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Speaker 1: And welcome in lakeg is Live. It is Tuesday Night,

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Speaker 1: December twentieth year, Our Lord twenty twenty two more voices

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Speaker 1: on tonight's show, probably than the past year combined, momentarily,

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Speaker 1: even though he's sitting here right now alongside twenty four

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Speaker 1: seven Sports Director of Scouting Andrew Ivans. I'm Josh Paper

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Speaker 1: jam Packed. We're high a top, surprisingly and also rainy

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Speaker 1: downtown Nashville, Tennessee. It is It's not Nashville. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's Fort Lauderdale. It just looks the same as Nashville's

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Speaker 1: look National Signing Day Eve. We're finally here. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: give you everything you could possibly need to know before

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Speaker 1: head hits pillow tonight, and then we'll be at it

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Speaker 1: for like twenty eight hours straight tomorrow. Who's about to

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Speaker 1: make a move? Classes to keep an eye on, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Some wild trends to watch. I guess some numbers that

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Speaker 1: blew our mind today, so I'm pretty sure they're gonna

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Speaker 1: blow your mind. Also, the Paid State Speaker series begins tonight.

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Speaker 1: dive into National Signing Day. Andrew Ivans here, we're in

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Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale. We've got a full slate ahead tomorrow. If

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Speaker 1: you're not already, make sure you subscribed to the twenty

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Speaker 1: wall to wall coverage is gonna be tomorrow. But I

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Speaker 1: want to start with this and let's zoom it out

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Speaker 1: and then we'll zoom in as time goes on. Tonight

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Speaker 1: is we were looking at some of the trends and

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Speaker 1: some of the numbers as we're heading into this National

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Speaker 1: Signing Day. It's a far cry from what it was

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Speaker 1: like even five years ago, but especially if you grew

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Speaker 1: up on like late nineties, early two thousands recruiting and

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Speaker 1: that's your wheelhouse. I'm gonna throw out a number and

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Speaker 1: I want you to react to it and tell me

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Speaker 1: why this is the case of the top two four seven.

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Speaker 1: Right now, ninety two percent of those kids are already committed.

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Speaker 1: And it's not February. We're talking about before the early

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Speaker 1: signing day ninety two, and that numbers is going to fluctuate,

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Speaker 1: But around ninety two percent of the kids already committed.

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Speaker 1: That's the what I want to ask you, Andrew Ivans,

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Speaker 1: Why is that the case?

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Speaker 2: I got two theories, all right. The first one is

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Speaker 2: this current nil landscape. I think with the collectives, these

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Speaker 2: schools figuring out different packages, they have as much leverage

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Speaker 2: as ever. Right, they can twist some arms, get guys

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Speaker 2: So I think guys have made decisions a lot earlier.

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Speaker 2: I also think schools with the transfer portal current landscape

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Speaker 2: with college football in general, with these transfer portal windows,

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Speaker 2: the movement the one time transfer schools want to know

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Speaker 2: what they have to go and get out in the portal.

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Speaker 2: Is it a veteran at this position as a veteran

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Speaker 2: it's the whole nil stuff. An example, I'll give you

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Speaker 2: Mark Fletcher, Top two four to seven running back. He

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Speaker 2: He's gonna sign with Miami. I think in years past

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Speaker 2: he's announcing on Wednesday. I'm probably on our show, but

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Speaker 2: Hey, we need to know now or maybe what we've

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Speaker 1: It's wild man, when you insert nil, when you insert

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Speaker 1: certainly never on the scale that it happens now. And

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Speaker 1: using the methodology that we're using now, I don't have

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Speaker 1: you like Andrew Ivan's four star linebacker. I like you

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Speaker 1: at Peyton State, but I like you tonight. I don't

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Speaker 2: You're managing a salary cap, right, fluctuating scale by position.

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Speaker 1: a lot of kids take their official visits in the summer.

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Speaker 1: It used to be I mean, you know this as

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Speaker 3: Well, think about it like this, You used to want

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Speaker 2: I mean, what if you're playing in a bowl game.

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Speaker 2: Now we saw it with Florida. They were out in

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Speaker 1: Here's what's fun. So I know a lot of people

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought tomorrow morning was all about Caden Proctor,

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Speaker 2: so that kind of took a little little out of this. Alabama,

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Speaker 2: we've crunched the numbers with the class calculator. It seems

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Speaker 2: how good can that class get? We'll see it could

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Speaker 2: be Nick Saban's best class ever. But they're probably going

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Speaker 2: you know, Cooper, other people in the company call me

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Speaker 2: the Prince of Florida down here in the Sunshine State.

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Speaker 2: But the Big Three, I think there's a ton of

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Speaker 3: They're battling for some guys.

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Speaker 3: Battling for some guys. I mean, there's a ton of

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Speaker 2: And you got all these powerful recruiters that were brought

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Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a ton of storylines and

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Speaker 2: a ton of drama in the Sunshine State tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyone who watches this show knows this is

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Speaker 1: a pretty familiar theme. On Lake Kate. We talked about

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Speaker 1: in state recruiting in Cali, Texas and Florida, and you

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Speaker 1: may think, yeah, big deal, everyone talks about those states.

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Speaker 1: We were just upstairs before we came down here to

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Cayden Proctor, big time five star offensive tackle. You just

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Speaker 1: mentioned him. He was committed to Iowa as of today,

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Speaker 1: no longer, he's committed to Alabama, gonna sign with Alabama tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: And then you said, that's not Nick Saban's fault, man,

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Speaker 1: that's Mario Christaball's fault. And that makes no sense to

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Speaker 1: someone who does not follow at a more granular level. Right,

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Speaker 1: the dominoes in college football recruiting. So lay it out

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Speaker 1: in Paradeatael. How does Bama flipping a five star tackle

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Speaker 2: pissed off that Miami hired Mario Cristaball, and I'm pissed

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Speaker 2: Mario Cristaball was brought to Miami to win some big

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Speaker 2: Francis malagoa kid at IMG Academy in the past. That

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Speaker 2: Now Mario Crystal Ball's got him Sampson Oakenlola up in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: There was a time when we thought he might end

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Speaker 2: Florida with Billy Napier and in Miami and Mario Cristobal.

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Speaker 2: So Mario is a is a offensive line coach at heart.

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Speaker 2: He's also a guy that understands recruiting is the lifeline

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Speaker 2: of your program. He's a tireless recruiter. We talk about

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Speaker 2: and he's taken guys that Bama normally gets, and he's

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Speaker 2: we're a little bit depleted on the offensive line, like

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Speaker 2: we think Caden Proctor might have to play in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three. As crazy as that sounds, Alabama is down

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Speaker 2: on numbers. So when they went to look, hey, what

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Speaker 1: The guy they.

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Speaker 2: Circled wasn't Francis Malagoa at that traditional Alabama stronghold IMG Academy. No,

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Speaker 2: they went into Caden Proctor there in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to reiterate now, you may think

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Speaker 1: to yourself, watching the show tonight recruiting, I could take

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Speaker 1: it or leave it. I just care when the games

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Speaker 1: start in the fall. Well, I guarantee you, even if

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Speaker 1: you are of that mentality, there's a large swath of

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Speaker 1: five years, I'm tired of Clemson always being near the top.

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Speaker 1: Tarnabo Ohio State, and you're always being near the top.

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Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, if you dive into

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Speaker 1: the rosters, there's a whole lot of South Florida on it.

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Speaker 1: There's a whole lot of State of Florida on it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking at our twenty four seven sports team

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Speaker 2: a bunch of others. Bo Hughley top T four to

432
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Speaker 2: seven offensive tackle from Georgia. Well, it sounds like Malachai Coleman.

433
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Speaker 2: According to Steve Wiltfong, he might end up committing.

434
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Speaker 3: Back to Nebraska.

435
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Speaker 2: That's a kid right there in Lincoln Vacari Swain doesn't

436
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Speaker 2: look like, hey, he's gonna flip. He might stick with

437
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Speaker 2: South Carolina and bo Hughley. According to Rusty manziel Over

438
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Speaker 2: at Dogs two four seven, he expects bo Hughley to

439
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Speaker 2: sign with the Bulldogs. So, yes, maybe there's some other

440
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Speaker 2: big ones out there. We thought Dion was going to

441
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Speaker 2: have this huge surprise, right We're going to see another

442
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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter. And there might be one out there. I

443
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 2: mean we were sitting in the war room. We've gone

444
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Speaker 2: through our top one hundred. Hey, who could Dion be

445
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Speaker 2: quietly working behind the scenes. Richard Young for example, uh,

446
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,680
Speaker 2: a top five running back in this class, longtime Alabama

447
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 2: committe He's from that Fort Myers area, you know, Deon

448
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 2: Sanders is from from there. Could he be the guy

449
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Speaker 2: that Dion shocks us with tomorrow? On Wednesday maybe Zachariah

450
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Speaker 2: Branch is one where I put the ten ten foil

451
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Speaker 2: hat on. His grandfather, Cliff Branch, played at Colorado. I

452
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Speaker 2: don't think that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be. It's got to be a name

454
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Speaker 1: that comes out of nowhere, right. It may, it may

455
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Speaker 1: not preppy.

456
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Speaker 3: What if that doesn't happen.

457
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Speaker 1: No, if it doesn't happen, that's an entirely different road.

458
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Speaker 1: And here's what's crazy, and I literally think it's crazy.

