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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: When do we have Crystal? Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: big things happening this week, so we've got some new

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Speaker 1: look like and general life to look like going forward.

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Speaker 1: We also have huge, very exciting movement on the front

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Speaker 1: of organizing at Starbucks. There's now over fifty stores across

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Speaker 1: give you all of the details there, big shake up,

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Speaker 1: Morning Joe four hours long? Can you imagine four hours?

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Speaker 1: It says everything about like the intellectual bankruptcy and desperate

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Speaker 1: I think you guys are gonna like it. Yeah. Oh,

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Speaker 1: with a little bit of Republicans in disarray. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: in very classic form, Mitch McConnell says nothing. Actually, let's

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Speaker 1: what's happening is that as they see the Biden approval createring,

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Speaker 1: Hence why the Republicans are up by almost more than

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Speaker 1: that work out and a few other things. Mostly it

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Speaker 1: it was a much very differ situation. McConnell here says, no,

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Speaker 1: because what happened, Crystal is Gainrich came in nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 1: But most of the things that they float here are

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Speaker 1: People feel deeply pessimistic about the country. And the tricky

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Speaker 1: Trump was both the best thing that ever happened to

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Speaker 1: the America First movement. I've always put it this way. Look,

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Speaker 1: go in Ohio, Cincinnati or somewhere else. Is that happening

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Speaker 1: to you? Because I suspect that it is. I mean,

431
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Speaker 1: what I suspect is that there has been a privatization

432
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Speaker 1: of the COVID regime of the most like insane people

433
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Speaker 1: with white collar workforces. Or I get messages from people

434
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Speaker 1: all the time, people who work in factories, and they're like,

435
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe man, I sit in the break room,

436
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Speaker 1: I'm drinking a coffee and my boss is barking at

437
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Speaker 1: me to pull my mask up and down. You can't

438
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Speaker 1: underestimate that level of misery, which is just being put

439
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Speaker 1: through a lot of people, and you combine that with

440
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Speaker 1: the economic restrictions. This is where I mean, look Biden

441
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Speaker 1: in the school thing. He says, yeah, I don't think

442
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Speaker 1: school should close, but he's not calling out Montgomery County,

443
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Speaker 1: Maryland whenever they do go online. That's what Trump did.

444
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Speaker 1: I mean from his I'm not saying it was a

445
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Speaker 1: good thing. It was different at that time. Yeah, but

446
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Biden should be, for his own good,

447
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: should be using the bully pulpit to say no enough, Chicago,

448
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: DC Public School, we're done. Take the masks off in

449
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: the schools. He's like, you should not be doing that.

450
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Speaker 1: The overwhelming number of schools in the country are open

451
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Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, I mean it's important and obviously

452
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Speaker 1: I've talked about this as well. The schools that continue

453
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Speaker 1: to close. I think that's a really important point. I

454
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: think Biden should call them out. I think we're kind

455
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Speaker 1: of talking about two different things because in a sense,

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about is the people who have cultural power,

457
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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about people who have actual political power

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Speaker 1: in terms of public policy. One of the things that

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Speaker 1: I find the most disturbing about some of the continued

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Speaker 1: COVID regime protocols. Is that yeah, as a customer, as

461
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Speaker 1: a consumer, in most places in the country, when you

462
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Speaker 1: go in, you don't have to wear a mask, but

463
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: the workforce is all required by their private pressure sers

464
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Speaker 1: to wear masks. And you know, I can understand why,

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Speaker 1: actually a lot of service workers might want to wear

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Speaker 1: a mask just because the sheer number of people they

467
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Speaker 1: come in contact with. But this is not a choice

468
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: that they have. They're forced to, ultimately to wear it.

469
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 1: They're mandated to, not for their own protection, but so

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Speaker 1: that they can signal, you know, their safe fealty to

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Speaker 1: safety for the consumer public, which is what this country

472
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Speaker 1: is completely oriented around. So I think that's where there's

473
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Speaker 1: a disconnect between how we were ultimately looking at these things.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt that democrats orientation towards COVID is a

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Speaker 1: liability for them. I just happened to think that even

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Speaker 1: if they were sort of directionless on COVID, if they

477
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Speaker 1: had done a good job on economics and people felt like,

478
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Speaker 1: my wages are higher, you know, they're dealing with price inflation,

479
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Speaker 1: I see my family getting ahead, I think that would

480
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Speaker 1: be a significant counterweight because ultimately, I mean, listen, that's

481
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Speaker 1: what people tell Taelpolsters over and over again is their

482
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Speaker 1: number one. It's very multifaceted. I don't disagree on that,

483
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Speaker 1: yeah at all. You pointed this out. I actually should

484
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Speaker 1: put this up there too, which is young Democrats put

485
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Speaker 1: the sweet up there, please. Young Democrats are more worried

486
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Speaker 1: about getting sick from COVID actually older Democrats, even though

487
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: the science says that the opposite should be true. This

488
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: is a heartbreaker, I mean personally for me, given the

489
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Speaker 1: young people a obviously overwhelmingly liberal. But b I mean

490
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Speaker 1: it's like, if you look at the data, I mean,

491
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Speaker 1: you people are the least at risk and so scaring

492
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Speaker 1: yourselves over the last couple of years into this mindset.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is going to have long

494
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Speaker 1: standing safety implications to come. There's a whole thing online

495
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: a discussion around safetyism, which I do think is important,

496
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Speaker 1: which is that when people are looking at others as

497
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Speaker 1: threats and really worried about getting a disease, they're much

498
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Speaker 1: less likely to take risks, They're much less likely to

499
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Speaker 1: know to engage in entrepreneurial behavior. They're much most likely

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Speaker 1: to go on a date, I mean, any of the

501
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Speaker 1: things that makes life worth living. It can make you

502
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Speaker 1: a lot more miserable and worse, actually make you be

503
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Speaker 1: more online, which is literally the opposite of what you

504
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Speaker 1: should be doing, yeah, with your time when you're a

505
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Speaker 1: young person. And I look at this as just a

506
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Speaker 1: point and failure of the media to properly educate people

507
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Speaker 1: about the various risks depending on your personal health background,

508
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Speaker 1: and especially of course age has been the biggest factor

509
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Speaker 1: in who's most vulnerable ultimately to COVID. So when you

510
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Speaker 1: see numbers like this, you can just tell the way

511
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: that propaganda has caused people to misevaluate the risk. Obviously

512
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: that's clear here based on those graphs. It's also clear

513
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Speaker 1: on the Republican side in terms of you know, older

514
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: people underestimating what their personal risk is towards COVID and

515
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: over dramatically overestimating what they think the risk of the

516
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Speaker 1: vaccine ultimately is. So media failures all the way around here.

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Speaker 1: I could not agree, especially on that side where it's like, look,

518
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Speaker 1: you're playing yourself, I mean really in both regards, So

519
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Speaker 1: educate yourself. At least at this point, I think we've

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00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: been pretty open. I've been trying to for well over

521
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Speaker 1: a year now, and what it actually looks like, and

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Speaker 1: I wish other people would do the same. All Right,

523
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Speaker 1: we do have some good news though, on the front

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Speaker 1: of labor organizing and Starbucks in particular. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and throw this first tweet up on the screen. This

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Speaker 1: is extraordinary. Starbucks Workers United just announced yesterday workers at

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Speaker 1: fifteen more stores have filed for union elections, like just

528
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Speaker 1: in that one day. So now you have over fifty

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Speaker 1: Starbucks stores across nineteen different states that have filed to unionized.

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Speaker 1: You can see the list there, Mesa, Arizona, Phoenix, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: Santa Cruz, California, Buffalo, New York, and Arbor, Michigan, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Beaverton, Oregon.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's stores in virgin mid Lothian, Virginia. I

533
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Speaker 1: mean it really is a nationwide you can see on

534
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: the map there stores in Tennessee, across the Midwest coast

535
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: to coast. You've got examples of Starbucks workers who have

536
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Speaker 1: decided to file for a union election. Where things stand

537
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: today is you have two stores that have officially voted

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Speaker 1: to unionize contract negotiations. And actually, let's put this next

539
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: tweet up on the screen that comes from Starbucks Workers United.

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Speaker 1: Contract negotiations just started with those two stores, and after

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Speaker 1: more perfect union put on that tweet. Actually another store

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Speaker 1: in Portland, Oregon, the Garden Home Store, also filed for

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Speaker 1: union elections. So that puts it at sixteen in one day,

544
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Speaker 1: fifty one stores filing to unionize overall, and it really

545
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Speaker 1: is quite extraordinary. I mean, there are so many barriers

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Speaker 1: to unionizing that we talk about a lot in this country,

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00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: but specifically in the service sector. It's very difficult because

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Speaker 1: you have a workforce that has a high amount of turnover.

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Speaker 1: It's usually young workers, high amount of turnover. They're all adamized,

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Speaker 1: So you have to vote store by store, not as

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Speaker 1: one mass movement, and that makes it extraordinarily hard. That's

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00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: why you don't see I mean, there's scarcely another chain

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Speaker 1: in the country that has any significant union effort within

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Speaker 1: you know, fast food, or within retail a retail service

555
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: oriented industry. So this is a huge, huge deal, and

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. One of the things that I looked at

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Speaker 1: of why this has happened. First of all, Starbucks was

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Speaker 1: right when they feared that the Buffalo store would trigger

559
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Speaker 1: a domino effect because so many of these stores cited

560
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo example. They saw that they were watching that

561
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: really closely, and they said, hey, if they can do

562
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: it there, what the hell, we can certainly do it here.

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Speaker 1: And that's why Starbucks threw everything they could to try

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Speaker 1: to prevent that unionization effort in those first couple of stores.

