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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 2: your weekly podcast that once every now and then is

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Speaker 2: rerun episode like today, I took a week off so

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Speaker 2: at my request, and so I'm running a rerun. But

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Speaker 2: it's a very special week because it's Mayday week, my

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Speaker 2: favorite holiday besides the other holidays that I really like,

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Speaker 2: which I also talk about a lot on this show,

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Speaker 2: but this one is May Day. Well, not today as

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Speaker 2: this is released, but this week as it's released, the

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Speaker 2: international workers holiday that comes from a really cool background,

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Speaker 2: a little bit tragic. They do call it the Haymarket tragedy,

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Speaker 2: but if you've listened to the show before, you know

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Speaker 2: that I'm not afraid of thinking tragedy is cool. That

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Speaker 2: sounds weird, But this is the first ever episode that

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Speaker 2: I ever recorded of this show that we're rerunning, and

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Speaker 2: it's about May Day. Here you go, Hello and welcome

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Speaker 2: to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, which is a

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Speaker 2: podcast about cool stuff that people did stuff cool. I

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Speaker 2: suppose this is the very first episode, which means I

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Speaker 2: should probably tell you what the show is. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: there's bad stuff, right and fighting against bad stuff is cool.

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Speaker 2: Cool people fight against bad stuff, so you should be cool.

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Speaker 2: You should fight against bad stuff. And every week on

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Speaker 2: this podcast, I bring you a new story about cool

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Speaker 2: people who did cool stuff like fight against bad stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and with me today our

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Speaker 2: first guest is Robert Evans.

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Speaker 3: That's right. I am the opposite of you, and my

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Speaker 3: podcast is the opposite of yours. And if we were

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Speaker 3: to ever make physical contact, it would create a nuclear

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Speaker 3: explosion that would destroy all life in the universe.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Yes, So okay, So I'm looking at your

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Speaker 2: your bio and it says that you're a podcaster, a

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Speaker 2: war correspondent, a novelist, and you're the proud owner of

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Speaker 2: the world's largest collection of please bleep this out.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I used to belong to Jay Leno, but

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Speaker 3: I bested him in a fight to the death, and

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Speaker 3: now an impostor lives his life and I have taken

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Speaker 3: over that collection. So really really been a good year

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Speaker 3: for me?

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Speaker 2: Allegedly, sure, allegedly a good year. And that voice that

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Speaker 2: you'll hear from time to time, disembodied in commanding is Sophie,

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Speaker 2: our producer. Hello. Okay, so today I'm feeling the spirit

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Speaker 2: for a holiday that has not happened by the time

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Speaker 2: you listen to this, which is May Day, the workers

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Speaker 2: Rights Day everywhere in the world except the US. Today,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about where that comes from deciding

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Speaker 2: to start the whole podcast series off with a bang,

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Speaker 2: which is the best pun I will ever use on

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Speaker 2: the show, and hopefully the last pun I ever use

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Speaker 2: on the show. We're going to talk about the bomb

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Speaker 2: that brought us the modern labor movement. Robert, are you

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Speaker 2: familiar with the Haymarket riot, affair, massacre, or tragedy, depending

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, a bunch of like anarchists and other people

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Speaker 3: who didn't want there to be an eight hour or

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Speaker 3: an eight hour workday, right that's the gist.

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Speaker 2: That is the rough strokes.

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Speaker 2: mostly cool people and the like cool with caveat people

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Speaker 2: who were busy fighting against capitalism and for immigrants, and

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Speaker 2: But it's also a story about a huge immigrant subculture

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Speaker 3: Well, that all just sounds cool.

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Speaker 2: I want to start this with a story from folk

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Speaker 2: singer Utah Phillips. It's about one of the stars of

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Speaker 2: this week's episode, Lucy Parsons. One time she was speaking

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the nineteen thirties, during the depression.

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Speaker 2: She was incredibly old. She was led carefully up to

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Speaker 2: He met his aunt calmly after a life lived trying

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Speaker 2: They were cool people. I'll stop saying cool every single time.

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Speaker 1: They're cool people who did cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: They did actually mostly mostly cool stuff. Cool. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 2: she was born Lucy Ella Gonzalez Waller, or maybe Lucy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she gets to be powerful after that. But you

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Speaker 2: can probably guess what happens in fifteen years to Albert

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Speaker 3: But you know, a nice people got married hooray.

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Speaker 3: From a long line of people who wanted to function

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Speaker 2: be a running theme for all of these people, very

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Speaker 3: Older than I have a running theme for that century too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that impression a lot of these people,

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Speaker 3: Ancient dogged I mean, if you're a parent and your

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Speaker 2: So when they moved to Illinois, their marriage is not

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Speaker 2: In eighteen seventy four, and Texas didn't repeal their laws

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Speaker 2: Well, do you want to guess what year Alabama finally,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Yeah, totally okay. So in Chicago they

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Speaker 3: Well, is something that hasn't been born out by history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Basically, since all of the trains coming from the

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Speaker 2: Have you heard of this political party that was rolling

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Yeah, they got their name. It took to

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Speaker 3: but like that's a neat like if you were writing

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Speaker 3: a fictional secret society, that would be like fun that

440
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Speaker 3: people would enjoy that.

441
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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, But it also becomes a fitting name for

442
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: them because I mean I don't think that they're very

443
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Speaker 2: that they've made intelligent choices with their life. They're anti immigrant.

444
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: They specifically hate the Catholics and the Irish, okay, and

445
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: they're nativists, which was a big thing back then, which

446
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: basically means they like white Americans who were born in

447
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Speaker 2: America and basically nobody else and they also hated drinking,

448
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Speaker 2: and well.

449
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Speaker 3: These guys are not winning me over so far. No,

450
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Speaker 3: I'm going to be honest with you.

451
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Speaker 2: So they came for the Irish and the German immigrants.

452
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Speaker 2: They worked six days a week, like fourteen twelve to

453
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Speaker 2: fourteen hour days, and then on Sunday is their only

454
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Speaker 2: day off. So they all go to the bar and

455
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Speaker 2: drink and hang out. And so what they do is

456
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Speaker 2: they say, oh, you're not allowed to sell alcohol on Sundays,

457
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Speaker 2: and it's just specifically to piss these people off. I'm

458
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Speaker 2: sure they clouded it and like it's the Holy Day

459
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Speaker 2: and this and that. Yeah, but it was entirely just

460
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Speaker 2: because they hated the immigrants. And so there was this

461
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Speaker 2: massive civil disobedience where two hundred people got arrested for

462
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Speaker 2: alcohol sales.

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, Okay, sure.

464
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh and they're like because I mean, they're

465
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Speaker 2: you know, like the fuck this, I'm going to keep

466
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Speaker 2: drinking anyway. And so then on the day of the trial,

467
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Speaker 2: thousands of Germans marched downtown and they have like fife

468
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Speaker 2: and drum and shit, and the cops freak out. And

469
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Speaker 2: at the time in Chicago, the river had swing bridges

470
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Speaker 2: instead of lift bridges, so the bridges would like swing

471
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Speaker 2: open like a door kind of, And so the cops

472
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Speaker 2: swung them open while everyone was still on them and

473
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Speaker 2: then just opened fire into the crowd.

