1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: If you want Colts Talk all year long, you're in 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: the right place. Over the metal. Michael Pittman Junior. There 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: we go. He's at the forty. He's at the thirty 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: slips of the tackle. 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: Twenty ten five touchdown. Michael Pittman Junior. 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: Takes it seventy five yards two the house. 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: Big one angling left, forty He's at the thirty gallanier sideline. 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Twenty fifty kid five touchdown. Jonathan Taylor take forty nine 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: yard galloped top paydirt in the Indiana Union Construction Industry 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: Radio Studio. Let's get the podcast started. What's up? 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 2: Everyone, Welcome into another episode of the Official Colts Podcast 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 2: here on the Colts Audio Network and on the Colts 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: YouTube channel. I'm Jaj Stankavitz, joined by Lara Overton and 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: our special guest for the whole podcast today, it's coach 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: Rick Van Turrey. 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: Rick. 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: We wanted to bring you on because you have a 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: very close connection to the two two of the I 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: shouldn't even say the two because Pete Carroll is no 20 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: longer in his position, but two of the head coaches 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: who are no longer in the places that they've been 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: in for a very long time in one at for 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: a very long time, Bill Belichick and Nick Saban. Just 24 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: for people who maybe don't know, give us the background, 25 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: how you know them, what team you were with, and 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: what your position was working with those two guys. 27 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: Well, I'll go all the way back. 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: Let's go all the way. 29 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: My first meeting with Belichick was through a conduit, a 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: guy named Ernie Adams, who was his right hand man forever, 31 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: who had worked with me at Northwestern back in college. Okay, 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: and this was the nineteen let's see, what was it. 33 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: It was the nineteen eighty one season, and they invited 34 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: me down to they were playing the then Saint Louis Cardinals. 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: Bill was with the Giants, and so I went down 36 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: and spent an afternoon with them, and that's where I 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: met Bill for the first time. And then years after 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: that we were coaching the thirty four in Indiana Appolis. 39 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: He was in the thirty four of the Giants, and 40 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: so like at Mobile or at the Combine, and in 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: those days you had more free time. We would get 42 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: together and actually seminar on what we were doing in 43 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: the thirty the problems we were having, what we would 44 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: in the thirty four. 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: You were talking about a three down defensive line. 46 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: Four yeah, three four defense? Okay, what did I say? 47 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: Thirty four defense? Okay. Then in nineteen ninety three, I 48 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: was with the Colts with Marchha Broda and we played 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: in the Senior Bowl against Bill Belichick, Nick Saban and 50 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Brown staff. After the game, we flew back 51 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: to Atlanta together and then we parted and I sat 52 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: next to Nick Saban Okay, just ironically our square next 53 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: to one another, and we both struck up a deep 54 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: conversation and I really liked him. I really did like him. 55 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: I was a little bit older than those guys, but 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: I really liked him. And then we went our separate ways. 57 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: And then when it went down for me and Indy 58 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: after the ninety three season, Bill wanted to bring somebody 59 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: in that would relieve Nick of coaching the defensive backs 60 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: in the secondary and let him just walk around walk around. 61 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: Coordinator wasn't as you know, it wasn't. 62 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: As as was the head coach was a defensive head coach. 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick or Nick Saban was the defensive coordinator. They 64 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: had had three straight losing seasons, so they were a 65 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: little bit in the corner and Bill wanted to make 66 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: some changes. He brought me in. I was a little 67 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: bit more experienced, I'll give you that story. But Nick 68 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: was a defensive coordinator. So I went up and for 69 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: the interview. In an interview with Bill was crazy. I 70 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: mean it was. It was two days. They put me 71 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: in a room by myself and gave me a project. 72 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: I remember the project like yesterday. You know, they had 73 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: Stefan Moore and Eric Turner and they wanted to know 74 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: should we play him strong or free? So they gave 75 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: me all the tape. Go look at the tape and 76 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: then give me a report. You know. This was a 77 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: part of the interview. And then that particular night though 78 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: there we had a big banquet downtown Cleveland. It was 79 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: a big Brown's banquet. It just ironically happened to be 80 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: that night, and I rode down with Uh, with Nick 81 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: and Miss Terry she was just Terry then it's Miss 82 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: They all became Miss Terry and Miss Sherry when we 83 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: lived in Louisiana. Okay, that that's what changed that. But anyway, 84 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: and we we bonded, the three of us just bonded 85 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: from chemistry wise was great. So uh, but I hadn't 86 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: coached the secondary in the pro ranks, I had been 87 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator and coach linebackers. I hadn't coached secondary. 88 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: So Nick had a little concern. Bill didn't. But Nick 89 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: had a little concern about that. 90 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 3: Don't you feel like if Bill's not concerned. 91 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: That should be so So, you know, so we get 92 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: together and we start we talk a lot of football, 93 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: and we had done a lot here with the nickel 94 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: because we had to play against the Buffalo Bills the 95 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: K gun, you know, with Kelly and that crew, and 96 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: they knew it was coming and they liked my ideas 97 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: on that. But Nick was a little bit nervous. So 98 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: Nick said, Rick, what you know? What you know, you 99 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: haven't coached the secretary. I'm a little bit nervous. And 100 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: so I remember saying to him, listen, if you will 101 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: do this for me, if you will come in every 102 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: Saturday in this offseason and you clinic me how you 103 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: coach it from A to Z, I will learn it. 104 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: I will coach it as you do with my own personality. Now, 105 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: in the meantime, Belichick had told me he put me 106 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: on the plane. It was like eleven o'clock at night 107 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: back to Indy and he said to me, Rick, I 108 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: don't care what you think about cover one, Cover two, 109 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: Cover three. I'm bringing in you in here to get 110 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: Eric Turner to play. Eric Turner had been the third round, 111 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: third pick in the draft and he just wasn't quite 112 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: playing up to stuff yet, and so that was my task. 113 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: He did end up being an AFC Player of the 114 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: Year that year, So I'll take I'll take a little 115 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: arrogant bow for that shit take. You know. You know 116 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, nine interceptions, one hundred and 117 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: four tackles and six sacks. Not bad, but so anyway, 118 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: so we did that. Now I went home. I didn't 119 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: have a job offer. He never talked money, just Belichick. 