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Speaker 1: When they failed, that set off a ripple effect across

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Speaker 1: the country, their worst possible fear. The other thing that's

567
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: interesting in the Starbucks context is it's sort of like

568
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: their own hypocrisy is coming back to bite them, because

569
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Speaker 1: they put out there in the world are the corporate

570
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: propaganda is very progressive. They call their their baristas and

571
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: their workers, they call them partners. So they have all

572
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: this like inclusive, progressive language, and that attracted a workforce

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Speaker 1: that was relatively progressive and thought, hey, Starbucks, like they

574
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Speaker 1: match my values. And then when they came up against

575
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, okay, well let's extend those values into the workplace.

576
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Speaker 1: Let's actually live up to what Starbucks claims their values is.

577
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: And they see these aggressive union busting tactics, that's a

578
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: real wake up call that this corporate bullshit was just

579
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: that corporate bullshit, because when it came down to it,

580
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Speaker 1: when it came to workers having actual power in their workplaces,

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00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: Starbucks was far from progressive, which of course is a

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Speaker 1: trend that we see across corporate America where they use

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Speaker 1: certain language and certain orientation, especially on cultural issues, to

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Speaker 1: signal their progressive and good actors generally, but when it

585
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Speaker 1: comes down to the bottom line and comes down and

586
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: maintaining control, they are anything but. So because they had

587
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Speaker 1: that language up front, they attracted a workforce that was

588
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Speaker 1: disproportionately more interested and more in favor of unionizing, and

589
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Speaker 1: that's part of how you've ended up Starbucks really being

590
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Speaker 1: the tip of the spear here in terms of a

591
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Speaker 1: national labor movement resurgence. Yeah, it's actually really crazy, especially

592
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Speaker 1: whenever you look at the map, because it's the entire country.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's all coast to coast. It's also in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest, it's in the South. We're talking Florida, We're

595
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: talking even New Mexico, in the Pacific Northwest, but a

596
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: lot here on the East coast, the industrial Midwest as well.

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00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: So this is one of those things where you watch

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Speaker 1: it and you can see how it's very clear that

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Speaker 1: with all the stores kind of coming together and uniting

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Speaker 1: is that it's going to cause even more of a

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00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: reckoning within Starbucks management. And I think that what we

602
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: have to watch very closely is, Look, they tried to

603
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: stack the deck and rig the election in that one

604
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: store in Buffalo. Yeah, but they can't do it to

605
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: like fifty stores. So now what do you do? I mean,

606
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: are they going to have to negotiate in good faith?

607
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: Like what's exactly going to happen? And I think that

608
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: you know Howard Schultzen then must be absolutely losing it

609
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: and freaking out because these people the more and more

610
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: that it happens, they're going to gain a lot more

611
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: power in the workforce. But you know, we talk here

612
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: a lot about this and I look, you know, props

613
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: to these guys. I hope it works out. The problem

614
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: is that there's still a lot of the deck that

615
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: is stacked against them, and you know, whenever it comes

616
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: to actual what the company can do, we should watch

617
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: this very closely, Crystal. I mean, it's very very conceivable

618
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: that they'll just close a lot of these stores down.

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Speaker 1: They can do it. We've talked about Dollar General. Yeah,

620
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: in the past, they're like, oh yeah, for you know,

621
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Speaker 1: because of reasons this entire store is just going to

622
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Speaker 1: get shut down. This is not outside the realm of possibility.

623
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Speaker 1: They can take a lot of action against you. They

624
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: can fire you on fake cause we've seen a lot

625
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: of these instances. It's they cover this, no doubt. It's

626
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: a lot harder to try to organize against fifty one

627
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: stores versus the couple in Buffalo that they initially, you know,

628
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Speaker 1: did the full court press on. We're getting a little

629
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Speaker 1: bit of a peek into some of the tactics that

630
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Speaker 1: they're using. They Stephen Greenhouse sent out a text that

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Speaker 1: he received as a tip from one of the workers

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00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: at one of these stores, where Starbucks is messaging all

633
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: of their quote unquote partners and they say about the

634
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: union election, they say, vote no to make sure you

635
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: don't potentially impact your current benefits, including the ability to

636
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: transfer to or pick up shifts at other stores. So

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00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: that's like a little thinly veiled threat that if you

638
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: vote yes on this union, you know, things may not

639
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: work out so well for you at this job. And

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00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: these are the type of tactics that they will continue

641
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: to employ. I have no doubt that they will. You know,

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00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: they won't spare any expenses to try to stop these

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Speaker 1: union efforts in every single store across the country. But again,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo really showed the way. And so in Buffalo you

645
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Speaker 1: had a comparatively favorable context because you have a town

646
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Speaker 1: that has a union history. New York, I think is

647
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: the most heavily unionized state in the country, so you

648
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Speaker 1: have sort of union muscle memory. You probably have workers

649
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Speaker 1: who have family members in unions. You just had the

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Speaker 1: India Walton campaign that also inspired people in that direction.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people also mentioned the Bernie Sanders campaign

652
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Speaker 1: as being an inspiration and helping to help them understand

653
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Speaker 1: the power and importance of solidarity. But now with Buffalo

654
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Speaker 1: having had a couple of successful efforts, you see this

655
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Speaker 1: happening in states that have union histories and states that

656
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: have been virulently anti union for a long time. So

657
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: this is their worst fear. And by the way, you know,

658
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: we shouldn't expect that it just stops at Starbucks, because

659
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: once other workers and other chains see that this is possible,

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00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: that these workers were able to succeed, and especially if

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Speaker 1: they're able to win a contract that gives them some

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00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: real power in their workplace. Well, a lot of people

663
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Speaker 1: around the country are going to take note of that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the next a lot of big battles.

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Speaker 1: I mean, every one of these fights is going to

666
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Speaker 1: be a giant battle. But for the stores that did

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Speaker 1: unionize in Buffalo, oftentimes what companies will do is they

668
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Speaker 1: will not negotiate a contract in good faith, and so

669
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Speaker 1: you can end up with a year later and still

670
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: no contract negotiated, and that's allowed under current love. They

671
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: can basically just you know, drag their feet, pretend like

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Speaker 1: they're negotiating, but really not be negotiating in good faith,

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Speaker 1: and so you end up with a union that's kind

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Speaker 1: of meaningless because you don't you weren't able to negotiate

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Speaker 1: a contract with your employer. So that's going to be

676
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Speaker 1: the next big fight for these For these shops that

677
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Speaker 1: have voted to unionize, they just started contract negotiation. So

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Speaker 1: that's something we're going to follow very closely. There's another

679
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: story that we wanted to talk about on the union front.

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00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: This is too perfect, too perfect. Let's go ahead and

681
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: throw this tear sheet up on the screen. Guess who

682
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: Jim Clyburn once on the Supreme Court? Oh? Who is it?

683
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: A management side labor attorney from South Carolina, who's a

684
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Speaker 1: lot of her legal work was helping employers fend off

685
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Speaker 1: claims that they were, you know, violating people's civil rights

686
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Speaker 1: and remating against them ability. She also the firm that

687
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Speaker 1: she worked for next in Pruit, they say, where Childs

688
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: was a partner, has for years boasted of its anti

689
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: union services, advertising to firms hoping and keep their workplace

690
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: union free, offering strength and unfair labor practice and union

691
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: representation issues, and warning against the impacts of the pro act.

692
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Speaker 1: Of course, that's the unionization bil that ended up going

693
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Speaker 1: nowhere in the Biden administration. Still would be good if

694
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Speaker 1: it ever actually happened. I mean, how perfect does this?

695
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: And remember Clyburne is the person who got Biden to

696
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: make the black woman pledged to start with. Of course,

697
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: he basically is the reason why Biden is President of

698
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: the United States, very influential in gett Kamala Harrison as

699
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: vice president as well. And oh, by the way, part

700
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Speaker 1: of what he promises with this potential pick her name's

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Speaker 1: Michelle Child, South Carolina District Court Judge Michelle Child is

702
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: that it could be bipartisan because Lindsey Graham also loves

703
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: her sagas a little bit of lovely bipartisanship here in

704
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: favor of the union busting lawyer that they want to

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00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: put on the Sumac. Look, she's a black woman, so

706
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: what do I care. This is where it leads you, right, Oh,

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00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: she's a black woman. Awesome. Oh what does she actually

708
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: stand for? Oh? Union busting? And actually, you know, one

709
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: of the things that they point to in this case

710
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: that she was involved in was when a black woman

711
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: who alleged race and pregnancy discrimination in a situation where

712
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: the company denied her a promotion and then terminated her outright,

713
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: she argued on the company's side in order to try

714
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: and destroy this lady. Yeah, that's really helping and uplifting

715
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: other black women. Michelle. Thank you. You know, Judge Childs

716
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: or whatever the honorific is. This is where identity politics

717
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: is going to lead you. And nobody in the media

718
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: is actually gonna tell you the real stories. I just

719
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: it's so pathetic every time we reduce somebody down to

720
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, whatever they are, and they're gonna you know,

721
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: even if she does get the tap, they'll be like,

722
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's historic. Yeah, okay, yeah, And if

723
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Speaker 1: you say otherwise, yeah, yeah, right, I'm not coming me.

