WEBVTT - 050424 The Arizona Abortion Ban and the YWCA (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Siger, where our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to foster ally ship, empathy and understanding. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host, Ramsey's job.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Ramsey's job. I am q ward.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>My mother calls me different names when she's upset, so

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes she does full print time with the strong pronunciation

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<v Speaker 2>of the oh.

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<v Speaker 1>But today I will be Q awarding you. I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to Civic side. Indeed you are. We have some special

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<v Speaker 1>guests in the building because we have a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. We'd like to welcome back some some dear friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Or I said welcome some, I should say welcome some

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<v Speaker 1>dear friends. But this is an organization that we've been

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<v Speaker 1>working with very closely. We have Angela Salazar from the

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<v Speaker 1>ye WCA as well as Marta or Banowska. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>I got it, all right, all right, that's my thought, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And Angela is the equity programs director, and Marta is

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<v Speaker 1>the brand manager for the HYE WC. And we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get into all of that. The reason that they're

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<v Speaker 1>here today andason why we want you to stick around

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<v Speaker 1>is because there's been a lot going on with respect

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<v Speaker 1>to bodily autonomy, women's rights, women's ability to choose, and

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<v Speaker 1>government's intervention toward that end. And the y w c

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<v Speaker 1>A works with Women's the Young Women's Christian Association. If

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mistaken as the acronym but women, I remember. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're going to educate me too. But I know

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<v Speaker 1>that you work very closely with with with women. And

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<v Speaker 1>these are the sorts of fights that are very important.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know on this show we communicate with allies

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<v Speaker 1>and potential allies, and so we're an honor to have

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<v Speaker 1>you up here to help us, help inform us on

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<v Speaker 1>how we can best advocate for the outcomes that really

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<v Speaker 1>shape the things that you're pursuing. So that and so

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<v Speaker 1>much more to stick around for. But before we get there,

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, we like to start things with some

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<v Speaker 1>from Huffington Post. Now, to be fair, this is an

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<v Speaker 1>older article but we're just getting to it. So just

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<v Speaker 1>letting you know anyway. At twenty seven, Hunneth Johnson is

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<v Speaker 1>the youngest district judge in Pennsylvania. Johnson won the seat

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<v Speaker 1>in the general election for the Dauphin County Magisterial District

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<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania, becoming the youngest magisterial district judge in the state.

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<v Speaker 1>The Harrisburg, Pennsylvania native began his term in January and

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<v Speaker 1>will preside over cases within the predominantly black state capitol.

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson is no stranger to the other side of the law.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been in jail three times and ran through the

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<v Speaker 1>streets as a teenager. As a student at penn State University,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson ran a foul of the law again, this time

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<v Speaker 1>as a member of his fraternity, Omega Sci Fi. While

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<v Speaker 1>he was president of the fraternity, he was charged in

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<v Speaker 1>connection with hazing allegations. Quote I went to jail for

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks, went to trial. Thank god I wont unquote,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson recalled. He goes on to say, quote that was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the happiest days. I just felt like my

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<v Speaker 1>life was going to be taken from me. Unquote. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson has an opportunity to make a difference quote, being

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<v Speaker 1>that I live in the area they know me, I

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<v Speaker 1>know the people. I know what's going on. Unquote. The

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<v Speaker 1>father of one said goes on to say, you have

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<v Speaker 1>single moms that can't pay a parking ticket. I have

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<v Speaker 1>the control to make life easier for her, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>someone from out of town who doesn't understand that one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars ticket might be too much for her and

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<v Speaker 1>she ends up in jail over that ticket. Quote. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the things that we have to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with is being associated with criminal behavior. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that the criminal justice system doesn't do

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<v Speaker 1>is rehabilitate people. And so when you see stories like

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<v Speaker 1>this that not only are people being rehabilitated, but indeed

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<v Speaker 1>they end up getting power and shaping outcomes, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to salute that as ebony excellence. So even though it's

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<v Speaker 1>an older story to you, Honey Johnson, all right, now

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<v Speaker 1>we have to have a conversation. It's been busy, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it. All right. So I'm still learning about

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<v Speaker 1>the y w c A. I I know that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of good things that the organization is is doing.

