1690
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 17: And we'll have to do that this week, and uh,

1691
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 17: you know it's a big one, you know, coming back

1692
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 17: home and just making sure that you know, we don't

1693
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 17: take anything for granted in our preparation. This is a

1694
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 17: different unit, a different team than than Tennessee, and so

1695
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 17: that we have to just get going, learn them, learn

1696
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 17: a play style, uh, try to match their speed the

1697
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 17: best that we can in practice, and be ready to

1698
01:14:58,520 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 17: go for it.

1699
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 6: H On some why did you kill Murphy from the

1700
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 6: first time he pour?

1701
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 17: I just you know, he was a very productive college player,

1702
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 17: and you know he's improved his fourth down ability and

1703
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 17: has experience there.

1704
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 18: Kleon Jason was named the AFC Defender of the up

1705
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 18: the league.

1706
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: Just what have you seen from him this season and

1707
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 2: what does it mean for him to run that honor.

1708
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 17: I mean, he showed up in the offseason ready to

1709
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 17: learn and work and earn a role, and he's done that.

1710
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 17: And I would say that he's an important member of

1711
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 17: the punt team, something that he's taken very seriously since

1712
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 17: he got here and trying to do those things and

1713
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 17: help us on the punt team, and then taking advantage

1714
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:44,879
Speaker 17: of his opportunities.

1715
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 2: Like to speak good special teams as a teammate and

1716
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: a colleague overvent trouble.

1717
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: In the Quality's a demonstrated as a player and also

1718
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 1: as a coach that may make.

1719
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 6: Him a future head coach.

1720
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 17: A great competitive spirits as a player, I mean, he

1721
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 17: was a Tasmanian devil. Enjoyed a time with Bubba immensely

1722
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 17: and then being able to be with him in Cleveland

1723
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 17: last year. It was fun to just see his relationship

1724
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 17: and connections with the players. The way that he coaches,

1725
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 17: His energy is evaluation of players. So he's done a

1726
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 17: great job in his role and I'm sure that if

1727
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 17: presented with those opportunities he would he would do an

1728
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 17: amazing job with any head coaching opportunities that would come

1729
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 17: his way.

1730
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 7: Like you mentioned this offseason one play tag name coverage,

1731
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 7: it feels like the past couple of weeks, you guys

1732
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 7: have kind of gotten away from that as they go

1733
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 7: more of a product of the game plan or your execution.

1734
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 6: Would actually play man probably a little bit of both.

1735
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 17: So when we play man, we got to not let

1736
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 17: our man catch the ball, and we got to be

1737
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 17: able to get to the quarterback and force them to,

1738
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 17: you know, to get rid of it maybe before those

1739
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 17: routes can separate or run away.

1740
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 19: On CP's question, a lot of times coaches say that

1741
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 19: how teams responds success and adversity, and coaches that we

1742
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 19: can see like how that how that translates. Have you

1743
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 19: noticed anything specifically where you're interested to see how this

1744
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 19: team would deal with success when you guys started stacking

1745
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 19: you know.

1746
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 17: Fans, Well, first off, I don't know who CP is.

1747
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 17: I apologize, I know Chris. I just didn't know CP.

1748
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're just I don't really.

1749
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 17: We've tried to keep it the same and we've tried

1750
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 17: to coach the same. We've tried to show them the

1751
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 17: things that they've done well and that we have to

1752
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 17: continue to do and enhance, show them the things that

1753
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 17: we have to improve on and then eliminate the stuff

1754
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 17: that that's going to get us beat coming out of

1755
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 17: that game, and show them the corrections and the emphasis

1756
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 17: that we put on the run game and the things

1757
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 17: that we when we did it well, when we didn't

1758
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 17: do it well, you know, Coach ball security, coach our identity,

1759
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 17: our identity every single day.

1760
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:02,600
Speaker 6: I don't know how else to do it. No, I

1761
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 6: just you know, I mean.

1762
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 17: It's you kind of just got to stay consistent and

1763
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 17: focus on these things and you know, practice it every day.

1764
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: Sorry.

1765
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 9: So you've been around Jim Schwartz last year obviously in.

1766
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: Tennessee to talk about identity.

1767
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 19: What would you how would you describe against his preferred

1768
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 19: identity defense?

1769
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 17: Well, they're fast, you know, I mean, they're they're disruptive,

1770
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,959
Speaker 17: you know, they they they put pressure on the quarterback

1771
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 17: and they do it through through their their players and

1772
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 17: their identity, you know, I mean they're they're they understand

1773
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 17: what they want to do and how they want to play,

1774
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 17: and they want to force into mistakes.

1775
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 6: Uh. If if you give up loose.

1776
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 17: Plays or guys get on the edge of somebody or somebody,

1777
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 17: you know, you've got an elite edge rusher on the outside,

1778
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 17: and if you know you can't step up, it's gonna

1779
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 17: be hard to to protect, you know. And then the

1780
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 17: corners are going to be sticky, and you know, the

1781
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,799
Speaker 17: linebacker are all can run. Safeties are very good tacklers.

1782
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 17: And that's the thing that I've noticed is that you know,

1783
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 17: if a ball breaks, it's eight yards is a really

1784
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 17: long run for this against this team, because the safeties

1785
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 17: are such good tacklers, you know, Grant and Ronnie.

1786
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 19: What goes into winning a home game versus a road

1787
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 19: game over years of football?

1788
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 6: Can it be?

1789
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 9: Can it be somewhat of a distraction being back home?

1790
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 6: No? I don't think the numbers would tell you that.

1791
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 17: I don't know.

1792
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 6: I mean, I think you play well, and you take

1793
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 6: care of football.

1794
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 17: Create some explosive plays, get off the field on third down,

1795
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 17: score touchdowns in the red zone. I would say that

1796
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 17: no matter where you are, what time zone you're in,

1797
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 17: that those things would always translate, and you know, maybe

1798
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 17: the defensive communication would have to be improved or maybe

1799
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 17: eye contact their hand signals as opposed to being able

1800
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 17: to hear you know. I mean, if you're playing well

1801
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,759
Speaker 17: enough and your fans are into it, and there's it's loud,

1802
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 17: you know, I mean communicating different things that are happening

1803
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 17: that don't happen on the road. You could practically yell

1804
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 17: out to the defense on the road as quiet as

1805
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 17: as it is allowed.

1806
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 19: Drake may be so appry.

1807
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 6: I mean I think that I think receivers are helping him.

1808
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 17: I think that the the ability to step up in

1809
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 17: a pocket. But you know, I probably you know, special

1810
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 17: talent as well, maybe staying calm and the things that

1811
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 17: they've worked on and he's practiced as far as when

1812
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 17: he's on the move, you know, to be able to

1813
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 17: still gilt, stay in phase and not open up his

1814
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,719
Speaker 17: body or let things, you know, get loose, which would

1815
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 17: lead lead to an erratic or an errant throw.

1816
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 19: Like we have a nasty about trail in a while,

1817
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 19: Just what if anything in the way of an update

1818
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 19: can you end?

1819
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 17: I would say that his spirits are good, he's feeling good,

1820
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 17: he's been in he's been meeting with coaches, been in meetings.

