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Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've
Speaker 3: been on a journey to prove the existence of life
Speaker 3: after death. On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we
Speaker 3: now know that our loved ones have survived physical debt,
Speaker 3: and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 3: When you and I think of near death experience, does
Speaker 3: the name doctor Raymond Moody come to mind, a lot
Speaker 3: of people think he really is the main pioneer who
Speaker 3: first studied them. Doctor Moody is terrific and he's still
Speaker 3: sharing about the wisdom from near death experiences. And yes,
Speaker 3: he was the very first to coin the term near
Speaker 3: death experience. But today I'd like to talk about another pioneer.
Speaker 3: Many years ago, when I was on my own journey
Speaker 3: to explore the topic of the afterlife and calm my
Speaker 3: fears about death, I found a book called Lessons from
Speaker 3: the Light written by doctor Kenneth Ring. I was bold,
Speaker 3: found his email address and wrote to him, And what
Speaker 3: I didn't expect was an ongoing pen pal friendship with
Speaker 3: this interesting man so passionate about the afterlife and about
Speaker 3: near death experiences. Doctor Kenneth Ring, or Ken as he'd
Speaker 3: rather be called, has been around since the early days
Speaker 3: of the near death experience research back in the mid seventies,
Speaker 3: and he's also the co founder and past president of
Speaker 3: the International Association for Near Death Studies, also known as
Speaker 3: i AMS. Kenneth Ring, PhD, is Professor Emeritus of Psychology
Speaker 3: at the University of Connecticut and an internationally recognized authority
Speaker 3: on the subject of near death experiences, which he has
Speaker 3: written many books, in over one hundred articles, and the
Speaker 3: founding editor of the Journal of Near Death Studies, now
Speaker 3: in its thirtieth year. Doctor Ring has appeared on many
Speaker 3: television and radio programs. Some of the titles of his
Speaker 3: many books include Mindsight, near death, and out of body Experiences.
Speaker 3: In the blind, he wrote a light hearted book called
Speaker 3: Waiting to Die, a Near death Researcher's most humorous reflections
Speaker 3: on his own end a game. In twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: he published a near death researcher's notebook, What I've Learned
Speaker 3: About Dying, Death and the Afterlife. And just a few
Speaker 3: months ago he updated and republished his book that was
Speaker 3: first written almost twenty five years ago, called Lessons from
Speaker 3: the Light. What near death experiences teach us about living
Speaker 3: in the here and now. Can I be one hundred
Speaker 3: percent honest with you? I found out not too long
Speaker 3: ago that this great man, who is rapidly approaching the
Speaker 3: age of ninety, is filled with aches and pains and
Speaker 3: is having a real tough time. It dawned on me
Speaker 3: that I never featured him as an expert on this show,
Speaker 3: and I want to dedicate this episode to him. I'd
Speaker 3: like to read a bit from his book, Lessons from
Speaker 3: the Light. Unfortunately, my friend Ken is not well enough
Speaker 3: to do interviews, but I found an old, old talk
Speaker 3: that he did from over twenty five years ago that
Speaker 3: I think you'll enjoy listening to his research on the
Speaker 3: near death experiences is just as valid today as it
Speaker 3: was back then. My goal for today is certainly to
Speaker 3: share some near death experiences, but so much more than that,
Speaker 3: to let you know how important your life here on
Speaker 3: earth is. That we will have a life review sometime,
Speaker 3: so we might as well make a good move today.
Speaker 3: Also the importance of self love, and I don't want
Speaker 3: doctor Kenneth Ring's work to be lost or forgotten. If
Speaker 3: you're a book lover like myself, I wholeheartedly recommend that
Speaker 3: you pick up a copy of his recently reprinted book
Speaker 3: Lessons from the Light. And secretly I'm hoping enough of
Speaker 3: us listeners get a copy and that it gets back
Speaker 3: to Ken that he's appreciated and that his life's work matters.
Speaker 3: Let me read to you now. This is from his
Speaker 3: chapter called Children the Light. He says, several years ago,
Speaker 3: I received a letter from a mother who wanted to
Speaker 3: share with me a baffling conversation she had had with
Speaker 3: her young son. At the time it occurred. She told
Speaker 3: me that she only had a passing knowledge of an MDes,
Speaker 3: but what happened to her that day led her to
Speaker 3: want to know more about the subject. She explained. The
Speaker 3: incident concerning Stephen occurred when he was two years and
Speaker 3: two months old. I was framing a picture of my
Speaker 3: grandmother and grandfather, who had been dead since before Stephen
Speaker 3: was born. Stephen was sitting nearby, playing with a toy
Speaker 3: and asked me what I was doing. I told him,
Speaker 3: and I explained that it was a picture of his
Speaker 3: grandma and grandpa, who are now dead. No one had
Speaker 3: ever discussed death with Stephen before, and all of a
Speaker 3: sudden I found myself with doing just that with no
Speaker 3: prior preparation. I knew he would not drop the subject
Speaker 3: because he's a talkative, verbally precocious, and very curious child.
Speaker 3: I began by saying that they were no longer here
Speaker 3: with us, and they had gone to be with God.
Speaker 3: I was trying to think of what to say next,
Speaker 3: to elaborate while Stephen continued playing. But before I could
Speaker 3: say more, he said, in a very matter of fact way,
Speaker 3: when you die, it's a tunnel. This caught me totally
Speaker 3: off guard. I asked him to repeat it, and he did.
Speaker 3: I asked him a couple of more questions in a
Speaker 3: half interested way, although I was intensely interested. I asked
Speaker 3: if there was anything in the tunnel. He replied that
Speaker 3: there was light in the tunnel. I asked what color
Speaker 3: the light was, and he replied white. I asked if
Speaker 3: when you die you go through the tunnel. He answered
Speaker 3: affirmatively yes. I asked what you do when you come
Speaker 3: to the end of the tunnel. He said, you go
Speaker 3: to the light. He also volunteered that his grandpa, pointing
Speaker 3: to the picture, was there with a light on his head.