120 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: That's the way he is. Never talked anything. I go 121 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: home to Indy thinking, well, and I got an offer 122 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: on the table from the Bengals, so I'm probably probably 123 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: going to take it, and I was. I think it wasn't. 124 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: The next night. It was the night after that. I 125 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: get a call from Saving, like eleven o'clock at night 126 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: and he says, you got to be up here for 127 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: a personnel meeting mart eight And I'm going like, now, wait, 128 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: you know, does that me doesn't mean I have a 129 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: job with the Browns. And he said, just be here 130 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: at eight. I had I had to get like a six. 131 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: There was like a five thirty flight out of Indy 132 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: to Cleveland, really and that was my first day on 133 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: the job with the Cleveland Browns. And then you know, 134 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: we had his story. It's actually people forget this now 135 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: because of their success. I always call them, I always 136 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: say I'm bi before they were icons, Okay, And we 137 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: went on to eleven and five season, won our first 138 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: wildcard game in ninety four, and that was really the 139 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: first winning season that Bill Belichick ever really had and 140 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: then Nick went from there to the to be the 141 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: head coach at Michigan State. But I guess I guess 142 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: the thing that I could say, it's and you guys 143 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: have heard me. I know Lara has has heard me 144 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: say this. It's It was the most productive football year 145 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: of my life and most influential year of my life. 146 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: You know, it was probably the hardest year of my life. 147 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: But I think the influence that those two guys had 148 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: on me in that one season when we were together 149 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: probably influenced me more the rest of my coaching career 150 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: and even today as I do a broadcast or an analyzation, 151 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, or a podcast. Their influence runs deep with 152 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: me because I did recognize their greatness I think before, 153 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: but I would sit in those meetings that I would 154 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: sit in between them. I think my claim to fame 155 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: there is I sat in between those guys for eighteen 156 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: weeks in game planning. And think about that. That's maybe 157 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: arguably the best pro coach of all times and the 158 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: best college goes of all times. And we're all kind 159 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: of equal back then, you know, we all had input 160 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: into the game plans. So you know, it was, like 161 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: I said, it was a very hard year because I 162 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: mean with Bill, you just there was no stone left 163 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: on turnament and so you ended up when you're like that, 164 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: you just the hours just mount up. And we did 165 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of hours. But it was tremendous. It was 166 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: like a think tank. It was just great football. And 167 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: you know both of them mensa of the NFL right now, 168 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: Oh no, really, I mean, if I tell you who 169 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: was on that staff. We we have five interns on 170 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: our eighty four eighty five staff. Three of them became 171 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: general managers and two of them became head coaches. Eric 172 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: Mangini's first job was my ball boy as god. You 173 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: could ask him, I mean that's his first job. And 174 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: we had guys Barns. 175 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Rick correct me for the other 176 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: intern was jim Schwartz. 177 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: Okay, the other two. Here's the five interns, Jimmy Schwartz 178 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: and Eric Mangini who became head coach, and Jimmy still coaching, 179 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: Eric Stewing TV. And then you had Mike Tannembaum, Phil Savage, 180 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: and uh the kid that ended up being the Atlanta 181 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: Falcons just till last year, Joel Man. 182 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: Trust. Trust. 183 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: Those five guys were interns for us. They lived in 184 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: a room together, I think I think Bill Caveham like food. 185 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: That was it. And they worked around the clock. I mean, 186 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: I knew, I knew it was going to be a 187 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: tough job when they bring people in. I was getting 188 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: a haircut at eleven o'clock at night in the buildings, 189 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: So I mean, you knew that you were gonna it 190 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: was going to be something different, but just a great 191 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: learning experience. And the interesting thing is both of those 192 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: guys have similarities, but there are also some differences. Okay, similarities, 193 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: they both they both believe in the same way of 194 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: life when it comes to football. Now, what I mean 195 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: by way of life is it's all or nothing. You 196 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: are in it. There is nothing else that matters. Phil 197 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: Savage wrote the book on Saban down at Alabama. It's 198 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: one of the best books ever written on Saban's called 199 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: fourth and Goal. And the symbolism of the fourth and 200 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: goal is every day you're there, it's fourth and goal. 201 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: There's no time that you relax until you if you 202 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: get a vacation, that's it. Every time you're in it, 203 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: it's one hundred percent commitment to excellence all the time. 204 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: Both guys really smart guys, guys that could be successful 205 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: outside of the football range, very good, very highly intelligent people, 206 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: football savants. Both of them technical wizards as well, And 207 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: there's a difference. I always say, you can have a 208 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: guy can know x's and o's, but can you teach it? 209 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: Can you teach the A through Z? Whenever I interviewed 210 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: a guy along my career for a position, I could 211 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: always hear the buzzwords, but can you teach me? Can 212 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: you teach me how to play? You know? They both 213 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: drive people beyond where they think they could go. They 214 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: really do. They drive people beyond, you know, and I 215 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: think Saban had tremendous success in college because I think 216 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: it's a little bit easier at the college level for that. 217 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: And so, I mean, I think that was the similarities 218 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: are really there. That the difference is they're kind of 219 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: funny in a way in that Bill is pretty much 220 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: what you see. I mean, he's very methodical. Don't expect 221 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: a lot of ada boys or you know, good job. 222 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: It's I always he always used to say, you know, 223 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: do your job. That's you know, before it became a mantra, 224 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: and I used to say, what he really means, guys, 225 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: is do your job better than anybody else, or I'll 226 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: get somebody that will Well, it was you know, and 227 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: you you know, you you dealt. You were Bill kept 228 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: It was healthy in a way, but he kept you 229 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. I mean, you were always accountable. It didn't 230 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: matter if it was June first or September twenty fifth. 231 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: You were just always accountable. Every time you walked in 232 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: that building. You just you were a little bit on edge. 233 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: Nick on the other hand, was in those days, highly volatile. 