1821
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 6: So I appreciate you asking, you.

1822
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 17: Know, and there'll be a treatment plan here coming up,

1823
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 17: uh that he'll have to follow. But right now, it's

1824
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 17: good to see him. It's good to see him in

1825
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 17: and his you know, spirits are good.

1826
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 6: You've played against some of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

1827
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 2: Are Marino Elway played with the greatest quarterback of all time?

1828
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: We just straight may fit into that conversation right now.

1829
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 17: I mean I never played those guys when they were

1830
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 17: that young, but I did play against those guys. I

1831
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 17: mean I played against Dan Marino when his cleat was

1832
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 17: like twelve inches high because of his achilles and it

1833
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 17: was on the dirt infield. Yeah, I you know, too

1834
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 17: early in his career to understand. I think Drake's so

1835
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 17: excited just to be leading this football team and it's

1836
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 17: fun to watch him want to, you know, prepare and

1837
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 17: get better and improve every day. You got another question

1838
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 17: to I know you were kidding, what I mean, if

1839
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 17: you've ever seen a quarterback get this hot for such

1840
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 17: an extended period.

1841
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 6: I try not to focus on that.

1842
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 17: I think we focus on what's going on this week

1843
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 17: and what corrections need to be made. And the good

1844
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 17: thing is is there's a lot of things that we

1845
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 17: can improve. There's so much that we can improve in

1846
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 17: all three phases right and still be able to win

1847
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 17: a football game. But we have to to improve on

1848
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 17: them and correct them, you know, or we're gonna The

1849
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 17: unfortunate part is is you're gonna have to learn from losing,

1850
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 17: and I don't want to do that.

1851
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,839
Speaker 19: Like, what are ongoing conversations and Drake about the slide,

1852
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:38,719
Speaker 19: you know, any.

1853
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 1: Contacts when he can is there? What are the conversations

1854
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: like is in an ongoing process with him.

1855
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:45,719
Speaker 3: Mark.

1856
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 17: I know we talked to him about making great decisions

1857
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 17: like the rest of the team, and that would be

1858
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 17: a good decision for him to make. But again, like

1859
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 17: all the other conversations we have with players, those will

1860
01:22:58,840 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 17: remain with us.

1861
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 6: But that's part of making great decisions. Thanks guys, Thanks Mike.

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Speaker 11: People who have that talent are generally really good at

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Speaker 11: Do you think that helps you? Your musical knowledge helps

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Speaker 4: What are you laughing at over there?

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Speaker 11: Well, I thought I did.

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Speaker 1: I said, do you read music? Yeah? I said, because

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Speaker 1: I know you paint by number? I know I caught that.

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Speaker 5: I ignored him, Fred, do you read music?

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Speaker 11: Because you're good at impressions too, So you have that gift.

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Speaker 1: I can play the harmonica by year? There you go, yeah,

1916
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Speaker 1: and by my mouth. Oh but that's another great moment

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Speaker 1: from all right back here in Pages Unfiltered, Mike has

1918
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: gone to the locker room to go rescue Evan.

1919
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 2: We hope that to a wellness check. Yeah, I hope

1920
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 2: the players will be hoping to get Diggs. Diggs usually

1921
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: talks on Wednesdays. We'll see if Mike can get in

1922
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 2: on that one.

1923
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Speaker 1: So he'll return from the locker room and we'll talk

1924
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Speaker 1: to him.

1925
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Speaker 2: You have any thoughts on Vrabel today kind of run

1926
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 2: in the mill, I'll tell you very run of the

1927
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 2: mill it might be. And I said this in the

1928
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 2: postgame show Sunday after the game, and I mean this

1929
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 2: with the most respect, like it was kind of like

1930
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: a whole hum boring game, Like and how refreshing is

1931
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 2: it that we've progressed to the point where you go

1932
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 2: from four and two to five and two and it's

1933
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Speaker 2: just like business as usual. This is what was supposed

1934
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 2: to happen, right, you know, And I think Rabel's press

1935
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 2: conference today was a little of that. It's like, yeah,

1936
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 2: you know, we brought in a guy, Caleb Murphy. We

1937
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 2: probably should have mentioned that at some point, you know,

1938
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 2: they claimed him off waivers. I think we talked about

1939
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 2: him a little, Yester. There's just a guy with a

1940
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,679
Speaker 2: lot of production in college, you know, Edge Rusher, Uh,

1941
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 2: you know, but beyond that, just you know, Cleveland does

1942
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 2: a lot of things well defensively.

1943
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there weren't a lot of Cleveland questions you but

1944
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, no, you're right, And so I mean the

1945
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: media is kind of treating it like Hohome a little bit.

1946
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: So I guess that's good. Like I've always been one

1947
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: to say I don't need to be entertained when it

1948
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: comes to Patriots games. I want to blow out every team.

1949
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to be white knuckle. I'll leave that

1950
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: for all the other games. But obviously, when you have

1951
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 1: those white knuckle it's entertaining. I'm not going to say

1952
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: it isn't. But I'm perfectly happy winning thirty one to thirteen.

1953
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just I'm perfectly happy when my team

1954
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 2: plays well, and that's why I win thirty one thirteen.

1955
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Yep. Yeah. We had

1956
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 1: that Isaac from last week a lot yesterday who criticized

1957
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: the show wholeheartedly criticized me. I noticed nobody, nobody defended

1958
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: me when he was saying I had no knowledge of

1959
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: the team. But that's besides the point.

1960
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: Well I don't think it was no knowledge period. Well yeah,

1961
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 2: but they criticized everybody except for me. I felt left out.

1962
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: But Cynthia says, I'm fairly certain Isaac from Westfield's call

1963
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 1: was a cry for help. Don't change a thing. Okay,

1964
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: maybe the FedEx commercial and let Isaac know that therapy

1965
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: could help and friends, he needs friends, so, and then

1966
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: I was recommending neck bridges yesterday.

1967
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 2: I recall that as well.

1968
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, Aarun writes in Fred's chiding inspired me to brush

1969
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 1: off the old singlet and get some extra neckwork in

1970
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,719
Speaker 1: at the gym today. Keep fighting the good fight, Fred,

1971
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: all of them. That's Aaron and Tokyo.

1972
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 2: You do have a lot of fights going on.

1973
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: I do. It's okay, keeps you know, keeps me moving.

1974
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 2: I have the reputation, but you have a lot more

1975
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 2: in terms of grudges than I do.

1976
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yours are apt to get you in trouble.

1977
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: Mine not. Why am I going to because you know

1978
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 1: you get into conference You're not.

1979
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 2: I am not confrontational.

1980
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: Yes you are. No, I am, Yes you are. Yes

1981
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 1: you are.

1982
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm indifferent. There's a difference.

1983
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 1: Franklin and Baltimore has the all important question. Am I

1984
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: me emotionally prepared to lose this game?

1985
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 9: Oh?

1986
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 2: That is a great question, remember those Yeah, I'm not,

1987
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 2: by the way, and I have to say that I

1988
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 2: am you, Yes, I am. Well, we're halfway through the

1989
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 2: week of shows. I mean more than halfway at this point.

