WEBVTT - Sammy Davis Jr: National Treasure

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>guest producer Dylan sitting in again like a great guy. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>like a cool cat baby. I thought you were doing

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<v Speaker 1>evil German doctor for a second and then I figured

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<v Speaker 1>it out. No man, Wait, I haven't said it yet.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is stuff you should know. Okay, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a good one that no man was wonderful. I love

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<v Speaker 1>how Sammy Davis Jr. Always said cat and baby. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just he was such a cool dude. And okay,

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<v Speaker 1>do Sammy Davis Jr. Saying we have ways of making

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<v Speaker 1>you talk. What sounds German about any of that? I

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<v Speaker 1>just do it, please please, we have ways of making

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<v Speaker 1>you talk. Man. It was pretty great and that's a

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<v Speaker 1>little soft shoe. It's great stuff. So you know, Billy

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<v Speaker 1>Crystal Uh used to do Sammy Davis Jr. Uh way

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<v Speaker 1>back in the eighties when black face was super cool

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<v Speaker 1>to do and not controversial. Did he do black face

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<v Speaker 1>Sammy Davis Jr. Yes, dude, he did black face Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>Davis Jr. Eight years ago at the Oscars. What. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't remember that? No, he hoped the last it's

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<v Speaker 1>the last time he hosted the Oscars eight In two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand twelve, he they did, you know, a remote intro

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<v Speaker 1>thing where he was doing different things. In the last

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<v Speaker 1>bit was him and black face again and people were

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<v Speaker 1>like and then you know, this was in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand twelves. So that was Twitter and that was

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook and this social media and people were like, that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't cool in the eighties. And I can't believe he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing that now for real. Uh. Sammy Davis Jr's daughter

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<v Speaker 1>came out and said, you know what, if there's one

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<v Speaker 1>thing I know is that my dad is looking down

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<v Speaker 1>and laughing and smiling at Billy Crystal doing this. He

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<v Speaker 1>was he was roasted pretty heavily for it, rightfully so,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is he hasn't been around a lot, but

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't around a lot before then. He you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think like that? Did it? Like that was

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<v Speaker 1>the demise kid? I guess helped. I was, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen him in a while either. Man, How did

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<v Speaker 1>somebody not step back and be like, okay, wait, we're

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<v Speaker 1>about to do black face? I know, Like, how did

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<v Speaker 1>no one on the production crew of the Oscar say

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<v Speaker 1>not a good idea? I don't know. Well he did it? So, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I came across something that I thought was pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw interview with David Letterman and Sammy Davis Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Says in this interview he did black face. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a little kid. Apparently his skin was lighter when he

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<v Speaker 1>was a kid, and they wanted him because he used

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<v Speaker 1>to tour with his uncle and his dad as as

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see um, and to get around labor laws, they

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<v Speaker 1>would pass him off as a midget. And to do

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<v Speaker 1>that there was right, yes, thank you. They gave him

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<v Speaker 1>um a candy cigar and put him in black face

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<v Speaker 1>and and told anyone who would listen that he was

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<v Speaker 1>a little person. That's although again they didn't say a

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<v Speaker 1>little person. Boy. This is a really controversial episode right

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<v Speaker 1>out of the gate. Well, there's a lot of sort

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<v Speaker 1>of I mean, he was a complicated guy who was uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, his father was black, his mother was Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>Rican Um. He eventually Lee would endorse to presidents both

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy and Nixon. He served in the army. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a rat packer. He uh was uh shunned by racist

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<v Speaker 1>and also shunned sometimes within his own black community. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like a little pinball getting bounced around and little is right.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also a little guy who always I think

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<v Speaker 1>had a complex about his height, about his looks. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He had this weird sort of underbyte uh jaw that

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<v Speaker 1>would jut out to one side when he talked. Just

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<v Speaker 1>a really fascinating guy that was super super talented and

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<v Speaker 1>had his his little tiny fingers and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>pies from you know, singing and dancing and performing live

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<v Speaker 1>and in movies on on TV, and uh, just really

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<v Speaker 1>really fascinating guy. Yeah, when you look back at the

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<v Speaker 1>rat pack he was the one that brought the actual

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<v Speaker 1>talent to the rat Pack, like Sinatra could say, he

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<v Speaker 1>Martine and the rat back was talented right right, But

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<v Speaker 1>he was multi talented, like dancing, doing impressions. He he

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<v Speaker 1>had like a little gun slinger routie. Did you see

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<v Speaker 1>any of that? I did? It's amazing. Um. I watched

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<v Speaker 1>the PBS documentary for their series American Masters on him

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like an hour almost two hours long,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, it was really in depth and really good.

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<v Speaker 1>But they had some amazing footage of him just doing

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of different stuff. So I guess let me

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<v Speaker 1>revise that, Yes, the rat Pack was talented. Sammy Davis Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Was was more talented than all of them put together. Right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so he made Uh did you see any of that

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<v Speaker 1>documentary of the U s O Tour? Uh there were

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<v Speaker 1>a few clips in there. Yeh yeah. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to see a difference, So if you think Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>Davis Jr. Is as just the candy man or Mr

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<v Speaker 1>bo Jangles babe man, watching him do Mr Bojangles how

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<v Speaker 1>he felt about that song, it's very heartbreaking, it is, um.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you see this documentary in two he did

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<v Speaker 1>a USO tour of Vietnam where he performed at drug

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<v Speaker 1>rehab camps and some other you know, forward bases. If

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<v Speaker 1>you look at this man, this is like a swinging

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<v Speaker 1>seventies kind of rock and roll as it gets really

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<v Speaker 1>really cool stuff. Uh, he was a a bad a performer.

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<v Speaker 1>He was at places like some of them were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of full on productions where they were capable of pulling

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<v Speaker 1>that off. Other times there's this great footage of him

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<v Speaker 1>where they could had nothing but a microphone and he's

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<v Speaker 1>just like, all right, give me the mic and I

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<v Speaker 1>will like basically kind of do my own beat boxy

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<v Speaker 1>rhythm section and sing and dance. And the soldiers are

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<v Speaker 1>just loving it. Man, they're eating it up. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>this is two I believe in. Like I mean like

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<v Speaker 1>his like he was a world famous star by then,

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<v Speaker 1>but also he was an older dude, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>he'd he'd really had his heyday in the late fifties

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<v Speaker 1>and throughout the sixties, and this is seventy two and

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<v Speaker 1>he's out there in Vietnam belting out motown hits and

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<v Speaker 1>drumming on the mic stand. So yeah, I didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>all of it, but yeah, you can tell like it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty cool. Yeah, he's he's even more of a

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<v Speaker 1>talented performer than people realize, because you know, you do

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<v Speaker 1>think of him was doing like standards and show tunes

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, and he did mostly do those things,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was talented in all sorts of different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>So Um the Grabster helped us out with this one.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said that there were a few defining sort

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<v Speaker 1>of things about Sammy Davis Jr's life that inform who

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<v Speaker 1>he was. One was that he um came from poverty.

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<v Speaker 1>He performed with his like he said, his uncle, which

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<v Speaker 1>was not really uncle, but his dad, and his uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Will Masston as the was the mast and true Wilmass

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<v Speaker 1>in trio, right, And they came from nothing, and he

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<v Speaker 1>did not have any money. And he talked later in

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<v Speaker 1>life about the thrill of leaving a waitress a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>dollar tip and walking around with a thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>your pocket. He's later on in life, Yeah, he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a year's salary, and he was like, no

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<v Speaker 1>one understands that unless you've been at the bottom, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And he was definitely at the bottom. And they he

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<v Speaker 1>and his father and his uncle will work their way up, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all through they started all throughout the Depression

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<v Speaker 1>on the Chitland circuit doing vaudeville. UM. And he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go to school once. Because this is really important to understand.

