WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 1/25: Senior Bowl Preview, NFL Draft Talk, Updates on Jerod Mayo Building his Coaching Staff

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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<v Speaker 1>Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, everybody nailed it? Joined as always my our bar.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barrs. William Shakespeare was

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<v Speaker 1>an English playwright, poet, and actor. Yeah, I'm not calling

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<v Speaker 1>him boom roasted, all right, fine, just like his official biography.

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<v Speaker 2>Disagree on Google? Yeah that Wikipedia real good source. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not the point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the big like uh Britannica whatever. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the bit like the big book, the one that has.

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<v Speaker 2>All the big book with all the facts. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let me let me finish mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Shakespeare ex Williams, Evan Lazarre, William Shakespeare. I was

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<v Speaker 1>and grinding tape and William Shakespeare.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you just let me finish the point? Uh no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I got I got a lot of flak for for

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<v Speaker 2>that marine. Oh. You know, Evan doesn't know Shakespeare. Stick

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<v Speaker 2>to football, Evan, you don't know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Shakespeare wrote sonnets. He was amazing as a poet. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, like make bad eyes, Hamlet. You know, those

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<v Speaker 2>are the things that I remember from obviously Julius Caesar,

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<v Speaker 2>which was the point we were going after there that

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<v Speaker 2>Alex just you. You just didn't let me get it out. No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no surprise there, Alex are you were a little questionable

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<v Speaker 2>for today's show though you were on the injury report. Listen,

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<v Speaker 2>is questionable with an illness. How you doing, buddy, how

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<v Speaker 2>you feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing better. You're definitely gonna have more windows to

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<v Speaker 1>talk today. This is the first show I've done since

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<v Speaker 1>of any kind, since Sunday, So we'll see how my

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<v Speaker 1>voice holds up. Yeah, short today.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate I appreciate you toughing it out for us.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, there's no Catch twenty two without without

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<v Speaker 2>either of us, right like then, there's just no show,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot to talk about. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna push through, and Alex is gonna push through

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<v Speaker 2>for you guys. And I am upset for you, though,

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<v Speaker 2>Bart because it's we're gonna preview the Senior Bowl here

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<v Speaker 2>in a few minutes and uh and and this is

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<v Speaker 2>like your this is your super Bowl. You know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of your the biggest weeks out of the

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<v Speaker 2>year for you. So I'm a little bit Uh, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>worried that you know, you're not gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 2>get all your takes about Michael Pratt and whoever you

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<v Speaker 2>know out in this one.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know that's not the quarterback I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>have all the takes about. It's not Michael Pennix either.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, all right, good teas, good teas. But before

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<v Speaker 2>we get to it, and the phone lines are like

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<v Speaker 2>just lighting up. I don't know they're working on them

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, but both my goodness. Okay. So so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to the calls in a few minutes here, but

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start with the latest on the Patriots

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<v Speaker 2>coaching search, and Alex, I'm going to ask you, as

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<v Speaker 2>best as you possibly can to to walk me off

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a lunch here with the Patriots

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<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinator search. We're texting about this a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>last night, but basically where we're at right now, the

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<v Speaker 2>Patriots have only interviewed two known candidates who are free

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<v Speaker 2>agents or not I shouldn't say free agents, but are

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<v Speaker 2>just available at the moment because Dan Pitcher in Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>he took the job as their offensive coordinator as everybody expected.

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<v Speaker 2>And Shane Waldron, who the Patriots did show some interest

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<v Speaker 2>in he's off the board. He's going to Chicago to

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<v Speaker 2>coordinate the Bears offense. So that leaves the Patriots with

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<v Speaker 2>the two Rams guys that we know. And I want

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<v Speaker 2>to stress that because just because it hasn't been reported

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that they haven't interviewed other people.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that Waldron was reported right until after

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<v Speaker 1>he took the job in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, Yeah, So he takes the job in Chicago and

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<v Speaker 2>then it comes out after the fact that he did

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<v Speaker 2>have a first round interview with the Patriots. So right

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<v Speaker 2>now we have Zach Robinson, we have Nick Kyley, and

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that it's worth saying, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>that some fans are gonna are not gonna love this,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's worth saying that Josh McDaniels, I believe is

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<v Speaker 2>lurking in the background, waiting, waiting to see what happens

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<v Speaker 2>with Bill Belichick. If Bill Belichick gets a job, I

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<v Speaker 2>would expect McDaniels to follow him to his destination, probably Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 2>If Bill Belichick doesn't get a job, then I would

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<v Speaker 2>expect him to go as I think Jeff Howard, the

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<v Speaker 2>athletic I believe it was Jeff Howe reported kind of

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<v Speaker 2>go to the top of the list a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>here for girod Mayo. In terms of Patriots offensive coordinator.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's my walking off the ledge moment. Here's my concern

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I look across the league at some of

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<v Speaker 2>these up and coming hot coordinator candidates, guys like Zach Robinson,

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<v Speaker 2>guys that are interviewing for these jobs that are popular

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<v Speaker 2>right now around the league, and I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out why would they take the Patriots job. And I

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<v Speaker 2>look at a few factors. One, the Patriots don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a quarterback as of right now, so what you're selling

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<v Speaker 2>them on is probably taking a quarterback at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the first round. And you get to work with

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<v Speaker 2>one of these, you know, quarterback prospects, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>like the guy that you're in lockstep with the Patriots,

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<v Speaker 2>that you might like Jadon Daniels, you might like Drake

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<v Speaker 2>may and you can maybe build around that. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that might be appealing, But overall, it's a challenge. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a big challenge for whoever takes this

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<v Speaker 2>job to put the pieces together to develop the quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>to maybe change the system, which I think that they

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<v Speaker 2>would at least like to consider doing. You know, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>they've interviewed a lot of people from the Sean McVay

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<v Speaker 2>West Coast System tree, the Shanahan McVay tree, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think they would like to change the systems. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of change, it's a lot of unknowns, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just look at their options, you know, these other coordinators.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would also mention that Brian Callahan in Tennessee

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<v Speaker 2>now but in Cincinnati before as their coordinator, is a

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<v Speaker 2>great example of this. Brian Callahan never called plays for

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals, never called plays. Zach Taylor was the play caller.

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<v Speaker 2>So this allure of calling plays, I don't necessarily know

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<v Speaker 2>if that is that big of a thing, because these

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<v Speaker 2>guys are getting head coaching jobs elsewhere without calling plays

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place. So what is it that is

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<v Speaker 2>attractive about New England other than it's a challenge. It's

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<v Speaker 2>you get to run your own ship, and if it

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<v Speaker 2>works out for you, if you hit a home run

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<v Speaker 2>and you developed a quarterback and do this, that and

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing, then you're Bobby Slowock, right like, then

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<v Speaker 2>you're the next big coordinator candidate here.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I think you just hit on a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're just under selling some of how big

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<v Speaker 1>these points are. I think if somebody really is enamored

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<v Speaker 1>with Drake may or Jayden Daniels, then obviously yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on down. And you know, you look at some of

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<v Speaker 1>the other spots where there's open jobs. Are the quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>situations as attractive as hypothetically having one of these guys

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be a top three pick. I think

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of go from another angle at one of

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<v Speaker 1>your points, you are going to get to call your

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<v Speaker 1>place you're working for a defensive coach. There is no

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<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to like like with with with Brian Kallen,

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<v Speaker 1>like is it him? Is it Zach Taylor? I think

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<v Speaker 1>the most obvious example of this phenomenous Eric p enemy

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<v Speaker 1>behind Andy Reid for all those years, and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>well is it how much is Erk Penemy really doing?

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<v Speaker 1>How good of a coach is now? I thought, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>relatively speaking, he did a good job in Washington last year,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he was responsible for a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the chief success you see what's happening now. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>a question people are going to ask no disrespect to

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<v Speaker 1>Jarrod Mayo, but nobody's gonna ask, well, is it really

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<v Speaker 1>Gerd Mayo's offense? Right, you are going to have pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much full autonomy. You should have full autonomy if you're

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<v Speaker 1>side of the balls and offense coordinator here. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think to combine that with another one of your points

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<v Speaker 1>that helps accelerate to the next job, because I think if,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, if the offense explodes here, nobody else

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<v Speaker 1>is getting the credit. From a coaching point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody And maybe like roster building, people get credit, mail

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<v Speaker 1>gets credit as a motivator. But if it's like all

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<v Speaker 1>Crisp Clean schematically it's working, the quarterback's developed, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's falling on one person, and that's obviously if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a head coach in twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say the Patriots job is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most attractive in terms of upside. Now the floor is

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<v Speaker 1>a little lower, but if you can get this thing

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<v Speaker 1>to work, you're in great shape. So I do think

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<v Speaker 1>there are certainly attractive elements toon. Is it the most

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<v Speaker 1>attractive job, No, but it's hardly the least attractive job

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<v Speaker 1>either to me, especially now that you have I thought

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals and actually Chicago or two of the more

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<v Speaker 1>attractive jobs. Chicago obviously they'll have we expect they'll have

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<v Speaker 1>Caleb Williams, so we'll but yeah, No, you keep texting

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<v Speaker 1>me like, so it's gonna be Josh McDaniels, right, which one?

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<v Speaker 1>Every time you text that to me, Because I've obviously

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<v Speaker 1>kind of been in and out keeping track of the

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<v Speaker 1>news last couple days, I'm like, all right, who hired

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<v Speaker 1>Zach Robinson? Who hired Nick Kaylee? Who hired Jerra Johnson?

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<v Speaker 1>And also when you text me that, I'm thinking, so,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that mean for Bill? Because McDaniel's probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>follow Bill if and when Bill goes so, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>just I don't see it in that picture yet. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there a path dude ending up being Josh McDaniels. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>but it hardly feels like a guarantee right now. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned Kaylee and Robinson. I wouldn't sleep on the

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<v Speaker 1>Texans guys either, And likely Slow was gonna get a

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<v Speaker 1>head coaching job. I think he actually just uh is

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<v Speaker 1>about to interview with the Falcons. I think I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a report on that. But you figure between Ben McDaniels

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<v Speaker 1>and Jara Johnson, one of those guys is gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>the bump up to oc uh. I think Jor Johnsons

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<v Speaker 1>already interviewed with a couple of other teams. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy I would like to see the Patriots.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just think when it comes to Zach Robinson,

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<v Speaker 2>you really if I'm Zach Robinson, I'm not sure I'm

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<v Speaker 2>taking the New England job. It just I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have a lot of opportunities here in the next

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years. He could probably stay with the Rams

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<v Speaker 2>and potentially get himself a head coaching job in a

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<v Speaker 2>year or two, just based off of being with McVeigh

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<v Speaker 2>and his reputation around the league. I just I look

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<v Speaker 2>at those types of guys like the Zach Robinson's and

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<v Speaker 2>say that he's going to have the pick of the

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<v Speaker 2>litter of all these jobs. And I think a big

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<v Speaker 2>part of the reason people are wondering, well, what's taking

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<v Speaker 2>so long? And I know the Bears filled their position

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<v Speaker 2>pretty quickly with Shane Waldern, but I think one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that's taking so long is that there's still

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<v Speaker 2>four teams that don't have a head coach yet. So

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<v Speaker 2>until we know who those four hires are going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>And then now we still have some you know, teams

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<v Speaker 2>like last night Jim Harbaugh, you knows the coach of

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<v Speaker 2>the Chargers, Like those teams don't have staffs either. So

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<v Speaker 2>until some of these dominoes start to fall, you'd ever

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<v Speaker 2>know who some of these hot coordinator candidates are free

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<v Speaker 2>agent candidates or are gonna end up like a McDaniel's

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<v Speaker 2>where they're gonna end up going, because there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of chip you know, uh, there's a lot of balls

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<v Speaker 2>in the air right now in terms of the coaching cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>I would just say on on Robinson and to that

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<v Speaker 1>point that he can wait, you get a better title,

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<v Speaker 1>you have more control, he gets around your own show.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably get paid more to I. I if he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be that complacent with him, be like, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a head coach eventually whatever. That's kind of well,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that attitude kind of scary?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose, But I guess where I'm coming from is

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<v Speaker 2>more from the fact that if it goes wrong here,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're in career rebilitation mode after that, Whereas if

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<v Speaker 2>you stay where you're at and you know that it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be successful, or you take another job that's

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<v Speaker 2>a better job, then maybe you're not in that same

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<v Speaker 2>book or that in that same uh, you know, on

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<v Speaker 2>that same path.

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<v Speaker 1>He could he could get a better job this year,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's there's a finite amount of offensive coordinator jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>I just look at Bill O'Brien, and first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>just reading the tea leaves that whole situation. I don't

0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.080
<v Speaker 2>think Bill O'Brien could have gotten out of here fast

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<v Speaker 2>enough after last year. I don't think he had any

0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.880
<v Speaker 2>real interest in coming back. Some of that's obviously because

0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Bill's not the head coach here anymore, and Bill's his guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But I look at that situation and now he's going

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<v Speaker 2>back to college, which I don't think he really wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be in the college game. And he's technically co

0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.760
<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinator at Ohio State right with with your guy

0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Brian Hartline. So he basically took a demotion just to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of here. And I don't think that his

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<v Speaker 2>services at the NFL level, because there are some openings

0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.840
<v Speaker 2>around the league. He could have potentially latched on with

0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Bill someplace else. Things like that. I don't necessarily think

0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.760
<v Speaker 2>that there was a ton of options for him because

0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.719
<v Speaker 2>of how whether it was his fault or not. And

0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I think both of you, you and I have absolved

0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.080
<v Speaker 2>him of a lot of wrongdoing from last year with

0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.120
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots. He coordinated one of the worst offenses in

0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:26.560
<v Speaker 2>the NFL last year. That's just the bottom line. And

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<v Speaker 2>I look at some of these guys and if I

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<v Speaker 2>was them, I would just say the Patriots. It's more

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots selling me on the job than the other

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<v Speaker 2>way around. If I'm like a guy like Zach Robinson,

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<v Speaker 2>where it's I need to hear from New England what

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<v Speaker 2>their plan is to upgrade personnel wise, because remember you

0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.320
<v Speaker 2>have a first time head coach here in New England.

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<v Speaker 2>You also don't really know from the outside looking in

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<v Speaker 2>who's running personnel. And I think that this is part

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<v Speaker 2>of the other problem with all of this is that

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<v Speaker 2>when you don't go out and make a real GM

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<v Speaker 2>higher these candidates on the coaching carousel, they don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>know who's in charge, which I think is something that's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit tricky as well. So if you don't know, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't think they'll the last in the in the meetings,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't think the Patriots would tell them if

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<v Speaker 1>they really want the guy to lay out the organizational structure.

0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I get they won't lay it out for us, but

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<v Speaker 1>you don't think they'll lay it out for them if

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<v Speaker 1>they really want it. If it's a guy they really.

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<v Speaker 2>Want, I think they would. But that I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 2>that if I if I'm a guy like Zach Robinson. Again,

0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.520
<v Speaker 2>that's my first question, right is well, what what who's

0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.320
<v Speaker 2>picking the players around here? Like, who's the personnel guy,

0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.800
<v Speaker 2>who's got final say? Who's the guy that's going to

0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.200
<v Speaker 2>be picking the groceries for me? And am I gonna

0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:48.080
<v Speaker 2>have say maybe that? I think out of all the

0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.400
<v Speaker 2>things that you could maybe sell one of these these

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<v Speaker 2>coordinator candidates on, it's them being allowed to have some

0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.440
<v Speaker 2>say in in the personnel side of things they have.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, let's take Zach Robinson. You know, kind of

0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.960
<v Speaker 2>stay with that with Zach Robinson, like he wants to

0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.000
<v Speaker 2>come here in New England potentially and build like a

0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Sean McVay offense. So to him, it's probably this is

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<v Speaker 2>the quarterbacks and the draft that I like for that offense.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the type of receivers that I need. These

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<v Speaker 2>are the type of linemen that I need, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he has a way, some say, in being able to

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<v Speaker 2>put all those things together, because I did want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this a little bit when you start to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about making this McVeigh offense here in New England,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think based off of the interviews that the

0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Patriots have had at the coordinator spot, it does seem

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<v Speaker 2>like Gerrod Mayo wants to go in a different direction

0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.680
<v Speaker 2>schematically and would prefer to go in a Sean McVay

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<v Speaker 2>type of.

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<v Speaker 1>Direction, minus that whole Josh McDaniels report.

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<v Speaker 2>Minus Josh McDaniels, who I think is obviously getting his

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<v Speaker 2>name floated out there because of more or less of

0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.640
<v Speaker 2>his reputation, and not necessarily like the Tea Leaves, like

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<v Speaker 2>every other coordinator that they've interviewed has been from the

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<v Speaker 2>McVeigh tree.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a report when Mayo first got hired that

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<v Speaker 1>was he would like he preferred, not preferred, but like

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<v Speaker 1>he was very interested in McDaniels.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see that. I mean, why wouldn't you be right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that some Patriots fans are going to

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<v Speaker 2>look at it and say, oh God, not a not

0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.400
<v Speaker 2>McDaniel's not a retread again, YadA YadA, YadA. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think the bottom line, and we've talked about this with

0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.200
<v Speaker 2>a guy like McDaniels Alex, is that he has head

0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:39.080
<v Speaker 2>coaching experience and he has coordinator, you know, head coach

0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:43.040
<v Speaker 2>of the offense coordinator type experience, where for a first

0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.400
<v Speaker 2>time head coach, having a guy that's that experience on

0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.680
<v Speaker 2>that side of the ball, that can run the show

0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.800
<v Speaker 2>basically offensively is really appealing. Whether you agree with Josh

0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.720
<v Speaker 2>mcdaniels's schematics, whether you want to go back to their

0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.200
<v Speaker 2>old system and stick with what they've been doing around

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<v Speaker 2>here for the past twenty five years or not. The

0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.960
<v Speaker 2>experience factor is a big one with McDaniels, whereas with

0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:11.040
<v Speaker 2>some of these other guys, Kaylee Robinson, even Pitcher, like

0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.840
<v Speaker 2>those guys haven't run the show yet, so who knows,

0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:19.720
<v Speaker 2>But just going to like the McVeigh stuff quickly. If

0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.199
<v Speaker 2>you look at some of the things that they're hallmarks

0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:29.600
<v Speaker 2>right in terms of formations, they run a lot condensed formations,

0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:34.520
<v Speaker 2>three receiver condensed formations. In those three receiver The type

0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.639
<v Speaker 2>of receivers that they like in San fran and in

0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:46.080
<v Speaker 2>La are bigger, stockier, explosive receivers that can block. They

0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:50.080
<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily like the Pop Douglases. And I'm not saying

0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.439
<v Speaker 2>that there wouldn't be a spot in the offense for

0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Pop Douglas that I think there would be. But you

0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.560
<v Speaker 2>think about the Rams, you think about Cooper Cup, you

0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.400
<v Speaker 2>think about Puka Nakua, right like, those guys are are

0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.840
<v Speaker 2>bigger guys, bigger, sturdier receivers. A big reason why is

0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:09.000
<v Speaker 2>because they run a lot eleven personnel. So so those

0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:10.760
<v Speaker 2>guys are asked to block a lot at the point

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<v Speaker 2>of attack.

0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.160
<v Speaker 1>In the run in the condensed formations too, so they're

0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:15.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, not out on an island with a corner

0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.280
<v Speaker 1>where they can just kind of alay.

0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:21.439
<v Speaker 2>It, right, so they're basically blocking. They're basically having like

0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:25.439
<v Speaker 2>tight end type assignments in the run game, and that

0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:27.560
<v Speaker 2>that means that you have to have some size to

0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.040
<v Speaker 2>you and you have to be able to block and

0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:33.160
<v Speaker 2>hold up inside like that. They also really like obviously,

0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, yards after catch are a big part of it.

0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:39.000
<v Speaker 2>So they they look at good route runners, good blockers,

0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.600
<v Speaker 2>explosive ball carriers, right like those are the you know,

0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:46.200
<v Speaker 2>the Deebo Samuels, the brandon I Yuks, the George Kittles

0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.920
<v Speaker 2>obviously in San Francisco, and then I just mentioned the

0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.840
<v Speaker 2>two guys in LA. So that's a very specific type

0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.440
<v Speaker 2>of receiver. And I'm sure on this program, if they

0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:59.040
<v Speaker 2>do hire Zach Robinson to be the offensive coordinator, for example,

0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.399
<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk a lot about the type of

0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.600
<v Speaker 2>receivers in this class and how they fit into that system.

0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.760
<v Speaker 2>And it's not going to be I mentioned to you

0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.399
<v Speaker 2>last night, Bart that I was watching Troy Franklin from

0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.840
<v Speaker 2>from Oregon. Right it's it's not gonna be Troy Franklin, right,

0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Like the one hundred and eighty five pound receiver soaking

0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:20.320
<v Speaker 2>wet is not going to be the guy that you're

0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.960
<v Speaker 2>going to put in the Puka nakua role in this offense.

0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.919
<v Speaker 2>It's just not going to work out. So that's a

0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.480
<v Speaker 2>big part of it as well, is that if they're

0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.119
<v Speaker 2>going to go in this different direction, then they need

0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.119
<v Speaker 2>to start building the scheme in this different direction. So

0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.159
<v Speaker 2>I understand where you're coming from, and I I know

0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.119
<v Speaker 2>that I don't want to be like too alarmist about it.

0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.199
<v Speaker 2>The whole thing. I don't think it's that dire that

0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.280
<v Speaker 2>they're not going to be able to find somebody to

0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:45.919
<v Speaker 2>take the job or anything like that.

0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.120
<v Speaker 1>You do need to breathe on this stuff. It's once

0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.679
<v Speaker 1>a day I'm getting a text from you about it.

0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.879
<v Speaker 2>It's just there's that's like that's the man like, because that's.

0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.680
<v Speaker 1>One thing if you text me when like somebody got

0:19:57.680 --> 0:19:59.560
<v Speaker 1>a job and you're like, oh, this guy's off the board.

0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.680
<v Speaker 2>But like, I don't think it's a very just.

0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.320
<v Speaker 1>No news and you text it to me, I don't know,

0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:04.600
<v Speaker 1>you need to take take a walk.

