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Speaker 1: Hey, what, I'm welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is

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Speaker 1: All Ball. Got a great guest on this podcast, so

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Speaker 1: as we would creep closer to college basketball season, we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of interesting stories and if you have one,

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Speaker 1: or if you are one, hit me in the DMS. Dude,

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Speaker 1: I'm on X all the time. When I say X,

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Speaker 1: you know it's Twitter. Whatever. Anyway, my guest in this

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Speaker 1: All Ball is Michael O'Connell. Now you're like, who's that?

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Speaker 1: How do I know that name? Well, there's lots of

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Speaker 1: people with that name. This one in particular was an

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Speaker 1: absolute superstar, absolute superstar. Michael O'Connor was as a lacrosse player.

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Speaker 1: In fact, his brother played lacrosse at Maryland. He committed

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Speaker 1: as an eighth grader to playing lacrosse at Maryland. How

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Speaker 1: do you become the starting point guard of Stanford? And

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, by the way, how do you end up

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Speaker 1: up at NC State? It's all part of this week's

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Speaker 1: All Ball. Take a listen. Okay, so obviously athletic family, right,

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Speaker 1: you grew up in where in New York? Lowland, New York? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so Long Island is home to a lot of things,

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Speaker 1: but it is the lacrosse mecca of the of the universe?

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Speaker 1: Is that accurate? I?

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Speaker 2: You know what, I'd be confident in saying that we

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Speaker 2: got a lot of great players that have come out

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Speaker 2: and went to college and done some great things.

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Speaker 1: So I'll take pride in that one. Yeah. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: like you're growing up, you're I don't know, twelve years old.

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Speaker 1: Twelve year old Michael Connell, what is your sports calendar

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Speaker 1: like in terms of what sports you're playing? Twelve years old?

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Speaker 1: I mean I was involved in a lot of sports.

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Speaker 2: I was playing basketball, football, lacrosse, baseball, soccer.

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Speaker 1: I even wrestled for a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So I mean day to day I was pretty busy

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Speaker 2: with either different workouts, practices, and on the weekend just

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Speaker 2: going back and forth from playing, you know, two lacrosse

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Speaker 1: So so when did you kind of when did you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think high school I kind of

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Speaker 2: I cut it down to the three sports basketball, football,

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Speaker 2: so I just I'm mainly focused on those two, and

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Speaker 2: then after my sophomore year, I focused more on just

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Speaker 1: What's the lacrosse's club season like? Or what what's what's

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Speaker 1: club lacrosse like? Club lacrosse is all year round.

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Speaker 2: There is really no like off season in a sense

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Speaker 2: That's when a lot of the practices are and there's

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Speaker 1: But fall you got a few tournaments.

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Speaker 2: Spring you have a lot of tournaments, and then even

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Speaker 2: the summer you're going to different tournaments and showcases and

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Speaker 1: So it's definitely an all around your sport. What position

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Speaker 1: I was in midfielder for lacrosse, Okay, So and is

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what were you actually best at? Were you

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Speaker 1: Eighth grader and you commit to Maryland lacrosse where your

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Speaker 2: But my local local private school is Shamu High School

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Speaker 2: You know, guys are definitely gunning for you, trying to

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Speaker 1: So when did you decide, Hey, maybe I don't want

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Speaker 1: So why I go to Blair because you mentioned Shamanan

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Speaker 2: But then you go to Blair, Why, I mean, just

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Speaker 1: So you're in so you're so, you're in Jersey, You're

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the education piece, and it's interesting because it's

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Speaker 1: obviously it's it's not it's not ideal. It's not what

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Speaker 1: you want.

437
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you winning. Everyone wants to win, and that's

438
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 2: what you're there to do, is just you know, win

439
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: games and play your best game. But at the same time,

440
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 2: you got to realize it's not like you're playing at

441
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 2: a local you know, in a local gym.