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<v Speaker 1>He spent his entire life in show business and the

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<v Speaker 1>earliest years constantly on the road with his uncle and

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<v Speaker 1>his dad. Yeah, so that's the second point. Never went

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<v Speaker 1>to school at all. Uh, did not learn to read

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<v Speaker 1>and right until he was in the army UM, and

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<v Speaker 1>always apparently had trouble writing, and he always looked at

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<v Speaker 1>it as he was always you know, sort of ashamed

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<v Speaker 1>of it. He was proud of who he became, but

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<v Speaker 1>always was ashamed of his lack of formal schooling. And

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<v Speaker 1>he called his um what he had was the facade

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<v Speaker 1>of intelligence, which Ed rightfully points out as just bunk,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are many kinds of intelligence. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>very intelligent guy, he just didn't have formal schooling. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was very self conscious of this and about

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<v Speaker 1>representing the black community. Uh. Still like if he ever

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<v Speaker 1>mispronounced something because he didn't know, it would make him

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<v Speaker 1>feel really bad because he thought that that represented black

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<v Speaker 1>people as a whole. So that's number two. Uh, And

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<v Speaker 1>the third thing is that early on his family, his

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<v Speaker 1>dad and his uncle really kind of um shielded him

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<v Speaker 1>from racial prejudice. He certainly encountered it on the Chipland circuit,

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<v Speaker 1>but he didn't really get the full deal until he

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<v Speaker 1>went into the army. That was a big shock to him,

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<v Speaker 1>right he UM. I think this kind of explains that

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<v Speaker 1>he approached racism differently than some of his contemporaries, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when he got to the army and was confronted with

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<v Speaker 1>the full brunt of it. Um, and that that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of informed how he viewed race and racial discrimination in

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<v Speaker 1>the the dynamic between the races in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of last century. UM, because he hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>really seen it firsthand or experienced the firsthand. He hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been in school and so other little white kids hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>bullied him, or he hadn't been around town and just

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<v Speaker 1>lived in a in a set space where most kids

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<v Speaker 1>were introduced to racism firsthand. He didn't get that until

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<v Speaker 1>he was eighteen, and so by the time he was eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, this isn't right. What do you what

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<v Speaker 1>do you who do you think you are? And so

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<v Speaker 1>when he got to the Army and was confronted with

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<v Speaker 1>it full on. He Um, he approached it differently, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>other some of his contemporaries in the army who were black,

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<v Speaker 1>UM just kind of kept their head down and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>tried to go along and get along. Uh. He would

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<v Speaker 1>he would fight back, he would not he would not

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<v Speaker 1>back down, he would not step down. And he spent

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time in the army physically fighting white

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<v Speaker 1>racists who were trying to make things hard for him.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently at some point he fought one he fought

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<v Speaker 1>one guy in one he beat beat up some white

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<v Speaker 1>guy who had um done something racist to him. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure what it was. And then after the fight,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy beaten said, you know, you may have beaten me,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're still black. And apparently this got to Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>Davis Jr. In such a way that it just transformed

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<v Speaker 1>his approach that he realized like he could fight white

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<v Speaker 1>boys his whole life, and probably when some of the fights,

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<v Speaker 1>probably get beat up a lot of the fights, he

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<v Speaker 1>had his nose broken at least twice, Um, but that

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't going to get him anywhere. And so he

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<v Speaker 1>decided then and there that he could do is fight

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<v Speaker 1>prejudice through his performing. He would be such a good performer,

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<v Speaker 1>he would transcend race at least while he was performing.

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<v Speaker 1>And he managed to do that or as much as

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<v Speaker 1>anybody ever has in the history and modern history, at

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<v Speaker 1>least in the United States. Yeah. So he's discharged in

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<v Speaker 1>the army in goes right back to the Maston trio

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<v Speaker 1>and touring with him, and he was sort of even

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<v Speaker 1>though he was just a little kid growing up in

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<v Speaker 1>that trio, he was sort of the star still. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>little Sammy, Little Sammy um like little Stevie Wonder. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He he actually chuck. He won his first UM contest

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<v Speaker 1>at age three, at like an amateur hour or amateur night,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's sang, I'll be glad when you're dead, you rascal.

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<v Speaker 1>You that's what He knocked the house down at age three,

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the the formal start to his UM,

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<v Speaker 1>his show business. He went to Bucks. Yeah about a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred fifty bucks today, Yeah, which for him, I mean,

0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.040
<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of dough for a very very poor kid.

0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.280
<v Speaker 1>So he gets out of the army, goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Maston trio, and this sort of corresponded with the

0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.880
<v Speaker 1>same timeline as when Vegas started to become a big

0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:23.280
<v Speaker 1>deal and a big entertainment center, and they played Vegas

0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. And you know, we should point out

0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.080
<v Speaker 1>to on the Chiland circuit they were never making much money. No,

0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.480
<v Speaker 1>it's a grueling thing. And they did get paid, but

0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not like they were getting rich out there. I mean,

0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you'd have to be a vaudeville superstar to make a

0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of money. And this is also during the depression

0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.760
<v Speaker 1>largely too, so people didn't make money in general, right,

0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.320
<v Speaker 1>but doing three, four or five shows a day on

0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.920
<v Speaker 1>that circuit. But goes to Vegas, starts performing in Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>uh starts doing impressions, which he did throughout his career.

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<v Speaker 1>Was very good at them, and and the audiences ate

0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.240
<v Speaker 1>it up. And then Frank Sinatra, the chairman of the board,

0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.480
<v Speaker 1>as they say, gave him a call or gave their

0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.200
<v Speaker 1>people called and said, hey, I want I want this

0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.120
<v Speaker 1>guy open it up for me in Vegas. This trio

0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.280
<v Speaker 1>opening up. Took him under his wing. That was a

0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.400
<v Speaker 1>big deal. It was a very big deal. Said, you know,

0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.200
<v Speaker 1>you do these great impressions, you do me, it's hysterical,

0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:21.560
<v Speaker 1>You're so talented. Open for me in Vegas, and uh,

0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.720
<v Speaker 1>that was where he said, you know, in Vegas for

0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes, twice a night, our skin had no color.

0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.480
<v Speaker 1>But um, the second they got finished, he said, other

0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.720
<v Speaker 1>acts to go out and gamble and socialize, have a drink.

0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.480
<v Speaker 1>He said, we had to go through the kitchen with

0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the garbage. And that's when it would all sort of

0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.240
<v Speaker 1>hit home once again. They had to stay in like

0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.720
<v Speaker 1>an entirely different part of Vegas that, from the looks

0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:47.560
<v Speaker 1>of it, almost didn't have electricity. Dusty Rhodes, Yeah, that's

0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.880
<v Speaker 1>where they had to stay. They were beloved performers, but

0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.280
<v Speaker 1>that's where they had to go stay after the show.

0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.680
<v Speaker 1>And I saw that even after he was a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the rat Pack, a superstar, he had use the

0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:04.840
<v Speaker 1>pool at the Sands, and guests in the fifties complained

0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.960
<v Speaker 1>enough that the Sands agreed to drain the pool and

0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.920
<v Speaker 1>refill it because Sammy Davis Jr. Had been using the

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<v Speaker 1>pool And this is after he was a star already.