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

475
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Speaker 2: Only one person ended up killed, who apparently.

476
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Speaker 3: For the shitty guns of that time, I.

477
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Speaker 2: Know, and he shot back. The guy who got killed,

478
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Speaker 2: he injured a cop.

479
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Speaker 3: Well, that's good for him.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And they had like loaded cannons and stuff ready

481
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Speaker 2: for all of this. And part of the reason I

482
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Speaker 2: bring this up is because it's like, this is something

483
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Speaker 2: that I feel like people need to understand when we're

484
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: talking about nineteenth century movements, is that like, like the

485
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Speaker 2: cops are just totally ready to open fire on huge

486
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Speaker 2: crowds of people.

487
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Speaker 3: Yeah, open fire with like artillery.

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when we.

489
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Speaker 3: Say cannons, what they're what they're preparing is a big

490
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Speaker 3: metal tube that they fill with shrapnel and gunpowder. It's

491
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Speaker 3: called grape shot. They're making like a giant shotgun the

492
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Speaker 3: size of a car and readying to fire that into

493
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Speaker 3: a crowd of human beings.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

495
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Speaker 3: That's that's crowd control.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's that's the that's the opening salvo

497
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Speaker 2: in all of this, and then in eighteen seventy one,

498
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Speaker 2: the entire city of Chicago burns down.

499
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Speaker 3: Well that was that was really nobody's fault, like right,

500
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Speaker 3: every like that is one of those things back in

501
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 3: the days, Chicago just burned down. Sometimes you know, nothing

502
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 3: anyone can do about it. You just every now and

503
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Speaker 3: then you're going to lose a Chicago or two.

504
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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and this just sends everything into recession the

505
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Speaker 2: or actually not sends everything into a recession. They're starting

506
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Speaker 2: to rebuild, and then there's a great depression that was

507
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Speaker 2: called the Great Depression until we got another one in

508
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Speaker 2: the twentieth century. And basically when I do a.

509
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Speaker 3: Thing sometime about like that's that style of thing where

510
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Speaker 3: like there's this moment in history that's super well known today,

511
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Speaker 3: but there was another very similar moment that went by

512
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: the same name until the bigger thing happened. Because the

513
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Speaker 3: same time, I'm reading about the potato famine in Ireland

514
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 3: right now, and there was a famine that killed like

515
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Speaker 3: nearly a million people that was like a generation or

516
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Speaker 3: so before it that they called the Great Famine. But

517
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Speaker 3: then there wasn't even bigger famine, and so nobody remembers

518
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Speaker 3: the first famine.

519
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and which is why, Sophie, if it's

520
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: all right, I'd really like us to be sponsored by potatoes.

521
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely.

522
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Speaker 1: I mean that would be our preferred sponsor forever.

523
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Speaker 3: But we have a lot of unfortunate ads from the

524
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Speaker 3: potato blight, which we are working to stop. But yeah,

525
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Speaker 3: it is. It is really hard to get them removed,

526
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Speaker 3: probably due to their financial partnership with the Washington State

527
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Speaker 3: Highway Patrol.

528
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Speaker 2: I'm definitely pro potato. And here's some ads. So in

529
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Speaker 2: the middle of the worst depression in US history, while

530
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Speaker 2: Chicago has just burned down, that's when Lucy and Albert

531
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: decided to move to Chicago. And right, normally that would

532
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: sound like a bad deal, but they were coming from

533
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Speaker 2: the place where everyone was trying to murder them.

534
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Speaker 3: So also, I feel like Rint's pretty cheap when the

535
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Speaker 3: whole city just burned down.

536
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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of buildings though.

537
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you could probably camp pretty cheap. Yeah,

538
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 3: that's true, low cost of living.

539
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they moved there. Albert finds work as

540
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: a type setter, and it's pretty quickly they start calling

541
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Speaker 2: themselves socialists.

542
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: That's nice.

543
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: Of them, and words like socialism and anarchism get thrown

544
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Speaker 2: around an awful lot, including in this particular episode. So

545
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Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna like really quickly try and say what

546
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: I mean by those things, because everyone's going to use

547
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: those words really differently. Yes, socialism in this case is

548
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 2: like the it's the broader social movement towards workers or

549
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: society at large owning the means of production, which is

550
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: to say, rather than having a business owner who owns

551
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: a factory and hiring the workers, the workers themselves or

552
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: society would own the factory. And it basically the difference

553
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Speaker 2: between the value produced by the worker and the amount

554
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: that the owner sells the product for is the owner's profit.

555
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: And so basically they're saying, this is theft.

556
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Speaker 3: This is like the sort of marketers stealing it from

557
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 3: the people doing the thing. It's this. There's this very

558
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: frustrating discourse around anarchism that hit on Twitter a week

559
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: or two ago, where people are like, well, how would

560
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: you have in an ericist society, how would you handle

561
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: you know, the widespread production of food or the manufacturing

562
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: of goods, Like you can't do that with like just

563
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: like you and your friends hanging out in an affinity group,

564
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, actually, anarchists have been talking about

565
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: this for like one hundred and seventy years and a

566
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: number of different and those solutions have been acted on

567
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: in places like revolutionary Spain and whatnot, and parts of Korea,

568
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: and in some cases have have seen substantial successes. For

569
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Speaker 3: periods of time, this has all been discussed.

570
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just about who owns the means of production

571
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: and like how decisions are made.

572
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: It's not saying we don't have factories. It's saying, like,

573
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Speaker 3: perhaps we don't need the factories to be owned by giant,

574
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Speaker 3: multinational conglomerates that are able to, for example, build waste

575
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: disposal plants that pump poison into the Gulf of Mexico,

576
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: and because they lobby the politicians in that area, the

577
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: people who actually live there aren't able to complain in

578
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: any meaningful way, and several of them get exploded because

579
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: the natural gas pipelines run by that company underneath the

580
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: area lea coals, which since explosive gas up into trailer parks.

581
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Speaker 3: Perhaps we don't need that, and we could still have

582
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Speaker 3: ways of distributing fuel.

583
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Speaker 2: I don't know that sounds crazy. You probably distribute fuel.

584
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: To get out of here with my radical politics.

585
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: Yea, and so so socialists in this case is like

586
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: the broader word for what is, what the goal is,

587
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: and how people are trying to actually create that is

588
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: kind of unrelated. So anarchism, which will come up more

589
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: soon as our characters become more and more anarchists, is

590
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Speaker 2: the idea that we can have a society without state

591
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: or capitalism, without course of hierarchies. And lots of different

592
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: people conceive of this in very different ways, but in general,

593
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Speaker 2: the people that we're talking about today, like myself, want

594
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Speaker 2: a socialist society that is also anarchist.