0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.119
<v Speaker 2>There's not a lot of there's not a lot of

0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.960
<v Speaker 2>there's not a lot of positive buzz coming about this

0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.479
<v Speaker 2>this job. I'm just gonna say it to you that way, like,

0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:17.840
<v Speaker 2>there's it's not a very desirable job. And I think

0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.720
<v Speaker 2>the biggest reason why is, like I just said, you

0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:26.280
<v Speaker 2>have to it's a risk. It's a risk that if

0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.880
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't work out, then you're gonna have to go

0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.639
<v Speaker 2>tail between the legs, like back to Sean McVay in

0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.159
<v Speaker 2>LA and be like save my career. You know, Like

0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:41.360
<v Speaker 2>it's a big risk in terms of what they it's

0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:46.080
<v Speaker 2>a ball of clay, but it's not necessarily a very

0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:50.400
<v Speaker 2>known commodity going on here in Chicago, you know, Yeah,

0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.639
<v Speaker 2>maybe they're they draft Caleb Williams, but they also have

0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Justin Fields, and you know who Justin Fields is, and

0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Justin Fields hasn't flamed out quite as hard as like

0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:05.040
<v Speaker 2>mac Jones has yet. So maybe Shane Waldern believes that

0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.560
<v Speaker 2>he can fix Justin Fields. Maybe Shane Waldern believes that

0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.439
<v Speaker 2>with Marvin Harrison Junior, he can definitely fix Justin Fields.

0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.240
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if the Patriots have that. I

0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.480
<v Speaker 2>don't think Mac Jones around the league as rep right

0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.920
<v Speaker 2>now is he's fixable. I think that that's a they

0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 2>need to move on. They need to clean break from

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.320
<v Speaker 2>both sides. So I hear you, I understand that. You

0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.639
<v Speaker 2>know I'm a little bit worried about it. I'm not

0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna lie. I am a little bit worried

0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.159
<v Speaker 2>about it. So we can talk about the coordinators. I

0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.320
<v Speaker 2>think on the defensive side of the ball quickly. It

0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.920
<v Speaker 2>does really sound like DeMarcus Comington's gonna get that job

0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.400
<v Speaker 2>as the defensive coordinator for the Patriots. But the two

0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:43.600
<v Speaker 2>things that I'm interested in some of these guys that

0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.560
<v Speaker 2>they've interviewed other than him, like Hodges from the Saints,

0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.879
<v Speaker 2>Sir Christian Parker from the Broncos, who is a really

0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:56.120
<v Speaker 2>well thought of defensive backs coach, and those two guys

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.879
<v Speaker 2>from externally, let's start there. I wouldn't be surprised if

0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:05.320
<v Speaker 2>those guys are being interviewed with position coach roles potentially

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.080
<v Speaker 2>in mind, like they did last year with Adrian Klem

0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:12.560
<v Speaker 2>So maybe Christian Parker, depending on what happens with Belichick's staff,

0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:16.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, Mike Pellegrino, Brian Belichick, maybe Christian Parker is

0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:20.640
<v Speaker 2>brought into coach the secondary. Hodges is maybe a candidate

0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.320
<v Speaker 2>for linebackers coach. I would say the same thing about

0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Tim Lubka as a coordinator for a candidate for linebackers coach.

0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:30.520
<v Speaker 2>So all of those things make sense if like that's

0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.560
<v Speaker 2>the staff, right. Grodmeyo obviously is the head coach as

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 2>a big hand in the defense, DeMarcus Covington is a

0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.800
<v Speaker 2>defensive coordinator, and then those guys are filling in the

0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.800
<v Speaker 2>staff on the defensive side of the ball.

0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, Hodges is interesting because he was co defensive

0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.879
<v Speaker 1>coordinators with DeMarcus Covington at Eastern Illinois I think in

0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen before they both jumped to the NFL. So

0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.200
<v Speaker 1>those two guys that know each other have a working relationship,

0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.919
<v Speaker 1>and if you're Covington now you're running your own staff,

0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:59.600
<v Speaker 1>having a familiar face there definitely makes a ton of sense.

0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 1>The other guy that really interests me you mentioned is

0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Parker simply because he's not a cornerbacks coach and he's

0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.760
<v Speaker 1>not a safety's coach. He's a defensive backs coach. Yeah,

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.480
<v Speaker 1>that's his title. The Broncos don't employ people in those

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:13.920
<v Speaker 1>two other titles. They have an assistant defensive backs coach.

0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:17.880
<v Speaker 1>But how many times have we heard Patriots corners and safeties.

0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 1>We asked them about their position room and they say, well,

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.000
<v Speaker 1>we're all defensive backs. We all consider ourselves one position

0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Like that is definite, and you see it with guys

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.919
<v Speaker 1>like Jonathan Jones and guys like Miles Bryant. That is

0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:32.920
<v Speaker 1>definitely a core philosophy within the BUILDINGSOL. So a guy

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:36.800
<v Speaker 1>with Christian Parker's experience working with both positions and kind

0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 1>of tying them together in one group, if that's a

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.240
<v Speaker 1>philosophy they want to carry over, talk about a guy

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 1>that has the perfect mindset to do that. I don't

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.879
<v Speaker 1>know how many other teams I know some teams will

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 1>have a cornerbacks coach, a safeties coach, and then an

0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:53.240
<v Speaker 1>assistant defensive backs coach who kind of floats between the two.

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many teams just have one defensive

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:58.800
<v Speaker 1>backs coach and nobody specifically with the corners or safety.

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 1>So if that's something the Patriots want to emphasize, talk

0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 1>about a uniquely qualified guy to do that. Yeah, Andy,

0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Andy worked with I'm gonna be bad at Names today

0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:10.679
<v Speaker 1>Patricks Tan, right, and he helped with the rise of

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Patrister Tan, which is a nice.

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Thing, especially for Christian Gonzales. Right.

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Bring him in and similar kind of player, very similar.

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Kind of players. Christian Gonzalez has talked about Patrick Artan

0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:23.120
<v Speaker 2>is somebody that he watches and tries to emulate a lot.

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 2>So I could definitely see that those two guys working

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 2>well together. And like I said with Brian Belichick, with

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Mike Pellegrino, if Bill gets the Falcons job, then those

0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.159
<v Speaker 2>two guys, I would say, there's a good chance that

0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:41.359
<v Speaker 2>they follow him to Atlanta. So you're starting over in

0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.600
<v Speaker 2>the secondary, is my point. Coaching wise, If you can

0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 2>bring him a guy like Christian Parker in to be

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the DB's coach, and then maybe you get him an

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:54.400
<v Speaker 2>assistant and then that's he's sort of coordinating the back end.

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 2>And then DeMarcus Covington, who's got more experience up front

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 2>with the defensive line, he then coordinates the front end

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:02.560
<v Speaker 2>of the defense in the in the the front seven

0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 2>and the lion of scrimmage, and then you kind of

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 2>marry it together, right and that that that's how a

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 2>lot of teams have done it in the past, and

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of teams do it in general, going all

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:16.240
<v Speaker 2>the way back to you know, Bill's days in Cleveland

0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 2>with Nick Saban right where those two guys won was

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 2>according uh, more of a coverage, you know, secondary coach.

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:23.920
<v Speaker 2>One of them was more of a front pressure type

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 2>of coach, and they were able to combine both of

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.640
<v Speaker 2>their their brains and and build out a defense from

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 2>the inside out from there. So definitely a doable situation.

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:33.919
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I like that. The other thing I wanted to touch on,

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 2>and then we're gonna take the calls because I did.

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 2>The call screener is lit up. We have four people

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.920
<v Speaker 2>on on hold of we really appreciated eight five to

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:44.960
<v Speaker 2>five pats, five hundreds of the phone number We're gonna

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>get to all these in the second. Uh, Steve Belichick.

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:50.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm really interested to see what happens with Steve.

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 2>So I was talking, you know, I wrote a piece

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.399
<v Speaker 2>on Patriots dot com, uh with a couple of the

0:25:55.400 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 2>former players, Devin mccordy, Dante high Tower, Ja mccollins, Brandon's

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 2>It was really fun to catch up with Brandon Spikes

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 2>by the way out Skuy, You'd like run through a

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 2>brick wall for you know that guy. Oh God, that

0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:10.880
<v Speaker 2>guy's got that just intensity, that that you just love.

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Uh Staff right, Well, he's actually working at Florida with yeah,

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 2>with his alma mater. So he's a I don't know

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 2>if he has an official coaching title or for he's

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 2>more just kind of like a recruiter slash, you know,

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 2>football liaison type of person. But yeah, he's working down

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>in Florida right now. But uh, in general, you're just

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.120
<v Speaker 2>talking to uh his guy's Devin mccordy kind of laid

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:42.719
<v Speaker 2>out for me what exactly Drawed and Steve did behind

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:44.439
<v Speaker 2>the scenes, because I know this was a big question

0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 2>for a lot of people the last couple of years,

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>like who was doing what and it was it was

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 2>pretty much exactly what you might have thought, but it

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 2>was cool to have somebody that was in the building,

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.440
<v Speaker 2>that was in the room actually lay out exactly how

0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 2>it went. And uh. He said that Gerard was more

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 2>of like the motivator. He'd get up to the front

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>of the room. He'd lead a lot of the of

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 2>the meetings and be the guy that was, you know,

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 2>sort of the front facing guy. And he would get

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 2>up there and he would say, what the mentality, what

0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:16.360
<v Speaker 2>the mindset that they needed to play the game with,

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm this is me speaking, I'm kind of you know,

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:24.400
<v Speaker 2>dis guessing, you know, things like we gotta stop the run,

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:26.680
<v Speaker 2>we gotta do this, we gotta play tough in this pot.

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, we gotta be physical here, like things like that, right,

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 2>more of like a mindset or an overall big picture

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 2>type of view on things. And then Steve would come

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 2>in and he would talk about how the game plan

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and the calls that they were actually going to call

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 2>on the sheet, how those things would tie together to

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 2>the things that Gerard was talking about. So it was

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 2>like Gerard was like the motivator, big picture guy, and

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 2>then Steve was like the x's and o's this is

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 2>how we're actually gonna go out there and do it

0:27:55.840 --> 0:28:01.679
<v Speaker 2>type of guy. And that that worked. That relationship really worked.

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Those two guys have been really close. We see them

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.879
<v Speaker 2>around each other all the time, around the facility, on

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 2>the road, things like that. I think that there's a

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 2>really good argument to try to keep Steve around. And

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I know he hasn't a formally interviewed for the defensive

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 2>coordinator position, and I know Mike Reese has floated out

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 2>maybe an assistant head coach title instead of a defensive coordinator,

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.360
<v Speaker 2>but whatever it ends up being, whatever his title ends

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 2>up being, I would be making a pitch for Steve

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:31.120
<v Speaker 2>to stay whether or not his father gets a job

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 2>or not.

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've been on you with that, and I think

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>there's a case he does. You just look at the

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>personal element of it, having to move his family right

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and all of that, and yeah, it's a good point.

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is where he's from, obviously born and

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 1>raised here, So I look the draw coaching with his

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>dad is obviously significant. The other thing, and I don't

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>want to speak for him, but looking at it from

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the outside looking in, you figure Steve's gonna want to

0:28:56.000 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>coach after his dad is retired, and I think it

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>could help expediate that to kind of go out on

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>his own right. And he's not totally out on his

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 1>own in New England, and you know, we don't know

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>what his road would be. It's not like he's he

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>probably isn't going to be a coordinator out right, but

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever he's in charge of has success here.

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that probably helps expediate that process a little bit.

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, let's get to these calls.

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen this before, Marine, I've never seen the

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>whole screen filled like this before. This is pretty cool,

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 2>all right, So let's let's go through the calls.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the off season, man, it's an off season showing people.

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 2>People are into it. Man, Eric is in New Jersey?

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 2>What's up? Eric?

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<v Speaker 4>Evan? I have to push back on, you know, one

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 4>of is, you know, one of the philosophies that you've

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 4>been you know, you've been staying for. You know, you

0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 4>can't necessarily draft the receiver. I don't believe necessarily that

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 4>we have to draft Marvels and Harrison, but I just

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 4>really think that it's the quarterback that you're going to

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 4>get it. You know, you're fighting for Jaden Daniels. I

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 4>think May and Williams are going to go first. So

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 4>with that being because, I mean, look at look at

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 4>the Cleveland they had Joe Thomas, Joel Battino, Alex Mack.

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 4>They built that line up and get a quarterback behind that.

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 4>So I mean, I think there's a couple of ways

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 4>to get a cast, you know, to get to what

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 4>you need to get to. But but that being said,

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 4>you know who do you see if we had Jayden Daniels,

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 4>who would be the best offensive coordinator to work with here?

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 4>And I'll take it off the line, Thanks.

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Doug, Thanks Eric. Yeah, so I've been I've been pushing

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 2>back a little bit, Alex as you could shocker could

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>imagine on the Marvin Harrison junior thing, because part of

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 2>it is, I'll be honest with you, I've I've heard

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 2>this take from so many different people on in my replies,

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 2>and I mentioned the calls we got to draft Marvin

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Harrison junior. We got a draft Marvin Harrison junior. And

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I just want to play Devil's advocate, right like, just

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>there is Yes, there are a lot of really good

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 2>arguments for taking Marvin Harrison Junior, but it's not the

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 2>only way to go. Just as the caller just said.

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I can I give you a fun fact. I think

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are missing. Yes, Marvin Harrison Junior

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>is not the last wide receiver that will be available

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>in the NFL draft. In fact, he's not the only

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 1>good one available this year, and there will be other

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>drafts after this year too, So just remind people that, yes,

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 1>he's a tremendous player, he's not the only good wide

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>receiver in college football. He won't be the only good

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver in college football.

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a good point. I just I subscribe to

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 2>the theory and this is just my take on roster building.

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:23.760
<v Speaker 2>You can disagree with me, that's fine. But my take

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 2>on roster building is that you build from the inside out.

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that the best teams are built from the

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 2>inside out. And I think that all the shiny new

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 2>toys in terms of the weapons or playmakers, whatever you

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 2>want to call them, on an offense, those always come

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 2>after for the most part, after you've built out the

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 2>other areas of your team. And I look at the

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 2>teams that are currently sitting in the championship weekend right now,

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Alex and all four of these teams are built that way,

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 2>all four of them. And I'm talking about on offense.

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 2>And when I say inside out, yeah, the quarterback plays

0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the field, so I count the

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 2>quarterback right, quarterback, offensive line. And then once you have

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>those that structure, quarterback, offensive line, offensive system. Once you

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:12.959
<v Speaker 2>have that structure in place, that's when you make the

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 2>trade for Christian McCaffrey. That's when you go out and

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>you get you know, weapons in the draft like Detroit did,

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Jamiir Gibbs, Sam Laporta, They did all those types of things.

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>These teams that are left standing have done all those

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 2>the extra cherries on top once they've already had the

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 2>rest of this stuff in place. So when the Lions

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 2>went into last year's draft, well, yeah, the Lions don't

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 2>need to take an offensive lineman because their offensive lines

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:44.479
<v Speaker 2>absolutely loaded. So and they like Jared Goff so they

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to take a quarterback. So Jamiir Gibbs and

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Sam Laporta with two of their first three picks made

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>sense for them. Those are two skilled player guys and

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 2>positions of need for them that could come and put

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 2>them over the top. And that's exactly what it's done.

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 2>You look at baltim More, that team is completely built

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>from the InsideOut offensively because always and they are probably

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 2>one of the best roster building teams in the league

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 2>in my mind. So I am just looking at it

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 2>and I get it. Some Patriots fans look at it

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 2>and say, well, as a two to three year rebuild anyways,

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 2>so let's just take the best player available. The safest

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>pick is Marvin Harrison Junior because he's the most talented

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>player in the draft. And maybe you're right, Maybe you're

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 2>right about that. I just look at it the other way.

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I look at it as Calvin Johnson in Detroit, Larry

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Fitzgerald in Arizona until they had that one year with

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Kurt Warner, uh Careerrell, yeah, trel Owens his whole career,

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 2>and then right now, just a current example is Garrett

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Wilson with the Jets, who has back to back a

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 2>thousand yard seasons offensive Rookie of the Year last year

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>with New York in twenty twenty two, and they can't

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 2>win anything, and why because they don't have a quarterback,

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 2>they don't have an offensive line that blocks well, they

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of holes elsewhere on the roster. So, yes,

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>you could draft Marvin Harrison Junior and you could do it.

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 2>You could build it out properly around him and do

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 2>all these different types of things. But I just think

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 2>that that's I will always subscribe to the theory that

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.360
<v Speaker 2>that's the last piece. The receiver is the last piece

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 2>that you add to it, because if you don't have

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 2>anybody that can block, and you don't have a quarterback

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>that can get him the ball, it's a waste. He's wasting.

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 2>You're wasting away the best years of his career in

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 2>the cheapest years of his career with a team around

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 2>him that can't get him the football.

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 1>There's very little evidence that you can start or rebuild

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 1>with a wide receiver successfully started rebuild. I mean, teams

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 1>have tried to do it. And I texted you this

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 1>this week. I actually feel like Patriots fans overrate Marvin

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Junior a little bit. Not in the sense that

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:50.320
<v Speaker 1>he's not a great player, but he's not going to

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 1>come in and fix everything. He doesn't come in and

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>then suddenly you know you're a top ten offense. And

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 1>that's not to say like, yes, the lad no c

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>all right, So you hire an offense Cornadi, you add

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Marvin Harrison junior. If you don't touch anything else, you're

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>still a bottom half offense in the league. Do you

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>tick up a little bit? Yeah? Probably, But you're talking about,

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, compared to you look at Evan You've talked

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>about this, the Houston Texans being the model for the Patriots. Yeah,

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 1>you hit on the quarterback position. The Texans. I'm not

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 1>going to say that their receivers are bad, they're solid,

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 1>they're better than the Patriots. But do they have a

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Marvin Harrison junior? Do they have a Gary Wilson? Do

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>they have that?

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 4>Real?

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Like Tank Dell is a fun player, he's good, But

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, is Nico Collins one of these like household names.

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 2>That's like, you know, the Texans are a perfect example.

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying, Like.

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 2>They should be going and getting the number one receiver

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 2>this offseason right.

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Like exactly exactly. So that's where I look at it,

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Like you look at what a quarterback can do compared

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 1>to you look at what a wide receiver can do.

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.240
<v Speaker 1>And it is a rebuild. You are starting from scratch,

0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>So why not shoot for the moon? Why not? Why

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>not go bigger go home, and that's taking a quarterback.

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 1>So I just you talk about the impact the the

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:04.720
<v Speaker 1>position can have, nothing touches quarterback in terms of that impact.

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 1>And nobody's going to debate that. Even if you're a

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>big Margaret Harrison person, you can't debate that quarterback is

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the ultimate impact position.

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I just I can't stress enough how terribly

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 2>awful the Patriots offensive line was last year. And this

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 2>is sort of that argument of let's take the quarterback

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 2>out of it for a second. Let's say they do

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 2>their homework on the quarterbacks and for whatever reason, they

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>just don't like them. Right. I'm not saying that I

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 2>agree with that, but let's just.

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Kill you either. But we've and somebody said yesterday that

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 1>they like at least two of them. But I've said

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 1>this before, and I'll put the qualifier on it. If

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.920
<v Speaker 1>you don't like the quarterback, don't take a quarterback just

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 1>to take a quarter.

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, That's how you end up with Zach Wilson. So

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 2>you look at.

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, they had options with Zach Wilson and they

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>still took him.

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 2>That's true, but there are other options. I don't think

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.360
<v Speaker 2>we're I mean, justin field is a better option. I

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:59.959
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't say that the offensive line was dead last IMpower

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.800
<v Speaker 2>pluck win rate last year. I have no idea who's

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 2>coaching that group right now. I don't think it's going

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 2>to be Adrian klem So that's another opening that they're

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.799
<v Speaker 2>going to have to fill. If you tell me that

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>between now and April, they re sign Mike on Winnu,

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>they acquire a veteran tackle that they feel like can

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 2>can not a Riley Reef right, like somebody that can

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 2>come in here and actually play right. And they're in

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:27.799
<v Speaker 2>a new system with a good offensive line coach. And

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 2>when I say new system, this McVeigh Shanahan system, one

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 2>of the good things about it is that it's a

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.280
<v Speaker 2>really it makes life a lot easier on the offensive

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>line because of how much they move the pocket. So

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 2>that allows the quarter It almost allows this scheme to

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:45.200
<v Speaker 2>protect the quarterback in a lot of ways, so you're

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 2>not making the offensive line, you know, leaving them out

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 2>to dry as much and just like straight drop back

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 2>type of situations. So if you're telling me that they

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 2>do all four of those things on when who upgraded

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>veteran tackle? Offensive line code? Who I like and a

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 2>scheme that I like. Then maybe we can get to

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 2>April and say I would take mgh over Joe Alt.

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:12.399
<v Speaker 2>But until I checked all four of those boxes, I'm

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 2>taking the tackle, I'm taking the blindside protector. I'm building

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 2>it out through the line of scrimmage just like Detroit did.

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 2>And I'm trying to play play man football, like you

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 2>like to say, Alex, right, like you know, play a

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 2>little man football for a little while, and hopefully you

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 2>find that quarterback some way, somehow. The Lions found it

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 2>with Jared Goff just trading for Jared Goff Matthew Stafford.

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they find it in the second round. Maybe it's Penix,

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.719
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's Bo Nix. I take the say up, but

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:45.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's JJ McCarthy right like something like that. Yeah,

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 2>but maybe that's the direction that they go in. But again,

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 2>this is like an argument that we're gonna have for

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 2>the next four months of if not quarterback, do you

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:57.719
<v Speaker 2>go tackle or receiver? And I'm just saying in that situation,

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 2>if not quarterback, I'm going tackle. That's where I'm at.

0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 1>And I think part of it is too, you have

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to factor because I saw some people in the chat say, oh,

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 1>if you don't draft Marvin Harrison junior, or and you

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:09.439
<v Speaker 1>draft a quarterback who's he throwing it to? There's free

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 1>agency just rounds two through seven. The reality of the

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 1>quarterback position is outside of some massive I don't want

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 1>to say flukes, but not like brock parties in an omaly.

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.760
<v Speaker 1>You can't build your off season around planning to find

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Brock Party in the seventh round. That's just not it's

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>not gonna work.

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 2>And there's also right, and there's also the side of

0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:33.800
<v Speaker 2>it that you know, I've laid this out before. Yeah,

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 2>you need there's three elements of offense, right, it's system,

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>it's receivers, it's four I guess quarterback, offensive line. Right,

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 2>like those four boxes, you can probably running you can No,

0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm forgetting running backs. You can probably do it with

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 2>two or three out of the four. You can do it.

