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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: I am back from Italy. Buck. I am jet lagged.

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Speaker 1: We got in last night around midnight. Probably will take

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Speaker 1: me a few days to get back to complete normalcy.

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Speaker 1: But an incredible trip over to Italy if you ever

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Speaker 1: get the opportunity to go. I'd never been before. We

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Speaker 1: took the whole crew. I posted some photos. I think

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Speaker 1: we had him up at Clay and Buck also had

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Speaker 1: him up at Instagram of the trip Florence, Rome and Naples.

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Speaker 1: Last day, Buck, we spent in Pompey, which was incredible,

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Speaker 1: covered by the eruption of Mount Vesuvius. Hike to the

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Speaker 1: top of Mount Vesuvius. Just an awesome time. And I

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Speaker 1: tweeted a little bit about this, But we talked regularly

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Speaker 1: on this show about what history nerds we are. And

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into Trump versus De Santis. Trump said

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Speaker 1: he was going to get arrested today. It does not

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Speaker 1: appear that that's likely to happen. We're going to break

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Speaker 1: down New York City case Valvin Bragg, and we'll also

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Speaker 1: talk about doctor Fauci providing receipts for the wise that

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Speaker 1: he was sharing while they were working on a hagiography

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Speaker 1: documentary that is going to air on PBS. All of

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Speaker 1: that coming your way and more. But what I come

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Speaker 1: back from Italy with is a renewed appreciation for our

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Speaker 1: founding fathers, how brilliant they were to study the history

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Speaker 1: of Greece and Rome, but also just how short, just

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Speaker 1: how incredibly short our entire nation's history is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you're walking into the Pantheon, which is two thousand

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Speaker 1: years consistently in Rome, and you do the math and

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Speaker 1: almost eighteen hundred years of this building's existence before the

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Speaker 1: United States even came into being. I mean, it just

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Speaker 1: is wild to kind of have that perspective. Also from

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Speaker 1: a religious perspective, we went to Vatican City, but the

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Speaker 1: historical aspects of Jesus, I think in many ways that

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Speaker 1: entire period it feels so remote to people, and then

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Speaker 1: you're walking around in Rome and you're like, oh, wait,

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Speaker 1: this was here before Jesus, right touring the coliseum, all

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Speaker 1: these different places. It was just an incredible experience that

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Speaker 1: I think, I hope for my kids opens their mind

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Speaker 1: more substantially, But even for me as a middle aged

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Speaker 1: with a renewed appreciation for much of what we have

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Speaker 1: of the history of Rome and how it impacted the

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Speaker 1: United States, if that makes sense. Everybody was fantastic. People

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Speaker 1: The food was insanely had bucked. Just an awesome time.

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Speaker 1: It was a great to get away. I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you had a lot of fun. I

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Speaker 1: will say that here we are now being told that

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Speaker 1: Trump will not be indicted at least today. And maybe

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Speaker 1: it's because you know, Wiederp returned to town here, mister

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis. You know, maybe the Commies realized they were

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Speaker 1: misbehaving too much in your absence. Yes, you well know.

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Speaker 1: And we were texting some although thanks to everybody, I

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Speaker 1: I wasn't plugged in like I ordinarily would be, but

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Speaker 1: at six o'clock over six o'clock Eastern time, which is

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Speaker 1: midnight over there, eleven o'clock, whatever it is, and you

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Speaker 1: wake up to see what the stories are going to be.

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Speaker 1: For me, sometimes March madness, what was happening in the

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Speaker 1: and diving into this Alvin Bragg's story, Buck, I just

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Speaker 1: for people who listen, I've been predicting that Trump was

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Speaker 1: But I just don't think people are talking enough about

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Speaker 1: how outrageously without precedent this move is not only for

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Speaker 1: for decades to come. Democrats have tried similar shenanigans in

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Speaker 1: That's really the part of this that I think if

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Speaker 1: good table. He's like, it's completely insane. The Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is there a chance that brag backs off at this point?

