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Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM paranormal

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Speaker 1: podcast network. Now get ready for another episode of Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've

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Speaker 3: been on a journey to prove the existence of life

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Speaker 3: after death. On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we

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Speaker 3: now know that our loved ones have survived physical debt,

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Speaker 3: and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: When you and I think of near death experience, does

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Speaker 3: the name doctor Raymond Moody come to mind, a lot

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Speaker 3: of people think he really is the main pioneer who

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Speaker 3: first studied them. Doctor Moody is terrific and he's still

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Speaker 3: sharing about the wisdom from near death experiences. And yes,

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Speaker 3: he was the very first to coin the term near

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Speaker 3: death experience. But today I'd like to talk about another pioneer.

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Speaker 3: Many years ago, when I was on my own journey

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Speaker 3: to explore the topic of the afterlife and calm my

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Speaker 3: fears about death, I found a book called Lessons from

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Speaker 3: the Light written by doctor Kenneth Ring. I was bold,

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Speaker 3: found his email address and wrote to him, And what

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Speaker 3: I didn't expect was an ongoing pen pal friendship with

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Speaker 3: this interesting man so passionate about the afterlife and about

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Speaker 3: near death experiences. Doctor Kenneth Ring, or Ken as he'd

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Speaker 3: rather be called, has been around since the early days

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Speaker 3: of the near death experience research back in the mid seventies,

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Speaker 3: and he's also the co founder and past president of

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Speaker 3: the International Association for Near Death Studies, also known as

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Speaker 3: i AMS. Kenneth Ring, PhD, is Professor Emeritus of Psychology

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Speaker 3: at the University of Connecticut and an internationally recognized authority

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Speaker 3: on the subject of near death experiences, which he has

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Speaker 3: written many books, in over one hundred articles, and the

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Speaker 3: founding editor of the Journal of Near Death Studies, now

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Speaker 3: in its thirtieth year. Doctor Ring has appeared on many

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Speaker 3: television and radio programs. Some of the titles of his

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Speaker 3: many books include Mindsight, near death, and out of body Experiences.

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Speaker 3: In the blind, he wrote a light hearted book called

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Speaker 3: Waiting to Die, a Near death Researcher's most humorous reflections

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Speaker 3: on his own end a game. In twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: he published a near death researcher's notebook, What I've Learned

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Speaker 3: About Dying, Death and the Afterlife. And just a few

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Speaker 3: first written almost twenty five years ago, called Lessons from

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Speaker 3: the Light. What near death experiences teach us about living

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Speaker 3: in the here and now. Can I be one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent honest with you? I found out not too long

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Speaker 3: ago that this great man, who is rapidly approaching the

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Speaker 3: age of ninety, is filled with aches and pains and

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Speaker 3: is having a real tough time. It dawned on me

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Speaker 3: that I never featured him as an expert on this show,

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Speaker 3: and I want to dedicate this episode to him. I'd

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Speaker 3: like to read a bit from his book, Lessons from

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Speaker 3: the Light. Unfortunately, my friend Ken is not well enough

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Speaker 3: near death experiences is just as valid today as it

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Speaker 3: share some near death experiences, but so much more than that,

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Speaker 3: to let you know how important your life here on

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Speaker 3: Also the importance of self love, and I don't want

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Speaker 3: doctor Kenneth Ring's work to be lost or forgotten. If

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Speaker 3: you're a book lover like myself, I wholeheartedly recommend that

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Speaker 3: Lessons from the Light. And secretly I'm hoping enough of

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Speaker 3: us listeners get a copy and that it gets back

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Speaker 3: to Ken that he's appreciated and that his life's work matters.

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Speaker 3: Let me read to you now. This is from his

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 3: and on this episode we are featuring the life's work

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Speaker 4: and during World War two, not just with the Jews,

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Speaker 4: but with all the atrocities, you know that man died

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Speaker 4: over fifty years ago. You wonder whether his life review

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Speaker 4: is over yet. Because people say in the near death

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Speaker 4: experience and when they have a life review that they

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Speaker 4: are outside of time, and yet they can process all

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Speaker 4: this information. It's like a learning experience. It's meant to

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Speaker 4: show you something. Because Hitler, obviously is the most extreme

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Speaker 4: case that we can use in the normal case. What

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Speaker 4: people say about the near death experience and what they

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Speaker 4: learn from the life review is it shows them something.