1990
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 2: I am just throwing this on me.

1991
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: Now, I'm emotionally prepared to lose. I don't want to lose.

1992
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 6: To lose.

1993
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 2: Clock comes around tomorrow.

1994
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 1: If we lose, I'm not going to be like, I

1995
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,759
Speaker 1: can't believe we lost that game. How did it happen?

1996
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be that. I don't know.

1997
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 2: If I would say I can't believe it, I don't

1998
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 2: know how that happened, you know, but i'd be close. Yeah,

1999
01:29:58,680 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 2: i'd be close.

2000
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

2001
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 2: The only thing I would say, you know, Evan has

2002
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 2: been really dismissive of Cleveland, and I wouldn't go as

2003
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 2: far as he has. I don't think that the Patriots

2004
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 2: would need to do what they did against Pittsburgh and

2005
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 2: turn it over five times, like I think one or two.

2006
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 2: You know, if if they had one or two, you

2007
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 2: could lose because they could slow you down a little bit.

2008
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 2: They could help Cleveland score some points. You don't have

2009
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 2: to help them score all the points. Yeah, and they

2010
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 2: you know, they could pull an up set. I just

2011
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 2: this is just no offense there. This is a really

2012
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 2: bad offense. Jack, and I'm not emotionally prepared to lose. Fred,

2013
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 2: You're alona that one.

2014
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: Okay, Jack? And and Abba has a stud or stiff

2015
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: Brown's edition, stutter stiff, Jerry Judy stiff, Dylan Gabriel.

2016
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 2: Stiff. I mean, I think it's too early to say,

2017
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 2: but I think.

2018
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: He's stutter stiff, Quin Shawn Judkins, Stud, Miles Garrett. I

2019
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: think we know Stud. Mason Graham.

2020
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 2: I don't know him. I haven't seen him play much.

2021
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: But Jerry's out. Jerry's still I haven't.

2022
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 2: Seen Cleveland play, so I don't know exactly what he's doing.

2023
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: Jerry's still out. Anthony writes in Paul maybe snarky, but

2024
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 1: he's very good at the debating aspect. He will not

2025
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 1: allow any of the fans who call her email to

2026
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 1: stray away from a specific arguing point. I think that

2027
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,719
Speaker 1: isn't he learned that from me. I think that isn't

2028
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: always easy. It is very good. Perfect example of this

2029
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: was the Christian in La call kudos to Paul, and

2030
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: Jason says he's in Savannah. He says the La guy

2031
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 1: is a dufus so self centered. He thinks he's self centered.

2032
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 1: I could see that.

2033
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 2: Like I said, he you can have an argument and

2034
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 2: disagree or agree or whatever. I did not change my

2035
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 2: argument in the middle right, and that's what he's claiming. Like, Oh,

2036
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 2: you just want to make fun of me when I call,

2037
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 2: and then a half hour later you're agreeing with me.

2038
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 2: I don't agree with wanting to lose. I don't agree

2039
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 2: with being war that they're not quite as good? Are

2040
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 2: they not quite as good as their record? Maybe? But

2041
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it. Right, win, win the games,

2042
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,640
Speaker 2: take advantage of the schedule, and why not.

2043
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: To that point, Corey writes in if we get to

2044
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 1: a point where our biggest worry becomes drafting lower on

2045
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: the board and sustaining future success, I will take that

2046
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: every time. The fact that we have to focus on

2047
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: sustaining success means we are experiencing success. After the last

2048
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 1: couple of four win seasons, it seems weird to worry

2049
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 1: about a few lower round draft picks that may or

2050
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 1: may not be good players.

2051
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kind of what I'm what I'm

2052
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 2: going on, You know what, you want something to worry about,

2053
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 2: just like looking at to manufacture things to be concerned about.

2054
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 2: I heard on my show yesterday, you know, at Felger

2055
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 2: and Big Jim Murray, they were talking a little bit

2056
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 2: about the draft class, like this current draft class not

2057
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 2: a good one. Well, the jury is still out. Okay,

2058
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 2: we don't know enough yet, but like the early returns

2059
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 2: are just okay, like they're not great.

2060
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: Oh oh are Yeah? I thought you meant the future

2061
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: draft class for next year.

2062
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 2: No, I mean like Will Campbell's been okay, yeah, no, no,

2063
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 2: it's you know, yeah, Traveon Henderson has been you know, minimally.

2064
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:11,679
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams not too Kyle.

2065
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:16,839
Speaker 2: Williams, you know, not great. You know the Craig Woodson

2066
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 2: has been a starter and he plays all the time,

2067
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 2: but he's just.

2068
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: Okay, was Bora gollisworth the pick?

2069
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 2: I don't you know my answer to that? No, I

2070
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 2: think he's a good kicker.

2071
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 6: So well.

2072
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 2: The rest of them, you don't have to draft them.

2073
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 2: All the kickers are the same. They tell you that

2074
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 2: all the time. There is three or four that stand

2075
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,719
Speaker 2: out among the rest, like Brandon Aubery, who's now made

2076
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 2: five sixty plus yard field goals, which is amazing. That guy. Yeah,

2077
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 2: if you drafted him, sure that's worth it. That's a weapon.

2078
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 2: The rest of them are all kind of the same.

2079
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 2: But you want something to worry about, like, wet is

2080
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 2: this class going to live up to the right because

2081
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 2: we already look at the twenty four class, the Drake

2082
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 2: May class and it's really just Rake May. Yep, that

2083
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 2: ain't good. But when you have the third overall pick, No,

2084
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 2: when you have the third overall pick was the year

2085
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 2: before you you're picking third in the round all every round?

2086
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 2: Or are you're picking in the top five in the round.

2087
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 2: I know sometimes it rotates depending on ties. You need

2088
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 2: to get more than one good player.

2089
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yep, Chris and main. I agree with Paul

2090
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: about winning as much as possible, not worrying about higher

2091
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 1: picks the build or sustain up. The better example for

2092
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 1: his argument, in my opinion, is the round the ROMs.

2093
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,679
Speaker 1: They went like five years without a first round pick,

2094
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,879
Speaker 1: yet have consistently found good players to stay good.

2095
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,719
Speaker 2: In the draft. Two. Yes, that's a great, great point

2096
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 2: that there's more team like. I'm glad these emailers are

2097
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 2: helping me because I'm not even thinking of all the

2098
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 2: different teams. I just like threw out like Baltimore and Pittsburgh,

2099
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,959
Speaker 2: but like Philadelphia that we had Audrey I think emailed

2100
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 2: in that one is another good one. The Rams, like

2101
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 2: those those defensive players weren't top five picks if they

2102
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 2: got that defense with you know with Verse and uh,

2103
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,879
Speaker 2: you know Fisk and those guys, they've been good players

2104
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 2: for them.

2105
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 1: Steven in Virginia writes in to Evans's point about the

2106
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 1: potential missed opportunities that come with drafting later in the draft,

2107
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 1: with the Lions as his example. In the twenty twenty

2108
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: three draft, Detroit had the twelfth and eighteenth pick in

2109
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 1: the first round. They took Gibbs twelve, Campbell eighteen. There

2110
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 1: were zero running backs taken the rest of the first round.