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Speaker 1: Break those two down for YEA, that those are good questions.

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Speaker 1: And so the first one is it depends on what

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Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg's aim is. He overwhelmingly wins by bringing charges

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Speaker 1: to you which came to us. We played it on

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Speaker 1: It's also a strange thing to spend a few days

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Speaker 1: this Clay. This was there's a banking crisis that is

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Speaker 1: a campaign finance issue was the biggest story. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy. Andy McCarthy was saying that could this be

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Speaker 1: don't really think there's any doubt that the downside for

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Speaker 1: there's nothing but upside for him over the long term.

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Speaker 1: the digital currency side and on these um these non

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Speaker 1: fungible NFTs, non fungible tokens, which still whenever you have

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Speaker 1: someone try to explain to you what the what it is,

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Speaker 1: by the way, and I've had many people who are

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Speaker 1: Like you're not a question I always asked bucket is

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Speaker 1: trying to just strip yourself out of it and be like,

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Speaker 1: that's board and I'm supposed to pay a million dollars

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Speaker 1: for that. I just don't understand where the market is right,

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Speaker 1: ask yourself. Sometimes you just strip back all the questions.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to just say, wait, is this

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Speaker 1: something that people are gonna want most of the time?

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Speaker 1: If it's to me? If it again, it's a non

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Speaker 1: don't know necessarily that that's going to have a lot

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Speaker 1: of appeal. So we gotta We'll come back here and

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Speaker 1: get into the Biden veto, which this also affects your money,

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Speaker 1: your retirement accounts, and essentially Biden wants to make sure

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Speaker 1: he used his veto pen for the first time in

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton. We're joined now by our friend Annie McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: who just celebrated his thirtieth wedding anniversary. Congrats on that.

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Speaker 1: More importantly, congrats to your wife, who probably has had

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Speaker 1: to deal with a lot more over those thirty years

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Speaker 1: than you have. If she's anything like my own wife,

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Speaker 1: Um and uh Andy, I'm curious as a thirtieth the

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Speaker 1: wedding anniversary present, would you be ecstatic to get Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers as the quarterback of your New York Jets. I

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Speaker 1: think I'd be more ecstatic than my wife. Frankly, but

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Speaker 1: you already lost your reliever by the way to the

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Speaker 1: World Baseball Classics. I know you're a big Mets fan,

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Speaker 1: so it feels like maybe you do deserve Aaron. Well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and if his arm is still good enough, maybe he

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Speaker 1: can replaced as we could kill, no doubt, all right,

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Speaker 1: So I hope he's ready to play. That's all, Buck.

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Speaker 1: It's just this is like when you brought up el

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Speaker 1: Sid Bucket, you got no idea what I got nothing?

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Speaker 1: I got nothing? Sorry, all right, Andy, you and and

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Speaker 1: then I and Buck. We've been having this ongoing conversation

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Speaker 1: about all the different investigations going on into Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: and my theory had been that one of these local prosecutors,

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Speaker 1: either in Georgia or New York would decide that they

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Speaker 1: have so much political upside that they would bring a

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Speaker 1: charge against Trump, and maybe both still will. How do

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Speaker 1: you see this playing out? How does it impact the

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice investigations? What do you think Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: and Merrick Garland are thinking as they watch what Alvin

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Speaker 1: Bragg is doing, and also what continues to go on

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Speaker 1: down in Atlanta. Well, I think you're entirely right about

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Speaker 1: the likelihood of the local prosecutors pulling the trigger first,

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Speaker 1: because you know, I don't think we I think the

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Speaker 1: media is very pot of Washington centric and we probably

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Speaker 1: don't focus on this enough. But unlike in the federal system,

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Speaker 1: the state attorney generals and the and the local prosecutors,

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Speaker 1: like the district attorney in Manhattan, they're elected officials. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: politics pervades what they do in Manhattan and in big cities,

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Speaker 1: you know, their progressive partisan Democrats, so you know they

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Speaker 1: have a political incentive to do this that goes beyond

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Speaker 1: just like how it helps Democrats and how it helps

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Speaker 1: their twenty twenty four positions visa the Trump It's good

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Speaker 1: politics in Manhattan, even if it's atrocious law enforcement. It's

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Speaker 1: good politics in Manhattan for Alvin Bragg to do this. Hey, Andy,

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Speaker 1: it's buck. Do you think that there's any chance at

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Speaker 1: this point, given the delay, that this could actually be averted.