234 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean he you know, he would explode. You know, 235 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: I've seen him slam the door, you know, and that 236 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Now, he really as as a head coach, 237 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: he really grew. I saw it throughout the years. Now, 238 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: I will say this for him. He would be very, 239 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: very tough during the week, on him and on everybody, 240 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: but at game time he was really calm. Both of 241 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: them really calm at game time. The other thing is 242 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: they're both very curious guys. And I really mean this. 243 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: I think it's so important is they were always looking 244 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: for a better way to do it. Even when the 245 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: championships were there, even when you know, National championship, super Bowls, 246 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: can we do it better? They would bring guys in. 247 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: They were always open. There was never a this is 248 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: a system, we got it now, you know. It was 249 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: never that way, ever and ever and ever. And then 250 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: there was a difference, and it was great when we 251 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,239 Speaker 1: combined it. There was a difference in how they approached 252 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: the x's and o's believe this or not way of life, 253 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: no difference. But in the x's and o's. Bill was 254 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: one of those guys that, despite his brilliance, wanted the 255 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: game plan package read. He wanted a very narrow game 256 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: plan that took away what you did on offense and 257 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: prevented you on defense from beating him. You know you 258 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: hear that. I call it game specific. He would come 259 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: in and you know, if he were playing the Colts, 260 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: he would say, Freenie and Mathis are not going to 261 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: beat us, do you? And he'd call us a name. 262 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: Do you guys understand this? And I don't want to 263 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: have this discussion on Sunday me That was a warning, 264 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, you know, so when you know, like when 265 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: we would go in, like he would say to us, like, 266 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: Nico Collins does not beat us. Do you get that? 267 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: So when you went into your meeting room as a 268 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: defensive staff, everything you would put up, every defense, every 269 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: blitz you accounted for Nico Collins. You never you never undressed. 270 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: And Nico Collins and his strength and he would go 271 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: to an extreme when he played the Colts in the 272 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: in the Glory days. He would commit five on three 273 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: in the back end on the passing game, play his 274 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: outside backers wide on Edgerin and Darre run inside. And 275 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: that's how he played the Colts all the time. Now 276 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: guys would look at that defense and say, you can't 277 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: play that, you can't open that up. But he would 278 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: go to an extreme to do it, and his brilliance 279 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: was in that reduction, in that specific game plan. I 280 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: asked him, when they said, Bill, you're driving me crazy, 281 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: I would do it. One on one of course, I 282 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: would say, you know, I'm nervous because I don't feel 283 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: like I have enough. And he would always say, don't 284 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: worry about it. We're gonna take away, we're gonna do best. 285 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: We're not gonna waste reps on things we're not gonna use. 286 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: And if they do something different, I'm gonna pull it 287 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: right out of the bag right there, and we're gonna 288 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: play it. Nick on the other hand, is like the 289 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: mad professor. Okay, Nick on the other hand, wants five 290 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: calls for that situation. A lot of checks in the defense. 291 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: You'll see it. I mean, if you watch Alabama play, 292 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of checks, even at the college level. 293 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: I think it really bothered him when and the offenses 294 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: evolved in college into those ninety five plays, chaotic, no huddle, 295 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, And he took me, he told me one day, 296 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: they're taking the damn coordinator out of the game, you know, 297 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: on defense, and so you know, there there were there 298 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: were there were selective differences and the neat thing is 299 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: we were able to put that together. But you know, 300 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: you know Belichick, it's just a matter of time until 301 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: he he takes another job. I mean, he's not for everybody. 302 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: You can see. It's not necessarily smooth talking with Atlanta 303 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: because to say he's set in his ways would say, 304 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, you can cure cancer with mecure chrome. I 305 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: mean it's not he's he is set in his ways. 306 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: And uh, I think I think Nick is done with coaching, 307 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: but I still see something big for him down the road. 308 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: I think with the chaos in college football, d NIL, 309 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: the transfer portal, and I think eventually you're going to 310 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: see a breaking away of the top football schools and 311 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: more of an NFL model regional revenue sharing, and they're 312 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: going to need like a czar to run that. And 313 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: what would be a more perfect guy than a guy 314 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: that was not only a big winner, but also doesn't 315 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: have skeletons. I mean, his guys, his kids graduate. You know, 316 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: Alabama's a first class program. I mean really, And so 317 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: I see both of them. I have stayed in closer 318 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: contract contact with Nick when he came to Baton Rouge 319 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: to be the head coach at Lsu. I was at 320 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: New Orleans as a defensive coordinator, so we got together 321 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: in seminar all the time, and Miss Terry and Miss Sherry, 322 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, always hit it off well. So we did 323 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: a couple of things socially. And then when he was 324 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: at Alabama, actually after he won his first national championship, 325 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: that was the year I was out of football and 326 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: John Gruden and I were together every day doing stuff 327 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: down in Tampa. He found out we were together, he 328 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: flew us both into Tuscaloosa and we clinic to his staff. 329 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: Believe this or not, this is after he won a 330 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: world championship. Again, that's that curiosity part of it. So yeah, 331 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: it's a it was a great experience. Like I said, 332 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: I'm very prideful of the fact that you know, you 333 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: sit in between, you know, two of the greatest of 334 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: all times, and. 335 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 3: I'm sure that they would say that about you. They 336 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 3: would talk about how much you brought to them. I 337 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: know how much I learned from you sit next to 338 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 3: you each and every day, and I know that how 339 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 3: much respect there is at that level of coaching when 340 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 3: you are among peers and all of that, and like 341 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 3: Rick just total coach to the Core comes in, He's 342 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 3: got his notes and everything. He's got any outlined over there. 343 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: I always joke coach that, like I don't watch reality 344 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: television because the NFL is the greatest reality television. And 345 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 3: like this time of year is kind of like the 346 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: NFL's Bachelor, right when you're waiting to see which teams 347 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: and which coaches pick each other and end up together. 348 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: But if there had been you know, reality TV back 349 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: in your days of of coaching the Cleveland Browns. So 350 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 3: much of what I think is intriguing about both Nick 351 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 3: and Bill is who they are off the field. And 352 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 3: you and I were texting back and forth, and we 353 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 3: text a lot, like in season, out of season all 354 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: the time, and you were kind of alluding to some 355 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: really great memories that you had. You talked about how 356 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: incredible that season was, sitting between those two guys game planning, 357 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 3: but just kind of off the field, some of your 358 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: your favorite moments that would have been you know, TV worthy. 359 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: Well, I'll just give you a couple of things on Bill, 360 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: because you know Bill. Bill is when you walk in 361 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: the building with him, Like I said, you're uncomfortable every day, 362 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: doesn't matter when it is. That's I'm the boss. We're 363 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: going to go through this. You're accountable. You don't do it, 364 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: I'll get somebody else. I mean not, you know, you're 365 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: just grinding all the time, all the time. But he's 366 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: a closet rocker, okay. I mean one of the things 367 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: that we did when I was with him that year 368 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: is he took us all to the Pink Floyd concert. 