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<v Speaker 1>When I do get a chance to speak with or

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<v Speaker 1>listen to Debbie speak, at least in Arizona, Debbie Asparza.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear all of the things that the National y

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<v Speaker 1>MC y w C A sorry is is doing to

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<v Speaker 1>shape outcomes for for women specifically, but I also hear

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<v Speaker 1>some things that the organization is up against. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>before we get there, and just know that I'm learning,

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<v Speaker 1>I speak for Q two, I know what you was

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<v Speaker 1>learning to. Before we get there, let's ask just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of in a general sense, for the benefit of our listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>for those who might not know, discuss angel will start

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<v Speaker 1>with you, discuss the role the YWCA plays in society.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so the role that we play in society. First

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<v Speaker 3>of all, YWCA is a very old acronym from when

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<v Speaker 3>it first started. In general, our mission is to eliminate

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<v Speaker 3>racism and empower women. So that does make us won't

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<v Speaker 3>women focused? However? Are The first part of that mission

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<v Speaker 3>is eliminate racism, which is encompasses every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I love that too.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, It's not just a women issue. Racism affects all

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<v Speaker 3>of us, even people who think they're not being affected

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<v Speaker 3>by it. Systemic barriers are kind of blanketed across entire

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<v Speaker 3>communities and entire society. So that's our focus. That's our mission,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the work that we do. We do it in programming.

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<v Speaker 3>We have conversations regarding tough topics such as the one

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<v Speaker 3>we'll be talking about, but we hit on everything to

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<v Speaker 3>try to promote advocacy. So we're just using this catchphrase

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<v Speaker 3>because we've been having these conversations a lot more lately

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<v Speaker 3>because societies it's getting it's getting tough out there right now.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've been saying we educate to activate, So we

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<v Speaker 3>teach people about things that are going on, whether or

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<v Speaker 3>not they're in communities are being affected by it. So

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<v Speaker 3>a community member who may not even know about racism, tactics,

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<v Speaker 3>systemic barriers, things about health, mental wellness, they have no

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<v Speaker 3>idea what's going on. We teach them about what's going

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<v Speaker 3>on in society and then aha moment happens a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of times and then they're like, oh, I can kind

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<v Speaker 3>of relate to that, or I know somebody now that

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<v Speaker 3>has been affected by it. What can I do to

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<v Speaker 3>help make change? And so we're trying to push on

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<v Speaker 3>that piece, what can you do to make change? And

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<v Speaker 3>so we're a convener, we bring other organizations together, we'll

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<v Speaker 3>bring we're trying to bring corporations together whoever wants to

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<v Speaker 3>listen basically and have those conversations and just plant the

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<v Speaker 3>seed of potential advocacy.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you being so thorough with the explanation the

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<v Speaker 2>different ways that the YWC affects not just Arizona, but

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<v Speaker 2>society at large, because, like Rahmsa said, it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>us that are listening, but this conversation is being had

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<v Speaker 2>over airways where people who don't even live here will

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<v Speaker 2>be able to learn a little bit about what you

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<v Speaker 2>guys are doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Marta.

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<v Speaker 2>With the choices that you made at some point as

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<v Speaker 2>a young person to get involved with the YWCA, what

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<v Speaker 2>is it in particular that drew you to that organization

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<v Speaker 2>that made you want to work in the space that

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<v Speaker 2>you're in.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, it's a great question, I think for me, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think for a lot of you know, these younger

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<v Speaker 4>people who are growing up, we're tired of it, Like

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<v Speaker 4>we don't want to leave live in these systems that

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<v Speaker 4>are oppressing us, you know, and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>be I work in marketing, which is a numbers in

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<v Speaker 4>a sales game, but I didn't want to be pushing

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<v Speaker 4>a product or a service. I wanted to be advocating

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<v Speaker 4>for something I truly believe in, and I think I

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<v Speaker 4>speak for you know, my generation and for people in

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<v Speaker 4>the generation below me, that we're not going to let

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<v Speaker 4>this continue to happen. And that's kind of what we

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<v Speaker 4>do at y b C is we're looking at a

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<v Speaker 4>system systemic approach. So we are talking to these corporations

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<v Speaker 4>and these partners who have money and dollars and who

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<v Speaker 4>are perpetuating these things that are again oppressing people. So

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<v Speaker 4>we're starting there. We're starting with these big ticket people

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<v Speaker 4>and being like, hey, you know these things you've been

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<v Speaker 4>doing for hundreds of years, We're not going to take

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<v Speaker 4>it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. Well, I have another question too. You mentioned your

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<v Speaker 1>role as the marketing and brand manager. What is that

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<v Speaker 1>encompass with respect to why w C, Like, how's how what?