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Speaker 1: I've even seen some analysts on CNN saying maybe Bragg

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the stomach for this after all. But as

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Speaker 1: far as Clay, and I can see there's really no

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Speaker 1: and you kind of laid this out. With the political

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Speaker 1: situation in New York City and for the District Attorney's office,

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Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to be any downside for Bragg. I

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Speaker 1: mean downside for the rule of law, et cetera, but

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Speaker 1: for the DA himself. Do you think do you think

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Speaker 1: he's feeling the heat? Well, you know, let's let's remember book,

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Speaker 1: he did walk away from this case once before, so

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Speaker 1: it obviously does make him nervous. A year ago he

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Speaker 1: walked away from this case. And it's important that people

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Speaker 1: understand the FEDS head this case. First my old office,

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Speaker 1: the Southern District of New York, which famously does not

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Speaker 1: give up cases that are attractive cases to the District

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Speaker 1: Attorney's office, or are the federal prosecutors, but they didn't

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Speaker 1: want to touch this one. So I think Bragg has

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Speaker 1: at least signaled that he appreciates this some downside. He

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Speaker 1: could be very embarrassed if if Trumpet were to get acquitted.

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Speaker 1: But I think, you know, generally speaking, I think the

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Speaker 1: politics favor charging trump in New York. For an ambitious

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Speaker 1: district attorney, how much he would be humiliated if if

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Speaker 1: he lost the case. I don't know. It's a weak case.

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Speaker 1: It's obviously he's obviously looking at it as a felony

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Speaker 1: because he wouldn't need the grand jury to indict a misdemeanor,

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Speaker 1: so you only get grand jury right as far as

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Speaker 1: a felony prosecution's concerned. So they're clearly looking at this

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Speaker 1: is a felony. But I have to tell you I

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Speaker 1: don't see it. I mean, I'm obviously he knows bragging.

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Speaker 1: His investigators know a lot more than I do. And

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Speaker 1: we'll have to see what the crime looks like when

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Speaker 1: we get a look at the indictment, if we do.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just not seeing it. What they're

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Speaker 1: talking about here is falsification of business records. I can

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Speaker 1: see what he's talking about there, although I still think

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Speaker 1: it's not it's anything but a slam dunk case. But

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Speaker 1: the second thing he'd have to show in order to

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Speaker 1: get the felony is that he'd have to prove beyond

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Speaker 1: the reasonable doubt that Trump intended to conceal another crime

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Speaker 1: by falsifying the business records. I don't see what the

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Speaker 1: other crime is. I think it has to be in

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Speaker 1: New York crime. I don't see another New York crime here.

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Speaker 1: But more to the point, I think the sensible interpretation

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Speaker 1: of the facts as we know them is that Trump

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Speaker 1: probably didn't want Milania to find out that he entered

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Speaker 1: a non disclosure agreement with a porn star, and he

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Speaker 1: didn't want this to come out before the twenty sixteen election.

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Speaker 1: Those may be indecorous, but they're not felonies, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not another crime. And what would happen if Trump?

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Speaker 1: And I understand, I think you're right. I think ultimately

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Speaker 1: Trump didn't want Milannia to know, and so he signed

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Speaker 1: this nondisclosure agreement. It also implicated maybe the campaign. But

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Speaker 1: what would happen if Trump came out and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm apologized privately to my wife. I was stupid. I

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Speaker 1: had a one time sexual event, you know, liaison with

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Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels, and I was embarrassed by it, and so

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Speaker 1: I decided that I should that I didn't want that

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Speaker 1: to go public. Doesn't that basically in this case? I

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Speaker 1: mean because again, no, Clay, No, you know why because

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Speaker 1: because then there's an intent. Okay, so he's admitting to

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Speaker 1: an intent. Then well, but the other thing is to

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Speaker 1: the theory that Bragg is pursuing. It really doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: whether the thing between Trump and Stormy Daniels happened or not.