369 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: You know, and no, it's guy had he had a 370 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: loge in the Cleveland Stadium Pink Floyd came in. Uh, 371 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: he had us all there for that. He I you'd 372 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: have to check this, but I'm pretty sure. Oh. The 373 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: other big story is the like about the third Saturday 374 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: that I'm on the job in Cleveland. I'm down in 375 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: the weight room on our early Saturday morning waiting for 376 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: Nick to come in, and I'm gonna do this exercise 377 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: stuff and this this guy's behind me. He's on the 378 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: lap machine. He's got fairly long hair, but he doesn't 379 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: look like a player, you know, he's a slight type 380 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: of guy, you know. And he turns around, he walks 381 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: over to me and he doesn't know who I am. 382 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: And John bon joviie, you know, it was like, you know, 383 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: he was he was in the building. He was in 384 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: the building, and they had a great relationship from the 385 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: days in New Jersey when Bill was with the Giants 386 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: and Bonjoe. He's one of that Jersey Mafia retainers. And 387 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: there was one day in practice, Bon job He's running 388 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: routes with our receivers. I mean, you know, I mean, 389 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: who would have thought, you know, I mean and I 390 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: and I think. 391 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: Bill break halfway there? 392 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pretty good. I mean, I mean, no one 393 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: was going to challenge him, let's put it that way. 394 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: And then you know, I think he traveled with the 395 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: Stones for a little bit in Europe. You know, he's 396 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: a he's but if you get him off the field, 397 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: there is another side to him. And we used to 398 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: come in, we used to hit the parking lot about 399 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: the same time. And in those days, and that's a 400 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: million years ago. Those were the early days of talk radio, 401 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, the sports talk radio was you know, one 402 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: of the first was in Cleveland. But we would both 403 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: listen to Howard Stern on the way in. I mean, 404 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: I listen to how Stern in thirty years. But we 405 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: just both happened to be into that show in the morning, 406 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: and there were times we'd get out of the car 407 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: together and he would laugh and say something medi you 408 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: hear what he just said, you know, But then it 409 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 1: was we walked in that door. You know, we had 410 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: no Howard Stern and I mean and Nick was a 411 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: little bit different because we would have a good time socially, 412 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: but like like when we would go to baton Rous, 413 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: Miss Sherry and I. He had a little Italian place 414 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: and they would have a special room that we could 415 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: go back and laugh and you know, and you know, 416 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: he wasn't a big social butterfly, but he, you know, 417 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: as he's gotten as a head coach and expanded his life. 418 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he has property on the lake in Georgia. 419 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: He's a mansion down in Jupiter, Florida. I mean, so 420 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: he does really enjoy life. But my experiences with him 421 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: were a couple funny ones. Is that we're in the 422 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: playoffs in ninety four. We're getting ready to play the 423 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: wildcard game with the New England Patriots and Bill Parcells 424 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: and Drew Bledsoe and Nick has just taken, with everyone's 425 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: blessing the head job at Michigan State. But he said, 426 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: I will not leave till the playoff are over. I'm not, 427 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, I owe it to the Browns. And so 428 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: we're meeting and then you know, we're there late at night. 429 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: I mean late, I'm talking late at night. And you know, 430 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: one night he was struggling trying to get things organized 431 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: at Michigan State when he wasn't there. And one night 432 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: he comes in and I was right from you to 433 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: he shut the door, slammed the door. You know, all 434 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: these guys, I can't get it done. I can't you know, 435 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: just this. I can't get this guy to do this. 436 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: I can't get you know. And I said, hey, hey, 437 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: slow down, just send miss Terry up there. She'll take 438 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: care of the whole damn thing. And he laughed. And 439 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: the funny thing, it's been published, and it was a 440 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: true story because she's like the CEO. I mean really 441 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: she she has really been behind his career. I mean 442 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: a she is into the game. She's with the donors, 443 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: she's in the recruiting weekends with the parents. She has 444 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: been a tremendous force behind him. I always love the 445 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: story that they went back to where Virginia. They're both 446 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: from West Virginia, you know, and they went back for 447 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: some function and they drive by this gas station, and 448 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: apparently Terry had dated this guy that owned the gas station. 449 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: So Nick says to her, He says to her, see, Terry, 450 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: if you would have married him, you'd have had that 451 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: gas station. And Miss Terry, you got no misstery. Miss 452 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: Terry says to him, No, if I married him, he'd 453 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: be the head coach at Alabama. So I think some 454 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: of my greatest times with Nick really were in in 455 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: depth football. I mean because he and I know, we 456 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: worked twenty four hours together for one year, and we 457 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: put things together, and I those Saturday mornings that he 458 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: taught me his approach to the game. I have all 459 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: those handwritten notes. I've actually got to go through my 460 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: garage because they really now ought to be in the 461 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: College Hall of Fame. In all seriousness, they really should. 462 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean everything from first step to hand placement. We 463 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: became really close through that and I'll never forget it. 464 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: And you'll hear me whine about simplistic football because the 465 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: guys I worked with over the years, I've had five 466 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: gurus that I work pro football with, and none of 467 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: them were simplistic football. They were complexities, nuanced guys. And 468 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: I'll never forget this One of my jobs as secondary 469 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: coach was to come up. We each would have projects 470 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: per week, and one of my projects was, Okay, how 471 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: do we play our various coverage, adjust them versus bunches, stacks, 472 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: inward motion, all the things that are you know, paint 473 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: in the butts. Really they're problems, they're issues, And so 474 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: I made the mistake. I meant to say the best 475 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: way we should handle this bunch. We would either call 476 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: uh a lock and level or we would run at 477 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: like a triangle call. We had different different ways for 478 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: different teams depending on our study. But instead of saying 479 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: the best way, and this lingers with me forever, I said, Nick, 480 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: the simplest way. I didn't get it out of my mouth, Rick, 481 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: Simple is not always better. Simple is not always And 482 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: I went, no, no, no, I'll change that to the 483 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: best way. And you know those guys were like, you know, no, no, no, 484 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: we're not going to play you know, well, I call 485 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: it for four o'clock defenses. You play that simple, you 486 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: can go home at four o'clock. Our thing was it's 487 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: it's the pressure is on you as a coach to 488 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: teach it. I hire you to teach nuance and that's 489 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: why they you know that one of the reasons they're 490 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: as good as they are. 491 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 2: Why do you think it ended the way it did 492 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 2: for Belichick in New England. 493 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: Well, in my opinion, it looked it just from my 494 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: observation on the outside, I think two things really affected him. 495 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: I don't. I think he's just as good a coach. 