459
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Speaker 1: But possible is if nothing happens tomorrow, if it's just

460
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 1: kind of a fizzle instead of obeying, you will have

461
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Speaker 1: people totally unfairly, but you will have people already talking

462
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Speaker 1: about Dion Sanders and casting early judgment. Probably the same

463
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Speaker 1: crowd that told you Brian Kelly wouldn't be able to

464
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Speaker 1: recruit at LSU will have dumped that narrative and they

465
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Speaker 1: will have adopted the new narrative of well, Dion had

466
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Speaker 1: two weeks. You know, if you can't put together sinning

467
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Speaker 1: class in two weeks, then.

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Speaker 2: I think you got to point out Colorado has never

469
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Speaker 2: finished with a recruiting class ranked higher than or lower

470
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Speaker 2: than thirty fifth.

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Speaker 1: Better than thirty fifth and that's with entire cycles. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to work.

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Speaker 3: Instead in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: I just think, you know, if Dion was somewhere else,

475
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Speaker 2: it'd be a lot easier. Right, Colorado's kind of in

476
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Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere. I mean, for some of the

477
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Speaker 2: guys that he's gone after in the Southeast, and we've

478
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Speaker 2: seen him try to tap into the West coast. It's

479
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Speaker 2: I think maybe this is a little bit more difficult

480
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Speaker 2: than we thought. Now give him a full year and

481
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to do great in the transfer portal.

482
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Speaker 2: He's gonna get guys from the junior college ranks. He's

483
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Speaker 2: been very active there as well. But I'm just I

484
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Speaker 2: don't know if I see some big surprise and I

485
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Speaker 2: could be eat my words. I could be clipped right

486
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Speaker 2: now by Colorado's football department tomorrow.

487
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Speaker 1: But we'll see.

488
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Speaker 2: It's certainly more interesting I think waking up tomorrow not

489
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Speaker 1: You got there, I asked you what you wanted. You said, collaborations.

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Speaker 1: right now, Cole Kubrick joining us right around Christmas time? Sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you today?

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Speaker 4: Merry Christmas? I'm great.

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Speaker 5: I'm wondering what's up with the black T shirt? Does

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Speaker 5: that signified death of the show now that you're having

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Speaker 5: me on as a guest, Well, I don't understand what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a good question. It's personal. Didn't really want

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Speaker 1: you to go there, but it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: So the only time I wear white is when we're

560
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Speaker 1: doing the classical show, and this is anything but classical.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you cornered me in a lobby one time

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Speaker 1: and said, why are you better than everyone? Why don't

563
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Speaker 1: you have a co host? Well, look, that's why you

564
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Speaker 1: wear a white T shirt every day. It's like a

565
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Speaker 1: lot of people have asked me those questions. Why did

566
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Speaker 1: you go to six grade three years in a row?

567
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Speaker 1: The black shirt is what we wear every other time.

568
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Speaker 1: Nebraska really doesn't have the black shirts anymore, but we do,

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Speaker 1: and there's tradition. We stick with it.

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Speaker 4: Thoughts, I love it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no alternate uniform. It's big and recruiting these days.

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Speaker 5: The kids love it. It gives you something to get

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Speaker 5: excited about. It gives you something to look forward to.

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Speaker 5: I felt like Pete State would be a little bit

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Speaker 5: more traditional, but I understand it's the new era of

576
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Speaker 5: college football. So you do what you got to do

577
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Speaker 5: to be successful.

578
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Speaker 1: But look, at least I'm not one of these dudes

579
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Speaker 1: running around trying to tell you about how meaningless bullseason is. Okay,

580
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Speaker 1: cause we don't use that kind of vernacular around here.

581
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Speaker 1: You've done ball games, right, You already did one Bowl game?

582
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Speaker 1: You got any more coming up?

583
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Speaker 4: Did Linding Tree Bowl Radio?

584
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Speaker 5: I've got Alamobule with Tom and Jordan on TV, and

585
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Speaker 5: I'll be in the booth for the Sugar Bowl Alabama

586
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Speaker 5: k State as well. So yes, I had a couple more.

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Speaker 5: And no, we don't allow that in my house either.

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Speaker 5: Now we don't run a university in my house like

589
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Speaker 5: you do yours. But I can't handle the people that

590
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Speaker 5: say bowl games are meetingless. I just I won't allow it.

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Speaker 5: I can't deal with it.

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Speaker 4: First and foremost is a player. I can tell you

593
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Speaker 4: that it was big.

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Speaker 5: For us to be able to go to bowl games

595
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Speaker 5: and actually had less to do about the games themselves,

596
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Speaker 5: had a lot more to do with the experience of

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Speaker 5: being there. We went to the pooland weed Eater Independence

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Speaker 5: Bowl my freshman year at Auburn, found a way to

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Speaker 5: get past arm me and don't really remember much from

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Speaker 5: the game, but I could tell that I saw Vanilla

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Speaker 5: Ice performed twice in Treeport that week.

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Speaker 4: We'll never forget that.

603
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Speaker 5: Made my first trip onto a casino boat May or

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Speaker 5: may not have had a friend who had a friend

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Speaker 5: who was in the army that was also a Caucasian

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Speaker 5: white male and their identification was mistaken for my own.

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Speaker 5: Went to the Peach Bowl in Atlanta, hung out with

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Speaker 5: a bunch of dudes from Georgia, got to experience the

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Speaker 5: Atlanta nightlife.

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Speaker 4: Went to the Citrus Bowl my senior year. Don't know

611
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Speaker 4: if I was ever going to feed.

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Speaker 5: Shamou again at another point in life, but I was

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Speaker 5: able to do that. There did Disney all of Christmas

614
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Speaker 5: Day with my teammates, and those are I mean, those

615
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 5: are the things that you remember with the bowl game.

616
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 5: Nowadays they get PlayStation eleven's and all the other stuff,

617
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Speaker 5: so it's even more beneficial to go. But the extra

618
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Speaker 5: practice time is big for a younger player. The waiver

619
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Speaker 5: that the NCAA just threw in. Now guys can play

620
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Speaker 5: in the Bowl and I have to worry about a

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Speaker 5: red shirt season. And I'll tell you that Lending Tree Bowl,

622
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Speaker 5: like Frank Or Junior, he puts the nail on the

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Speaker 5: coffin that game, that entire Southern mist sideline is going bananas.

624
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Speaker 5: Frank Gor Junior is running up and down the sideline,

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Speaker 5: his Dad's there. His auntie, I guess was there. We

626
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 5: saw her after the game. Those kids are related going crazy.

627
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Speaker 5: When Rice bounces back in early the second half, They're

628
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Speaker 5: jumping up and down, going nuts, going bananas. I'm sitting

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Speaker 5: there and all I could ever think of is, oh,

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Speaker 5: but these are meeting lessen these don't These have no meeting.

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Speaker 5: It's an opportunity to play football, to put pads on

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Speaker 5: and play live tackle football. And no matter what level

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Speaker 5: you're at, or no matter how long you do it professionally,

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Speaker 5: there's still only a small number of times in the

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Speaker 5: grand scheme of things that you're gonna be able to

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Speaker 5: do that.

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Speaker 4: So I think bowl games are great. I love them,

638
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 4: and they have a lot of different meeting for a

639
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 4: lot of different reasons.

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Speaker 1: I had a guy come at me yesterday and he said,

641
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Speaker 1: these bowl games are meaningless. None of these kids care

642
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: about him. I said, have you talked to the kids

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Speaker 1: about that? He said, they're all opting out. I said,

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Speaker 1: they're not all opting out. Actually, I just watched the

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Speaker 1: game where nobody opted out. It's probably the one you

646
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Speaker 1: were doing. It's funny how the pre Christmas bulls disproportionately

647
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Speaker 1: featured teams that probably aren't loaded with rosters full of

648
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Speaker 1: first round talent, so I mean, disproportionately, all those dudes

649
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: are still bought in. But even when you get to

650
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: the latter stages, I mean, you said you're gonna be

651
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: on the Sugar Bowl, which is inexplicably a morning kick

652
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: Central time. But that's its own little argument. Bryce Young

653
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: playing Will Anderson playing like the top program in America

654
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: over the last decade and a half, doesn't seem to

655
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: have a problem of players opting out this year. Here's

656
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: my side question, which is the most obvious question. What

657
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: prison are you in right now where they're stapling your

658
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: eyelids to the top of your forehead and they're chaining

659
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: you to those bars and rolling a TV in front

660
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: of you like Hannibal Elector style and making you watch

661
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: those games. Just go out in the front yard. Just

662
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: go down to dairy queen. Just leave me alone. That's

663
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: the oldest front porch, like banging my hand on the

664
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: railing rant that I ever have. It's when someone tells

665
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: me Bowl games are meanings. Don't watch brother, go play

666
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: in her murals, Go do something else with you.

667
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 5: The TV on a cart in middle school that had

668
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 5: the big strap over the top when you reeled it.

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Speaker 4: In for movie Day.

670
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're wheeling that in and making you watch it

671
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 5: on that I'm all about more football, man, and I'll

672
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 5: consume it all Tuesday night.

673
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 4: Maction Bowl game at ten am on a Friday. Let's go.

674
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 5: We got one thirty bowl games kicking off during the week. Like,

675
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 5: I'm all about it. I think we should have more

676
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 5: daytime regular season games instead of jamming them all into

677
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 5: six thirty pm on Saturday night. Hey, it's a reward

678
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 5: for the players. It's another it's a reason. And like

679
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 5: you said, some of the earlier Bowl games, like go

680
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 5: watch that Troy defense and in the Cure Bowl, go

681
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 5: watch that Southern miss defense that Austin Armstrong is doing

682
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 5: a great job with in the Landing Tree Bowl, like

683
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 5: getting after people's rear ends, like safety's flying down the tweet.

684
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 6: That I posted the video of of the Troy interception

685
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 6: where you have a two hundred and five pounds safety

686
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 6: flying past the man who intercepts the ball to take

687
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 6: on an offensive lineman shoulder to shoulder.