595
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Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean a lot of these people would

596
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: say they were like working towards communism, which meant a

597
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: different thing. Like now you get a lot of fights

598
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 3: between anarchists and communists because communism has become so like

599
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: tight in with the ideas of state communism that we

600
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: saw with the USSR right. But like back in this day,

601
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: a lot of these people would have been happy to

602
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: just call themselves communists totally.

603
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: And like all these people like go to their grave

604
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: being like I died for socialism, and then they're like yeah,

605
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: but they're not like and so unfortunately so so now

606
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: sometime whatever, people get into arguments about who does and

607
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: doesn't count for this and that. But that seems like

608
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: a decent starting place for where these people are at.

609
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: And then in eighteen seventy seven there's this big fuck

610
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: off railway strike, which at some point I'd love to

611
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: do an episode all about, because it covers the entire country.

612
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: And by the entire country, I mean the entire country

613
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: at the time where people actually or whatever. It covers

614
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: like the mid Atlantic, in the Midwest and all those things.

615
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: It starts in West Virginia and Maryland when workers got

616
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: their third pay cut in a year and we're like

617
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: fuck this, and they went on strike. It spread across

618
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Speaker 2: most of the country. Railways shut down everywhere, people were

619
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Speaker 2: riding everywhere. And in Chicago people went hard as fuck,

620
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Speaker 2: and they had all these banners like life by work

621
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Speaker 2: or death by fight. One speaker said, better a thousand

622
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Speaker 2: of us shot dead in the streets than ten thousand

623
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Speaker 2: dead of starvation, because I mean people were starving, right.

624
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Speaker 2: This isn't like just a you know, miners, they.

625
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: Don't just like want to be able to afford a

626
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: new Xbox, like they're trying to like not die. Yeah,

627
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: because people don't serve nice things too. But the situation

628
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: was a lot was quite dire, Yeah, totally.

629
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Speaker 2: And so in Chicago, the shot dead in the streets

630
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: thing was a little bit prescient. Actually it wasn't a

631
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: lot of cities because after three days of striking, the

632
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: police and the military as well as hundreds of deputized

633
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: civilians of the middle and upper classes attacked and shot

634
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: into the crowd, and in the end they killed thirty

635
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: workers and like ten cops were injured. Jesus, and like

636
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: everywhere else in the country, the work.

637
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: Or not to the ten cops injured, that seems like

638
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: not quite enough.

639
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, yeah, well we'll stick with me.

640
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: Good. Well, no, because I know where the story goes broad,

641
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: so I guess it's not really good either way. Yeah,

642
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: that is the thing, Like, it's hard not to cheer

643
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: on retribute a violence when like terrible things are being

644
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: done by people in violence is visited upon the people

645
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: doing the terrible things, but it generally doesn't resolve itself neatly.

646
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: Right, That is absolutely that is absolutely true. And so

647
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: the media attacked the strikers as well, and they basically,

648
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: of course, they called for their extermination, like they use

649
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: the word extermination. This is ten years before Lucy Parsons

650
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: used that, like we should exterminate the rich. And I

651
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: feel like that that cause and effect matters, you know, Yeah, and.

652
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

653
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: Basically, people are trying everything they could think of to

654
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: get better conditions, and they were basically just told you

655
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: should all be killed. And during all.

656
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: Of this that's also important because yeah, she didn't just

657
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: like start at like, well, the only solution is violence.

658
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: A bunch of powerful people and influential people were like,

659
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: the only solution is violence against you, and she was like, okay, yeah, exactly, exactly,

660
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: all right then.

661
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even during all of this until this, basically

662
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: Albert and Lucy are both like pretty moderate in their socialism.

663
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: Like Albert gave some speeches that's this whole thing at

664
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: this point, but he's like advocate restraint and that people

665
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: should avoid sabotage and that everyone should go vote in

666
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: the upcoming elections to make everything better. Yeah, and his

667
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: moderate position got him fired from the Chicago Times where

668
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: he worked, and so suddenly he was completely without a.

669
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: Job because and I'm guessing because the Chicago Times thought

670
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: he was too extreme, yes, yes, or were they are

671
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: too extreme? Yeah yeah yeah.

672
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: And at this point Lucy opens up a dress shop. Sure, yeah,

673
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: he gets canceled, and so Lucy Parsons opens up a

674
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: dress shop and is supporting her husband and her two

675
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: kids at the point, and this kind of rerex socialism

676
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: in Chicago and the like, especially like party socialism, the

677
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 2: kind of like let's all go vote socialism. They actually

678
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 2: tried to go more and more moderate, not Lucy and Albert,

679
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: but like the larger socialist parties, they tried to go

680
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: more and more moderate to bring in new members. But

681
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 2: it had literally the opposite effect, and everyone became more

682
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 2: and more radical cool, And in eighteen eighty three they

683
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: all joined new anarchist organization called the IWPA, the International

684
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: Working People's Association, which is a dead boring name, yes,

685
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: vile name. It at least is the Working People's Association

686
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: instead of the Workingmen's Association, which I feel like is said.

687
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: That is that is, it's actually pretty based.

688
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: It was somewhere between a federation and a loose network.

689
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: There was no party, there was no membership organization, different

690
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: collectives or which were called clusters joined just by endorsing

691
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: a manifesto that some of them had written in Pittsburgh

692
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: called can you guess the really original name of the

693
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: manifesto that they wrote in Pittsburgh.

694
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: Working People Association Manifesto?

695
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: Close? It was the Pittsburgh Manifesto.

696
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, to day at Pittsburgh manifesto would be

697
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: all about I don't know, what's it Pittsburgh sandwiches with

698
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: a lot of meat in them.

699
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: Well, that's the seventh point that they considered in the

700
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: six point manifesto that they settled on. I think it's

701
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: because some people from out of town were there.

702
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: More roast beef, whitter roast beef, that's right, Pittsburgh.

703
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: Now, I'm just actually wondering how many of these people

704
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 2: back then were actually vegetarian, because there's this whole weird

705
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: overlap between the left and vegetarianism that goes back hundreds

706
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: of years. But we'll talk about that some other time.

707
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: Yep. Oh, yes, okay.

708
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: So the six points of this of their program that

709
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: you had to agree to in order to join. First,

710
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: destruction of the existing class rule by all means, i e.

711
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: By energetic, relentless revolutionary and international.

712
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 3: Action on That sounds good.

713
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: Second, establishment of a free society based on cooperative organization

714
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 2: of production.

715
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be nice.

716
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: Third, free exchange of equivalent products buy and between productive

717
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: organizations without commerce and profit mongery.

718
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: Sure.

719
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: Fourth organization of education on a secular, scientific and equal

720
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: basis for both sexes.

721
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: Also sounds fine. Like the both sexes part. These folks

722
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: are really really really hitting hard on that on that part, yep.

723
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: Fifth equal rights for all without distinction to sex or race.

724
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: Dope, very good.

725
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: Sixth regulation of all public affairs by free contacts between autonomous,

726
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: independent communes and associations resting on a federalistic basis.