496 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: I mean, we've played him every year, and I mean 497 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: I studied the tape. I mean in terms of coaching schematically, 498 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: I don't think he's lost a bit. I think if you, 499 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: if you had to say what has affected him, I 500 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: would say the general manager Bill Belichick has not been 501 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: good to the coach Bill Belichick. And when you bust 502 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: on your quarterback pick, you can go. You can go 503 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: forever on that one. I mean, really and truly. I 504 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: mean the Niners are lucky. I mean, they really busted 505 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: on their pick, and then they get myster Irrelevant to 506 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: come in and play, and I think they busted there. 507 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: But I just haven't I haven't noticed the quality of 508 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: personnel on that team lately. And then if he made 509 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: any coaching heir, it was probably putting those those you know, 510 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: like a special teams guy, like the defensive guy and 511 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 1: making them offensive coach Judge patri you know, almost as 512 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: if hey, I can overcome all this, I'll do this. 513 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: And Bill always, Bill always did believe that if you 514 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: were a good coach, you could coach anything. But I 515 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: think I think that really hurt them. 516 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 2: I mean, was that almost like over loyalty to his 517 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: guys because those are two guys we worked with for 518 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: a while, and he didn't kind of expand outside of 519 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 2: his tree to replace Josh McDaniels as the OCE. 520 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you you make a really good point, 521 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: and that's also that is also a difference between Nick 522 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: and Bill. Bill is very much I guess loyalties are 523 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: the word. But he really believes in promoting from within 524 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: and working guys up and through. You know, they'll start 525 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: out as you know, I mean, Tommy Demetrov was cutting 526 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: the grass in the afternoon and then studying tape at night. 527 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean sure, seriously, I mean, but he's been really 528 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: good at that of bringing guys in through and it 529 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: was you know, successful for years and years and years 530 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: and not bringing in many guys from the outside. So 531 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: I think you make a fair point where Nick. If 532 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: you look at Nick when he has turnover. It's almost 533 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: always from the outside. You know, what's the difference there, 534 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: I really don't know, but it's always from the outside, 535 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, And that is a difference, and that very 536 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: well may have really but that accelerated the demise, you know. 537 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: I think personnel is number one. I mean, when you 538 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: look at the Patriots, it's not a very good team 539 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: talent wise. It's just not And you know, when you 540 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,239 Speaker 1: you know, when you have a quarterback that doesn't come 541 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: to your expectations, you know that we know that's a 542 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: kill shot, absolutely, Rick. 543 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 3: There was one photo that went viral kind of when 544 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: it was announced that Saban was retiring and Bill was 545 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: leaving the Patriots, and it's those two guys from the 546 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 3: Browns when they were coaching together. They're on the sidelines. 547 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 3: And what people don't know about that icon photo And 548 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 3: I'll send it over so you can edit to the 549 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: edit so for those of you watching on YouTube, you'll 550 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: see or google it. 551 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: But you're on the other end of this headset. 552 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: And this was an epic. 553 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: I don't think I want, I don't think that's over 554 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: overstating it. 555 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: Epic. 556 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 3: Tell me about that game, because I believe it was 557 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 3: against Dallas. Right, huge win for you guys, and you said, 558 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: you know, that was kind of one of those that 559 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 3: really you know, illustrated, well what that season was for you. 560 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: There's no question about it. This is this turnaround season 561 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: of ninety four. Now, you got to remember those two 562 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: they were all in three when we went in three years, 563 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: all in three years. When we went into that season 564 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 1: and we got off and run. I mean we were 565 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: off and running. The week before I think it was 566 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: the week before or the two weeks before. I think 567 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: it was the week before. We had just broken Philadelphia's 568 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: streak in the VET. We came in there and they 569 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: had you know, Randall Cunningham, they had some humong us 570 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: win streak at the VET, and we came in and 571 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: beat them, and people started saying, holy cow. You know, 572 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: this AFC team is pretty good. So now we go 573 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: to Dallas and we're talking about all of them aikman. 574 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about mic oh Irvin, We're talking 575 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: about Novi check all, I mean, all that offensive line, 576 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: that great defense. We're talking about great Dallas. Yeah, yeah, 577 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, great Dallas team and talent. So we 578 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: go in there and it is tight and we are 579 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: playing our tail off on defense. And the photo that 580 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: Lara's talking about, Okay, I mean this it ended up 581 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: it was. It ended up being an epic win force. 582 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: I think at that point we went to like six 583 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: and one. People were calling me about home field advantage, 584 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean really, but if you look at 585 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: the photo carefully, there's ten seconds on the clock. Ten 586 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: seconds on the clock, and we're up by four or five. 587 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: But if you look down in the photo, ten seconds 588 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: to go in the fourth quarter. I'm on the phone. 589 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: There's Nick and Bill together. I'm on the phone with them. 590 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: Dallas has one play left from the three yard line. 591 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: You got one play left, three or four right in there, 592 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: so they got to go for it. They can't kick 593 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: a field goal to win it. So they come out 594 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: in a trips bunch to the right, Michael Irvin to 595 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: the left. We play what we call our red four, 596 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: which had built in double coverages. The double, of course, 597 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: went to Irvin. We're gonna let we weren't gonna let 598 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: him throw the fifty to fifty ball to Irvin. So 599 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: now we're playing what we call a tight quarters match. 600 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: To the bunch, they run, they run, they run, they 601 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: go flat in and then Novacheck from the off position 602 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: runs the angle. We call it a zampizzi. And what 603 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: they're trying to do is rub your man and then 604 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna come in and catch it and get in. 605 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: So that ten seconds, that's it. We're discussing that call 606 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: at that moment, at that second, so Aikman goes back, 607 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: he sees Irwin's doubled on the left, He goes to Novichek, 608 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: which is the outlet on the right. Eric Turner comes 609 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: up from that safety that tight position, tackles him on 610 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: the one and drops him, drops him, drops him on 611 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: the one, and the and the Cleveland Browns beat the 612 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys in Dallas, and that pictures it's even it 613 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: means even more to me to I think. I think 614 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: it was just a picture to show those two guys 615 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: a coach together. But to me, I texted Nick, I did, 616 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: I did. I said something to Bill, but I didn't 617 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: get anything back from Bill. But I texted Nick the 618 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: picture and I said, I said, we all went on 619 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: to good things. But there was three tight, three three tight, 620 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: you know what, guys right here, And it texts back 621 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: to me, we all look better back then. You know, 622 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: I said, well, I think you win the award for 623 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: still looking pretty dog on good. But no, that was it. 624 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: It was it's really that you go back into our annals. 