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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show everyone, and Happy Halloween. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Happy Hallows Eve. I'm Eli, I'm Diana, and we're so

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Speaker 1: thrilled to have you today. Thrilled and I love it.

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Speaker 1: That's what we need more of. We're positively, uh positively

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Speaker 1: having you. That's not good at all. You can see why. Well,

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Speaker 1: It's hard to be fresh, you know, it's true, it's

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Speaker 1: hard to be flesh or like it. Very excited for

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Speaker 1: this special Halloween episode. Extra spookiness in store today Because

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Speaker 1: if you know about Ed and Lorraine Warren, chances are

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Speaker 1: you've heard about them from the Conjuring movies by James

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Speaker 1: Juan starring Vera Farmiga and Patrick Wilson. But these two

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Speaker 1: of paranormal investigators with their own spooky back stories because

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Speaker 1: after becoming the pre eminent paranormal power couple of their day,

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Speaker 1: they were at the center of some of the world's

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Speaker 1: most well known supernatural mysteries like the Amityville Horror, Annabelle

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Speaker 1: the Doll, and the parent family Haunting, which is the

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Speaker 1: story on which the Conjuring was based. Now, obviously they're

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Speaker 1: terrifying tales have been called into question by skeptics. But

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Speaker 1: more shockingly, some truly dark claims have been made about

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Speaker 1: Ed's behavior and the Warren's loving marriage, and this led

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Speaker 1: So let's hear the hauntingly strange tale of Ed and

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Speaker 1: Lorraine Warren and their battle against demons and spirits from

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Speaker 1: Beyond the Graves. So ready, let's gohost hater friends from listen.

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Speaker 1: Let say you're welcome to Hell. There's no matchmaking, romantic tips.

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Speaker 1: It's just an old coops as you are lying in crypts,

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Speaker 1: we'll put it it off. Show Recruitulous rolls a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. So much of this comes from

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Speaker 1: a book called The Demonologists by Gerald Brittle, and this

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Speaker 1: came out in nineteen eighty and it is the central

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Speaker 1: biography about Ed and Lorraine's life. But remember this author,

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Speaker 1: Gerald Brittle, because he's coming back later. Ed Warren was

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Speaker 1: born at September of nineteen twenty six in Connecticut, and

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Speaker 1: to sense the supernatural. See, their old landlady lived in

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Speaker 1: truly haunting, truly haunting. There was a woman like that

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Speaker 1: later on in life. And meanwhile, Ed was reading every

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Speaker 1: Ed driving got a raggedy Ann drabbing his head from behind.

422
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: She's like, no, they did change the dolls in the

423
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: movie to a much creepier doll than a raggedy Ann,

424
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: because that is kind of hilarious. So scary doll acting

425
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: like that is pretty flat faced button, nice doll. It

426
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: would be so funny. You could change nothing else about

427
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: the movie and it would be a comedy, classic horror

428
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: comedy class. Somebody do that. Somebody recut that trailer. Okay,

429
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: So Ed and Lorraine worked many other major k is

430
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: like we've mentioned earlier, like Amityville and all these things,

431
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 1: But the one a lot of horror movie fans are

432
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: most familiar with referenced earlier is the conjuring this is

433
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: the story of the parent family. Now this movie is

434
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: apparently much more close to the true story Lorraine actually

435
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: worked as a consultant on the project. She even has

436
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: a cameo role in the movie, and she insisted that

437
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: the producers didn't take any more creative liberties than they

438
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: absolutely needed to. It's mostly very close to true life.

439
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: Lorraine also told USA Today, quote the things that went

440
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: on in there were just so incredibly frightening. It still

441
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: affects me to talk about it today. Now, this is

442
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: the story of Caroline and Roger Parrin and their five

443
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: daughters who moved into a farmhouse in Harrisville, Rhode Island.

444
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: But there were spirits who already had an attachment to

445
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: this property. Most of these spirits that visited the daughters especially,

446
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: were harmless, but some were angry. Caroline was tormented the most.