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 2>You can if you have a really good offensive line

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 2>and you have a really good quarterback, you can probably

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 2>make do with lesser than receivers. Just like the rock

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Party model of the opposite is.

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.839
<v Speaker 1>Sure, you also don't need to have lesser than receivers. Again,

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:12.919
<v Speaker 1>to go back to the Texans, they found Tank Dell

0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 1>as serviceable player in what the third round? The third round,

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 1>where did they get Nico Collins. You look at some

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 1>of the top young receivers in the league. These guys

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>are day two, day three picks in this draft. Evan,

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:29.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting ready for the Senior Bowl here and I

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:31.359
<v Speaker 1>usually pick you know, three or four players in each

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 1>position to highlight when I write my preview, I can't

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:37.280
<v Speaker 1>shop any of these receivers. I mean, this is as

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:39.400
<v Speaker 1>deep a wide receiver class as we've seen in a

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>long time. You can get guys who will be legitimate playmakers,

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>not just like there in filling out a roster spot.

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 1>But now you have to find the right guy. That's

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 1>not saying it'll be all of them. You got to

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:52.760
<v Speaker 1>find the right guy develop them. But there are guys

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:54.759
<v Speaker 1>to be found and developed on Day two and maybe

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 1>even early day three that you know have thousand yard potential,

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>that have at the very least low level wide receiver one,

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 1>high level wide receiver two potential. And that's at the least.

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's guys not named Marvin Harrison Junior in

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 1>this class that will maybe even go on Day two

0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that have the potential to be Pro bowlers. So you

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:15.479
<v Speaker 1>can't say that about quarterback. You can't say it as

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:18.879
<v Speaker 1>much about tackle. You do a little bit. We'll get

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.840
<v Speaker 1>into that, but yeah, there's just and then you go

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to free agency too, you go to the trade market.

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:26.800
<v Speaker 1>There's so many other ways to get wide receivers. Again,

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Marvin Harrison Junior is not the only wide receiver who

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 1>will be available in NFL history, and I feel like

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>some people losing sight.

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Of the we're also looking at. Like to your point,

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 2>you look across the playoffs this year, you know, you

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 2>look in Houston. Nico collins Is has a breakout year

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 2>with CJ. Stroud. Tank Dell was on that trajectory until

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 2>he got hurt. Both those guys are mid round draft picks.

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 2>You look in Green Bay Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs

0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:57.839
<v Speaker 2>both mid round draft picks. Jaden Reid also a mid

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.760
<v Speaker 2>round draft pick. None of those guys are for round picks.

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:05.839
<v Speaker 2>You look in Detroit. Personally, I a Monroe Saint Brown

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 2>going where he went was because sometimes teams overthink it.

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.839
<v Speaker 2>A Monroe Saint Brown was awesome at USC. The big

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 2>reason why he went later was because of his forty times,

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:18.840
<v Speaker 2>because of his size. Right, like those types of things,

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:21.320
<v Speaker 2>but he was he was a football player. He was

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 2>a baller at USC and his tape was phenomenal, but

0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 2>he falls in the draft because of his size and

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 2>things like that. Sam laporta early second round pick, So

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 2>that all these teams that are are left standing, I

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.759
<v Speaker 2>guess besides the Niners, but even Brandon Niyuk was a

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.080
<v Speaker 2>late first round guy. Like he wasn't you know, top

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 2>ten type of pick, right, So none of these teams

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that are left standing right now. Zay Flowers early twenties

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 2>right last year with the Baltimore Ravens.

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Which, by the way, the Patriots can realistically get to

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:51.800
<v Speaker 1>if they find a wide receiver in that range.

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 5>They really like.

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 2>There really isn't a whole lot of teams in this

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 2>playoffs that have gone far with the number one bona

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:02.359
<v Speaker 2>fide you know, Jamar Chase, and I'm it obviously has

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:04.760
<v Speaker 2>happened in recent years, so I'm not saying it's never happened,

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 2>but Tyreek Kill Jamar Chase have done it. But other

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 2>than that, you know, the this year has been a

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 2>good year for what I'm trying to kind of trying

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 2>to say, which is the entire roster building through the

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:20.960
<v Speaker 2>line of scrimmage building through the quarterback. You know, things

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:24.400
<v Speaker 2>like that. This these teams are not loaded with like

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 2>first round Marvin Harrison junior type receiver talent. They might

0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 2>have guys that have gotten to you know, Pro Bowls

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:34.720
<v Speaker 2>or a thousand yard receiving years because of their talent,

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 2>but it was later on in the draft. So it's

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 2>a good point. All right, Let's go to Max Is

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 2>in Washington, d C. What's up. Max?

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:45.720
<v Speaker 5>Hey, guys, I'm curious which players on the roster and

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 5>and fur agency you see it is a better or

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:51.279
<v Speaker 5>worse fit with a makes a offense. I know you

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 5>mentioned to Mario Douglas already. You know it'll be interested

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 5>and how you think he might be used, you know's

0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 5>a way to scale up what the Rams did with

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.640
<v Speaker 5>too to out well this year. And then curious if

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 5>you think of when it would still be heap to

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 5>fit at right tackle.

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 6>Thanks?

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Max, it's a good question on on one two

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:12.760
<v Speaker 2>because you know he's a bigger power downhill run blocker

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 2>at the position if they're going to run outside zone

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:18.879
<v Speaker 2>here Alex, and it's not it's not a great fit

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 2>to have a three and forty pound tackle you know,

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:26.279
<v Speaker 2>trying to block a stretch run that that's just not

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.279
<v Speaker 2>really what what that's all about. Do I think that

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 2>he could do it? Yeah? Absolutely, I think he's just

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 2>he's good enough. He's just talented enough to be able

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 2>to do it. Is it a perfect fit?

0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:36.759
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:40.399
<v Speaker 2>And in reality, you know a guy like Cole Strange City,

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>So those guys are a little bit more athletic and

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:44.840
<v Speaker 2>they'll a little bit have a little bit more you know,

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 2>range and athleticism at their positions for the interior in

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 2>that type of system. Another guy, not that anybody wants

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:54.600
<v Speaker 2>him back necessarily, but Trent Brown is definitely not a

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:58.920
<v Speaker 2>fit for that type of scheme. So if they go

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 2>in that direction, it would be interesting to see what

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 2>if they end up prioritizing on when WU on the

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 2>same level, because I don't think that it's a great

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 2>fit in terms of what they would want to do

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:14.280
<v Speaker 2>schematically versus his skill set.

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It, And that's why some of this stuff with

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the free agency and the draft at certain positions, like

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>we'll get into alignment and receivers, Like you said, we

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 1>got to talk a little bit generally still, and I

0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:27.879
<v Speaker 1>hate We've been doing this for months now, but it's

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 1>who's coaching the team, right, Yeah, that's where that thing

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 1>comes back.

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I would actually be pretty fascinated to see

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:36.919
<v Speaker 2>how they they view on WHENU if they do hire

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Zach Robinson.

0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 1>You know what, at the same time, Zach Robinson's this

0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:43.040
<v Speaker 1>like offensive genius incorporated three hundred and forty pounds tackle

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:45.680
<v Speaker 1>in a West Coast scheme. Maybe there's a way to

0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 1>do that.

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 2>You certainly can and you know, there's certain elements I

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:53.399
<v Speaker 2>should say of that scheme that on when it would

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:56.799
<v Speaker 2>be perfectly perfectly fine at it and probably really good

0:45:56.840 --> 0:46:00.359
<v Speaker 2>at you know, they in LA after the Super Bowl

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:03.800
<v Speaker 2>against the Patriots where they lost and only scored three points.

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.719
<v Speaker 2>A big part of what McVeigh did, other than that

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>obviously upgrading to Matthew Stafford, but a big part of

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:13.880
<v Speaker 2>what McVeigh did was he he incorporated more downhill run

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 2>into their offense. Because teams were just sitting on the

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 2>edges on the outside zone stuff. So he did incorporate

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:24.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot more duo in particular to run downhill and

0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 2>stress people in between the numbers so that they couldn't

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:30.280
<v Speaker 2>just put double edges out or six to one fronts

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 2>like the Patriots used in that Super Bowl and just

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 2>line up guys all across the front and you know,

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.319
<v Speaker 2>blow up outside zone because we can come at you

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 2>if we have to, if that's how you're gonna play us.

0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 2>So in that respect, on when who obviously fits that

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 2>box right, he can. You know, he's great on on

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:50.200
<v Speaker 2>double teams, duo schemes, things like that, and he would

0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 2>be fine in their dropback pass game, you know, when

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 2>it comes to third down, you know, when it comes

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:57.439
<v Speaker 2>to two minutes, when it comes to those types of situations,

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:00.799
<v Speaker 2>he'd be perfectly fine in their Way Coast, you know

0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 2>what is more like a traditional West Coast package. When

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 2>they get into that type of offense, their early down

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.879
<v Speaker 2>stuff is obviously very heavy outside zone. But when again

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:11.759
<v Speaker 2>at the third down, it's just it's a normal drop

0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:13.960
<v Speaker 2>back passing game. Like it's obviously a little bit different

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 2>than what the Patriots are currently doing, but it's it's

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 2>cut from the same cloth and everything is so on

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 2>when we would be fine in like three out of

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:24.400
<v Speaker 2>the four phases, it's just the base of that offense

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:26.439
<v Speaker 2>is outside zone, and he would not be a great

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 2>fit in the base element of that scheme.

0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 1>So that could probably you could probably tell me if

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:34.960
<v Speaker 1>this is a comp better or you tell me how

0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:37.480
<v Speaker 1>good of a compass is. But in twenty twenty one

0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 1>they made it work with the three hundred and thirty

0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 1>pound thirty nine year old Andrew Whitworth, who wasn't that

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:47.000
<v Speaker 1>mobile at the time. Right, If Whitworth can make it work,

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 1>and I think he was on the left side right, so.

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he's playing the left tackle and Whitworth I

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 2>do remember him being pretty. It's not so much about

0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.879
<v Speaker 2>if you can cover ten to fifteen side to side.

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it's more about like those reach blocks on

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the line of scrimmage or things like that, like if

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.399
<v Speaker 2>you're if you're out leverage and you have to reach

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:11.040
<v Speaker 2>the three technique as the tackle and he's playing inside

0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:12.880
<v Speaker 2>of you, do you have the foot speed? Do you

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:15.799
<v Speaker 2>have the explosiveness out of your stance to then get

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:18.400
<v Speaker 2>inside of him and turn him out? Those types of

0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 2>things are difficult to do when you're when you're that size.

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 2>So that's why a guy like on On WHENU or

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Trent Brown like they just want to come right at you.

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.800
<v Speaker 2>They don't want to have to be moving laterally, and

0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:34.080
<v Speaker 2>I I it's not impossible for on Whenno to fit it,

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:36.880
<v Speaker 2>and I have seen him block outside zone in the

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:40.960
<v Speaker 2>past pretty well. It just is a much smaller sample

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:42.640
<v Speaker 2>size of what they've done here.

0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got I got you all right?

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Mo Is in Orlando? What's up Moe?

0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:52.279
<v Speaker 7>Hey, guys, longtime listener. First on Color, I gotta say

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:54.800
<v Speaker 7>enjoy any content that you guys put out. Thank you

0:48:55.840 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 7>on this uh, you know, offseason moves and with New

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 7>England having so much money to really spend, I really

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 7>think that there is a path that we could really

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:09.240
<v Speaker 7>set New England's offense up for success.

0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Like in the here and now.

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:14.960
<v Speaker 7>First step, I think resign one. You give him a

0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:17.680
<v Speaker 7>tackle money if you have to, but I would put

0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 7>him at right guard. Go get yourself, Jonah Williams from

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 7>the Bengals. There's your right tackle. Now here's where you

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:26.400
<v Speaker 7>guys might not like it so much, but you resigned

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:30.440
<v Speaker 7>Trent bound short short term deal and you then you

0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:33.880
<v Speaker 7>draft like a developmental tackle on the third and have

0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:38.799
<v Speaker 7>him take over once once Brown is gone. That would

0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 7>leave City so shifting over to left guard. Strange is

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:46.719
<v Speaker 7>now the odd man out. If David Andrews retires, you

0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:49.759
<v Speaker 7>could try and develop him at center, or just you know,

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.720
<v Speaker 7>move up Jake Andrews as a starter, resigned Hunter Henry

0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:59.080
<v Speaker 7>and Perrel Brown, draft another tight end and try and

0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:02.800
<v Speaker 7>get yourself t Higg and free agency. Sounds like he

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:07.520
<v Speaker 7>might just come back on They just might franchise tag him.

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:09.520
<v Speaker 7>So if that's not possible, I think Mike Evans might

0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:12.319
<v Speaker 7>be more realistic that way. When it comes to your

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.520
<v Speaker 7>third pick, take your quarterback. Hopefully May is there. I

0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:17.520
<v Speaker 7>wouldn't mind Daniels, but I think May might be the

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:21.239
<v Speaker 7>better fit. And draft another receiver in the second round,

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:24.800
<v Speaker 7>and as well as Kendrick Bourne if you can the

0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:27.560
<v Speaker 7>player's d and I just want to see if you

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 7>guys agree if this is realistic or if this is

0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:34.359
<v Speaker 7>something that the Patriots could actually, you know, make work.

0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:36.680
<v Speaker 7>So I'll take my question off the Ears. Thank you guys.

0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:40.759
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Mo. That was a lot. But I I in

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:43.799
<v Speaker 2>terms of like my dream offseason, I think Moe hit

0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:45.759
<v Speaker 2>on a lot of the same things that I would

0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:46.000
<v Speaker 2>hit on.

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:50.439
<v Speaker 1>I would say, besides the offensive line stuff, he pretty

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:51.359
<v Speaker 1>much nailed it right.

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:56.839
<v Speaker 2>It's basically you're you're looking at, you know, go after

0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.239
<v Speaker 2>the big fish in the receiver market and the in

0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:03.240
<v Speaker 2>free agency, whether it's t Higgins, Michael Pittman, Mike Evans

0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:07.840
<v Speaker 2>by the way, yeah he's a good player, Calvin Ridley,

0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:11.319
<v Speaker 2>you know whoever it ends up being. Bring Kendrick burn back,

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:14.520
<v Speaker 2>and then draft one of these you know, deep receiver class.

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Draft one of these guys in the third round, second,

0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:19.400
<v Speaker 2>third round, right, and then you're looking at a receiver

0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:24.280
<v Speaker 2>room of Michael Pittman, Junior Kendrick Bourne, the Mario Douglas

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:27.080
<v Speaker 2>and whoever the guy is that you draft in the

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:29.839
<v Speaker 2>in on Day two. Uh, that's a pretty good room.

0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:33.440
<v Speaker 2>And then maybe you know the a Juju, a Devonte Parker,

0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:36.000
<v Speaker 2>a Taekwon Thornton are still here to fill it out, right,

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, fill out the depth chart. Right, that's a

0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 2>strong room.

0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:39.440
<v Speaker 8>Uh.

0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:42.480
<v Speaker 2>It's not an elite room, but it's definitely better than

0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:42.840
<v Speaker 2>what you have.

0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:43.719
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Then you look at the NFL. Yeah, especially if you

0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:50.200
<v Speaker 2>know the Day two guy is.

0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Good, especially like you assuming you hit on that guy.

0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then you're looking at uh the offensive line. I

0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:02.360
<v Speaker 2>have no, I have very little, you know, love it

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.719
<v Speaker 2>anymore for Trent Brown, Like I'm all, I would much

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:09.440
<v Speaker 2>rather see them go in a different direction than Trent Brown.

0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:13.440
<v Speaker 2>He mentioned He mentioned Jonah Williams. Right, Jonah Williams, I

0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:16.920
<v Speaker 2>think is an intriguing project of like just can he

0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 2>bounce back from the injuries and maybe you get that

0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>first round talent out of him. But I would be

0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:25.880
<v Speaker 2>cool with that as like a bridge to somebody that

0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:29.520
<v Speaker 2>you draft, But you have to have a more concrete

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:32.000
<v Speaker 2>long term plan than Jonah Williams. Jonah Williams not going

0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:34.359
<v Speaker 2>to be your tackle for the next five years. Maybe

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:36.600
<v Speaker 2>he's your tackle in twenty twenty four if he can

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 2>stay on the field, but he's not going to be

0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:40.759
<v Speaker 2>your tackle long term. So I'd look at that and

0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:43.840
<v Speaker 2>maybe as like a bridge, kind of like what they

0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:46.400
<v Speaker 2>tried to do with Trent Brown in eighteen. Right, Isaiah

0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 2>win Right, I'm am I ready to give up on

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Cole Strange. My biggest problem with Cole Strange right now

0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Alex is not necessarily film or what he was putting

0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:04.120
<v Speaker 2>out there. It's durability. There's a chance that he's just

0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:09.040
<v Speaker 2>not maybe too small right to play the interior and

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:11.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe if you move him the center that helps. Usually

0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:13.319
<v Speaker 2>you can get away with it a little bit more

0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:15.320
<v Speaker 2>at center in terms of size and things like that.

0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:18.880
<v Speaker 2>But something this year he was injury riddle, you know,

0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:22.080
<v Speaker 2>basically didn't have a training camp because of injury, in

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:23.840
<v Speaker 2>and out of the lineup at times, and then he

0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 2>is completely out of the lineup to end the year

0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:29.360
<v Speaker 2>with the knee injury. So I think that durability is

0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:31.000
<v Speaker 2>a big question mark with him. But I do think

0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:32.840
<v Speaker 2>that he was getting better in terms of what he

0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:36.920
<v Speaker 2>was putting on film and city. So I like him

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.480
<v Speaker 2>at right guard. I think that he's a good fit there.

0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:42.680
<v Speaker 2>What I mind flipping him to left guard, know, but

0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:44.919
<v Speaker 2>I still think that out of all of the plan

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:47.040
<v Speaker 2>that he just laid out, the one thing that I

0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:48.840
<v Speaker 2>would maybe push back on a little bit is that

0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:51.000
<v Speaker 2>they have to have a more premium mass set at

0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the tackle position, whether that's the thirty fourth pick in

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:57.800
<v Speaker 2>the draft, whether that's trading for more established veteran tackle,

0:53:57.880 --> 0:53:59.840
<v Speaker 2>whatever the case may be. I need to have a

0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:02.960
<v Speaker 2>really good plan of how we're going to address left tackle.

0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it. You're just you're you're moving a bunch

0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:07.880
<v Speaker 1>of pieces around. You're not really solving anything in the

0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:09.799
<v Speaker 1>plan that he laid out, and I think you want

0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:11.839
<v Speaker 1>to have I'm not saying you're gonna have all five

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:14.000
<v Speaker 1>spots figured out for the next five years. But you

0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:15.360
<v Speaker 1>want to have you want to come out of the

0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 1>offseason with more direction on the offensive line. And again

0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:19.879
<v Speaker 1>what he laid out right now, you have a first

0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:22.680
<v Speaker 1>round pick, bench, you're moving a rookie to his second

0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:25.680
<v Speaker 1>position to two years. Both your tackles are bridge guys.

0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:28.640
<v Speaker 1>You drafted a project player, but they have project players.

0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Like what it's different? But is it better?

0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, that's fair. I think that one of the

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:41.040
<v Speaker 2>more underrated things about this offseason is offensive line coach.

0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Like who they bring in to coach the line is

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:47.520
<v Speaker 2>such a massive, massive higher for this team right now,

0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:50.319
<v Speaker 2>and I'm hoping that they're going to hit this. They're

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:51.880
<v Speaker 2>going to do better than the last time. When they

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:55.160
<v Speaker 2>hire a drink, we'll see. I mean that's gonna be

0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:57.959
<v Speaker 2>a the offensive coordinator. Yeah, yeah, it's a big higher,

0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:01.719
<v Speaker 2>you know. I think offensive line coach coach in terms

0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:04.279
<v Speaker 2>of position coaches like going down from the coordinator level.

0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I think offensive line coach is the most important assistant

0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:09.640
<v Speaker 2>coach on your on your entire staff.

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:12.399
<v Speaker 1>I'd still go quarterbacks coach, but I'll give offensive line coach.

0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess I usually assume the offensive coordinator has

0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:18.480
<v Speaker 2>a big hand in the quarterback, So I lessen some

0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:18.879
<v Speaker 2>of the past.

0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:20.840
<v Speaker 1>If you're for the Patriots, if you're going to have

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:24.400
<v Speaker 1>a rookie quarterback, that offensive quarterbacks, that quarterbacks coach is

0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:26.960
<v Speaker 1>so important. If you're a team with an established quarterback,

0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:29.840
<v Speaker 1>then yeah, like in a bubble offensive line.

0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a it's a huge deal.

0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:35.000
<v Speaker 2>And the last thing there that I wanted to touch

0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:37.400
<v Speaker 2>on what I'm trying to follow all these steps here,

0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Hunter Henry. I would look to retain Hunter Henry.

0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:45.040
<v Speaker 2>I like his idea of bringing back Hunter Henry and

0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Pharaoh Brown and then and then drafting a tight end

0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:50.680
<v Speaker 2>some maybe like you know, on day three at.

0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Some part three. I think Hunter Henry is a very

0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:56.920
<v Speaker 1>clear franchise tag can that it would actually be a

0:55:57.000 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 1>decrease in pay from last year, sets him up as

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:02.359
<v Speaker 1>a bridge and then you draft his replacement. He also adds,

0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:04.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, veteran leadership to a room that's going to

0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of change.

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:07.600
<v Speaker 2>There you go, I look at Hunter Henry and I

0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:10.120
<v Speaker 2>look at their tackle spot Alex, and just this is

0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:13.880
<v Speaker 2>what happens when you ignore needs and you keep on

0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:17.600
<v Speaker 2>kicking cans down the road. We've been talking about drafting

0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:22.680
<v Speaker 2>tackle and drafting a developmental tight end to pass the

0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:25.560
<v Speaker 2>torch to really at both spots. But you know, tackle

0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:29.440
<v Speaker 2>hopefully more immediate solve and then tight end. Yeah, you

0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:33.080
<v Speaker 2>have Hunter Henry under contract, you had Jonny Smith under contract,

0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:36.399
<v Speaker 2>you had Mica Sicky whatever. But they never really had

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:40.320
<v Speaker 2>anybody in the pipeline. And this is a big reason

0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:43.000
<v Speaker 2>why I don't think that that Bill Belichick is here anymore,

0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:46.080
<v Speaker 2>is because they stopped planning ahead for these types of holes.