0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:17.000
<v Speaker 1>That's how vile um the segregation was, even in a

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<v Speaker 1>place like Vegas. All right, let's take a break and

0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.720
<v Speaker 1>we'll come back and talk more about the candy Man

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<v Speaker 1>right after this. So Sammy Davis Jr. Wrote a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of memoirs and autobiographies over the years. Uh, and one

0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.160
<v Speaker 1>of them is a very great spinal tap choke. So

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<v Speaker 1>I know you still haven't seen it, right, I saw,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've only seen it once and it was a

0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.040
<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago. Okay. So one of his his

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<v Speaker 1>I think his first one um was called yes I Can.

0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.320
<v Speaker 1>And there's a great scene in spinals up when Bruno

0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Kirby as a limo driver is talking about it and

0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.720
<v Speaker 1>he said he said something about yes I can. He said,

0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.160
<v Speaker 1>although the real title should have been yes I can.

0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.080
<v Speaker 1>If Frank says, it's okay because Frank called the shots

0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.560
<v Speaker 1>for all those guys, right, I remember that. It's very

0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.680
<v Speaker 1>funny joke, like he just keeps going off about that,

0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.440
<v Speaker 1>doesn't it. Yeah, yeah, that's good stuff. You know. Billy

0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Crystal and Bruno Kirby had a very famous falling out,

0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and legend has it Billy Crystal sort of had him

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<v Speaker 1>black bald. What is up with Billy Crystal? My impression

0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.360
<v Speaker 1>of him is changing dramatically. He really sells it when

0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the cameras are on. Huh. Yeah, well that's what you're do,

0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:55.240
<v Speaker 1>you know? That's crazy though to be that Wow, I mean,

0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:56.800
<v Speaker 1>we know the game. People think you and I like

0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:01.720
<v Speaker 1>each other? Right, we got every but it's amazing. Like

0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.480
<v Speaker 1>what were their names of the MythBusters? Like the day

0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.159
<v Speaker 1>the camera stopped rolling, they released press statements saying we

0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.680
<v Speaker 1>never liked each other. I know, why would why would

0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.080
<v Speaker 1>anybody do that? Even if you didn't like each other?

0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.639
<v Speaker 1>Why would you just let it go? You know? I

0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know. But it's a Jamie and um Adam Adam,

0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.879
<v Speaker 1>that's right. Adams a great guy. I know him a

0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.720
<v Speaker 1>little bit. So are you implying Jamie's not so? I

0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:30.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know him any Okay, I'm not citing. This took

0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.000
<v Speaker 1>a really weird turned, inn't it. It did? So back

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<v Speaker 1>to Sammy Davis Jr. He also started his star started rising. Um, well,

0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.680
<v Speaker 1>his star had already risen, but in the seventies when

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<v Speaker 1>the Variety Show came about, which was a big deal

0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.159
<v Speaker 1>in the seventies and even into the eighties, Sammy Davis Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Was perfect for that medium. Well, this was this was

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<v Speaker 1>I think even earlier than that, when TV really started

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<v Speaker 1>to dominate. The earliest shows that they had were vaudeville shows.

0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.679
<v Speaker 1>That led to variety show. He had his own variety

0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.080
<v Speaker 1>show later in the seventies because he was so it

0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.639
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a huge hit. But for someone who can dance

0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and sing and do impressions and do comedy and for

0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:15.119
<v Speaker 1>God's sakes, is a real deal gun slinger a variety

0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.840
<v Speaker 1>shows pretty great. It really was so. Um he's you know,

0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:23.679
<v Speaker 1>he uh, he's getting onto TV. Um, there's their Vegas

0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.240
<v Speaker 1>gigs have really put the Will Maston trio on the map.

0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.520
<v Speaker 1>And um, they were doing really well. Um, they had

0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.000
<v Speaker 1>reliable work that kind of stuff. People knew who Sammy

0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Davis Jr. Was. He was already, you know, a protege

0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.120
<v Speaker 1>of Frank Sinatra by this time. Um, But it wasn't

0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:43.560
<v Speaker 1>until ninete that the big break came through. And it

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<v Speaker 1>really came through and like a really kind of Hollywood

0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.760
<v Speaker 1>story kind of way where like this they that they

0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:53.080
<v Speaker 1>were given this one shot and this one particular spot

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<v Speaker 1>at just the right time, in front of just the

0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.920
<v Speaker 1>right people, and they killed it and that was it.

0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.400
<v Speaker 1>They Sammy Davis Jr. Was a star from that moment on.

0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.560
<v Speaker 1>That's right. And that was at um Janice Page and

0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:11.600
<v Speaker 1>a show at Zeros, which is now the Comedy Store. Um,

0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.639
<v Speaker 1>and oh really, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah, it

0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.639
<v Speaker 1>became the Comedy Store after Zeros, but was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a legendary place, you know, of its own in its

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<v Speaker 1>own right. But everyone you know that. Apparently it's debatable

0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.639
<v Speaker 1>whether or not it was an Oscar party after party

0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.720
<v Speaker 1>or not, but regardless, there were a lot of Hollywood

0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:33.240
<v Speaker 1>people there, including Bogey and his rat Pack. Sure, the

0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:37.199
<v Speaker 1>the original rat Pack, which wasn't called the rat Pack, no,

0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:41.520
<v Speaker 1>it was actually it was well why did well, never mind,

0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going down the rabbit hole. What That's all right?

0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.320
<v Speaker 1>So he uh, he kills it there. He's doing impressions

0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.120
<v Speaker 1>of people that are in the audience. Everyone loves him. Uh.

0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.760
<v Speaker 1>They signed with the William Moore Morris Agency, and an

0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.600
<v Speaker 1>overnight sensation, you know, twenty thirty years in the making

0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.919
<v Speaker 1>starts happening. Yeah, and should say so. Sammy Davis Jr.

0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Became known for his impressions. He was groundbreaking in the

0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.280
<v Speaker 1>sense that he would do impressions of white people and

0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.520
<v Speaker 1>up to the time Sammy Davis Jr. Started doing impressions

0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.800
<v Speaker 1>of white people, if you're a black performer, you could

0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.240
<v Speaker 1>do impressions of other black people, and that was it.

0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.280
<v Speaker 1>It was just not okay for you to do white people.

0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Sammy Davis Jr. Just started doing white people and the

0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.840
<v Speaker 1>white people loved it. And at that show at Zero's,

0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.119
<v Speaker 1>he was doing impressions of some of the people in

0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.439
<v Speaker 1>the crowd, like he did a killer Carrie Grant and

0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Carry Grant was a member of Humphrey Bogart's rat Pack

0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.040
<v Speaker 1>and he was probably there that night. Um, so there

0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.320
<v Speaker 1>were a lot of people who were getting impressions done

0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.399
<v Speaker 1>of them. They just loved it. Killed and um, I

0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.280
<v Speaker 1>think Janice Page said I was the headliner tonight. I

0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.320
<v Speaker 1>think these guys should be the headliner from now on,

0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.080
<v Speaker 1>which was pretty cool of her to do that. You know,

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.720
<v Speaker 1>it's amazing. Yep. So he gets a record deal after that,

0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.399
<v Speaker 1>he's putting out like show Chins, Old Standards. Uh. He

0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.720
<v Speaker 1>does a pilot in the mid fifties with his father

0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and cool about a trio of black entertainers that are

0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of struggling called We Three. Yeah, I would love

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to see that. Well, there's another probably we'll talk about

0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.080
<v Speaker 1>later that you definitely need to see. I haven't checked

0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:13.800
<v Speaker 1>it out yet, but I know I know the one.