724
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean and look, I want to say some of

725
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: the other picks that Biden is reportedly floating seem like

726
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: they have a much better record and would be much

727
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: better on the cord. There are plenty of black women

728
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: who would be well qualified and not be corporate shells

729
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: like this woman has apparently been throughout her career and

730
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: also as in her tenure as judge. But it really

731
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: does kind of say it all because you can gloss

732
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: it over, and this is what Starbucks says to gloss

733
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Speaker 1: it over with this progressive sheen just based on the

734
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: identity piece that's very visible, it's very easy to see,

735
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: it's easily weaponized, and then hide all of who they're

736
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: actually carrying water for and the way that she has

737
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: directly deserved the interest of the black community in her

738
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: own work. You can hide that underneath the surface, and

739
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: very few media outlets would have the courage to report

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Speaker 1: on it. So interesting little development there that we will

741
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: also be watching. What is a media outlet that wouldn't

742
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: report on it, Crystal maybe MSNBC. Great little thank you

743
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: for that lay up there, Sager. Okay, so we've been

744
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: tracking and it was weird that this didn't get more

745
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: attention before. We've been tracking Rachel Mattow renegotiate our contract

746
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: with MSMBC, but there was a big caveat that she

747
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: was effectively given provision and planning to step back from

748
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: her daily show. Now, the expectation was that that wouldn't

749
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: really happen till kind of the end of the year.

750
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: Apparently insiders were thinking she might take some time off

751
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: in the spring. Well, that initial time off has come

752
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: a lot more quickly than people expected. Let's go ahead

753
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: and throw this insider tear sheet up on the screen.

754
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: And I think that this happened last night, that she

755
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: announced her viewers that she's going to take a temporary

756
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: break from her msmb C show to work on movie

757
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: and podcast projects. The movie we Know, is based on

758
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: her other book and podcast, bag Man, about a nineteen

759
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: seventies political bribery scandal, is going to be directed by

760
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: Ben Stiller. She is going to serve as executive producer.

761
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: So that's the movie project. Apparently she also wants to

762
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: work on a new podcast project. But this is just

763
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: a reminder saga. I mean, Rachel Maddow is the most

764
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: It's not even close. Rachel Maddow made MSNBC. She's the anchor.

765
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: She created the modern environment. Everything stands a froight. So

766
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: the initial initially just for people who don't know the

767
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: whole history. MSNBC wanted to just be like a competitor

768
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: to CNN, and so they had programming. It was all

769
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of scattershot, it was low quality, was bad. And

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Speaker 1: then they stumbled on Keith Olberman who had this, you know,

771
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: really aggressive, very popular show. It was a very good

772
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: show honestly in the cable news world and relatively pioneering.

773
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: Took sort of like the sports center type of model

774
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: and applied it to the political world. And he's this

775
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: very strident voice against the Bush administration, which is what

776
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: the country really wanted at the time, and they weren't

777
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: getting it anywhere else. And so he takes off and

778
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: out of that success, they say, oh there's there's something here.

779
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: So this was never like a oh we believe in

780
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: progressive values thing. It was always an I need like

781
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: a money play. I mean, that's what this was all about.

782
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: They saw the writings for old women that this works.

783
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: Rachel who you know, came out of Air America. She

784
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: was part of the regular guests on Olberman show, and

785
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: then she ends up with her own show, and then

786
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: Olberman implodes and is a total asshole to everyone and

787
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: everyone hates them, and he gets fired, and so she

788
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: becomes really the tent pole for MSNBC, and the whole

789
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: model and who their audience is now really develops from that.

790
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: You know, they push out voices like Ed Schultz, people

791
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: who were more sort of like that old working class

792
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: base of the Democratic Party. They lean into the professorial,

793
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: the Rachel Matta, the Chris Hayes, that liberal, affluent direction

794
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party. Of course, she's the chief Russigate proponent,

795
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: pushes them, you know, as far into conspiracy land as

796
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: they possibly can go. But you know, in terms of

797
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: what she does, she is the one person there who

798
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: has a real dedicated audience. They have no one, and

799
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: they show up for her in a big way. Fifty

800
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: nine or what I forgot I don't even know which,

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00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: twenty Yeah, I can't remember, Okay, anyway, they all come

802
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: and turn the TV on for Rachel. Yes, and so

803
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: no one else that that network has that power. Nobody does,

804
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: and there's very few and Cable does so have that power. Overall,

805
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: there is no one there who can possibly fill their shoes,

806
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: and they know it. Apparently, here's the next the next

807
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: piece of news, let's put Axios up on the screen.

808
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: So Axios had just broken news of other big shakeups.

809
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: So Brian Williams leaving the eleven pm Stephanie Rule is

810
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: being moved into that eleven pm hour, so she could

811
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: tell us what Wall Street's thinking at eleven pm instead

812
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: of at nine am or whenever she was before. Who

813
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: was going to watch that? What what are they thinking?

814
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: And the really funny thing to me is that they

815
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: again have no one to fill even those shoes nine

816
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: am outs, let alone Rachel Maddow's shoes. They don't even

817
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: have anyone to fill safe Stephanie rules shoes at nine

818
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: a m. So they're just extending Mourning Joe for a

819
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: fourth hour because that's what the country that's really people,

820
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: because other people are desperate for four hours of Joe

821
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: and Mika. Yeah, that's a great point that you had.

822
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: I hadn't even considered, which is they have so little

823
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: bench of talent that they're like, oh no, our only

824
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: flagship Morning product is extend that thing for an hour

825
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: and pay everybody like twenty five percent more. This is

826
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: really bad for them. I mean this is an existential,

827
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, almost extinction level event, because the thing is

828
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Speaker 1: is that their flagship news product was Meet the Press,

829
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: but Meet the Press was dying in the Trumpet or

830
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: in the Biden era. So they take Chuck Todd and

831
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: they bump them down. They give the five PM hour

832
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Speaker 1: to Nicole Wallace. So now you had two hours of

833
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: Russiagate madness on top of with a little sandwich until

834
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Speaker 1: you get to Rachel Maddow, which is the queen of

835
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: Russiagate herself, And obviously you have elite as an hour

836
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Speaker 1: on Morning Joe. But the problem is that now they

837
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Speaker 1: have to extend Morning Joe. Then they extended Nicole Wallace.

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00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: Now well they have nobody in the primetime. What are

839
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: they gonna do. Who is gonna take over? They have

840
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: nobody now who can compete with Tucker. I mean Rachel

841
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: basically was the liberal Tucker and now it's dead, I

842
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: mean dead in the water. Chris Hayes and who is it? O'Donnell.

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00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: They don't even come close to the numbers of what

844
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to put up. So you know,

845
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: this is a real disaster for them, but it also

846
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: just shows that they don't know what the hell to do.

847
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: They truly have no idea. By all accounts, their streaming

848
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: efforts have been a failure, made Hawsen Show and Zerlina

849
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: Maxwell complete disaster. A lot of their peacock news type

850
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: content they're trying to launch, some like NBC News Today Show,

851
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: behind the paywall stuff. Nobody cares. It's just like CNN,

852
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? And now they don't have

853
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: anything to say. I think that's actually the biggest problem,

854
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: which is, look, I don't watch Rachel Maddow, but at

855
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, Biden sucks. What are you

856
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: gonna do? You're gonna defend him? There ain't no Biden

857
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: bros who are out there who are like tuning in

858
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: every single night in order to hear how great he is.

859
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: And then there's no bench we want to tune into

860
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: the Kamala Hour, the Pete Hour. I mean, what are

861
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: these people gonna do. They don't have a central guiding narrative.

862
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: Their boogeyman is gone. The conspiracy theories have been dwindling

863
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: for a while, and so it's a real problem. I mean,

864
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: they built ultimately their network around the emerging Democratic base,

865
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: which was these affluent white suburbanites. And that's great until

866
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: it's not because those people are fickle. They tune out

867
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: to them. Politics is something that you care about as

868
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: a lifestyle brand. When Trump is in power, and after that,

869
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: everybody just goes on to going back to brunch and

870
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: making a whole lot of money. So now what are

871
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: they gonna do? NBC News is rudderless. I mean, they

872
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: just hired freaking Stephen Hayes even they covered yesterday the

873
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: Iraq War propagandist and liar. They're trying to do the

874
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: never Trump thing. They can't lose their existing upper middle

875
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: class white Libs, but they can't expand elsewhere. Young people

876
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: don't care what they have to say. It's a real

877
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: you just I feel so bad them. Yeah, well, I'm

878
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: just shedding. What are they crocodile teers? I've got real

879
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: crocodile tears. I do feel like your point about they

880
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: have nothing to say is probably the most important one,

881
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: because I was looking at what has Racial Mattow been covering.

882
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: I pulled up the Meadow blog and it's all January

883
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: sixth investigation stuff for that and you know, I think,

884
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: as we tried to demonstrate on the actual day of

885
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: January sixth and try to you know, take it seriously

886
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: in what it actually meant for the country, there are

887
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: ways you could talk about the things that led us

888
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: to January six and a genuine crisis of democracy that

889
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: the country really is facing, that truly is an exotential

890
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: threat in terms of the America that you know, we'd

891
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: like to believe in. But of course, I mean, they

892
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: don't do that. All they do is the like Trump bad,

893
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: Republicans are bad, and Trump's bad again, and Republicans are

894
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: bad and okay, okay, we got it, Like we got

895
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: got that message. How it ends up not being all

896
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: that interesting after a while, Like, okay, take it a

897
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: level deeper. Why, okay, if they're so bad, why are

898
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: people supporting them? What's behind that? What's going on there?

899
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: What are maybe some failures on the democratic side? What

900
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: are like how did the country end up in this

901
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: place where people who okay, we get it, are bad

902
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: and evil? How did they end up with so much

903
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: power and with so many people fervently believing in the

904
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: project that they're engaged in. That doesn't that sort of

905
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: introspective conversation like they're they can't they can't engage in

906
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: because it would go against their sponsors in the DNC.

