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Speaker 2: Lots of headlines going back and forth here as it

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Speaker 2: relates to Iran in the Middle East. Let's get the

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Speaker 2: latest reporting. Ethan Bronner Israel bureau chief for Bloomberg News.

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Speaker 2: He is based in Tel Aviv. Ethan, I guess have

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Speaker 2: nothing else Iran and the US as it relates to

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Speaker 2: his fifteen point plan. Some progress seems to be being

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Speaker 2: made here. What can you tell us?

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure i'd characterize it as progress. Well, but

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the the Americans have presented a

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Speaker 3: fifteen point plan. I think it's fair to say that

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Speaker 3: the fifteen points are pretty much what they demand that

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Speaker 3: have run before they went to war with it. Iran

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Speaker 3: said no. Then then they went to war, and now

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Speaker 3: they're gone back and made the same demands. And it

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Speaker 3: looks like Arena said no once again. So I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't like progress, does it. No?

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Speaker 4: But I mean they're talking, is the fact.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Scarlett and I were just saying just the

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Speaker 2: fact that they're talking feels a little bit better.

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Speaker 4: I guess.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, you know, it's it's an interesting question

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Speaker 3: about good and bad. I mean, obviously from the most

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Speaker 3: perspective abroad, everybody would like this thing to come to

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Speaker 3: an end. I've just written a story that we put

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Speaker 3: on the Bloomberg Wire a couple of hours ago that says,

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Speaker 3: in this country, in Israel, that is not the goal.

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Speaker 3: The goal is victory, not stopping the war. So you know,

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Speaker 3: the idea is to stop around from having the capacity

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Speaker 3: to threaten Israel and the region any longer. And if

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Speaker 3: the war stops, that won't happen unless it stops on

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Speaker 3: the under the terms that President Trump has put forward,

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Speaker 3: and that doesn't seem very likely.

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Speaker 5: At the same time, Iron moving forward, for instance, it's

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Speaker 5: been able to export a lot of oil and make

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Speaker 5: It's also charging some ships a transit feed to get

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Speaker 4: Financially, you know, they're pocketing some money. They are.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure you'd a lot of change places with them.

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Speaker 3: They're losing all their infrastructure by pocketing a few bucks

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Speaker 3: in oil. I mean, sure, Look, I am not saying

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It's very difficult for us to assess.

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Speaker 3: And there's always a propaganda war underway at the same

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Speaker 3: time there's an actual physical war, an attempt to persuade

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Speaker 3: the other side to back down, and it doesn't look

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Speaker 3: at the moment that either side is now. It is

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Speaker 3: also true that from an American perspective, rising oil prices

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Speaker 3: to be a war of choice is causing a lot

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Speaker 3: of political trouble for the president. And in Iran, I

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Speaker 3: a lot more suffering than the West is. We shall see.

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Speaker 2: Ethan, if President Trump were to decide to end this

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Speaker 2: fair assumption that Israel will go along with that.

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Speaker 3: It's a fair assumption. Yes, I mean, as much as

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Speaker 3: this country would like to see it completed appropriately, it

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Speaker 3: is much more important to it to maintain its strong

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Speaker 5: Ethan, what are you looking at next? How are you

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Speaker 3: I'm trying not to keep score. I'm not really sure

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Speaker 3: you know, there are a bunch of things we're watching

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Speaker 3: coming days. So there's a lot that we're watching a lot.

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Speaker 5: Let's get a check on how this is all shaking

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Speaker 4: It's all about oil prices.

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Speaker 5: And oil prices right now are higher by more than

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Speaker 5: inflation and stagflation and demand destruction. Let's bring Kathy and Twistle.

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Speaker 5: She is managing director and private wealth advisor at Morgan

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Speaker 5: Stanley joining us from Delray Beach, Florida. Kathy, the rise

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Speaker 5: opens up. How does that color how you view investing

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, there's a lot of different things that we're thinking

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Speaker 6: about right now, and clearly this you know, this Iran

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Speaker 6: last week's data confirmed our inflation fears. PPI came in hot,

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Speaker 6: And what that means for you know, clients and just

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Speaker 4: So these are all.

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Speaker 6: Things we think about, and we're trying to remove some

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Speaker 2: About on the fixed income side here, how much credit

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Speaker 6: Yeah. No, we think that investing right now in safer

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Speaker 6: We want to protect it. We want to grow it methodically,

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Speaker 4: Where does gold fit into that.

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Speaker 5: For a while, everyone was flocking to gold and they

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Speaker 6: Yeah, on the rate hike issue, we don't anticipate a

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Speaker 6: we still like real assets. We like energy, infrastructure, commodities, reads,

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Speaker 6: and gold and metals still play a position there. Basically, again,

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Speaker 5: Even though gold is down about sixteen percent since the

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Speaker 6: Hasn't, but it also anytime there's a downward trend, there

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Speaker 6: it's just basically a hedge. And we don't put a

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Speaker 2: Inching Scarlett, just as you were talking about gold. Piece

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Speaker 2: Research first bulletpoint. We maintain our long term bullish call

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Speaker 2: buy on the weakness here, Kathy, how about numinisful bonds.

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Speaker 2: I know Donner Florida, you guys famously do not have

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, that's a great question, and we have lots of

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Speaker 6: we do like the municipal bonds, and we are continuing

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