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.520
<v Speaker 2>We we've been talking so offseason after season.

0:56:49.560 --> 0:56:52.960
<v Speaker 1>If I can just pre characterize that, I think it's

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it's a mix between stopped planning ahead and got behind

0:56:56.880 --> 0:56:59.359
<v Speaker 1>the sticks because of poor asset management, right, Like, yeah,

0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:02.000
<v Speaker 1>if Isaay works out, they don't need a plan ahead,

0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Like it it's a backup. There was a backup of needs.

0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:10.640
<v Speaker 2>But we've been talking about tackle as like a premium

0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:13.160
<v Speaker 2>need on this team, like they need to do something

0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:16.120
<v Speaker 2>big to address this for two or three off seasons.

0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Now I want to say.

0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:18.800
<v Speaker 1>It's more than that. I think it's as long as

0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:20.360
<v Speaker 1>me and you've covered the team.

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Since Isaiah Win, I would say for me, since Isaiah

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Win went belly up, right, Like, since we figured out

0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.440
<v Speaker 2>like maybe nineteen twenty times, you know, somewhere around there,

0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:32.920
<v Speaker 2>that Isaiah Win was not the answer that that has

0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:36.480
<v Speaker 2>become a real big need for this team. Last year,

0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:40.440
<v Speaker 2>we talked at nauseum about the free agent market at tackle,

0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the guys in the draft at tackle, and they did neither,

0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 2>like Riley Reeve and con and Calvin Anderson is doing neither.

0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm sorry, I.

0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Don't think we talked about either of those guys until

0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:50.440
<v Speaker 1>they were signed.

0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because there we were thinking bigger. You know, I

0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:56.760
<v Speaker 2>understand that not all of those guys. You know, PFF

0:57:56.800 --> 0:57:59.040
<v Speaker 2>would tell you that not all of those guys from

0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:01.880
<v Speaker 2>the free agency class last year panned out for their teams.

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Like mcglinchy I think had a pretty roughy year in Denver,

0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:08.320
<v Speaker 2>But like, I don't necessarily put a ton into that

0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:11.200
<v Speaker 2>because that doesn't necessarily mean what they would have done here.

0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:15.160
<v Speaker 2>And it was such a big need that Orlando Brown,

0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Juwan Taylor, Mike mcglinchy, Caleb McGarry, like all even an

0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Andre Dillard, who I know I also didn't have a

0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:25.880
<v Speaker 2>great year where he was at was a Tennessee. Uh yeah, Tennessee. Yes,

0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:29.840
<v Speaker 2>those guys were just they were better bets than what

0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:33.640
<v Speaker 2>they ended up with, and they cheaped out at it

0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:35.680
<v Speaker 2>because I think they looked at it and said, we're

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:39.600
<v Speaker 2>paying for C plus talent, which normally I would say

0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:42.160
<v Speaker 2>I would agree with. But I think on the offensive line,

0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:46.320
<v Speaker 2>you can having just like a solid starter at a

0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:49.760
<v Speaker 2>spot is way more valuable than some other places on

0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 2>the team. It's way more valuable to just have a

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>guy that's not going to completely sink your offense at

0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:59.320
<v Speaker 2>the at a tackle spot. Then let's just say, you know,

0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:03.959
<v Speaker 2>having like a league average receiver. I think that really

0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:08.920
<v Speaker 2>helps you out a ton because it just allows you

0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:13.840
<v Speaker 2>to be a functional offense. That's what offensive line play is. Yeah,

0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:16.560
<v Speaker 2>you can have a dominant offensive line like the Detroit

0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Lions do, and that can be like a tone for

0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:20.520
<v Speaker 2>your team, right, Like that can really set the tone

0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:23.000
<v Speaker 2>of how you are as a football team. But you

0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:26.040
<v Speaker 2>can also just have an offensive line that doesn't screw

0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:29.200
<v Speaker 2>it up. And you have to at least be at

0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:31.320
<v Speaker 2>that baseline. You have to be at the not screw

0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:35.200
<v Speaker 2>it up baseline, and guys like mcglinch, mclinchy guys like

0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Orlando Brown, they would have done that for this team.

0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:40.440
<v Speaker 2>They would have been able to be c plus starters,

0:59:40.880 --> 0:59:43.280
<v Speaker 2>if not more than that for this team, and they

0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:45.600
<v Speaker 2>pass on it. So here we are again talking about

0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:48.520
<v Speaker 2>offensive line, and now they have other holes too, and

0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the third overall pick in the draft is probably going

0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:52.400
<v Speaker 2>to go to a quarterback. So now we're really talking

0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:55.800
<v Speaker 2>about offensive line at thirty four or at sixty eight

0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:58.880
<v Speaker 2>because the offensive line free agency class, let me tell

0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:01.480
<v Speaker 2>you it is horrible, Alex. It's it's a dark place.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Miken Win, who is the best one and he's

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<v Speaker 2>the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in a half and Trent Brown might be second.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Trent Brown might be the second best tackle available

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<v Speaker 2>on the market, Like Tyron Smith is available, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>either going to stay in Dallas or retire, I would think,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, then you have you're going down and

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<v Speaker 2>guy guys like Jonah Williams who are more like rehabilitation projects.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a tough it's tough sledding in the tackle

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<v Speaker 2>market right now in free agency. All right, Mark is

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<v Speaker 2>in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?

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<v Speaker 9>Hey?

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<v Speaker 1>Guys?

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<v Speaker 8>How you guys are doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>Good?

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<v Speaker 8>So got a good one here?

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<v Speaker 3>For you.

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<v Speaker 8>So I've been torn between Marvin Harrison Junior or Jaden

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<v Speaker 8>Daniels now for a while, but we're forgetting that there

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<v Speaker 8>is a beast of a tight end in this draft

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<v Speaker 8>who is a generational talent, and that's Rock Powers. And

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<v Speaker 8>we've been needing a tight end for a long time.

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<v Speaker 8>So what about moving back for spot, picking up another

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<v Speaker 8>second round pick or whatever you get for it, and

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<v Speaker 8>you can pick Rock Powers and then in the second

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<v Speaker 8>round you can pick a bow Nicks type of person.

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<v Speaker 8>You can get your tackle, and then on the third

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<v Speaker 8>round you can pick a receiver. I just figured, maybe

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<v Speaker 8>you know, we can get you know, a couple of

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<v Speaker 8>pieces by doing that. I just wanted you guys just

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<v Speaker 8>take on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for the call, Mark. So, Alex, have you

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<v Speaker 2>heard mel Kiper's name for the nine offensive prospects at

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the draft. I think he's no. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he called them the nifty nine, which I hate.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to do better. We need to do better

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<v Speaker 2>than that. But the point, you know, to Mark's call

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<v Speaker 2>here is that the consensus board that we use right now, Alex,

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<v Speaker 2>the mock Draft database consensus board, it's nine in a

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<v Speaker 2>row offensive players at the top one through nine all offense.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's ultimately so that's the consensus board.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the consensus mock. I think you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see nine offensive players unanswered. All right, well, the consensus

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<v Speaker 1>mock has seven offensive players in a row. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Turner jumps in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I wanted to talk about these guys because

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<v Speaker 2>I've I've now watched all nine of them. So you

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<v Speaker 2>have the three, you have the three quarterbacks, right, have

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<v Speaker 2>Caleb Williams, Drake May, Jayden Daniels, who we've talked about enough.

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<v Speaker 2>You have the three receivers, Marvin Harrison, Junior Malik Neighbors,

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<v Speaker 2>Roma Dunze. And then you have the two tackles. You

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<v Speaker 2>have Joe Alt and Olofashanu, and then you have brock Bowers, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And brock Bowers is the last one that I watched

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<v Speaker 2>because probably the least likely to draft a tight end.

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<v Speaker 2>But you've been talking about brock Bowers for two years,

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<v Speaker 2>which is you know, typical. But he I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 2>he's outrageous, like I don't know how else to describe it,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's he's terrific. He's as complete of a tight

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<v Speaker 2>end as I've seen in the draft in the last

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<v Speaker 2>four or five years. You know, there are other guys that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, t J. Hawkinson coming out was a really

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<v Speaker 2>good blocker. You know, he probably was as good of

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<v Speaker 2>a point of attack blocker as brock Bowers is. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought Sam Laporter was as good potentially as a receiver,

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<v Speaker 2>but the whole package of being able to block and

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<v Speaker 2>being able to impact the pass game like he does,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've ever seen it. The comp that

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<v Speaker 2>I think is probably pretty fair is George Kittle. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's exactly how he plays, not exactly the most

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<v Speaker 2>you know, quick twitch at the top of the route

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<v Speaker 2>like Laporte is, like he's not a big change of

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<v Speaker 2>direction guy, but he's extremely explosive up the seam. He's

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<v Speaker 2>really a vertical threat at the position, like he can

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<v Speaker 2>run the scene, he can run the wheel, he can

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<v Speaker 2>run a post crossing route like he can get open

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<v Speaker 2>on the vertical plane. And then he's also got an

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<v Speaker 2>unbelievable ability as a ballcarrier, like really elite, elite yat guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you add in the blocking too. That's extremely

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<v Speaker 2>valuable for an offense to have a tight end that's

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<v Speaker 2>that versatile and I have to admit watching him block

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<v Speaker 2>and watching him block with his hand in the dirt,

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<v Speaker 2>it does. It really did like hit home with me

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<v Speaker 2>that I was like, man, you know, this is so valuable.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, not to pick on Hunter Henry or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>but the Patriots haven't truly had an extra offensive lineman

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<v Speaker 2>type at blocking at the end the line of scrimmage

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<v Speaker 2>since Gronk and that just watching the Georgia offense and

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<v Speaker 2>how valuable he is as a blocking chip, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>in line, whether it's detached from the formation where he

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<v Speaker 2>can you know, block at the point of attack on

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<v Speaker 2>a screen or jet sweep or something like that. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a rare specimen. But it it just doesn't make a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of sense in terms of the positional value, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and all that type of stuff. But in terms of talent,

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<v Speaker 2>generational talent, I would say at the position, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, Evan, how many times the last few years the

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<v Speaker 1>top tight end in the draft is always annointed baby Gronk, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and remember last year, But you can't miss Michael Mayor,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't miss Michael Mayor. Excuse me, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>can't miss Michael Mayor, can't miss Michael mahyor you could,

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<v Speaker 1>you could the whole baby Gronk thing. This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is the eye. And I'm not saying he is gronk.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's gronk, but like, if you were going to give

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<v Speaker 1>anybody that title, uh, he is, I would say he's

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<v Speaker 1>the best tight end prospect definitely since Kyle Pitts. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>not forget how elite Pits was. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that was a miss evaluation. I think the Falcons just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to use them. Yeah, and I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you go back before him. To find another tight end

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<v Speaker 1>to that that level, you got to go way back,

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<v Speaker 1>like way way. I'm still scrolling here. It's been a while.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's a tremendous player. He's a tremendous all around player.

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<v Speaker 1>I think some of it goes back to what we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about with Harrison. It's just so hard to start

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<v Speaker 1>or rebuild at that position. He's more, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of guy you take when you have a

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<v Speaker 1>high first round pick because you traded for a pick

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<v Speaker 1>or your quarterback was hurt, right Like, you look at

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<v Speaker 1>like a team like the Chargers, that the Chargers, the Bears.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that that have a decent roster around, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>already going in the right direction parsonnel wise, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you add brock Bowers next to Keenan Allen next to

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Williams, like that, that becomes a real factor. So,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Mayer, I'm glad you brought brought those guys up. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Mayer, to me, the cop was always like a

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<v Speaker 2>hunter Henry. As a receiver, he's a better blocker, but

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<v Speaker 2>I just mean in terms of the receiving uh side

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<v Speaker 2>of things, where he's a really steady receiver, but he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't an explosive guy, right Like, He's not like a

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<v Speaker 2>big play type of player, whereas like Laporta was more

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<v Speaker 2>of that explosive, big play receiver, but he didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the blocking chops. So, like to keep it in perspective

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<v Speaker 2>with brock Bowers, I think that he's like a combination

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<v Speaker 2>of the two of those guys, right Like, he is

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<v Speaker 2>a receiver like Laporta, but he's a blocker like Mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is just as a really really rare blocker

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<v Speaker 2>like Washington. It's a really rare well, Donald Washington found out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Anthony Jennings told.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Anthony Jennings this year.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not fair.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, like, no nobody could block him this year,

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<v Speaker 1>like it wasn't just Darnel Washington. So give Anthony Jennings credit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fair. But yeah, I I you can't deny, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>watching these guys, you know, through the top of the

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<v Speaker 2>draft here. I feel the same way about Melik Neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Milik Neighbors is a fantastic prospect too. His ability

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just like that he's fast in a straight line,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's got that ability to gear down, which I love,

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<v Speaker 2>which like you can start at you know, first gear,

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<v Speaker 2>and then as you're running the route, you go from

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<v Speaker 2>one to six right six gear you know in a

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<v Speaker 2>car analogy here like that that allows you to really

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<v Speaker 2>vary speeds and pacing and things like that. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>you create separations. So he's one of those guys that

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<v Speaker 2>Melik Neighbors will like lull you to sleep, low you

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep, and then all of a sudden he turns

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<v Speaker 2>on the jets and nobody can come can come close

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<v Speaker 2>to reaching that type of acceleration and he's just by you.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a rare, rare talent too, that he pops

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<v Speaker 2>off the film at you with that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something I've talked about, but now that you've

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<v Speaker 1>watched these guys, I can finally ask you this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how many of these receivers in this class? How deep

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<v Speaker 1>into this class was Uintin Johnson was the first end

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<v Speaker 1>up being the first place in the draft last year?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't him?

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<v Speaker 9>Or was it z A?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't right? They all went around, Yeah, I all

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<v Speaker 1>went in a row.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to I want to say that that you're

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<v Speaker 2>I'll look it up, but keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>It was JSN is JSN at twenty? How far into

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<v Speaker 1>this class would you rank JSN? So you know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a key on Coleman guy, Right, So I would

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<v Speaker 1>just watch Brian Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't watched Brian Thomas specifically yet, but I obviously

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<v Speaker 2>saw him with when I was watching Daniels and Neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've I've watched LSU film and nat see.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched Troy Franklin. But you don't watch Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you know I watched Troy Franklin because I

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<v Speaker 2>I I I had seen some things on Twitter about

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<v Speaker 2>Troy Franklin and I kind of thought I was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>like him, and I kind of did like him, so

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted I was curious, so I jumped to him.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not curious about Brian Thomas, not.

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<v Speaker 2>As much because I feel like Brian Thomas is in

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<v Speaker 2>like a weird spot of the draft for the Patriots.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, He's in a great spot in the draft for

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots. You think I think he's gonna ate first

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<v Speaker 1>early second.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't think he's gonna last that long.

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<v Speaker 1>You think he might move on right, fair enough?

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's probably going at the I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>going early twenties at the lowest. Okay, So I would

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<v Speaker 2>say that between the big three, right and Brian Thomas,

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe we would start talking about JSN as like

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<v Speaker 2>wide receiver five in this class?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, in that category, I think, did you have him

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<v Speaker 1>as wide receiver one last year?

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<v Speaker 2>Was? Yeah? I fower? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So just to just to kind of paint the picture

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying of this class because I think people believe

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<v Speaker 1>it more when they hear it from you than when

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<v Speaker 1>they hear it from me. So you would have had

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<v Speaker 1>last year's wide receiver one as wide receiver five? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we had You want to try to place the other three.

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<v Speaker 2>For me or okay, so Quentin Johnston he would be low.

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<v Speaker 2>I would probably have Quinton Johnston.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, where would you have him compared to Keon Coleman,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's the same kind of player. Ke On Coleman

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of the top version of that player in

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<v Speaker 1>this draft.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say Keon Coleman, though, has better ball

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<v Speaker 2>skills in Quentin Johnson. That was my biggest knock on

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<v Speaker 2>Quinton Johnson was his hands and his ball skills. Like

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw here in New England. I know it

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<v Speaker 2>was raining and that was like a factor, but that

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<v Speaker 2>was not an anomaly with Quinton Johnson. His hands are horrible.

1:10:11.760 --> 1:10:14.439
<v Speaker 2>He's bad at tracking the ball. He's bad in contested

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<v Speaker 2>catching situations. Kean Coleman also has some not so great

1:10:19.040 --> 1:10:21.800
<v Speaker 2>contested catch numbers, believe it or not, but he has

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<v Speaker 2>some real crazy I mean, as you know, he has

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<v Speaker 2>some crazy highlight catches. So I'd look at oh Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can keep going here. Ad Mitchell and

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<v Speaker 1>Xavier ly Guet would be the next two guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I would say that. I'd have Quinton Johnson,

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<v Speaker 2>probably right after Ady Mitchell. I think I love Adie Mitchell.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he might be a better player than Quinton

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson because Adie Mitchell the thing that I love about him, well,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, he catches the ball better, so that

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<v Speaker 2>that's one great great, But second one is his body

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<v Speaker 2>control I think is phenomenal. Whereas like Quentin Johnson was

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<v Speaker 2>more he's an explosive guy, like he can get down

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<v Speaker 2>the field and he can, you know, build up speed.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think Adie Mitchell's body control, hands, ability to

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<v Speaker 2>work the sidelines, like all the details of his game

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<v Speaker 2>I think are better. So I probably have a guy

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<v Speaker 2>like Quentin Johnson as like wide receiver seven or eight

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<v Speaker 2>in this class.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, did you watch Leget yet? I know he'll be

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<v Speaker 1>at the Senior Bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because he's gonna be at the Senior Bowl, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'll watch him there. Yeah, I think so as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and especially if they're gonna go McVeigh offense, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>interested and his skill set. The guy that I really

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<v Speaker 2>like out of this next group though, is Jalen Polk.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Jalen Polk would be a really fun receiver

1:11:38.800 --> 1:11:40.960
<v Speaker 2>for them. Can play X, can play a little Z.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, explosive guy, runs really good routes. I really

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<v Speaker 2>like Polk a lot, and I like what.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy to say, I see a little Jacoby Myers in.

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<v Speaker 2>His game, No, I could see that. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>a little faster than Jacause, a little.

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<v Speaker 1>More explosive than I don't think he sees the field Obviously,

1:11:56.520 --> 1:11:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Jacoby was a quarterback, so that helps it. But like

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<v Speaker 1>I think in terms of guy that can consistently move

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<v Speaker 1>the chains, yeah, like I just I see him as

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<v Speaker 1>like a reliable chain moving wide receiver. But like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got I think you've referred to him as like

1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:13.599
<v Speaker 1>day two Jacoby, where like he's got a little more

1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:16.040
<v Speaker 1>pop than Jacoby did coming out where there's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more of a big play threat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. I think is

1:12:20.280 --> 1:12:22.120
<v Speaker 2>his ability to get down the field is a little

1:12:22.120 --> 1:12:25.040
<v Speaker 2>bit better than Jacoby's, right, like the vertical ability. But

1:12:25.160 --> 1:12:27.360
<v Speaker 2>he's a fun player too, And I like Roman Wilson

1:12:27.439 --> 1:12:30.760
<v Speaker 2>from Michigan too. And ye, lad McConkey is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be at the Senior Bowl. We'll see about him. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw some things about him, you know, with Brock

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<v Speaker 2>Bauers film and things like that that I liked. He's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those guys though that he's got like sneaky speed,

1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:47.880
<v Speaker 2>and he's he doesn't have any wasted movement at the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the route, which can be valuable. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>he's not a game changer, I don't think at the position.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's he's really technically sound, which I think is

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<v Speaker 2>helpful as like a wide receiver three type, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's definitely not somebody that I'm saying is like

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<v Speaker 2>a number one guy. Quickly, before we take the rest.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta ask you to place one more guy, z A. Flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you know, I love Zay.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I will.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that Zay. I'd probably put him right

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<v Speaker 2>in the area of the two Texas guys. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's really similar to Xavier Worthy. You know, they're really

1:13:23.560 --> 1:13:25.519
<v Speaker 2>similar players. I think Xavier Worthy is just a little

1:13:25.520 --> 1:13:28.800
<v Speaker 2>bit bigger than Zay is. Uh So I think that

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<v Speaker 2>helps him.

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<v Speaker 1>Somewhere around like wide receiver six, wide receivers seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's probably fair.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, just to just to point out what this

1:13:37.680 --> 1:13:40.479
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver class is. All these guys were first round

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<v Speaker 1>picks last year. Ivan has at least three of them

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<v Speaker 1>great his second round picks in this class.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jordan Adison too, Jordan Addison would be would be

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<v Speaker 2>like right in the Texas guys range, right, like, you know,

1:13:50.600 --> 1:13:54.759
<v Speaker 2>early second round type. So yeah, it's it's an incredible class.

1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:55.400
<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>And and that's i think a big part of it

1:13:57.560 --> 1:13:59.720
<v Speaker 2>that we keep on stressing is that you can get

1:13:59.760 --> 1:14:02.880
<v Speaker 2>these receivers pretty much throughout the entire I was a

1:14:02.960 --> 1:14:05.920
<v Speaker 2>top seventy five, top one hundred picks. There's gonna be

1:14:06.120 --> 1:14:07.600
<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be guys that are gonna go in this

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<v Speaker 2>class that are gonna be day one impact players. Like

1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:13.320
<v Speaker 2>that's just how good the class is. Now you have

1:14:13.360 --> 1:14:15.160
<v Speaker 2>to get the right one, which we know the Patriots

1:14:15.200 --> 1:14:18.639
<v Speaker 2>have facts them. Yeah, but in terms of the talent,

1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:21.719
<v Speaker 2>all of them are there for the taking, in terms

1:14:21.760 --> 1:14:23.840
<v Speaker 2>of you know, guys that can come on this team.