907
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, they've cultivated an audience base that and and

908
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: told them that if they elected Biden they could go

909
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: back to brunch and they don't. They did, and they did.

910
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: So that's that's essentially what's happened here. And I'm sure

911
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: that's there's no it's no accident that in that environment

912
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: rached somebody you know, is who put her politics in

913
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: her conspiracy theory theorizing a size, very talented Rachel Matto

914
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: looks at that landscape and says, this is not all

915
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: that interesting. Let me go and do something else. So

916
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: I do think that they have a real kind of

917
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: crisis on their hands with her moving on. I mean,

918
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: she's still got to be with the network. She'll be

919
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: there for big events, but in terms of her daily show,

920
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: it's days are numbered and they have nothing to fill

921
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: the game. I got nothing. I cannot wait to see

922
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: this thing crash and burn. Okay, So speaking of media

923
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: and more, obviously we've been tracking the Rogan story, the

924
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: Neil Young element, but to me, the most disturbing part

925
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: has been watching the vultures in cable news and in

926
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: media who have hated Rogan for years take the gloves

927
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: off and throw everything at Spotify in order to try

928
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: and destroy him. And chief among them has been CNN,

929
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: who are the most disgraceful gist. I have difficult words

930
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: to describe them in the attacks that they have wrought

931
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: upon Rogan, upon Spotify and more. And they recently had

932
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: a panel on on CNN which really gives away the

933
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: entire game about why they hate Rogan so much in

934
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: the first place. Let's take a listen. KT you wrote

935
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: on Twitter about Spotify. You went viral for a comment

936
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: about it yesterday. Tell us your point of view first

937
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: about this Spotify mess, because it's really dominated the week. Yeah.

938
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: You know, what I think is interesting about the backlash

939
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: against Spotify vias Joe Rogan is that, you know, people

940
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: are fundamentally angry about not being able to stop his

941
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: audience from wanting news that is bad for them, you know,

942
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: wanting something that's bad for them. So you know, we're

943
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: all haunted by the specter of this guy who's listening

944
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: to Joe Rogan and internalizing this bad information and making

945
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: bad choices. As a result, but bad information, bad choices

946
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: as a result. Who are you to decide what bad

947
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: information is? And I love haunted by the specter, I

948
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, cheek sheepishly was like, I'm haunted by the

949
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: specter that anybody watches that, that that has any power.

950
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: That haunts me to my day When I go to

951
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: the last thing I think is, oh my god, I

952
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: can't believe people are watching CNN, MSNBC, Fox News and

953
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: getting and consuming this garbage. I mean, how ask yourself this.

954
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: You know, those annoying relatives out there, you know how

955
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: many of them been brainwashed by Cable? How many have

956
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: been been brainwashed in the same combative and adversarial way

957
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: by Rogan. We all know the answer to that question.

958
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: And you know this, This is really pernicious, Crystal, because

959
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: we're watching this happen in real time more from a

960
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: media effort to cap opponent essentially much more so than

961
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: it has any real objection on vaccines. I highlighted yesterday

962
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: one of our listeners, thank you to this person sent

963
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: me this. But move on. You know, the progress I

964
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: don't know what do you call them? Like a resistance organization?

965
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to described Carden. I used to

966
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: like come back when they were like it was like

967
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: some of my first place pople awakening. Now they're just okay,

968
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: So move On. In some group called Ultraviolet, which is

969
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: some abortion it's an offspring of move On. I think

970
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: they used their had their same mailing list and they

971
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: use it for like, you know, feminist choice that sort.

972
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: So the feminist group move On, feminist group Ultraviolet and

973
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: move On teamed up and they sent out an email

974
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: to millions of people yesterday. So this is the title

975
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: sign the petition remove racist and conspiracy theorist Joe Rogan's

976
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: podcast from Spotify Now do your move On members. Scottif

977
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: has an incredible number of podcasts, but Spotify is an

978
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: issue with disinformation extremism. The streaming services number one podcaster

979
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: is none other than the racist, transphobic, conspiracy theorist Joe Rogan. Geez,

980
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: that's the you know, the trifecta. Last week, Neil Young

981
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: posted a letter sign Ultra Violets petition now to stop

982
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: the spread of disinformation and remove the Joe Rogan experience.

983
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: This is has merged into a full fledged cancelation campaign.

984
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: This is what I was talking about in my monologue yesterday.

985
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: There are big, big interests here that are all at play,

986
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: and I think that CNN, in them, especially Brian stealth

987
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: Or is the chief among them, has been declaring war

988
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: on Rogan, both on their Twitter feeds, in terms of

989
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: the cable news appearances and more. There was another one

990
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: yesterday Crystal which we wanted to highlight here of Oliver

991
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: Darcy talking about how Rogan doesn't fact check his information

992
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: like they fact checked their information. They say this stuff

993
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: with a straight face. Take a listen, and yet Joe

994
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: Rogan has the number one podcast on Spotify. Millions of

995
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: people listen to him. Audiences are choosing him. Why what

996
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: is it about him? Clearly he connects. Yeah, I think

997
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: it's maybe that's it's an unscripted conversation. He does have

998
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: these people on who are not really given platforms in

999
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: major media institutions, and that's because they are, you know,

1000
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: spouting all these sort of anti vaccine rhetoric, things that

1001
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: are not in line with the public health consensus. Look

1002
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: at CNN, we have a health desk. We make sure

1003
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: that the information that we provide viewers is is accurate.

1004
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: Most major outlets have some sort of system in place

1005
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: to do that. Joe Rogan's having a conversation with people

1006
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: that you know, he finds interesting and they might attract

1007
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: eyeballs or I guess ears, but they are not reflecting

1008
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: the public health consensus. And I think that's really what's

1009
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: unnerved a lot of people over the past few weeks. Yes, Crystal,

1010
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: CNN of course is famous for putting on only the

1011
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: best experts with the best information and the you know,

1012
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: they have the good information, not the bad. And they've

1013
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: been right about everything, right, They've been right right, Let alone,

1014
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: let alone the wars. Yeah, this is you know, Matt

1015
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: Stolar tweeted something this morning. Let me go ahead and

1016
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: read this. I just think it was so so perfect,

1017
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: which was basically, you know, until unless Joe Rogan goes

1018
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: ahead and starts a few wars and start prints trillions

1019
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: of dollars to his friends, then we can cancel him.

1020
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: Until then, f off. And you know that is perfectly

1021
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: well said. When CNN fires all their CIA intelligence guls

1022
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: and others from their network and they stop promoting you know,

1023
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: absolutely bonkers anti science stuff when it comes to COVID,

1024
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: not to mention the Russia Gate lies, not to mention

1025
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: so much of the pernicious forces that have been released

1026
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: across this country, then perhaps we can handle a conversation

1027
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: around a freaking comedy podcast. But until then, shut up.

1028
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, watching this war really take hold. I mean,

1029
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm seeing very prominent people saying, now, let's start with

1030
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's advertisers posting a list of the advertisers trying

1031
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: to incite a boycott. I've watched this whole thing happen

1032
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: with Fox News in the past, and don't you for

1033
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: a second think that this isn't going to have an effect.

1034
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: I've tried to explain this yesterday. Yes, Spotify might back Rogan,

1035
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: what about the next one? You think they're gonna buy him?

1036
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. To Megan's gonna be fine, of course,

1037
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: and he would be regardless. He els right, even if

1038
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't think this will happen. But even if Spotify

1039
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: was like your violation contract, okay, I mean, his viewers

1040
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: are going to follow him. He's gonna be perfectly fine.

1041
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: And he also, I think has capitalism on his side

1042
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: because he's made Spotify a lot of money, brought over

1043
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: a lot of new listeners and new users of their platform.

1044
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: You know, not just to listen to him, but to

1045
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: listen to other content that is there and engage with

1046
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: their other podcasts that are there. So I think he

1047
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: has capitalism on his side in this particular interaction. The

1048
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: problem is that as you were saying, what about the

1049
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: next person who's coming up, who doesn't have eleven million

1050
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, listeners in their audience, who who's new, who's

1051
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: just getting their start, who's a little bit edgy. Are

1052
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: they going to take a risk on them? Probably not.

1053
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: That's where this stuff gets really pernicious, because you know

1054
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 1: people who say basically like, oh, cancel, culture isn't real.

1055
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: They'll point to somebody like Rogan. I'm like, oh, yeah,

1056
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: we canceled Rogan so hard that he still has eleven

1057
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,959
Speaker 1: million listeners to his podcast. The problem isn't actually those

1058
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: people who were kind of too big to cancel. The

1059
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,479
Speaker 1: problem is all the folks who come after that, who,

1060
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: you know, we may not have such a clear capitalist

1061
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: win written all over them, and companies will just do

1062
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: the cost benefit calculation and decide, you know what, this

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Speaker 1: isn't worth headache, this isn't ultimately worth the risk, and

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Speaker 1: so you end up with the pipeline that's coming up,

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00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: being totally sanitized, being totally establishment friendly. It's only you're

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00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: allowed to be wrong, but only in the ways that are,

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00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, good for the establishment, good for making new wars,

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00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: or like giving more billions to rich people. Those are

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00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: the types of people who are allowed to be wrong.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Hayes is just the absolute perfect example here. I mean,

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00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday. NBC News hires this guy. Hey,

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00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: it was the worst, the number one proponent of this

1073
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: fake link between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. But

1074
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: does he need to be censored? Is anyone boycotting him?

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00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: Are they putting trigger warnings on his appearances? Are they

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00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: even disclosing that he was part of that? No. Rachel

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00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: matt is another perfect example. The crap that she sewed.