442
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: You're playing them, dude, I understand. But like I had

443
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 1: never lost before I went to Note. I went to

444
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame my freshman year, and you know, we end

445
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: up tied for last in the New Big East that

446
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 1: first year in the Big East. You know, we're well

447
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 1: below five hundred. I think we're like ninety eighteen or something.

448
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it was, it was it was rough and again,

449
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 1: like you come from I mean, like all of us

450
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: come from high school programs where you're losing two or

451
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: three for you know, max seven or eight games in

452
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: the year. Emotionally, what what what was that? What was

453
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 1: that like for you as the team's point guard espec.

454
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I take it. You definitely take a

455
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: lot of ownership for it. I mean as as like

456
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 2: the team point guard and leader out there. You you know,

457
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: you take a lot of You carry a lot of

458
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: that weight on your shoulders when you're trying to get

459
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: your team to win and over that hump of you know,

460
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 2: you might lose.

461
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: Two games in a row. But the thing is you can't.

462
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: You can't really you can't really let it affect your

463
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: next play in your next game. If I if I

464
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 2: sit there and just soul ca and be like, who

465
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: was me? You know, life's hard to be lost two games,

466
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 2: then we're never getting it. We're never winning another game,

467
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: especially if I'm the point guard and the leader on

468
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: the team. So especially being in that position, I got

469
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: to be the one who's you know, more confident. I

470
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 2: got to be uplifting guys when they're down, Like I

471
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 2: gotta I gotta not worry about myself that much. I

472
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: got to worry about the rest of the team and

473
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 2: everyone else in the sense of if I just sit

474
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: there and focus on myself, other guys are gonna do

475
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: the same thing and we're all just gonna we're just

476
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: going to collapse. But I had to make sure even

477
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: when tough times, I'm looking out towards the other guys

478
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: that hey, man, you're good. Let's get the next one.

479
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: Hey we lost this game was bounce back and kind

480
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 2: of being a leader in that sense and just helping

481
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 2: lead guys through the darkness.

482
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Speaker 1: What is the best thing about playing for Stanford.

483
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of great things, but I

484
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: would say I would say just the chemistry we had.

485
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: I think I don't know if I played on a

486
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 2: lot of teams that had chemistry close to it or

487
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 2: like it. We were. We just knew exactly what each other,

488
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: I like to do, where we want to get shots.

489
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 2: We played well together, We communicated extremely well. No one

490
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 2: ever took anything personal. No one was like if I

491
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: was yelling at him to you know, next time, cut

492
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: back the door or something like.

493
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: No one took up personal.

494
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: We knew where we were coming from, and it was

495
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 2: coming from a place that we all want to win

496
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: and we need to work together to achieve that. So

497
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 2: I think our chemistry and the way we communicated was

498
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: one of the best things we had on the court.

499
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Speaker 1: So you graduated in the spring, yes, okay. So you

500
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: graduate and you got a world of possibilities. Right, I'm

501
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: sure you can go and get a job. You could

502
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: probably go and continue playing somewhere overseas and start making

503
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,479
Speaker 1: some cash. You go to do La Cross, okay, or

504
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: you can go play basketball. Take me through the process

505
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: of how you decided to keep playing basketball.

506
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, just like I said before, one day

507
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: it ends, and it's hard. It's hard to know that

508
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: when I still got guess in the tank, that i'd

509
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 2: just be walking away from it.

510
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: Wait, whould you lose you last year in the in

511
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: the pack Feld Tournament Arizona? Okay? So you lose to

512
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: Arizona games over right? Like in your mind at that point,

513
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: what what what's your thought process on other than I

514
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: got to get back home right whatever? Like you what

515
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: were you actually thinking? I don't know if there was

516
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: one specific memory.

517
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: I guess it was just the fact that you know,

518
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 2: you got to keep working and just get better. I mean,

519
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: there's no there's nothing really.

520
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: I know, but you could. You could have gone back, right, Yeah,

521
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: could have gone back. Okay, you could you could again

522
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: lacrosse whatever, Like, are you thinking like, did I gotta

523
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: get out of here, I can get I gotta try

524
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: something different. Were you thinking I got it, maybe I'll

525
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: do lacrosse. Are you thinking maybe I'll take some time off?