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Speaker 1: It's irrelevant. What matters is how they booked the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's where and that's where it gets interesting, right,

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Speaker 1: because most campaign finance law, and I studied it, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you've prosecuted, it is about keeping people from getting

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Speaker 1: money from donors. Right, I'm not going to buy myself

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Speaker 1: a Lamborghini with my campaign funds. Correct. In this situation,

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Speaker 1: Trump actually gave away Like this is why it's so

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Speaker 1: convoluted to even consider it a campaign finance violation. In

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Speaker 1: my mind, I'm curious if you've ever seen anything like this.

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Speaker 1: Trump actually, in this case gave away his own MI

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Speaker 1: understanding is personal money, which is the exact opposite of

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Speaker 1: what campaign finance laws are designed to to kind of police. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and there's a good argument that it wasn't really campaign related, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's an argument that it was obviously, but

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be very difficult to prove that this

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Speaker 1: was a campaign finance violation. I think that's a large

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Speaker 1: part of the reason the Southern District of New York.

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Speaker 1: The federal prosecutors walked away from it. But the other

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Speaker 1: thing here is, you know, when the New York Statute

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Speaker 1: says conceal another crime, which is what a quote of

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Speaker 1: what the statute says, they have to be talking about

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Speaker 1: a New York crime. I mean, you know, we have

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Speaker 1: to assume that in the New York penal code when

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Speaker 1: they talk about another crime. It's not like it's not

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Speaker 1: a crime against Shariah, right, not a crime against France. Right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think a federal crime, does it. I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a New York crime, just so

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Speaker 1: I can as the non lawyer here for a second.

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying is that the whole thing hinges on.

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Speaker 1: It seems that then that the misrepresentation of how these

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Speaker 1: considered a felony is if it's concealing a federal crime

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Speaker 1: that Trump has not been accused of, indicted for, etc. Right,

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Speaker 1: is that he's going out I think like it would

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Speaker 1: have to be a violation of New York state law, right,

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Speaker 1: because this New York state Uh No. But but isn't

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Speaker 1: the DA claiming that that he violated a federal law

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Speaker 1: by doing this in the or is it he's claiming

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Speaker 1: that there's what what is the state law violation as

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Speaker 1: it pertains to the campaign finance? Well, this is important.

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Speaker 1: I mean we have we have to wait to see

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Speaker 1: the indictment to see what his theory is about what

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Speaker 1: the other crime is. But what I'm saying is if

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Speaker 1: he hangs his head on a federal crime, That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, Well, what I'm saying is he's got

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Speaker 1: a legal problem in that I don't think a federal

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Speaker 1: crime is eligible under the He can't cherry pick a

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Speaker 1: federal statue to justify the felony and enhancement of the

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Speaker 1: New York state crime that he's alleging here right right

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Speaker 1: by the way we does it here? This is like

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Speaker 1: does Andy, They're indicting possibly a former president over this.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is crazy, Like just even this discussion

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Speaker 1: shows how crazy it is. Yeah, but again, you know,

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Speaker 1: this almost brings us back to where we started, right,

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Speaker 1: It's crazy unless it's good politics for a progressive in Manhattan.

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Speaker 1: So what's the time frame? Nuts, what's the time frame

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Speaker 1: on this? Andy? Because uh Buck and I both think

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Speaker 1: this benefits Trump politically, I presume and I that this

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Speaker 1: would take a while for the case to play itself

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Speaker 1: out in your experience, and you may not even know

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Speaker 1: because this is a hard thing. There's not a lot

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Speaker 1: of precedent on this. We're now sitting at almost April, right.