447
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: The first visitation she ever received was at five o'clock

448
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: in the morning. She woke up and she saw what

449
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: she called the most frightening thing she'd ever seen in

450
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: her life. Quote. It was a very tall woman. Her

451
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: head was like a sack of cobwebs with little ten

452
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: drils of hair hanging out. All right, don't need to

453
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: sleep tonight, you. Caroline learned that the home had been

454
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: in the same family for eight generations, and many of

455
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: those who lived there died under mysterious or horrible circumstances.

456
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: The worst of these was Bathsheba, who saw herself as

457
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: the matriarch of the house and she saw Caroline as competition.

458
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: The real Bathsheba lived in the house in the mid

459
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds and was rumored to have been a Satanist

460
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: and potentially a murderer. According to all That's Interesting dot com,

461
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: the home would smell like rotting flesh. Beds would levitate

462
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: and hover above the ground. While the family avoided the

463
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: basement as much as they could, their heating equipment would

464
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: mysteriously fail, and Roger would have to go downstairs, where

465
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: he said he felt quote a cold stinking presence behind me.

466
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: Every basement I go in, I feel that it's really

467
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: deep seated. From home alone. When he went and the

468
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: radiator laughed at him, that is legit for me. I

469
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: think most kids feel that, especially have an unfinished basement. Yeah,

470
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: which I I did growing up. But you know what,

471
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: Home alone also gave me the courage to laugh at it.

472
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: That's right. He appreciated that he's a man now. Yeah,

473
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: because I kind of thought that I was, like you

474
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: know what. I'm just gonna tell that noise to shut

475
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: up that I'm tough. I'm tough. Sometimes that worked, scared

476
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: it still works today. Sometimes it doesn't now. The warrants

477
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: made multiple trips over the ten years that the family

478
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: lived there, and at one point Lorraine attempted a seance

479
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: to try and contact the spirits. During this, Caroline was possessed.

480
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: She floated up off the ground and started chanting and

481
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: what her eldest daughter, Andrea called, quote a language not

482
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: of this world, in a voice not her own. Carolin

483
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: was lifted up and thrown across the roof. After that,

484
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: Roger parent told the warrants to quote, get the hell

485
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: out of my house and never return. In all, the

486
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: parents had to live in that house for a decade

487
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: before they could afford to move, at which point the

488
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: haunting stopped. Andrea parents said, quote, my mother and I

489
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: would just as soon swallow our tongues than tell a lie.

490
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 1: People are free to believe what they want, but I

491
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: know what we experienced. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's so

492
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: cold in here. Are you're not breezing? I mean it's

493
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: a little cold, but I just turned the heat. Can

494
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: you do you feel like a space heater or something.

495
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yea yeah, hang up, there's a space heater.

496
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Um go get it just a second on the door

497
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: won't open. You'll just get up. I still get up?

498
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: What are you doing up? Oh? You still with us? Listener?

499
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: Stay awhile. We have such stories to share. We we'll

500
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: be back right after this. Welcome back everyone. There are

501
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: treats for the ears and so beariful all to share. Um,

502
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: excuse me, I'm sorry. It's these these fall allergies. You know,

503
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: they've really been kicking in the last couple of days. Yeah,

504
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: your voice sounds really weird. And the season water are

505
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: you Yeah, no, it feels a lot better. And it's

506
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: so weird how the power was flickering right, and that

507
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: draft came in under a freezing call. Anyway, So there's

508
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: so much more important info about the Warrens beyond the

509
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: cases they explored, and much of it has come out

510
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: just in recent years. Ed passed away in August of

511
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, and one of the stories he

512
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: always wanted to get made into a movie was the

513
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: conjuring That one really stuck with them. Both their daughter,

514
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: Judy's husband Tony Spera said, quote, and what's being made

515
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: into a movie that one. I think he's working from

516
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: beyond to make this thing happen. There's a lot of

517
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: people in Hollywood right now trying to get a script made,

518
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: and they're like Ed Cain, he's dead and he gets

519
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta be a ghost town now. First

520
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: of all, obviously, the Warrens have always had their detractors.