0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:18.399
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty legendary. So uh. A big thing happened that

0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:22.120
<v Speaker 1>same year in nineteen four is Sammy Davis Jr. Had

0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:26.119
<v Speaker 1>a wreck in his Cadillac. And the Cadillac and this

0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 1>is just horrific to think about because I've seen these,

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:31.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the middle of the steering wheel, they

0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:35.240
<v Speaker 1>had these little decorative cones that stuck out. His left

0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.639
<v Speaker 1>eyeball hit that thing and he lost it and warren

0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.400
<v Speaker 1>eyepatch for a while and then a glass eye. Yeah,

0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:45.040
<v Speaker 1>apparently he remembers coming out of the car um with

0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.159
<v Speaker 1>holding his eye in his hand, and then that's the

0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.120
<v Speaker 1>last thing he remembers. The next thing he remembers after

0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.280
<v Speaker 1>that was waking up in a hospital bed and when

0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.480
<v Speaker 1>he woke up and realized that he lost his eye

0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:58.200
<v Speaker 1>for life as I was gone. Um, he was really

0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.520
<v Speaker 1>really scared that his rear was over. This is n

0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.360
<v Speaker 1>He'd just gotten his big break three years before and

0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:08.000
<v Speaker 1>was on his way up and now all of a

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.399
<v Speaker 1>sudden he loses his eye. And the thing about losing

0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:13.439
<v Speaker 1>your eye in addition to say, you know, having to

0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.639
<v Speaker 1>sit for publicity photos and try to be a leading

0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.840
<v Speaker 1>man in movies or on Broadway or that kind of thing. Um,

0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:27.119
<v Speaker 1>you have to relearn spatial awareness. You're going from binocular

0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.520
<v Speaker 1>vision to monocular vision and that has all sorts of

0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.320
<v Speaker 1>weird tricky effects on you. So if you're a dancer

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:37.119
<v Speaker 1>or a gun slinger or doing some old soft shoe

0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.960
<v Speaker 1>or whatever you're doing, you have to relearn how to move.

0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.359
<v Speaker 1>And apparently one of the things that Sinatra did that

0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:47.439
<v Speaker 1>was really stand up for Sammy Davis Jr. Was he

0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:52.240
<v Speaker 1>had him basically come convalesc at Sinatra's place and really

0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:57.360
<v Speaker 1>um guided him in in saying, like, you need to

0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.200
<v Speaker 1>relearn how to move. You're gonna be fine, but you're

0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:02.680
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have to You're gonna have to start really

0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.960
<v Speaker 1>attacking this and you can't really sit around and feel

0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 1>bad for yourself. You need to to get you know,

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:12.600
<v Speaker 1>relearn movement now rather than you know, spend a year

0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>feeling sad. And that was a huge help for him.

0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.760
<v Speaker 1>It was, and he also was kind of UM, I

0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.040
<v Speaker 1>don't think, I mean, maybe his life did kind of

0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:23.760
<v Speaker 1>pass before him, because he definitely had an awakening of

0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.440
<v Speaker 1>what have I done here with my life so far?

0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.760
<v Speaker 1>What greater purpose have I served? Um? And what can

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I do from this point forward. Um, he and put

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:37.960
<v Speaker 1>a pin in this. But this was the first exposure

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.760
<v Speaker 1>to judaism in the hospital. You gotta visit from a

0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:43.680
<v Speaker 1>rabbi and just put a pin in that because that

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:47.360
<v Speaker 1>will come back again later. Okay, to a pin in it. Well,

0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.880
<v Speaker 1>look all right, I don't even know where this pin

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.200
<v Speaker 1>came from. You, I don't. Well, you do have that

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.680
<v Speaker 1>pincushion right there. But yeah, this this little tomato one

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.640
<v Speaker 1>with the strawberry dangling off of it. Remember those, oh man,

0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:01.679
<v Speaker 1>because there a seventies mom that didn't have one of

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.639
<v Speaker 1>the yeah, with the Macromay owl hanging on the wall behind.

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:10.199
<v Speaker 1>So here's where it gets really kind of great as

0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 1>far as knowing what a stand up guy Sammy Davis Jr. Was.

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:18.919
<v Speaker 1>His his success is booming, and you would think, Sammy

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Davis Jr. You can leave that Will Maston trio behind. Yeah,

0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 1>because it's really all about you. He said, no, man,

0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.760
<v Speaker 1>shine us all up, babe. Three way split, And that's

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.440
<v Speaker 1>what they did. They he ensured contractually that they would

0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:38.399
<v Speaker 1>get a three way split that endured ten years after

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.600
<v Speaker 1>he left as a solo performer. He was still giving

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 1>them thirty three each. Yeah for fifteen years total, they

0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 1>got a third of the profits each of them. Um

0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, they they were you know, originally they were

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:55.720
<v Speaker 1>still doing their Vegas show as the Will Maston Trio

0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.919
<v Speaker 1>featuring Sammy Davis Jr. But then over time, you know,

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 1>remember his uncle and his dad were a good twenty

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 1>years older than him. By this time, he's in his thirties,

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 1>so you know, they're starting to get they're they're losing

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:10.959
<v Speaker 1>their step a little bit, so they start to not

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 1>be in the show quite as much, stepping back. But

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>even still, he made sure they were taken care of

0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 1>for another fifteen years. Third a third and this is

0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:24.040
<v Speaker 1>a third during Sammy Davis Junior's peak earning years, So

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 1>he got one third of what he would have gotten

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:30.359
<v Speaker 1>had he just basically said, dad, uncle will thank you

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:32.680
<v Speaker 1>for teaching me everything. I know. I'm gonna move on now,

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 1>best of luck, let me know if you need a loan. Instead,

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>he just took a third of what he could have

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 1>gotten and gave the other two thirds to those two,

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>which is for fifteen years. Chuck, that's really amazing. It's

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.440
<v Speaker 1>pretty great. Uh So that pen it actually wasn't in

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:48.919
<v Speaker 1>there that long. We go ahead and take the pen

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.639
<v Speaker 1>out because he after that first meeting with a rabbi,

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.480
<v Speaker 1>he reads more and more about Judaism. He draws a

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 1>correlation between the plight of the Jewish people and the

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.400
<v Speaker 1>plight of black people, and it really spoke to him

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and he converted. And some people said, oh, this big

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 1>publicity stunt. He's like, no, this is not a publicity stunt.

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>He said, this is my new religion. And uh. He

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 1>very humorously started referring to himself as a one eyed

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 1>black Jew, sometimes of one eyed black Puerto Rican, like

0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rican Jew, which was very sort of in keeping

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:25.120
<v Speaker 1>with his self deprecating style. For sure, He's like, um,

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Tim Watley, he converted for the jokes man, I remember

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:32.640
<v Speaker 1>that one. I've been plowing through Seinfeld again. I love.