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00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean, she was so incredibly damaging to the liberal

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00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: mind because she is so influential and because she was

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Speaker 1: so relentless with this Russia Gate nonsense. It really has

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Speaker 1: poisoned people who believed in her and who trusted her

1082
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: to believe these wild conspiracies and have this totally insane

1083
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: view of the threat from Russia in their heads, which

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00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: has completely screwed up our geopolitics and created very dangerous

1085
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: situations and made it less likely that we can solve

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00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: the problem in Ukraine through peaceful and diplomatic means. So

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Speaker 1: those things are incredibly damaging. They're, you know, the the

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00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: absolute definition of misinformation, and no one is worried about

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00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: that whatsoever. You know. I think it's really the part

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00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: that I'm really disgusted with right now is there's this

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00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: new effort. You know, not only is he is Rogan

1092
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: like anti vax, but now he's an open racist. And

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Speaker 1: I saw this. So I mentioned yesterday there was this

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00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: New York Times reporter who tweeted what I thought was

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00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: a reasonable thought. He said, Joe Rogan is what he is,

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00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: We in the media might want to spend more time

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00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: thinking about why so many people trust him instead of us.

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00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: Good point, Yeah, reasonable line of inquiry. I don't know

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Speaker 1: who you are out there, Thanks for being one of

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Speaker 1: the same ones. Yeah. So that's a New York Times reporter,

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Speaker 1: Matthew Rosenberg, and in the replies, his colleague Nicole Hannah Jones,

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Speaker 1: of course says, with respect, I don't get this. We

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Speaker 1: need to understand why millions of Americans don't mind the

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Speaker 1: open racism. It's not a mystery, been reporting on it

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00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: for years, So what do we do with that? And actually,

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Speaker 1: first of all, in this in her reply, she's not

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00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: just attacking Rogan, which is one thing. She's saying, everybody

1108
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,479
Speaker 1: who listens to him and enjoys his podcast is good

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00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: with open racism and is basically a racist themselves. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And her question there what do we do with that?

1111
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: Is actually really important one because if you're operating political

1112
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: assumption is just that all these people are racist, So

1113
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Well? That lets everybody with

1114
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: power off the hook from actually trying to do anything.

1115
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: That's how you end up with, you know, Democrats losing

1116
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: Virginia and going out well, even though this is a

1117
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: state that just elected Biden by ten points and is

1118
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: elected Democrats up and down the ballot, what are you

1119
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: going to do? It's just the people got super racist,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, we we can't possibly win against this,

1121
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: and so we're insulated from any sort of criticism of

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00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: what we've ultimately been engaged in. That's why that's all

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00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: so incredibly ultimately pernicious and disturbing. No, it is, and

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Speaker 1: I really want to emphasize this which is that if

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Speaker 1: you're coming up right now, you know this is a

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00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: shot at all of us. You know, I was thinking

1127
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: about it. My monologue today is about boosters for children.

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Speaker 1: If we were trying to get by Spotify, that would

1129
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Speaker 1: be an idiot to do that monologue. Right, It's definitely

1130
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: gonna get whatever labeled or whatever. I don't because that's

1131
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: why we do this show. But you have to make

1132
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: that conscious choice. Now we're okay, we designed the business

1133
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: with our premium stuff in order to make sure that

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Speaker 1: we don't care whatsoever. But not a lot of people

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01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: have that luxury. Well, if you were not starting now

1136
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: three years ago and you know you're like, oh man,

1137
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: this is the only way to get it done, what

1138
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: would we do? I mean seriously, and this is what

1139
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: it's all about. It's about encouraging people down the line,

1140
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: the next generation, to self censor, to stop themselves from

1141
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: creating stuff. Not only do people want covering the stories

1142
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: that are necessary to a real public and free society.

1143
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: So if people want to know why I'm personally so

1144
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: animated about this is I know what it does to

1145
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: the people out there who don't have the same freedom

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01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: that we do. I know how much they have to

1147
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: censor themselves. How many famous people out there agree with Rogan,

1148
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: agree with us, they can't say a word because they're

1149
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 1: going to lose their Hollywood dealer. Well yeah, and that

1150
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: is the thing too, is if you're going to engage

1151
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: in something that's interesting and take risks, sometimes you're going

1152
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: to get things wrong. Yes, you know, and I do

1153
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: think that those two podcasts with Malone and McCullough, like

1154
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: those guys are very good at sewing misinformation about the

1155
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Speaker 1: vaccine and only talking about the risk and cherry picking

1156
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: the evidence and just getting some things that are just

1157
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: completely blatantly wrong. For example, as we talk to doctor

1158
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Speaker 1: Pursatt about hydroxychloroquin does not work well the one that

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Speaker 1: we bother, McCalla said that you can't get COVID twice

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01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's do It's just like flat

1161
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: not true, right, I mean, we personally know people that

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Speaker 1: that's the case. But again, if you're going to engage

1163
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Speaker 1: in this world, sometimes you're going to get things wrong.

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Speaker 1: What do we do then, what's the process for saying,

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Speaker 1: you know what, here's how I'm going to change things

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01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: moving forward, Here's how I'm going to adjust to this

1167
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: learning experience and a society with no path to like

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: forgiveness or learning, where you have to be right all

1169
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: the and you have to have been right your whole life.

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Speaker 1: That's an ugly place to be and nobody, no one

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Speaker 1: in this entire country is ever going to meet that standard.

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Speaker 1: That's all right, Sager, what are you looking at? Well?

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned here before, I try to highlight some

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Speaker 1: of the worst COVID insanity stories that I can on

1175
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: the show, to spotlight the worst actors and stand up

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Speaker 1: for the people that I believe have the least power

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Speaker 1: in our society. That's children and students. Obviously, kids themselves

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01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: can't vote, Students have no real power beyond their voice.

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01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: They rely on us to mediate and set the conditions

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Speaker 1: in which they go through their most formative years. So

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Speaker 1: it would follow then that we have a sacred responsibility

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01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: to consider policies which govern them the most seriously. Now,

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Speaker 1: perhaps he saw the story I posted about Johns Hopkins student.

1184
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: It was vaccinated, he contracted COVID twice. He had a

1185
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: medical exemption from the booster that was then denied by

1186
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Speaker 1: the university, who said they didn't agree with his doctor's conclusion.

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Speaker 1: It's the most extreme example yet of a trend of

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Speaker 1: booster mandate across the United States for children and for

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Speaker 1: college students, and yet nobody has stopped and asked the question,

1190
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Speaker 1: does any of this make any sense whatsoever? Luckily, journalist David'swig,

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Speaker 1: who wrote on the absurdity of school masking, is out

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Speaker 1: with a new investigation into booster mandates for kids. David

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Speaker 1: correctly points out that while at the university level, booster

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01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: mandates are already very real, there are signs they may

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Speaker 1: be become real even for much younger children below the

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Speaker 1: age of eighteen. New York specifically has already updated its

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Speaker 1: guidance to say that if kids twelve and older are

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Speaker 1: exposed to a positive individual, only those who are boosted

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Speaker 1: will be allowed to play sports and participate in extracurricular activity,

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Speaker 1: and Hawaii's governor has said he's going to require boosters

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Speaker 1: for visitors. It is possible soft booster mandates will be

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Speaker 1: in effect for many places with children in the future.

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Speaker 1: So does that make any sense? As David points out,

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Speaker 1: what's everybody else doing? Let's start with that question. Well,

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Speaker 1: the UK only allows a booster shot for people between

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Speaker 1: twelve and fifteen who are very very high risk. Finland

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Speaker 1: has the same policy. In Ireland, you can't get a

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Speaker 1: booster if you're below the age of sixteen. In many

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Speaker 1: developed places like Denmark, Sweden, Japan and Spain, boosters are

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Speaker 1: for adults only. Norway doesn't even give second doses to

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Speaker 1: people between twelve and fifteen years old. Just one. Why Look,

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Speaker 1: it all comes down to the risk of myocarditis, the

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Speaker 1: inflammation of the heart, and the incidents of this condition

1214
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Speaker 1: compared to its incidents from contracting COVID if you're a child. Now,

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Speaker 1: David quotes both doctor Monica Gandhi of the University of California,

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, a bonafide infectious disease specialist in her own right,

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Speaker 1: and doctor Paul Offitt. He's the director of the Vaccine

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Speaker 1: Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, and in

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Speaker 1: the case of Gandhi, she said she would not give

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Speaker 1: a booster her twelve and fourteen year old sons. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Offitt said he advised his own son in his twenties

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Speaker 1: not to get one while discussing the risk of getting

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Speaker 1: one for a healthy seventeen year old boy. Now, the

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Speaker 1: experts don't stop there. The who his own chief scientist,

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Speaker 1: doctor Samia Swamitan, said, quote, there is no evidence healthy

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Speaker 1: children or healthy adolescents need boosters, no evidence at all.

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Speaker 1: All of this is predicated currently on recent data that

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Speaker 1: David has reviewed from the Israeli Ministry of Health and

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Speaker 1: the Canadian government, models and trial data from Pfizer, and

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Speaker 1: studies in peer review journals, all of them quote suggests

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Speaker 1: that the CDC has downplayed the prevalence and severity end

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Speaker 1: quote of myocardidis amongst children and specifically younger men. David

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Speaker 1: quotes specific studies from Kaiser Permanente, the University of Oxford,

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Speaker 1: and the FDA's own memo, which show instances of myocarditis

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Speaker 1: amongst younger individuals who get a booster, but in the

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Speaker 1: question of severity, the results are actually stunning. David, upon

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Speaker 1: reviewing the CDC's own slides, finds, quote, if you are

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Speaker 1: a young male who is vaccinated, you have two choices.