521
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: Many disbelievers in the Viking News of Westchester Community College

522
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: wrote in opposition to the school using student activity fees

523
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: to pay Lorraine to lecture. They said, quote Warren, along

524
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: with her late husband Ed, are audacious and unabashed frauds,

525
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: capitalizing on completely meritless superstition, which is all too common

526
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: in modern society. And Dr Stephen no Ella at Yale

527
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: School of Medicine says that their methods just exacerbate people's

528
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: existing mental illness. He said, quote, they'll say, yes, your

529
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: child is possessed by a demon. That's the worst thing

530
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: you can do to somebody with a delusional problem. It's

531
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: like saying, yes, the CIA really is monitoring you through

532
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: the fillings in your teeth. Damn. Wait, CIA is monitoring

533
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: to me through my film, and now I feel like

534
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: he was really confessing there and then trying to get

535
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: I believe it. I know you're listening, C I A.

536
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: I do think it's so weird to say anyone with

537
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: the ghost deep problem has mental illness, right right, right?

538
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: But I guess if you're not believing, what else could be?

539
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: Do you think it must be a delusion, you know,

540
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: or unless it's just creaky floorboards or a draft like

541
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: it was for us, like it was. Yeah, but claims

542
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: of Adam Lorraine's fraud we're just the beginning. Because in

543
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen, four years after The Conjuring came out

544
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: and a year after The Conjuring two, the Hollywood Reporter

545
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: put out an article titled war over the Conjuring The

546
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: disturbing claims behind a billion dollar franchise, and that brings

547
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: us to this episode's side piece, I'm scared now. The

548
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: article says that a few weeks after the Conjuring movie opened,

549
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: studio executives were made aware of allegations that in the

550
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: early nineteen sixties, Ed Warren had a relationship with an

551
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: underage girl with Lorraine's knowledge. What her name is Judith

552
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: Penny and now in her seventies. She said in a

553
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: sworn declaration that she quote lived in the Warren's house

554
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: as Ed's lover for four decades. An attorney for Lorraine

555
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: said that the family had no knowledge of such conduct,

556
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: and that as Lorraine was ninety years old at the

557
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: time and in failing health, she could not comment. Judith

558
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: Penny said that before Ed was famous, he was working

559
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: as a city bus driver in Monroe, Connecticut. He was

560
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: in his mid thirties and Judith was just fifteen, a

561
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: student at Central High School who wrote his bus. She

562
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: began a quote amorous relationship with him, and by nineteen

563
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: sixty three she moved into their home. Hollywood Reporters says

564
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: quote for the next forty years. She said she had

565
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: a sexual relationship with Ed with Lorraine's knowledge. At first,

566
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: she had a bedroom across the hall from them, before

567
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: the couple had an apartment built for her upstairs. Ed

568
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: would sleep downstairs one night and upstairs the next. Sounds

569
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: like they had a nice compromise going at the very least,

570
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: but her moving in didn't go unnoticed. In ninety three,

571
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: someone tipped off the police and Judith was arrested. Police

572
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: tried to convince her to sign a statement admitting to

573
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: the affair, but she refused. The courts ordered her to

574
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: go to juvenile delinquency meetings once a week for a month.

575
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: Ed would pick her up from school and take her there. Okay,

576
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: a couple of things, many problems. One, why does she

577
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: get arrested when people say that she's sleeping with she's

578
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: a minor sleep with an adult? Boggles the mind. Why

579
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: would she get arrested? Would a great question him if

580
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: those accusations came up him, her parents, maybe anyone but her?

581
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: Why is she the one unless you're like, the only

582
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: place you're safe is in US cops watching you because

583
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: you have a creep out with you. Unless the police

584
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: are being controlled by the demons who are trying to

585
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: stop Ed and Lorraine God, and they trying to get

586
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: a false confession out of her for this thing, unlikely.

587
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: I don't believe. I'm not taking the side of of

588
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: of a supernatural excuse for a sexual predator. No, thank you. Also,

589
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: if this is all going down, she's got these accusations

590
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: left against her and has has been like court ordered

591
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: to go to juveniles alinquency, ED, what do you do?

592
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: And being the one to take her like, talk about

593
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: taking it more suspicious. I'm really not understanding how they

594
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: did not remove her from the home even if she

595
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't sign a statement. They still know, right, they believe,

596
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: but I don't think they had any proof. Somebody just

597
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: tipped them off. I mean I guess, yeah, I guess

598
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: if she won't say anything, they can't really be like,

599
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: you're not in a safe space. She's just living there.