Speaker 3: He kept repeating the same information the next day in
Speaker 3: his father's presence. The mother adds this comment, I don't
Speaker 3: work outside the home, and Steven spent his entire life
Speaker 3: only exposed to me and my husband, except for one
Speaker 3: very rare, occasional babysitter who never discussed that subject. I
Speaker 3: knew that his reply did not come from a source
Speaker 3: outside himself. What are the chances that all of the
Speaker 3: things he could have made up regarding a subject which
Speaker 3: he had no experience, he could have come up with
Speaker 3: going through a tunnel and going to a light. Doctor
Speaker 3: Ring says of a number of investigators who have pioneered
Speaker 3: studies of near death experiences in children, by far the
Speaker 3: most pre imminent is a pediatrician named Melvin Morse. Morse's
Speaker 3: involvement with this field of near death studies was not
Speaker 3: deliberate and had occurred because of a converse he had
Speaker 3: with a seven year old patient by the name of Crystal.
Speaker 3: When Morse was a young intern working in Idaho, he
Speaker 3: found himself having to try to resuscitate a seven year
Speaker 3: old girl who had nearly drowned in a Ymca pool.
Speaker 3: The girl, Crystal, was hooked up to an artificial lung machine.
Speaker 3: A cat scan showed that she had massive brain swelling,
Speaker 3: and Morse felt her chances of recovery were nearly zero.
Speaker 3: He was wrong. Three days later, she made a full recovery.
Speaker 3: Later on, Moose saw her for a follow up examination.
Speaker 3: As a physician, he was interested in such matters as
Speaker 3: brain tumors and childhood leukemia and had no interest whatsoever
Speaker 3: in near death experiences. I'm not even sure he had
Speaker 3: heard of them at the time. But Crystal was about
Speaker 3: to change all that after Morse introduced himself. But before
Speaker 3: starting his examination, Crystal turned to her mother and said,
Speaker 3: that's the one with the beard. First there was this
Speaker 3: tall doctor who didn't have a beard, and then he
Speaker 3: came in. Morse thought correct, then she went on spontaneously
Speaker 3: to describe several other procedures that were performed on her,
Speaker 3: including a nasal intubation, all of which statements were again accurate. Morse,
Speaker 3: who had been there during this time, knew that her
Speaker 3: eyes had been closed and she had been profoundly comatose
Speaker 3: during this entire period. He confessed that Crystal's telling him
Speaker 3: all of this in a matter of fact way amazed him. Intrigued,
Speaker 3: he asked, what do you remember about being in the
Speaker 3: swimming pool? You mean when I visited the Heavenly Father,
Speaker 3: Crystal replied. Morse encouraged her to say more, but all
Speaker 3: Christel would say about that day was I met Jesus
Speaker 3: and the Heavenly Father. Then she got very shy and
Speaker 3: in and said no more. However, when Morse returned the
Speaker 3: next week, he tried again, and this time he succeeded
Speaker 3: in prying out Crystal's full story. Here it is. She
Speaker 3: remembered nothing of the drowning. However, in her words, I
Speaker 3: was dead, and then there was a tunnel. It was dark,
Speaker 3: and I was scared. I couldn't walk. Then she told
Speaker 3: Morse that a woman named Elizabeth appeared and that the
Speaker 3: tunnel became bright. Cristel described Elizabeth as being tall with
Speaker 3: bright yellow hair. Then, according to Cristel, they entered heaven.
Speaker 3: Heaven was fun, she said, it was bright and there
Speaker 3: were lots of flowers. She said there was a border
Speaker 3: around heaven that she could not see past. Cristel reported
Speaker 3: to Morse that she met many people there, including her
Speaker 3: dead grandparents, her maternal aunt, and Heather and Melissa, two
Speaker 3: souls waiting to be born. She also met the heavenly
Speaker 3: Father and Jesus, who asked her if she wanted to
Speaker 3: return to Earth. She said she wanted to stay with him.
Speaker 3: Elizabeth asked her if she wanted to see her mother,
Speaker 3: and apparently at this time, Cristel then found herself able
Speaker 3: to see home and observed her mother cooking and her father,
Speaker 3: who was sitting on the couch, as well as her
Speaker 3: brothers and sisters playing. According to Morse, when Cristel later
Speaker 3: described this scene to her parents, they were astonished that
Speaker 3: she accurately described their clothing, their positions in the house,
Speaker 3: and even the food the mother had been cooking. Cristel
Speaker 3: now felt that she did, after all, want to be
Speaker 3: with her mother, so she said yes to Elizabeth's question,
Speaker 3: and the next thing she knew, she awoke in the hospital.
Speaker 3: There are more stories about children in this chapter, but
Speaker 3: this one is by a nine year old girl, Nina,
Speaker 3: and part of her experience. She said, a pretty lady
Speaker 3: came up to me and help me because she knew
Speaker 3: I was scared. We went through a tunnel and went
Speaker 3: into heaven. There are beautiful flowers there. I was with
Speaker 3: God and Jesus. They said I had to go back
Speaker 3: to be with my mother because she was upset. They
Speaker 3: said I had to finish my life. So I went
Speaker 3: back and I woke up. The tunnel I went through
Speaker 3: was long and dark. I went through it really fast.
Speaker 3: There was a light at the end. When we saw
Speaker 3: the light, I was very happy. This light was very bright.
Speaker 3: You know I want to read to you this whole book,
Speaker 3: don't you. It's over three hundred and thirty pages. But
Speaker 3: what's important to me is when we get back from
Speaker 3: the break, I want you to hear from Ken Ring
Speaker 3: himself about his passion and about near death experiences, and
Speaker 3: then we'll see what other stories we have time for,
Speaker 3: and we will be back. You're listening to Shades of
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 3: and on this episode we are featuring the life's work
Speaker 3: of doctor Kenneth Ring. I think it's important that you
Speaker 3: hear from ken himself. These words are recorded almost twenty
Speaker 3: five years ago. Let's listen and hear him talk about
Speaker 3: the near death experience and what it.
Speaker 4: Is Well Brazley, it's an experience that many people report
Speaker 4: when they're on the verge of death. Typical account would
Speaker 4: say that the person feels a sense of tremendous peace
Speaker 4: and well being. There's often a sense of separating from
Speaker 4: the physical body and being able to see the body
Speaker 4: as though a spectator to it from an elevated position.