526
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: Like what were you really?

527
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, No, At the moment, it was more just like

528
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: we were we were so close, like towards this end,

529
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: like we got to get better. That was it. I

530
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 2: mean there was no there was no thought like outside

531
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: of Stanford or basketball. I mean it was you know,

532
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 2: we we struggled throughout the year and no one ever

533
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 2: wants to do that. You know. We we beat we

534
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: won the first game where like close game with Arizona.

535
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: We obviously beat them during the year, and I was

536
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 2: just took on and said, like I need to get

537
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 2: better personally for us not to have this feeling again

538
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: this early in the season.

539
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: So okay, So then what was what? What what made

540
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: you make the decision to put yourself in the portal?

541
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one of the biggest things was like

542
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: I had the chance to graduate and then just you know,

543
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: taking that next step coming a little closer to home

544
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: I've been. I've been on the other coast for three years,

545
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: haven't really seen my family much. I haven't seen friends

546
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: really at all. I think that was just, you know,

547
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: the opportunity for that. It's tough to have, you know,

548
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: it's great to have one of my last year or

549
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: two that if I can have people I now care

550
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: about closer to me and at my games, something great

551
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 2: and then just a new opportunity.

552
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: So did you do an actual visit this time or

553
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: you do another zoom?

554
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: No, I did an actual visit. I came out. I

555
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: don't remember the exact date, but I came to campus

556
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: on like a Friday morning, stayed through the weekend, and

557
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: I just it was I just it felt it felt right,

558
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: you know that everything from the play style, the coaching,

559
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: the facilities, the campus, it just it felt like the

560
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: right fit for me.

561
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's no like you're talking polar opposites, right,

562
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you go from the farm, which is beautiful, isolated,

563
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: private northern California, to stage school, middle of a big city,

564
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: right down the road from down the road from Duke,

565
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: which is a lot more like a Stanford, right and

566
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: everything is everything is different. What's that adjustment like considering

567
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: it's so different even though it's in the same sport

568
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: at the same level.

569
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you just got to like just embracing where

570
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: you are. You know, it's not not comparing, like really

571
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: comparing the campuses. I feel like if I get caught

572
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: up and comparing, oh the Stanford, this campus is better

573
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: than this and this or this program is better than this,

574
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: like you fall into that like cycle of just negative thoughts,

575
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 2: but just being like grateful for where I am in

576
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: the sense of like, well, I'm at a new opportunity

577
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: state school, like more kids on campus, you know, bigger

578
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: camaraderie around sports and things like that. So it was

579
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: just being grateful for I am at the moment.

580
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: Okay, what what's what's it like team wise, what's what's

581
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: that group like? Because also different from Stanford is now

582
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: you have a lot of guys that are, you know,

583
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: moving in moving out Stanford. Obviously there's not as much

584
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: movement with the portal. What's that been like being a

585
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: new guy but also having other new guys around.

586
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think having a lot of new guys honestly

587
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: has made it a little easier because if you're if

588
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: you're coming into a team that already has twelve dudes

589
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: a all know each other, have been hanging out for

590
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: two or three years, you feel like the auto man

591
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: out a little bit. But coming into a team where

592
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: everyone's new, then from day one you're you're you're almost

593
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: forced into building relationships because you're going to be asking

594
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: questions about where it guys are from, what their programmers like,

595
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: you know, what they're like kind of thing. And since

596
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: everyone's constantly doing that because we have I think eight

597
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: new guys, it makes it a little easier I think,

598
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: honestly than coming to a team that's already been established

599
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: for a few years.

600
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: What's the most enjoyable part of NC State so far

601
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: to you?

602
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: I think campus life has honestly been super nice in

603
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: the sense of the support around sports is it feels

604
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: a little bigger and from like the fan base and

605
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: actual students.

606
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: I think that's been really nice.