600
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: They're taking care of her. Damn Well, it gets worse

601
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: because in nineteen fifteen, years after she moved in with them,

602
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: Judith says that this is when she got pregnant with

603
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: Ed's child and Lorraine convinced her to have an abortion.

604
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: She said that despite Lorraine claiming to be a devout Catholic, quote,

605
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: her real God is money. And Judith claims that, you know,

606
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: if the scandal had gotten out, it would ruin their career,

607
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: as you know ghost hunters, which they were successful at

608
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: at the time. They were pretty big at this time. Okay,

609
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: so she's like, you can't have no baby around me now.

610
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Judith alleges that the Warrens wanted her to tell everyone

611
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: that someone had broken into the house and raped her.

612
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: And that's how she got pregnant. But Judith refused to

613
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: tell that lie. She did get the abortion, and Ed

614
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: and Lorraine, she says, picked her up from the hospital,

615
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: dropped her off at home, and then went out and

616
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: did a lecture that night. Now, Judith also said that

617
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: Ed and Lorraine would fight really badly. She claimed, quote

618
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: some nights, I thought they were going to kill each other.

619
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Speaker 1: She also said that Ed once backhanded Lorraine so hard

620
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Speaker 1: that she passed out. Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, very

621
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: intense allegations. And Lorraine's daughter, Judy and her husband Tony

622
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: say they never saw that kind of behavior from either

623
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 1: of them, and that they had just offered Judith Penny

624
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: a place to live when she had nowhere else to go. Okay,

625
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: so total philanthropists right right point out that Judy did

626
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: not live with the Warrants growing up. She lived with

627
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: her grand So how would she know. I mean they

628
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: were close, you know, she said. She maintained a good

629
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: relationship with them throughout their lives. Right. But people can hide.

630
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: People can hide us. Think about Fred and Dolly OSTERI,

631
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Dolly can hide a lot. You can

632
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: hide a lot in the house from an unobservant person.

633
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: But Judy and Tony allege that while the warrants were

634
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: on tour lecturing, Judith watched their house, and they claim

635
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: that she had a long term boyfriend at the time

636
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: who she eventually married. They think Judith is being manipulated.

637
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: But get this. In Lorraine's contract with New Line to

638
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: work as a consultant on the conjuring, the Hollywood Reporter

639
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: reports that it specifically states that neither she nor Ed

640
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: could be depicted quote engaging in crimes including sex with miners,

641
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: child pornography, prostitution, or sexual assault, and neither of them

642
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: could be depicted as having an extramarital affair. Hollywood Reporter

643
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: does quote a talent attorney saying that it's not unusual

644
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: for people to put specific details in their contracts when

645
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: they sell the rights to their stories, but quote, she

646
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: has never seen specific language barring depictions like these. Man.

647
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: That is so weird, so weird, because you might say,

648
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: like I might sell my story to New Line, which

649
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: I feel free to call me up guys, um, and

650
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: you know I might put in my contract. Uh, you know,

651
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: you can never just make me chrimellion a crime. And

652
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: I never did, but I don't want them to put

653
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: it in there for dramatic effect, Like I'm just trying

654
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: to get ahead of it and say, don't funk in

655
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: my life too much that happens. But to so specifically say,

656
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: by the way, you can never depict us as having

657
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: sex with miners is like such a very specific thing

658
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: to put in there, insanely specific. If someone was reading it,

659
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: I feel like they'd be like, usually that kind of

660
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: goes without saying, yeah, but maybe you would include it

661
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: if you knew there was some dirt out there about

662
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: your asked being nasty, pedophile, super weird. And then get this.