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite things that always gets me is

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:41.199
<v Speaker 1>when Jerry calls George Biff. Yeah. It never fails to

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>make me laugh. Biff Yeah, so good. Uh, she was, well, no,

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:49.199
<v Speaker 1>let's not take another break, let's play on here, right,

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>all right. So, dating wise, he is dating black women

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>and white women. When he dates white women, he gets

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>racist sets from white people, and he gets condemnation from

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the black community for betraying the black community by dating

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>a white woman. Right, he can't win. No, he really

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 1>couldn't win. And apparently from what I saw in that

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 1>um that American Masters uh documentary, Um, he really really

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>really was in love with Kim Novak. From what I saw,

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>she may have been the love of his life. At

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.199
<v Speaker 1>the very least. He never got to explore whether she

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>was or not. But um, when he said that he

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 1>intended to marry her, I guess it was in the fifties. Um,

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>he uh he there was a contract put out in

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 1>his life by the studio head and I think Columbia

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 1>where Kim Novak was an actress. Yeah, Harry Cohne was

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the studio head. And this was back when Vegas and

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Hollywood were you know, there was some mob in mafia

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>dealings going on for sure, and Sammy had some mob

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>friends too, just because he was friends with Frank and

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, that was just sort of the thing. These

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 1>guys would come to these Vegas clubs and he would

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 1>meet them. He sought protection from a Chicago gangster that

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 1>he was in with. The Chicago gangster was like, I

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 1>can't help you in California. He's like, I'm not I'm

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 1>no good there. I can protect you in Chicago, I

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 1>can protect you in Vegas. Can't do anything about California.

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>It's not my territory. Uh. And supposedly, and this is

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 1>where it gets a little hazy, because some people say

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.399
<v Speaker 1>it happened, some people say it didn't. Supposedly he was

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>even kidnapped for a few hours to scare him. Um,

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>but who knows if that's really true. Well, apparently one

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 1>of his friends who was there said no, it wasn't true.

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 1>He was never kidnapped. But the contract basically said there

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>was a contract that said you have forty eight hours

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>to marry a black woman or you die, and whatever.

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Whatever it was, whatever, whether there was an actual contract,

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>whether it were just got to him that there was,

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>It didn't matter to Sammy Davis Jr. At that minute,

0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>because he broke it off with Kim Novak. Uh, much

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 1>to his own hearts break and um, yeah, proposed to

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 1>a woman named laure White who Um, she was a

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>black singer, and I think they had dated years before.

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>And I guess he never copped to the um to

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>the idea that it was an arranged marriage that was

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 1>basically a business proposal. But That is definitely how it's

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 1>portrayed by the people who were there at the time,

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 1>were his close friends, that he even paid her ten

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars to do this. Um. And I'm sure it

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.480
<v Speaker 1>was very you know, uh kind and congenial to it.

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>But they described that day, his wedding day to laure

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>White is probably the worst day of his life, tied

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>for first with the day that he lost his left eye. Yeah,

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>and he you know, we can't look over some of

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the ugly parts of that day. He got drunk and

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 1>physically assaulted her in the car just after the wedding reception. Yeah. Um.

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Not making any excuses for the guy, but it was

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 1>certainly not right to you that right. So their marriage

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't last terribly long. I didn't see how long it lasted,

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>did you. Okay, so about a year, and I guess

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 1>he considered that the heat had gone down or whatever

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>by that time. Um. And but I get the impression

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>that the fact that Kim Novak had been taken from

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>him strictly out of racism. Like Harry Cohne, I'm sure

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 1>was a racist, but he was also a businessman and

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>the reason that he was doing this was because he

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>knew America was racist. This is at a time when

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 1>there were laws that prevented black men and white women

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>or vice versa, to marry. It wasn't legal yet. No.

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Um so the idea of one of his biggest stars,

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Kim Novak, marrying a black man, uh, he he decided

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>that he just couldn't take that risk business wise, and

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>so he threatened Sammy Davis Jr. Whatever the reason was,

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Sammy Davis Jr. Really bristled under that. And so in

0:30:56.680 --> 0:31:00.080
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty uh, this was a few years after a

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 1>um he had to break it off with Kim Novak.

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 1>He got married to a woman, a Swedish actress named

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 1>my Britt and I he had children with her and

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 1>was married to her, but he also um ran around

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>on her almost constantly from what I understand, and you

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>get the impression that my was in part a. Uh well,

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I'll just put his PG as possible, thumbing his nose

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 1>at all of the racists out there who took Kim

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Novak from him. He was he was saying, I think, so,

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 1>as somebody put it, I'm big enough now that you

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 1>can't tell me who to marry, and I'm going to

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 1>marry this beautiful six ft white woman who looks like

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Margot Roby. Sort of she does, yeah, she does a

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:44.719
<v Speaker 1>little bit. I had. I didn't put my finger on it.

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 1>And their children were incredibly beautiful, thanks largely to their

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>mom too, but they were they were Um. They had

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>three kids together and they were married for eight years.

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's very sad because my brit immediately

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>lost her career, so she gave up her career to

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>be with Sammy Davis Jr. I don't know. I she

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>must have fallen in love with them, um because she

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>she had three kids with him too. But she gave

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>up a lot and he gave up nothing. And I

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>think that was very unfair um on his part to

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 1>ask for what he asked for from her and give

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:26.240
<v Speaker 1>so little in return. Yeah. And what was also not

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>fair and um sort of a black eye on John F.

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy was that Sammy Davis Jr. Had been scheduled to

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>perform at the nineteen sixty inauguration and he disinvited him

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>because of his marriage to a white woman. Kennedy personally

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>had him disinvited. This wasn't Kennedy's like advisors or anything

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 1>like that. It was him and he said, you know.

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Apparently people said he you know, it was a political

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>move because he didn't want to alienate Southern Democrats. But

0:32:56.200 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 1>either way, that was a big um fracturing of the

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>relationship between JFK and Sammy Davis Jr. He never got

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>over that, No, he never did. And it was also

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 1>a moment where Sinatra, who had stood up for Sammy

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Davis Jr. Multiple countless times against racists, against studio heads,

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 1>against the record company executives, against all sorts of people, didn't.

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>He did not stand up and argue and try to

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>persuade JFK to change his mind. He just quietly went

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>along with it. And I think that broke Sammy Davis

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Junior start as much as JFK betraying him, and probably

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 1>even more because he expected more from from Frank Frank

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:40.760
<v Speaker 1>than he did from from Kennedy. And the other thing

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 1>about Kennedy res sending that invitation, Harry Belafani's invitation wasn't rescinded,

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and Harry Belafani was married to a white woman and

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>was there with his white wife at this inauguration party.

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Um So Sammy Davis Jr. Couldn't help but take it personally,

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 1>and he really did. It was a big It was

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>a big deal, a big moment in his life in

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>a very sad moment, and a lot of people think

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 1>that it led to him later on embracing, um, probably

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 1>ill advisedly, the Nixon campaign in the early seventies. That's right,

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:14.239
<v Speaker 1>you want to take a break, Yeah, let's take a

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:15.919
<v Speaker 1>break and we'll talk a little bit about his work

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>in the civil rights movement right after this. This cat

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:45.479
<v Speaker 1>is interesting, man, right, I don't know if everybody's picking

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>up on it. Did you know this before? Because this

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>is your pick, right? Yeah. Yeah, I've always been pretty

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.359
<v Speaker 1>fascinated with him because we haven't even gotten to the

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 1>super weird and interesting stuff. Yeah right, Um, which happens

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>in the seventies. So in the sixties is when and

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and possibly because of the JFK treatment, is when he

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 1>really starts to get more socially aware. Uh, starts donating

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>money to the cause and marches at selma Um for

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>the civil rights efforts. Um. He when he supported Nixon,

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 1>it was not just the thumbing of the nose at

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 1>at Kennedy, but he bought into Nixon and thought that

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>it was gonna be a good choice for Black America. Uh.