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Speaker 4: It is a teaching It's not something that's meant as

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Speaker 4: a punishment or to scare people, and it's meant to

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Speaker 4: wake people up so that they simply become aware of

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Speaker 4: the consequences in their actions before committing those actions, knowing

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Speaker 3: Well, you're on long Shades of the Afterlife with Sander Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain

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Speaker 3: and we're listening to some words from doctor Kenneth Ring

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Speaker 3: about the near death experience and about the life review.

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Speaker 3: Let's continue.

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Speaker 4: It is a teaching It's not something that's meant as

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00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 4: a punishment or to scare people, and it's meant to

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00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 4: wake people up so that they simply become aware of

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Speaker 4: the consequences of their actions before committing those actions, knowing

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Speaker 4: that they themselves are going to have to be the

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Speaker 4: recipients of them. It says, if there's only one person

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Speaker 4: in the universe, and it's us, it's a total experience

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Speaker 4: that really is a reliving of your life, and that's

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Speaker 4: the term that some people use. It's almost like we

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Speaker 4: go through life with blinders because we're not fully aware

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Speaker 4: at the time or even afterward, of all the effects

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Speaker 4: of our actions, nor do we think that our thoughts

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Speaker 4: and feelings have effects in their own right. But when

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Speaker 4: we go through the life review experience, we have the

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Speaker 4: full picture. We have an almost omniscient understanding of our actions,

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Speaker 4: of why we do the thing that we do, and

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Speaker 4: how they have particular kinds of consequences in the lives,

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Speaker 4: not only of ourselves but of other people. It's a revelation, really,

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Speaker 4: it's a revelation. These experiences, on the face of it,

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Speaker 4: are impossible, but they happen. They happen repeatedly, they can

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Speaker 4: be documented. Many people in different countries tell the same stories,

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Speaker 4: and in some cases, especially in the early days of

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Speaker 4: near death experience research, people thought they might be the

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Speaker 4: only ones in the world that we're having these kinds

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Speaker 4: of experiences. But when you collate these accounts, you see

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Speaker 4: that they form a regular pattern. Now I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: that we can easily explain these experiences. We can, but

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Speaker 4: I think, just to dismiss them as if they don't

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Speaker 4: already happen when they exist in such plenitude, as a

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Speaker 4: kind of ostrich like blindness, it just won't work. People

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Speaker 4: are going to have to begin to pay attention to

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Speaker 4: these experiences in science. They're already paying attention to it

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Speaker 4: outside of science. The near death experience has been around,

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Speaker 4: at least for the time of Rie and Moody's research,

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Speaker 4: since nineteen seventy five. It's here to stay, and people

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Speaker 4: are going to have to reckon with it. Scientists included.

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Speaker 4: The people that I've talked with who have described themselves

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Speaker 4: as skeptics, as agnostics, or as atheists often have difficulty

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Speaker 4: using religious terms afterward, but they know what they've experienced,

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Speaker 4: and the term, which is almost a code word in

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Speaker 4: a certain sense for this is the light. They don't

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Speaker 4: have any difficulty talking about the light, but they might

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Speaker 4: have difficulty talking about God or more obviously religious terms.

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Speaker 4: But if you look at the way they describe the experience,

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Speaker 4: and if you look at the kinds of changes they

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Speaker 4: report in their life and they're opening to spiritual world views,

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Speaker 4: you can see that their previous skepticism or agnosticism or

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Speaker 4: even atheism has been eroded to such an extent that

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Speaker 4: it virtually dissolves and they become very spiritually oriented people too.

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Speaker 4: There's so many things that are associated with this light.