663
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: After the movie came out, producer Tony de Rosa Grund

664
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: emailed a bunch of executives and said, hey, you guys,

665
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: we gotta stop saying that this is the true story

666
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: of the Warrens, because it ain't. He got wind of

667
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: Judith's claims and said, quote, Ed was a pedophile, a

668
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: sexual predator, and a physically abusive husband. Lorraine enabled Ed

669
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: to do this, and he warned the producers that Judith

670
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: might tell her story to the media, saying quote, once

671
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: this comes out, do you think Patrick Wilson or via

672
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: Farmigo would knowingly play Ed and Lorraine again. Oh hell,

673
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: no Vera would be like remove of me, replaced me

674
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: with the holocrame of Christopher Plummer. Now. De Grund told

675
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: Judith Penny that he could quote temper the romantic relationship

676
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: between the characters and the sequel because one of the

677
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: big problems that she had is that I guess they're

678
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: to portrayed is such a loving couple. And she's like,

679
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: that's totally wrong. I don't want people thinking that was

680
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: what their life was when it was actually very volatile

681
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: and bad. You know, there's a lot of bad stuff

682
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: going on. He said, Well, in the sequels, you know,

683
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: I'll make sure that it's not such a happy marriage.

684
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: But get this. Just a few years later, Tony de

685
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: Rosa Grund was suing Warner Brothers and New Line for

686
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: booting him from the sequels. All of a sudden, he

687
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: wasn't involved no more. What very strange. Meanwhile, remember Gerard Brittle,

688
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: who wrote the book The Demonologists and spent years following

689
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: and interviewing the Warrens. He was also suing Warner Brothers

690
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: and New Line. He claimed that the conjuring franchise violate

691
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: an exclusivity deal that he had with the Warrens, which

692
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: prevented them from entering into a motion picture deal without

693
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: his consent. He also claimed the movies were falsely depicting

694
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: real figures and claiming to be true stories, so essentially

695
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: like Tony saying, this ain't the real story, right, because

696
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: Brittle revealed that while he believed the Warrens when he

697
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: was writing the book, he later discovered that their stories

698
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: were far from truthful. He said the studio was aware

699
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: they were false, and therefore they copied the version of

700
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: events in his book rather than tell their true story,

701
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: so therefore they were stealing his version. He had written

702
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: it as a true story, but it turned out to

703
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: be fiction. So he's like, as the writer, I should

704
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: get something, which I totally get it. That's so crazy.

705
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: He must have heard Judas claims as well, and it's

706
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,479
Speaker 1: just well, Brittle actually knew Judith. He knew her pretty

707
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: well because he spent so long with the Warrants. There's

708
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: a passing reference to her in his book, but not

709
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: much of one, and according to Living Magazine, somewhere in

710
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: Gerald Brittle's three and fifty five page lawsuit, he claims

711
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: that Judith Penny was ready to testify about how inaccurate

712
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: the portrayals of the Warrens were in the movies. It said,

713
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: she would disclose quote the absolute charade of this family

714
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: dynamic as depicted as fact in these movies. The true

715
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: family dynamic was known at the highest executive levels of

716
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: both New Line and Time Warner. So he's saying, I

717
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: will I've got a witness who can come out here

718
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: and spill this. And this seemed to be what really

719
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: freaked out the movie studios because they're like, first, we

720
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: didn't want this to get out because we're just trying

721
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: to sell a movie here. We don't want people hating

722
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: these characters, right, so bury that. And then on top

723
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: of that, they're like, oh, plus, if this story is

724
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: not true, then we did copy the book, so we'll

725
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: get in trouble for that, uh huh. And then on

726
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: top of that, now if it comes out and for example,

727
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: de Rosa Grunt has this email to us from back

728
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: then telling us and we knowingly ignored it, and it

729
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: looks real bad for us to now. Judith herself never

730
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: did go to the media with her story. There's a

731
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: few taped conversations I'm not sure with whom, but the

732
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: Hollywood Reporter got their hands on these, and then of

733
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: course they have what they heard from de Rosa, Grund

734
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: and Gerald Brittle about Judith's story. Judith spoke to someone

735
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: because it said that there's a sworn statement out there

736
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: that she wrote, so I'm not sure exactly who, but

737
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: she did not go to the media with this story herself.

738
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: But the tapes revealed that she did really love ed Um.

739
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: She didn't have very fond feelings for Lorraine, and she

740
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: often wondered why Lorraine let her stick around for so long.