Speaker 4: Then if the person goes more deeply into the experience,
Speaker 4: there's often a feeling of moving through a dark and
Speaker 4: closed space, sometimes described as like a tunnel at an
Speaker 4: increasing speed. Often people say at the speed of light.
Speaker 4: Sometimes even faster than the speed of light. They move
Speaker 4: toward a radiantly beautiful light than when they enter into
Speaker 4: the aura or the atmosphere of this light. Many other
Speaker 4: things happen. They're flooded with a sense of universal knowledge,
Speaker 4: a sense of a complete, absolute, unconditional love. Sometimes they're
Speaker 4: asked to look at their life as though they have
Speaker 4: a panoramic review of their entire life. Sometimes they meet
Speaker 4: a spiritual entity or the spirit of a deceased look
Speaker 4: one who tells them that they have to go back,
Speaker 4: and then they return to their body. Those are some
Speaker 4: of the staple elements that together define the typical near
Speaker 4: death experience narrative. We have evidence that I present some
Speaker 4: in my book Lessons from the Light, where it is
Speaker 4: very difficult to argue on the basis of this evidence
Speaker 4: that the experience is anything like an hallucination, a dream,
Speaker 4: a fantasy, or something very subjective. And one source of
Speaker 4: evidence of this kind is when people who have near
Speaker 4: death experiences and then float out of the body then
Speaker 4: go on to describe unusual objects and unlikely locations that
Speaker 4: they could not possibly know by normal means, and then
Speaker 4: these objects are independently confirmed. In addition to that, and
Speaker 4: I have a chapter of this, Lessons from the Light.
Speaker 4: We've done research on people who are blind, and even
Speaker 4: those who are blind from birth can report classic near
Speaker 4: death experiences and sometimes also describe being able to be
Speaker 4: aware of objects in their physical environment, which can be
Speaker 4: independently confirmed by external witnesses. So it's data like these,
Speaker 4: among others, that suggest that whatever this experience it is,
Speaker 4: it isn't nearly something that people are imagining or dreaming
Speaker 4: or making up. We don't have any scientific explanation for it,
Speaker 4: at least from conventional science. But these facts and these
Speaker 4: observations are reported over and over again, so that science
Speaker 4: is going to have to take a lit into account,
Speaker 4: one way or another. This is another argument in favor
Speaker 4: of the idea that this is not an hallucination. First
Speaker 4: of all, hallucinations would probably be a lot more variable
Speaker 4: than the near death experiences, and they wouldn't be expected
Speaker 4: to have these very profound and lifelong changes. And I've
Speaker 4: done follow up studies of people that have had near
Speaker 4: death experiences. Many years previously, and a lot of the
Speaker 4: after effects of the near death experiences are not just evanescent,
Speaker 4: but they last seemingly for a very long time, if
Speaker 4: not the entire duration of a person's life, and this
Speaker 4: has been found in a number of different studies that
Speaker 4: have been done in at least four different countries in
Speaker 4: the world. Are a sense of a greater appreciation for
Speaker 4: life and for nature, a sense of greater feelings of
Speaker 4: self worth. One of the most pronounced effects has to
Speaker 4: do with feelings about other people. There's a much heightened
Speaker 4: compassion and caring and concern for other people, a greater
Speaker 4: love for other people. People that have near death experiences
Speaker 4: become less materialistic. They become less interested in impressing others
Speaker 4: or being successful in conventional terms. They're much more spiritually oriented.
Speaker 4: They're not more religious interestingly enough, but they say that
Speaker 4: they're much more spiritually oriented. And many of them seem
Speaker 4: to develop or awaken through this experience unusual psychic gifts
Speaker 4: that they say either were not present before or have
Speaker 4: developed much more to a much greater extent than have
Speaker 4: been the case prior to their near death experience. I
Speaker 4: think that one of the ways to understand what the
Speaker 4: near death experience is. It is a spiritual transformation, and
Speaker 4: it leads to many of the same kinds of effects,
Speaker 4: at least in some of our stronger cases, as those
Speaker 4: who are talked about, for example, in books on cosmic
Speaker 4: consciousness and very highly developed states of consciousness. It seems
Speaker 4: that the near death experience is almost like I would say,
Speaker 4: like a spiritual seed that's implanted in the individual and
Speaker 4: then in the individual's life. As that seed is nurtured,
Speaker 4: it then begins to develop in this particular way, so
Speaker 4: that individuals do move into higher states of consciousness that
Speaker 4: are suggestive of well, I'm not saying these persons are enlightened.
Speaker 4: I would say that they're not, but they move in
Speaker 4: that direction. There's an unfolding of higher states of consciousness
Speaker 4: that seems to be potentiated by this experience. They care
Speaker 4: more about other people. But in fact, as often happens
Speaker 4: when death or a near death incident occurs within a family,
Speaker 4: the strain on human relationships within the family or within
Speaker 4: the person's primary group is often very pronounced. So people
Speaker 4: have a difficult time working through these kinds of experiences
Speaker 4: and coming to terms with them and integrating them into
Speaker 4: their lives. So I'm not suggesting by any means that
Speaker 4: the kinds of transformative effects are easy or on the
Speaker 4: well being of their relationships with others. It really takes
Speaker 4: a lot of work, and therapy and other kinds of
Speaker 4: supportive services are often needed to help people negotiate these
Speaker 4: rather difficult passages. And that's why with caution against making
Speaker 4: too it easy. An assumption of seeing the light and
Speaker 4: being enlightened. No, seeing the light is maybe just like
Speaker 4: the first step. Then people really awaken when they see
Speaker 4: the light. But the real work that they have to
Speaker 4: do follows the experience. It's not done automatically simply by
Speaker 4: having it. Obviously, many people know about the light, they
Speaker 4: know about the auto body experience. But the thing that
Speaker 4: really is I think important about the near death experience,
Speaker 4: and in regard to the life review phenomenon, is it
Speaker 4: isn't just a life review. It's a reliving of your life.