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Speaker 4: It's almost impossible even to give a verbal description of

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Speaker 4: it that that's in any way adequate. I think even

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Speaker 4: the powers of a Dante Frankly would be insufficient to

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Speaker 4: be able to describe what's in this light. Yes, there

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Speaker 4: is an credible intelligence, there is an energy associated with

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Speaker 4: this light. There is a feeling of love beyond this world,

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Speaker 4: but almost an absolute love. And that when people have

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Speaker 4: the experience of the light, it isn't that they become

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Speaker 4: aware of these dimensions. It become absorbed in them and

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Speaker 4: they understand that they are made of that light. You know,

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Speaker 4: the light is not something that is other. It's that

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Speaker 4: they merge with the light and that energy and that intelligence,

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Speaker 4: and that love ensueses itself into you. And that's why

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Speaker 4: I think when people come back from this radiant experience,

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Speaker 4: they're almost like beings of light themselves. I mean, to

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Speaker 4: the extent that they can remove their ego draws, then

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Speaker 4: the light that they experience during their own near death

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Speaker 4: encounter shines through them. I think that's why they are

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Speaker 4: so compassionate, so loving, and why they have this kind

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Speaker 4: of knowledge, because the light is an energy and intelligence

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Speaker 4: which can be absorbed in the near death experience. Even

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Speaker 4: if a person can't consciously understand what has happened to

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Speaker 4: him or her, nevertheless, that absorption takes place and is

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Speaker 4: somehow reflected in their daily conduct and in their consciousness

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Speaker 4: when they come back from the experience. I remember this

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Speaker 4: particular man, and he had a very unusual experience because

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Speaker 4: when he went into the light, he had a question

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Speaker 4: and he said, what are you really? You know, what

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Speaker 4: is this? What are you? And he said that he

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Speaker 4: was not enabled to enter into the light, but he

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Speaker 4: passed through the light, and when he looked back on

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Speaker 4: the light, he saw it was almost like a constellation

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Speaker 4: of human souls, that it was everybody's higher sell. Again,

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Speaker 4: that had a tremendous effect on this particular individual. But

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Speaker 4: his experience went deeper than most. And in one chapter

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Speaker 4: I knowed with Lessons from the Light, I present some

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Speaker 4: cases like his, of the most complex near death experiences

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Speaker 4: that I discovered in the course of my research. And

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Speaker 4: in all of these, although I don't have many of them,

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Speaker 4: as with this man. People go into and then through

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Speaker 4: the light, and they seem to go almost as if

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Speaker 4: on a journey through the universe, and they get to

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Speaker 4: a second light. They get to something that seems to

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Speaker 4: be the primordial light, or the light of creation, or

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Speaker 4: the light of God. I don't even know what terms

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Speaker 4: are adequate to describe it. This man was one of

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Speaker 4: those who had something more like the full near death experience,

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Speaker 4: although obviously he never died, but he penetrated further than

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Speaker 4: most people ever have an opportunity to do. I think

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Speaker 4: what we have here in this world. We have a

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Speaker 4: sense of division and separation. We are many bodies, but

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Speaker 4: in the light no pun intended of the near death experience,

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Speaker 4: you realize that there's only one being and we are

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Speaker 4: all connected to it. It's as if that primordial light

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Speaker 4: that I was talking about is that's where we really belong,

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Speaker 4: that's where we really are. And so many people say,

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Speaker 4: even when they enter into the experience of the light,

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Speaker 4: I was home. One man said, this is where I

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Speaker 4: always was and always will be, and my life on

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Speaker 4: earth was just a brief instant. So it's like, in

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Speaker 4: this brief instant that we call life, of course, which

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Speaker 4: seems to expand. It seems to be the totality of it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's maybe all that we are aware of.

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Speaker 4: But when we have the near death experience, we realize

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Speaker 4: this life is just a flicker, and where we really

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Speaker 4: are and where we truly have our being is in

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Speaker 4: that priority of light, and there we are truly all one.

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Speaker 4: We are truly all one anyway, but we have the

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Speaker 4: realization that we are one. We know it. It's not

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Speaker 4: just an intellectual conviction. To me, the near death experience

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Speaker 4: is a type of mystical experience that's brought about by

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Speaker 4: the proximity of death. Its essences no different from a

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Speaker 4: mystical experience. The only thing that's different about it are

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Speaker 4: the circumstances that bring it into a person's awareness. And

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Speaker 4: it's almost as if we're having an influx of mystical

599
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Speaker 4: experience these days because of the availability of resuscitation technology

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Speaker 4: that brings many people back from the break of death

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Speaker 4: and enables them to relate these stories to people like myself,