688
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 4: The old lineman tries to go down on him by

689
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 4: the way, and he goes down and meets him shoulder

690
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 4: to shoulder. You're telling me it don't matter that kid.

691
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 5: All he wants to do is help his teammate get

692
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 5: more interception return yardage.

693
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Speaker 4: Obviously it does.

694
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 5: And so it's a chance to compete, a chance to perform,

695
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 5: a chance to prove things. And then you just kind

696
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 5: of get to the accomplishments that come with We hadn't

697
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 5: even talked about that. So Fresno State back to back

698
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 5: ten win seasons, first time or third time in the

699
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 5: history of program. UAB just won consecutive Bowl games for

700
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 5: the first time ever. They had never done it, and

701
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 5: I've been done in the history of the program. Troy

702
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 5: has more wins this year as an FBS program than

703
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 5: they've ever had in the history of the program.

704
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 4: So you have these little accomplishments with it.

705
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Speaker 5: I mean, Southern missed won three games last year, and

706
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 5: now they finished with a winning record and they get

707
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Speaker 5: a Bowl win.

708
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 4: I think they're both first Bowl win since twenty thirteen.

709
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 4: But it doesn't matter. Nobody cares.

710
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: I love you so much for that. Hey, you mentioned

711
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: a couple of programs. I don't want to go too

712
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: far down the rabbit hole, but man, what summer all

713
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: did at Troy this year, what came back did at

714
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: South Alabama, and now you've got Trent Dilfer is the

715
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: head coach at UAB Like past Bbama and Auburn, it's

716
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: an interesting time in the state of Alabama for college football.

717
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 5: There's no doubt, and I think too the Sun Belt

718
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 5: in general. It's gonna be so much fun to watch

719
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 5: next year. Southern Mis's gonna have a lot of that

720
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 5: defense back Caine see, I love it.

721
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 4: Will Hall's doing.

722
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 5: It at Southern miss saying because you know this better

723
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 5: than night, because you follow recruiting more so than I do.

724
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 5: But I've talked to a couple different people about it

725
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 5: getting ready for that game. Recruiting Mississippi is just different.

726
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 5: The kids are different, The way you do it is different, obviously,

727
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 5: the academics, the size of the schools, it's all very different.

728
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: So they're taking very much.

729
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 5: A fatherly love approach to how they're recruiting, and you

730
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 5: see how the kids reacted. I've seen down with what

731
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 5: Caine's doing in mobile. I talked to him at the

732
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 5: Senior Bowl last year. He's doing more of the Howard

733
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 5: Snellenberger like circle, the fifty mile radius, except now you

734
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 5: can do that in the portal. So you take that

735
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 5: radius around Mobile, which we know how much talents there

736
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 5: every year and the Panhandle of Florida, and say are

737
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 5: you not happy? Would you like to come home? He's

738
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 5: like to play in a break new stadium, great facilities.

739
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 5: You get a chance to play in a very competitive league.

740
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: And look how it's working out for him. And then

741
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 5: what coach summerl did at Troy Man. They got one

742
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty nine yards in the bowl game and

743
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 5: they won. I haven't seen a team in a long

744
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 5: time like they epitomized team football this year, finding different

745
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 5: ways to win, running the football with Kamani Vidal, throwing

746
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 5: the football with Gunner and Watson, certain games.

747
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 4: Defense five turnovers against UTSA, like they just go play hard.

748
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 4: But here be the first one to admit.

749
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 5: We always talk about buy in leadership, you know, having

750
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 5: veterans on your team. Carlton Marshall, Richard Juniper came to

751
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 5: him when he got the job and said, listen, tell

752
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 5: us what to do, tell us how we're gonna run it,

753
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 5: and tell us what to run and we'll take care

754
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 5: of the rest for you. We'll get all the young

755
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 5: guys on board, We'll lead this ship. We're gonna be

756
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 5: here for you. They bought in day one. So having

757
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 5: some veterans some older guys helps. But man, there is

758
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 5: some There are some programs on the rise and some

759
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 5: great coaches in the state of Alabama that are not

760
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 5: at Auburn and Alabama right now.

761
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: So you did a game every week this year, you're

762
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: on the road, you're actually on the sidelines doing reporting.

763
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: You have to work during the game. I just get

764
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: to stand there. But you you get to meet with

765
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: coaches a lot. I mean you did you work with

766
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: the SEC network, so you meet a lot of SEC coaches.

767
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: Do me a favor, and do folks who are watching

768
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: this a favor. Number one, take them through a typical

769
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: game week from a scheduling standpoint. And number two, when

770
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: you interact with coaches who are the best ones that

771
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: give you probably some off the record stuff, but give

772
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: you the most detail that you can contextualize that team with.

773
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, So Sunday I usually fly home.

774
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 5: I try to get on the first flight out, so

775
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 5: it's you know, six seven something like that.

776
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: Get home. As soon as I land.

777
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 5: It's kid time for the next couple hours because I

778
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 5: haven't seen them since Thursday morning because I go do

779
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 5: morning radio in Birmingham, so then don't I leave the

780
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 5: house and I haven't seen them.

781
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: So it's been three days, so I have seven to

782
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 4: five and two.

783
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 5: I try to play with them a couple hours, they

784
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: get rest, nap time, and then I try to dive

785
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 5: back into games and work. I have a podcast that

786
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 5: I do on Sundays, usually doesn't get out till Sunday evening,

787
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 5: just reviewing SEC games. I don't have enough time to

788
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 5: really go much further past that. It'll be different in

789
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 5: the off season, and then it's turned the page.

790
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 4: We usually find out who we have.

791
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 5: The next week on Thursday evening or Friday morning. Going

792
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 5: into a weekend, we'll find out who have the next week. Now,

793
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 5: if you ever hear the dreaded six day option, that

794
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 5: means we're probably not finding out until late late late

795
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 5: Saturday night or Sunday morning who we're going to have

796
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 5: the next week. So then it's turned the page. Start

797
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 5: to grind on the two teams that you have the

798
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 5: next week. We do a production call on Tuesday mornings,

799
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 5: start talking about things that we want to get into

800
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 5: what we want to talk about, and then it's just

801
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 5: get as much film, as much research.

802
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 4: In the benefit that I have of just doing.

803
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: SEC games most weeks is I know coaches, I know

804
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 5: guys who cover the team. I know assistants on every team.

805
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 5: So when I get Kentucky, I've got my.

806
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: Four or five guys that I call, all Right, what's

807
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 4: happening with this guy?

808
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 5: What's happening here? Who do I need to talk about here?

809
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 5: When I get Georgia, I call these guys. We talk

810
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 5: about this guy's injuries, whatnot, who's going to play more?

811
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 5: And a lot of times those are guys on the

812
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 5: staff that I can have a conversation with or what

813
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 5: it is not.

814
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 4: And so then we go to town. I go Thursday evening.

815
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 5: I'll do my radio show from the hotel Friday morning,

816
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 5: and then we have coaches meetings. So we usually get

817
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 5: head coach, both coordinators, most times a player or two.

818
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's just the coaches. It depends if the If.

819
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 5: The opposite team is staying in town, we'll go meet

820
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 5: with them at their hotel that evening. So usually Friday

821
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 5: four thirty five thirty something like that, and we'll have

822
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 5: the same situation. We'll meet with the coaches and players.

823
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 5: If they're not close and it's a school like Old

824
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 5: miss they usually kind of stay out of town. We'll

825
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 5: do zoom calls with them during the week and then

826
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 5: we'll get that over with. Some coaches just still like

827
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 5: to do the zoom calls. We'll knock those out during

828
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 5: the week. Then Saturday morning we have our production meeting

829
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 5: for the actual game. We go through graphics, storylines, things

830
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 5: we want to talk about, what we're going to do

831
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 5: in our open you know, certain.

832
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 4: Guys that we want to watch.

833
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 5: We'll talk to guys the producer director about our camera

834
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 5: me and need to focus on certain guys, like do

835
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 5: we want to follow Tray Smith for an entire drive?

836
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 5: And let me just talk about offensive line play so

837
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 5: Jordan doesn't have to waste everybody's time talking about routes

838
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 5: and coverages, things that nobody cares about. And so we

839
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 5: kind of hammered all that out. Get to the stadium

840
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 5: about two and a half hours for Kick. That's when

841
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 5: the good stuff really happened. Because once you get in

842
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 5: the stadium, Josh, and you've probably had this just floating

843
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 5: around talking to people. I usually go out to the fifty,

844
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 5: both teams warming up. We always see the coaches come

845
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 5: shake hands. That's where you get an assistant coach, you know,

846
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 5: running back coach or a coordinator, and it's just like

847
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 5: everything comes out. They have no concern about injuries, about

848
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: what they're gonna do, not gonna do, who's playing not playing,

849
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 5: like they let it all out. Then that's when I

850
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 5: get my best information. So then I gotta go jam

851
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 5: everything back in, have a conversation with Tom and Jordan,

852
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 5: have a conversation with our producer, say hey, we're gonna

853
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 5: have to talk.

854
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: About this or we're gonna have to get to this

855
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 4: or whatever it is. And then obviously we get going.

856
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 5: As far as meetings, everybody's pretty good to us, Like

857
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 5: we don't have anybody that's just that's just not not good,

858
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 5: doesn't offer good information, And I think it would surprise people.

859
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: Coach Saban, for example, he's awesome. It's just you have

860
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: to know what to talk to him about, so you can't.