Speaker 4: And when people describe this, it's not always done in
Speaker 4: this way, but when people describe the full experience, it's
Speaker 4: every single act that you have done, every single book
Speaker 4: thought that you have thought, every single word that you
Speaker 4: have spoken. Suddenly all of this is that with you,
Speaker 4: you are running through it again. You see and you
Speaker 4: who experience the effects of these acts, these thoughts and
Speaker 4: other people. Let me just give you one brief example
Speaker 4: to illustrate this. I have a friend who, when growing up,
Speaker 4: was kind of a roughneck. He had a hot temper.
Speaker 4: He was always getting into scrapes. And one day he
Speaker 4: was driving in his truck through the suburb in the
Speaker 4: town where he lived and he almost hit a pedestrian.
Speaker 4: He got very aggravated in his pedestrian and he was
Speaker 4: a very big, physical guy still lives, and a fight
Speaker 4: ensued and he punched this guy out and left him
Speaker 4: unconscious on the pavement, got back into his truck and
Speaker 4: roared off. Fifteen years later, this guy has a near
Speaker 4: death experience. Oddly enough, it was caused by an accident
Speaker 4: in regard to his own truck at that time, but
Speaker 4: in any event, he has a near death experience. And
Speaker 4: during the near death experience he has a life review,
Speaker 4: and in his life review, this particular scene of the
Speaker 4: fight takes place again comes up in his life review
Speaker 4: and he said that, as many people do, he experienced
Speaker 4: this from a dual aspect. There was a part of him.
Speaker 4: That was almost as if he were high up in
Speaker 4: a building looking through a window and seeing the fight,
Speaker 4: but at the same time he was observing the fight
Speaker 4: like a spectator. He found himself in the fight, except
Speaker 4: this time he found himself in the role of the
Speaker 4: other person, and he felt all thirty two blows that
Speaker 4: he had rained on this person originally fifteen years ago,
Speaker 4: now being inflicted upon himself. He felt his teeth cracking,
Speaker 4: he felt the blood in his teeth, He felt everything
Speaker 4: that this other person must have felt at that particular time.
Speaker 4: It was a complete role reversal and empathic that life
Speaker 4: review experience. And this is the sort of thing that
Speaker 4: many people report, and when they report these kinds of
Speaker 4: experience as they realize that in our life, we are
Speaker 4: the very people that we hurt, We are the very
Speaker 4: people that we helped to feel good, and we experience
Speaker 4: these actions as though done to ourselves in the life review,
Speaker 4: so that when people start talking about the Golden rule
Speaker 4: in the context of the near death experience, the Golden
Speaker 4: rule is not just a precept for moral conduct. It's
Speaker 4: the way it works. And you experience this during the
Speaker 4: life review, and you learn that lesson in a very
Speaker 4: forcible way as a result of going through this kind
Speaker 4: of experience. And that's why when people have envees, they
Speaker 4: change as much as they do, because if you can
Speaker 4: even imagine what it must be like to go through
Speaker 4: your entire life and see everything that you've ever done
Speaker 4: without judgment but from a kind of almost omnission point
Speaker 4: of view with regard to the effects of those actions,
Speaker 4: and see what your actions do to other people, it's
Speaker 4: a heavy kind of lesson and it's something that stays
Speaker 4: with you and it informs your conduct for the time
Speaker 4: after your near death experience. So it does give us
Speaker 4: a lot to think about. And that's why I say
Speaker 4: in my book Lessons from the Light, the near death
Speaker 4: experience isn't given just to those who have the experience.
Speaker 4: It's given to all of us to learn from, because
Speaker 4: all of us can profit by the lessons that near
Speaker 4: death experience has learned in the course of the life
Speaker 4: review or other aspects of their experience, and we can
Speaker 4: grow from these lessons and we can apply these lessons
Speaker 4: into our daily life. So one of the things that
Speaker 4: I've done in some of my classes and some of
Speaker 4: my workshops is I take about a half a dozen
Speaker 4: of these stories like the one that I just related
Speaker 4: about the guy getting into that fight, And I ask
Speaker 4: people to read these stories very slowly in an almost
Speaker 4: meditative way, and then to reflect on them. And after
Speaker 4: they do this for perhaps ten minutes, I ask them
Speaker 4: to complete the following sentence when I reflect on these
Speaker 4: commentaries in relationship to my own life, comma eye. And
Speaker 4: when people have that stem of the sentence and they
Speaker 4: have this kind of information, it's a very very powerful exercise.
Speaker 4: I've seen people weep in terms of some of the
Speaker 4: realizations that they come to, and I often have people
Speaker 4: that discuss the insights that they get. And this is
Speaker 4: one of the ways that people can put the near
Speaker 4: death experience to work in their own lives, simply by
Speaker 4: taking these accounts and buying a sense internalizing them and
Speaker 4: realizing that, yeah, this is going to be your experience.
Speaker 4: If we are really going to experience when we die
Speaker 4: what our entire lives have been about and our effects
Speaker 4: on others, it will make us very reflective. And as
Speaker 4: some of the near death experiencers that I've talked with
Speaker 4: who have had this experience have told me, they now
Speaker 4: think ahead of time. They almost like do a little processing.
Speaker 4: They say, how do I want to see this particular
Speaker 4: scene in my life review? They use this information not
Speaker 4: just in a retrospective sense of how they've actually acted,
Speaker 4: but as a way to program or rehearse certain kinds
Speaker 4: of actions, because they can anticipate that they're going to
Speaker 4: be experiencing this from all sides, not just from their
Speaker 4: own ego invested side. One of the things that happens
Speaker 4: in the near death experience is people are not judged.
Speaker 4: There is no sense of external judgment, and when people
Speaker 4: are responded to that way in surprise. First, you have
Speaker 4: to look at your life. Can you imagine what the
Speaker 4: life review of Hitler would have been like to have
Speaker 4: gone through? Because one of the things that people say
Speaker 4: about the near death experience in regard to the life
Speaker 4: review is that you become aware of the consequences of
Speaker 4: your actions, whether you intended them or not, and even
Speaker 4: whether you are aware of their repercussions or not. So mean,
Speaker 4: if you think of all the rambifications of Hitler's decisions
Speaker 4: about how things are going to be done prior to
Speaker 4: and during World War two, not just with the Jews,
Speaker 4: but with all the atrocities, you know that man died
Speaker 4: over fifty years ago. You wonder whether his life review
Speaker 4: is over yet. Because people say in the near death
Speaker 4: experience and when they have a life review that they
Speaker 4: are outside of time, and yet they can process all
Speaker 4: this information. It's like a learning experience. It's meant to
Speaker 4: show you something. Because Hitler, obviously is the most extreme
Speaker 4: case that we can use in the normal case. What
Speaker 4: people say about the near death experience and what they
Speaker 4: learn from the life review is it shows them something.