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Speaker 4: to people who are broadcasters of them, so that people

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Speaker 4: understand that the mystical worldview is one that really can

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Speaker 4: be reached from a number of different perspectives or avenues

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Speaker 4: I could say, which the near death experience has only one,

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Speaker 4: But it teaches the same thing as traditional mystical experiences

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Speaker 4: I've taught us. I think many people who have taken

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Speaker 4: the trouble to study, or to read about, or just

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Speaker 4: inform themselves about near death experiences can see the implications

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Speaker 4: of them are very large, and this is what I

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Speaker 4: try to bring out in my books and in my

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Speaker 4: talks generally. But my attitude towards the near death experience

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Speaker 4: has always been invitational. I don't think it has any

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Speaker 4: one truth or any one perspective that it ineftively leads to.

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Speaker 4: My approach has always been to invite people to consider

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Speaker 4: the near death experience and come to their own conclusions.

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Speaker 4: But I know that whatever their confusions might be, the

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Speaker 4: exploration of these experiences will be richly rewarding. And it's

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Speaker 4: almost universal that near death experiences say I know that

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Speaker 4: my life has a purpose. I know that life has

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Speaker 4: a meaning. Purpose. A sense of meaning is so much

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Speaker 4: a part of this experience that it cannot be extracted,

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Speaker 4: it can't be doubted. It's an inextricable part of the

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Speaker 4: near death experience, and people who study it will understand

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Speaker 4: that if those experiences give us a sense of meaning,

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Speaker 4: then even those of us who haven't had the experience

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Speaker 4: can be void up by the fact that there is

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Speaker 4: meaning and purpose to our world.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Ken. If we could talk to Ken Ring today,

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Speaker 3: if he was feeling better, those words would be just

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Speaker 3: as true as when he spoke them over twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: You know, on my earliest days, when I was a

633
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Speaker 3: hardcore skeptic, I just said, the white light must be

634
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Speaker 3: just what happens when the brain shuts down. I had

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Speaker 3: no idea that there were people like Elizabeth Koobler Ross,

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Speaker 3: doctor Raymond Moody, doctor Kenneth Ring, and so many more

637
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Speaker 3: who dedicated their lives to studying near death experiences and

638
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Speaker 3: making a difference. And don't you just love the description

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00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: of the light, no matter what religion you belonged to,

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Speaker 3: or even if you don't believe at all an all

641
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: encompassing light of love, It's incredible. Doctor Ring has a

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Speaker 3: whole chapter in his book Lessons from the Light on

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Speaker 3: eyeless vision near death experiences in the blind. He and

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Speaker 3: his team studied over thirty people, many of them blind

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Speaker 3: from birth, and they had something called mindsight during these experiences.

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Speaker 3: Here's one of them. Vicky was blind from birth. She says,

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Speaker 3: the first thing I was really aware of is that

648
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Speaker 3: I was up on the ceiling and I heard this

649
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Speaker 3: doctor talking. It was a male doctor, and I looked

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Speaker 3: down and I saw my body, and at first I

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Speaker 3: wasn't sure that it was my own, but I recognized

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Speaker 3: my hair. It was very long, it was down to

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Speaker 3: my waist, and part of it had to be shaved off.

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Speaker 3: And I remember being so upset about that. I knew

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Speaker 3: too all of the feelings those in the room were having.

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Speaker 3: From up there on the ceiling, I could tell they

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Speaker 3: were very concerned. I could see them working on this body.

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Speaker 3: I could see that my head was cut open. I

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Speaker 3: could see a lot of blood. I tried to communicate

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Speaker 3: to the doctor and nurse, but of course they could

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Speaker 3: not hear me. Then I went up through the roof,

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Speaker 3: and that was astounding. I felt a sense of upward motion.

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00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: I was above the hospital looking down. I saw lights

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Speaker 3: and the streets down below. I was very confused about that.