861
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 5: He doesn't want to talk about injuries, he doesn't want

862
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 5: to talk about a lot of you know, sort of

863
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 5: sort of the BS topics or whatever. Like there's one

864
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 5: time Tom asked coach Saban, and seriously he told me

865
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 5: he was going to do this, and I literally looked

866
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 5: over at Josh Max in the side and I said, hey,

867
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 5: this I interrupted. I said, before he asked this, I'm out.

868
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 5: And I looked at Saban. I said, I want you

869
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 5: to know I'm not a part of this. He asked

870
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 5: Coach Saban, So, getting towards the end of the year,

871
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 5: do you you do leave guys in games a little

872
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 5: bit longer if it's a blowout, to try to help

873
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 5: push them for individual awards?

874
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 4: And I mean, I'm like, he starts. That's when Coach

875
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 4: Saban starts rocking and tapping his foot a little bit,

876
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, oh God, here comes.

877
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 5: And so I mean, but if you talked to like,

878
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 5: the best example I have is going into the Vaderbilt

879
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 5: game last year.

880
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: Obviously they had a big fifty to fifty ball wide receiver.

881
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 5: And I'm asking coach, I said, I said, how do

882
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 5: how do you coach a dB to play a back

883
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 5: shoulder fade? Because we see it all the time, and

884
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 5: when some guys play it great, some guys look lost.

885
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: I know your guys are gonna get it this week.

886
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: Can you just kind of take us through the coaching points.

887
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 5: He stands up and starts taking us through the technique

888
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 5: and the fundamentals of how he coaches it. Where your

889
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 5: eyes have to be, how your shoulders have to be,

890
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 5: what they're reading on a wide receiver.

891
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: It was incredible stuff.

892
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 5: Like he's sitting there, he is coaching us in the

893
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 5: meeting room. But you just have to understand those are

894
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 5: the things that he loves talking about.

895
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 4: And so I mean that meeting was incredible. He told

896
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 4: us about the eyes on a dB read a receiver's hips.

897
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 4: I had never heard this happen around football a long time.

898
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 5: I did not know a dB reads a receiver's hips

899
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 5: when they're coming out of their stands. So you get

900
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 5: those things from him that are remarkable, and he actually

901
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 5: spends a lot of time with us. But some of

902
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 5: the guys over the years, like Kevin Steele is, I mean,

903
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 5: he's basically.

904
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 4: Like a college football story book.

905
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 5: When you meet with him, he'll just be talking to

906
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 5: Like I remember back in you know, nine to four

907
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 5: when at Nebraska and Tommy Fraser we ran this play, and.

908
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's unbelievable.

909
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 5: His memory and the detail and the things he goes

910
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 5: into and he's just he's always fun. Sam Pittman is

911
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 5: a joy, like open book, honest, holds nothing back. You

912
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 5: see exactly why his team reacts to him the way

913
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 5: that they do because it's no bs, it's no nonsense.

914
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 5: You ask him a question, he's like, well, this and

915
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 5: this and this, and you're kind of like, I can't

916
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 5: believe he just said that.

917
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 4: But that's pretty amazing, And a lot of it's off

918
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: the record.

919
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 5: Marcus Saderfield's the name that will probably surprise you office

920
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 5: coordinator at South Carolina last year going to Nebraska. Like

921
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 5: you talk about a no holds barred, no nonsense, does

922
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: not give a damn We'll tell you anything and be

923
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 5: bluntantly obvious about it, like I mean, he just lays

924
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 5: it out there and it but we appreciate that because

925
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 5: it's no coach speak like coach goal was at Tennessee.

926
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 4: Was great last year. He was fun. Maybe the best

927
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 4: all time.

928
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 5: They will be Jeremy Pruitt because everything that I just

929
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 5: said and then some and you know, you get the

930
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 5: accent and you get kind of the quirkiness, and I

931
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 5: mean Jeremy was just I'm may and y'all got y'all

932
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 5: got best job in America.

933
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 4: I would love y'all. Y'all do is just watch film

934
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 4: and get paid for that. Like I would trade jobs

935
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: with y'all in a heartbeat.

936
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking they're like, yeah, coach, you're making five million, man,

937
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 5: I would trade with you too. Like let's like, when

938
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 5: you're ready to flip this script, just just tell me.

939
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 5: I'll trade paychecks tomorrow. But he was just so honest

940
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 5: and he knows ball, and so that's the best part too.

941
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 5: Like you can ask him any kind of scheme question

942
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 5: and he's like boom boom boom, brings it up right away.

943
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 5: So all these guys in this league are awesome, and

944
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 5: this I think it's because we get them often. They

945
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 5: know us, they trust us. We haven't burned them. Like

946
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 5: Lane is great.

947
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 4: You would think that he's he's not great, but he's awesome.

948
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 4: I love talking football with Lank Kiffin. He's fantastic.

949
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to think off the top of my

950
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 5: head other guys that we love kind of meeting with,

951
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 5: But it's I coached. Stoops is great and he'll give

952
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 5: you like he gets going in old Youngstown stories and

953
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 5: talking about his brothers and stuff like that.

954
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: That could be really cool. And he's very direct and

955
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: very honest with us about his guys.

956
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 5: So they're all a little bit different in how they

957
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 5: approach it and how they answer questions. But man, it's

958
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 5: cool to be able to sit there and just talk

959
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 5: ball with all those guys.

960
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I've eventually found a way

961
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: to do.

962
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 4: So.

963
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: The first thing I've noticed is those guys instinctively don't

964
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: trust anyone, nor would I if I were in their position.

965
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: But if you gain their trust and they realize you're

966
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: going to talk to them on a level they want

967
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: to talk on, then all of a sudden, there's this

968
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: detachment and they go from not trusting you won't give

969
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: you anything to you're looking at him saying I can't

970
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 1: believe you're giving me this, And that happens like that.

971
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: Once you instill the trust. The other thing is, and

972
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: here's what's been really fun slash humbling for me, if

973
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: you ask them to give you feedback on your work

974
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: on air, they can't wait to do it because they've

975
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: got opinions on everyone. But nobody in our business has

976
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: ever gone to them and said, coach, I want your pure,

977
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: unadult traded feedback and they'll give it to you. Man.

978
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: It's brutal. It's always negative, but in a positive way,

979
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: if that makes any sense. It's been a huge help man.

980
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: That's like, that's been the biggest unsung blessing. I think

981
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: of getting the access that we get. You get feedback

982
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: that doesn't come from a consulting firm. It doesn't come

983
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: from someone in a production suite. It comes from someone

984
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: that's actually out there on the field of battle that

985
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: you only sit off to the side and you talk about.

986
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: It's wild though, when you finally get that.

987
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 5: Well, and sometimes you get it without asking because it's

988
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 5: what you did in other places. So there are a

989
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 5: couple of coaches that will say, yeah, I heard what

990
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 5: you said about our defense two weeks ago on Fine Bump.

991
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, I heard that interview with so and

992
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 5: so when you were talking about my quarterback. I saw

993
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 5: it not good. They're not afraid to tell us that.

994
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 5: And here's the other part too, that I think has

995
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 5: This is a realization I had a year and a

996
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 5: half two years ago, and it took me a while

997
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 5: to kind of get it. Is that we all think

998
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 5: that there's one language we speak to these coaches and

999
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 5: it's football, right, But you have to go.

1000
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 4: A step further than that. Each coach speaks a different

1001
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 4: language of football.

1002
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 5: And once you learn that, Mike Leach was a perfect

1003
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: example of that. That's why Mike Leach was my biggest

1004
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: professional challenge that I've ever had. Now, some people might

1005
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 5: think that it was Nick Saban because you know he

1006
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 5: doesn't he's brashed with the media, whatever.

1007
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 4: This is just not true, first and foremost.

1008
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 5: Or you know Jim Harbaugh who sprints off the field.

1009
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 5: I had the Peach Bowl with him one time. I'm

1010
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 5: literally running just trying to get one through Jim asures

1011
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 5: You're a quarterback trying to get in and I think

1012
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 5: he kind of respected that. I tried, so he slowed

1013
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 5: down and gave me like a one more answer and

1014
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 5: then ran back in the tunnel. But with Nick Saban,

1015
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 5: it's football detail, man, like that's what he wants. I

1016
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 5: tried to get creative with Coach Leech, and I would

1017
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 5: say things like they had some protection breakdowns against Kentucky.

1018
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 4: I tried.

1019
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 5: I don't remember exactly how I said it, but I

1020
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 5: phrased my question something like, you know, coach your quarterbacks

1021
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 5: having some protection issues. The fortress that is your kingdom

1022
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 5: that protects him, how do you better fortify that?

1023
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: For the second half, hoping that he would.

1024
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 5: Go some art of war like World War two novel

1025
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 5: that he had read something or other and he would

1026
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 5: I messed the two worlds together. I sat on the

1027
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 5: field with him before that game. I took my microphone

1028
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 5: like I had my microphone like this, like I tucked

1029
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 5: it here and I had my arms crossed. Yeah, and

1030
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 5: I just started asking a random question, thinking we'd get

1031
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 5: something good for the game we actually use like two

1032
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 5: of his answers. My first question, I said, Coach, if

1033
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 5: will Rogers was a dinosaur, what kind of dinosaur.

1034
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 4: Would you want him to be? And I mean, like

1035
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 4: no hesitation whatsoever. He said, well, I would want.

1036
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 5: Him to be one that was fast enough to get

1037
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 5: away from bigger.

1038
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 4: And badder dinosaurs so we wouldn't get eaten. And I

1039
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 4: was like, that's a wacky answer, but it's perfect, Like

1040
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 4: you want.

1041
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 5: Your quarterback to not take sacks so he can get

1042
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 5: away from big, bad defensive linemen that are coming after him.

1043
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 4: So asking like Mountain Lake, which would he choose.