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Speaker 1: Option A, don't get a booster and run a point

1240
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: three to one hundred thousand risk of ending up in

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Speaker 1: the hospital with COVID. Option B get the boot and

1242
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: you run a ten to one hundred thousand risk of

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Speaker 1: getting myocarditis. That number was then confirmed to David by

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Speaker 1: doctor Sarah Long. She's a member of the CDC Advisory

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Speaker 1: Committee and a pediatric infectious specialist at Drexel University. But

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Speaker 1: to be fair, she says this the sample size was

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Speaker 1: too small. It was only twenty thousand doses to males,

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Speaker 1: which is too small to extrapolate. Then, so there's that.

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Speaker 1: But Long did admit to David quote, we made the decision,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, without any data on safety. And she

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Speaker 1: herself was somebody who voted to authorize the booster shot

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Speaker 1: for twelve to fifteen year olds. So to be clear,

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Speaker 1: the United States is the most extreme in its recommendations

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Speaker 1: that all kids over twelve get boosted. The process through

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Speaker 1: which the booster shot itself was authorized did not consider

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Speaker 1: safety data. By their own admission, the safety data shows

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Speaker 1: the opposite results that we do have that we would

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Speaker 1: want for children. And given all of that, the mainstream

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Speaker 1: media is ignoring all of this entirely, while various governments

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Speaker 1: take the CDC's recommendations, which at this point you should

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Speaker 1: probably we consider anti scientific and scientific in their own right,

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Speaker 1: and turning them into mandates for private institutions and perhaps

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Speaker 1: even children. The case for mandatory booster shots for kids

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Speaker 1: is honestly worse than the case to mass kids in school.

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Speaker 1: With mass the evidence is inconclusive at best. With boosters,

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Speaker 1: the evidence that we do have, and I want to

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Speaker 1: stress do have, shows actual possible harm in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 1: I say this as someone who is champion the vaccine

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Speaker 1: vaccinated myself. It dramatically reduces hospitalization and death, which is

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Speaker 1: all that really matters in a society that accepts by

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Speaker 1: and large that COVID is here to stay forever. And

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Speaker 1: with boosters themselves, for adults, I recommend them, especially if

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Speaker 1: you are obese or have a health condition, then it

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Speaker 1: sounds like a great idea for you. But for kids,

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Speaker 1: it's incumbent upon us to do everything in our power

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Speaker 1: to keep both kids safe and develop policy for them

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Speaker 1: in the most rigorous of rigorous manners. A child's life

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Speaker 1: is the most precious and innocent thing that exists. Negligence

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Speaker 1: in the outright callousness that these policies are being developed

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Speaker 1: with will have far ranging consequences for many years to come.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you read this piece, Crystal, and it's absolutely stunning,

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Speaker 1: And I want to say this too, and if you

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Speaker 1: want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue. Become a

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Speaker 1: premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com, Crystal, what are

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Speaker 1: you taking a look at? Well, guys, as you probably know,

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Speaker 1: California is effectively a one party state. Democrats hold the

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Speaker 1: governor's mansion, they hold thirty one out of forty state

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Speaker 1: Senate seats, and they hold fifty six out of eighty

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Speaker 1: Assembly seats. Whatever Democrats want in California they can accomplish.

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Speaker 1: And so it's with great interest that I've watched as

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Speaker 1: many of those elected Democrats try to avoid doing something

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Speaker 1: that they pretended to support and which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: their constituents overwhelmingly won, and that would be establishing a

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Speaker 1: single payer healthcare system in that state. So here is

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Speaker 1: the very latest in this news was breaking late last night.

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Speaker 1: Union's activists and progressive politicians have been trying to pass

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Speaker 1: single payer healthcare for decades in California. The most recent

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Speaker 1: attempt was back in twenty seventeen. That effort gained a

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Speaker 1: lot of steam falling Bernie's first presidential campaign. In fact,

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Speaker 1: single pair actually passed through the Senate in that state,

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Speaker 1: but the health insurers, they had a key ally in

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Speaker 1: Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon. They flooded his campaign coffers, along

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Speaker 1: with the coffers of the Democratic Party writ large with

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Speaker 1: millions in a campaign cash and lo and behold. Speaker

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Speaker 1: Rendon decided to not even bring single payer to the

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Speaker 1: floor for a vote. No one would have to take

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Speaker 1: a tough vote to show whether they sided with the

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Speaker 1: people or with the corrupt corporate insurers, and the issue

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Speaker 1: was very effectively killed for that moment. But the fight

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Speaker 1: wasn't over. Single pair advocates got another shot with then

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Speaker 1: candidate Gavin Newsom, who backed the effort in his successful

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Speaker 1: run for governor. Newsom recognized that the issue was popular

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Speaker 1: for voters, and he was jocking for the endorsement of

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Speaker 1: an influential nurses union, so during that campaign, Newsom was

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Speaker 1: totally unequivocal. He even chided other politicians for their fake

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Speaker 1: support of universal health care. He tweeted, I'm tied politicians

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Speaker 1: saying they support single payer, but that it's too soon,

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Speaker 1: too expensive, or someone else's problem. So here we are

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, after a pandemic that saw economic

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Speaker 1: and health devastation, with California voters keenly interested in breaking

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Speaker 1: away from this rapacious for profit model that has had

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Speaker 1: such devastating consequences for their state and for the country.

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Speaker 1: And Newsom, well, he's no longer a candidate for office.

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Speaker 1: He's governor. He's leader of the California Democratic Party. No

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Speaker 1: one has more power over what that party backs and

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Speaker 1: prioritizes and what ultimately happens in the state. So last week,

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Speaker 1: a bill that would establish something called Calcare single payer

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Speaker 1: passed out of committee, sending it for a vote to

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Speaker 1: the full state Assembly. Newsom must be ecstatic, right, delighted

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Speaker 1: that a key campaign promises one step closer to fruition.

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Speaker 1: Thrilled politically that he can deliver on a popular issue

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Speaker 1: among California voters. Yeah, not so much. Whereas before, Newsom

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Speaker 1: was tired of politicians making excuses for not backing single payer,

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Speaker 1: now he is one of those politicians making excuses for

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Speaker 1: not backing single payer. When asked about this bill, he said, quote,

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Speaker 1: I've not had the opportunity to review that plan, and

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Speaker 1: no one has presented it to me. I think that

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Speaker 1: the ideal system is a single payer system. I've been

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Speaker 1: consistent with that for well over a decade. The difference

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Speaker 1: here is When you're in a position of responsibility, you've

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01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: got to apply, You've got to manifest the ideal. This

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Speaker 1: is hard work. It's one thing to say, it's another

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Speaker 1: to do. Indeed, it is one thing to say and

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Speaker 1: another to do. I will give you that one, and

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Speaker 1: I'll give you one. Guess what happened between campaign Newsom

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Speaker 1: throwing down for single payer and Governor Newsom getting all

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Speaker 1: weak need, Well, he got a whole raft of cash.

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Speaker 1: Our partner's over at the Daily Poster had this report

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Speaker 1: health Ensure Blue Shield of California has been forking over

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Speaker 1: multi million dollar donations to Newsom to his pet causes

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Speaker 1: into the California Democratic Party. We're talking ninety nine thousand

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Speaker 1: direct to Newsom's campaigns, two point seven million dollars to

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Speaker 1: the California Dems. That includes a one million dollar gift

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Speaker 1: to the state party just last summer. That was back

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Speaker 1: when Newsom was fighting back a recall effort one hundred

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Speaker 1: k and to Newsom's inaugural twenty million to a Newsom

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Speaker 1: backed homeless housing project. Now, this money has already reaped

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Speaker 1: great rewards for this insure. We previously covered here how

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Speaker 1: Newsom awarded Blue Shield a fifteen million dollar no bid

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Speaker 1: contract for vaccine distribution, in spite of the fact they

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Speaker 1: had absolutely no relevant expertise in setting up vaccination sites

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Speaker 1: or administering vaccines. But Blue Shield They're not the only

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Speaker 1: ones who have been funneling cash to Newsom in the

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Speaker 1: Dems and hopes that they will kill single Pair Anthem

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Speaker 1: United Health. They also have ponied up significant contributions. Now

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Speaker 1: by law in California, Yesterday, Monday, the last day of

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Speaker 1: the month, was the final day that the Calcare bill

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Speaker 1: could pass through the full House. Otherwise the effort would

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Speaker 1: once again die and have to be resurrected. So it

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Speaker 1: all came down to a single dramatic vote in the

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Speaker 1: state Assembly. Who would live up to their promises, who

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Speaker 1: was bought off by the insurance schools, would it have

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Speaker 1: enough votes among the super majority of Democrats to even

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Speaker 1: get through, And at the very last minute they did

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Speaker 1: the absolute worst possible thing again they killed the bill.

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Speaker 1: It was the exact same ending as last time. Once again,

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Speaker 1: not only did the insurers and their millions win the day,

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01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: but corrupt, bought and paid for politicians didn't even have

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Speaker 1: to come out of hiding to register their no vote,

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Speaker 1: and there is zero dobt here by the way that

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Speaker 1: Newsom's lack of support helped doom the bill. I would

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Speaker 1: be shocked if he wasn't twisting arms behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: to keep the vote from coming to the floor, because ultimately,

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Speaker 1: the lack of the vote benefits Newsome more than it

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01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: benefits anyone else. Now he doesn't have to display to

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Speaker 1: the world his fealty to the insurers and contend with

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Speaker 1: the possibility of an actual bill that's awaiting his signature. Now,

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Speaker 1: I want you to really take this one in. Whatever

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Speaker 1: you think of single payer, it is extremely popular in California.