1:14:24.360 --> 1:14:25.920
<v Speaker 2>And no, it's I'm not saying that they're gonna be

1:14:25.960 --> 1:14:28.400
<v Speaker 2>a thousand yard receivers right out of the gate, But

1:14:28.760 --> 1:14:31.360
<v Speaker 2>is anybody upset about the season that Pop Douglas just had,

1:14:31.600 --> 1:14:33.640
<v Speaker 2>right Like, you know guys that that can that can

1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:36.479
<v Speaker 2>come in and make an immediate impact. And I think

1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that's a big part of it. Quickly, before we take

1:14:38.720 --> 1:14:41.400
<v Speaker 2>the more calls and get into the Senior Bowl. I

1:14:41.479 --> 1:14:44.120
<v Speaker 2>did mention Joe Alton Ola Fashane, So I watched both

1:14:44.120 --> 1:14:47.560
<v Speaker 2>of those guys. Uh, I'm not gonna lie to you,

1:14:47.640 --> 1:14:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Alex Joe Alt just like he does it for me

1:14:50.120 --> 1:14:52.680
<v Speaker 2>like that. That guy is just exactly what when I

1:14:52.800 --> 1:14:56.080
<v Speaker 2>watch tackles in the draft, I want my tackle to

1:14:56.120 --> 1:14:58.439
<v Speaker 2>play exactly like Joel. That guy is going to be

1:14:58.520 --> 1:15:01.640
<v Speaker 2>a ten year NFL franchise cornerstone. I'm telling you that

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<v Speaker 2>right now. And I say that like always with the

1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:07.680
<v Speaker 2>caveat that if injuries come into play, injuries come into play, right,

1:15:07.840 --> 1:15:10.599
<v Speaker 2>he can't predict who's gonna get hurt, right, But if

1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:12.960
<v Speaker 2>he stays healthy and he stays on the field and

1:15:13.040 --> 1:15:15.760
<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff, he is going to be

1:15:16.080 --> 1:15:19.519
<v Speaker 2>an impact type of starter. Like when we talk about

1:15:19.760 --> 1:15:22.200
<v Speaker 2>the cliches with tackles, all you draft this guy, you

1:15:22.280 --> 1:15:23.720
<v Speaker 2>plug him in, you don't worry about it for the

1:15:23.800 --> 1:15:26.400
<v Speaker 2>next ten years. I truly feel that way with Joald.

1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I think that he's that good. He's athletic, he can

1:15:29.840 --> 1:15:31.880
<v Speaker 2>move his feet, he can get out of his stance well,

1:15:32.439 --> 1:15:35.400
<v Speaker 2>he blocks on the island well and pass protection. He's

1:15:35.479 --> 1:15:38.240
<v Speaker 2>not exactly like a people mover. I wouldn't describe him

1:15:38.240 --> 1:15:41.120
<v Speaker 2>in the run game. But he does finish well. And

1:15:41.240 --> 1:15:44.040
<v Speaker 2>he's a really good positional blocker with his footwork and

1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:46.679
<v Speaker 2>his leverage and things like that. He walls off guys

1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:48.600
<v Speaker 2>like he's more of like a wall off type of

1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:50.720
<v Speaker 2>blocker than a you want turn on the film and

1:15:50.760 --> 1:15:53.000
<v Speaker 2>he's moving guys ten yards off the line of scrimmage.

1:15:53.400 --> 1:15:59.600
<v Speaker 2>But that's okay too. He's all around, just great, all around. Like,

1:15:59.640 --> 1:16:01.639
<v Speaker 2>there's not a whole lot of flaws to his game.

1:16:02.040 --> 1:16:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I thought he dominated Ohio State. Uh, and and there

1:16:05.240 --> 1:16:08.360
<v Speaker 2>those head dressers like didn't even flinch. I think the

1:16:08.520 --> 1:16:13.080
<v Speaker 2>one flaw with him on film, uh is that he

1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:15.880
<v Speaker 2>does get bull rushed a little bit sometimes. But I

1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:18.960
<v Speaker 2>think that that's more of like technique than anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

1:16:19.400 --> 1:16:23.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I think that's correctable and you'll you'll, you'll

1:16:23.800 --> 1:16:26.200
<v Speaker 2>figure out a way to fix that with him over

1:16:26.280 --> 1:16:27.000
<v Speaker 2>the course of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>He's terrific. I wasn't as I just.

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<v Speaker 1>Real quick, I'd say again to everybody you know, says,

1:16:34.800 --> 1:16:36.599
<v Speaker 1>how could you when we do just when we take

1:16:36.640 --> 1:16:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the quarterback out of it and do just tackle receiver,

1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:41.439
<v Speaker 1>how can you not take Marvin Harrison dreams a generational

1:16:41.479 --> 1:16:44.439
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver prospect. He's that, you know that Joe Alt's that,

1:16:44.600 --> 1:16:46.400
<v Speaker 1>but a tackle. Yeah, I don't know if you would agree,

1:16:46.439 --> 1:16:47.760
<v Speaker 1>but that's how I feel like. I did you hear

1:16:47.800 --> 1:16:50.960
<v Speaker 1>about the hype down down to UH, because I know

1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people like to point to, uh, Marvin

1:16:53.920 --> 1:16:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Harrison's pedigree there Joealt's dad. It was also a great

1:16:58.400 --> 1:17:00.640
<v Speaker 1>NFL player. John Alt was attacked for the Chiefs for

1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:03.519
<v Speaker 1>I think like ten years. Twelve years was a multi

1:17:03.600 --> 1:17:06.960
<v Speaker 1>time All Pro. So, I mean you're literally talking about

1:17:07.040 --> 1:17:10.599
<v Speaker 1>like the same makeup, just you know, say in terms

1:17:10.640 --> 1:17:14.000
<v Speaker 1>of the scouting report, where you know, highly technically skilled,

1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:16.479
<v Speaker 1>great bill, the athletic like all of it, the background,

1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:20.320
<v Speaker 1>the pedigree coming from a big school, there's a lot

1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:22.479
<v Speaker 1>of overlap between all Marvin Harrison junior.

1:17:22.800 --> 1:17:27.240
<v Speaker 2>When you watch offensive lineman, especially guys like that like

1:17:27.320 --> 1:17:30.479
<v Speaker 2>Joe All, first round, top ten type of guys. Yeah,

1:17:30.880 --> 1:17:33.160
<v Speaker 2>when you watch a guy like Joe Alt, I know

1:17:33.280 --> 1:17:35.680
<v Speaker 2>he plays left tackle for Notre Dame, But if I

1:17:35.800 --> 1:17:38.360
<v Speaker 2>didn't know what position he played and who he was

1:17:38.439 --> 1:17:40.519
<v Speaker 2>and what number he wore, I'd still be able to

1:17:40.560 --> 1:17:42.360
<v Speaker 2>point him out right like I'd still be able to

1:17:42.400 --> 1:17:44.439
<v Speaker 2>turn on the film and be like, that's probably the

1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:47.920
<v Speaker 2>guy I'm supposed to be watching, right because he's just

1:17:48.600 --> 1:17:51.599
<v Speaker 2>he's that good, that he stands out above the rest

1:17:51.800 --> 1:17:55.840
<v Speaker 2>of his peers that much. And I think the biggest

1:17:55.880 --> 1:17:59.280
<v Speaker 2>thing with him again is that he's a total He's

1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:01.760
<v Speaker 2>a total package. He can pass block, he can run block.

1:18:01.960 --> 1:18:05.439
<v Speaker 2>He's got size, like, there's no there's no question physically

1:18:05.520 --> 1:18:08.080
<v Speaker 2>with his game, like, he's got length, he's got good

1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:11.000
<v Speaker 2>hand placement, good hand strength, he's got good feet, good

1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:11.479
<v Speaker 2>foot speed.

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<v Speaker 1>Athletics say he's young too, He's only twenty, so he's got,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, still room to grow and fill out.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, look, I know that I'm gonna be the

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<v Speaker 2>only one that's excited if they take him. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that that's all right. I'm willing to be the only one.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember in October somebody called in about a Q

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<v Speaker 1>take I had on another show saying I'd rather have

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<v Speaker 1>Alton Marvin Harrison all confused.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm okay with being the only one. And when

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<v Speaker 2>he comes, when we do the introductory press conference out

1:18:38.040 --> 1:18:39.640
<v Speaker 2>on the field, and then we get to talk to

1:18:39.760 --> 1:18:43.600
<v Speaker 2>him for ten minutes on unfiltered. Usually afterwards, there was

1:18:43.760 --> 1:18:46.280
<v Speaker 2>a running joke. I don't know if we publish like

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<v Speaker 2>the way I was looking at Christian Gonzales last year,

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<v Speaker 2>like a you know, very very pleased person, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would be looking at Joe Walt the same way. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, hell, yes, this is this is exactly what

1:18:57.720 --> 1:19:01.280
<v Speaker 2>they need. Ola Fashan, who's got a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>going for him as well, I wasn't as impressed. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's a specimen, like a physical specimen. Like you

1:19:07.640 --> 1:19:10.280
<v Speaker 2>can see that he's in great shape, and he's built

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<v Speaker 2>very well, long arms, long limbs, you know, barrel chested,

1:19:14.600 --> 1:19:17.000
<v Speaker 2>he's chiseled, he's a he's a he's an athlete, and

1:19:17.120 --> 1:19:19.800
<v Speaker 2>you can tell that right off the bat. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think he's quite as refined in terms of like his

1:19:23.280 --> 1:19:27.200
<v Speaker 2>hand placement, is usage of his hands, his footwork, you know,

1:19:27.400 --> 1:19:30.080
<v Speaker 2>those types of things as Joe Alt is. But in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of upside, I can understand why some people might

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<v Speaker 2>have him a little bit higher than all just because

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<v Speaker 2>of his athleticism, and you know, he's quick out of

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<v Speaker 2>his stance. He can move in mirror guys and pass

1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:46.040
<v Speaker 2>rough situations. He's really good inside hand to counter right

1:19:46.080 --> 1:19:48.960
<v Speaker 2>when guys try to spin up or move inside on him,

1:19:49.400 --> 1:19:51.920
<v Speaker 2>He's good at that. The Ohio State film was like

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<v Speaker 2>the big one with him that everybody's like, Oh, it's horrible,

1:19:54.520 --> 1:19:57.160
<v Speaker 2>you know. I didn't think it was quite as bad

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<v Speaker 2>as as some people made it out to. But there

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<v Speaker 2>were some reps there certainly that he lost his technique.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's the reason why I would have Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Alt ahead of him. I think Joeald consistently gets the

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<v Speaker 2>job done, whereas Uhano has some lapses in technique every

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<v Speaker 2>once in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Fashana reminds me of we did a lot obviously last

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<v Speaker 1>year on Broderick Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For Shanda reminds me a lot of a like more

1:20:21.479 --> 1:20:25.280
<v Speaker 1>developed Broderick Jones, like a Top ten Because Broderick Jones

1:20:25.320 --> 1:20:27.680
<v Speaker 1>retired his game was raw. His game was raw, and

1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:30.439
<v Speaker 1>and he hadn't been playing the position as much. For

1:20:30.520 --> 1:20:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Shana was many many more STAPs under his belt in

1:20:32.600 --> 1:20:35.439
<v Speaker 1>the shows, and it should. Yeah, so I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a top ten version of the player Broderck Jones was,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good comp that's a good cop. The the

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Alt comp is tough because of his size, right,

1:20:44.640 --> 1:20:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Like I think he plans you know who it is,

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<v Speaker 2>who is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>He's bigger than Joe Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but Joe Thomas was like fifteen years ago. Guys,

1:20:52.920 --> 1:20:54.360
<v Speaker 1>weren't that big fifteen years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>That's fair. Yeah, I don't know.

1:20:56.479 --> 1:20:59.000
<v Speaker 1>That's again at I've said this before. There's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of hyperbole here.

1:21:00.080 --> 1:21:03.080
<v Speaker 2>It's not that I have a tough time putting people

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<v Speaker 2>in Joe Thomas's I do too, but that's like, oh, yeah,

1:21:08.040 --> 1:21:10.240
<v Speaker 2>you're just gonna be you know, the best tackle of

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<v Speaker 2>all time.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's a ceiling camp. But when uh,

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<v Speaker 1>when we started doing this, the the alt versus Marvin

1:21:18.080 --> 1:21:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Junior thing that the slightly the kind of mostly

1:21:21.240 --> 1:21:24.639
<v Speaker 1>hyperbolic but not entirely hyperbolic question is starting a team

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<v Speaker 1>you get to add one player at the beginning of

1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:29.040
<v Speaker 1>their career, Joe Thomas or Calvin Johnson, who are you adding?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you you know, I'm going It depends on your

1:21:34.120 --> 1:21:40.000
<v Speaker 2>situation though, right, like starting team, starting a team from scratch, Yeah, I'm.

1:21:39.880 --> 1:21:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Starting an offense from scratch, because that's more or less

1:21:42.240 --> 1:21:42.920
<v Speaker 1>what the Patriots are doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going Joe Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that right there?

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<v Speaker 9>You go like I.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's great about it is when people say, oh,

1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:52.720
<v Speaker 1>you're signing attack, you're adding a tackle. What does a

1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:54.640
<v Speaker 1>tackle do? Or oh you're adding a receiver, what does

1:21:54.680 --> 1:21:57.720
<v Speaker 1>a receiver do? Neither of those guys won anything, which

1:21:57.760 --> 1:21:59.559
<v Speaker 1>is why the argument always comes back to quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get back into the calls here. Miko

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<v Speaker 2>is in Philly. What's up, Miko?

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, So, going back to the coaching side, back when

1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:11.639
<v Speaker 6>we were exploring if Celtic was to day, I think

1:22:11.640 --> 1:22:14.000
<v Speaker 6>one of the conditions we talked about was essentially appointing

1:22:14.520 --> 1:22:17.240
<v Speaker 6>Phil O'Brien as the head coach of the offense with

1:22:17.439 --> 1:22:20.679
<v Speaker 6>a lot of sway over personnel decisions. So fast forward

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<v Speaker 6>to now, with Mayo coming from the defensive side of

1:22:22.960 --> 1:22:26.360
<v Speaker 6>the ball, is that head coach of the offense responsibility

1:22:26.640 --> 1:22:30.760
<v Speaker 6>build a pitch to offensive coordinator or candidates with far

1:22:30.880 --> 1:22:34.120
<v Speaker 6>less experience than Bill O'Brian like Hayley or Robinson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for the call of Mika. I'm sorry about

1:22:36.680 --> 1:22:39.040
<v Speaker 2>the phone line. That's not you, that's us. Yeah, that's

1:22:39.200 --> 1:22:41.479
<v Speaker 2>that's a fair point. Alex, you know, are you going

1:22:41.560 --> 1:22:44.599
<v Speaker 2>to trust a first time offensive coordinator to start making

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<v Speaker 2>personnel decisions and things like that. More than a fair point.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was more when we talked about that,

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<v Speaker 1>that was more something that candidates were pitching to the Patriots, yeah,

1:22:55.200 --> 1:22:57.599
<v Speaker 1>than than the Patriots. The pitcher can't. It's a candidate

1:22:57.680 --> 1:23:00.240
<v Speaker 1>coming in and saying, hey, look I have this experience. See,

1:23:00.400 --> 1:23:02.519
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't so much the Patriot saying here's this opportunity

1:23:02.600 --> 1:23:04.679
<v Speaker 1>for you. It was an experienced Canada coming in and saying,

1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:06.800
<v Speaker 1>this is what I add that some of these younger guys,

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<v Speaker 1>some of these inexperienced guys don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think that that's when they start getting into

1:23:11.760 --> 1:23:13.760
<v Speaker 2>the in person because Drod Mayo is on EI the

1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:17.240
<v Speaker 2>other day and he mentioned, you know, first virtual interviews.

1:23:17.280 --> 1:23:19.759
<v Speaker 2>First round is just kind of like your standard boiler

1:23:19.840 --> 1:23:22.519
<v Speaker 2>played interview, getting to know the guy, you know, getting

1:23:22.560 --> 1:23:23.960
<v Speaker 2>to know his background, things like that.

1:23:24.200 --> 1:23:25.360
<v Speaker 1>You see yourself in five years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The second round, when they get them here in

1:23:28.240 --> 1:23:31.160
<v Speaker 2>person is when you start putting them up on the whiteboard, right, Like,

1:23:31.240 --> 1:23:33.160
<v Speaker 2>that's when you start to really get into the x's

1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and o's and how it would look if I'm the Patriots. Like,

1:23:36.080 --> 1:23:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling these guys to come in with with their

1:23:38.000 --> 1:23:42.599
<v Speaker 2>homework done, and I'm saying Drake May, Jade and Daniels,

1:23:42.680 --> 1:23:45.160
<v Speaker 2>and maybe I throw just like a Penix or Nicks

1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:47.800
<v Speaker 2>at them too, just to you know, say, cover all

1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:49.760
<v Speaker 2>of our bases of how this could go right?

1:23:50.000 --> 1:23:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Right, Day two guy, your favorite Day two guys, how.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your plan? Right? Like, what if we draft Jaden

1:23:54.680 --> 1:23:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Daniels in April, what's the offense going to look like?

1:23:58.040 --> 1:24:00.519
<v Speaker 2>If we draft Drake May and April, what the offense

1:24:00.600 --> 1:24:03.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna look like? That's how I would pick their brains.

1:24:03.520 --> 1:24:06.360
<v Speaker 2>That's how I would go about it. And you gotta

1:24:06.479 --> 1:24:08.559
<v Speaker 2>like their pitch, right, you gotta like what they're gonna

1:24:08.560 --> 1:24:11.320
<v Speaker 2>do with it. And then maybe if you do and

1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:14.960
<v Speaker 2>you like you say, oh wow, like that he's really

1:24:15.080 --> 1:24:17.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, Jade and Daniels, that's a perfect We love

1:24:17.280 --> 1:24:19.479
<v Speaker 2>that idea, right, like we love all these ideas. We

1:24:19.560 --> 1:24:21.920
<v Speaker 2>love what he's thinking, all that kind of stuff. Then

1:24:22.000 --> 1:24:24.360
<v Speaker 2>you can sort of get into the report of like, well, okay,

1:24:24.400 --> 1:24:26.680
<v Speaker 2>well why do you like Jaden Daniels versus Drake May

1:24:26.800 --> 1:24:27.360
<v Speaker 2>versus whoever?

1:24:27.520 --> 1:24:27.720
<v Speaker 1>You know?

1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:30.560
<v Speaker 2>So I agree, I think that you have to be

1:24:30.680 --> 1:24:34.680
<v Speaker 2>careful about giving too much personnel power to an inexperienced coordinator.

1:24:35.920 --> 1:24:38.000
<v Speaker 2>D C is in New Hampshire. What's up these up?

1:24:38.120 --> 1:24:39.920
<v Speaker 2>We left him on hole too long? I thought that

1:24:40.000 --> 1:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>might happen. Alex is in Atlanta. What's up, Alex?

1:24:45.720 --> 1:24:46.240
<v Speaker 1>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Go ahead?

1:24:49.040 --> 1:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 9>Oh well anyway, our first thing I want to say, Man,

1:24:53.080 --> 1:24:55.400
<v Speaker 9>y'all do amazing job. So thank you' all for that. Man,

1:24:55.479 --> 1:24:58.240
<v Speaker 9>it's all season so far. You know, I'm loving it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I just kind of I just kind of got

1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:04.360
<v Speaker 9>got on. I don't know if y'all have talked about it,

1:25:04.520 --> 1:25:08.439
<v Speaker 9>but it's a receiver that I like, honestly, ke On Coleman.

1:25:08.479 --> 1:25:09.960
<v Speaker 9>I don't know how y'all feel about them. Like I

1:25:10.040 --> 1:25:13.760
<v Speaker 9>said again, I just joined in, But how do y'all

1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:16.559
<v Speaker 9>feel about him? And that's that's that's the only question

1:25:16.640 --> 1:25:18.240
<v Speaker 9>I had. But thank y'all so much.

1:25:18.400 --> 1:25:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Alex, thanks for the call. So I'm not a

1:25:20.760 --> 1:25:23.720
<v Speaker 2>big key on Coleman guy, but I will admit that

1:25:24.240 --> 1:25:26.320
<v Speaker 2>maybe my mind is a little bit, a little bit

1:25:26.760 --> 1:25:31.800
<v Speaker 2>scarred by Nikhil Harry Alex Right, Like I I when

1:25:31.840 --> 1:25:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I look at receivers, that don't separate well at the

1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:37.639
<v Speaker 2>top of the route, and a lot of the highlights

1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:41.360
<v Speaker 2>that I see of them, And obviously highlights is not everything,

1:25:41.439 --> 1:25:43.919
<v Speaker 2>like you need to watch the actual film, but highlights

1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I think are are sometimes can be important, especially with receivers.

1:25:47.920 --> 1:25:50.439
<v Speaker 2>It's the one time where I would say that I

1:25:50.640 --> 1:25:53.200
<v Speaker 2>do actually watch some highlight reels of guys, because you

1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:55.160
<v Speaker 2>want to see how they win, right, Like what are

1:25:55.280 --> 1:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>like the big plays that they make and how do

1:25:57.080 --> 1:25:59.280
<v Speaker 2>they make them? And when you see a lot of

1:25:59.280 --> 1:26:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the highlights of Keon Coleman, it's like these one handed catches.

1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:06.719
<v Speaker 2>He's acrobatic catches just great, but it's not a whole

1:26:06.800 --> 1:26:09.320
<v Speaker 2>lot of like he wins at the top of the route,

1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:11.479
<v Speaker 2>runs away from the coverage and he's off right, Like

1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>you don't see a ton of that. And his statistically,

1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:18.719
<v Speaker 2>his profile is not very good. He didn't actually produce

1:26:18.760 --> 1:26:21.280
<v Speaker 2>all that much in last year, right, I think he

1:26:21.360 --> 1:26:23.720
<v Speaker 2>had like six hundred seven hundred yards receiving.

1:26:24.000 --> 1:26:26.400
<v Speaker 1>And uh, his contention, he's a red zone guy.

1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:30.360
<v Speaker 2>His contested catch numbers though he's only catching like thirty

1:26:30.479 --> 1:26:33.840
<v Speaker 2>three thirty four percent of his contested targets, Like for uh,

1:26:34.240 --> 1:26:38.120
<v Speaker 2>comparison's sake, Roma Dunsay, want to guess how many of

1:26:38.520 --> 1:26:39.280
<v Speaker 2>his contested cards.

1:26:39.439 --> 1:26:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's that's got to be up over like sixty sixty.

1:26:41.760 --> 1:26:43.599
<v Speaker 2>Five percent, seventy five percent.

1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude's awesome.

1:26:45.160 --> 1:26:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Romadud throwing a jump out of rum Madunzay, you have

1:26:48.439 --> 1:26:51.080
<v Speaker 2>a seventy five percent chance of him catching the ball.