607
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: Where Stanford, they had to we had pretty good support,

608
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: but kids were a little more focused on They were

609
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: focused on like their school and their startups and stuff

610
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: like that.

611
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: Where the Stanford, I know, the Stanford thing is weird

612
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: because if you go back to when I was playing,

613
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: that was the best basketball environment in the Pac twelve.

614
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: It really was.

615
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: It was great.

616
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: And overall, as you know, the Olympic sports are still

617
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: an incredibly high level, but it just feels like everybody

618
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: kind of does their own thing now, right whereas now

619
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: you're at a state school where it's all about state,

620
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: all about the sports and people. Is that is that fair?

621
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: You lived it, I'm just kind of an observe No. No,

622
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, you're definitely right.

623
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: I think like one of my one of my roommates

624
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: this past year at Stanford, he was working on the startup.

625
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: So he came to I think maybe one game throughout

626
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: the whole year, and he like would keep up to

627
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: date with the box scores, but he's like he's worrying

628
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: about doing his startup that He's like, I'm not going

629
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: to go to a sports game, which is.

630
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean super What was the start What was the startup?

631
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't remember. Something like private equity firms.

632
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: He was trying to build like spreadsheets for them to

633
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: make it much easier to organize everything. I think it's

634
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: still in the works right now, but but yeah, that's

635
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: that's what a lot of kids are doing. So they're

636
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: putting all their time and focus and empstace on that.

637
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: They're not going to come to games sometimes where kids

638
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: could be doing that here, but there's a lot more

639
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: focus on like going to the games, you know, and

640
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: stuff like that.

641
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: Uh okay, So a successful season for you looks like.

642
00:29:53,360 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: What successful season for me is helping lead the team

643
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: March Madness. I haven't been there yet. It's been a

644
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: dream mind since I was a little kid. I don't

645
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: care how I have to do it, but getting it

646
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: there is going to be That's a successful season for me.

647
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: Okay, have you thought of what it's gonna be like

648
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: to play at Cameron? You thought of what it would

649
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: be like to play in Chapel Hill or here's another

650
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: one lacrosse guy you thought it was. I don't know

651
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: if you guys play at Syracuse this year, but in

652
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: the Dome as well. I'm excited, like you got you

653
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: got some some big check marks in terms of places

654
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: people would most want to play.

655
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, no, I mean I'm super excited. These

656
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: are the school especially being for the East Coast. He

657
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: grew up watching, you know, I mean everyone watches these

658
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: big schools. But I'm saying, especially being for these coasts,

659
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: these games are on times you can watch them, so

660
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: I'm excited for him. I can't wait to, you know,

661
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: get in those environments and just get lost in the

662
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: game and the place going nuts and all these different things.

663
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: But I'm definitely excited for all these just to be

664
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: at all these different, you know, places and programs and

665
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: experience their environments.

666
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: NC State was a surprise team last year. What do

667
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: you feel like your crew this year? So far, we

668
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: have I think we can be really good. We have

669
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: a lot of talent.

670
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: A lot of the guys on the team can really

671
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: score the ball, really make plays. We just got to

672
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: make sure we consistently put it together. I think that's

673
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: going to be our biggest thing. But we have a

674
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: lot of talent. So obviously you said, I don't know

675
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: the other schools, but I think we could be really good.

676
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: It does feel like for you that's a better This

677
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: is a really good fit, right because it's not that

678
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: you can't score, but what you do best is lead, defend.

679
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: You know, you can make shots, but you can set

680
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: everybody up and let and kind of be the guy

681
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: that has no ego right about how you do it,

682
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: and you have guys that have scores egos which you

683
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: have to have. Your still have to score points to win.

684
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: But it feels like fit wise again, and I'm just

685
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: looking at this roster from thirty thousand feet. It feels

686
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: like that role really fits what you can automatically bring

687
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: and you've already done it. Is that how it feels

688
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: to you?