727
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: That sounds pretty nice. It would be good to have that.

728
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I look at this and I'm like, Okay,

729
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: that's good.

730
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I don't particularly disagree with anything there. Yeah,

731
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: I might have some additional questions about how to handle

732
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: the exchange of goods without commerce thing, because that's a

733
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 3: complicated matter.

734
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: But I know, I feel like they've meant something pretty

735
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: specific there that I just don't know what is.

736
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a number of ways you could

737
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: try to do that. You know, there's like you get

738
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: your mutualists and your whatnots. But I don't know. I'm

739
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 3: not an economy expert, but broadly speaking, I don't disagree

740
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: with any of that. That all seems like good stuff

741
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: to just strive for in a society.

742
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they grew really rapidly, especially in Chicago, but

743
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: all over the country, and as the Socialist Party and

744
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: especially the sort of more moderate socialists kind of diminished.

745
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: Basically everyone's like, oh, no, this sounds good.

746
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: It's hard to be moderate when they've just shot thirty

747
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: of you in the street. Yeah, yeah, that makes me

748
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: not very moderate. The American branch, because this actually was

749
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: an international organization, the American branch was mostly European immigrants.

750
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: Their newspapers were like five of the seven newspapers or

751
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: something or I don't know, some number. A lot of

752
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 3: them were in German, but then there were other ones,

753
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: other newspapers in Czech, English and Norwegian. And they took

754
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 3: their inclusive policies really seriously. At one point, a socialist

755
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: organization wanted to merge with them, but the anarchists were like,

756
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: you all exclude Chinese folks from your organization, and so

757
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: they refused, and in one of the papers, the IWPA

758
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: said the IWPA would never feel that its ranks were

759
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: complete if it excluded working people of any nationality whatsoever.

760
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 3: And they went on to say that the socialist organization

761
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: was basically serving as tools of the CAPS by letting

762
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 3: racism divide the working class. They kind of ruled, Oh,

763
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 3: I like that.

764
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: And all of the different clusters had total autonomy. The

765
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: Chicago cluster was really excited about building a mass movement

766
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: through union organizing. Some of the other clusters were more

767
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: into like autonomous and individual action. In Chicago, each meeting

768
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: elected a chairman to facilitate and they rotated it. The

769
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: recording secretary and treasurer rotated. But they were a subculture also, right,

770
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: and that doesn't get talked about enough. I really like subcultures.

771
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: That's why I'm always pointing out when this thing's happened

772
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: in history. But they hung out in the Chicago beer halls,

773
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: and that's basically where they did all of their propagandizing.

774
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: And to talk about their subculture, I'm going to quote

775
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: the historian Paul Averich in his book The Haymarket Tragedy.

776
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: Beyond their publishing ventures, the anarchists engaged in a broad

777
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: range of cultural and social activities which enhanced their feelings

778
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: of solidarity and greatly enriched their lives. In a relatively

779
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 2: short period. They created a network of orchestras, choirs, theatrical groups,

780
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: debating clubs, literary societies, and gymnastic and shooting clubs, involving

781
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: thousands of participants. They organized lectures, concerts, picnics, dances, plays

782
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 2: and recitations in which children as well as adults took part.

783
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: Saloons and beer gardens became bustling centers of radical life.

784
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: The International moreover engaged in mutual aid services, providing assistance

785
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: to members and their families in times of need. Bad ass,

786
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: I know, And like, the thing that I really like

787
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: about it is that it's like these were all really

788
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: poor people who were like working six days weeks, twelve

789
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: hour days, and they managed to have fulfilling, rich cultural lives.

790
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: They had masquerade balls and shit. They had shooting contests,

791
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: and some of the plays were written by participants. They

792
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: wrote like new words to popular songs, and they basically

793
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: were like completely punk and I really like them.

794
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: Ah. Yeah, they were doing some remix art.

795
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

796
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean everything you've described sounds so like high end

797
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: and expensive for lack of a better word. Yeah, so

798
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: it just makes it even cooler. Yeah.

799
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: And they just did it by actually all just doing

800
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: it together collecting.

801
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, teamwork makes the dream work.

802
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they would have these They would have huge

803
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 2: celebrations of the Paris Commune every year on the anniversary

804
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: of the Paris Commune, which was basically when the city

805
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: of Paris like stole itself back from its government for

806
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: a while, and then they had protests, and the protests

807
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: were even more popular than everything else, and they regularly

808
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: drew thousands of workers to march through the streets, and

809
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 2: their banners were things like millions labor for the benefit

810
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: of the few, we want to labor for ourselves. They

811
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: would have multiple brass bands, They had fucking floats, They

812
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: had carriages drawn by mules with like allegorical displays like

813
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: Uncle Sam driving around like a policeman because he serves

814
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: the policemen. And the speakers like kept hitting the same

815
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: points about including equal participate patient by women in the

816
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: labor movement. And their newspapers were not just they were

817
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: like there was like muck raking about, like this is

818
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: what the cops are doing. That's bad and stuff. But

819
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: they also included like philosophy and translations of literature from

820
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: other languages, and there was like fiction and poetry. And

821
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: again it's this idea that these like like some of

822
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: the people writing this poetry, which I'm sure some of

823
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: it was terrible, but whatever was like written by workers

824
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: who had never considered literary things before. And so it just,

825
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, a whole other way to raise people

826
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: out of poverty, it seems like. And you'll be shocked

827
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: to know their hatred of government and capitalism was completely mutual.

828
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: The media spent a lot of time villainizing them, and

829
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: in particular the same as the anarchists focused on the

830
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: Paris Commune, so did the media. Basically it was like, oh,

831
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: you'll like this. They were like, don't let it happen here,

832
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: because God forbid people self organize and rule themselves. If

833
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: they did, we'd have total anarchy.

834
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: Oh no, oh no, yeah, I mean it makes sense

835
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: like that. They of course they're scared of that.

836
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, they're not scared.

837
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: Of products and services. No, of course not.

838
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: Mainstream society was not scared of goods and services, including

839
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: the ones that support this podcast. Here's the ads. Okay,

840
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 2: we're back, and we are all excited to talk about

841
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 2: people with a bunch of guns and cool outfits. We're

842
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: going to talk about the people whose name I don't

843
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: know how to pronounce because I cannot speak German, and

844
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: every time I try to learn it goes in one

845
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: part of my brain and out with the other.

846
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 3: I speak fluent German. I'll figure it.

847
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: Out, Okay. Leir and vera Varian, Yeah, yeah, you got

848
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: it right. Okay. The Leir and vere Varin were a

849
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: group that we kind of can't leave out because the

850
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: labor organizers were organizing themselves into armed formations ready for

851
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: community defense revolution, both defensive and offensive action, and at

852
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: least two of the labor unions, the metal workers and

853
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: the carpenters, had armed sections that met regularly for drill

854
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: and instructions in armed conflict, and the American group of

855
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: the IWPA had a similar auxiliary, but none of them

856
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: could compete in numbers or sheer coolness with the learan

857
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: vere Verin, which was the Education and Defense Association. Because

858
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: these are very literal namers here, especially the Germans, it

859
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: was a leftist militia movement in response to the right

860
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: wing militias that have been forming and in response to

861
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: all the strikers getting murdered. And this is how we

862
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: get the first real challenges to the at least some

863
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: of the first challenges the Second Amendment and gun control

864
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: in the United.