741
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: In one of these recordings, she says, quote, why did

742
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: I do this? Why did I screw up my life

743
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: like this? I get angry thinking about it. How so

744
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: much was taken away from me? I mean true, though,

745
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: for you live in as a third wheel in some

746
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: guy's house, a secret mistress for starting years year old,

747
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: and you never get to have your kid, a kid

748
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: of your own, or a house of your own, or

749
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: anything of your own. I mean, yeah, that would be

750
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: something that would make you incredibly better. And yeah, like

751
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: you said, fifteen, at what point was she like, man,

752
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: I think I was probably a child who wasn't capable

753
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: of making a decision like. In the end, Brittle's case

754
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: was settled with the joint statement being released, saying quote

755
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: Mr Brittle realizes that filing this lawsuit was a mistake

756
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: and that new Line has no liability and did nothing wrong.

757
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,959
Speaker 1: I'm like, did he realize it was a mistake because

758
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: you sent some coons to his house or a big

759
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: enough check? Well that's either way, because they settled out

760
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: of Cork. He was suing for nine hundred million dollars

761
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: because that this is again, this is an over billion

762
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: dollar franchise at this point, the conjuring, the conjuring to Annabel.

763
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: I think there's an Annabel to the none. These are

764
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: all movies based off the warrants and their stories that

765
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: Brittle wrote about in his book. Okay, so yeah, he

766
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: really felt like he needed recompense, So I guess he

767
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: did get his recompense. And THHR reports that Brittle now

768
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: claims he was put up to the lawsuit by none

769
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: other than Tony de rosa Grunts producer. He said, quote,

770
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: Tony has been controlling this litigation from the start. He

771
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: even threatened my attorneys that if they sent information from

772
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: me without him reviewing it first, they would be fired.

773
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: Ah what. He also said that when he complained about

774
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: this about Dick Grun sort of oversight of all the

775
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: evidence and everything, de Grun told the lawyers, Oh good, well,

776
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: then get Gerald to fucking pay you. Oh wait, he

777
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: doesn't have a pot to piss in. I for got.

778
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh okay. So it's really like elitist about it too,

779
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: Like I'm paying for the lawsuit here. Oh wow, I

780
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: get I get to control the whole flow of information.

781
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: Get a pot to piston first, right, So very shifty,

782
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: that is shifting. But then Tony says, quote Mr Brittle

783
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: was never a puppet. New Lines campaign against me is

784
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: pure retribution because I was the whistleblower that put new

785
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: Line on notice regarding the sexual predation by Ed Warren.

786
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: The studio did not only not investigate those claims, they

787
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: said they didn't want to know. Wow. So I could

788
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: totally see a studio being like, we're right this check

789
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: but this is what you need to be saying. Oh

790
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: it's so hard to say, oh my god, because usually

791
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean especially I mean this is this was all

792
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: happening in seventeen or so. Hollywood's got a pretty potent

793
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: history back then of covering up sexual assault, especially they have, Yeah,

794
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: especially when they have a ton of money at stake,

795
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: like a big franchise like this, So you know, I

796
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: could totally see that. On the other hand, I don't

797
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: know this guy de Rosa Grund. He sounds real shady.

798
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: Apparently he's getting sued for like some sort of crypto

799
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: thing right now in Florida. I don't really know the details. Um,

800
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: but I don't know. He might be the shitty, shifty

801
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: guy who was who's also correct about everything that's going

802
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: on with Edward. That doesn't necessarily mean blind. Yeah, if anything,

803
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: he would know more about it. Like, trust me, I've

804
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: done it myself many times. I'll tell you exactly how

805
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: they did it. But people are like, well, why then

806
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: is he uh you know, making all this up? If

807
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: he is, And people like, well, he got booted from

808
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: making the sequels, so he's just a grudge. He wants

809
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: his money. They were like, well, then why do you

810
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: get booted from the sequels? But then is he just

811
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: nobody likes him and he sucks? Exactly what did he

812
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: do or did he say something about this and they

813
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: didn't like it? Oh? Right, this is a very tough

814
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: and in terms of Judith, some people say that he

815
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: put her up to a lot of this, that he

816
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: took maybe an old yeah, that Tony did that. Maybe

817
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: this is an old story that true or not, he's

818
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: sort of like dug up and re sparked, trying to

819
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: trying to get her to testify. You know. Some people

820
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: say that she was pressured by police originally to talk

821
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: about this affair that never happened, and it was all

822
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: people just kind of coming after the Warrens um either

823
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: because they resented them, a lot of people hated them, uh,

824
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: or or for some other reason we don't know about.