2111
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,759
Speaker 1: The next taken win fifty two overall, and the next

2112
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 1: linebacker taken was Nolan Smith at thirty. Really an edge

2113
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 1: not a true linebacker. It's impossible to know how the

2114
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: draft would have played out if they had different picks

2115
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: that first round, but it also isn't impossible that they

2116
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 1: could have gotten one or even both of them if

2117
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: they were picking say sixteen and twenty three, instead resulting

2118
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:51,600
Speaker 1: from one or two more wins that season. The Commanders

2119
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 1: only had five picks in last year's draft, with only

2120
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 1: three in the top one fifty. They added Tunsul and

2121
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 1: Debo via trade, but that, to me is a clear

2122
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: high risk team building strategy that the Patriots should look at.

2123
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: And probably avoid this offseason. Winning is most important. Establishing

2124
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 1: a good culture that expects to win and compete is

2125
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 1: most important, because then players around the league want to

2126
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 1: come here. The players here get experience actually winning close games,

2127
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 1: and when you add free agency or draft picks, it

2128
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 1: becomes easier to get buy in when the rest of

2129
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 1: the team has an established standard that is sustainable. There

2130
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 1: you go. Once you forward that to.

2131
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 2: Evan, yeah, I mean I the first part, and I

2132
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 2: know he wasn't saying this, Like, you don't know how

2133
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 2: Jamier Gibbs, how long he would have been available. He

2134
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 2: was a highly regarded player in that draft. Jack Campbell

2135
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 2: they could have gotten. They could have waited and gotten

2136
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 2: Jack Campbell. I'm not suggesting that it's not good to

2137
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 2: draft high. I'm just saying that's not the only way

2138
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 2: to get good players. You have to hit the picks

2139
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 2: wherever you take them. You have to hit some picks right.

2140
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 1: Right, invest in good scouting department.

2141
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,560
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you just brought up Booty a

2142
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 2: little while ago. They got Booty and Douglas in the

2143
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 2: sixth round three years ago, and you know they took

2144
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams in the third round they took Jalen Polk

2145
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 2: in the second round. You know the guys they took

2146
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 2: in the sixth round three years ago of playing better.

2147
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 2: That's right, Like you just you never know when you're

2148
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 2: going to find players.

2149
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 1: Uh eight five five Pats five hundred is the hotline again.

2150
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 1: Deucibly back with news from the locker room. We'll have

2151
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: an eye on Evan. We'll see what happened in there.

2152
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 1: Raheem in Georgia is on the line. What's up, Raheem Rahim,

2153
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 1: Georgia four or four? Nope, not there?

2154
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 2: Okay, but you thrown out the area code?

2155
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: Oh I got that from this morning? Did you're here?

2156
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: On the one of your shows, they had this guy

2157
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 1: that works he's I don't know if he's an intern

2158
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 1: or back, but he used to work for the four

2159
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 1: one one, you know how they used to call on

2160
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 1: a person. So this kid they quizzed him and he

2161
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,759
Speaker 1: knew all the area codes all over the country.

2162
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 2: Really.

2163
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they go like San Antonio, be like eight one two,

2164
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, or then they go eight one two and

2165
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:19,480
Speaker 1: he goes San Antonio.

2166
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 2: That's amazing.

2167
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he knew all the area codes. It was fun.

2168
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 1: Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred? Oh god?

2169
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 7: Hey, hey Paul, Yes, sir.

2170
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 16: You like me very confrontational.

2171
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:40,600
Speaker 3: Hey, I love it.

2172
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:41,679
Speaker 10: I love argument.

2173
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 2: I'm not as confrontational as Fred is me confrontational.

2174
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 13: But Fred Afred you do it, you man, You're sneaky

2175
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 13: at it though.

2176
01:38:53,080 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm an instigator. Paul's a finisher, an instigator.

2177
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 9: Are you I need my T shirt?

2178
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 1: Oh? You need your T shirt? Okay? Alex? Yeah, Ronnie,

2179
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:11,240
Speaker 1: you just gotta send us your.

2180
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 9: Last week I said thirty one thirteen.

2181
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 2: There you go, send them a T shirt?

2182
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 6: You go.

2183
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: What's your size? Aldrid?

2184
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 2: Send the man his T shirt? What do you need

2185
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 2: for a size? Biggie?

2186
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,640
Speaker 1: Two weeks two x two? As they sitting down in

2187
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 1: that truck too long? Big boy gotta start doing those planks, all.

2188
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 14: Right, flanks and what everything else?

2189
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 6: All right?

2190
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: Emailing your emailing your address?

2191
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he still take care of you.

2192
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 1: All right? Okay, thanks, Aldrid.

2193
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 2: What's the score this week?

2194
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 10: Go this week?

2195
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2196
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 16: Man, I'm sitting at Deepen, so I'm gonna say twenty twenty.

2197
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: Three twenty to okay, okay, you don't think all right?

2198
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 2: All right?

2199
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,919
Speaker 1: That sounds good to me. I'll take it, Thanks, Eldrid.

2200
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I'll take that. Ted's in San Diego. What's up?

2201
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 6: Ted?

2202
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:05,640
Speaker 11: All?

2203
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:10,719
Speaker 3: Hey, Freddy Paul. Just three quick comments, first of which

2204
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 3: was the stumble by cam Wood when he flipped the

2205
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 3: ball back into the end zone was reminiscent of back

2206
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 3: in the early seventies. I'm not sure if Paul do

2207
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 3: you remember this, but there was a running back name

2208
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 3: John Tarver, and he almost did the exact same thing

2209
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 3: where he was running with the ball and just flipped

2210
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:30,560
Speaker 3: it over his head into the end zone and was

2211
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 3: recovered by BuNos. Remembered, was very reminiscent.

2212
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: Similar play reminds me of Gario PREMI.

2213
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't have to go back that far. I

2214
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 2: could go back to the plate that cam Wood made

2215
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,200
Speaker 2: in the previous game. He did the exact same thing

2216
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 2: against the Raiders.

2217
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 3: Yeah right, SoC Second quick observation as well, a couple

2218
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 3: of days ago, I guess I asked it was yesterday

2219
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 3: when you guys were having was going over some of

2220
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 3: the potential inductees that builds up against and one of

2221
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 3: the names he mentioned this is quick comment Bill Arnsbarger,

2222
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 3: which I know you guys remember, but I think that

2223
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 3: Bill let's be the architect of the fifty three defense.

2224
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 3: At least I think he was. And if that's true,

2225
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 3: that's like one of the legendary teams and defenses. And

2226
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 3: I think I believe that fifty three defense was the

2227
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 3: initiation for the first time of a fourth linebacker, because

2228
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 3: I think most teams played a four to three and

2229
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 3: I think when they brought in that fifty three I

2230
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 3: think it his name was Mathison and something like that,

2231
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 3: he became the fourth linebacker. So and I believe that

2232
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 3: Arnsbarker was the architect of that. And then my last

2233
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 3: comment and alog you guys going thanks for the moment,

2234
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 3: is you know, whenever you and Paul, I think you

2235
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 3: mentioned that the four team of the six team is

2236
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:50,759
Speaker 3: being the greatest team. And maybe it's because of my youth,

2237
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 3: but I still think about that seventy six team. Even

2238
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,720
Speaker 3: though they did not win, they beat the Steelers, who

2239
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 3: were a legendary team back then, and they beat the

2240
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 3: Raiders during this season.