1044
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 5: He went back and forth on that I asked him

1045
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 5: lobster shrimp, He went muscles.

1046
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: I mean, some of it has nothing to do with anything.

1047
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 4: He doesn't like to talk.

1048
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 5: About football a bunch, but you have to understand, like

1049
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 5: that's his language, so try to speak it to him

1050
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 5: and his language, Like with Lane Kiffen, for example, I've

1051
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 5: gotten to the point with Lane, either halftime or postgame,

1052
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 5: I literally walk up to him and just pull my

1053
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 5: microphone out.

1054
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 4: He starts talking. I don't have to ask him anything.

1055
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 5: So you have to understand that there's a football language

1056
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 5: that's different for every coach. And once I realized that,

1057
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 5: it became a lot easier and I got much better

1058
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 5: answers with where I wanted to Like Kirby is, he

1059
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 5: wants to talk football, but he enjoys other parts of

1060
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 5: it a little bit more.

1061
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 4: Like he wants to talk.

1062
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 5: About what a win means for differ reasons. He wants

1063
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 5: to talk about why his guys got to where they got.

1064
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 5: He's big on giving credit to his players and why

1065
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 5: they accomplish certain things. So I try to lead him

1066
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 5: into those kind of answers with the questions that I ask.

1067
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 5: But it's a great point that you bring up because

1068
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 5: It's yes, we speak football to all these guys, but

1069
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 5: they all speak their own individual football language.

1070
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: I think Kirby's probably the best example I know of

1071
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: in college football right now of a guy who keeps

1072
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: the main thing the main thing, but at the same

1073
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 1: time is aware of the overarching is aware of what's

1074
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: being said, is aware of what will be said when

1075
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: something happens, and they can claim all they want to

1076
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: that they don't pay attention to it. I think he does.

1077
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: But the benefit in the uniqueness of him is it

1078
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: doesn't really. It never impacts what they do. It's an awareness,

1079
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: like I'm awareness. I'm aware of what the high temperature

1080
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: in Juno, Alaska is today. It's not going to impact

1081
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: how I dress. He's aware of what everyone says about him.

1082
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: It just doesn't impact it. I think if you can

1083
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: balance that now, you're fine, and you also you sound

1084
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: informed because nothing in a press conference ever takes you

1085
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: off guard because you already know what's being said. Look,

1086
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: they're in the playoff. They are playing Ohio State. I

1087
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: thought they were gonna draw TCU, but they're not. This

1088
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: is the game I'll be at. Do you have some

1089
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: initial thoughts on this, because I keep picking up on

1090
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: this talking point that everyone thinks Ohio State just got

1091
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: physically bodied by Michigan again. And I've been at that

1092
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: game two years in a row, and I thought it

1093
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: was probably true last year. I don't necessarily know that

1094
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: it was true this year, but the scoreboard looks the same.

1095
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: So if people think the same thing happened, I don't

1096
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: think george is just gonna physically run Ohio State out

1097
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: of the building. I do lean Georgia to win the game.

1098
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: Where are you on this right now? Yeah?

1099
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 5: I thought a couple of weeks ago, I was asked

1100
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 5: Georgia or the field, and I took the field because

1101
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 5: Ohio State was still included, USC was still included, TCU

1102
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 5: was included. Like, we had all these offenses that could

1103
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 5: put up all these points, and I'm thinking, Man, if

1104
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 5: one of these groups gets hot going into the playoffs

1105
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 5: and they make it, then there could be a chance

1106
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 5: nobody's stopping them. So I've kind of reversed course on

1107
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 5: that after the SEC Championship game. I just I think

1108
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 5: Georgia and Michigan are playing the best team football of

1109
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 5: anybody in the country right now. Specifically, the team's left

1110
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 5: in the college football playoff. That offensive line's playing at

1111
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 5: a high level. I love the ball distribution as long

1112
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 5: as Stetson Bennett plays low risk football. Georgia wins the

1113
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 5: national championship, and you really have to dive into this, Josh,

1114
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 5: you have to really go kind of take a close

1115
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 5: peek at it. There were games in the middle of

1116
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 5: the season, and I'm not going to accuse him because

1117
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 5: I'm not inside his helmet.

1118
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 4: I don't know what he's thinking. He appeared to be

1119
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 4: a little bit bored to me.

1120
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 5: There were some throws. Go to the Florida game, I know,

1121
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 5: for example, would be one. There were a couple of others,

1122
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 5: maybe the Tennessee game, where he just took some chances

1123
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 5: that normally no quarterback would try to fit some balls

1124
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 5: in some windows that were just closed, like the blinds

1125
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 5: were closed, and bounce off defenders, breastplate, bounce off defenders

1126
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 5: face mass didn't turn into interceptions. But you look at

1127
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 5: that and say, Okay, it could be times down the

1128
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 5: road that if he attempts to play that kind of football,

1129
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 5: it could end up being problematic.

1130
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 4: But then you see games.

1131
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 5: Like the SEC Championship game, when he's super clean and

1132
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 5: super efficient and not playing high risk football, and Georgia

1133
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 5: just looks unstoppable. So I think what I said about

1134
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 5: Georgia last year is still applicable in a lot of

1135
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 5: ways that physically, no one can really match up with

1136
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 5: them across the board. Now they were a little more

1137
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 5: of this last year, but still when you look at

1138
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 5: Darnelle Washington, you look at Amarius Mimes, you look at.

1139
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 4: Different players across the board and what they offer.

1140
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 5: Up physically, there are not a lot of teams that

1141
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 5: can go toe to toe with that.

1142
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 4: Well, then you add elite athleticism.

1143
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 5: Then you add in a quarterback that can manage, run,

1144
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 5: direct the offense at a high level, and a defense

1145
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 5: that has just been smothering people at a high rate.

1146
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 5: I'm not as afraid of what LSU did through the

1147
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 5: air as some other people are. I do think it

1148
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 5: has a chance to be problematic. I'm very interested in

1149
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 5: a couple of things, like minute details of this game.

1150
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 5: Georgia off the edge, can they get home? Because I

1151
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 5: don't think that middle pressure is as important against Ohio

1152
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 5: State as it is some other teams won The ball

1153
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 5: comes out really quick too. They can hurt you on

1154
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 5: the perimeter a little bit more than they can in

1155
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 5: the middle of the field.

1156
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 4: So CJ.

1157
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 5: Stroud doesn't rely on stepping up in the pocket as

1158
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 5: much as a lot of other quarterbacks. It's not that

1159
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 5: he never does it, but it's not like Joe Burrow

1160
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen, where he was going.

1161
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 4: To climb, climb, climb, climb, climb.

1162
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 5: Balls out and where middle pressure would affect them a

1163
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 5: little bit more.

1164
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 4: We know George is going to be able.

1165
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 5: To affect things in the middle. Can they consistently get

1166
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 5: things off the edge. I think the Ohio State offensive

1167
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 5: line is a little bit overrated. I think their tackles

1168
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 5: are big.

1169
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: I have to saying that, say, look.

1170
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 5: How bog People just see offensive linemen that are three

1171
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 5: seventy or three eighty and they think that all of

1172
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 5: a sudden, they're just good.

1173
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 4: It doesn't work that way.

1174
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 5: But they are massive, so you at least have to

1175
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 5: get around them to be able to affect the passing game.

1176
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 5: In the quarterback I love caged Over at tight end.

1177
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 5: I think he's the most physical football player they have, period.

1178
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 5: But I don't think they're just gonna be able to

1179
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 5: run the ball at Georgia. Matter of fact, I don't

1180
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 5: think they have a ton of success running the ball

1181
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 5: period because Doomas Johnson's really coming into his own more

1182
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 5: of a sideline sideline player. I think he can be

1183
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 5: a guy that helps him in pressure packages as well.

1184
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 5: But I just think physically they to an extent, they

1185
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 5: will overmatch Ohio State. It's not gonna be a hey,

1186
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 5: we're gonna line up and run it sixty times, there's

1187
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 5: nothing you can do about it type game or where

1188
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 5: Ohio State just won't be able to get the ball off.

1189
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 5: But physically, I do think Georgia will be a problem.

1190
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 5: And I think their balance on offense is critical. I mean,

1191
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 5: they're running the ball better right now than they have

1192
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 5: all year, multiple tight ends that can hurt you in

1193
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 5: different ways. They can motion, they can go fast, they

1194
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 5: can shift, They give.

1195
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 4: You so much to defend.

1196
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 5: It's not even about how great all their players are

1197
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 5: on offense. And I thought the SEC Championship game was

1198
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 5: a perfect example. They ran I mean they ran duo,

1199
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 5: they ran inside zone, they ran flit zone, they were encountered,

1200
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 5: they were in power, they ran end a round. And

1201
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 5: that doesn't include the screen game that you get to

1202
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 5: and then your traditional pass game and then the quick

1203
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 5: pass game, the RPO game, it's a lot josh that

1204
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 5: you have to defend.

1205
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 4: And I think Ohio State has a couple takeover guys on.

1206
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 5: Defense, but collectively, I don't know how great that group is.

1207
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 5: So I like Georgia, I'm not going to say about

1208
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 5: three touchdowns, but fairly comfortably to get.

1209
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 4: That game against Ohio State.

1210
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: So you mentioned the different looks and how multiple Georgia

1211
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: has been offensively this year in some games where they

1212
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: didn't have to be, but it builds to sort of

1213
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: a crescendo where you want to peak at the right time.

1214
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: So Stat's and info here had this excellent stat they

1215
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: pulled up, and I'm so curious how it pans out.