625 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: I just looked it up the other day. That season 626 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: that that ninety four that I talk about so much. 627 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: You know, we, as I said, we went eleven and five. 628 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: We beat Patriots in the wild card and then we 629 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: lost to the Steelers, our third loss to the Steelers 630 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 1: in the division. They were our nemesis. But in that season, 631 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: we held teams. We were number one in defense in 632 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: terms of score which is everything, we were number one. 633 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: And that's it's twelfth in the history of the sixteen 634 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: game schedule towards lowest points. And that's a funny one 635 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: because we're coming down in the last regular season game. 636 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: We're like, at what would be what would we have been? 637 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: We'd have been one hundred and ninety seven, we'd have 638 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: been under two hundred and almost no one had ever 639 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 1: been under two hundred for the season. And so we're 640 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 1: ahead like twenty eight to six against the Seahawks who're 641 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: just playing it out. You know, they're in a two 642 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 1: minute drive for you know, it's garbage and Bill gets 643 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: on the phone because he left you alone during the game. 644 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: He gets on the phone with Nick and I goes, Nick, Rick, 645 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: you do realize that we could hold this season under 646 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: two hundred. All of a sudden, I was like, oh wow, 647 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: this isn't enough to drive. But the worst part they 648 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: did score. They had a fade and they scored. But 649 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: he gets you that d voice, you know that this 650 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: could be. It was like said it was gonna be 651 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: some record. But yeah, I mean, you know, not only 652 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: was it a great year for me, but it was 653 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: a great year for the Browns. You know, they they 654 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: have actually I'm not sure that they've won a playoff 655 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: game since they uh wait a playoff they did. They 656 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: have one too, I know. 657 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 2: I tell you what they were going to do. Bak 658 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 2: Baker won one a couple of years ago. 659 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: He did. 660 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 2: He won in the first round and then they lost 661 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 2: to Kansas City. 662 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but that that would be it would be, 663 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: that would be it. I mean it was wow. I 664 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: mean that was just I mean you talk about yeah, 665 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: like I said, I look at that picture and I 666 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: still get nervous. It's like, you know, red four, red four, 667 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, that's that was our call red four. 668 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 2: Okay, So what I what I want to know is 669 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 2: if you're back together, you're you're in your same role 670 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 2: with Bill and Nick, and you're playing the twenty twenty 671 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: four Colts. No, I don't totally know what the roster 672 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 2: is going to look like yet, what's your defensive game plan? 673 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: How do you what? 674 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 2: What's Bill walking in and saying we are not letting 675 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 2: this guy beat us? 676 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: But Atlanta it would be it would be like Atlanta 677 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: played US. 678 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 2: I thought all the defensive game plans. Give pitt acancussion 679 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 2: the week prior. 680 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: Well, even if he were there, I would say, he 681 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 1: would say, Okay, we're not gonna let I'm putting Anthony 682 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: back into lineups. Okay, Ar's back in the lineup. We're 683 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: not gonna let Taylor. We're not gonna let Taylor or 684 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: Richardson win this game, understand. And I don't want to 685 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: have this discussion on Sunday. So what we would do 686 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: is we would probably play the Bear, which the Colts 687 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: have had a hard time running against, and it shuts 688 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: off the zone. Running game also makes it tougher for 689 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: Anthony because those edge guys don't have to close down 690 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,919 Speaker 1: with all those bodies underneath, I'd bring the eighth guy 691 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: up into the box or spin my safety's hard in 692 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: cover four, and that I would press every guy on 693 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: the field have good have good calls underneath if you 694 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: bunched me or things like that. I think that I 695 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: think if we were all together, because Nick was a 696 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: big cover one. Nick was Bill was much more of 697 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: his own guy. Nick was a big cover one, press 698 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: you all the time, press press, press press. He never 699 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: believed in playing off at all. Uh. And so I mean, 700 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: I think it would be very Atlanta. Like in Jacksonville. 701 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: The two teams that played us strategically the best this 702 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: year and and to me shut us down. Uh, was 703 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: Jacksonville in Atlanta. 704 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 2: And Atlanta just tired jackson or Jacksonville just Atlanta. 705 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, just but you know you need to write, you know, 706 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: like you know, in order to do that. I mean, 707 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: I thought Atlanta had really good corners. You know, you 708 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: also have to have really good corners to do it. 709 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: But I think I think it would be something like that. 710 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd have to know all the players, you know, 711 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 1: but but I think it would be on that level 712 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: that I know this. It would be Taylor and Richardson, 713 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: do not beat us. If it takes nine up there, 714 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: it'll be nine up there and we'll make all the 715 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: rest of those guys win. 716 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 2: Just good to hear that it would be the quarterback. 717 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 1: When we oh yeah, oh absolutely listen. That kid has 718 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: it all. I mean, now, that kid adds the twelfth 719 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: man to a defensive scheme. I mean ten years ago 720 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: we didn't worry about that. But the evolution of the 721 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: pro game and kids like Richardson, Lamar the kid at Buffalo, 722 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, all these guys hurts. All these guys that 723 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: have brought the zone read RPO game in. They create 724 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: a whole nother ballgame for you. That's why one of 725 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: the reasons you've seen the Bear come back because the 726 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: Bear defense, the Bear defense can take away the inside 727 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: without affecting the edges, which allows the edges, in a 728 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: simplistic way, allows the edges to play the quarterback, you know, 729 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: and not have a safety have to up and make 730 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: the tackle. So I mean the Bear or what I 731 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: call IFS is suited for now. One thing Shane did 732 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: by the end of the season. They didn't do it 733 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: right away, but the last couple of weeks and it 734 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: started with Pittsburgh. They got a little bit more of 735 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: a blocking scheme for it. They ran more what we 736 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: call whams, they ran more powers, they ran more power traps, 737 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: because you can't just force that zone. When you force 738 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: that's what we did against Atlanta. You come in and 739 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: try to force that zone. There's no place to run. 740 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: I don't care if you have Jim Brown in, There's 741 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: just no place to run. So yeah, I think I 742 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: think it would have been it would have been on that, 743 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: on that and he you know, when you look at 744 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,919 Speaker 1: his team now, they play a ton of bear even 745 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: with the Patriots. 746 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 3: I'm glad you haven't quite escaped to Florida yet. Usually 747 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,919 Speaker 3: this guy end of season, he's already too warmer weather 748 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 3: and sunshine. So I'm glad that you're stuck around a 749 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 3: little bit longer so he could spend some time with 750 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 3: you can get a little extra more extra rick time 751 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 3: here before we headed in the off season and get 752 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 3: to see you back for the draft. 