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<v Speaker 1>What does your job entail?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's definitely advancing and growing in different ways. We're

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<v Speaker 4>now a team of two in marketing, but we recently

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<v Speaker 4>just published an op ed about the topic we're about

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<v Speaker 4>to be talking about about reproductive rights in the state

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<v Speaker 4>of Arizona. But of course that affects women all across

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<v Speaker 4>the country, so we're really getting bolder in our messaging

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<v Speaker 4>and we're you know, we're talking to bigger audiences and

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<v Speaker 4>we're getting ourselves out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to I want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>we say this that y w c A is nationwide.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are y w c A. I guess they

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<v Speaker 1>would be chapters, right, associations associations if you know, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on where you're listening to us from, there's bound to

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<v Speaker 1>be one within driving distance of where you live. And

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground there is a national concerted effort to

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<v Speaker 1>check certain boxes. The eliminating Racism mantra I think or

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<v Speaker 1>a positioner, I'm not sure what it's called, what it's

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<v Speaker 1>referred to, but that statement that exists, yeah, the mission statement.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. That is across the board WCA. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So anyone that hears what we're talking about today, can

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to give you the information to plug in

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<v Speaker 1>with this local chapter here that's doing some great things,

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<v Speaker 1>but also in the in your local communities where you're listening,

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<v Speaker 1>that exists for you to tap in and make a

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<v Speaker 1>difference in a measurable way where you can see as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was gonna ask Angela about equity programs. Just

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<v Speaker 2>when I read that. It was something that I got

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<v Speaker 2>excited about because part of the mission statement with it

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<v Speaker 2>being racism, and you know what people would probably understand

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<v Speaker 2>from the older acronym, you know, the position of avocacy

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<v Speaker 2>for women. Explain a little bit more about what equity

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<v Speaker 2>programs is and what your role entails.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm glad you asked that because we get that

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<v Speaker 3>question a lot. What is equity in society as a whole?

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<v Speaker 3>Equity usually is related to the housing fields. However, equity

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<v Speaker 3>means for us at least you know, trying to I

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<v Speaker 3>hate to use this phrase, but level of play and

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<v Speaker 3>field right, Equity is not the same as equality, meaning

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<v Speaker 3>we're meeting the person's needs based on their needs. It's not, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to give everybody. We're gonna solve hunger by

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<v Speaker 3>giving everybody a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. It's what

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<v Speaker 3>does this person need to, you know, starve off the hunger.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they have a peanut allergy, maybe they can't eat gluten,

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<v Speaker 3>so we're going to give them what they can eat,

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<v Speaker 3>not versus we're just blanketing equality everywhere and saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody have a sowuch. So when we talk about equity,

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<v Speaker 3>it's meeting the person's needs or in the community individual,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever the case may be, meeting that need where it's needed.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know it's funny because that's something that we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about on the show, you know, equality versus equity

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit, because what I've what we've seen in

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<v Speaker 1>such a long time, and one thing that I've found

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<v Speaker 1>very frustrating. I'm speaking for myself, but I know Q

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<v Speaker 1>is way more frustrated than me, so, but even I

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<v Speaker 1>found it to be frustrating is that the difference in

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<v Speaker 1>our space between equity and equality is much bigger than

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<v Speaker 1>the difference in our opposition space. Almost like those people

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<v Speaker 1>that are, let's just to pick a person, a super

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<v Speaker 1>far right conservative that has a very limited view of

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<v Speaker 1>how the world works outside out of you know, their

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<v Speaker 1>own ecosystem socioeconomic bubble. They might think that equality solves everything.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you had the same thing that I had,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's let's let's get it right. And that's again

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<v Speaker 1>a frustrating thing that we have to deal with too,

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<v Speaker 1>because equality is a great first step, but equity shapes

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<v Speaker 1>outcomes in a way that equality cannot. And that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that we often again, we bump our

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<v Speaker 1>heads with people that oppose us, you know, on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and we try to teach the difference. But again that

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<v Speaker 1>that the gap between those two is much bigger for

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<v Speaker 1>us than it is for those folks, because they think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you started off where I started with the same things,

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<v Speaker 1>then you should be able to make it there. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, I get how with a limited viewpoint you

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<v Speaker 1>could say that to yourself. I would I would probably

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<v Speaker 1>say that too if I had the same perspective. But

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm appreciative of us having this conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that you mentioned that least though, because that

0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.520
<v Speaker 3>is part of our our work that when we do

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<v Speaker 3>learning lessons, we have discussions, we do different types of programming,

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<v Speaker 3>and with margin's help also we we craft our language.