689
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? I think that was, you know. One

690
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: of the reasons I made the decision is we play

691
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: a fast filming offense, high pick and roll ball screens

692
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: and go make a play. And I think that's one

693
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: thing I've always been at least proud of myself and

694
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: is being able to make a play off that ball

695
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: screen and make the right read, whether it's getting my

696
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: little shot or you know, help side slides over your

697
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: skipping the ball the opposite corner, all these different things.

698
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I think it does. It is

699
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: a good fit for me, I think, and I hope.

700
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: So now you can play two years right, yep, two

701
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: years left? Okay, can you move again? Like, what's the

702
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: would you.

703
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: Have to get in a graduate degree? What would it?

704
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm not chasing at it. At NC State. But what

705
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: would the process be like so you wouldn't have to

706
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: have a found appeal for next year?

707
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: Honestly, honestly, I don't know how work because I mean

708
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not looking to leave and I don't

709
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: have any plans to leave. I don't even know like

710
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: how that process goes for transferring like two times?

711
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: Right, so you got to you got two years left?

712
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: What's with? What's what was your undergraduate degree in economics? Okay?

713
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 4: So then what's your master's going to be in? I'm

714
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 4: trying to get into the NBA program here. You haven't

715
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: gotten in, no, because I was late to the transfer portal,

716
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: So I've just been taking classes like towards so when

717
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: I get in, I can already have classes.

718
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: Then, Okay, Like how hard you have a Stanford degree?

719
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: Shouldn't be terribly hard? Did you have to take the

720
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: l SAT to get a lot of a lot of

721
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: NBA programs? You need like work experience heres?

722
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: So obviously I haven't.

723
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: Want to come back. Yeah, So what is NIL like

724
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: when you come into a market that hasn't seen you

725
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: known you?

726
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: I don't really know, like what other guys at other schools,

727
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: like how it works like what the NIL is at

728
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: their schools. But I mean, I think are I think

729
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: our program here does a pretty good job of trying

730
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: to help dudes out and make sure people are able

731
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: to capitalize on their their NIL and stuff like that.

732
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: So I mean it's been pretty good. Can't really complain.

733
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: Why do you think? Again, and you lived it, why

734
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: do you think so many of those elite academic institutions

735
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: struggle with getting their own alums to give to the collectives.

736
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess every every every school is their

737
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: own reasoning. I mean, I know some schools have where

738
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: if you donate, it doesn't just go to like say,

739
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: one sport's collective, it goes to a general collective. So

740
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: some people are like, if I'm donating money, I wanted

741
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: to go to baseball, but I don't want it to

742
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: go to that school or soccer or different things like that.

743
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: So I think that kind of deters people from donating

744
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: sometimes to the collective.

745
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: But but like but like, but like, look Stanford has

746
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 1: if you just put a pot, if you just put

747
00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: like income of alums, right, Stanford would kill, Northwestern would kill,

748
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt would kill, Notre Dame would kill. But what you

749
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: get when you talk to all those coaches are like

750
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: our lums, just they don't give to the level that

751
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the state schools, the NC States, the

752
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: Kansas State, they they don't. I'm just wondering, having lived

753
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: in that, why do you think that mentality is as

754
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: it is?

755
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess also kind of how I was saying.

756
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: For I'll give example, like my roommate right has a

757
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: startup going, didn't go to any games, so now he

758
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: leaves and makes all this money. If he never was

759
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: really a fan of basketball, he might feel like, why

760
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: am I going to get my money to basketball when

761
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: I can give it to maybe a collective for people

762
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: to do startups and fun startups and stuff like that.

763
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: So I feel like, if you're not at a school

764
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: where everyone loves those sports and supports those sports constantly,

765
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: especially when they grow up, and now they're away from

766
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: it and not even watching or surrounded by it, then

767
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: they're gonna be less incentivized to donate lots of money

768
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: towards that.

769
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: Is your cross career over.

770
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't even know

771
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna be Doing's.

772
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: Let's say two and a half years from now, like

773
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: there's Major League across right, like it's a legit thing.

774
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: They're like, hey man, how hard is it to pick

775
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: up a stick and get back after it?