1216
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: So Ohio State pass defense just statistically they're not great,

1217
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: but defending running backs and tight ends, three of the

1218
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: four of which are Georgia's leading receivers. Then you got

1219
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: lad McConkey. Ohio State pass defense against tight ends and

1220
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: running backs second in the country. They're like one to

1221
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: oh nine against wide receivers, which is why I think

1222
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: ad Mitchell is a very important player in this game.

1223
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: They finally got him back. But here's the other thing.

1224
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: That stuff is statistically in a bubble. It's how you

1225
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: can scheme guys open, and they did it in the

1226
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: SEC Championship game. And so there's a difference in you

1227
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: defending a traditional inline tight end that sometimes spills out

1228
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: for a five yard out versus what Georgia does well

1229
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: Brought Bowers or versus what Georgia does with Darnell Washington. Also,

1230
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: they're probably more integral than the run game, and you

1231
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: got to honor it a little bit more. So I'm

1232
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: very interested, like when we get midway through the second quarter,

1233
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: is that stack carrying water or does Bowers have four

1234
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: for seventy two already? And it's just they're gonna do

1235
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: what they normally do now.

1236
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 5: I think also at that point, like you're talking about

1237
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 5: defending those certain players, to me, like defending a running

1238
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 5: back in the passing game, what percentage of that would

1239
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 5: be checkdowns? I would assume it would be fairly high,

1240
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 5: just because there are not a lot of teams.

1241
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 4: Whose second or third read is going to be the

1242
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 4: back out of the backfield.

1243
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 5: And then obviously from a tight end perspective, it's nice

1244
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 5: to have, but like you said, now George is gonna

1245
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 5: have multiple on the field at the same time, so

1246
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 5: you don't just have to defend one and then you

1247
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 5: have one that is a physical brutality matchup, and then

1248
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 5: you have another that's a speed and athleticism matchup. So

1249
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 5: they'll offer different guys in different ways. So that would

1250
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 5: be fun to watch.

1251
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 4: I agree.

1252
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 5: I'm the part of that that would make it difficult

1253
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 5: for me to say would be truly impactful is where

1254
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 5: is the Georgia running game when that becomes important? Because

1255
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 5: if they're sitting on eleven carries for seventy eight yards

1256
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 5: and it's early in the game, does it matter if

1257
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 5: a back's catching the ball out of the backfield? Does

1258
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 5: it matter if a tight ends truly involved? Because we've

1259
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 5: seen I guess they see championship game. They went to

1260
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 5: nineteen a lot early. It was like, Okay, boom, we're

1261
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 5: getting him in. But there have been other games and

1262
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 5: on my Sunday Takeaways there are multiple times. The first

1263
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 5: thing I typed is want to see more nineteen. Whish

1264
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 5: there were more nineteen. Force it to nineteen because I

1265
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 5: want him to be involved. I just think he's that

1266
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 5: good of a football player, So I'll be interested to

1267
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 5: see where the running game is let's say after the

1268
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 5: first quarter, because I think that dictates how important it

1269
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 5: is that a titian receives the ball, has to receive

1270
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 5: the ball, or a running back is getting involved in

1271
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 5: the passing game.

1272
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: Hey, Darnell Washington, he's the fourth leading receiver on Georgia's

1273
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: team right now. He plays at six seven, two seventy.

1274
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: What was the average heightweight of offensive tackles when you played?

1275
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 5: Oh not six seven when we had some six sixes,

1276
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 5: but we did have a couple of big tackles like

1277
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 5: Victor Riley was probably well, he's probably floating around three

1278
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 5: forty a lot at the time. Should have been playing

1279
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 5: three twenty. So Marcus Curry was in the three thirties.

1280
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 5: I think kittle Mack was probably three fifteen.

1281
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 4: So I'd probably say six four and a.

1282
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 5: Half three eighteen probably the average somewhere around there.

1283
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: I mean, he is, first off, he's not too seventy.

1284
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 5: When I had him in the spring game two years ago,

1285
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 5: I said, Kirby, is this kid really two hundred and

1286
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 5: seventy pounds?

1287
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 4: Cole he's two eighty five.

1288
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's huge.

1289
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 4: And then you like Jordan said this when we had

1290
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 4: the Missouri game. The first thing. He walked down on

1291
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 4: the field and said, you.

1292
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 5: Do not have an appreciation for Darnel Washington until you

1293
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 5: see him on the field. And it's crazy because he

1294
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 5: has offensive tackle shoulders. He has an offensive tackle rear end,

1295
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 5: but he has like an inside linebacker waist, and he

1296
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 5: has like a defensive end ankle.

1297
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: Did you he the ankles, dude? The thinness of the

1298
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: ankles is wild. It's like you look at it and say,

1299
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: those ankles are supporting this frame. I'm not going to

1300
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: ask how. I don't know how. The shoulders is a

1301
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: good point. I got ever thought about it that way.

1302
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 4: He is.

1303
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: He's so wide, there's no gut, there's nothing when you

1304
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: when your mal person weighs two eighty five, they're mostly

1305
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 1: not six seven. But there's just sloppy weight and there's

1306
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: no sloppiness on him at all.

1307
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 5: I looked at Stacy Searles, their offensive line coach, and

1308
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 5: I said, if you could have him for a year

1309
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 5: at tackle, how much money could you make it? Just

1310
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 5: I'm making the richest tackle to ever play the game.

1311
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 5: He's like, he's that athletic, he's that strong. He said,

1312
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 5: if he would buy into it and become a tackle.

1313
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 5: He's like he could be the best tackle to ever play,

1314
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 5: Like he's that gifted. But you see what he can

1315
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 5: do there tight end, I mean, why would you Why

1316
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 5: would you want to move to tackle?

1317
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 4: When people throwing you the football, You're.

1318
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 5: Jumping over DB's, you're high pointing the ball, you're stepping

1319
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 5: on people.

1320
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 4: And the thing that I love about him, and this

1321
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 4: was after year one at Georgia when we had him

1322
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 4: in the spring.

1323
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 5: Game, I said, Kirby Man, he's like a willing blocker,

1324
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 5: Like he actually gets out there and tries, which in

1325
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 5: today's football is almost all you can ask for unless

1326
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 5: you're Iowa or Michigan or Georgia. Like, if you're tight end,

1327
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 5: just tries, you're usually pretty happy. And he's like, no

1328
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 5: Cole Heat takes pride in it. He wants to be

1329
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 5: good at it like he wants to he understands hat placement,

1330
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 5: hand placement, like he goes and works with the offensive

1331
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 5: line coach and that's where he's really improved as a blocker.

1332
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 4: Like point of attack, he will drive people off the ball.

1333
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 5: He's really fun in the screen game because he's basically

1334
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 5: a tackle when he gets out there in space, running

1335
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 5: over corners in safeties, and he's athletic enough to not

1336
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 5: be like a fat lineman where he just falls on

1337
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 5: his face and trips up trying to read direct.

1338
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 4: So he's a hell of a football player, man, And

1339
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 4: it's just it is. I call him a vincement man.

1340
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 5: First round draft pick is where he could go to

1341
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 5: pro wrestling tomorrow and just have a million dollar career

1342
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 5: because you just don't get guys that big that can

1343
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 5: move that way.

1344
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: I know you didn't get to see as much a

1345
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 1: TCU this year. You see Michigan because you just helped

1346
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: them win the Joe Moore Award. Well they won it,

1347
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: you participated in giving them the award. Give me some

1348
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: thoughts on this because I'm looking at it and I'm

1349
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: thinking the inverse of what I said about Georgia and

1350
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: Ohio State. I mean, if they get in a phone booth,

1351
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: I don't even need to watch the game. I know

1352
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: how that's gonna Go's. What's really interesting to me is

1353
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: TCU's got probably the more underrated back of any of

1354
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: these four teams left. I got Quentin Johnson, who's like

1355
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: a bona fide first round type out wide and they've

1356
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: got a guy who can actually get him the ball.

1357
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: So if they can pop on the perimeter early, and

1358
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: if they can put Michigan behind, which is a point

1359
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: Michigan's been in multiple times this year. Great second half team,

1360
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: but if they can put him behind, that gives them

1361
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: a chance if they get in the deep end, and

1362
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: that's a tie game. It's totally in Michigan's wheelhouse. So

1363
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: that line is like seven and a half or eight

1364
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: right now, give me some thoughts on that one.

1365
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 5: I would probably even with those points, play Michigan in

1366
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 5: this game, and we should probably think that the second

1367
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 5: half is going to be incredible because these two teams

1368
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 5: I think are the best second half teams in college

1369
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 5: football statistically.

1370
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 4: I'm not just not my opinion.

1371
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 5: Michigan's not gonna want to get this thing into attract meet.

1372
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 5: I think TCU has to go full track, meat mode, pace, tempo,

1373
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 5: fall out, quick fall on perimeter. And yes, Kendre Miller

1374
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 5: is incredible, but I just don't know if you're gonna

1375
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 5: be able to go right.

1376
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 4: At that defense with him.

1377
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 5: It's got they have to find creative ways to make

1378
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 5: space to get defenders out of position. I think you

1379
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 5: see a lot of misdirection. You'll see some end to round,

1380
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 5: You'll see guys lined up in different places, You'll see

1381
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 5: formations into the boundary.

1382
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 4: I think Sunny Dyke's has.

1383
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 5: To force Michigan to miss the ligne a lot of

1384
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 5: the time and basically be able to steal yards, and

1385
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 5: then by stealing those yards, they have got to turn

1386
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 5: them into explosive plays. TCU has to have explosive plays

1387
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 5: to win this game. It's they're not going to be

1388
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 5: able to grind out points and win.

1389
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 4: And I agree with you.

1390
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 5: If this thing's even tight, close a one or two

1391
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,959
Speaker 5: score game, even like ten fourteen points at halftime, I.