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Speaker 3: At that point, Vicki began to ascend at a tremendous speed,

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Speaker 3: and she felt as if she was sucked into a

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Speaker 3: tube and propelled toward a light. She heard an enchanting

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Speaker 3: harmony of a wood chime like music, and throughout all

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Speaker 3: of this she reports being able to see. She found

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Speaker 3: herself in an illuminated field covered with flowers, seeing too Chill,

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Speaker 3: long deceased, who had befriended her when they were all

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Speaker 3: in school for the blind together. They were both profoundly handicapped,

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Speaker 3: but in this state they appeared vital, healthy, and without

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Speaker 3: their earthly handicaps. She felt a welcoming love from them

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Speaker 3: and tried to move toward them. She also saw other

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Speaker 3: people that she had known in her life who had

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Speaker 3: since died, such as her caretakers and her grandmother. Vicki

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Speaker 3: saw a figure who she thought to be Jesus, who

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Speaker 3: told her it was important to learn the lessons of

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Speaker 3: loving and forgiving, And at that point she found herself

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Speaker 3: back in her body, which she entered almost as if

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Speaker 3: slamming into it, she said, and experienced the heavy, dullness

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Speaker 3: and intense pain of her physical being. It's time for

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Speaker 3: the break, and we will come back with more stories.

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Speaker 3: From Lessons from the Light by doctor Kenneth Ring. You're

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Speaker 3: our episode today, we are featuring words from afterlife pioneer

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Speaker 3: doctor Kenneth Ring and featuring his newly re released book

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Speaker 3: Lessons from the Light. What near death experiences teach us

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Speaker 3: about living in the here and now And a special

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Speaker 3: word to doctor ken on behalf of myself and listeners

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Speaker 3: of Shades of the Afterlife, we will do everything possible

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Speaker 3: prayers and healing, smiles, laughter and joy all that you

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Speaker 3: have given us. On our final segment today, I'd like

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Speaker 3: to read more near death experiences and include some lessons

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Speaker 3: from the Light on self love. I have a sneaky

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Speaker 3: suspicion that you like me and everyone I've ever met.

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Speaker 3: It's easy for us to love others, but how easy

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Speaker 3: is it for us to love ourselves? What if we

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Speaker 3: don't have to go through a near death experience to

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Speaker 3: have self love in our life? In Craig's NDE, he says,

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Speaker 3: I felt myself moving through a dark void. It felt

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00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: like it was a tunnel, but so dark. I seemed

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00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: to be picking up speed and traveling in a perfectly

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00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: straight line through the void. I felt as if wind

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00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: was blowing across my face. I could see a small

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Speaker 3: pinpoint of light that seemed to be growing. I somehow

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Speaker 3: knew that this was my destination. I sped along until

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Speaker 3: it became a huge mass of beautiful and brilliant white light.

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Speaker 3: I stopped short right before reaching it, for I felt

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Speaker 3: I was getting too far away from the earth to

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Speaker 3: find my way back, and I guess I had a

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Speaker 3: feeling that one could equate with homesickness. As I sat there, motionless,

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Speaker 3: it seemed as if the light began to float toward me.

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Speaker 3: It was not long, and it engulfed me, and I

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00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: felt that I was one with the light. I seemed

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Speaker 3: to have knowledge of everything there is to know, and

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Speaker 3: it accepted me and loved me as part of it.

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Speaker 3: I felt all knowing, just for a few minutes. Suddenly

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Speaker 3: everything about my life seemed to make sense now. Craig

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Speaker 3: also experienced floating up from his body, looking down, seeing

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Speaker 3: the accident as it took place. He had the life

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Speaker 3: review transported back to his childhood home, feeling that unconditional love,

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Speaker 3: and during his visit, he says, I began to see

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Speaker 3: a figure of a man, partially transparent and old in appearance.

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Speaker 3: I also noticed five other faces to his left. I

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Speaker 3: realized that these spirits or souls seemed to know me

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Speaker 3: very well and seemed like some sort of blood relatives

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00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 3: from my past, but I didn't recognize them. The man

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Speaker 3: then explained to me that it was not too late

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00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 3: to return home, and suddenly I saw a thin orange

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00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: line appear across a black background. It was horizontal and

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00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: seemed to stretch to infinity, on either side of a

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Speaker 3: small area that was red, thicker than the rest of

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Speaker 3: the band. The voice said, this red area is your life.