776
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: Would be playing with the pros, It would be very difficult,

777
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: But I think I mean I still right now play

778
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: lcross every once in a while, like go out there

779
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: and shoot her when I go home, train a little bit,

780
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: like and I'm definitely rusty, but after a while I

781
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: can get it back. But going down and playing against

782
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 2: the professionals and stuff like that definitely isn't easy. I mean,

783
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: these dude's been playing since they're five years old. Then

784
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: they're the best in college a lot of them, and

785
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: out there the best in like in the world in

786
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: the sense playing. So I don't know, I don't know

787
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: how easy it'd be just to you know, take a

788
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: summer to train and then hop back out there. I mean,

789
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: I'd like to have confidence in myself that I could

790
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: do it, but I would have to really really see

791
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: go train for that one.

792
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: Okay, have you adjusted your diet to a southern lifestyle?

793
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: Uh? Not really. I Mean I'm already pretty restricted with it,

794
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: i e. Because I'm gluten free, so it's kind of

795
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: hard to embrace, like a little more of the southern

796
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: southern meeting, the different things bo when you show up.

797
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: And you say your guting for you, like, they're like, oh,

798
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: here we go, dude. From that was in northern California, right,

799
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: some of the people for sure like looking at it.

800
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: Come on, okay, last thing you mentioned. At some point

801
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: basketball starts stops bouncing, Your basketball stops bouncing.

802
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: What are you doing? I would love to get in

803
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: the finance field. Finance world, that's kind of something I've

804
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: always been interested and looked into when I was growing up,

805
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: and then also being surrounded by it growing up socially

806
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: going to Sham, I had a lot of people's like

807
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: families and parents stuff like that. We're in like the

808
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: Wall Street lifestyle and work those businesses like investment banking

809
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: or private equity. So that's something I've always kind of

810
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: known about and been pretty interested into. I don't know

811
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: exactly what I want to get into yet, but I

812
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: haven't put too much focus on it, but finance always

813
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: kind of been something I've been really interested.

814
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: You've never done an You've never done an internship on

815
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: Wall Street?

816
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: No, Because I mean it was kind of either do

817
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: an internship and be gone for the summer for basketball

818
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: or hoop or hoop. And I wasn't, like I said,

819
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: I'm not giving up on the hoop and opportunity when

820
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: I have it so.

821
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: So so again, So I'm saying, like five seven years

822
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: from now, you're you're like, I'm done with the playing thing.

823
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: You're on Wall Street, you know, living living in Manhattan, right,

824
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: black suit, white shirt, black pigh That that's the and

825
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: then eventually move back to the island. Private equity, a

826
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: lot of cars, a lot of houses, you know, all

827
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: the things that maybe buy an NBA keey, Like all

828
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: these private equity guys are freaking killing it. Used to

829
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: be doctors and lawyers. Now it's all private equity money.

830
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: That's is that that's the plan, that's the dream. That

831
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: sounds like a pretty good and pretty good plan.

832
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it'd be a along that path or

833
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: maybe you know, if you're off a little bit, But

834
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: if that was what I was told I was gonna do,

835
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: I can't really complain.

836
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: All right, So, like ax Capital, you know in the

837
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: in the shows that you streamed, Okay, give me the

838
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: the five favorite shows that you've streamed.

839
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: My number one would definitely be the show called Piky Blinders. Sure, yeah,

840
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: it's definitely my number one. Love that show. Watch it

841
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: any day of the week. I haven't had many. I'm

842
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: working on suits right now. I'm working on that. It's

843
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: been pretty good so far. I'm not a big I'm

844
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: not a big like series guy. If that, what, are

845
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: you a movie guy or what if you're not a

846
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: series I'd rather watch a movie than than that. So

847
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: I'm more into like, I love a good like Marvel

848
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: or DC movie. I just finished like the Batman trilogy again,

849
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: I've watched that so many times.