1392
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 4: Think Michigan just throttles down.

1393
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 5: They go into four wheel low in the second half,

1394
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 5: and that offensive line will get lathered up and they'll

1395
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 5: just walk away with it. I thought Jim Harball was

1396
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 5: completely bananas in fall camp.

1397
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 4: You remember the quote too, and he said, I think

1398
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 4: this defense will be.

1399
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 5: Better than last year's and we're like, well, no, we

1400
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 5: just saw the two edge guys you lost.

1401
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 4: That's not going to be possible.

1402
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 5: Collectively, this defense might be better. They are stingy, they

1403
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 5: can be aggressive when they need to. They play quality

1404
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 5: football at the point of attack, striking shed, utilizing hands, physicality,

1405
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 5: and then they're able to get to the quarterback, which

1406
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 5: is something I didn't think they would be anywhere near.

1407
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 4: As good at this year as they were a season ago.

1408
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 4: The physical portion of this game is.

1409
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 5: What's going to be the difference, and I just I

1410
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 5: find it very hard to believe that TCU.

1411
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 4: Is going to be able to match up.

1412
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: Do you think about this for a second, just from

1413
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: a head coach's perspective, Sunny Dikes, I think the story

1414
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: tells itself. This is the college football playoff team in

1415
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: all the years we've had won with the longest preseason

1416
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: odds to win the title. I think it was like

1417
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: two hundred to one. This Michigan team has the fourth

1418
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: longest odds ever. Sunny Dikes, I don't even think he

1419
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: had to move if he didn't want to. He just

1420
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: takes another job across town. First year, there, boom, they're

1421
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 1: in the playoff and we're undefeated into the conference title game.

1422
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: This time last year Michigan was going to the playoff.

1423
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: They lose a game. Dude Harbaught interviewed for the Vikings

1424
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: job on signing day. Actual National Signing Day. Everyone else

1425
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: is wrapping up a class. He's trying to get an

1426
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: NFL job. Both of his coordinators are gone. He loses

1427
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: Those two edge guys were watching them in the combine

1428
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: a month later. And if you were to just hit

1429
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: pause there and then you were to cryogenically freeze someone

1430
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: and you wake them up right now, how would you

1431
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: how if that was you, if you were frozen, how

1432
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: would you have been able to conceptualize Sunny Dykes is

1433
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: gonna be in the playoff and oh, by the way,

1434
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: Harbaugh's gonna face him in the playoff. How so much

1435
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: you would think has to go wrong? Ohio State must

1436
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: have just lost three or four games. That wasn't what happened.

1437
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 1: They just beat them. They were just flat out better

1438
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: even than they were last year TCU. It's not like

1439
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: they were a two lost team. It's not like they

1440
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: were seven LSU. They were undefeated until the finish line.

1441
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: Then you had one loss at the finish line. The

1442
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: resume is still good enough to get in. It's just

1443
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: it's why I always laugh when people say in the preseason,

1444
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: we don't even need to play the games. We know

1445
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: who's gonna make it. Full you never know who's gonna

1446
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: make it. The same four teams have never made it.

1447
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna have the same teams in it. Like Bama's

1448
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: gonna be there, you gotta knock them off. Ohio State's

1449
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: gonna be there. You gotta knock them off. Well, someone

1450
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: knocked them off, and so now you've got fresh blood

1451
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: in there. It's just wild to me, like you could

1452
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: tell the story of these two head coaches for the

1453
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: next twenty years, and I don't think you'll have a

1454
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: playoff match that tops what we're seeing right now. Either.

1455
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,479
Speaker 5: What about what you just said about harbug till last year,

1456
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 5: go back even another year when he had to redo

1457
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 5: his contract with the administration because they were trying to

1458
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 5: run him and he's like, okay, fine, I'll take less

1459
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 5: just to kind of stay here. And I guess make

1460
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 5: everybody happy because you don't know what you're gonna do.

1461
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 5: And I'm not really sure what I was gonna do.

1462
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 5: I they're trying to push the guy out of town.

1463
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 5: And now he's got back to back playoff appearances. I

1464
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 5: think one thing that Jim has done is he has

1465
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 5: built the foundation of a football team that maybe and

1466
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 5: again I don't. It's hard to say it truly is

1467
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 5: or isn't Josh right now, because we don't really know

1468
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 5: exactly where college football is going, Like we are on

1469
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 5: a road with no road signs. The exit ramps don't

1470
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 5: tell us what number it is or where it's off to,

1471
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 5: like we kind of have no there's no GPS to

1472
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 5: where we're going right now in college football.

1473
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 4: But there's a.

1474
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 5: Good chance that the foundation in which he's built his

1475
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 5: team on maybe a little bit easier to replicate year

1476
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 5: after year after year. Physicality, run game, defense, plug explosive

1477
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 5: players in different areas. You get a takeover guy defensive end.

1478
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 4: Great. Our structure is gonna make us.

1479
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 5: Really good, but now we add him, we've become dominant.

1480
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 5: Our structure offensively is going to be really good at

1481
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 5: a quarterback who's more capable and a group of receivers

1482
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 5: who gets more opportunity. Now, I've heard you talk about

1483
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 5: this multiple times, and you said it brilliantly. It's not

1484
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 5: that they didn't have talent at receiver last year. It's

1485
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 5: that the receivers can have more opportunity this year. It's

1486
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 5: kind of the same thing that happened with Tennessee I mean,

1487
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 5: Jeremy Prue was telling us about Jalen Hyatt and how.

1488
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 4: Good he was going to be. Well, what did Josh

1489
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 4: Hypel do.

1490
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,919
Speaker 5: He gave Cedric Tillman Jalen Hyatt more opportunities to show

1491
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 5: what they're capable of. So you get a quarterback that

1492
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 5: gives those receivers more opportunity, and you're explosive at tailback.

1493
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 4: Not just one but two.

1494
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 5: So maybe that foundation is a little easier to carry

1495
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 5: over because it's not is reliant on elite quarterback or

1496
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 5: it's not as reliant on a larger group of individuals on.

1497
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 4: Your team year after year after year.

1498
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 5: I don't know if it plays out that way, but

1499
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 5: maybe how he's built it, he and Sean Moore and

1500
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 5: those guys right now will be able to carry that

1501
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 5: over a little bit more.

1502
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 4: I mean, hell, they're dominating the portal with offensive lineman now.

1503
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 5: I mean you get a started from Arizona State, two

1504
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 5: starters from Stanford I think some five stars committed. So

1505
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 5: maybe that's going to be easier to carry over once

1506
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 5: you build it that way than finding receivers and quarterbacks

1507
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 5: to have to replace to go out and be a

1508
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 5: dominant football team.

1509
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got the linebacker from Nebraska yesterday too. I

1510
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: think the point you're making there, they're not star dependent

1511
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: like when they lose a guy, when they lose an

1512
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson. There's a reason people made a big deal

1513
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: about it because he's a good player, and conventional college

1514
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: football wisdom tells you that leaves a massive vacuum of

1515
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: a void. There's no way that team, the generic team,

1516
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: is going to be as good as they were last year. Well,

1517
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: it depends on the foundation that he played on. Platform

1518
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: did he play on. I actually think of all these

1519
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: programs out there, a program like Michigan, they've probably built

1520
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: themselves to be the biggest beneficiary of the portal. Ironically,

1521
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: it was their in state neighbor. It was Michigan State

1522
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: that took a bunch of kids and had a good

1523
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: year last year. But it may be Michigan where I'm

1524
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: not telling you you have to come in and save

1525
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: my entire program. I got that taken care of. I'm

1526
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: gonna put you on a really big pedestal here. You

1527
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: don't have to shoulder the entire load. You can come

1528
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: in to do what you do. We're gonna win win

1529
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: it without you. But if you come in, we'll probably

1530
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: both benefit from it. I want to ask you about

1531
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: Hugh Freeze for just a second. We watched that coaching

1532
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: search play out, and coaching search has never happened if

1533
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: there wasn't a guy there before. That's out the door.

1534
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: So you got Harson. Everything happens with him, he's out

1535
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: the door. You and I had similar thoughts on the

1536
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: way that was handled. I'll let you talk as much

1537
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: as you want to about that, but that entire process

1538
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: that leads to Hugh Freeze coming in, Now that we're

1539
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: a little bit removed from it, give me your take

1540
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: on how that all played out.

1541
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 5: From the Harshen perspective, it's I think there is fault

1542
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 5: on both sides. Obviously, the recruiting wasn't going the way

1543
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 5: that it needed to go, but he was handcuffed in

1544
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 5: certain areas. There were certain things that happened from certain

1545
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 5: individuals that made his job very difficult. Now, I also

1546
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 5: think that there are some people inside the athletic department,

1547
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 5: some aren't there anymore, that could have gone further in

1548
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:22,879
Speaker 5: making his job a little.

1549
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 4: Bit easier or giving him a better chance to succeed.

1550
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 4: You look on when he did the first six games

1551
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 4: of his first year. What are we talking about right now?

1552
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 4: Bon Nicks doesn't get hurt. Everybody likes to look at

1553
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 4: it and say, well, what if Tank Bisbee doesn't go

1554
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 4: out of bounce? What if Bonnicks doesn't wreck his ankle? Like,

1555
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 4: where are we?

1556
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 5: I don't know, And it still probably wasn't going to

1557
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 5: work out long term, but he may have had a

1558
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 5: better opportunity to make that thing successful.

1559
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 4: So that doesn't work out. I don't think over the

1560
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 4: course of six, eight, ten years it was going to work.

1561
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 4: So then you have to have a coaching search, and.