825
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm inclined to believe this, lady, so am

826
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: I so am I. Um, but it is wild, It's real,

827
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: hard to say, very very wild. And I guess Lorraine

828
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: is no longer with us. Lorane died in nineteen Yeah,

829
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: and she was in poor health for the last few years.

830
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: So she, as far as I could tell, never really

831
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 1: commented on this. Yeah. And Judas is still alive. Jude

832
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: is Yeah. Judas is still alive as far as I know,

833
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: but again, has never really made any media appearances. Um. Judy,

834
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: her daughter and her husband Tony are still alive. They

835
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: took over the museum for a while, but it did

836
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: close after Lorraine's death. Oh that's too bad. Yeah, Apparently

837
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: after the movies came out, they started getting way more

838
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: recognition and somebody complained about the museum. Well, they said

839
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 1: people just started pouring in. They got so much more

840
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: business than they could handle. And I remember the daughter

841
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: Judy saying people would just come in and park in

842
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: the parking lot and like peer at us through the

843
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Speaker 1: windows and stuff, and it got real creepy. It was

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Speaker 1: to Lorraine for me. Um. But eventually someone complained, like

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Speaker 1: somebody filed a suit against them not having the right

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Speaker 1: permits or something because they just set this museum up

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Speaker 1: their house, right, it wasn't a commercial right, um, So

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Speaker 1: eventually they did have to shut it down. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: don't know where the Annabelle Doll is today though exactly

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Speaker 1: did they keep it shut? She the reason all this

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Speaker 1: is going on. I did read an interview with Fear

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Speaker 1: of Farming Go where she said they went to the

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Speaker 1: Lorraine's house to meet them before the movie got started,

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Speaker 1: or to meet Lorraine before the movie got started, and

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Speaker 1: she said Patrick Wilson went down into their basement where

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Speaker 1: their museum is. But I wouldn't do it, she said,

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Speaker 1: I've heard too many stories. I wouldn't go down there. Hell, no, sir,

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Speaker 1: I need to see that doll. Wilson see anything. I

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Speaker 1: guess he never said. He didn't say he never tell

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Speaker 1: anyone when you start down here, Patrick Wilson, he's like, uh,

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Speaker 1: and Patrick Wilson and Vera Farming At least in Hollywood

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Speaker 1: Reporter it says they have never commented on any of

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Speaker 1: this stuff. So that's probably for the best. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're really nothing to say until you know it's really

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Speaker 1: he said. He said, I would argue that the producers

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Speaker 1: probably never informed them of any of this. That was

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Speaker 1: another I was about to say. Also, they might not

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Speaker 1: have even known. Why would they be told? And again,

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Speaker 1: as like the what's his name? The producer was like,

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Speaker 1: do you think they will play the Warrens if they're

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00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: now you know how shitty they are? So I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they were like, well, we can't tell the stars that

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Speaker 1: there's even a you know, a whiff of scandal, right exactly, So,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Wilson, Vera Farmiga, if you're listening, this is the

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Speaker 1: true story. Your characters. We look forward to you coming

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Speaker 1: on the show and talking to us about it. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, that was very creepy, super creepy. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's all creepy. I mean each of these like their

879
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: respective experiences growing up. If any of that's true, super creepy.

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Speaker 1: Look at the parents, I mean they those girls are

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Speaker 1: still around and they swear up and down this happened.

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Speaker 1: You know why we lie about it. They didn't make

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00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: no money off it. They spent ten years being tormented,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know spooky things, book things, indeed, who

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Speaker 1: I would love to hear y'all's thoughts about it, honestly,

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00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: about these stories, about the movies, about any sort of

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00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: hauntings you've experienced. Uh, we'll tell these stories on the

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Speaker 1: airs to send them our way. Yeah, what's up? Are

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Speaker 1: you cold again? Oh my god? Thank you for contributing

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Speaker 1: your souls to this episode. Tonal promise you will not

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