2241
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: Yep.

2242
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 3: And I still think that seventy sixteen was the greatest

2243
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 3: pass team of all time with a number of Hall

2244
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:08,560
Speaker 3: of Famers and legendary Patriots.

2245
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 2: It's in the conversation for sure. That's probably my first

2246
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 2: memories of watching Patriots games was that team. Thanks Ted

2247
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:20,519
Speaker 2: and Bill Ansberger was a great defensive coach. I don't

2248
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 2: know anything about you know fifty three. I don't even

2249
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 2: know what that is, to be honest with you, I

2250
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 2: don't know anything about the history of that. But yeah,

2251
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 2: I did correct Evan when he didn't know the guys. Now,

2252
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:36,400
Speaker 2: oh you know, that's a that's a legitimate defensive newby coach.

2253
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 1: Newby newby John in South Carolina. I do feel like

2254
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: Paul disagrees with Christian from LA and I want to

2255
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 1: thank him for doing it.

2256
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 2: I do tend to disagree with him. I'm not denying that.

2257
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:54,679
Speaker 1: Let's see, this is a long one, so I don't

2258
01:42:54,680 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 1: want to read that. Martin not a Kansas. I'm enjoying

2259
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: the second half of the shows on Wednesday with the

2260
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:06,560
Speaker 1: two of you. Okay, it's just the two.

2261
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 2: Of us, you know, because the original is always the best.

2262
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 1: I haven't had this feeling in a while. I'm more

2263
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 1: worried about the next two games after the Browns. They

2264
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 1: might not be an easy check off the schedule, but

2265
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,759
Speaker 1: still penciled in a win. Also, if you're more worried

2266
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:24,440
Speaker 1: about draft pick position than winning. That's a loser's mentality.

2267
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 1: This is why the Patriots have a scouting team, Elliot

2268
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 1: Wolf as well as the scouting staff to find the

2269
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 1: players that fit the culture. Yeah, let them worried.

2270
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 2: It's not going to be easy, but that's what Yeah,

2271
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:39,280
Speaker 2: those guys, that's what they get paid for. Brian Cowden,

2272
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf, whoever ends up being you know, part of this,

2273
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 2: the you know, the scouting department, that's that they need

2274
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 2: to find players regardless of what we're picking.

2275
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:52,960
Speaker 1: Uh, Brian and Swansea with a midweek game. This game

2276
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 1: is called Cleveland Quarterback or Game of Thrones cast member. Okay,

2277
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 1: this game was inspired upon reflection on how lucky we

2278
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 1: are to have apparently found our guy at quarterback in

2279
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:06,879
Speaker 1: a relatively short period of time. After Tom Brady's departure.

2280
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:10,559
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns have had thirty three different players start at

2281
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:13,639
Speaker 1: quarterback over the last twenty seasons. I'm going to list

2282
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 1: a name and the panel simply has to indicate whether

2283
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:20,680
Speaker 1: he started at quarterback for the Browns or was an

2284
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 1: actor in the Game of Thrones. So not a character

2285
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 1: but an actor.

2286
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 2: Okay, jeez, this is going to come down to whether

2287
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 2: or not I know he was a quarterback for the Browns.

2288
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:31,599
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2289
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,719
Speaker 2: Connor Shaw quarterback for the Browns.

2290
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:42,759
Speaker 1: Correct. Rory McCann, I'm gonna guess Game of Thrones, that's correct.

2291
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 1: Kevin Hogan, Stanford quarterback for the Browns. Correct. Thaddeus Lewis

2292
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 1: another Browns quarterback, yes, Deshown Kaiser.

2293
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:57,799
Speaker 2: Another Browns quarterback, Notre Dame.

2294
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:00,040
Speaker 1: That's right, Freddy Stroma.

2295
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess Game of Thrones, correct.

2296
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:03,839
Speaker 1: And finally Austin Davis.

2297
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:07,800
Speaker 2: That's another Browns quarterback out of balls one hundred.

2298
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 1: Sorry, uh, this is Brian Boy. You tried, but you

2299
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 1: didn't do it. You couldn't stump to Schwab.

2300
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 2: I liked that game though. Yeah, that's a good one

2301
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 2: because some of those names were really obscure.

2302
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had mostly Cleveland. I think he only

2303
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 1: had two Game of Thrones people, so I.

2304
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 2: Think, yeah, I mean most of it's Yeah. I guess

2305
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 2: you could go either way. Yeah, because the actors names

2306
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 2: are well known, but that the guys who actually played

2307
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 2: quarterback on the brown should be known too. I got

2308
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:41,600
Speaker 2: any bonus points for knowing that something where some of

2309
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:42,719
Speaker 2: those guys went to college.

2310
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:45,880
Speaker 1: I was listening to that. You do get bonus points

2311
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 1: for that. Yep, let's see. Kudos to Gerrod Mayo. This

2312
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 1: is Gary from Football City, USA, which is rock Hill,

2313
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Yes, you heard it right. Forever thankful for

2314
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 1: Gerard Mayo. If Gerard did not win the last regular

2315
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,599
Speaker 1: season game last year, we would be sitting with Caleb

2316
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 1: Williams as our quarterback instead of Drake. Patriots fans were

2317
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 1: livid when we lost the number one PA. Stop for

2318
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:15,000
Speaker 1: a second, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

2319
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 2: I don't know how this started, but this is just

2320
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 2: patently wrong. When they won the last game of the

2321
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:26,480
Speaker 2: year last year, Drake may was standing on the sidelines

2322
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 2: watching the game. Winning the game did not prevent them

2323
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:32,919
Speaker 2: from drafting Caleb Williams.

2324
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 1: It didn't.

2325
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 2: He had been drafted the previous season, two picks before

2326
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 2: Drake may was. It's not the same year. I don't

2327
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 2: know why everybody gets this wrong. My show gets it

2328
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,599
Speaker 2: wrong quite often, right in the morning one of my show.

2329
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 2: It's not the show that I'm usually on. Yep, seriously,

2330
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:54,560
Speaker 2: that you have the years are off. In all seriousness,

2331
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 2: do you understand what I'm saying? Because you're looking you're

2332
01:46:56,479 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 2: looking at me a little confused. Right, last year, the

2333
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 2: Patriots already he had Drake May. He's not a rookie

2334
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 2: right now, right, he was already on the team last year.

2335
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 2: Winning the game against Gerard May or winning the Buffalo game,

2336
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,719
Speaker 2: did not do anything to Drake May. He was already

2337
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 2: on the Patriots.

2338
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:12,480
Speaker 1: He was already on the Patriots.

2339
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:16,439
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yep, this public service announcement is over.