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Speaker 3: Then a vertical black line cut through the red area

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Speaker 3: about a quarter of the way in its length. The

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Speaker 3: voice said, if you die today, this is where your

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Speaker 3: life will end. But if you choose to live, you

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Speaker 3: can see that you have the potential to live another

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Speaker 3: three quarters beyond what you have experienced so far. The

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Speaker 3: entity then showed me scenes of what would happen if

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Speaker 3: I chose to die. I saw my family members in tears.

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Speaker 3: I saw images of police cars and ambulance and people

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Speaker 3: trying to get a view of what was happening. These

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Speaker 3: images were rather unsettling, and I did not want to

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Speaker 3: put my family and friends through that. Then the voice

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Speaker 3: asked me what I liked about life. I said that

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Speaker 3: I loved music. He asked if I had done everything

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Speaker 3: with my music that I had wanted to. I answered

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Speaker 3: that I hadn't, and told him that I had always

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00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: dreamed of being an opening act for someone famous. The

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Speaker 3: voice then said, this place will always be here waiting

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Speaker 3: for you, and if you want to stay now, I

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00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: will accept you, but I will be disappointed if you

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Speaker 3: do not take this opportunity to go back and explore

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Speaker 3: your life. The choice is yours. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: I realized that it was almost going to be a

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00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: personal insult to this figure if I did not choose

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Speaker 3: to return to my present life. It was as if

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Speaker 3: he was telling me that an earthly existence could be

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Speaker 3: so wonderful if I looked at it through the right

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Speaker 3: frame of mind. It did not take me long to

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Speaker 3: realize that, deep inside, I really wanted to go back

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Speaker 3: and live my life to the fullest. Even though this

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00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: place made me feel so good. I felt that I

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Speaker 3: could come back here someday, and that I would. But

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Speaker 3: there was no rush. I said, okay, and before I

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Speaker 3: could get out the words I'm ready, I shot back

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00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: into my body like a lightning Bolt. Craig goes on

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Speaker 3: to explain how he came to and how his life

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Speaker 3: was changed. You can read this full story, and of

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Speaker 3: course hundreds others Lessons from the light Chapter eight is

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Speaker 3: titled In the Light of Love, The Lesson of Self Acceptance.

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Speaker 3: Author Ken says, of all the teachings in the world,

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Speaker 3: the greatest is love, and of all the lessons of

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Speaker 3: the near death experiences, none is greater than the importance

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Speaker 3: of love. Love is our true nature, and yet why

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Speaker 3: do so many of us fail to experience this love

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00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: in our lives and even come to feel so unlovingly

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Speaker 3: toward ourselves at times. If we accept the truth of

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Speaker 3: the near death experiences chief revelation, it can only be

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Speaker 3: that we have lost touch with the source existentially. We

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00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: have fallen out of love, like babies thrust from the

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Speaker 3: womb into the cold world. We have forgotten our true home.

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00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: But the teachings of the near death experience now come

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00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 3: to remind us to reconnect to the source and to

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Speaker 3: restore us into the arms of love. Here are some

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Speaker 3: stories that I hope will shed a little light on

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Speaker 3: how loved we are. In Peggy's near death experience, she says,

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Speaker 3: I was shown how much all people are loved. It

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Speaker 3: was overwhelmingly evident that the Light loved everyone equally and

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Speaker 3: without any conditions. I really want to stress this because

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00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: it made me so happy to know we didn't have

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Speaker 3: to believe or do certain things to be loved. We

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00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: already were and are completely loved no matter what. The

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Speaker 3: Light was extremely concerned and loving toward all people. I

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00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: can remember looking at people together back on Earth and

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Speaker 3: the Light asking me to love the people. I wanted

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Speaker 3: to cry. I felt so deeply for them. I thought

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Speaker 3: if they could only know how much they're loved, maybe

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't feel so scared or lonely anymore. Experience her

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Speaker 3: Nancy says, Suddenly I became aware of a light. It

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Speaker 3: completely surrounded me. It was an unearthly kind of light.

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Speaker 3: It had color that is unmatched here on Earth. It

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Speaker 3: was not a beam of sunlight. It was not a

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Speaker 3: glow from a one hundred watt bulb. It was not

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Speaker 3: a roaring fire. It was not a host of candles.

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Speaker 3: It was not a celestial explosion in the midnight sky.