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Speaker 1: The voting in Iowa starts in January, and the primary

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Speaker 1: season kicks into high gear, certainly by September or October.

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Speaker 1: To the extent that it's not already in high gear,

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Speaker 1: what's the time for him on a case like this? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know play. The other thing is I've stud

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Speaker 1: again and again. Um, you know, once the first prosecute

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Speaker 1: across is the rubicon. It's not like this is the

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Speaker 1: only case. Yeah, right. I mentioned that earlier se for

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Speaker 1: that tension wherever died. Right, there could be three other

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Speaker 1: cases the role we know. But what we understand is

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Speaker 1: this is a Monday, Wednesday, Thursday grand jury that they

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Speaker 1: meet in the afternoons of those of those days of

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Speaker 1: the week. So I think the earliest they could indict

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Speaker 1: would be tomorrow. I think it's probably more likely if

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Speaker 1: they're going to indict this week, it'll be Thursday. But

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Speaker 1: we don't have any control over that. Or awareness, and

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Speaker 1: he can I can ask also because you understand the

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Speaker 1: processes here. There was some criticism coming from the right

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Speaker 1: of discantists over the week and people saying, well, he

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Speaker 1: should put out a statement that this is abuse and

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Speaker 1: that they're not going to extra diet. How does that?

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Speaker 1: What's the show? What on whether the governor of Florida

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Speaker 1: can do anything to even slow or examine the process

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Speaker 1: of Trump being transferred up to New York. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I assume Trump would surrender himself, Like, how does that

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Speaker 1: all actually play out? So you have a right, buck

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Speaker 1: if you get arrested in the United States and you're

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Speaker 1: an American citizen, you get let's say you get arrested

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Speaker 1: in or you get charged in State one, but you're

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Speaker 1: in State two, you have a right to fight expedition.

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Speaker 1: But it's pointless to do it because the law is

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Speaker 1: very clear. The states have mutual obligations to each other

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Speaker 1: to make sure that people who've been charged are sent

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Speaker 1: to the place where they've been charged to appear. So

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Speaker 1: Trump could, in theory fight it. DeSantis would be nuts

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Speaker 1: to get involved in this, not least because Florida has

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Speaker 1: a you know, his interest is not you know, what

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Speaker 1: happens to Donald Trump. His image is being a good

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Speaker 1: interest is to be a good governor of Florida. Florida

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Speaker 1: is a very important relations with the New York law

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Speaker 1: enforcement people. You know, it goes both ways. So there's

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Speaker 1: no reason. This is why governors typically don't get involved

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Speaker 1: in this stuff, and he shouldn't get involved in this

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Speaker 1: individual case other than to do what he did yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I think, which is to criticize the you know, nakedly

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Speaker 1: partisan nature of what Bragg is doing. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't get involved in it. I think you know,

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Speaker 1: as you know Buck as well as anyone. You know,

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Speaker 1: the NYPD and the Secret Service are very good police

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Speaker 1: organizations and they have very good relations with each other.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of Secret Service protectees who spend a

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Speaker 1: lot of time in New York, so these guys coordinate

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Speaker 1: all the time. So I think, you know, that's just

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Speaker 1: for everybody listening to the the origins of the Intelligence Division,

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Speaker 1: where I worked before the nine to eleven ear was

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Speaker 1: actually dealing with VIP protectees, including Secret Service in New

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Speaker 1: York City, yep, yep. So they work well together. You're

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Speaker 1: not going to see Trump like you know, like tops

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Speaker 1: come up to ump and slap handcuffs on him and dragoman.

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Speaker 1: This is a non violent It kills me to even

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Speaker 1: call us a crime, but it's a non violent crime allegation.

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Speaker 1: So what I imagine will happen is the NYPD, the

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Speaker 1: DA's office, and the Secret Service will arrange for Trump

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Speaker 1: to surrender at some point on the charge. This goes

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Speaker 1: to what play was talking about before. What happens from here.