2340
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 1: So let's just say that the Patriots had had the

2341
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:26,920
Speaker 1: first round pick, the first overall pick, in the year

2342
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:31,719
Speaker 1: that they drafted Drake May, who was the quarterback picked

2343
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 1: ahead of him.

2344
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 2: And when Drake May was drafted, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels,

2345
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 2: Drake May won two three.

2346
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 1: Okay, So why couldn't they have drafted Caleb Williams. They

2347
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 1: had the third pick, I know, But if they had

2348
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,440
Speaker 1: the first pick, could they have drafted.

2349
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 2: If they had the first pick, they could have. It

2350
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with beating Buffalo, to do.

2351
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 1: With beating Buffalo. I see what you're saying. It's a

2352
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:56,800
Speaker 1: different year. I see what you're saying.

2353
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:59,160
Speaker 2: Okay, they had the third pick the year they picked

2354
01:47:59,240 --> 01:47:59,639
Speaker 2: Drake May.

2355
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:00,800
Speaker 1: They didn't.

2356
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 2: They had nothing to do with winning the last game.

2357
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 1: Didn't pick Drake May this year?

2358
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:07,559
Speaker 2: Is what bank Bill Belichick for going four and thirteen

2359
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:09,000
Speaker 2: that allowed you to get Drake May.

2360
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:12,599
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go now. But I think

2361
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:16,679
Speaker 1: the question just just to talk about it. If they

2362
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: had the choice of Caleb Williams or Drake May, who

2363
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:20,799
Speaker 1: do you think this staff would have picked?

2364
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:26,560
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea. I really can't intelligence or

2365
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 2: Jade Daniels for that matter. If they had their choice

2366
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 2: of any of the quarterbacks, who would they have taken?

2367
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Well, let's thank god that they

2368
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:37,200
Speaker 1: picked Drake May and they only had one choice.

2369
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 2: I would agree with that they didn't really have. I

2370
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 2: think the choices were those top three guys and the

2371
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 2: other three guys that went in the first round. I

2372
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 2: don't think we're legitimate options. Had three, now you could.

2373
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 2: I think you can make an argument that they had

2374
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 2: a legitimate option to take a trade. I think the

2375
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:58,760
Speaker 2: Giants wanted to move up. I think Minnesota wanted to

2376
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:02,679
Speaker 2: move up. I think you could have said r J. McCary,

2377
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 2: take a couple of you know, we'll take a couple

2378
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:07,439
Speaker 2: of picks for you to move up, and we can

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01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:10,639
Speaker 2: take you know, the next quarterback, right, you know, whether

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Speaker 2: it be Pennix or McCarthy or Nicks. I don't think

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01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 2: any of those three guys was a legitimate option at

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Speaker 2: number three overall? Would you agree?

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Speaker 1: I agree? Yeah.

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01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:23,360
Speaker 2: Now, if they had their choice of any of those three,

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Speaker 2: I probably think they would have taken Caleb Williams. But

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't really know. I don't. Yeah, that's one of

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Speaker 1: those you never really Why do you think people are

2389
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 1: getting that wrong?

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Speaker 2: And there I don't think because they said it on

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Speaker 2: the Sports Hub. John Wallack said it one day. I

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Speaker 2: think I told you about this like three weeks ago. Like,

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Speaker 2: I can't believe that they're actually saying this, and no

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Speaker 2: one's like stepping into correct it.

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Speaker 6: It's like.

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Speaker 1: From the locker room, what was the mood where the

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Speaker 1: player's friendly to that, none of them, like Henry, what

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01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 1: was it like like Mike, Hey, guys, you come in

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Speaker 1: with a big smile.

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Speaker 13: Sorry.

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01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 7: It just cracks me up every time and I feel

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01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 7: slightly bad.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I thought it was something that happened a lot. No, well,

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01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 1: it probably looked like he was making a really important

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01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 1: point and then we just we cut him right off.

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01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 2: For some reason, there seems to be confusion because they

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01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:20,960
Speaker 2: won the game. Thank god they won the game last year,

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01:50:21,120 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 2: the last game, because that allowed them to get the

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Speaker 2: fourth pick instead of the first pick, and they did.

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Speaker 2: They would have taken Caleb Williams instead of Drake May

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, oh instead of Drake and O. Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 2: they're off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whoops.

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01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 7: That happens from time to time. But yes, back from

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01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 7: the locker room. Heard from Stefan Diggs, as we always do,

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01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 7: always enjoy that. I thought young Evans are asked the

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01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:46,000
Speaker 7: questions just about his leadership and you know where that

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01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 7: came from, and that was interesting thing said.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's why they brought me in too, you know,

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Speaker 1: to be a leader.

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Speaker 7: And he pointed to Matt Collins as well as providing

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Speaker 7: some leadership from that room.

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Speaker 1: I know there's the point we've talked a lot about that.

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Speaker 7: Those guys have really you know, brought a good energy

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01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 7: to that room and you're seeing some production, he pointed

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01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,280
Speaker 7: to to the younger players, you know, showing leadership, stepping up,

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Speaker 7: being competitive.

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01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 2: So good stuff from Diggs.

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Speaker 7: You know, also talking about you know, winning at home

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01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 7: and you know, just trying to stay sharp and keep

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01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 7: it rolling. And her from Will Campbell as well. I

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01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 7: thought a good question from Phil Perry. You know, it's

2433
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 7: seven weeks in. Do you feel like you've proved some

2434
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,200
Speaker 7: people wrong? There were some questions about your you know,

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Speaker 7: arm link and those kind of things, and what position

2436
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 7: you might play, and Will Campbell said, you know, to

2437
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 7: be honest, I never really approached anything about proving anyone wrong.

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01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 7: Like none of that pre draft talk helped helped me

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01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 7: in any way. I've just been focused on coming in

2440
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:34,559
Speaker 7: here and trying to help the team.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, I thought he was going to say,

2442
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 2: well it takes three years, right, He's like, no, I

2443
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:40,280
Speaker 2: felt that way after the second game.

2444
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:42,719
Speaker 1: But he also told the story that her before.

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01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:44,479
Speaker 7: He told on one of the radio on the podcasts

2446
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Speaker 7: you Want about someone sending him the t Rex and

2447
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:50,759
Speaker 7: asking for an autograph and and they said.

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Speaker 1: You know, Dann Roach was like, well, what did you

2449
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Speaker 1: do when you got it?

2450
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:54,559
Speaker 7: That kind of take your back saying no, I checked

2451
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 7: the return address though, and it was in his locker somewhere.

2452
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Speaker 7: But and then the last one was calebon Cha. I

2453
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,760
Speaker 7: saw im just talking about winning AFC.

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Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the week first touchdown of his career.

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01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 7: He said some of his he's getting a lot of

2456
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 7: flak from some of his teammates about not having a

2457
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 7: sack dance, and he's like, you know.

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01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna come up with a new sack dance now.

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01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 1: He's like, no, man, I'm six years in.

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01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:17,280
Speaker 7: So he was excited, sent the touchdown ball back to

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01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:20,559
Speaker 7: his mom, who was excited to receive it, and otherwise

2462
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 7: just another good day of energy.