1:26:51.200 --> 1:26:54.040
<v Speaker 1>You know why because his catch radius is that is.

1:26:54.400 --> 1:26:59.040
<v Speaker 2>That is absurd, absolutely absurd. So I I look at

1:26:59.120 --> 1:27:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Keon Coleman, and I have a little bit of cold feet.

1:27:01.080 --> 1:27:01.519
<v Speaker 2>How about you?

1:27:02.880 --> 1:27:05.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean I like Keon Coleman definitely more than you.

1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a ton of value in that skill set.

1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:10.479
<v Speaker 1>I think for the Patriots, you're probably well, I guess

1:27:10.520 --> 1:27:12.640
<v Speaker 1>what offensive system are you running? I'm so in the

1:27:12.680 --> 1:27:15.400
<v Speaker 1>default of like, they need more speed in athleticism, and

1:27:15.960 --> 1:27:19.640
<v Speaker 1>that's not where Coleman wins. But if they're gonna do

1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the McVeigh thing where they need these big physical receivers,

1:27:23.200 --> 1:27:25.360
<v Speaker 1>that's a fair ke Coleman's going to be the guy

1:27:25.439 --> 1:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>you talk about. Now. I wouldn't be afraid if that's

1:27:28.120 --> 1:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the kind of receiver you want, you want to use

1:27:30.000 --> 1:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>that pick elsewhere you go A little further down the board,

1:27:33.280 --> 1:27:36.880
<v Speaker 1>you look at his teammate Johnny Wilson. Johnny Wilson six ' seven,

1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:39.840
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and thirty five pounds and was reportedly running

1:27:39.880 --> 1:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>four for US in high school. If he does that

1:27:42.120 --> 1:27:45.120
<v Speaker 1>at the combine, I mean, this guy's basically remember Zach

1:27:45.160 --> 1:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Kunz last year. Cons That's that's kind of what you're

1:27:48.080 --> 1:27:50.720
<v Speaker 1>looking at with Johnny Wilson. If he's really six seven,

1:27:50.760 --> 1:27:53.439
<v Speaker 1>two thirty five and running four to four, it becomes

1:27:54.520 --> 1:27:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Dwan Jones Jarik wooland it's he's gonna be my guy

1:27:58.520 --> 1:28:01.560
<v Speaker 1>this year. That it's it's gonna look too good to

1:28:01.600 --> 1:28:03.760
<v Speaker 1>be true, but it is. Now. Johnny Wilson's hands aren't great,

1:28:04.960 --> 1:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>and this is you're probably gonna camp him to Quentin Johnston. Yeah,

1:28:07.840 --> 1:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>but if you can get if you get a good

1:28:09.800 --> 1:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>wide receivers coach who can work on him with that.

1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>And the thing about Johnny Wilson, his hands are actually

1:28:14.360 --> 1:28:16.960
<v Speaker 1>really good and contested catch situations. It's just when he's open.

1:28:17.600 --> 1:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>So as much as that sounds annoying, it's also more fixable.

1:28:21.360 --> 1:28:24.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying he's gonna solve all your wide receiver problems,

1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, just like that, you'd still need to go

1:28:26.120 --> 1:28:28.360
<v Speaker 1>out and get Michael Pittman or somebody. But if you

1:28:28.400 --> 1:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>want to invest in a project, guy uh late on

1:28:31.680 --> 1:28:34.679
<v Speaker 1>day two and you want that kind of jump ball

1:28:35.160 --> 1:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>physical specimen, great size, wide receiver. I think Johnny Wilson's

1:28:39.080 --> 1:28:41.120
<v Speaker 1>upside is tremendous. Now his floor is not quite what

1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>it is with some other guys, and that's a risk

1:28:43.240 --> 1:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>that's going to scare people off, and I understand that.

1:28:45.080 --> 1:28:47.439
<v Speaker 1>But his his ceiling is unreal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

1:28:49.720 --> 1:28:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I think he'll be I think he's at the Senior Bowl,

1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that. You know, I need to give

1:28:54.479 --> 1:28:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Keon Coleman another watch because I know a lot of

1:28:56.640 --> 1:28:59.800
<v Speaker 2>people do really like him, and I just I'm gonna

1:29:00.160 --> 1:29:04.200
<v Speaker 2>there's certain guys that I just think of Patriot Bus

1:29:04.520 --> 1:29:07.240
<v Speaker 2>in the past, right, Like you know, I've talked about

1:29:07.240 --> 1:29:09.320
<v Speaker 2>this with the quarterbacks ales, Like every time I watch

1:29:09.360 --> 1:29:11.519
<v Speaker 2>a quarterback now, I'm like, why is he not Mac Jones?

1:29:11.960 --> 1:29:12.120
<v Speaker 7>Right?

1:29:12.439 --> 1:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Like what about him is just different from Mac that

1:29:15.000 --> 1:29:16.599
<v Speaker 2>I can be like, all right, this is not gonna

1:29:16.640 --> 1:29:19.960
<v Speaker 2>go horribly wrong this time around. And I feel the

1:29:20.040 --> 1:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>same way about guy like Kean Coleman to Nikhil Harry

1:29:23.120 --> 1:29:24.960
<v Speaker 2>to some of their other you know misses, and that

1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:28.840
<v Speaker 2>that type of mold in the past. All Right, Nate

1:29:28.920 --> 1:29:36.400
<v Speaker 2>is in Ohio. What's up, Nate? Nate? Nate going once?

1:29:38.280 --> 1:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, Nate, you can call back and we'll get

1:29:39.920 --> 1:29:42.320
<v Speaker 2>you on the air. Matt is in Virginia. What's up, Matt?

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, guys, the.

1:29:46.040 --> 1:29:49.600
<v Speaker 3>First time caller, longtime listener. I've been listening since the

1:29:49.680 --> 1:29:52.519
<v Speaker 3>early Beat days, and I gotta say I love, love,

1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:53.360
<v Speaker 3>love your content.

1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Thanks, thank you, appreciate that you guys.

1:29:57.080 --> 1:30:01.639
<v Speaker 3>Had mentioned earlier maybe looking into the tackle trade market,

1:30:02.160 --> 1:30:05.439
<v Speaker 3>maybe getting yourself a veteran. What kind of options would

1:30:05.520 --> 1:30:08.960
<v Speaker 3>you say would be out there for the Patriots realistically.

1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:12.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good question, Matt. I'll admit I haven't

1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for the call. I haven't dug deep into like

1:30:16.320 --> 1:30:21.320
<v Speaker 2>the veteran market so much yet, Alex. But I feel

1:30:21.360 --> 1:30:24.240
<v Speaker 2>like there's always there's always guys that come out of

1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:26.080
<v Speaker 2>the woodwork. Do you have anybody on your mind? There's

1:30:26.080 --> 1:30:27.439
<v Speaker 2>one that I have, but I want to make sure

1:30:27.479 --> 1:30:28.479
<v Speaker 2>I get the situation right.

1:30:29.880 --> 1:30:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I honestly think the trademark is more going with the

1:30:32.160 --> 1:30:35.280
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver, just because there's such a tackle shortage on tackles,

1:30:35.680 --> 1:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>getting anybody that's worth trading for is going to be

1:30:38.840 --> 1:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>just monumentally expensive.

1:30:40.920 --> 1:30:46.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so our our guy, Dwan Jones is uh so

1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:48.720
<v Speaker 2>think no, no, no, I don't think that he's going

1:30:48.760 --> 1:30:52.040
<v Speaker 2>to be available. He went to the Browns, right, am,

1:30:52.080 --> 1:30:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I like spacing here for some reason he did.

1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>He's if he's not on the rust. I think he

1:30:55.960 --> 1:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>got put on IR late in the year.

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<v Speaker 2>So Dewan Jones goes to the Browns and the Browns

1:31:01.280 --> 1:31:04.519
<v Speaker 2>have two Yeah, yeah, I got this right. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why.

1:31:04.800 --> 1:31:06.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, he's definitely on the Browns.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I know, I know.

1:31:07.760 --> 1:31:11.960
<v Speaker 2>But Jack Conklin on the Browns their right tackle, veteran

1:31:12.080 --> 1:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>right tackle, good player in the league. So they have

1:31:15.000 --> 1:31:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Jedrick Willis, who's they're starting left tackle, is one of

1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:18.720
<v Speaker 2>the best in the league right, so he's gonna stay

1:31:18.720 --> 1:31:22.360
<v Speaker 2>over there. Dwan Jones is probably in line to take

1:31:22.400 --> 1:31:25.559
<v Speaker 2>over for Jack Conklin at right tackle right going into

1:31:25.640 --> 1:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>next year. That that could be a situation where Jack

1:31:28.439 --> 1:31:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Conklin is like a you know, a lamb duck type

1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:35.519
<v Speaker 2>of asset. You know, it's just somebody that is somebody

1:31:35.560 --> 1:31:38.080
<v Speaker 2>that they don't need to pay anymore. So if I

1:31:38.400 --> 1:31:40.880
<v Speaker 2>there's one guy that I would look at in terms

1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>of being available in the veteran market at tackle, it

1:31:43.640 --> 1:31:45.760
<v Speaker 2>would be called in Cleveland because Cleveland has embarrassment of

1:31:45.880 --> 1:31:48.360
<v Speaker 2>riches on the offensive line and they have one of

1:31:48.400 --> 1:31:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the best offensive line coaches in football. I don't know

1:31:50.840 --> 1:31:53.080
<v Speaker 2>if he's going to follow his son to Tennessee, but

1:31:53.200 --> 1:31:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Bill Callahan coaches their offensive line. Who's Brian Callahan's father,

1:31:57.080 --> 1:31:59.840
<v Speaker 2>So there's a chance that he might follow his you know,

1:32:00.080 --> 1:32:02.400
<v Speaker 2>go go coach the line for his son. We'll see.

1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>But I would call the Browns. They have like sixteen tackles,

1:32:06.320 --> 1:32:08.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, they one of those guys might be available.

1:32:09.160 --> 1:32:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe a guy like Conklin.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, he's got a pretty minute I'm just looking

1:32:12.800 --> 1:32:14.599
<v Speaker 1>at now. He's got a pretty manageable contract too. He's

1:32:14.600 --> 1:32:17.560
<v Speaker 1>signed through twenty six. Cap hit this year would be

1:32:17.560 --> 1:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>twelve million, jumps up to nineteen the next two, and

1:32:19.760 --> 1:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>then he's got two void years on the end of

1:32:21.320 --> 1:32:23.759
<v Speaker 1>his deal. But they're pretty they're pretty minimal.

1:32:24.000 --> 1:32:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I know, you know, the Browns because mostly because of

1:32:26.720 --> 1:32:31.040
<v Speaker 2>the Deshaun Watson contract, the Browns are have an extremely

1:32:31.160 --> 1:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>high payroll, like they're one of the highest in terms

1:32:34.800 --> 1:32:37.759
<v Speaker 2>of actual you know, the Felger right, the real cash spending,

1:32:38.479 --> 1:32:42.080
<v Speaker 2>and they might be looking to make some cuts, you know,

1:32:42.479 --> 1:32:45.719
<v Speaker 2>the guys that they don't necessarily need, like a Jack Conklin.

1:32:45.840 --> 1:32:48.639
<v Speaker 2>It could become available. All right, before we get into

1:32:48.680 --> 1:32:50.280
<v Speaker 2>the Senior Bowl, which we are going to do for

1:32:50.320 --> 1:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>the next thirty twenty to thirty minutes here to end

1:32:53.240 --> 1:32:55.759
<v Speaker 2>the show, I really quickly want to talk about Kellen

1:32:55.800 --> 1:33:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Moore and you know, the big news in the football

1:33:00.000 --> 1:33:03.280
<v Speaker 2>where the last twenty four hours was Jim Harbaugh right

1:33:03.400 --> 1:33:07.439
<v Speaker 2>going to the Chargers. Jim Harbaugh is more than likely

1:33:08.080 --> 1:33:11.519
<v Speaker 2>going to have his own staff, and Jim Harbor's an

1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:14.000
<v Speaker 2>offensive guy. He's a quarterback guy, but he's most likely

1:33:14.000 --> 1:33:17.000
<v Speaker 2>going to have his own offensive staff. And the Browns

1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:19.800
<v Speaker 2>have put in a request now to interview Kellen Moore

1:33:20.000 --> 1:33:23.799
<v Speaker 2>Alex for their offensive coordinator position, and he got blocked.

1:33:24.400 --> 1:33:26.360
<v Speaker 2>There's another team that wanted to interview him earlier in

1:33:26.439 --> 1:33:29.599
<v Speaker 2>the process and the Chargers hadn't settled on a head

1:33:29.640 --> 1:33:32.040
<v Speaker 2>coach yet, so they blocked the interview. But now it

1:33:32.120 --> 1:33:35.080
<v Speaker 2>sounds like they're going to allow Kellen Moore to start

1:33:35.120 --> 1:33:39.040
<v Speaker 2>interviewing places. I put out last night on Twitter that

1:33:39.240 --> 1:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>my mind immediately goes to Kellen Moore and what is

1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:45.639
<v Speaker 2>going to happen with him? When Jim Harbaugh's news was announced,

1:33:45.800 --> 1:33:47.439
<v Speaker 2>and I got all sorts of push back on Twitter,

1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Why would you want Kellen Moore? Why would you want

1:33:49.280 --> 1:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Kellen Moore? Alex? Would you want Kellen Moore? Yes or no?

1:33:52.880 --> 1:33:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I don't know that he'd be my top choice,

1:33:54.720 --> 1:33:56.880
<v Speaker 1>but I mean I'd be very happy if they hired him.

1:33:57.160 --> 1:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>He'd definitely be up there for me. I think he

1:34:00.360 --> 1:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I like the offenses he designs. I think they're very layered.

1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that they're not easy to defend. And I

1:34:06.640 --> 1:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>think he has a good understanding the quarterback position. And

1:34:09.240 --> 1:34:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I think that he does a good job working with quarterbacks.

1:34:11.280 --> 1:34:14.240
<v Speaker 1>So those are two massive boxes that are checked. I also,

1:34:15.000 --> 1:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like in my mind he'd be a

1:34:17.680 --> 1:34:19.479
<v Speaker 1>flight risk because I think he's somebody who should be

1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:22.040
<v Speaker 1>close close to being a head coach, But it doesn't

1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>seem like the league feels that way. Yeah, So I

1:34:26.040 --> 1:34:27.400
<v Speaker 1>mean he'll get his chance. If he comes here and

1:34:27.439 --> 1:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>he's good, he'll get his chance, but maybe get two

1:34:29.080 --> 1:34:30.920
<v Speaker 1>years with him instead of one or something like that, right,

1:34:30.960 --> 1:34:33.600
<v Speaker 1>if it works out so and then obviously there's the

1:34:33.600 --> 1:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>element of if they draft Michael Pennix, which I don't

1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>think they will, but lefty quarterback because Moore was a

1:34:39.600 --> 1:34:42.479
<v Speaker 1>lefty played in the league for a lefty quarterback. But no,

1:34:42.840 --> 1:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I've always liked Kellen Moore. I think he's, you know,

1:34:46.080 --> 1:34:48.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the more understated offensive minds in the game,

1:34:48.960 --> 1:34:52.160
<v Speaker 1>and they would I think his offenses would be fun

1:34:52.200 --> 1:34:53.360
<v Speaker 1>to watch. And I think if you get the right

1:34:53.360 --> 1:34:55.599
<v Speaker 1>pieces in place, I mean I think, I know, we've

1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:57.760
<v Speaker 1>seen it, they can be effective. I know he never

1:34:57.840 --> 1:35:00.360
<v Speaker 1>really won anything in terms of the postseason, but look

1:35:00.400 --> 1:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>who he was working for, right, I think if you

1:35:04.280 --> 1:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>you give him a defense like he'd have here and

1:35:06.200 --> 1:35:07.439
<v Speaker 1>that that changes a lot of things.

1:35:07.680 --> 1:35:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's funny because when the Charters came here, I

1:35:11.600 --> 1:35:14.400
<v Speaker 2>had written in my game preview that I had an

1:35:14.439 --> 1:35:18.280
<v Speaker 2>eye on Kellen Moore because if the Patriots are actually

1:35:18.360 --> 1:35:20.160
<v Speaker 2>I had my eye on him as potentially a head

1:35:20.200 --> 1:35:24.280
<v Speaker 2>coach candidate. Right, like crazy, how far we've come. But

1:35:24.520 --> 1:35:26.439
<v Speaker 2>I feel like with Kellen Moore, the thing that I

1:35:26.720 --> 1:35:30.200
<v Speaker 2>that I really liked. You know about his offense is

1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:32.800
<v Speaker 2>that it is West Coast based. You know, he comes

1:35:32.840 --> 1:35:35.240
<v Speaker 2>from the Mike McCarthy tree, and and you know he

1:35:35.360 --> 1:35:38.839
<v Speaker 2>does some some West Coast things, but it's pretty multiple

1:35:38.960 --> 1:35:41.120
<v Speaker 2>game to game, like, he's a pretty good game plan coach,

1:35:41.600 --> 1:35:46.520
<v Speaker 2>and there's always some wrinkles in there, not necessarily.

1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Like you got to remember what his background is as

1:35:47.920 --> 1:35:50.439
<v Speaker 1>a player coming from Boise State, right, I think he

1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:54.519
<v Speaker 1>incorporates he blends the two very well. Which when I

1:35:54.560 --> 1:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>say it's multiple, like, there's not a ton of things

1:35:58.320 --> 1:36:00.400
<v Speaker 1>in the big picture over the course was season that

1:36:00.520 --> 1:36:02.040
<v Speaker 1>you just can kind of sit on.

1:36:02.760 --> 1:36:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I look at him and, uh, he does

1:36:06.200 --> 1:36:09.400
<v Speaker 2>have some tricks up asleep, But I I more look

1:36:09.439 --> 1:36:11.920
<v Speaker 2>at his his base offense as a pretty stable and

1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:16.320
<v Speaker 2>consistent and like, you know, just schematically sound type of offense.

1:36:16.439 --> 1:36:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Is it as innovative and as creative as like a

1:36:20.360 --> 1:36:25.879
<v Speaker 2>McVeigh Shanahan. No, it's definitely more in the in the Patriot,

1:36:26.240 --> 1:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, ep old school West Coast type of system

1:36:30.000 --> 1:36:33.960
<v Speaker 2>that's more about formations and matchups and fundamentals and like

1:36:34.080 --> 1:36:36.560
<v Speaker 2>that type of stuff. But I I do like a

1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:39.439
<v Speaker 2>lot of the things that that he brings to the table.

1:36:39.840 --> 1:36:42.519
<v Speaker 2>And he's a quarterback guy, which I like, right and

1:36:42.760 --> 1:36:46.000
<v Speaker 2>uh and and you know young quarterback guy that that

1:36:46.080 --> 1:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>can do it. And the last thing that I that

1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I like about him, as you can imagine, the reason

1:36:51.200 --> 1:36:54.800
<v Speaker 2>why the Cowboys parted ways with him, was because he

1:36:54.840 --> 1:36:56.080
<v Speaker 2>wanted to score too many points.

1:36:56.200 --> 1:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Remember that he wants to set The Cowboys are the charger,

1:36:59.280 --> 1:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the chargers. It was a cowboy fired, fired because they

1:37:02.600 --> 1:37:03.639
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to run the ball enough.

1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:08.760
<v Speaker 2>That was Kellen Moore's So Kellen Moore with the Cowboys,

1:37:09.040 --> 1:37:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Mike McCarthy's whole thing was he wants to light up

1:37:12.000 --> 1:37:14.800
<v Speaker 2>the scoreboard and I want to rest my defense, right

1:37:14.840 --> 1:37:17.120
<v Speaker 2>like that? That was that was the whole thing was

1:37:17.160 --> 1:37:19.240
<v Speaker 2>that Kellen Moore just wanted to throw the ball forty

1:37:19.320 --> 1:37:21.680
<v Speaker 2>times a game. I'm not saying you have to have

1:37:21.800 --> 1:37:24.240
<v Speaker 2>some sort of balance, right, we know that, right, But

1:37:24.439 --> 1:37:27.360
<v Speaker 2>I like the idea. You know, I like his mindset.

1:37:27.400 --> 1:37:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I think Kellen Moore has like an attack mindset that

1:37:29.760 --> 1:37:31.880
<v Speaker 2>he wants. He wants to have an offense that's gonna

1:37:31.880 --> 1:37:34.880
<v Speaker 2>score a lot of points. And lastly, on this topic,

1:37:35.760 --> 1:37:38.559
<v Speaker 2>you know that I've thought that the Chargers roster talent

1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:41.000
<v Speaker 2>has been overrated for a couple of years now, and

1:37:41.080 --> 1:37:42.639
<v Speaker 2>I still feel that way. I'm not trying to absolve

1:37:42.760 --> 1:37:44.400
<v Speaker 2>him of all things, Like I know that their offense

1:37:44.479 --> 1:37:45.320
<v Speaker 2>wasn't great last year.

1:37:46.040 --> 1:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>You just don't want to criticize your boy, Brandon Staley.

1:37:48.400 --> 1:37:51.880
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I just really don't. I think a

1:37:51.960 --> 1:37:54.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of people look at the Chargers roster and they

1:37:54.840 --> 1:37:56.639
<v Speaker 2>only look at the top of the roster, right, They're

1:37:56.640 --> 1:38:00.080
<v Speaker 2>only looking at Justin Herbert Keenan Allen. You know some

1:38:00.160 --> 1:38:01.599
<v Speaker 2>of the guys that they have on the defensive side

1:38:01.640 --> 1:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>of the ball, you know, Derwin James Khalil Mack, you

1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:07.479
<v Speaker 2>know those types of guys. Their their rosters has had

1:38:07.560 --> 1:38:10.120
<v Speaker 2>a lot of deficiencies over the last couple of years

1:38:10.160 --> 1:38:12.639
<v Speaker 2>that people just want to ignore. And I think Tom

1:38:12.680 --> 1:38:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Tellesco getting fired as the general manager. A big reason

1:38:15.680 --> 1:38:18.640
<v Speaker 2>why is because the people there are recognizing it. You know,

1:38:18.680 --> 1:38:21.679
<v Speaker 2>the span has to see it. They have some good pieces,

1:38:21.920 --> 1:38:24.200
<v Speaker 2>They have some really high end talent. You know, Rashaun

1:38:24.280 --> 1:38:27.439
<v Speaker 2>Slater is a really good tackle, but they they don't

1:38:27.520 --> 1:38:30.920
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of depth to their roster. And and

1:38:31.120 --> 1:38:33.320
<v Speaker 2>you saw that this year when they started to have

1:38:33.400 --> 1:38:35.360
<v Speaker 2>some injuries on the offense side of the ball. You know,

1:38:35.439 --> 1:38:38.679
<v Speaker 2>Mike Williams goes down, their offense falls, you know, falls

1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:41.080
<v Speaker 2>off a little bit. Austin Ecker doesn't have the same

1:38:41.160 --> 1:38:43.439
<v Speaker 2>year because of injuries and things like that. Their offense

1:38:43.479 --> 1:38:45.639
<v Speaker 2>takes another step back and they didn't really have any

1:38:45.720 --> 1:38:48.920
<v Speaker 2>depth to supplement it. So I think some of the

1:38:49.080 --> 1:38:51.400
<v Speaker 2>reason why Kellen Moore wasn't quite as successful with the

1:38:51.520 --> 1:38:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Chargers isn't all on Kellen Moore. That's just my point.