865
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: States that that inspires people to want gun control.

866
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the state freaked out and banned all the non

867
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 2: official militias and the open carry of rifles learon Vere

868
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: fought it to the Supreme Court and they lost, basically

869
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: paving the way for states rights to restrict firearms ownership

870
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: and militia formation.

871
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: But that's an exciting piece of history, I know, no comment.

872
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: And so they would march in anarchist parades and different

873
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: historians will describe their outfits differently, but all of them

874
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: sound really good. And I'm going to pick the blue

875
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: blouses and black pants and cult revolvers when the laws

876
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't allow rifles and they would like march information alongside

877
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: the parades. There's four companies of them. They had somewhere

878
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: between four hundred and three thousand members because didn't keep

879
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: really good membership records for very good reasons. Yeah, and

880
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: they drilled weekly and then monthly. All of the companies

881
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: came together and drilled, and then also when they had

882
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: the anarchist picnics, they'd have these like mock battle where

883
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: they'd run around in practice fighting at the picnics.

884
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: It just sounds that seems like the thing people ought

885
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 3: to be doing.

886
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And basically this is like they raised a ton

887
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: of money from people who had no money in order

888
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: to buy guns for everyone. One six month period and

889
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: anarchist quartermaster raised two hundred and fifty five dollars for

890
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: new weapons, which is thirty seven thousand dollars today.

891
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: I mean that probably went further than thirty seven thousand

892
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 3: dollars for new weapons would go today.

893
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: I assume, but I don't know. I mean, they probably

894
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: all weren't trying to get the like two thousand dollars ars.

895
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: You know, this is a real palmetto sure crash.

896
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: Sure, that's still like eighty weapons.

897
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was you know, probably three thousand of them. Okay, Okay,

898
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: I see where I seehere. You're going with this.

899
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just assuming it went further than

900
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: it would today, because again that's about like eighty ninety guns.

901
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 3: You know, more if you're doing some of your own

902
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: milling and shit like.

903
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were all a bunch of cattle workers.

904
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: So yeah.

905
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically there were community defense organizations and they perceived

906
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: the revolution as completely inevitable also, and they wanted to

907
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: be ready. They they thought capitalism was about to collapse

908
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: under its own weight. How could it not with all

909
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: the stuff they were seeing they were in. I mean,

910
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 2: after all, they like everybody thinks that and it's never right. Well,

911
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: but hear me out. They were in a major depression

912
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: about ten years after another major depression. I so, but yeah,

913
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 2: capitalism didn't collapse this time that time, but it will

914
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: just now, I probably won't collapse this time either.

915
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's it's it's pretty it's pretty durable. It can

916
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: take the punches. Look, you got to give capitalism credits.

917
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: It's a prize fighter. I can take the hits.

918
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: It rithes away, you know, it could take the hit.

919
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: But it's especially good at like dodging, you know.

920
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just like blobs around your fist. Yeah, and

921
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: then raises your rent thirteen times in seventeen months.

922
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, exactly, Okay, which brings us quite naturally to

923
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: the fight for the eight hour workday, which is you know,

924
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: promised at the top of the hour. The fight for

925
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: the eight hour workday is what all this is about.

926
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: But it's also not what all this is about. But

927
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 2: it was this thing that was happening at the time,

928
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: and it was come into a head around this time. Basically,

929
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: people didn't like working from sun up to sundown or

930
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: sometimes fourteen hour days regardless of whether or not the

931
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: sun was up.

932
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: And really, but that's ten whole hours for them to,

933
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: you know, have families in sleep. I know, I feel

934
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: like that's just greedy, I think.

935
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: So they're pretty much stealing from the bosses.

936
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we don't give our workers that much

937
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: free time.

938
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't spend I didn't. I wasn't up till

939
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: three in the morning last night working on this. I

940
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about. Okay, So in city

941
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: after city and trade after trade, basically all of these

942
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: people started fighting for Originally, they weren't even fighting for

943
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: the eight hour work day, or they were fighting for

944
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: the like ten hour work day, you know, or even

945
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: just please not fourteen hours or whatever. Yeah, what if

946
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: we had two days for the weekend, and so they

947
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 2: had a whole bunch of strikes all throughout the nineteenth century,

948
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: and some of them were one, some of them are lost.

949
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: It went on like that for over a hundred years.

950
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: Every few years, some trade in another city would or

951
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: other country would win the ten hour day or the

952
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: eight hour day, but sometimes they would win in legislation

953
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: and it wouldn't do anything. So Chicago actually won the

954
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: eight hour workday in the eighteen sixties, but they didn't.

955
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: They won it in legislation, but it was so full

956
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: of loopholes that it was never enforced, and so kind

957
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: of ironically or maybe fittingly, a ton of the strikers

958
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: and socialists and even some of the anarchists were on

959
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: some level just actually fighting for the law to be

960
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: applied evenly across classes, which obviously they won because that

961
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: happens now. The law is definitely applied evenly across classes.

962
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: I think. I hope it's not spoiler. It's not okay.

963
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: So in eighteen eighty four, members of the labor movement

964
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: from across the country met in Chicago, which was kind

965
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 2: of the center of a lot of the labor movement stuff,

966
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: and they declared two years later May first, eighteen eighty six,

967
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: they were going to enforce the eight hour day through

968
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: strikes and walkouts just nationwide, all industries, which I feel

969
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: like it's like worth noting that they gave themselves two

970
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: years in order to plan a general strike.

971
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: Yep, that's probably worth noting. The statement of like a

972
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: really single, singular, specific goal. I also really like the

973
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 3: idea of like this is a thing we've decided we're getting,

974
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: and then we're going to enforce the fact that we're

975
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: getting that using that kind of language that the state uses,

976
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 3: and thus that like people are very familiar with as

977
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: opposed to kind of the we're agitating for change or

978
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 3: we're trying to like bring electoral change. No, no, no,

979
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: we are in the same way that the state enforces things,

980
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: you know, through its police, we are enforcing that we

981
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 3: get this eight hour workday through our action. We're organizing

982
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: to do that. I think that's a really smart way

983
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: of like framing it.

984
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they weren't fucking around. Even like the moderates

985
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: and the you know, the less radical among the labor

986
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 2: movement still knew what was at stake. At the beginning.

987
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: The Chicago anarchists were opposed to the eight hour struggle,

988
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 2: not because they were opposed of better conditions for workers.

989
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: But they were basically, yeah, baby steps, what's a baby step?

990
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: We need to all seize control of the workplaces in

991
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 2: our cities and have a revolution.