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Speaker 1: In fact, in Newsom's recall election, pollsters found that a

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Speaker 1: Medicare for all type system was backlt by likely voters

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Speaker 1: by a margin of sixty to thirty four. And of course,

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Speaker 1: among the Democratic base, the very people who regularly show

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Speaker 1: up to elect these people and who kept Newsome in office,

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01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: it's supported by eighty six percent of voters. Not to mention,

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Speaker 1: the moral and the financial case for single payer is

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Speaker 1: really clear. And if you don't believe me, well you

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01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: could just ask Governor Newsom. The fact is we're already

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Speaker 1: spending three hundred and sixty seven point five billion dollars

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Speaker 1: a year on healthcare, according to UCLA, in this state,

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Speaker 1: seventy percent of it born by the taxpayers. A single

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Speaker 1: payer system drives down the cost of healthcare, drives down

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Speaker 1: the cost of prescription drugs through economies of scale, and

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01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: provides a more effective, efficient, and universal access for those

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01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: that are uninsured. You still have three million people in

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Speaker 1: the state of California without health insurance, and even through

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: color California, millions of others have seen double digit increases

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Speaker 1: over the course of the last few years in their premiums.

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Speaker 1: A single payer is the way to go to reduce

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Speaker 1: costs and provide comprehensive access. What's more, if California did

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Speaker 1: have a genuinely successful experiment with single payer, it'd be

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Speaker 1: an unbelievably powerful force for persuading nervous Americans that it

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01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: is a superior system to the current for profit deathscape.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to say, hey, you know, France managed

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01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: to pull this thing off, and quite another to say, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: look at the distant and foreign land of California. So,

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Speaker 1: to sum up, the people want single payer. They elected

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Speaker 1: a super majority of politicians who supposedly back single payer,

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01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: and yet single payer is dead because money ultimately matters

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01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: more than people. And yet Democrats will completely bewildered and

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Speaker 1: blame the voters when they fail to show up for

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Speaker 1: their next re election campaign. Quite a democracy we've got here,

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01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,759
Speaker 1: and this is why we can have nice things, Sager.

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01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: It is so demoralizing. And listen again, I obviously think

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01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: and if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Joining us.

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Speaker 1: Now we have the man himself, I Roarmy Osa from Pong.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, my friends. Good to see Army. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. This should be a hoot.

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Speaker 1: It always is, my friend. All right, let's throw your

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01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: latest piece up on the screen. That was very provocative.

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Speaker 1: You talk about COVID and the meaning of life, and

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01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: you go through sort of like at a higher level,

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Speaker 1: a philosophical level, how we should think about balancing taking

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01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: precautions in our life with living our life. Just talk

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01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: to us about why you want to driid this piece.

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Speaker 1: So we've gone through two years of a pandemic without

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Speaker 1: actually talking about the meaning of life, which is in

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Speaker 1: some way. It's kind of impressive considering that, you know,

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01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: these were always life and death discourses that were running

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Speaker 1: around in our heads and in our policy, but we've

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Speaker 1: never actually like drilled down on the meaning of life

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Speaker 1: because it's presumptuous. And this is why people don't talk

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Speaker 1: about the meaning of life. It just seems presumptuous. But

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01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, everything that has to do with anything important

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01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 1: is a little bit presumptuous. So we're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: little bit presumptuous in the next few minutes. And I

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01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: think that's appropriate. You know, we have a nation that

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Speaker 1: and if you don't actually talk about the meaning of life,

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01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: then the worries about life just go unregulated throughout our

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Speaker 1: political discourse, and we see it start like contorting other

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01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: aspects of meaning in our lives. So we actually have

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01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: to drill down and understand what it means. Less it's

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01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: just unregulated in a way. Unregulated metestasizes and screws up

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Speaker 1: all of our aspects of freedom. So yeah, let's let's

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Speaker 1: be presumptuous, because governing is it's self presumptuous. I'm saga, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Your monologues are presumptuous every day, and that's just our work.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna have to tell people what their life

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01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: means and they might not agree with it, or we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to actually hash this out right, right, So

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Speaker 1: I think, well, I think what I want to what

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Speaker 1: I want to focus on with you is that you've

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Speaker 1: always had a very not expansive but you've pushed back

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01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: on what the idea of freedom means. And so talk

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Speaker 1: about that in the context of what it means when

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Speaker 1: we're talking about restrictions and what it means to actually live.

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Speaker 1: Iro me right, So you have to understand that life

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Speaker 1: itself is fascinating and for no other reason, then it's

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Speaker 1: a prefiguration of freedom. It's the first prefiguration of freedom.

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Speaker 1: So what do I mean by when I say that

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Speaker 1: life is a prefiguration of freedom? Where you have like

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Speaker 1: mechanical causality, where everything in the world gets its properties

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Speaker 1: by being caused by something prior to it that makes

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01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: it what it is, and then you have electromagnetism, which

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01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: is kind of the same, and then chemistry is a

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Speaker 1: little bit different. But in all of these kind of

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Speaker 1: prior to biological scientists, you have things that we see

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Speaker 1: in the world, and those things are effects, and those

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01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: effects are effects of other things that were causes that

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01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: happen prior, right, So everything you see in the world

1481
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: is an effect of some prior cause. But with life,

1482
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: it gets a little bit different. Life calls its own number.

1483
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: It causes itself. Right, So you have let's talk about

1484
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 1: the form of life. You have a semi permeable membrane,

1485
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: and then some chemical interactions within that semipermanitable membrane, and

1486
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: then you have an inner and an outer and what

1487
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 1: gets in and outside of that semi permeable membrane is

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01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: for the sake of life itself. So life is in

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01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: a way, not consciously, but in a way acting to

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01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: cause itself. It's the reason for its own being. So

1491
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna have three. You're gonna have three components, right.

1492
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: You have the semi permeable membrane, the chemical reactions within

1493
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: the semi permeable memorrane, and the interdependent relationship between the

1494
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: chemical reactions within the semi permeable membrane and the membrane itself.

1495
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: And when I say that that's a prefiguration of freedom,

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01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: what do you think our nation is? It's a semi

1497
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: permeable membrane reactions within the semi like a certain set

1498
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: of reactions within the semipermeable memrane, and then kind of

1499
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: that addresses what gets in and what gets out for

1500
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: the sake of itself. Right, So that same structure is

1501
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:09,719
Speaker 1: going to be in all of our institutions of freedom,

1502
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: because that's what you need to not be externally determined,

1503
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: but to determine yourself, to realize yourself. Now, like I said,

1504
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,560
Speaker 1: that's going to be the same that's going to be

1505
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: prefigured in life. But it's going to be the same

1506
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: institution that you find in nations. It's going to be

1507
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: the same institution that you find even in a show

1508
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: like Breaking Points. Right, this is my periable membrane. Is

1509
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: you guys deciding what who gets on and then what

1510
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: questions are asked. And if you don't understand how that

1511
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: like figures into meaning, and this is what happens, and

1512
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: this is what happens in our discourse. If you don't

1513
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: understand the structures of meaning, you start talking in terms

1514
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: of numbers, and you start doing it badly. You start

1515
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: like talking like Fauci. You say, well, ten thousand is

1516
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: too much, and they're like, yeah, so let me because

1517
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: you have a line in here that I think starts

1518
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 1: to drill down on the you're making. You say, even

1519
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 1: one person dying of COVID is too many? Is only

1520
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: a horrifying statement because we aren't culturally prepared to account

1521
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: for why that's an absurd and pernicious idea. So I

1522
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 1: think a lot of people would say, well, what's absurd

1523
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: and perdicious about it? Then you're valuing life. You're saying

1524
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: even one loss of life is too many, We need

1525
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: to do what it takes to keep people safe. Why

1526
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: is that absurd and pernicious? So one life doesn't tell

1527
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 1: you whether it's too much or too little, just tells

1528
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: you that one person died, and you can't just you

1529
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: can't just attach a number to that and assume that

1530
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: that number creates meaning. Or you can just say that

1531
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: you know life matters because you have more of it.

1532
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: That means the person who lived the most life did

1533
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: it the best, which means that, since Barbara Walters and

1534
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King were both born in nineteen twenty nine,

1535
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: Barbara Walters obviously lived her life better than Martin Luther King,

1536
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: who screwed it up. Because you only made it to

1537
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:57,959
Speaker 1: thirty nine right. So if you just do this by numbers,

1538
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: you're already going to kind of distort the quality of

1539
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. And I'll tell this to your

1540
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: audience to be very clear. And I don't know if

1541
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: this is for the premium people or the people who

1542
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 1: get it for free. It's for everybody, Yes, for everybody.

1543
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: For the people, I'm gonna save a lot, I'm gonna

1544
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 1: save you a lot. Right now, be very careful of

1545
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: people who can only talk about numbers and costs, if

1546
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: they reduce everything to how much it costs, because they

1547
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: don't actually have to under they don't understand what it

1548
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: means because they can only think about like if they

1549
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 1: got it at a good deal or it's too expensive.