1:38:54.360 --> 1:38:57.600
<v Speaker 2>But is he my top candidate, No, absolutely not. But

1:38:58.040 --> 1:39:00.599
<v Speaker 2>he's somebody that I would definitely be interest said if

1:39:00.640 --> 1:39:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm the Patriots and and hearing out and having an

1:39:03.040 --> 1:39:06.120
<v Speaker 2>interview with and seeing seeing what his pitch is before

1:39:06.200 --> 1:39:10.280
<v Speaker 2>I you know, make a higher Senior Bowl ready, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is your moment, all right. So Senior Bowl preview

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<v Speaker 2>will end it here, end of the show here, I'm

1:39:16.720 --> 1:39:19.240
<v Speaker 2>going to go down to the Senior Bowl. Unfortunately I'm

1:39:19.240 --> 1:39:21.600
<v Speaker 2>going solo Alex. I'm very upset about that still, but

1:39:21.760 --> 1:39:24.560
<v Speaker 2>it is what it is. So we'll be doing the

1:39:24.600 --> 1:39:27.479
<v Speaker 2>show next week with me and Mobile and Alex will

1:39:27.520 --> 1:39:30.240
<v Speaker 2>be here and you know, all these guys so well, anyway, Alex,

1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I'll just tell you who's popping and who's standing out

1:39:32.479 --> 1:39:34.400
<v Speaker 2>to me, and we'll go from there the next week.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have a watch list. I'm sure you have

1:39:36.160 --> 1:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>a watch list. I want to start with the quarterbacks. Yeah,

1:39:40.080 --> 1:39:42.479
<v Speaker 2>there's three guys that I know. You have a couple more,

1:39:42.800 --> 1:39:46.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe going deeper than me, but three guys obviously, Well,

1:39:47.000 --> 1:39:51.640
<v Speaker 2>there's there's three big ones. I think Michael Pennix is

1:39:51.680 --> 1:39:55.640
<v Speaker 2>obvious and obvious. Bo Nix is an obvious I am.

1:39:55.680 --> 1:39:57.519
<v Speaker 2>I am I allowed to be intrigued by Michael.

1:39:57.320 --> 1:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Pratt from a Patriots point of view or just in

1:40:01.520 --> 1:40:03.599
<v Speaker 1>general in general.

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<v Speaker 2>But also let me let me give you this pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, I'm the guy that gets madd You don't

1:40:07.640 --> 1:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>let me talk about runningack se'n be intrigued about anybody.

1:40:10.560 --> 1:40:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, let me give you this pitch about Michael Pratt.

1:40:13.240 --> 1:40:14.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is there a chance?

1:40:15.040 --> 1:40:17.320
<v Speaker 2>And I hate to like type cast everybody, right, but

1:40:17.840 --> 1:40:20.759
<v Speaker 2>your stereotype everybody should say, but is there a chance

1:40:21.200 --> 1:40:24.360
<v Speaker 2>that Michael Pratt is like the Kirk cousins to an

1:40:24.439 --> 1:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>RG three?

1:40:26.120 --> 1:40:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh see, I think that's somebody else. I actually had

1:40:28.000 --> 1:40:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the exact same take about somebody else.

1:40:30.120 --> 1:40:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think.

1:40:31.640 --> 1:40:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Michael Pratt is more this draft's Bailey's abbey.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, that's disappointed.

1:40:37.439 --> 1:40:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Like I just see him as like I just see

1:40:39.920 --> 1:40:41.960
<v Speaker 1>him as like a you know, I think he could

1:40:41.960 --> 1:40:43.720
<v Speaker 1>be an NFL starter. I just don't see where the

1:40:43.800 --> 1:40:47.120
<v Speaker 1>ceiling is. He's older, he doesn't have you know, that

1:40:47.320 --> 1:40:52.960
<v Speaker 1>elite mobility, that elite arm talent. Like he's he's a good, solid,

1:40:54.000 --> 1:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>technically sound quarterback. I just don't know what I'm latching

1:40:57.200 --> 1:40:59.000
<v Speaker 1>on to where it's like, hey, this guy is gonna be,

1:40:59.240 --> 1:41:02.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, a starter on his rookie contract,

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<v Speaker 1>like a franchise starter on his rookie contract.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fair. I do wonder what he weighs in at

1:41:08.080 --> 1:41:10.040
<v Speaker 2>and like what he means. Actually, so he's a little

1:41:10.040 --> 1:41:11.439
<v Speaker 2>bit bigger than Bailey Zappy right.

1:41:11.439 --> 1:41:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Let me he is, let me rephrat He could be

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<v Speaker 1>the Kirk Cousins in the sense that if you draft

1:41:16.520 --> 1:41:19.439
<v Speaker 1>one quarterback and you want another guy, because Kirk Cousins

1:41:19.600 --> 1:41:21.320
<v Speaker 1>drafted to be the backup, right, that would make a

1:41:21.360 --> 1:41:23.799
<v Speaker 1>lot of sense because I think he has an ability

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<v Speaker 1>to at the very least be a high level backup,

1:41:26.080 --> 1:41:27.880
<v Speaker 1>if not a low level starter in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just intrigued by some of the things that I,

1:41:30.800 --> 1:41:32.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, saw I don't have a ton of two

1:41:32.800 --> 1:41:35.200
<v Speaker 2>lane all twenty two, I will admit, but I'm trying

1:41:35.240 --> 1:41:37.200
<v Speaker 2>to get more and we'll see what the Senior Bowl.

1:41:37.800 --> 1:41:40.639
<v Speaker 2>I think he throws a really good touch and accuracy, right,

1:41:40.680 --> 1:41:42.479
<v Speaker 2>which is just at.

1:41:42.360 --> 1:41:43.920
<v Speaker 1>The end when he's when it's clean.

1:41:44.360 --> 1:41:46.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, sure, but at the end of the day

1:41:46.479 --> 1:41:48.720
<v Speaker 2>that that still matters, you know, Like I feel like

1:41:48.960 --> 1:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>we're getting so lost in his quarterback discourse about arm

1:41:53.000 --> 1:41:57.479
<v Speaker 2>talent and off platform and extended playoff script, moving you know,

1:41:57.600 --> 1:42:00.720
<v Speaker 2>around and throwing like Patrick Mahomes, Like we're getting so

1:42:01.680 --> 1:42:04.560
<v Speaker 2>into that that we're losing sight of the fact that

1:42:04.680 --> 1:42:07.280
<v Speaker 2>the thing that matters the most still from quarterback play

1:42:07.560 --> 1:42:09.439
<v Speaker 2>is can you sit in the pocket and can you

1:42:09.600 --> 1:42:13.920
<v Speaker 2>deliver on time with accuracy? And Michael Pratt I think

1:42:14.000 --> 1:42:14.400
<v Speaker 2>can do that.

1:42:14.960 --> 1:42:18.160
<v Speaker 1>He's very good at that. My my thing with him is,

1:42:18.439 --> 1:42:20.559
<v Speaker 1>and this is more for the Patriots than just in general,

1:42:21.320 --> 1:42:24.880
<v Speaker 1>when that's not there, he doesn't really have an ability

1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:27.240
<v Speaker 1>to create something from nothing. Yeah, And that's what I

1:42:27.320 --> 1:42:28.120
<v Speaker 1>worry about with him.

1:42:28.320 --> 1:42:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Fair enough Big week, I think for Pennix.

1:42:31.640 --> 1:42:34.519
<v Speaker 1>Big week, huge week, huge week in a number of ways.

1:42:34.560 --> 1:42:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's gotta throw the ball well, kind of

1:42:37.240 --> 1:42:39.720
<v Speaker 1>offset some of the you know, the tape from the

1:42:39.760 --> 1:42:43.360
<v Speaker 1>National Championship. He'll probably get some medical testing done.

1:42:44.120 --> 1:42:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Talk to teams, yeah, talk to teams.

1:42:45.880 --> 1:42:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Just a big, big, big week for him.

1:42:48.000 --> 1:42:51.439
<v Speaker 2>I hope he practices at least one day, you know.

1:42:52.240 --> 1:42:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think he will. He probably has as much

1:42:55.280 --> 1:42:58.720
<v Speaker 1>variance as any quarterback. Jenji mccartheen's. Yeah, he has as

1:42:58.800 --> 1:43:01.240
<v Speaker 1>much variance as any quarterbacks at the Senior Bowl. Put

1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:01.559
<v Speaker 1>it that way.

1:43:01.680 --> 1:43:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I think that he's He's definitely gonna be intriguing.

1:43:04.720 --> 1:43:08.479
<v Speaker 2>What I'm looking for with him is it when we

1:43:08.680 --> 1:43:11.960
<v Speaker 2>watch him, you see the ball kind of just really like,

1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:14.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, pop out of his hand, right, He's got

1:43:14.439 --> 1:43:17.080
<v Speaker 2>that like instant velocity out of his hand, which we

1:43:17.160 --> 1:43:20.240
<v Speaker 2>all really like. I think that that's something that is

1:43:20.320 --> 1:43:22.720
<v Speaker 2>really important to see in person, though, like I think

1:43:22.800 --> 1:43:26.000
<v Speaker 2>you can barely see that tangibly in person, Like how

1:43:26.120 --> 1:43:28.400
<v Speaker 2>much velocity, how much arm talent does he really have

1:43:28.560 --> 1:43:30.680
<v Speaker 2>on the football. We're not necessarily going to see him

1:43:30.720 --> 1:43:32.400
<v Speaker 2>under pressure because he's gonna be in a red Jersey

1:43:32.439 --> 1:43:34.320
<v Speaker 2>and he's not going to be facing pressure like that

1:43:34.600 --> 1:43:37.320
<v Speaker 2>he was in the National Championship game. But you can see,

1:43:37.760 --> 1:43:40.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, is the vlo legit? Like, is that ability

1:43:40.960 --> 1:43:43.559
<v Speaker 2>to generate velocity with the ball coming out of his hand? Legit?

1:43:45.240 --> 1:43:49.120
<v Speaker 2>This is a game and a practice where other quarterbacks

1:43:49.640 --> 1:43:53.200
<v Speaker 2>have really separated themselves, like Justin Herbert's like the biggest

1:43:53.240 --> 1:43:54.960
<v Speaker 2>one I can remember over the last couple of years

1:43:55.240 --> 1:43:57.400
<v Speaker 2>where he went to the Senior Bowl and he was

1:43:57.520 --> 1:43:59.840
<v Speaker 2>just a dude and it was different than everybody else.

1:44:00.640 --> 1:44:04.479
<v Speaker 2>His gravitas, his his talent, all of it, and then

1:44:04.520 --> 1:44:06.599
<v Speaker 2>that locked him in as like a top ten pick.

1:44:06.680 --> 1:44:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Pennix is gonna get locked in as

1:44:08.320 --> 1:44:10.600
<v Speaker 2>a top ten pick just because of the injuries, but

1:44:10.760 --> 1:44:14.160
<v Speaker 2>he can lock himself in as like an end of

1:44:14.200 --> 1:44:16.479
<v Speaker 2>the first round guy, or you know, wherever the league

1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:18.439
<v Speaker 2>has him right now. Maybe we'll find out.

1:44:18.320 --> 1:44:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Some of that too, if anybody, though, I think Pratt

1:44:20.960 --> 1:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>is the guy that is. You know, the way these

1:44:22.960 --> 1:44:25.719
<v Speaker 1>practices are structured, it's set up for him to shine.

1:44:26.000 --> 1:44:29.400
<v Speaker 1>You want to talk about velocity and arm strength though,

1:44:29.560 --> 1:44:31.040
<v Speaker 1>oh god, all right, get.

1:44:30.960 --> 1:44:34.160
<v Speaker 2>To my guy, okay, but really, really quickly before we do. Yeah,

1:44:35.280 --> 1:44:38.640
<v Speaker 2>anything from Bonnicks, Like is Bonick's gonna do anything for

1:44:38.840 --> 1:44:41.000
<v Speaker 2>you in this week? Like if I call in on

1:44:41.120 --> 1:44:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Wednesday and then we're doing the show and I'm telling you,

1:44:43.040 --> 1:44:45.080
<v Speaker 2>like Bonnix is just tearing up practice, Like does that

1:44:45.160 --> 1:44:46.240
<v Speaker 2>move the needle at all for you?

1:44:48.400 --> 1:44:52.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, if he's really focusing vertically, if he's like

1:44:52.720 --> 1:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>really showing a vertical game, then I'll be all right

1:44:56.439 --> 1:44:58.960
<v Speaker 1>because like we we know he can hit those you know,

1:44:59.320 --> 1:45:00.880
<v Speaker 1>get to the back foot, get the ball out on

1:45:00.960 --> 1:45:03.160
<v Speaker 1>those short and intermediate throws and put it right on

1:45:03.280 --> 1:45:05.760
<v Speaker 1>a dine like that's been his game and you know

1:45:05.880 --> 1:45:10.240
<v Speaker 1>seven on seven structuring kind of Uh, it's it's a

1:45:10.280 --> 1:45:13.400
<v Speaker 1>good setting for that. If he's testing windows, if he's

1:45:13.439 --> 1:45:15.479
<v Speaker 1>splitting the ball in between zones down the field, if

1:45:15.520 --> 1:45:18.040
<v Speaker 1>he's throwing jump balls down the field and he's hitting them,

1:45:18.400 --> 1:45:20.479
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, all right, here's something he hasn't had.

1:45:20.560 --> 1:45:23.040
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think he certainly has something to prove.

1:45:23.240 --> 1:45:26.599
<v Speaker 1>But I think he's he's sixty one starts on his bell, Yeah,

1:45:26.640 --> 1:45:29.559
<v Speaker 1>sixty one college starts. So if you don't know, then

1:45:29.640 --> 1:45:33.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you don't know, by we I would

1:45:33.080 --> 1:45:35.439
<v Speaker 1>be surprised. This sounds kind of weird. I would be

1:45:35.520 --> 1:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>surprised if bo Nick surprises us, just because we have

1:45:38.120 --> 1:45:39.240
<v Speaker 1>so much tape on him.

1:45:39.280 --> 1:45:41.120
<v Speaker 2>The only thing I would look at from bow Nicks.

1:45:41.160 --> 1:45:42.800
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know how much I'm going to be

1:45:42.840 --> 1:45:45.120
<v Speaker 2>able to like tangibly know this, but maybe just talking

1:45:45.160 --> 1:45:47.960
<v Speaker 2>to some people down there, like what's he like? You know,

1:45:48.200 --> 1:45:51.360
<v Speaker 2>like is he I think one thing about Mac and

1:45:51.520 --> 1:45:53.960
<v Speaker 2>like we're film junkies. We're guys that watch the tape

1:45:53.960 --> 1:45:56.559
<v Speaker 2>and really study these guys in terms of their football ability.

1:45:56.640 --> 1:45:59.120
<v Speaker 2>But I think it has been a factor around here,

1:45:59.600 --> 1:46:03.240
<v Speaker 2>just personality, you know, his confidence and all that kind

1:46:03.280 --> 1:46:06.360
<v Speaker 2>of like does does Bonix carry himself with some swagger?

1:46:06.600 --> 1:46:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Like That's what I look.

1:46:08.000 --> 1:46:12.080
<v Speaker 1>It's very interesting Nicks's background, So his dad it's like

1:46:12.160 --> 1:46:16.000
<v Speaker 1>an Auburn legend, yeah, playing quarterback, and then he grew

1:46:16.080 --> 1:46:18.320
<v Speaker 1>up an Auburn fan. He went to Auburn and it

1:46:18.400 --> 1:46:20.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't go well, and it wasn't entirely his fault, but

1:46:21.320 --> 1:46:23.599
<v Speaker 1>he talked about after he left the pressure of being

1:46:23.680 --> 1:46:27.360
<v Speaker 1>there and how miserable it was to like the pressure

1:46:27.400 --> 1:46:30.400
<v Speaker 1>he put it because he wasn't he wasn't doing it

1:46:30.520 --> 1:46:32.519
<v Speaker 1>for himself. He there's a there's a great piece for

1:46:32.640 --> 1:46:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Marty Smith ESPN that like he was doing it for Auburn,

1:46:35.920 --> 1:46:38.760
<v Speaker 1>not for bo and then he goes to Oregon. You

1:46:38.800 --> 1:46:40.799
<v Speaker 1>know at this so he was a five star recruit,

1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:44.160
<v Speaker 1>son of a campus legend, starts a true freshman. He

1:46:44.280 --> 1:46:46.559
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to revive the Auburn program. He was supposed

1:46:46.600 --> 1:46:49.360
<v Speaker 1>to deliver Auburn a national championship. That was like his

1:46:50.040 --> 1:46:53.280
<v Speaker 1>destiny essentially to for I don't mean to sounds so dramatic,

1:46:53.360 --> 1:46:56.360
<v Speaker 1>but he's kind of the chosen one. Yeah, flames out,

1:46:56.520 --> 1:47:00.599
<v Speaker 1>he goes to undrafted, failed the school, has to transfer,

1:47:01.360 --> 1:47:04.680
<v Speaker 1>goes to Oregon now there's no pressure, and tears it up, so,

1:47:05.520 --> 1:47:08.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, and he again, if you watch this piece

1:47:08.960 --> 1:47:10.320
<v Speaker 1>on ESPN, I'll send it to you so you can

1:47:10.320 --> 1:47:11.720
<v Speaker 1>watch before you get down there, because I think it

1:47:11.960 --> 1:47:14.120
<v Speaker 1>does painted, you know, a brief but good picture of

1:47:14.120 --> 1:47:17.240
<v Speaker 1>who he is. I think he has a very good

1:47:17.320 --> 1:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>understanding of his standing and of his journey. And I

1:47:21.080 --> 1:47:24.519
<v Speaker 1>think he's willing to be changed by his journey. And

1:47:24.600 --> 1:47:28.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's something I don't think everybody in

1:47:28.280 --> 1:47:30.439
<v Speaker 1>a position like his. Uh, you can say that.

1:47:30.439 --> 1:47:32.960
<v Speaker 2>About Bnix is a tough one for me because of

1:47:33.040 --> 1:47:35.600
<v Speaker 2>the Auburn stuff. I can unsee it sometimes, you know,

1:47:35.720 --> 1:47:37.800
<v Speaker 2>like I just part of the part of it. I

1:47:37.880 --> 1:47:40.519
<v Speaker 2>know how bad he was at Auburn, very Jared stid

1:47:40.600 --> 1:47:44.400
<v Speaker 2>of me, right, like just just not not consistent, not

1:47:44.520 --> 1:47:45.000
<v Speaker 2>good enough.

1:47:45.280 --> 1:47:48.439
<v Speaker 1>All right. The thing is, I think if you, I

1:47:48.479 --> 1:47:50.320
<v Speaker 1>think bo Nicks would also tell you that, which I

1:47:50.400 --> 1:47:52.479
<v Speaker 1>think is part of what makes him a little different. Okay,

1:47:52.560 --> 1:47:53.920
<v Speaker 1>not saying that means draft.

1:47:53.720 --> 1:47:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Him, but all right, tell us about Bazuka Joe.

1:47:57.680 --> 1:48:02.799
<v Speaker 1>All right, So Joe Milton is the most entertaining quarterback

1:48:03.280 --> 1:48:05.040
<v Speaker 1>in this draft. That doesn't mean best.

1:48:06.439 --> 1:48:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Daniels.

1:48:07.560 --> 1:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's six six, two thirty six. He can

1:48:11.040 --> 1:48:14.080
<v Speaker 1>throw the ball sixty yards just with his top half.

1:48:15.240 --> 1:48:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Now he sprays it. His accuracy is not great, and

1:48:18.960 --> 1:48:20.680
<v Speaker 1>he's great as a scrambler. He's not great as a

1:48:20.760 --> 1:48:25.120
<v Speaker 1>designed runner. But you talk about again, you can't. I'm

1:48:25.160 --> 1:48:27.720
<v Speaker 1>excited for you to see him throw the football, and

1:48:27.720 --> 1:48:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm sending you some clips last night. It doesn't really

1:48:30.080 --> 1:48:33.600
<v Speaker 1>make sense. You watch some of his throws and you

1:48:33.680 --> 1:48:35.800
<v Speaker 1>see his mechanics and then you see how far the

1:48:35.840 --> 1:48:39.880
<v Speaker 1>ball goes and there's nothing else like that. Now he's

1:48:39.880 --> 1:48:41.920
<v Speaker 1>obviously got to learn to rein it in. But when

1:48:41.960 --> 1:48:45.200
<v Speaker 1>you talk about arm strength, size, and mobility, he checks

1:48:45.280 --> 1:48:47.519
<v Speaker 1>all the boxes that you usually look for in the

1:48:47.560 --> 1:48:50.960
<v Speaker 1>first round. Yeah, but he's older, His accuracy isn't there.

1:48:51.040 --> 1:48:52.800
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't make good decisions.

1:48:53.160 --> 1:48:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Other than that.

1:48:55.080 --> 1:48:58.280
<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing. Somebody's gonna somebody's gonna see him

1:48:59.240 --> 1:49:01.559
<v Speaker 1>like early on day three and say I can get

1:49:01.560 --> 1:49:04.120
<v Speaker 1>the most out of his kid. Yeah, somebody's gonna see

1:49:04.160 --> 1:49:06.799
<v Speaker 1>him early on day three and just look at the potential.