753 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,240 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's been a little bit of a decompression, 754 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, and Miss Sherry is so tied into the 755 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: grandkids and in her comfort zone there. I can't get 756 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: her to move yet. To Florida, but we'll probably I've 757 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: got something I've I've got to do next week and 758 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: then we'll be on our way. But it's really been 759 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: a decompression, and I know it has for you guys. 760 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: The difference are you guys that work twelve months a 761 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: year where I go from one hundred miles an hour 762 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: to zero all of a sudden, I stop. I mean, 763 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: it's every morning from July fifteenth for me the way 764 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: I do it, and you don't have to do it 765 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: that way. I'm four o'clock in the morning, three three 766 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: and a half hours of tape or you know, or 767 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: writing off the tape or creating blueprints and doing all 768 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: that stuff and so all you know, and all of 769 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: a sudden when it's over, it's like, now what do 770 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,280 Speaker 1: I do? You know? You know I have been pushing 771 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: the envelope for me getting up about five thirty. I mean, 772 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: that's really that. That's the envelope for me, because I 773 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: am I have done that my whole coaching career. I 774 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: like to get up and work when no one's around, 775 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: when my mind is after a couple of coffees at 776 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: its clearest. You know, in my write ups, everything I 777 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: do you know I do in that in that time frame, 778 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,919 Speaker 1: and so I can't help myself. Though. After about after 779 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: about a week, I have started working on the draft. 780 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: I normally don't until February first, I normally get I 781 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: couldn't help it. I've been working all week on the 782 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: draft and all last week. But no, I think, and 783 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: I think we all share this, and you can say 784 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: it if I'm wrong. I think we all share this. 785 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: Are you know? We went from low expectations in July 786 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 1: just enjoy the season, to high expectations in December. I mean, 787 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 1: I think and I and I felt like everything came 788 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,439 Speaker 1: back to us. You know. That day we got ready 789 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: to play Houston, I just said, and I you know, 790 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: I looked at Jackson, I look, I just said, we 791 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: are going to win today and we're gonna play Cleveland 792 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: at home next Saturday, and anything could happen. And that 793 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: was I don't normally get that heart of mindset, but 794 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: I had it. I had that heart of mindset, and 795 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: I was just so distraught over the loss, you know, 796 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,399 Speaker 1: I could. It took me really, you know, I'm back 797 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: in my in my groove now, but it took me 798 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: a while really. And then the decompression has to set 799 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: in as well, because, like I said, all of a sudden, 800 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: it's it's for me. It's it's it's one hundred miles 801 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: an hour to zero. Now. Once I get back on 802 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: the draft, then I start preparing for our April shows, right, 803 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, and and that kind of stuff. And I 804 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: really enjoy that, though I would I would do that 805 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: if I didn't have to do it. You know, I've 806 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: always you know, you got to remember, I was a 807 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: college coach first, and so I've always really loved the 808 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 1: personnel end of it in the projection of players. Chris 809 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: and I get along really well because he remembers when 810 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: I was on the road and he was just a 811 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: young guy starting out, you know. And usually when we 812 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: go to a school to work people out, I was 813 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,839 Speaker 1: always the guy that worked everybody out. And of course 814 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: in my day when I started with the Colts in 815 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: eighty two, we didn't have these I mean, you got 816 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: to remember, guys, we moved to Indianapolis in Barbara says, 817 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 1: playing in three station wagons. That was it. Now we 818 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: had we hired staff here, secretary's staff people, but that 819 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: was it. We had like three scouts, seven coaches. You know, 820 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: we brought the comptroller along with us, and I mean 821 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: Jimmy and so forth. I mean that was it. That 822 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: was it. You know. We no computers, so we just 823 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: the station. The reason we took the station wagon. We 824 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,320 Speaker 1: had all those big books. We had the same information 825 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: now it's just except ABC's the book was a big 826 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, we had it all on paper. But because 827 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: we didn't have to hook anything up. We started at 828 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: that little schoolhouse over on the on Kessler, over on 829 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: the would be the east side. We started the next 830 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 1: day and went right to work like nothing happened. But 831 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 1: also along with that, we did a lot of the scouting. 832 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: Because Frank Cush, who came out of college, who I 833 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: went to work for, he said, why why would we 834 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: not as coaches? You know, we all come from college, 835 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 1: we're all part of the recruiting end of it. Why 836 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: why aren't we going to be, you know, part of 837 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: the process. And so I was involved. And then I think, 838 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 1: and I don't mind mean this arrogantly. I think I 839 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 1: got a really good reputation within the scouting circles because 840 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: I think all those guys respected that. When I went 841 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: on a job, I wasn't just like a typical coach. 842 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: Oh he can play or he can't play. You know. No, 843 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: I was very analytical. You know, I'm a I'm a 844 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: money ball for I'm not. Most of my vintage are dinosaurs. 845 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm not. I've always been a money ball type of guy, 846 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 1: in a numbers guy. You know, if I can find 847 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: if I can find a numerical way to win analytically, 848 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to take it. Now. The difference in me 849 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: is analytics for me are baseline there what I studied 850 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: during the week I created green lights. I was just 851 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: talking to a guy I used to work with me 852 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: green lights, red lights, yellow lights meaning green light. I'm 853 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: calling it here red light. I'm not caution in the gut. 854 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: But then when I got in the gut, if it's 855 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: fourth and one, I didn't rely on any analytics. I 856 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: knew that going in, and that then was all. That 857 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: was still the way I learned how to coach on 858 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: the grass or really play on the grass. And so 859 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: but I always love the you know, going out working 860 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,760 Speaker 1: guys out. And Chris and I are very much alike, 861 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,439 Speaker 1: and we both have had successes. Mine was a while back, 862 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,359 Speaker 1: but we both had successes on the second and third 863 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: day with our selections, because I think we really look 864 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: at we look at metrics, and then you look at 865 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,319 Speaker 1: football and tele gents. You know. I used to argue 866 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 1: with people. They'd say, you know, at the end of 867 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: the round, just take an athlete. I want to say, no, no, no, 868 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: take a sharp guy. Because in training camp, if you're 869 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 1: a rookie and you're a non investment player, you're not 870 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: getting any reps. So you better be able to pick 871 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 1: things up quickly. And the one thing Chris does is 872 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,879 Speaker 1: he puts a really high value on football intelligence. He's 873 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: not going to bring in dumb guys. And I was 874 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: really that way. I mean I had some really good 875 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: late round picks over the years in my claim to fame, 876 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: of course, as Jeff rod who's one of the great 877 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 1: players ever to play here, who I went down to Ole, 878 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: miss and I'll never forget this. Jack Boshowski was the 879 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 1: personnel director and there was a high draft pick at 880 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 1: Mississippi Valley where Jerry Rice came from. And I can't 881 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: remember his first name, but Brown. They called him the Undertaker. 