992
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: It's that old. I mean, it wasn't an old argument

993
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: then that it is now We still have that like

994
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 3: why would you? Yeah, anyway, we don't need to get

995
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: into that.

996
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, although I will say.

997
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 3: It is an argument that people have not ever resolved though. Yeah.

998
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: But actually I find it interesting the way they came

999
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: around to it, which is, on some level they realized

1000
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: which way the wind was blowing, and maybe that was

1001
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: cynical and they were like, Okay, well we better join

1002
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: up with everyone else. But I kind of think that,

1003
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: like maybe they took some of their own lessons to heart,

1004
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: because they don't want to tell other people what to do,

1005
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 2: and they don't want to have like a revolutionary vanguard

1006
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: that tells everyone what they should want. And what people

1007
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: wanted was to fight for the eight hour workday, and

1008
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: so instead, by eighteen eighty six, the Chicago anarchists were

1009
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: all in, and they were really really good organized and

1010
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: propagandas and soon Chicago is the center of all this

1011
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 2: struggle and there's a quote from another anarchist and Italian

1012
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: anarchist Malatesta. He wrote in an essay called reformism that

1013
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 2: I feel like applies here, which is, we will take

1014
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: or win all possible reforms with the same spirit that

1015
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: one tears occupied territory from the enemy's grasp in order

1016
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: to keep on advancing. That's how I've always seen reformism personally, honestly,

1017
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: is like, well, of course we should get that. It's

1018
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: a good thing, we should get it.

1019
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 3: I feel fine about this so far.

1020
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, so then they strike and they win,

1021
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 2: and everything has been happily ever after, and slowly we've

1022
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: all adopted the six point platform and we live in

1023
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 2: utopian society which has no inner conflict.

1024
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it happened. Huh oh yeah, I was

1025
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: wondering why things were still perfect.

1026
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, So but during this build up, okay,

1027
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: it's important to note the anarchists weren't alone and thinking

1028
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: there was about to be a revolution. General Sherman of

1029
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: the US Army wrote, there will soon come in armed

1030
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 2: contests between capital and labor. They will oppose each other,

1031
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: not with words and arguments and ballots, but with shot

1032
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 2: and shell gunpowder and cannon. The better classes are tired

1033
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: of the insane howlings of the lower strata, and they

1034
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: mean to stop them.

1035
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: Oh, buddy, Sherman, Sherman, Sherman Sherman. Uh, problematic faith, not

1036
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: even really a faith. I mean he was actually critical

1037
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: to the invention of concentration camp as a concept because

1038
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 3: of the things that he did to Indigenous Americans. It's

1039
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 3: like it's like you've got this artist who releases a

1040
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 3: great album and then it turns out they were like

1041
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: doing some sort of horrible crimes too, and it's like, ah,

1042
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: I really liked it when you were burning large jokes

1043
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: of the Confederacy, but I can't back the rest of

1044
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: your career.

1045
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1046
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 3: It's like with William Henry Harrison, totally supportive of his presidency,

1047
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 3: the only really perfect presidency anyone's now. The stuff he

1048
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: did before that I won't defend. But as while he

1049
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: was president flawless.

1050
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: I do not know enough to comment. Unfortunately, Oh he

1051
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: died thirty days in doing Ah, that was him. Okay,

1052
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: he's the one who died to me. Yeah, he didn't

1053
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: get a chance to do anything bad. Yeah, great president. Yeah,

1054
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: no notes. Okay, So during this build up towards eighteen

1055
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: eighty six, Basically all of America is like, this is

1056
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: also completely unfamiliar to the modern audience. All of America

1057
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: is like, are we about to have another civil war? Like?

1058
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: What's about to happen?

1059
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: That is one of the things that comforts me sometimes

1060
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: is that we've been asked, We've asked that question pretty regularly,

1061
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: and we've only occasionally had civil wars.

1062
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Both the press and the clergy are

1063
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 2: basically working really hard to smear anarchists and spread fear.

1064
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: They were all painted as aliens and mad men and

1065
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: they're trying to destroy America's prosperity and freedom, and it

1066
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 2: kind of worked, and public opinion started turning against them

1067
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: as the incarnation of evil. And then the anarchists, for

1068
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: their part, started saying the same thing back about capitalists

1069
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: and cops, calling capitalist leeches and cops bloodhounds, which was

1070
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 2: basically like calling them pigs. And so both both sides

1071
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: are working to the yeah, which brings it to a

1072
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: head in spring eighteen eighty six, and the stage was

1073
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: set for tragedy. On May first, a ton of owners

1074
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: and a ton of industries across the country actually capitulated

1075
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: without a strike and granted the eight or nine hour

1076
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: day to their employees a ton more nice did not.

1077
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 3: Well, that's not nice, y.

1078
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: So something like three hundred and forty thousand people went

1079
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: on strike on May first, which is impressive.

1080
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 3: And there were only like three hundred and fifty thousand

1081
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 3: people in the country at this.

1082
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So there's ten thousand people not on strike

1083
00:54:53,080 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 2: and they're all cops probably, And in Chicago alone, people

1084
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: walk off the job, which is like half the population

1085
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 2: of Chicago. It's not actually half, I'm being hyperbolic, but.

1086
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 3: It's a lot. It's a lot significant chunk of the

1087
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 3: people who did not burn to death in the.

1088
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: Fire right, and then another forty thousand the other half

1089
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: practically joined joined them in a march of eighty thousand

1090
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: people in Chicago. And so this is the first May

1091
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: Day labor march in history.

1092
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 3: And are the people who work with the companies that

1093
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 3: yielded are they going on strike as part of the

1094
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,479
Speaker 3: general strike or are they like not.

1095
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: I'm not certain. I kind of my general impression is

1096
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: that probably the workers who yielded might have been like

1097
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 2: it's Saturday, and I don't know we're about to have

1098
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: a war. Let's go go to your parade. That's my

1099
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: gut feeling, but I don't actually know, okay. And then

1100
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: like in all the history books they're always or at

1101
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 2: least the ones I read, they're like, and it was

1102
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: led at the front by Lucy Parsons, Albert Parsons and

1103
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: their two kids. And I kind of want to like

1104
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: point this out, partially because I'm like, they were probably

1105
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: near the front or maybe at the front, but it's

1106
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: it's not like this was Lucy and Albert Parsons who

1107
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: did this. You know, they if they let it, they

1108
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: were not alone in it, but they might have been

1109
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: at the front. And it's also a really nice image

1110
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 2: to have them at the front. They're two kids, they're like,

1111
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: I don't remember, they're like seven or something at this point,

1112
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 2: one of them, the older one is And during this big,

1113
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: happy march, you'll be shocked to know it all happened

1114
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: under the watchful gaze of police, private security, and deputized

1115
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: civilian snipers perched on rooftops all along the route.

1116
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 3: Another thing that hasn't happened again, deputized civilian snipers, I know.

1117
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 2: And then this also will totally surprise you out of sight.

1118
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: Militia waited with gatling guns with gatling guns.