Speaker 4: It is a teaching It's not something that's meant as
Speaker 4: a punishment or to scare people, and it's meant to
Speaker 4: wake people up so that they simply become aware of
Speaker 4: the consequences in their actions before committing those actions, knowing
Speaker 4: that they themselves are going to have to be the
Speaker 4: recipients of them.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain
Speaker 3: and we're listening to some words from doctor Kenneth Ring
Speaker 3: about the near death experience and about the life review.
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Speaker 4: It is a teaching It's not something that's meant as
Speaker 4: a punishment or to scare people, and it's meant to
Speaker 4: wake people up so that they simply become aware of
Speaker 4: the consequences of their actions before committing those actions, knowing
Speaker 4: that they themselves are going to have to be the
Speaker 4: recipients of them. It says, if there's only one person
Speaker 4: in the universe, and it's us, it's a total experience
Speaker 4: that really is a reliving of your life, and that's
Speaker 4: the term that some people use. It's almost like we
Speaker 4: go through life with blinders because we're not fully aware
Speaker 4: at the time or even afterward, of all the effects
Speaker 4: of our actions, nor do we think that our thoughts
Speaker 4: and feelings have effects in their own right. But when
Speaker 4: we go through the life review experience, we have the
Speaker 4: full picture. We have an almost omniscient understanding of our actions,
Speaker 4: of why we do the thing that we do, and
Speaker 4: how they have particular kinds of consequences in the lives,
Speaker 4: not only of ourselves but of other people. It's a revelation, really,
Speaker 4: it's a revelation. These experiences, on the face of it,
Speaker 4: are impossible, but they happen. They happen repeatedly, they can
Speaker 4: be documented. Many people in different countries tell the same stories,
Speaker 4: and in some cases, especially in the early days of
Speaker 4: near death experience research, people thought they might be the
Speaker 4: only ones in the world that we're having these kinds
Speaker 4: of experiences. But when you collate these accounts, you see
Speaker 4: that they form a regular pattern. Now I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that we can easily explain these experiences. We can, but
Speaker 4: I think, just to dismiss them as if they don't
Speaker 4: already happen when they exist in such plenitude, as a
Speaker 4: kind of ostrich like blindness, it just won't work. People
Speaker 4: are going to have to begin to pay attention to
Speaker 4: these experiences in science. They're already paying attention to it
Speaker 4: outside of science. The near death experience has been around,
Speaker 4: at least for the time of Rie and Moody's research,
Speaker 4: since nineteen seventy five. It's here to stay, and people
Speaker 4: are going to have to reckon with it. Scientists included.
Speaker 4: The people that I've talked with who have described themselves
Speaker 4: as skeptics, as agnostics, or as atheists often have difficulty
Speaker 4: using religious terms afterward, but they know what they've experienced,
Speaker 4: and the term, which is almost a code word in
Speaker 4: a certain sense for this is the light. They don't
Speaker 4: have any difficulty talking about the light, but they might
Speaker 4: have difficulty talking about God or more obviously religious terms.
Speaker 4: But if you look at the way they describe the experience,
Speaker 4: and if you look at the kinds of changes they
Speaker 4: report in their life and they're opening to spiritual world views,
Speaker 4: you can see that their previous skepticism or agnosticism or
Speaker 4: even atheism has been eroded to such an extent that
Speaker 4: it virtually dissolves and they become very spiritually oriented people too.
Speaker 4: There's so many things that are associated with this light.
Speaker 4: It's almost impossible even to give a verbal description of
Speaker 4: it that that's in any way adequate. I think even
Speaker 4: the powers of a Dante Frankly would be insufficient to
Speaker 4: be able to describe what's in this light. Yes, there
Speaker 4: is an credible intelligence, there is an energy associated with
Speaker 4: this light. There is a feeling of love beyond this world,
Speaker 4: but almost an absolute love. And that when people have
Speaker 4: the experience of the light, it isn't that they become
Speaker 4: aware of these dimensions. It become absorbed in them and
Speaker 4: they understand that they are made of that light. You know,
Speaker 4: the light is not something that is other. It's that
Speaker 4: they merge with the light and that energy and that intelligence,
Speaker 4: and that love ensueses itself into you. And that's why
Speaker 4: I think when people come back from this radiant experience,
Speaker 4: they're almost like beings of light themselves. I mean, to
Speaker 4: the extent that they can remove their ego draws, then
Speaker 4: the light that they experience during their own near death
Speaker 4: encounter shines through them. I think that's why they are
Speaker 4: so compassionate, so loving, and why they have this kind
Speaker 4: of knowledge, because the light is an energy and intelligence
Speaker 4: which can be absorbed in the near death experience. Even
Speaker 4: if a person can't consciously understand what has happened to
Speaker 4: him or her, nevertheless, that absorption takes place and is
Speaker 4: somehow reflected in their daily conduct and in their consciousness
Speaker 4: when they come back from the experience. I remember this
Speaker 4: particular man, and he had a very unusual experience because
Speaker 4: when he went into the light, he had a question
Speaker 4: and he said, what are you really? You know, what
Speaker 4: is this? What are you? And he said that he
Speaker 4: was not enabled to enter into the light, but he
Speaker 4: passed through the light, and when he looked back on
Speaker 4: the light, he saw it was almost like a constellation
Speaker 4: of human souls, that it was everybody's higher sell. Again,
Speaker 4: that had a tremendous effect on this particular individual. But
Speaker 4: his experience went deeper than most. And in one chapter
Speaker 4: I knowed with Lessons from the Light, I present some
Speaker 4: cases like his, of the most complex near death experiences
Speaker 4: that I discovered in the course of my research. And
Speaker 4: in all of these, although I don't have many of them,
Speaker 4: as with this man. People go into and then through
Speaker 4: the light, and they seem to go almost as if
Speaker 4: on a journey through the universe, and they get to
Speaker 4: a second light. They get to something that seems to
Speaker 4: be the primordial light, or the light of creation, or
Speaker 4: the light of God. I don't even know what terms
Speaker 4: are adequate to describe it. This man was one of
Speaker 4: those who had something more like the full near death experience,
Speaker 4: although obviously he never died, but he penetrated further than
Speaker 4: most people ever have an opportunity to do. I think
Speaker 4: what we have here in this world. We have a
Speaker 4: sense of division and separation. We are many bodies, but
Speaker 4: in the light no pun intended of the near death experience,
Speaker 4: you realize that there's only one being and we are
Speaker 4: all connected to it. It's as if that primordial light
Speaker 4: that I was talking about is that's where we really belong,
Speaker 4: that's where we really are. And so many people say,
Speaker 4: even when they enter into the experience of the light,
Speaker 4: I was home. One man said, this is where I
Speaker 4: always was and always will be, and my life on
Speaker 4: earth was just a brief instant. So it's like, in
Speaker 4: this brief instant that we call life, of course, which
Speaker 4: seems to expand. It seems to be the totality of it.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's maybe all that we are aware of.