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 1>He regretted that later on, of course. But it wasn't

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>just um a poopy pants move, like, hey, while I'm

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:37.359
<v Speaker 1>gonna support Nixon now because you disinvited me, exactly and

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 1>so Um. One of the other reasons that he embraced

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Nixon was that Nixon embraced him as a human being

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>and really stood in start contrast to the treatment he

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:53.240
<v Speaker 1>received from Kennedy. Um. And in that Nixon actually seemed

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>to really like Sammy Davis Jr. That a lot of

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>people are like the Nixon administration was just using Sammy

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Davis Jr. They were, at the same time, I'm um,

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 1>using what's called the Southern strategy, which is they were

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>stoking racism among Southern whites to get them to turn

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 1>on the Democrats. Um. But he also apparently really did

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 1>like Sammy Davis Jr. And admired him and under Nixon's

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 1>administration tastes like bitter acid. Saying this, Sammy Davis Jr.

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Became the first black person to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom,

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>and apparently Sammy Davis Jr. Was an avid Lincoln fan

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:33.240
<v Speaker 1>and sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom with some of Abraham

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln and Mary Todd. Lincoln's personal effects in this room

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>just blew him away, and that was actually how he

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>ended up in Vietnam doing this USO tour in nineteen two.

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>He said, what can I do to help? And Nixon

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 1>said that would probably that would probably help a lot.

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>But that just contributed even further to his alienation from

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>not just black people, but young black people too, because

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.480
<v Speaker 1>it was a really tone deaf move. As I saw

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:03.799
<v Speaker 1>it described at the time, that was not the kind

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 1>of thing you did. Vietnam was so unpopular that even

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>the troops weren't particularly supported at home. You know. It's

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 1>not like today where it's like, you know, we really

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 1>really hate this, you know, these endless wars. This is

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 1>we really disagree with the you know, the hawks and

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the military industrial complex that supports us. But we're still

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>going to be supportive of the troops who have to

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 1>go there, who are over there, whether by their own

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>choice or well, I guess it's all volunteer army. Um,

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:38.920
<v Speaker 1>they still deserve support these individuals over there overseas. That

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>was not necessarily how it was in during the Vietnam era.

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>So Sammy Davis Jr. Going over there to support the

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>troops after embracing the Nixon administration. Really um further this

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 1>rift between him and the black community, which and I

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know if we really said this enough was unfair,

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>unjust because he was a fervent supporter of the civil

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:08.720
<v Speaker 1>rights movement during the fifties and sixties, I mean furvent

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Like he marched in Selma with Martin Luther King Jr.

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Scared to death apparently, but he still went and he

0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 1>still did it. He contributed a ton of money to

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 1>the civil rights movement. Um, he was, he was legit,

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:26.720
<v Speaker 1>for sure, but he also was, um, you know, friends

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 1>with Richard Nixon. So one kind of one kind of

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>tarnishes the other, you know for sure. So in the sixties, Uh,

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 1>he is blown up. He's everywhere. He's on stage, he's

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 1>recording records, he's on TV, he's doing celebrity roast, he's

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 1>on Broadway, he's writing books, he's doing the gun slinger thing. Uh.

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 1>He's making a lot of money at this point and

0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>starts spending a lot of money because he came from nothing,

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Like we said, Uh, this is when the rat pack

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.359
<v Speaker 1>thing really heats up. Uh. And he's hanging out with

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Joey Bishop, Peter Lawford, Dean Martin and of course the

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>chairman uh and started him their first movie together, which

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 1>was Ocean's Eleven. Not a great movie. Oh disagree, I don't.

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I think the original is not very good. Oh I

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:20.799
<v Speaker 1>liked it. Uh. I thought the remake was great, but

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.359
<v Speaker 1>um did not care for the original. I'd like the original. Yeah.

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Hanging Robin in the Seven Hoods, Yeah, and also not great.

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:30.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't think the rat Pack ever made a great movie. Okay,

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:36.439
<v Speaker 1>that's just my opinion. What about Time Bandits fantastic Okay. Uh.

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>They were hanging out at the Coconut Grove in the

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Ambassador Hotel, which, um is a place that I have

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.319
<v Speaker 1>a neat little quick story. Did a commercial shoot there

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 1>before they tore down, and it was, you know, an

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 1>empty hotel at this point that they just used for

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>movie shoots. And it was an overnight thing, and like

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.440
<v Speaker 1>two in the morning, I was working in the art department.

0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 1>They said, here, you need to go assemble all these

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 1>flags that we're going to hang. And they said just

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.359
<v Speaker 1>go in the in the Coconut Grove and do it

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:05.839
<v Speaker 1>because there's plenty of room in there. And I went

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:09.240
<v Speaker 1>in there all by myself, sitting in Cocae in the

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:12.759
<v Speaker 1>the dusty old shadows of what was once the Great

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Coconut Grove, and uh for like an hour and a

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:18.800
<v Speaker 1>half by myself, like sitting in a booth at the

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 1>rat Pack might have sat in. That's amazing, really pretty neat.

0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:24.279
<v Speaker 1>And later that night got to go see where Bob

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy was shot. Oh that's where he was shot. Yeah,

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 1>in the Ambassador Hotels, in the kitchen and one of

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 1>the gut the overnight security guy. It was just sort

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 1>of one of those slow shoots. He was like to

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>me and my friend, He's like, you want to go

0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 1>down the kitchens? Who are happened? And we went, oh, yeah, wow,

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:43.320
<v Speaker 1>that's amazing. It was super cool and creepy. So anyway,

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 1>great story. They're they're hanging out with the rat Pack. Um.

0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 1>And this is where it gets a little like dodgy,

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>because the rat Pack they were all best buds. They

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>genuinely loved each other. But when you look at their

0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 1>old stick there is a lot of sort of racial

0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:05.359
<v Speaker 1>joking about Sammy. Um. It's all in good fun, but

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 1>they were they were often jokes made about him being black,

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.799
<v Speaker 1>being the only black member Dean Martin. One of his

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 1>famous jokes was he would pick little Sammy up on

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 1>stage because Dean was a big guy and Sammy was small,

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>and uh, thank the audience for the h in double

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:26.239
<v Speaker 1>a CP award. So stuff like that. So in that

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 1>in that documentary, and I'm not like justifying that at all,

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 1>but in that documentary, Whoopi Goldberg is like, you know,

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 1>you can you could take any segment of their show

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 1>and be like this was really offensive Italians or alcoholics,

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 1>or women, or black people or Jews. And she said

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 1>they went hard on everybody. But from what I understand,

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 1>at least as far as Sammy was concerned, what he

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:53.400
<v Speaker 1>wasn't secretly didn't secretly have a chip on his shoulder

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and he had to just put up with this to

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>be a member of the rat pack. He seemed to

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.839
<v Speaker 1>really not like he didn't take it as if they

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 1>or being um hostile or cruel, that it was just

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 1>part of the act and that's how he took it. Yeah,

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was certainly a different time. I mean

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.840
<v Speaker 1>there was no doubting about it that back then you

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:14.320
<v Speaker 1>could make jokes about all kinds of things that you

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.000
<v Speaker 1>can't joke about now, yeah, and it's like it's not

0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 1>like I'm I used to hang out with Sammy Davis Jr.

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 1>And had like quiet talks with him or whatever. So

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 1>it is possible that he did, you know, harbor resentment

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>from it, but that's not the im person that I

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 1>have from from the research that I've done. Let me

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 1>tell you, Josh right, But apparently no one did, because

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 1>this is a really bizarre thing about him. When when

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 1>he um was talking about converting to Judaism, I think

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 1>in like a nineteen sixty six Playboy interview, Um he

0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 1>was talking about losing his eye and then you know,

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 1>converting to Judaism, and that it happened during a period

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>of soul searching, and that he did all this and

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 1>went through all this even though he was convalescing at

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Frank Sinatra's house, even though apparently Jerry Lewis spent seven

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 1>days at his bedside when he was in the hospital,

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 1>had all these telegrams come in, all this outpouring of support.