1119
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 3: Fun.

1120
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: So this all feels pretty familiar to me.

1121
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this all feels like a thing that's happened repeatedly.

1122
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: But nothing bad happened, and then the next day.

1123
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 3: But also is something that's happened before, and.

1124
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: Then the next day Sunday, nothing bad happened. There wasn't

1125
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 2: a strike on Sunday because they didn't have to because

1126
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: but everyone hates a Monday, am I right?

1127
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1128
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: Worst, So on Monday, May third, more workers walk off

1129
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: the job, including the lumber shovers, which is the coolest

1130
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: name of a job but actually sounds like a terrible job.

1131
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: There, funny for a job. I'm sure it's it's a

1132
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 3: nightmare of a job, but it's a very funny thing

1133
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 3: to call you.

1134
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just basically means you like move logs and

1135
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: lumber around.

1136
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I kind of guess what lumber shoving was from

1137
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 3: the contest.

1138
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fair enough. And then the seamstresses also went

1139
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: on strike. I'm sure other ones did, but those are

1140
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: the two that I like found about and I got

1141
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: excited about. And then there's the McCormick Reaper Works.

1142
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 3: Which that's a that's a pretty tough name for a business,

1143
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 3: the Reaper Factor. It does it does sound like they

1144
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: make war crimes.

1145
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: What they did is they automated the jobs of all

1146
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: the farmers and or fed the world, depending on who

1147
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: controls the means of production. Basically, and it was the

1148
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: first automated harvesting machine at like revolutionized farming. And it's

1149
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: factory had this long history of labor struggle and they

1150
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: had a union until earlier that year. McCormick, not the

1151
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: original McCormick who invented it, but I think his kid.

1152
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: Basically he was like, you know what, I want to

1153
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: automate your jobs, and I don't like having a union around.

1154
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: So he fired his entire workforce who were not out

1155
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: on strike at the time, and then he just hired

1156
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: non union workers. So and a lot of anarchists from

1157
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 2: the metal Workers' Union had worked there. And so every

1158
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: time there was a picket, police and Pinkertons arrived armed

1159
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: to the teeth. Pinkerton's are the private security of the

1160
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: capitalists at this time?

1161
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, So on.

1162
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: May third, at the lumber Shover's rally, a few blocks

1163
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 2: away from the McCormick Reaper factory. They heard the McCormick

1164
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: bell strike the end of the day, and so all

1165
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: the lumber shovers ran over to join the picket and

1166
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: to throw rocks at the scabs who had stolen their jobs.

1167
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: The picketers drove the scabs back into the factory. Then

1168
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: the cops arrived, and then they threw stones at the cops,

1169
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: and then the cops drew revolvers and fired into the crowd.

1170
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: Two people at least were killed. No cops were so

1171
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: much as injured. And I want to give you a

1172
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: sense of how the media handled this, the mainstream media,

1173
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: that bastion of neutrality. The New York Times reported it

1174
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: like this, Oh good. The eight hour movements spilled us

1175
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: first blood today and Joseph Vottlech, a lumber shover eighteen

1176
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: years old, was fatally wounded, and a dozen more strikers

1177
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: with bullet holes in their bodies. Representing the result of

1178
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: the first encounter. There was a collision at McCormick's Reaper

1179
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: works between a mob of seven or eight thousand anarchist

1180
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: workmen and tramps maddened with free beer and free speech,

1181
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: and a squad of policemen. More than five hundred shots

1182
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: were fired, and hundreds of windows in the works were stoned.

1183
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: There are broken heads and bruised bodies all through the

1184
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 2: lumber District tonight. But the downtrodden masses have risen and

1185
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: had their fun.

1186
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: Wow.

1187
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to be fair, New York Times, like I

1188
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: think it's like thirty years later came up with the

1189
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: concept of being a neutral newspaper, and they had not

1190
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: done so at this time, ah, or since Yeah, well

1191
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: they came up with the concept.

1192
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 3: Thinking about that time they had the dictator of Turkey

1193
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 3: write a column or was that the Washington I forget Okay.

1194
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: So the article goes on at like great length and

1195
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: it talks about how heroic the police are and how

1196
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: it includes all these like completely impossible details like the

1197
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: entire crowd roared in one voice kill the police, and.

1198
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 3: How that does sound, don't I know?

1199
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 2: And how But they also claimed that the crowd was

1200
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: throwing stones and then shooting guns in the air, but somehow,

1201
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 2: miraculously wasn't shooting at the cops even though they were

1202
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: ostensibly trying to murder the police.

1203
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were maybe trying to arc it down, you know,

1204
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 3: it's like Fielder, Oh yeah.

1205
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah totally. They were like, we've read about these can

1206
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: using them as mortars.

1207
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1208
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: So some of the anarchists who are there run off

1209
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: and they call for a demonstration the next day to

1210
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: be called at Haymarket Square. Most of the flyers just

1211
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 2: say like, hey, show up, but then a few of

1212
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: them show say hey, show up with guns. What the fuck?

1213
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: Okay, because they well, that's good, that's going to get

1214
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: you in some Trump.

1215
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1216
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 3: Just knowing the America, I know that's going to get

1217
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 3: you in some Trump and not judging it, but that's

1218
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 3: going to get you in some Trump.

1219
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: And so first they printed the show up with guns

1220
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 2: one and then actually one of the people who later

1221
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 2: dies was like, uh, that's a bad idea. Yeah, that's

1222
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: going to get us in some trouble, and so they

1223
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: reprint it all. Fortunately they're all they all work for

1224
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: these newspapers they own, so they like because they all

1225
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: work for the different anarchists newspapers, so they can print

1226
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: whatever they want. So then they print a new one

1227
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: that does not say show up with guns, but a

1228
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: couple hundred of the like show up with gun ones

1229
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: slip out, probably by accident. Maybe not by accident, who

1230
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: the fuck knows. So the next day, cops attack striking

1231
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: workers throughout the city. Some strikers destroyed a drug store

1232
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: that police were using to telephone back to their headquarters.

1233
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 2: But the rally, the one that had some flyers in, Hey,

1234
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: show but guns, was not fierce. It started off really late.

1235
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 2: The turnout was like two thousand people instead of the

1236
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 2: twenty thousand people expected. Probably people have been frightened off

1237
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 2: because they were like, Oh, no, we don't actually want

1238
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:27,479
Speaker 2: a war.

1239
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want to. Maybe this show up to

1240
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 3: the gun with gun situation isn't the right thing to

1241
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 3: bring my kids to.

1242
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly.

1243
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 3: This may not be the one for me though.

1244
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. So a hundred cops are waiting in the wings

1245
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: and the mayor shows up, and the mayor is just

1246
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 2: there to make sure everything's peaceful. He was this like,

1247
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 2: he's a big free speech guy and a big free

1248
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: assembly guy and also a don't invite federal troops to

1249
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: shoot striking workers guy.

1250
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 3: Well that sounds fine, it sounds like your best case

1251
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 3: scenario in this.