882 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: He had a nickname, the Undertaker Brown because he put 883 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: him to sleep when he hit him. So and he's 884 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 1: at Mississippi Valley, which is down in Itaby in Mississippi Milanore. 885 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: But so Jack wants me to go down and see 886 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,919 Speaker 1: He was at that time projected as a late one 887 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: or two. So he wanted me to go down and 888 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 1: see him. And I said, you know, Jack, I really 889 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,319 Speaker 1: liked this kid that played in a blue gray game. 890 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 1: He wasn't invited to the combine in this sad kid 891 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,880 Speaker 1: at Ole Miss. I said, he's got making all these 892 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 1: tackles in the Southeast Conference. And Jack says, well, hey, Rick, 893 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: if you like him, just take an extra couple of 894 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 1: days and go on down and you know, do what 895 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: you gotta do. Take a look. So I went down 896 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: and I saw Brown and Brown was legit. He was 897 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: a legit tap prospect. So then I go to Ole 898 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 1: miss And in those days, you didn't have these big 899 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: elaborate pro days that are all scripted. You work the 900 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 1: kid out one on one. You took him out to dinner. 901 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,879 Speaker 1: You know, you get you got him on the blackboard 902 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: if you want. If you weren't sure about his intelligence, 903 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 1: you took tape and you went through tape with him 904 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: to see if you could make the decision oh, let 905 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 1: me get back to both check on what. I don't 906 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,840 Speaker 1: know if we're out of time or what. 907 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 2: But so it's a podcast we can go for as 908 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 2: long as we will show. 909 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 1: So I go down and spend forty eight hours with Jeff. 910 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,319 Speaker 1: I take him out to dinner, I work him out. 911 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: He's about five eleven two eighteen to twenty two. Maybe 912 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,840 Speaker 1: he ran like a four seven five. But I just 913 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,799 Speaker 1: the more I watched him on tape and the more 914 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: I was around him, I just said, you know, brilliant 915 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: football guy, this kid. So I still have my write up. 916 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: I wrote it and I said, if we draft this kid, 917 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: he will make our team. I guarantee you. Now. Little 918 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,479 Speaker 1: did I know he would become one of the leading 919 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: tacklers of all times and the best middle linebacker we 920 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,279 Speaker 1: had for years and years here. But you know, that 921 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,359 Speaker 1: was an example of going and seeing a guy. One 922 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,879 Speaker 1: thing I will say for Belichick, I mentioned the term 923 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,800 Speaker 1: now you're getting me back to my scouting days. But 924 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,359 Speaker 1: he all we all had different projects, and I use 925 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,720 Speaker 1: the term no stone left un turned, build, some builded 926 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,319 Speaker 1: some thing that was just tremendous in my opinion, I'd 927 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: never seen it before. I was the guy I was 928 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,800 Speaker 1: what he called a special project sky because I was 929 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: a little bit older and I had a good reputation 930 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 1: in the league of being a guy that could scout well, 931 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 1: not just coach with scout. So he would give me 932 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 1: what he called a tweener list. I would have my 933 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: position list, but then I had a tweeter list. Now 934 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: what a tweeter would be like. You would think traditionally, 935 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: he's a defensive end. Could he be an outside linebacker, 936 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 1: He's a corner, could he be a safety? You know, 937 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,719 Speaker 1: all these crossover position guys. He wanted me to go 938 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,240 Speaker 1: and try to make that call. Not that he wouldn't 939 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,880 Speaker 1: make the call in the end, but he wanted to 940 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 1: get my input. Then he would give me. It varied, 941 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: but let's say three. He would give me three guys 942 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,879 Speaker 1: that he just loved on tape that had real low 943 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,400 Speaker 1: test scores, real bad in those days. The Wonderlook. We 944 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: used another one, but there was a couple tests, but 945 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: this it was great on tape. And my job was 946 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 1: to go down and see if the Wonder lick correlated. 947 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: Was it possible that he had a different kind of intelligence, 948 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, maybe could he play in our system and 949 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,799 Speaker 1: so and he would say to me, take whatever you need, 950 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 1: spend as much time as you need to. So I 951 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: mean I'd go down and i'd you know, take him 952 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,960 Speaker 1: out to dinner. I'd it wasn't so much of a 953 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 1: workout with those guys. It was mental gymnastics. I'd get 954 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 1: him on the blackboard and you know, and then then 955 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: we'd go through tape, and we'd go through tape, and 956 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 1: you know, I'd go back and forth, and so traditionally 957 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: I would come back and he would say, okay, player A, 958 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 1: and I would say, Bill, no way he can learn 959 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 1: our system. No way. You know. The wonderlook is is 960 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: is also a football wonder lick. The second one, I 961 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,799 Speaker 1: would say, Bill, if we do it this way, if 962 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: we keep him in this level, if we do it 963 00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 1: in this progression, I really believe he can. So he 964 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,879 Speaker 1: got on our board. Mm hmm. Okay. The third guy, 965 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,560 Speaker 1: I'd say, Bill, I was with him for three days. 966 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 1: I can't make the call take him off. In other words, 967 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,760 Speaker 1: but I mean that was that was the kind of sorting, 968 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: you know, and that that was one of my jobs. 969 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,040 Speaker 1: That was just one of my jobs. And I you know, 970 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,399 Speaker 1: I've always gone back to that you know, and so yeah, 971 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,799 Speaker 1: it was it was good. 972 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 2: Well, this has been a really good chat. This is like, 973 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,440 Speaker 2: you know, like Lara and I were talking about this, 974 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,840 Speaker 2: and it's like it's like the chats we have on 975 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,279 Speaker 2: the bus going to games of like just making put 976 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,320 Speaker 2: it in podcast form for everyone because these are so 977 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 2: fascinating and the stories that you're able to tell. I mean, 978 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 2: we could go on, you know, a five hour podcast 979 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:46,479 Speaker 2: of your experiences in football. Yeah. Oh god, well something 980 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,840 Speaker 2: a little little teaser. I want to talk to you 981 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,399 Speaker 2: about that one this summer. But we are gonna we're 982 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,719 Speaker 2: gonna wrap this one up here on the Official Cults Podcast. 983 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye out for Inside Football at Rick 984 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,120 Speaker 2: Venturi when that makes its return around the draft. We 985 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,360 Speaker 2: know you're gonna be prepared because you're literally already preparing 986 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,880 Speaker 2: for the draft. So that's great, all right. Well for 987 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 2: Lara Overton and for coach Rick Venturi. I'm JJ Stankowitz. 988 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 2: Thank you to Sherry behind the camera on YouTube, and 989 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,680 Speaker 2: we will talk to you next week here on the 990 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 2: Official Cults Podcast, right here on the Cult Audio Network 991 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 2: and on the Cold YouTube page. So long,