Speaker 4: But when we have the near death experience, we realize
Speaker 4: this life is just a flicker, and where we really
Speaker 4: are and where we truly have our being is in
Speaker 4: that priority of light, and there we are truly all one.
Speaker 4: We are truly all one anyway, but we have the
Speaker 4: realization that we are one. We know it. It's not
Speaker 4: just an intellectual conviction. To me, the near death experience
Speaker 4: is a type of mystical experience that's brought about by
Speaker 4: the proximity of death. Its essences no different from a
Speaker 4: mystical experience. The only thing that's different about it are
Speaker 4: the circumstances that bring it into a person's awareness. And
Speaker 4: it's almost as if we're having an influx of mystical
Speaker 4: experience these days because of the availability of resuscitation technology
Speaker 4: that brings many people back from the break of death
Speaker 4: and enables them to relate these stories to people like myself,
Speaker 4: to people who are broadcasters of them, so that people
Speaker 4: understand that the mystical worldview is one that really can
Speaker 4: be reached from a number of different perspectives or avenues
Speaker 4: I could say, which the near death experience has only one,
Speaker 4: But it teaches the same thing as traditional mystical experiences
Speaker 4: I've taught us. I think many people who have taken
Speaker 4: the trouble to study, or to read about, or just
Speaker 4: inform themselves about near death experiences can see the implications
Speaker 4: of them are very large, and this is what I
Speaker 4: try to bring out in my books and in my
Speaker 4: talks generally. But my attitude towards the near death experience
Speaker 4: has always been invitational. I don't think it has any
Speaker 4: one truth or any one perspective that it ineftively leads to.
Speaker 4: My approach has always been to invite people to consider
Speaker 4: the near death experience and come to their own conclusions.
Speaker 4: But I know that whatever their confusions might be, the
Speaker 4: exploration of these experiences will be richly rewarding. And it's
Speaker 4: almost universal that near death experiences say I know that
Speaker 4: my life has a purpose. I know that life has
Speaker 4: a meaning. Purpose. A sense of meaning is so much
Speaker 4: a part of this experience that it cannot be extracted,
Speaker 4: it can't be doubted. It's an inextricable part of the
Speaker 4: near death experience, and people who study it will understand
Speaker 4: that if those experiences give us a sense of meaning,
Speaker 4: then even those of us who haven't had the experience
Speaker 4: can be void up by the fact that there is
Speaker 4: meaning and purpose to our world.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Ken. If we could talk to Ken Ring today,
Speaker 3: if he was feeling better, those words would be just
Speaker 3: as true as when he spoke them over twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: You know, on my earliest days, when I was a
Speaker 3: hardcore skeptic, I just said, the white light must be
Speaker 3: just what happens when the brain shuts down. I had
Speaker 3: no idea that there were people like Elizabeth Koobler Ross,
Speaker 3: doctor Raymond Moody, doctor Kenneth Ring, and so many more
Speaker 3: who dedicated their lives to studying near death experiences and
Speaker 3: making a difference. And don't you just love the description
Speaker 3: of the light, no matter what religion you belonged to,
Speaker 3: or even if you don't believe at all an all
Speaker 3: encompassing light of love, It's incredible. Doctor Ring has a
Speaker 3: whole chapter in his book Lessons from the Light on
Speaker 3: eyeless vision near death experiences in the blind. He and
Speaker 3: his team studied over thirty people, many of them blind
Speaker 3: from birth, and they had something called mindsight during these experiences.
Speaker 3: Here's one of them. Vicky was blind from birth. She says,
Speaker 3: the first thing I was really aware of is that
Speaker 3: I was up on the ceiling and I heard this
Speaker 3: doctor talking. It was a male doctor, and I looked
Speaker 3: down and I saw my body, and at first I
Speaker 3: wasn't sure that it was my own, but I recognized
Speaker 3: my hair. It was very long, it was down to
Speaker 3: my waist, and part of it had to be shaved off.
Speaker 3: And I remember being so upset about that. I knew
Speaker 3: too all of the feelings those in the room were having.
Speaker 3: From up there on the ceiling, I could tell they
Speaker 3: were very concerned. I could see them working on this body.
Speaker 3: I could see that my head was cut open. I
Speaker 3: could see a lot of blood. I tried to communicate
Speaker 3: to the doctor and nurse, but of course they could
Speaker 3: not hear me. Then I went up through the roof,
Speaker 3: and that was astounding. I felt a sense of upward motion.
Speaker 3: I was above the hospital looking down. I saw lights
Speaker 3: and the streets down below. I was very confused about that.