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<v Speaker 3>We're constantly changing the language that we use in these

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<v Speaker 3>programs because again we have to meet the needs of

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<v Speaker 3>the community. Wherever we're talking to we're switching up our

0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:30.960
<v Speaker 3>language consistently. It could be if we're in corporate spaces, right,

0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.880
<v Speaker 3>we can't say the things that we say talking to

0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.320
<v Speaker 3>grassroots organizations because it's not going to connect. So grassroots

0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.720
<v Speaker 3>organizations have a different language that we use because they

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<v Speaker 3>can understand almost everything that we're throwing at them, but

0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.840
<v Speaker 3>it's at a different viewpoint. On top of that, when

0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.040
<v Speaker 3>you're going to corporate spaces, you kind of have to

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<v Speaker 3>tread lightly. Yet we're still trying to push the boundary

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<v Speaker 3>that is. So that's equity work right there in a sense,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is open up those eyes and minds.

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<v Speaker 1>To be fair, they people call us all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to fly all over the country and we

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<v Speaker 1>have to figure out what the angles are because I

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<v Speaker 1>think that our the underlying operating presumption is that, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if they have us in the room, that people are

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to do better, or at least appear to do better,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever their their story is. And so that's

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<v Speaker 1>not nothing. So we got it. You know, if anybody's

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<v Speaker 1>willing to take any steps, we'll meet you there. We

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<v Speaker 1>you know, allyship looks very different for a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and our job historically has been to kind of bolster

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<v Speaker 1>that and increase what that increase that footprint for, or

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<v Speaker 1>allow people to increase their own footprint toward that end.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do want to get to the discussion that

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<v Speaker 1>we're supposed to have. So you know, the total abortion

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<v Speaker 1>band in Arizona, which there was a couple of ups

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<v Speaker 1>and downs with that, and now it's been fully repealed,

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<v Speaker 1>so thank god for that. But I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get a sense of what it was like

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<v Speaker 1>at the YWCA when you heard about this news, So

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<v Speaker 1>Martin this time, let's start with you and then just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of talk us through how that felt individually and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe how it impacted the organization.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well breaking it was breaking news, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>all of us were immediately emotionally triggered by it. Right

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<v Speaker 4>because this is the band that took effect in this

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<v Speaker 4>state was from eighteen sixty four, which is pre statehood,

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<v Speaker 4>which is still the time of the Civil War, so

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<v Speaker 4>it's irrelevant completely. It does not need to take place

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<v Speaker 4>in today's day and age at all. So immediately just

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<v Speaker 4>emotional like, how is this possible as a young woman

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<v Speaker 4>like myself, It's like my mother had more rights than

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<v Speaker 4>I did today.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I didn't think about that. Wow, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>And then it was all hands on deck, right, it

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<v Speaker 4>was stop everything, and it's okay, what are we going

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<v Speaker 4>to say? And we have a sister association in Tucson,

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<v Speaker 4>so we contacted Tucson immediately and we said, what's our message,

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<v Speaker 4>what are we going to tell people? How do we

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<v Speaker 4>tell people how to take action now? And there's a

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<v Speaker 4>ballot initiative taking place in the state, so of course,

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<v Speaker 4>sign the petition, find someone who's who has it and

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<v Speaker 4>go sign it immediately, and what else? And then we said,

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<v Speaker 4>go register to vote, because we I mean, we have

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<v Speaker 4>a voice and we have to use it if we

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<v Speaker 4>don't want this to ever happen again.

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<v Speaker 3>We reached out to why WC, why WCAUSA, so we're

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<v Speaker 3>constantly in communication with them as well, because we want

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure our messaging was going to be online.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew we were going to be one of the

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<v Speaker 3>first to react, and so we didn't want to step

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<v Speaker 3>on tools if they were gonna, you know, send us

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<v Speaker 3>something to share out. But we also wanted to be

0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.720
<v Speaker 3>on the forefront of it, and so we reached out

0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.960
<v Speaker 3>to them. They gave us resources to help craft our

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<v Speaker 3>language in this statement that we put together along with

0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.200
<v Speaker 3>our sister associations, so we didn't just like run over

0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.919
<v Speaker 3>all these people and say hey, sign on this. We

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<v Speaker 3>actually got their feedback, we got therapies on it, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we reached out to other organizations to see, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was our language appropriate.