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:05.280
<v Speaker 1>He considered himself alone and that he was a loner,

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 1>and that that was that's really bizarre when you step

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 1>back and look at that, because Sammy Davis Jr. Always

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 1>had friends. He was always the life of the party.

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>He was always a good guy. Everybody wanted to be

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.440
<v Speaker 1>around him. Um, he was always having fun. But he

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>considered himself a loner. Apparently he didn't let people in.

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 1>So even if I had been hanging around with him,

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:29.240
<v Speaker 1>he probably wouldn't have had that conversation with me anyway, Like, Sammy,

0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like I know they're real. You come on, Sammy,

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:36.239
<v Speaker 1>let it. And he said, that's by design, babe. I

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm tripping or something right now. So his

0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 1>career is booming in the in the sixties and into

0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the seventies, and the result of that, of course, uh well,

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 1>through the sixties, I guess is that he's not around much. Um.

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 1>He had a lot of regrets about not being around

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:56.759
<v Speaker 1>as a father. Um, as a husband. He was flandering,

0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 1>he was drinking a lot, he was using drugs. Uh So,

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:03.840
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty eight he got divorced. In nineteen seventy,

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 1>he married a woman named Altavis Gore, who was eighteen

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 1>years his junior backup dancer. His children did not like

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the fact that she was so much younger, but they

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.959
<v Speaker 1>were stayed married, you know, for the rest of his life. Yeah,

0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>he was like, Oh, if you've got a problem with her,

0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 1>you should probably not know about everything else I'm doing. Yeah,

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 1>so here's where it gets really interesting, very interesting. Sammy

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Davis Jr. Had a convergence of two interests in the seventies. Uh.

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 1>He became a member of the Church of Satan. He

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:42.840
<v Speaker 1>was an honorary warlock and he got really really into

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>porn and porn. Uh. You know, there's no better way

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 1>to say it than he he was a swinger. He

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:56.600
<v Speaker 1>was an orgies. He participated in Satanic orgies. Yeah. That

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:58.319
<v Speaker 1>was actually I don't know if it was his first

0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 1>orgy or not, but that's how he became him part

0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of involved in the Church of Satan, you know, like

0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>the original Church of Satan with Anton LaVey there and everything.

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Um right exactly. Um. He went and participated in a

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Satanic orgy, um, Sammy Davis Jr. Which I think is

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>like a regular orgy but with just more like red candles, yeah,

0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and pentagrams and black robes and stuff like that. But

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 1>then the black robes come off, but I think the

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 1>pentagrams stay on. But um he I read this really

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:37.240
<v Speaker 1>interesting Vice article about it and he he was apparently

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 1>at the first one, and this would have been in

0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the late sixties, and somebody in a hood is trying

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:46.840
<v Speaker 1>to get his attention and it turns out he lifts

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the hood and it's his barber, his BARBERA J. C. Bring.

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:53.839
<v Speaker 1>He would later be killed with Um Sharon Tate by

0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:56.440
<v Speaker 1>the Manson family. But he was basically like, hey, Sam,

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 1>it's me Jay. How are you doing in this awesome?

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:04.759
<v Speaker 1>And then they went back to yeah, but he yeah.

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 1>He was hugely in the in the pornography, was and

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:10.839
<v Speaker 1>the Orgies into swinging. He was. He loved cocaine um

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and I love drinking. I saw our cineo Um interview

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 1>with him, must have been very shortly before his death,

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:20.480
<v Speaker 1>where he's like, you know, I had to give everything up, uh,

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and I don't miss all the other stuff, but I

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:24.680
<v Speaker 1>miss booze, I miss whiskey, I miss vodka. I love

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. But then I also saw another interview where

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.759
<v Speaker 1>he basically said the same thing to Larry King, like

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.319
<v Speaker 1>I've given everything up, I don't smoke anymore, anything like that.

0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 1>And then somebody went backstage and there's Sammy Davis Jr.

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Smoking a cigarette drinking a brand and he goes, Sammy,

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing. You just told Larry King that

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:46.719
<v Speaker 1>you gave all this up. He's like, I'm I planned to.

0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:50.640
<v Speaker 1>So who knows what he actually gave up or didn't do,

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:55.839
<v Speaker 1>but his whole jam was I want to experience every

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:58.759
<v Speaker 1>possible human experience I can, and I approach all this

0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff without judgment, which is how we ended up becoming

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:03.799
<v Speaker 1>involved in the Church of Satan, which went on, Yeah,

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 1>no judgment here. If that's his bag, it's not hurting anybody. Um.

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Did you see the one quote about the the ritual

0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:14.800
<v Speaker 1>with the lady who was tied to the bed, uh

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:17.799
<v Speaker 1>where he decided like it was okay? Yeah, he was

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:20.319
<v Speaker 1>talking about it and he was like that chick was

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:24.239
<v Speaker 1>loving it. Man, And well, I won't say the rest

0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 1>of the quote, but do you remember, Yeah, I remember,

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember. So all of this led to, Um, what

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about earlier. This this TV pilot that

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:40.480
<v Speaker 1>is legendary in Hollywood as one of the weirdest, worst

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 1>things that Hollywood has ever produced, And it was a

0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>pilot for a TV show in nineteen seventy three called

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Poor Devil, which was about a man who was a load,

0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 1>um low down on the totem pole or I guess

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:58.319
<v Speaker 1>high on the totem pole, Um coal shoveler in hell,

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 1>who is offer the chance to work his way up

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:04.840
<v Speaker 1>the ranks in how if he can get the soul

0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:09.680
<v Speaker 1>of Jack Klugman, living white man on Earth right Jack

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Klugman quincy m D. Yeah, and it is on YouTube,

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and dude, it is amazing. I have not had a

0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 1>chance to see yet. I can't wait to see it,

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:21.880
<v Speaker 1>but it sounds amazing. I saw it described as like

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 1>he's a reverse Clarence from It's a Wonderful Life. Would

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't possibly understand that? But uh, just imagine that

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:32.480
<v Speaker 1>somebody's not trying to get you to be good so

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that they can or understand how great life is. He's

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:38.560
<v Speaker 1>trying to to get him to follow his his most

0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:42.399
<v Speaker 1>bitter revenge impulses and stuff like that. But at one point,

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:45.840
<v Speaker 1>apparently um Jack Klugman wants to get in touch with

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.839
<v Speaker 1>Sammy Davis Jr. The Devil, and it's like, oh, I know,

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I'll call the Church of Satan downtown. They'll know how

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:52.840
<v Speaker 1>to get in touch with him. And the Church of

0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:56.879
<v Speaker 1>Satan went because apparently the pilot was aired, and they

0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 1>were all about Sammy d at this point, and they

0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:03.840
<v Speaker 1>made him an honorary war law. He used to flash

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:06.239
<v Speaker 1>like the devil horns at them from stage when they

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 1>would love he. Uh. Christopher Lee, by the way, played

0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the devil Um, which is pretty on the notes but perfect,

0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:20.239
<v Speaker 1>So that doesn't succeed obviously, it's terrible. The seventies and

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the eighties, his star starts to fade a little bit.