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Speaker 1: They surrender, He'll be processed like anyone else. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they'll cuff him, but he'll get fingerprinted and photographed.

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Speaker 1: They'll bring him before a judge for a quick hearing,

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Speaker 1: probably enter a not guilty plea. They won't be bailed

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Speaker 1: because it's non violent. He'll be released on his own recognizance,

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Speaker 1: and then the case will be assigned to a trial

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Speaker 1: judge and they'll have, you know, pre trial motions. It's

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Speaker 1: very congested in the courts of New York City, so

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Speaker 1: it maybe a long time before they can schedule this.

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Speaker 1: I really don't have a good answer to the question

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Speaker 1: of like, will it be months from now, will it

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Speaker 1: be you know, will be sometime next year. I just

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Speaker 1: I don't know when they'll schedule this. It's a logistical

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Speaker 1: nightmare obviously for the cops in the Secret Service. You know,

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Speaker 1: every time Trump's going to have to come from Florida,

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Speaker 1: appear to appear in court, and then again you have

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Speaker 1: the wild card of these other investigations, and if prosecutors

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Speaker 1: file other indictments, then these courts and prosecutors are going

727
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Speaker 1: to have to get together to figure out who goes

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Speaker 1: first and on what schedule? Andy quickly here do you

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Speaker 1: think the Biden Department of Justice are they having private,

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes conversations with Alvin Bragg or are they

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Speaker 1: terrified to have any connection with them at all. I

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Speaker 1: think it's more likely that they're having behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: conversations with Fanny Willis, who is the the prosecutor in

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Speaker 1: Fulton County, because her case is very important to their case,

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Speaker 1: to the extent that they want to do something on

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Speaker 1: the the twenty twenty election stuff. What happened in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: The witnesses to what happened in Georgia are critically important

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Speaker 1: as far as Bragg's thing is concerned. To me, this

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Speaker 1: is such a weak case that the Southern District of

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Speaker 1: New York already walked away from it. If I'm the fence,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to have a thing to do with

742
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Speaker 1: this because if it turns out that it's a disaster

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Speaker 1: of a case and it blows up, they don't want

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Speaker 1: to They don't want their fingerprints on this at all.

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Speaker 1: They want to be able to say, look, this is

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Speaker 1: why we didn't bring this case in the first place. Andy,

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Speaker 1: keep that phone notifications turned on, because you know, at

748
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Speaker 1: any moment, your phone's gonna blow up, like it's probably

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Speaker 1: never blown up before. Yeah, well you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's another fifteen minutes for me, right, I could play

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Speaker 1: congrats on that thirty at the anniversary. Yeah, thanks, Andy,

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Speaker 1: always appreciate your buddy congrats. Well, we've talked about how

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Speaker 1: huge asset managers names you know, are using your retirement

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Speaker 1: Here's a clip from Tutor's first episode, talking about firearms

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Speaker 1: It was probably one of the most nerve racking moments

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Speaker 1: find Rick's story very interesting. Yeah, I think that she's

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Speaker 1: going to be a great voice Clay on the network.

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Speaker 1: We're excited to have her. We've got some other folks

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Speaker 1: the all the graphics, all the data you can see

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Speaker 1: for um, the younger generations gen Z and do we

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Speaker 1: know what? What does something come after gen Z? Yet?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that's my kids. Yeah, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to think of what generation those kids, my kids are in.

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Speaker 1: I was actually looking this up the other day, But

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Speaker 1: they are in the post gen Z universe, post gen Z.

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Speaker 1: They gotta get a better name than that. Well, I know,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, I don't even know what they're I think

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Speaker 1: that's there will be a generation after them, so that

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Speaker 1: wouldn't actually make any sense. Aha. By the way, Gen

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Speaker 1: the Greek alphabet, yeah, Look, I think it's important to

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Speaker 1: But however, you can tell folks about what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: If you're a daily listener, you appreciate what we do.

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Speaker 1: Love listening to y'all every day, Kendra. In that tiny

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