1252
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: Exactly the best case scenario of a mayor. Absolutely, and

1253
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: he also but he doesn't actually have control of the police,

1254
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 2: which is completely unfamiliar to the modern audience. He tells

1255
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: the police what to do, and then they think about it,

1256
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 2: and then they do whatever they want. That's the same

1257
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: what what are you talking about. I've never heard of

1258
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: a COVID man that ever. They would obey it if

1259
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: it happened. Okay. So, so the mayor's friends are like,

1260
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 2: don't be so conspicuous, and he's like, no, I'm going

1261
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: to be conspicuous. I want the people to know their

1262
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: mayors here because he's a reasonably stand up guy, you know,

1263
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: he seems he seems fine. So first this guy, August

1264
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: Spies goes up and he's the runs one of the newspapers.

1265
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: He's actually the one who canceled the police show up

1266
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: armed thing. I think I'm not entirely sure again cancel

1267
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 2: culture yeah uh. And then Albert Parson goes up, and

1268
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: Albert Parsons he talks for like an hour, and I

1269
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: kind of suspect I wouldn't actually like Albert Parsons as

1270
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: a person, Like who shows him to this.

1271
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 3: Mel You shouldn't ever talk for an hour at a

1272
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 3: round like minutes?

1273
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: Yes?

1274
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so okay, So the mayor realizes that everything's fine,

1275
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: and the speakers are actually kind of toning down. Often

1276
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 2: they give speeches where they're like, we're gonna, you know,

1277
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 2: find the rich where they live and blow them up

1278
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 2: and all this shit. Like they're not subtle speakers normally,

1279
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: but they're being a little more subtle tonight because they're

1280
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: a little bit like, oh shit, oh shit, this is

1281
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: all about to go really weird. So the mayor realizes

1282
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: it's fine, and he fucks off and he goes over

1283
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 2: to the cop shop and he tells the police captain

1284
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: to stand down. The police captain didn't agree, and then

1285
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: the third speaker goes on, and this is a guy

1286
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: named Samuel Fielden, and I just feel bad for this

1287
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: guy because he goes on at ten pm.

1288
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 3: Feel for field Yeah, he goes on at.

1289
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 2: Ten pm, a storm is rolling in. Most of the

1290
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: crowd disperses because the rain is coming, and then Albert Parsons,

1291
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 2: the fucking dick, is like, hey, everyone, let's go to

1292
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: the beer hall, even though Fielden is still up there speaking,

1293
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 2: And that's gotta be heartbreaking, Like you get all this adrenaline.

1294
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 3: So he really seems like the dannie of this situation.

1295
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 2: I once played a show where the main draw was

1296
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 2: the band that went on before me, and then everyone left,

1297
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 2: and then I just like played for like the person

1298
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: who booked the show, after like one hundred people have

1299
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 2: been watching the band before. It's like the same, only

1300
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: people end up dead. So but and he spoke to

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Speaker 2: the two hundred or so people who were left, and

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Speaker 2: at one point he made a reference to how the

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Speaker 2: only thing to do with the law was to throttle it,

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Speaker 2: to kick it, to stab it. And two detectives who

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Speaker 2: are watching it run off and tell the police Captain

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Speaker 2: Bonfield that the speech was too naughty, so the cops

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Speaker 2: come running immediately. Fielden was still speaking. He ended his

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Speaker 2: speech with and I quote, people have been shot, men,

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Speaker 2: women and children have not been spared by the capitalists

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Speaker 2: and minions of private capital. It has no mercy. So

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Speaker 2: at you. You are called upon to defend yourselves, your lives,

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Speaker 2: your future. What matters it whether you kill yourselves with

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Speaker 2: work and get a little relief or die on the

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Speaker 2: battlefield resisting the enemy. What is the difference? Any animal,

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Speaker 2: however loathsom will resist when stepped upon. Are men less

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Speaker 2: than snails or worms? I have some resistance in me,

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Speaker 2: I know that you have two. You have been robbed,

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Speaker 2: and you will be starved into a worse condition. The

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Speaker 2: captain of the police orders the crowd to disperse. A

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Speaker 2: light flashes through the air, falling into the crowd of police,

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Speaker 2: and a bomb explodes. And that's what we'll leave it

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Speaker 2: for today.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I do have a note, yeah, which is that

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like snails and worms really do resist

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Speaker 3: much when you step on them. I feel like, biologically

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Speaker 3: he wasn't one hundred percent on there. I don't disagree

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Speaker 3: with the statement in broad but I have stepped on

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Speaker 3: the odd worm and I did not didn't seem like

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Speaker 3: they resisted. I'm getting to into the week.

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Speaker 2: I mean, have you checked right above your bed and

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Speaker 2: the rafters in the attic space.

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always filled with worms. Yeah that like it's

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Speaker 3: supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: No, they're they're there as organizing revenge.

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Speaker 3: Oh well that's probably fair. Yeah, Robert, we're talking about

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Speaker 3: worms now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of worms, do you have anything you want

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Speaker 1: to plug that made no sense?

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Speaker 3: Well, my friend Margaret has a show called Cool People

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Speaker 3: Who Did Cool Things, So you probably check that out.

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Speaker 1: Except that that's not the title. You were really close.

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Speaker 3: I was really close. What did we land on?

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Speaker 2: Stuff?

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Speaker 1: Cool?

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Speaker 2: People who did cool suck? Right?

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Speaker 3: We talked about whether or not to use stuff for

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Speaker 3: things for like thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Didn't we there was there was a thirty minute combo

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Speaker 1: and stuff was the choice.

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Speaker 3: I think I probably argued for stuff specifically too. This

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Speaker 3: is great, I'm I'm I'm really see. This is why

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Speaker 3: you got to have someone like me as the brains

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Speaker 3: of this out but really keeping everything together.

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Speaker 1: Really, it's like the time that I changed it could

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Speaker 1: when you wanted to name it could happen here, it

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Speaker 1: can happen here, and I changed it, and then it.

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Speaker 3: Was just that's good, because then I would have been

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Speaker 3: preemptively ripping off the book by the head of the ADL.

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Speaker 3: It can't happen here. I was published a year and

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Speaker 3: a half after It Could Happen Here came out and

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Speaker 3: had a similar premise but wasn't wasn't at all related

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01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 3: to my work and was not not at all anyway.

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Speaker 3: It's fine, It's fine.

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Speaker 1: See I always hob You're back there we go.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Sophie, You're welcome. BIG's head of the ad L.

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Speaker 1: Margaret is there where can people follow you?

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Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at Magpie Killjoy, and

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Speaker 2: you can find me on Instagram at Margaret Kiljoy. And

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Speaker 2: you can listen to my new podcast which is called

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Speaker 2: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 1: And we'll be back on Wednesday with Part two. Cool

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Speaker 1: People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of cool

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Speaker 1: Zone Media. For more podcasts and cool Zone Media, visit

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Speaker 1: our website coolzonmedia dot com, or check us out on

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