850
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: But the Chris fran Nolan ones, right, not the other ones. Yeah,

851
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan, for sure. The other ones are junk. The

852
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: Chrisopher Nolan onanes are big time. Christopher Nolan's, I would

853
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: just say a big time yeah, like, yeah, you're not

854
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: watching Batman and Robin like oh and the series for

855
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: like ten years. You know what's interesting is I go

856
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: to I can watch Guardians of the Galaxy anytime and

857
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: enjoy it. That's Guardian's the Galaxy, one, two's good, threes,

858
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: It's okay. I don't know. I feel like I feel

859
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: like one is a great go to.

860
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of those movies you can just rewatch

861
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 2: and they never get old.

862
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: Yes. And the other part to it, though, is I

863
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: feel like, are there really people that read all these

864
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: comic books that I missed on, because like, I don't

865
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: know anything about any of these characters, but apparently there's

866
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: this whole subculture that had the comic book thing. They're like, oh, yeah,

867
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: it does this is I have? Do you know anybody

868
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: who's actually read the comic books?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had. I had one friend in high school.

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Speaker 2: I can remember where he would after the movie would

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Speaker 2: first come out. He'd go watch it that night at midnight,

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Speaker 2: show up to school the next day off of like

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Speaker 2: three hours of sleep, and he would just vent about

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Speaker 2: the movie didn't line up with this guy, and then

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Speaker 2: it was weird how they went this path instead of this,

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I haven't even seen the movie, so

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Speaker 2: you're ruining for me right now. But uh, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've only known one guy who's really stuck to the tea,

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Speaker 2: read all the comic books, knew every character what they

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Speaker 2: were supposed to do, and like compared it to the movies.

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Speaker 1: By the way, dead cool. I believe is the best

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Speaker 1: of any of that genre. Like it's that's one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite movies of all time. Those are you If

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Speaker 1: you are going to embody one superhero character, Yeah, only one? Yep?

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Speaker 1: Who would it be? Spider Man? Hands down?

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Speaker 2: That's my that's my guy. I love Spider Man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's just always been like, wasn't big on

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Speaker 2: you know, we'vealing who he was. He isn't He never

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Speaker 2: at the beginning he wanted the attention, but then he

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Speaker 2: kind of gave up on that, and then he's always

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Speaker 2: just willing to help other people and give up on

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Speaker 2: you know, his in school he was you know, he

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Speaker 2: wasn't doing well in school, and he was one of

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Speaker 2: the smartest guys.

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Speaker 1: His sleep and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: He was just super, super selfless and he just he's

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Speaker 2: just a guy, Like I love that guy.

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Speaker 1: This is I believe, you know, this is not a

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Speaker 1: you're checking him out, but who's your favorite Spider Man?

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Speaker 1: This is a big thing. Toby Maguire, the original Okay,

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Speaker 1: gotta go, Okay, I like that, by the way. The

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Speaker 1: last one, the newest end of the Spider Verse, was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Took me a while to figure it out. I was like,

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Speaker 1: what am I even watching? Like, it's like a twenty

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Speaker 1: minute and I'm older, Like, I'm twenty five years older

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Speaker 1: than you, so so a lot of this the Spider

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Speaker 1: verse thing. I was like, wait, well, and then once

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Speaker 1: I figured out, I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: really liked it. And and there's also the soundtrack is outstanding.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, very good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well listen, I can't wait to see it in

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Speaker 1: an OLF Pack uniform. I love your story. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining me and let's catch up as the as

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Speaker 1: the season wars on. Cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I appreciate you having me on today.

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Speaker 1: Man, does that make you a fan of NZ State?

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Speaker 1: Make you a fan of Michael O'Connell just really at

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Speaker 1: peace with who he is and what he's decided to

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Speaker 1: do and how he's decided to do it. Consider Maly

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Speaker 1: somebody who's gonna watch the Wolf back and root for

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Speaker 1: him and playing and trying to get the Pack back

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Speaker 1: to the NCAA tournament. My thanks to Michael O'Connor for

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Speaker 1: his time. Remember remember you can listen to the Doug

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