1562
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,759
Speaker 5: I think John Cohen did a good job of vetting

1563
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 5: a lot of folks. He did his due diligence on

1564
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 5: who may work and who may be best. What I

1565
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 5: think about what offers or agreements were in place before

1566
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 5: it became Hugh Freeze as irrelevant now, but they fall

1567
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 5: back to Hugh Freeze, and I do believe that there

1568
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 5: was an offer made before him. I agree that I

1569
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 5: believe that offer was accepted in some way and then

1570
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 5: not accepted in another way.

1571
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 4: But Hugh becomes the head.

1572
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 5: Coach, and I think Hugh Freeze has got a really

1573
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 5: good chance to win a lot of games at Auburn.

1574
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna step out and say national championship or

1575
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 5: win the West next year, or be dominant, but I

1576
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 5: think he has a great chance to find a lot

1577
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 5: of success. Number One, the top of the totem pole

1578
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 5: is aligned with Hugh Freese.

1579
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 4: At Auburn University and beyond.

1580
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 5: I guess I should say so not necessarily all direct affiliation.

1581
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 5: The people who want to make the call wanted Hugh Freeze.

1582
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 4: That is inherently good for Auburn right now.

1583
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 5: I thought a couple of years ago it was inherently

1584
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 5: good that they would a completely different direction that they

1585
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 5: got outside of the old family in the gill Old

1586
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 5: Bowl network, and.

1587
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 4: They went and found a guy that could just come

1588
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 4: coach Baul Well.

1589
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 5: That blew up in Auburn's faith, so that I was

1590
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 5: proven wrong there.

1591
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 4: This is different.

1592
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 5: This is a guy that a lot of folks that matter,

1593
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 5: a lot of folks that give a lot of money

1594
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 5: want in place.

1595
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 4: I think that will help. The NIL situation is healthy.

1596
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 4: That's obviously going to help his ties to the league.

1597
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 4: The offense that he runs is going to help.

1598
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 5: Now that roster needs to be flipped, so I don't

1599
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 5: think it's going to happen next year. But with the

1600
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 5: buy in across the board with people who are affiliated

1601
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 5: with Auburn, the success that he's had in the past,

1602
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 5: I think he's brought in a good staff.

1603
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 4: I think he's got a good chance to go win

1604
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 4: a lot of football games.

1605
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 5: Now they've got to get players to do it, and

1606
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 5: they got some good coaches on that staff that can

1607
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 5: help them win. But I think there's a really good

1608
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 5: chance that Hugh Freeze can find a lot of success

1609
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 5: for a long time.

1610
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: You know how, the most simplistic way to gauge the

1611
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: effectiveness of a coaching higher is this. Memhi used to

1612
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: tell me this all the time. How do your rivals

1613
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: react when they first hear the news. I don't mean

1614
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: the fan bases. I mean when Nick Saban found out

1615
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: Auburn had hired Hugh Freeze. I really don't think he

1616
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: gave a quiet fist bump. I don't think Kirby said

1617
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: all right, because both of them dealt with him over

1618
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: at Alabama for a few years, and both of them

1619
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: understand I don't care if he beat him two times

1620
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: in a row, or they beat him at the gun

1621
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: two times in a row. They weren't easy offenses to

1622
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: deal with. They are a thorn in the side of

1623
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: some of the folks that he'll play every year. And

1624
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: as for the outside criticism, and there was a healthy

1625
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: amount of internal criticism. I was frankly taken aback by

1626
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: how much internal criticism from the Auburn fan base there was.

1627
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: But I get it, even though I was surprised by

1628
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: it and may disagree a little bit with it. As

1629
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: for the external, you better hope your rivals are criticizing

1630
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: your hire. If they're patting you on the back and

1631
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: telling you good for you, guys, you're gonna be looking

1632
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: for a new guy in twenty four months.

1633
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 5: I agree with everything you said, and I actually feel

1634
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 5: a little bit different about it.

1635
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 4: The stuff at the stuff at Liberty, I don't think people.

1636
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 5: Have done their due diligence on looking into exactly, most importantly,

1637
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 5: when and how those things took place.

1638
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 4: Is it excusable?

1639
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 5: No, Still, bad decisions should never happen. Now looking back

1640
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 5: at some of the stuff at Old miss that there

1641
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 5: are some things that could be considered egregious. Obviously, the

1642
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 5: personal items. I'd be the last one to jump on

1643
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 5: here and say that somebody who screwed up in their

1644
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 5: past doesn't deserve another chance, because I've had plenty, and

1645
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 5: I've screwed up bad, and some of my mistakes have

1646
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 5: been in the public eye and people still want to

1647
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 5: talk about those with me.

1648
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 4: But you move on, you live.

1649
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 5: From it, you learn from it, you become a better person.

1650
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 5: So I'm not going to point a finger at that.

1651
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 5: My biggest concerns Josh, and I'm just be honest with you.

1652
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 5: And I would tell Hugh if he and I had

1653
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 5: this conversation, it's mentally and physically dealing with what you're

1654
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 5: gonna deal with, because, unfortunately for him, the rival fan

1655
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 5: bases of Auburn University.

1656
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 4: Know exactly what gets to him. And we've seen the

1657
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,799
Speaker 4: back and forth about social media.

1658
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 5: If it's his if it's not his school contract, whatever,

1659
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 5: every Alabama fan nosle gets to him, every Georgia fan

1660
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 5: Knowsle gets to him. And now you have a built

1661
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 5: in enemy in Old miss a built in enemy in

1662
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 5: Mississippi State, and your former boss is working.

1663
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 4: At A and M.

1664
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 5: That's a lot of built in animosity and enemy firepower

1665
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 5: that you're gonna have to deal with every single day.

1666
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 5: I do radio in Birmingham, Alabama. I understand what that

1667
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 5: fan base is capable of. So that's the part that

1668
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 5: I have a bigger concern about. It's nothing from ten

1669
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 5: years ago or five years ago. I just the personality

1670
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 5: and the defense mechanisms.

1671
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 4: That's got to change, and that's something that's got.

1672
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 5: To be managed and under control because it can just

1673
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 5: you and it can become a problem. And if he

1674
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 5: can manage that, then I think he puts a lot

1675
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,839
Speaker 5: of my concerns to rest on just how much success

1676
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 5: he'll really have.

1677
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: I've actually never even thought about it from that point

1678
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: of view. I've always thought this in recent history was

1679
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: the toughest job in college football. When you marry your

1680
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: schedule and expectation, it's uniquely challenging because of the guide

1681
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: they just hired. Okay, so I'll build off that. He

1682
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: may change things for six months and be fine. It's

1683
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: really tough at his age, at any age, it's tough

1684
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: to turn that kind of characteristic off. That is, and

1685
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: you know your family's hearing it too. That is hard

1686
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: to do. Hey, would you consider yourself an Auburn good

1687
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: old boy? Are you a member of that network?

1688
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 5: Considering how many people asked me for my advice on

1689
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 5: important decisions, I would say absolutely not. There are not

1690
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 5: too many important people that give it damn about what

1691
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 5: I think or what I say.

1692
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: So I guess if we continue to scale Tube Show,

1693
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: if we continue to scale Mac and Cube, that that

1694
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: eventually goes from just Birmingham to national. I think it's

1695
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: only a matter of time. If we continue to scale

1696
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: that sideline work with the SEC network in ESPN, those

1697
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: pockets are eventually going to be so deep they can't say.

1698
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 4: No like you.

1699
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: You will do in Homewood, what's being done down in Abbeville, Alabama.

1700
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: Insiders understand what I'm talking about. There could be one year,

1701
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: could be two years. But you we're gonna make a

1702
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: good old boy out of you.

1703
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 5: Well, we'll see, we'll get there. I want the best, Robert,

1704
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 5: I want over to be great, But I don't know

1705
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 5: if I have the pockets to be able to consider

1706
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 5: to be in that club yet or ever.

1707
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you're drawing a paycheck period, you can

1708
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: be a booster at payte state. Brother. I appreciate you

1709
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: joining us. Is there anything else you need to plug

1710
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:44,799
Speaker 1: that I did not plug?

1711
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 4: No, think I think you nailed at all.

1712
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, there's a lot of things, but uh, we're trying

1713
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 5: to make them go. Just dealing with McElroy every morning

1714
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 5: JOCKSAFILM dot com and then uh yeah, shoot that podcast

1715
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 5: out on Sundays. Just I think we need more college

1716
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 5: football content on Sundays. That's why I appreciate your show

1717
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 5: Sunday nights. And you know good and well, when I'm

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Speaker 5: up at five point thirty in the studio, I'm sending

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Speaker 5: you text and pictures of what you talked about the

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Speaker 5: night before because I can't stay up for it. I'm

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Speaker 5: too damn tired on Sunday nights in the season. But

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Speaker 5: I do catch up on Monday mornings.

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Speaker 4: So if you helped me greatly with my prep there.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Rogers has the wheels up deal? Where's the private

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Speaker 1: aviation for you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's at that's at Homewood Twain Hobby.

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Speaker 5: They have they have remote control airplanes and I might

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Speaker 5: be able to afford one of those, and we're gonna

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Speaker 5: use that to send my charts from one place to

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Speaker 5: the other and hopefully that'll I'll cut down on the airfare.

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Speaker 4: For my travels. Yeah, that's uff that's not in my

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Speaker 4: wheels are always down.

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Speaker 1: I'm ending on that coast Feverick. I appreciate it, man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys joining us. Make sure you like

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Speaker 1: the video. Make sure you subscribe to the Chattel. Were

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Speaker 1: directing column from producer Jesse for the inaugural speaker in

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Speaker 1: the Pate State Scheming series for People, and I'm Josh

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Speaker 1: Bate yourself a great restaurant, God bless him