Speaker 3: At that point, Vicki began to ascend at a tremendous speed,
Speaker 3: and she felt as if she was sucked into a
Speaker 3: tube and propelled toward a light. She heard an enchanting
Speaker 3: harmony of a wood chime like music, and throughout all
Speaker 3: of this she reports being able to see. She found
Speaker 3: herself in an illuminated field covered with flowers, seeing too Chill,
Speaker 3: long deceased, who had befriended her when they were all
Speaker 3: in school for the blind together. They were both profoundly handicapped,
Speaker 3: but in this state they appeared vital, healthy, and without
Speaker 3: their earthly handicaps. She felt a welcoming love from them
Speaker 3: and tried to move toward them. She also saw other
Speaker 3: people that she had known in her life who had
Speaker 3: since died, such as her caretakers and her grandmother. Vicki
Speaker 3: saw a figure who she thought to be Jesus, who
Speaker 3: told her it was important to learn the lessons of
Speaker 3: loving and forgiving, And at that point she found herself
Speaker 3: back in her body, which she entered almost as if
Speaker 3: slamming into it, she said, and experienced the heavy, dullness
Speaker 3: and intense pain of her physical being. It's time for
Speaker 3: the break, and we will come back with more stories.
Speaker 3: From Lessons from the Light by doctor Kenneth Ring. You're
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Speaker 3: Lessons from the Light. What near death experiences teach us
Speaker 3: about living in the here and now And a special
Speaker 3: word to doctor ken on behalf of myself and listeners
Speaker 3: of Shades of the Afterlife, we will do everything possible
Speaker 3: to keep your words alive. You've done so much for
Speaker 3: the afterlife and Near death experience community. We send you love,
Speaker 3: prayers and healing, smiles, laughter and joy all that you
Speaker 3: have given us. On our final segment today, I'd like
Speaker 3: to read more near death experiences and include some lessons
Speaker 3: from the Light on self love. I have a sneaky
Speaker 3: suspicion that you like me and everyone I've ever met.
Speaker 3: It's easy for us to love others, but how easy
Speaker 3: is it for us to love ourselves? What if we
Speaker 3: don't have to go through a near death experience to
Speaker 3: have self love in our life? In Craig's NDE, he says,
Speaker 3: I felt myself moving through a dark void. It felt
Speaker 3: like it was a tunnel, but so dark. I seemed
Speaker 3: to be picking up speed and traveling in a perfectly
Speaker 3: straight line through the void. I felt as if wind
Speaker 3: was blowing across my face. I could see a small
Speaker 3: pinpoint of light that seemed to be growing. I somehow
Speaker 3: knew that this was my destination. I sped along until
Speaker 3: it became a huge mass of beautiful and brilliant white light.
Speaker 3: I stopped short right before reaching it, for I felt
Speaker 3: I was getting too far away from the earth to
Speaker 3: find my way back, and I guess I had a
Speaker 3: feeling that one could equate with homesickness. As I sat there, motionless,
Speaker 3: it seemed as if the light began to float toward me.
Speaker 3: It was not long, and it engulfed me, and I
Speaker 3: felt that I was one with the light. I seemed
Speaker 3: to have knowledge of everything there is to know, and
Speaker 3: it accepted me and loved me as part of it.
Speaker 3: I felt all knowing, just for a few minutes. Suddenly
Speaker 3: everything about my life seemed to make sense now. Craig
Speaker 3: also experienced floating up from his body, looking down, seeing
Speaker 3: the accident as it took place. He had the life
Speaker 3: review transported back to his childhood home, feeling that unconditional love,
Speaker 3: and during his visit, he says, I began to see
Speaker 3: a figure of a man, partially transparent and old in appearance.
Speaker 3: I also noticed five other faces to his left. I
Speaker 3: realized that these spirits or souls seemed to know me
Speaker 3: very well and seemed like some sort of blood relatives
Speaker 3: from my past, but I didn't recognize them. The man
Speaker 3: then explained to me that it was not too late
Speaker 3: to return home, and suddenly I saw a thin orange
Speaker 3: line appear across a black background. It was horizontal and
Speaker 3: seemed to stretch to infinity, on either side of a
Speaker 3: small area that was red, thicker than the rest of
Speaker 3: the band. The voice said, this red area is your life.
Speaker 3: Then a vertical black line cut through the red area
Speaker 3: about a quarter of the way in its length. The
Speaker 3: voice said, if you die today, this is where your
Speaker 3: life will end. But if you choose to live, you
Speaker 3: can see that you have the potential to live another
Speaker 3: three quarters beyond what you have experienced so far. The
Speaker 3: entity then showed me scenes of what would happen if
Speaker 3: I chose to die. I saw my family members in tears.
Speaker 3: I saw images of police cars and ambulance and people
Speaker 3: trying to get a view of what was happening. These
Speaker 3: images were rather unsettling, and I did not want to
Speaker 3: put my family and friends through that. Then the voice
Speaker 3: asked me what I liked about life. I said that
Speaker 3: I loved music. He asked if I had done everything
Speaker 3: with my music that I had wanted to. I answered
Speaker 3: that I hadn't, and told him that I had always
Speaker 3: dreamed of being an opening act for someone famous. The
Speaker 3: voice then said, this place will always be here waiting
Speaker 3: for you, and if you want to stay now, I
Speaker 3: will accept you, but I will be disappointed if you
Speaker 3: do not take this opportunity to go back and explore
Speaker 3: your life. The choice is yours. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: I realized that it was almost going to be a
Speaker 3: personal insult to this figure if I did not choose
Speaker 3: to return to my present life. It was as if
Speaker 3: he was telling me that an earthly existence could be
Speaker 3: so wonderful if I looked at it through the right
Speaker 3: frame of mind. It did not take me long to
Speaker 3: realize that, deep inside, I really wanted to go back
Speaker 3: and live my life to the fullest. Even though this
Speaker 3: place made me feel so good. I felt that I
Speaker 3: could come back here someday, and that I would. But
Speaker 3: there was no rush. I said, okay, and before I
Speaker 3: could get out the words I'm ready, I shot back
Speaker 3: into my body like a lightning Bolt. Craig goes on
Speaker 3: to explain how he came to and how his life
Speaker 3: was changed. You can read this full story, and of
Speaker 3: course hundreds others Lessons from the light Chapter eight is
Speaker 3: titled In the Light of Love, The Lesson of Self Acceptance.