0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:24.440
<v Speaker 1>He's still around. Of course. He was on All in

0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the Family in a very famous episode where he kissed

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Archie Bunker on the lips. Uh. He was We have

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the great great Cannonball Run. Oh yeah,

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 1>he was in There wasn't a hey man. He and

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Dean were for partners. They played I forgot about. They

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:45.320
<v Speaker 1>dressed up as priests, that's right, heavily drinking, smoking priests.

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 1>They played themselves basically as priests who wanted to drive fast.

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty great. But you know, even though we revere

0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:55.920
<v Speaker 1>that film, I don't think it was looked at generally

0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 1>as one of the big highlights of his career. Oh.

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:02.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure not. By this time, he's kitchi Sammy from

0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:04.200
<v Speaker 1>what I understand like he was fine with that as

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.440
<v Speaker 1>long as he was working, he was okay. Because I

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:11.279
<v Speaker 1>said earlier that like he had a certain affiliation with

0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>that song um Mr bow Jangles, where if you listen

0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:17.839
<v Speaker 1>to it, it's about an old performer who's washed up

0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 1>and has been washed up for years and he's still

0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:23.280
<v Speaker 1>drinking and just doing you know, he's he's been reduced

0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 1>to doing basically sidewalk performances, and apparently Sammy was scared

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:31.839
<v Speaker 1>to death about that being his future. So even just

0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.600
<v Speaker 1>doing what he was doing with Dean and Cannonball Run,

0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:36.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it was just fine in his in his

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 1>mind because he was still working and performing. Of course,

0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:44.600
<v Speaker 1>he looks around and there's there's Bert Man, there's Adrian Barbow.

0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:50.479
<v Speaker 1>He was You're digging the Sammy now, aren't you. Yes,

0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:52.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think Sammy needs to be a recurring

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<v Speaker 1>character from now on. We'll see um the new hippie

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<v Speaker 1>rob so uh. In the eighties, he gets into some

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<v Speaker 1>financial trouble, to say the least, because I love how

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<v Speaker 1>he had put it. He had been struggling with tax

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<v Speaker 1>payments since the nineteen sixties. I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>Willie Nelson sort of deal from what I could gather.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I think he wasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>paying his taxes. Sure, sure, And and apparently he had

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<v Speaker 1>also I don't know if he got bad tax advice

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<v Speaker 1>or what, but he had claimed some very extravagant stuff

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<v Speaker 1>as a write off, and the I R. S came

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<v Speaker 1>back and said, Nope, you're that doesn't count. You also

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<v Speaker 1>owe on that. And his estate was worth or his

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<v Speaker 1>net assets were worth about four million, but he owed

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<v Speaker 1>about seven millions. And he was a profligate spender of money.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw one interview once where a guy said that

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<v Speaker 1>he walked six blocks in New York with them. He

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<v Speaker 1>even named the streets, so it seems like he really

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<v Speaker 1>did just walk six blocks and dropped fifty tho dollars

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<v Speaker 1>along the way, stopping in different stores, dropped that out

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<v Speaker 1>of his pocket on the street. No, no buying stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>just bye bye bye. He'd spend it because he had

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<v Speaker 1>come from nothing, and I knew, you know, that thrill

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<v Speaker 1>of spending money. He was terrible with his money, and

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<v Speaker 1>so as he um as he found out he owed

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<v Speaker 1>seven million dollars, he started to organize some some shows

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<v Speaker 1>and specials to try to raise some money to help

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<v Speaker 1>him pay off this debt. And after the first one,

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<v Speaker 1>I think in nine, he has found that he had

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<v Speaker 1>a sore throat, so he went to the doctor and

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:28.279
<v Speaker 1>ultimately was diagnosed with throat cancer. Yeah, after the that

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<v Speaker 1>very first show. And that's like such cruel irony to

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<v Speaker 1>raise all this money because when he passed away in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen nine, in May sixte of cancer, he left that

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<v Speaker 1>tax bill to his wife like that that carried over Yeah, Ali, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so um that really left her kind of destitute for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of her life as well. Oh yeah, for sure. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like she she then she basically owed three

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars and his estate was sold off like basically

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<v Speaker 1>at a yard sale auction. All of his stuff was

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<v Speaker 1>um and yeah he he that was not that was

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<v Speaker 1>the the negative part of his legacy was that text

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:14.919
<v Speaker 1>that leaving that behind. Yeah, and you know, in one way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like kind of a sad ending with the financial

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and obviously dying way too young of cancer. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five man, he did accomplish everything he set out

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<v Speaker 1>to accomplish. He he showed everybody who said this diminutive

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:34.279
<v Speaker 1>little mixed race kind of funny looking guy. Uh, is

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<v Speaker 1>never gonna amount to anything. And he had a lifelong

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<v Speaker 1>career from the age of three to sixty five in

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<v Speaker 1>show business. So and one of the things Chuck is

0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:46.120
<v Speaker 1>he did not really harbor regret. He apparently whenever he

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<v Speaker 1>talked about his life, he talked about it with great satisfaction,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty reassuring. Yeah. That quote on that Letterman

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<v Speaker 1>show was great. Yeah. On the episode he's he's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the younger generation and he said, I look at

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<v Speaker 1>the young before Armors today and I'd go like this, Yeah, man,

0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, cook, I've been there. That's it, man, I

0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:09.480
<v Speaker 1>have no envy I did at all. Yeah, pretty great,

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, cook. That's great. Sammy Davis Jr. Everybody around

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<v Speaker 1>of applause. You got anything else? Nothing else. If you

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 1>want to know more about Sammy Davis Jr. Just start

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<v Speaker 1>watching some of his old performances are pretty amazing. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And while you're doing that, we're gonna just move on

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<v Speaker 1>ahead to listener mail. Yeah, this is about the pizza thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We heard from a lot of nine people. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad that you you picked one of these. Man. This

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<v Speaker 1>is good. Hey, while we are not specifically trained to

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<v Speaker 1>send e M. S two calls where people pretend to

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<v Speaker 1>order a pizza. Most nine one one dispatchers will in

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<v Speaker 1>fact ask you this is one did you dial the

0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:52.759
<v Speaker 1>wrong number? And if they respond no, we will then

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<v Speaker 1>say are you in a situation where you can't ask

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<v Speaker 1>for help? And then they can say yes or no. Obviously,

0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:00.440
<v Speaker 1>there are many stories of this working out, most in

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 1>domestic violence or kidnapping situations. So even though it is

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<v Speaker 1>a protocol necessarily or set in stone as a way

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<v Speaker 1>to ask for help, it could help many people in

0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:11.600
<v Speaker 1>bad situations. We will not just hang up on you,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you keep ordering a pizza and do not

0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:18.440
<v Speaker 1>acknowledge that you need help. Most will still send out

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement for a welfare check due to the suspicious

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<v Speaker 1>nature of the call. I'm glad to hear this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>please let this be known because in the last ditch effort,

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<v Speaker 1>this may save someone's life. And that is from responder

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<v Speaker 1>Brooke Diane. Thanks Brooke, and thank you also not for

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<v Speaker 1>being like Josh was wrong wrong, wrong, wrong? Wrong? Oh

0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember did you say that's not true? Yeah?

0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:41.799
<v Speaker 1>I said specifically it's an urban legend. Okay, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even remember that. Yeah, So I was really glad when

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<v Speaker 1>people started writing I'm glad you picked one to say like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is for real. Okay, great, thanks again, Brooke.

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<v Speaker 1>That was fantastic. If you want to get in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with this like Brook did. Even if you do want

0:55:55.160 --> 0:55:58.040
<v Speaker 1>to say Josh was wrong, wrong wrong, wrong wrong, that's

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we'd love to hear that kind of thing.

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