1550
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: They don't actually think about meaning. So that goes for

1551
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: your dates, That goes for your politicians. Have the conversation

1552
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: about what things mean before they have the conversation about

1553
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: what things cost. For example, I'm sure that some people

1554
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: would say, Crystal, I would give you a fifteen percent

1555
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 1: raise if you go back and work at the Hill,

1556
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: I would give you a fifteen percent. And obviously, since

1557
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: you're driven by numbers, it would be irrational for you

1558
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 1: to not take that fifteen percent to go back and

1559
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: work at the hill, to which you would tell me,

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01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: hell no, not for fifty, for five hundred. So the

1561
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: people who reduce that to like your simple pay have

1562
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: a confused understanding about what your life means. And soccer

1563
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: right and scacer I can I can ask you. Look,

1564
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: I can put you on Fox News, will decide who

1565
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,440
Speaker 1: you get to interview and will give you the questions,

1566
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: but we will give you will reach millions of You

1567
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: will reach hundreds of thousands of more people. I don't

1568
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: know how big the demographic is, so you will be

1569
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of more people. You just have to

1570
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: ask our questions and will tell you who to interview,

1571
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: to which you will say no, absolutely not. Also, it

1572
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't even reach more people, so it wouldn't matter. There's that.

1573
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: But the idea is that, well, then you don't understand

1574
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: you will be so much more influential because you'll read

1575
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: so many more people. I think what you're articulating to

1576
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what I've tried to articulate. I

1577
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: don't think as well as you have done. That's the

1578
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 1: problem with people like Pete Buddhagic. That's the problem with

1579
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: like the McKinsey consultant way of approaching government. That's the

1580
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: problem with you know, this is something we've talked about

1581
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: recently with the FED, where they want to just portray

1582
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: to the people, Listen, we're the experts. We're going to

1583
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: crunch the numbers. There's no values involved here, it's just

1584
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 1: crunching the numbers, coming up with the answers. Defer to us.

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01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: So when you get into this realm of just let

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01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 1: the experts crunch the numbers and tell you what the

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01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: right answer is, and you strip out value and you

1588
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: strip out meaning, it's also a deeply anti populist idea.

1589
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 1: It becomes very easy to sequester decision making in this

1590
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: sort of credentialed elite, which has been the direction of

1591
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: the neoliberals and the Democratic Party for a long time now. Right,

1592
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: So they're going to be anytime you just defer to

1593
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: the experts, they are going to be two really big

1594
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: presuppositions that the experts are going to take on for themselves.

1595
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,679
Speaker 1: They're going to take on what the content is going

1596
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: to be, and they're going to take on how to

1597
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: evaluate it. They're going to decide what some and then

1598
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: how to evaluate what's important, and both of those decisions

1599
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: should be something that's worked out amongst us what we

1600
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,480
Speaker 1: should do and then how to evaluate a bits of success.

1601
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: Those are decisions that like we need to figure out

1602
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: about like how this works in our lives and securing

1603
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: meaning in our life. And as soon as we see

1604
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: those decisions off, then it just becomes a math problem.

1605
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: But we shouldn't see those decisions like what does school mean?

1606
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: Is school just a mechanism to make sure that nobody

1607
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: ever gets COVID? Is that the purpose of school? I'm

1608
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: not sure that is the purpose of school. I actually

1609
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: think we should talk about like what it means to

1610
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 1: develop a populace that's like an engaged and competent citizenry,

1611
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: and that should actually guide our decisions over school mask policies,

1612
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: which you know, I'm one of these pro vacs, anti

1613
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 1: mask mandate guys, which apparently is a growing demographic. Thankfully,

1614
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: we're centrist army, We're the real star. That's our position

1615
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: on this show. Toomy good, good good, pro vaccine and

1616
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 1: time mask mandates. I'm okay with masks being you know,

1617
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: voluntarily whatever. Right, Yeah, So that's the thing we need

1618
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: to actually figure out what the meaning of school is

1619
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: and if it's not merely safety first in terms of

1620
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: like nobody ever gets sick, but actually, like we want

1621
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: to be able to teach people how to speak and talk,

1622
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: and if we want people to be able to communicate

1623
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: across we want third graders to be able to communicate

1624
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: to each other across the table, like without having to

1625
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, be extremely frustrated. I get frustrated talking

1626
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: to people in masks, so like it'll just keep kids quiet, right,

1627
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: So I if we have to understand what the school means,

1628
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: and then once we hash out what it means, how

1629
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: it figures into our life and how we realize ourselves

1630
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: through these institutions, then we can figure out, like what

1631
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: kind of safety precautions we should take. But if we

1632
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: start with the idea that no one person should die ever,

1633
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: no one person should get sick, that will I'll govern

1634
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: what the institution means, because that's telling you that the

1635
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: purpose of the institution is to make sure that everyone

1636
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: else lives like a biologically safe life but culturally kind

1637
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 1: of decrepit life. And why that's important for a nation

1638
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be of self government governance is that

1639
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: when Patrick Kenny says, give me liberty or give me death,

1640
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 1: he wasn't joking around like you would like, that wasn't

1641
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: an idle concern. We actually need to work out what

1642
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 1: liberty means and not like let the concerns of life

1643
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 1: govern that. Because life as a prefiguration of freedom is

1644
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:42,879
Speaker 1: realized alongside other institutions of freedom, and now it enables

1645
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: these other institutions of freedom. You can't just do it

1646
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: when it's dead. You can't like, you know, you can't

1647
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: have a good family and all that stuff when you're dead.

1648
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 1: But it's an enabling condition that is itself good only

1649
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: in this one kind of minor way as a prefiguration

1650
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: of freedom. It's not good in itself in a way

1651
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: that pumps everything else. The most important thing in life

1652
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: isn't living longer. The most important thing in life is

1653
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: actually having like working with institutions including your family, your church,

1654
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: your school, your nation, that actually like secure some sort

1655
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: of self realization in that life. Right, And if you

1656
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: don't understand that, you'll let these people tell you that, like, well,

1657
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, as long as five thousand people get COVID,

1658
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: then we have to shut down all of your meaningful

1659
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 1: institutions through which you realize yourself in the world. And

1660
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: that's a shame, and that's a degradation of our political

1661
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: thinking and we just don't value freedom. Well, the left

1662
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 1: doesn't now, Crystal. I will tell you you remember the

1663
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: first conversation we had about this pandemic was I thought

1664
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: it was a fantastic opportunity for just a handful of

1665
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: people to take a monopoly of the nation's attendance, the

1666
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: monopoly of the nation's attention, and by just launching a

1667
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: little protest where we just kind of threatened to breathe

1668
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: on people in order to get everyone talking to me

1669
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 1: and Michael Burke is about this. Actually I was serious

1670
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 1: because I was like a few people we could set

1671
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 1: the discourse for what people talk about, and they should'll

1672
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,719
Speaker 1: call us crazy, but they'll be talking about a federal

1673
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: job guarantee, they'll be talking about talking about I was

1674
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 1: worried that we would be far too demonized for taking

1675
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: that action, especially at that point, but I think but

1676
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,600
Speaker 1: I think you also from the beginning. I think you

1677
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 1: also from the beginning, had a good sense of how

1678
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 1: the fight over being able to go to church would

1679
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 1: be important and significant on the right and was something

1680
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be ignored. So see later the right did it.

1681
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: Two months later, the right like actually established that, know,

1682
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:02,679
Speaker 1: our freedom is more important then like some really kind

1683
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: of dicey concerns about safety, and as controversial as it was,

1684
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 1: they took over the debate. And if the left loses

1685
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: or the sound trist lose because of like like the

1686
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: mask mandates, because they didn't actually work this out, it's

1687
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 1: because the right just beat them the freedom faster. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think another conversation we should have is why it

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Speaker 1: is that the right had this better work down in terms,

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Speaker 1: And I think this is kind of a consistent theme

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Speaker 1: that there's a willing to prioritize, you know, their particular

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Speaker 1: values and their particular meaning over the sort of safetyism

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Speaker 1: that we've seen in COVID. But I recommend everybody go

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Speaker 1: read the piece. I leve a link down there in

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Speaker 1: the description, and go subscribe for Iromy's YouTube channel, which

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Speaker 1: is called the Funky Academic because he has many brilliant

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Speaker 1: insights there that you all should be partaking in. Thank you, Iromi,

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Speaker 1: great to you, Thanks for the philosophy lesson army. Thanks absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys, so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I mean we mentioned it yesterday. But the Rogan thing

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Speaker 1: is a wake up. I mean, the attack just comes

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Speaker 1: all the time. It can come at any time, and

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Speaker 1: they can just destroy you overnight. You know, he'll survive.

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Speaker 1: But what about everybody else. I was telling you during

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Speaker 1: the break Crystal about how New York Times reporter Taylor

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Speaker 1: Lorenz is actually leaving the New York Times. You know,

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Speaker 1: she's famous for canceling YouTubers, just said a bad word

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Speaker 1: like twelve years ago, and she's going to the Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: She's just accepted a new job there because they are

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Speaker 1: going to allow her to do whatever she wants online.

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Speaker 1: This is the state of the mainstream media and the

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Speaker 1: people who are in power. They can attack us anytime

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Speaker 1: that they want. So look, if you support us, it

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Speaker 1: means the world. It just means that we can do

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Speaker 1: monologues and touch topics which are radioactive to everybody else.

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Speaker 1: People like on Who's not People Army of the safest

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Speaker 1: character Love Army, but he's crazy in a good way crazy,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the best. Army is a truly free man.

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Speaker 1: He is totally unafraid of saying whatever he really thinks.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this, Like you know, there were some

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Speaker 1: segments there on Rising which, let's just say, there were

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Speaker 1: some contentious debates about whether they were going to go

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Speaker 1: up or not. We were always in favor of putting

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Speaker 1: them up. But just so you guys know, that's why

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Speaker 1: we have our own show, that's why we rely on you.

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Speaker 1: We have the premium link down that description, and it

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01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: means a lot when you support us, because it makes

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Speaker 1: fighting these fights is truly worth it. And I can't

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Speaker 1: tell you how much it means. Love you guys, See

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Speaker 1: you back here on Thursday