2463
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 1: Getting ready to head.

2464
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:23,960
Speaker 2: Out there to the practice fields.

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01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 7: Felt huge media contingent again, just I mean, crowded in

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01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 7: around Stefan Diggs.

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01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:31,400
Speaker 1: It's anyone new and notable.

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01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 7: I don't know about notable so much as but no,

2469
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:36,040
Speaker 7: it's it's just it, you know what it is.

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01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:38,639
Speaker 1: It always seems like the TV producers are the ones growing.

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01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 1: Like the beat.

2472
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 7: Guys are always there, you know who writes about the team,

2473
01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 7: there here for everything. But you slowly start to see

2474
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:48,679
Speaker 7: more cameras and more producer types, not necessarily asking questions,

2475
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 7: but guys there with their cameras holding the mics and

2476
01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 7: so yeah, it's just overall continuation of what we've seen

2477
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 7: over the last few weeks. Good energy, everybody getting ready

2478
01:52:56,240 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 7: to head out to practice here.

2479
01:52:57,479 --> 01:53:00,600
Speaker 1: Good, and how's Evan. We're a little worried about it.

2480
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:02,120
Speaker 1: I talked to him. I talked to him.

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01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 7: He was still really mad, really mad.

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01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:07,040
Speaker 2: But he was laughing.

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Speaker 1: He's like, you guys have fun. While I laughed. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you did.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we kept going because it ends. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's like it's no fun when

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Speaker 2: the guys, I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: No, he was fired up.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so Evan was.

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01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 7: He was doing some lurk and I saw him, you know,

2491
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Speaker 7: talking to Kyle Williams a little bit on the side,

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Speaker 7: so you know, evn Evan does his onn thing, but

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Speaker 7: he wasn't on digs too, and got his question and

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Speaker 7: I thought it was a was a good question.

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Speaker 2: Can I get a free Yeah, well no, evidently it

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Speaker 7: By the way, it's interesting though, I'm sponsoring Evan Evans segment.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get him into working the eye

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Speaker 1: on ev. He's married.

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Speaker 7: Now up, things aren't good in the Lazar household. After

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Speaker 7: the Bruins performance last night, let's just say I saw

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Speaker 7: that game.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised there was only one goal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was surprised they made the comeback because they

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Speaker 2: look like they were thoroughly outclassed the first two periods

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Now at.

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Speaker 1: Florida is really beat up. Can I tell you that

2582
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Speaker 1: lost like four in a row before that. Florida scored

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Speaker 1: like two minutes in on a power play, and then

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Speaker 1: I clucked it off. I'm not watching this. Wake me

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Speaker 1: up in you know, May draft?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, May, that's draft. But the good thing is they'll

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Speaker 2: have a good draft pack. Yeah, we'll just bring it

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Speaker 1: Five to five past five hundred is the hot line.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to North Carolina. Francisco's on the line. What's up, Francisco?

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Speaker 10: Hey, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Guys?

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Speaker 8: Hey?

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Speaker 13: Hey, hey, So I'm going to because.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be.

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Speaker 13: You can't you can't make it. You can't make a

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Speaker 13: playoff run if you're not in the playoffs. So I'd rather,

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Speaker 13: I'd very much rather be picking towards the end. And

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Speaker 13: as long as you draft right, you're gonna get better

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Speaker 13: any position. You're telling me you can't get at least

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Speaker 13: three players from the draft, but that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to call and to been that

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01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:10,160
Speaker 1: you can't.

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01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 13: You cannot make a playoff run if.

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01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:12,440
Speaker 10: You're not in a playoffs.

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01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 1: That is sound logic to me.

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01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 7: Francisco Quick Quick points to tie it back to the

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01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,400
Speaker 7: nineties teams like you never know when the number one

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01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:21,320
Speaker 7: seed Broncos are going to lose, and you know that

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01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 7: team that's kind of owned you, and you know, all

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01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:25,120
Speaker 7: of a sudden, an opportunity opens up and here we are. We're,

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01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 7: you know, in the super Bowl just because it lined

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01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:29,240
Speaker 7: up that year. His point, you don't have that opportunity to.

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Speaker 2: And I just look at, you know, even a bigger pitcher.

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01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:37,080
Speaker 2: There are years like if this was last year, the

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01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:40,040
Speaker 2: way Buffalo is playing, the way Kansas City was playing,

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01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:43,880
Speaker 2: the way Baltimore was playing, I would have said, yeah,

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01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:46,360
Speaker 2: you're gonna get in, but you're going to be fodder. Yeah,

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01:58:46,440 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 2: you know for any of those teams, you don't have

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01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 2: a shot. I don't feel like that right now. I

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01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:53,160
Speaker 2: think that the AFC is wide I think the league

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01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:54,840
Speaker 2: in general is wide open. I don't think it's a

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01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:56,480
Speaker 2: very good league this year, and I think there's a

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01:58:56,520 --> 01:58:59,320
Speaker 2: lot of good teams, but there really isn't I would

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01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:01,640
Speaker 2: say a great one that I've seen, not yet. The

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01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:04,000
Speaker 2: Colts have played well, and I've been impressed with what

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Speaker 2: they have doing. I just don't look at them as

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01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 2: a great team right now that they have the best record,

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01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:11,720
Speaker 2: right yeah, you know, should they just like you know,

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01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:13,560
Speaker 2: are they a year ahead of schedule? I don't know.

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01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:17,200
Speaker 2: With Daniel Jones, is that sustainable? Should they not want

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Speaker 2: to win?

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01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 1: Running the ball, get good defense?

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01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:22,640
Speaker 2: Hey, you never know when you're going to get an

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01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:23,800
Speaker 2: opportunity to make a run.

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01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:28,000
Speaker 1: Did we mention that Chase On got his mike literally

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01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:29,880
Speaker 1: just well I mentioned it. We didn't really we didn't

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01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 1: really spend much time on it. But yeah, he did.

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01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:34,440
Speaker 7: The AFC Defensive Player of the Week, first two SAT game,

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01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:38,080
Speaker 7: first touchdown. You know, he's excited and I wrote a

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01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:40,040
Speaker 7: little bit about it. Just the guy, first round pick,

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01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:42,560
Speaker 7: twentieth overall. I mean, he's now a half sack from

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01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:45,120
Speaker 7: tying his career high from last year that he set

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01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:45,720
Speaker 7: with the Raiders.

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01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:47,800
Speaker 1: So it's kind of clicking for him, I think.

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01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:50,080
Speaker 7: And he just seems in this defense where they're just

2647
01:59:50,120 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 7: asking you go get Seaball, get ball, he's able to

2648
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 7: use his quickness, his length and now it's been a

2649
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:55,840
Speaker 7: really good sign.

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01:59:56,520 --> 02:00:00,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't want to do trade that line stuff.