Speaker 3: Author Ken says, of all the teachings in the world,
Speaker 3: the greatest is love, and of all the lessons of
Speaker 3: the near death experiences, none is greater than the importance
Speaker 3: of love. Love is our true nature, and yet why
Speaker 3: do so many of us fail to experience this love
Speaker 3: in our lives and even come to feel so unlovingly
Speaker 3: toward ourselves at times. If we accept the truth of
Speaker 3: the near death experiences chief revelation, it can only be
Speaker 3: that we have lost touch with the source existentially. We
Speaker 3: have fallen out of love, like babies thrust from the
Speaker 3: womb into the cold world. We have forgotten our true home.
Speaker 3: But the teachings of the near death experience now come
Speaker 3: to remind us to reconnect to the source and to
Speaker 3: restore us into the arms of love. Here are some
Speaker 3: stories that I hope will shed a little light on
Speaker 3: how loved we are. In Peggy's near death experience, she says,
Speaker 3: I was shown how much all people are loved. It
Speaker 3: was overwhelmingly evident that the Light loved everyone equally and
Speaker 3: without any conditions. I really want to stress this because
Speaker 3: it made me so happy to know we didn't have
Speaker 3: to believe or do certain things to be loved. We
Speaker 3: already were and are completely loved no matter what. The
Speaker 3: Light was extremely concerned and loving toward all people. I
Speaker 3: can remember looking at people together back on Earth and
Speaker 3: the Light asking me to love the people. I wanted
Speaker 3: to cry. I felt so deeply for them. I thought
Speaker 3: if they could only know how much they're loved, maybe
Speaker 3: they wouldn't feel so scared or lonely anymore. Experience her
Speaker 3: Nancy says, Suddenly I became aware of a light. It
Speaker 3: completely surrounded me. It was an unearthly kind of light.
Speaker 3: It had color that is unmatched here on Earth. It
Speaker 3: was not a beam of sunlight. It was not a
Speaker 3: glow from a one hundred watt bulb. It was not
Speaker 3: a roaring fire. It was not a host of candles.
Speaker 3: It was not a celestial explosion in the midnight sky.
Speaker 3: It was warm, it was radiant, It was peaceful, It
Speaker 3: was accepting. It was forgiving it was completely non judgmental,
Speaker 3: and it gave me a sense of total security, the
Speaker 3: likes of which I have never known. I loved it
Speaker 3: and it loved me. It was perfection. It was total,
Speaker 3: unconditional love. It was anything and everything you would wish
Speaker 3: for on earth. It was all there in the light.
Speaker 3: Moira says, at the time of my experience, I believed
Speaker 3: I was nothing, that everybody else was far better educated
Speaker 3: than I. I was a very shy person in those days.
Speaker 3: I had no skills, and I felt downtrodden and beneath
Speaker 3: other people. But since then, absolutely my whole life has changed.
Speaker 3: It's opened up, and I've become more assertive and more
Speaker 3: aware of who I am. I now realize I am
Speaker 3: a perfect human being in my own right, and I
Speaker 3: don't have to fear anybody else or anything. I'm still
Speaker 3: the same old me, making the same mistakes, but I'm
Speaker 3: much more aware of what's going on and I have
Speaker 3: much more self confidence. Peggy says, it has become my
Speaker 3: whole life to honor that light ingratitude for coming to
Speaker 3: me and loving me when I needed it the most.
Speaker 3: I've got a feeling this is going to be a
Speaker 3: lifetime project. The old me is gone, and every day
Speaker 3: I'm discovering the new me. I don't know what the
Speaker 3: future will bring, but I'm going to do my best
Speaker 3: to stay open for growth and change. I'm grateful to
Speaker 3: the experience, and even though I cannot see the light now,
Speaker 3: I know it is with me. You know what I
Speaker 3: really love about this term the light. It fits for
Speaker 3: all people, whether you're religious or not religious. Some people
Speaker 3: call it the divine, some people call it God. But
Speaker 3: light just seems to cover everything, doesn't it. We know
Speaker 3: the light of the sun gives us life, recharges our batteries,
Speaker 3: allows our food to grow. I heard someone say once
Speaker 3: that religions are like different lamps around the world. And
Speaker 3: of course there's millions of different lamps around the world,
Speaker 3: but there's only one light. So I like that the
Speaker 3: light that loves us, the light that gives us life,
Speaker 3: the light that feeds us and nurtures us, the light
Speaker 3: that heals us, the light that runs through us and
Speaker 3: all around us, and the light that connects us. All
Speaker 3: as I'm talking to you, I realize that the light
Speaker 3: allows me to read from the book Lessons from the Light.
Speaker 3: The light allows me to see on my computer and
Speaker 3: record this for you now. The light allows me to
Speaker 3: see those that I love. It's something we take for granted,
Speaker 3: isn't it? Before we leave each other? Today, I want
Speaker 3: to just share some words that Craig wrote, and I
Speaker 3: believe he speaks for many near death experiencers and it's
Speaker 3: something that I hope we can all hang on to.
Speaker 3: One there is nothing whatsoever to fear about death. Two
Speaker 3: Dying is peaceful and beautiful. Three. Life does not begin
Speaker 3: with birth nor end with death. Four Life is precious.
Speaker 3: Live it to the fullest. Five The body and its
Speaker 3: senses are tremendous gifts. Appreciate them. Six What matters most
Speaker 3: in life is love. Seven. Living a life oriented toward
Speaker 3: materialistic acquisition is missing the point. Eight Cooperation rather than competition,
Speaker 3: makes for a better world. Nine being a bit success
Speaker 3: in life is not all it's cracked up to be.
Speaker 3: And ten seeking knowledge is important because you take that
Speaker 3: with you. A reminder we've been reading from the book
Speaker 3: Lessons from the Light, What near death experiences teach us
Speaker 3: about living in the here and now by Kenneth Ring, PhD.
Speaker 3: And a reminder to come visit me. My home base
Speaker 3: is We Don't Die dot com. You can join our
Speaker 3: Facebook group. One of our online spiritual classes, I offer
Speaker 3: a free Sunday gathering with medium demonstration included. You can
Speaker 3: listen to past episodes, read from my book We Don't Die,
Speaker 3: and so much more. All it we Don't Die dot com.
Speaker 3: This week, remember that light. It runs through you, and
Speaker 3: most importantly, it loves you for just who you are.
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of
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