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Speaker 3: It was warm, it was radiant, It was peaceful, It

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00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: was accepting. It was forgiving it was completely non judgmental,

834
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Speaker 3: and it gave me a sense of total security, the

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00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: likes of which I have never known. I loved it

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Speaker 3: and it loved me. It was perfection. It was total,

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Speaker 3: unconditional love. It was anything and everything you would wish

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00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 3: for on earth. It was all there in the light.

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Speaker 3: Moira says, at the time of my experience, I believed

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Speaker 3: I was nothing, that everybody else was far better educated

841
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: than I. I was a very shy person in those days.

842
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: I had no skills, and I felt downtrodden and beneath

843
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: other people. But since then, absolutely my whole life has changed.

844
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 3: It's opened up, and I've become more assertive and more

845
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 3: aware of who I am. I now realize I am

846
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Speaker 3: a perfect human being in my own right, and I

847
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: don't have to fear anybody else or anything. I'm still

848
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: the same old me, making the same mistakes, but I'm

849
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: much more aware of what's going on and I have

850
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 3: much more self confidence. Peggy says, it has become my

851
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 3: whole life to honor that light ingratitude for coming to

852
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: me and loving me when I needed it the most.

853
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 3: I've got a feeling this is going to be a

854
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Speaker 3: lifetime project. The old me is gone, and every day

855
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: I'm discovering the new me. I don't know what the

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00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 3: future will bring, but I'm going to do my best

857
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: to stay open for growth and change. I'm grateful to

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00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: the experience, and even though I cannot see the light now,

859
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: I know it is with me. You know what I

860
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: really love about this term the light. It fits for

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Speaker 3: all people, whether you're religious or not religious. Some people

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Speaker 3: call it the divine, some people call it God. But

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Speaker 3: light just seems to cover everything, doesn't it. We know

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Speaker 3: the light of the sun gives us life, recharges our batteries,

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Speaker 3: allows our food to grow. I heard someone say once

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Speaker 3: that religions are like different lamps around the world. And

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Speaker 3: of course there's millions of different lamps around the world,

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Speaker 3: but there's only one light. So I like that the

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Speaker 3: light that loves us, the light that gives us life,

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Speaker 3: the light that feeds us and nurtures us, the light

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Speaker 3: that heals us, the light that runs through us and

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Speaker 3: all around us, and the light that connects us. All

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Speaker 3: as I'm talking to you, I realize that the light

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Speaker 3: allows me to read from the book Lessons from the Light.

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Speaker 3: The light allows me to see on my computer and

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Speaker 3: record this for you now. The light allows me to

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Speaker 3: see those that I love. It's something we take for granted,

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Speaker 3: isn't it? Before we leave each other? Today, I want

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Speaker 3: to just share some words that Craig wrote, and I

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Speaker 3: believe he speaks for many near death experiencers and it's

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Speaker 3: something that I hope we can all hang on to.

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Speaker 3: One there is nothing whatsoever to fear about death. Two

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Speaker 3: Dying is peaceful and beautiful. Three. Life does not begin

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Speaker 3: with birth nor end with death. Four Life is precious.

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Speaker 3: Live it to the fullest. Five The body and its

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Speaker 3: senses are tremendous gifts. Appreciate them. Six What matters most

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Speaker 3: in life is love. Seven. Living a life oriented toward

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Speaker 3: materialistic acquisition is missing the point. Eight Cooperation rather than competition,

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Speaker 3: makes for a better world. Nine being a bit success

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Speaker 3: And ten seeking knowledge is important because you take that

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Speaker 3: with you. A reminder we've been reading from the book

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Speaker 3: Lessons from the Light, What near death experiences teach us

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Speaker 3: about living in the here and now by Kenneth Ring, PhD.

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Speaker 3: And a reminder to come visit me. My home base

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Speaker 3: is We Don't Die dot com. You can join our

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Speaker 3: Facebook group. One of our online spiritual classes, I offer

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Speaker 3: a free Sunday gathering with medium demonstration included. You can

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Speaker 3: listen to past episodes, read from my book We Don't Die,

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Speaker 3: and so much more. All it we Don't Die dot com.

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Speaker 3: This week, remember that light. It runs through you, and

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Speaker 3: most importantly, it loves you for just who you are.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of

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