2651
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:03,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of emails about the trade deadline, which

2652
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:08,440
Speaker 1: is let's see November eight, eight twelve days away, less

2653
02:00:08,440 --> 02:00:10,720
Speaker 1: than two weeks is the trade deadline. So we'll get

2654
02:00:10,760 --> 02:00:15,360
Speaker 1: into that as we get closer. I'm not expecting anything big,

2655
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:19,920
Speaker 1: are you big? Probably not, But I'm expecting a moving

2656
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:23,480
Speaker 1: me too, Me too. I'm expecting a running back. Uh

2657
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:29,720
Speaker 1: henryk from Norway. He says, thank you for always having

2658
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:32,960
Speaker 1: interesting and fun conversations about the Patriots in the NFL

2659
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:36,400
Speaker 1: in general, listening to Unfiltered helps us understand so much

2660
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:39,960
Speaker 1: about football, making us appreciate the sport in more ways

2661
02:00:40,040 --> 02:00:43,400
Speaker 1: than we would otherwise know. At least that's how it

2662
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:47,200
Speaker 1: is for me. You all do amazing work. If you

2663
02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:49,520
Speaker 1: ever decided to do a podcast seven days a week,

2664
02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 1: that would be great. What do you think seven days

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02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:53,480
Speaker 1: a week crazy.

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02:00:53,680 --> 02:00:56,040
Speaker 2: I'd be absolutely interested in it for the right price.

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody's got a price. Have some questions regarding the

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02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:04,440
Speaker 1: arm strength and arm talent between quarterbacks in the NFL.

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02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:07,640
Speaker 1: Can you please rank the top ten quarterbacks with the

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02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:10,920
Speaker 1: strongest arm currently playing in the league? And also can

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Speaker 1: you also rank the top ten quarterbacks with the strongest

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02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:17,320
Speaker 1: arm of all time? Wow? And one more, please rank

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02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:20,120
Speaker 1: the top ten quarterbacks with best arm of all time?

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02:01:20,200 --> 02:01:23,920
Speaker 1: So best versus strong? And he's got his own lists.

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02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't know do we want to get into this.

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02:01:26,760 --> 02:01:28,280
Speaker 2: I can't do this all right?

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02:01:28,360 --> 02:01:32,480
Speaker 1: List of So he's got three categories strongest arm. This

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02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 1: is now current time, current, all time strongest.

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02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:38,720
Speaker 2: I would say Josh Allen strong second, and then.

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Speaker 1: All time with the best arm. So he differentiates best and.

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02:01:43,120 --> 02:01:47,000
Speaker 2: So what's his list of top ten current strongest arms?

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02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:48,080
Speaker 2: Current current?

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02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:54,000
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers,

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02:01:54,160 --> 02:02:00,360
Speaker 1: Drake may Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence Baker, Mayfield, Joe Burrow, KAYLEB.

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02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:01,520
Speaker 2: Williams belongs on that list.

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02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:03,680
Speaker 1: Hey, Joe Milton has a stronger arm than all of them.

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02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:07,280
Speaker 2: It's not a quarterback. Who what's the next list about

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02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:09,200
Speaker 2: a quarterback? He's not a starting quarterback.

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02:02:09,240 --> 02:02:11,920
Speaker 1: Okay, he didn't say starting quarterback. You have to play

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Speaker 1: to have a strong Okay, all right, all time lists

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02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:16,760
Speaker 1: with the strongest arm. John Elway, I.

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02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:19,240
Speaker 2: Would agree with that. Brett Farva, I would agree with

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Speaker 2: that too.

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02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 1: Jeff Georgia, Oh, greater one, yep, good one. Michael Vick, yeah,

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02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:32,000
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler, yeah, Josh Allen Mahomes, Rogers, Marino, yeah.

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02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:33,440
Speaker 2: I mean hearts argue with any of the guys on

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Speaker 2: this and Tom Brady, I don't know. Not the strongest arm,

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02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:40,120
Speaker 2: but they're good enough arm yep. And then like the

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Speaker 2: best arm Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: So he's got Tom Brady at top of best arm

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Speaker 1: that he's got, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning,

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02:02:50,360 --> 02:02:56,520
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, John Elway, Brett Farvara, Patrick Mahomes, and Dan Fouts.

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02:02:57,200 --> 02:02:59,000
Speaker 2: Yea heart to argue with his name.

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Speaker 1: I want to know definition of best arm because if

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02:03:01,400 --> 02:03:03,720
Speaker 1: best arm is accuracy, okay.

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02:03:04,280 --> 02:03:06,080
Speaker 2: It's a cop see to me, best arm is a

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02:03:06,160 --> 02:03:09,880
Speaker 2: combination of everything like accurate, strong, can make all the

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02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:14,880
Speaker 2: throws sculpted. Yeah, like I like I don't like Drew

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02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:18,080
Speaker 2: Brees in terms of his accuracy and timing is elite.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he had a great arm, right like,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that he was one of ten arms.

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Speaker 2: Same with Joe min Is his His strength is his

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Speaker 2: mental parts, it's not his arm. Yeah, yeah, timing, I

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02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:32,360
Speaker 2: wouldn't put him in the best arm category.

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Speaker 1: Are his accuracy factor into having a great armor?

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Speaker 6: Is that?

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02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:39,120
Speaker 1: It does. I think Aaron Rodgers gets into the best

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02:03:39,280 --> 02:03:40,680
Speaker 1: arm He's he's near that.

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Speaker 2: For me, he's no way it would be one.

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02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:45,280
Speaker 1: But Rogers is hard to argue. What about Slinging Sammy

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02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:47,080
Speaker 1: bah I don't forget about him.

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02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:52,920
Speaker 2: You speak intelligently on that, Dan Pasterini, No, no, no, no, okay,

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02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:55,920
Speaker 2: all right, Dan Pastin.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's some guys back in the day, j Jones, come,

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02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:03,520
Speaker 1: Joe namath Is and in the Joe absolutely Bert Jones

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02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:07,600
Speaker 1: had a great arm. Yeah, Johnny United, Actually Johnny United

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02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:08,800
Speaker 1: didn't have a very good arm.

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02:04:10,120 --> 02:04:12,000
Speaker 2: I have never saw Johnny United's play.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you neither or my time. But

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02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, Sammy Bob got the name slinging right.

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02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:22,240
Speaker 2: Maybe he's the only quarterback in the league that through

2733
02:04:22,280 --> 02:04:25,600
Speaker 2: at the time, Sammy Ball, how long are we going here?

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02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:28,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I like you giving him a

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Speaker 2: little extra.

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Speaker 7: For the for the f I'm just gonna let a

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02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:31,840
Speaker 7: roll see where we ended up.

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Speaker 1: Oh geez, I forgot I didn't even see that. All right,

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Speaker 1: Well that's it. I gotta I gotta meet.

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Speaker 2: That's two forty five.

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Speaker 1: Mike would was a little late, so you know, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's going to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.

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02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:47,040
Speaker 1: We're sending out a search and rescue crew for Evan.

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02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:49,919
Speaker 1: We'll see how he's doing. Uh, we'll be back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Uh, it'll be a hoday, a little bit

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Speaker 1: more on the Browns, any new news. See if the

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Speaker 1: line shifted, you know, between now and then, that'll that'll

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Speaker 1: show little bit what the sharps think and then we'll

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Speaker 1: do our pick. So see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Hey, this is Alex. Thanks for tuning into the show.

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