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<v Speaker 3>On top of that, to make sure that because we're

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<v Speaker 3>not the experts on this, although we do monitor it

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<v Speaker 3>very closely, it's it's it's a constant education even for

0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.920
<v Speaker 3>us in this field, we're constantly having to do research

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<v Speaker 3>and read about it. And so when we crafted that

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<v Speaker 3>that statement, we were just like all day just emailing

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<v Speaker 3>people and making sure we were getting everybody's feedback on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the way that politics work for me is not

0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:09.160
<v Speaker 2>just frustrating but confusing. With Republicans, you know, blocking repeal

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<v Speaker 2>the first time around, and it, you know, finally being

0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.520
<v Speaker 2>something that's successful, you have to understand it. In some

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<v Speaker 2>of those rooms, there are women voting and supporting against

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<v Speaker 2>their own best interest, in their own autonomy. What does

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<v Speaker 2>that feel like? Because I know how some of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that we come up against while.

0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.880
<v Speaker 1>We're dealing with black people that we're dealing with black

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<v Speaker 1>people vote and organize and.

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<v Speaker 2>Speak out almost aggressively against their own best interests. In

0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.040
<v Speaker 2>a case like this, when it's women's rights and you

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<v Speaker 2>expect it to be something that women are one hundred

0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.120
<v Speaker 2>percent aligned on, and then again you see those who

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you didn't vote for, But who are supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be representing your best interest in spaces like this not

0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.720
<v Speaker 2>be as supportive as you would like. We get to

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<v Speaker 2>deep breath and exhale that this total band was repealed,

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<v Speaker 2>but not unanimous and not the first time around. What

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<v Speaker 2>does that look and feel like for you guys?

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<v Speaker 3>So that goes back to the whole education piece. I

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<v Speaker 3>always talk about people only know what they know, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm a backtrack. Even before this happened, Uh, we

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<v Speaker 3>had put together an event to highlight abortion, the abortion

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<v Speaker 3>rights movement back in the seventies. So we did this

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<v Speaker 3>probably a month prior, yeah, a month prior to the

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<v Speaker 3>to the band happening, just to bring awareness like this

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<v Speaker 3>could this could happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, hey, we're not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a done deal, right Uh, Roll versus Way

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<v Speaker 3>got a return. Now let's educate you on the history

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<v Speaker 3>of it. Why uh we pushed for roll Versus way

0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.840
<v Speaker 3>back of the day, why it was necessary. So we

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<v Speaker 3>did a piece where we educated people on all the

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<v Speaker 3>goal stuff that was happening when people really needed an abortion.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it could have been medical, it could have

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<v Speaker 3>been just a personal choice. But we didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>go back to that, and so we did a piece

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<v Speaker 3>where we were educating people to try to make them

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<v Speaker 3>again take agency of their own education, like read up

0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:21.960
<v Speaker 3>more on it, and then also going back to the petitions,

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<v Speaker 3>sign the petitions or be vocal about why we shouldn't

0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.480
<v Speaker 3>be going in this direction. And to your question Q,

0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:34.960
<v Speaker 3>women who are in support of a band, I always

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<v Speaker 3>say they probably are just not aware of this history

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<v Speaker 3>of it. They're they're buying into social media, They're probably

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<v Speaker 3>just running with the movement of their circle, right uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it does go back to politics. It's almost

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<v Speaker 3>like a gain mentality if you say something outside of

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<v Speaker 3>that circle. Or again, what's the rustier game members going

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<v Speaker 3>to look like?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there was once upon a time. I so

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<v Speaker 1>for me my experience, you would know better. But just

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<v Speaker 1>to share with our listeners, I knew people that considered

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<v Speaker 1>this to be a faith based issue, which, to be fair,

0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:22.320
<v Speaker 1>that's if your faith is your faith, then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>be great. But there's in this country a separation between

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<v Speaker 1>faith and politics. Right anyway, it's supposed to be well anyway,

0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.560
<v Speaker 1>this individual says, well, abortions, what if what if you

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<v Speaker 1>had the person that could cure cancer and you aborted

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<v Speaker 1>that person and then cancer never got cured. And I

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<v Speaker 1>remember pushing back on that faith based argument, this argument

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<v Speaker 1>that something amazing could happen, and I said, well, what

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<v Speaker 1>if you had the next Hitler or the next Hitler?

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<v Speaker 1>And that shut them up. So anyway, we're gonna we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna keep talking about this