1:49:06.960 --> 1:49:10.240
<v Speaker 1>And I wonder if he's the guy that you draft

1:49:10.280 --> 1:49:12.800
<v Speaker 1>a quarterback. And it's funny because I think just on

1:49:12.920 --> 1:49:17.479
<v Speaker 1>skill set, on an ability, he's somewhere between Drake May

1:49:17.520 --> 1:49:20.759
<v Speaker 1>and Jane Daniels. So you could draft either of those guys,

1:49:21.640 --> 1:49:24.200
<v Speaker 1>take Joe Milton in the fourth or fifth round and

1:49:24.400 --> 1:49:28.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of develop them together. And where Joe Milton really

1:49:28.040 --> 1:49:31.160
<v Speaker 1>interests me is almost as a package player. He can

1:49:31.200 --> 1:49:34.080
<v Speaker 1>be or Hail Mary thrower. He'd be an excellent push

1:49:34.120 --> 1:49:37.519
<v Speaker 1>push quarterback. He can do some things running the ball,

1:49:37.920 --> 1:49:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Like you could put him in in spots and utilize

1:49:41.120 --> 1:49:44.080
<v Speaker 1>him in spots where you could take advantage of the

1:49:44.200 --> 1:49:46.360
<v Speaker 1>rare talents he has will maybe masking some of that

1:49:46.479 --> 1:49:49.040
<v Speaker 1>other stuff. So I'm just really interested to see I

1:49:49.080 --> 1:49:51.800
<v Speaker 1>wish I could could see him in person. He fascinates me.

1:49:52.080 --> 1:49:53.800
<v Speaker 1>And again I'm not saying draft them, I'm not saying

1:49:53.840 --> 1:49:55.439
<v Speaker 1>make them the start, I'm not saying he's great, but

1:49:56.280 --> 1:49:59.559
<v Speaker 1>just his entire makeup is so unique, right, I talk

1:49:59.600 --> 1:50:03.639
<v Speaker 1>about this every year. That excuse me. There's a there's

1:50:03.640 --> 1:50:05.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of guys in the draft that you look

1:50:05.080 --> 1:50:08.599
<v Speaker 1>at and they're really good, but there's a player that's

1:50:08.640 --> 1:50:11.519
<v Speaker 1>good like that every year. There's only so many guys

1:50:11.560 --> 1:50:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you look at every year where it's you've got to

1:50:13.400 --> 1:50:15.840
<v Speaker 1>draft this guy now because you're not going to get

1:50:15.880 --> 1:50:18.160
<v Speaker 1>him next year. Joe Milton is one of those guys

1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:21.000
<v Speaker 1>where you're not gonna find anybody else with his skill set.

1:50:21.520 --> 1:50:23.400
<v Speaker 1>And that again, that doesn't mean it's perfect, that doesn't

1:50:23.400 --> 1:50:26.720
<v Speaker 1>mean it's good. But just as somebody who likes the

1:50:26.760 --> 1:50:30.040
<v Speaker 1>game of football and enjoys the pre draft process, he's

1:50:30.120 --> 1:50:32.920
<v Speaker 1>a fascinating, fascinating, fascinating part of this.

1:50:33.840 --> 1:50:38.000
<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, you just went through a sickness, an

1:50:38.000 --> 1:50:40.600
<v Speaker 2>illness to just go three minutes on Joe Milton. So

1:50:40.680 --> 1:50:42.600
<v Speaker 2>that's how you know how good he is to you.

1:50:43.040 --> 1:50:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Or how nobody gets you interesting. Interesting.

1:50:46.200 --> 1:50:48.160
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't say good, you're right how it's just going

1:50:48.240 --> 1:50:51.519
<v Speaker 2>to be clear like he's interesting. Okay, let's let's talk

1:50:51.520 --> 1:50:54.280
<v Speaker 2>about the tackles. So I think there's six tackles uh

1:50:54.520 --> 1:50:58.640
<v Speaker 2>that are going to be in Mobile that are real considerations,

1:50:58.880 --> 1:51:00.920
<v Speaker 2>uh for the Patriots of the top of the second round.

1:51:01.040 --> 1:51:03.560
<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna butcher some of these names because some

1:51:03.640 --> 1:51:10.040
<v Speaker 2>of them are tough of Talisi Fugala from Oregon State.

1:51:10.640 --> 1:51:10.760
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

1:51:11.160 --> 1:51:13.439
<v Speaker 2>My guy who I really like a lot is Troy

1:51:13.520 --> 1:51:17.280
<v Speaker 2>fott Neu from Washington, Jordan Morgan from Arizona, Tyler Guidon

1:51:17.320 --> 1:51:21.480
<v Speaker 2>from Oklahoma, Kingsley Sumataia Sumataie.

1:51:23.880 --> 1:51:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I usually practice the names, but obviously I can't speak.

1:51:26.560 --> 1:51:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm very sorry. I'm very sorry to to these people's parents.

1:51:30.240 --> 1:51:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I really am. And uh Patrick Paul from Houston. That

1:51:33.040 --> 1:51:37.240
<v Speaker 2>one's easy. So I'm excited about this group. I you know,

1:51:37.479 --> 1:51:39.840
<v Speaker 2>especially when you go to stuff like the Senior Bowl,

1:51:40.360 --> 1:51:44.320
<v Speaker 2>seeing these guys against NFL guys, draftable NFL guys, and

1:51:44.400 --> 1:51:46.800
<v Speaker 2>how they handle power, how they handle those types of

1:51:46.840 --> 1:51:50.599
<v Speaker 2>one on ones. It's a really good snapshot for these guys.

1:51:51.200 --> 1:51:53.479
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned fot New you know, he was the left

1:51:53.520 --> 1:51:56.519
<v Speaker 2>tackle for Washington this past year and they won the

1:51:56.560 --> 1:51:57.920
<v Speaker 2>More Award. You know, they had one of the best

1:51:57.960 --> 1:52:00.800
<v Speaker 2>offensive lines in football in college football. But I know

1:52:00.920 --> 1:52:03.679
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of love for Morgan, for Patrick Paul,

1:52:04.080 --> 1:52:06.679
<v Speaker 2>for really all this group. But I think it would

1:52:06.760 --> 1:52:09.879
<v Speaker 2>not just shock me in the least if the Patriots

1:52:09.960 --> 1:52:11.800
<v Speaker 2>thirty fourth picking the draft is one of these.

1:52:11.720 --> 1:52:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Six guys, or if they move up if they like

1:52:14.760 --> 1:52:17.439
<v Speaker 1>one of them. But this is I mean, we talk

1:52:17.760 --> 1:52:20.439
<v Speaker 1>about this event is one of those things where you're

1:52:20.520 --> 1:52:25.200
<v Speaker 1>sorting guys out and right now there's seven tackles projected

1:52:25.240 --> 1:52:27.679
<v Speaker 1>to go into thirty pick range basically between called twenty

1:52:27.720 --> 1:52:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and fifty. Of those seven, six will be at the

1:52:30.680 --> 1:52:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Senior Bowl of Marius Mims from Georgia is the loan

1:52:33.479 --> 1:52:36.960
<v Speaker 1>one who won't. But yeah, you know, you could stack

1:52:37.040 --> 1:52:39.080
<v Speaker 1>them in just about any order of these seven guys

1:52:39.200 --> 1:52:42.040
<v Speaker 1>right now, and you could probably make a pretty compelling

1:52:42.120 --> 1:52:45.320
<v Speaker 1>case for it. So there's a lot to like about

1:52:45.320 --> 1:52:47.400
<v Speaker 1>all of them. They certainly all have their flaws as well.

1:52:47.840 --> 1:52:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I think this is this especially with the offensive line position,

1:52:51.160 --> 1:52:52.720
<v Speaker 1>like last year, we did this with the receivers of

1:52:52.760 --> 1:52:54.719
<v Speaker 1>the Combine, and that's because a lot of the receivers

1:52:54.760 --> 1:52:56.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't go to the Senior Bowl. But we were like,

1:52:56.640 --> 1:52:58.240
<v Speaker 1>remember there were those four guys, and it was okay,

1:52:58.280 --> 1:53:01.080
<v Speaker 1>what order do they go in with the linemen? And

1:53:01.160 --> 1:53:03.680
<v Speaker 1>an event like the Senior bowls much more valuable than

1:53:03.720 --> 1:53:07.439
<v Speaker 1>an event like the Combine. So we're gonna kind of see, Okay,

1:53:07.600 --> 1:53:10.000
<v Speaker 1>here's these again, men's will be there. Here's these six

1:53:10.120 --> 1:53:13.040
<v Speaker 1>guys that are all projected to be within range of

1:53:13.080 --> 1:53:16.400
<v Speaker 1>the Patriots. Who do you like better than who?

1:53:16.600 --> 1:53:16.760
<v Speaker 3>You know?

1:53:16.920 --> 1:53:19.400
<v Speaker 1>This is kind of a big week to decide that.

1:53:19.760 --> 1:53:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love these events for the one on ones,

1:53:22.920 --> 1:53:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Like I think that that's such a big thing. It's

1:53:25.479 --> 1:53:29.040
<v Speaker 2>just on an island, one on one pass pro against

1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:32.439
<v Speaker 2>NFL draftable talent on the other side, Like how do

1:53:32.520 --> 1:53:34.080
<v Speaker 2>you hold up? Because at the end of the day,

1:53:34.640 --> 1:53:36.200
<v Speaker 2>that's the game now. Like as much as we can

1:53:36.200 --> 1:53:38.040
<v Speaker 2>talk about run blocking and all that kind of stuff,

1:53:38.439 --> 1:53:40.479
<v Speaker 2>if you can't pass protect, that's the item Number one.

1:53:40.520 --> 1:53:42.959
<v Speaker 2>I remember Macro telling me last year at the Combine.

1:53:43.400 --> 1:53:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Number one is pass protection, Like can you or can

1:53:46.400 --> 1:53:49.040
<v Speaker 2>you not pass protect? Like that's where we start with everybody,

1:53:49.439 --> 1:53:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and I think that that's a big part of this.

1:53:51.880 --> 1:53:54.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, quickly, there's just the.

1:53:56.040 --> 1:53:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Three guys I like there that stand out to me

1:53:57.960 --> 1:54:03.000
<v Speaker 1>right now, and we'll see from Washington pros pro pros

1:54:03.080 --> 1:54:06.479
<v Speaker 1>pro just like a ready made NFL tackle. I like

1:54:06.560 --> 1:54:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Paul from Houston. I think he has among the

1:54:09.360 --> 1:54:11.920
<v Speaker 1>better upside in the group, if that makes sense. Like,

1:54:12.000 --> 1:54:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I think he's a guy that not says a project player,

1:54:15.120 --> 1:54:17.839
<v Speaker 1>but you can maybe get a little more from with patients.

1:54:18.800 --> 1:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>And then I also really like Jordan Morgan from Arizona

1:54:22.560 --> 1:54:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and who knows where the jetfish connection is at at

1:54:25.080 --> 1:54:26.840
<v Speaker 1>this point, but Mayo was on the staff with him.

1:54:26.840 --> 1:54:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Maybe a guy they can get a little, yeah, at.

1:54:28.920 --> 1:54:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Least some intel out of that. Yeah, how did you say,

1:54:32.120 --> 1:54:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Troy Fotnuanu?

1:54:35.480 --> 1:54:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Maybe sorry is coughing, I've I've been I've been saying Fatanu.

1:54:40.520 --> 1:54:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, well maybe checked that and mobile I'll figure

1:54:44.760 --> 1:54:45.520
<v Speaker 2>out exactly how.

1:54:45.560 --> 1:54:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Usually when these guys talk to the media down there,

1:54:47.440 --> 1:54:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the first question is can you say your name?

1:54:49.240 --> 1:54:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those guys, he reminds me you said it. You know,

1:54:52.160 --> 1:54:55.280
<v Speaker 2>pros pro a lot of reps, you know, like a

1:54:55.400 --> 1:54:58.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of experience against top competition. I know the the

1:54:58.680 --> 1:55:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Washington offensive line got exposed against Michigan, but I thought

1:55:02.040 --> 1:55:04.720
<v Speaker 2>he actually had a pretty decent game himself, Like a

1:55:04.800 --> 1:55:06.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of the pressure was coming off the right side.

1:55:07.200 --> 1:55:09.919
<v Speaker 2>Their right tackle got destroyed in the National.

1:55:09.680 --> 1:55:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Gayeah he'll I think he'll actually be at the Swimble

1:55:12.240 --> 1:55:14.880
<v Speaker 1>as well. He won Rose Garden. He uh, that was

1:55:14.920 --> 1:55:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the guy I liked. I saw that game. He's got

1:55:17.680 --> 1:55:18.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of making up to do.

1:55:18.760 --> 1:55:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay really quickly because only have a couple more minutes here.

1:55:21.520 --> 1:55:25.720
<v Speaker 2>The group of receivers in Mobile next week, it's so good,

1:55:25.840 --> 1:55:28.280
<v Speaker 2>so there's no the top guys obviously aren't going, like

1:55:28.320 --> 1:55:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Marvin Harrison Junior or the league neighbors, Romadonza, Kean Coleman,

1:55:33.240 --> 1:55:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Brian Thomas, Troy Franklin like that. The guys that are

1:55:36.800 --> 1:55:38.960
<v Speaker 2>going in the first round are not going to be there.

1:55:39.440 --> 1:55:40.720
<v Speaker 1>The Texas guys aren't there either.

1:55:40.880 --> 1:55:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, yeah, Texas guys too. But we do have

1:55:43.400 --> 1:55:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Xavier l get Lad McConkie, Ted Walker, Johnny Wilson, mclai Corley,

1:55:47.720 --> 1:55:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Ricky Parcel, Brandon Rice from USC, Roman Wilson from Michigan.

1:55:51.680 --> 1:55:53.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's other guys that you like too that

1:55:53.360 --> 1:55:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I didn't just name, But that's like eight guys that

1:55:55.280 --> 1:55:57.320
<v Speaker 2>I just rat rattle off that are all going to

1:55:57.400 --> 1:55:59.680
<v Speaker 2>be there. One of the most fun things about these

1:55:59.720 --> 1:56:01.600
<v Speaker 2>events is, obviously I mentioned the one on once for

1:56:01.680 --> 1:56:04.240
<v Speaker 2>the lineman. That's more like you know nerds like me. Yeah,

1:56:04.400 --> 1:56:07.120
<v Speaker 2>but the one on ones receivers versus corners, right like,

1:56:07.240 --> 1:56:09.600
<v Speaker 2>that's always a like that. That's where you really get

1:56:09.640 --> 1:56:12.280
<v Speaker 2>the popcorn out. And I think all of these guys

1:56:12.680 --> 1:56:16.680
<v Speaker 2>have some really good route running skill that will could

1:56:16.760 --> 1:56:18.800
<v Speaker 2>wow the crowd a little bit with some of their

1:56:18.960 --> 1:56:19.800
<v Speaker 2>their route running.

1:56:19.840 --> 1:56:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Here, I'm gonna throw a bold take out right now, Levan,

1:56:24.080 --> 1:56:26.840
<v Speaker 1>there are multiple future Pro Bowl receivers at the Senior

1:56:26.880 --> 1:56:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Bowl wow or now Pro Bowl All Pro Wow. Well see,

1:56:32.240 --> 1:56:35.200
<v Speaker 1>you don't seem that wowed by it. They sounded sarcastic.

1:56:36.160 --> 1:56:39.240
<v Speaker 2>No, that's a bold take, IM. I don't know if

1:56:39.240 --> 1:56:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I agree, but it's a bold take.

1:56:41.560 --> 1:56:43.640
<v Speaker 1>You don't think there's multiple Pro Bowl receivers there?

1:56:44.400 --> 1:56:44.880
<v Speaker 2>There could be.

1:56:45.640 --> 1:56:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I think I think there is. We talked a little

1:56:48.280 --> 1:56:51.040
<v Speaker 1>bitbouta get already. I like Tesz Walker, especially if you

1:56:51.160 --> 1:56:53.720
<v Speaker 1>draft uh yeah, Drake May you compare the two kind

1:56:53.760 --> 1:56:56.280
<v Speaker 1>of similar, you know, downfield, bigger receivers. I want to

1:56:56.320 --> 1:56:57.880
<v Speaker 1>give you a couple of deeper guys, though, and you

1:56:58.000 --> 1:57:01.000
<v Speaker 1>focus so much on the top guys. Uh. Ricky Piersoll

1:57:01.120 --> 1:57:06.200
<v Speaker 1>from Florida. Yep, I'm super interested in him because you

1:57:06.360 --> 1:57:08.640
<v Speaker 1>talk about a guy that plays the game ferociously.

1:57:08.840 --> 1:57:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's an aggressive player.

1:57:10.960 --> 1:57:13.280
<v Speaker 1>He's in a good way, oh, in a great way.

1:57:13.360 --> 1:57:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I there's times where you talk about separating at

1:57:16.600 --> 1:57:18.919
<v Speaker 1>the top of the route and you're talking about quickness.

1:57:19.640 --> 1:57:22.760
<v Speaker 1>He separates physically and it's not offensive pass interference. He

1:57:22.960 --> 1:57:25.840
<v Speaker 1>just muscles his way through guys. It's it's really fun

1:57:25.920 --> 1:57:29.600
<v Speaker 1>to watch great catch radius. Jacob Cowing from Arizona's a

1:57:29.640 --> 1:57:33.120
<v Speaker 1>really interesting player, kind of a slot guy. Luke McCaffrey

1:57:33.240 --> 1:57:37.200
<v Speaker 1>from Rice, so Christian's brother, Yeah, is going to be there.

1:57:37.600 --> 1:57:38.880
<v Speaker 1>And then the one other guy I want you to

1:57:38.960 --> 1:57:41.680
<v Speaker 1>watch evan is Jordan Whittington from Texas. I think he's

1:57:41.720 --> 1:57:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the lowest rated prospect that'll be there, but he kind

1:57:45.480 --> 1:57:48.040
<v Speaker 1>of got lost. He was the third receiver behind Ady

1:57:48.120 --> 1:57:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Mitchell davy Worthy. But you talk about a guy that's

1:57:50.600 --> 1:57:53.200
<v Speaker 1>just steady, You talk about a guy that's reliable. Like

1:57:53.320 --> 1:57:55.280
<v Speaker 1>he's not the biggest, he's not the fastest, he's not

1:57:55.360 --> 1:57:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the strongest, but he's just always open. And look, obviously

1:57:58.880 --> 1:58:00.680
<v Speaker 1>some of that was, you know with eighty Mitchell z

1:58:00.680 --> 1:58:02.840
<v Speaker 1>av Worthy helped, but not a guy that drops a

1:58:02.880 --> 1:58:06.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of passes, doesn't run sloppy routes. Like some team's

1:58:06.200 --> 1:58:08.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna find him on day three and he's going to

1:58:08.800 --> 1:58:12.920
<v Speaker 1>develop into a really good, complimentary receiver and I'm interested

1:58:12.960 --> 1:58:15.120
<v Speaker 1>to see. I Look, he's not on the level of

1:58:15.160 --> 1:58:17.400
<v Speaker 1>those other guys, but I do think he's being slept

1:58:17.440 --> 1:58:18.880
<v Speaker 1>on a little bit right now. I wonder if he

1:58:18.960 --> 1:58:21.280
<v Speaker 1>comes away from this week or from Senior Bowl week

1:58:21.320 --> 1:58:23.320
<v Speaker 1>with more of the recognition that he deserves.

1:58:23.560 --> 1:58:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a that's a good list, and I'm excited.

1:58:27.480 --> 1:58:30.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, I have I have an affinity for Roman Wilson.

1:58:30.800 --> 1:58:31.200
<v Speaker 3>I do.

1:58:31.360 --> 1:58:34.080
<v Speaker 2>I I feel like I see a lot of a

1:58:34.200 --> 1:58:35.720
<v Speaker 2>mon ros Saint Brown in his game.

1:58:35.880 --> 1:58:39.440
<v Speaker 1>So I'm really interested to see than what you think

1:58:39.480 --> 1:58:41.320
<v Speaker 1>of Peersaw, because I feel like Pierce All is a

1:58:41.520 --> 1:58:46.160
<v Speaker 1>bigger version of Roman Wilson. Yeah, maybe more of an

1:58:46.280 --> 1:58:48.720
<v Speaker 1>outside version too, but like, yeah, I just look.

1:58:48.600 --> 1:58:53.920
<v Speaker 2>At you know, ability to separate obviously ball you know

1:58:54.360 --> 1:58:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Billy as a ball carrier, yack receiver, you know a

1:58:57.280 --> 1:59:00.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of gadget not gadget, but like scheme touches, you know,

1:59:01.520 --> 1:59:05.160
<v Speaker 2>jet sweeps and around slide routes, things like that that

1:59:05.200 --> 1:59:06.520
<v Speaker 2>they would use him on as a lot of the

1:59:06.560 --> 1:59:08.880
<v Speaker 2>different things that Detroit uses him on, Ross Saint Brown on.

1:59:09.040 --> 1:59:11.080
<v Speaker 2>So I'm interested to see, but you know, a guy

1:59:11.240 --> 1:59:13.600
<v Speaker 2>like him, and then we really have to wrap. But

1:59:13.640 --> 1:59:15.640
<v Speaker 2>a guy like him Roman Wilson, he's got to be

1:59:15.800 --> 1:59:18.240
<v Speaker 2>like wowing you in one on once right, like, because

1:59:18.240 --> 1:59:20.120
<v Speaker 2>he's he's not fit, he's not a big guy, so

1:59:20.200 --> 1:59:22.560
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna have to be a route running technician type

1:59:22.960 --> 1:59:24.800
<v Speaker 2>down in Mobile. So, like I said, I'll be down

1:59:24.840 --> 1:59:27.000
<v Speaker 2>in Mobile and Alex and I will do a show

1:59:27.320 --> 1:59:30.800
<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday afternoon, I think is the plan for me

1:59:31.640 --> 1:59:33.560
<v Speaker 2>at the Senior Bowl. And I'll just throw a bunch

1:59:33.600 --> 1:59:35.880
<v Speaker 2>of names at Alex and he'll tell me way more

1:59:35.920 --> 1:59:38.120
<v Speaker 2>about him than I know. But I hang on here

1:59:38.160 --> 1:59:40.720
<v Speaker 2>and Alex said, thanks again, thanks again for playing hurt man.

1:59:40.960 --> 1:59:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for thanks for putting up with my voice. Everybody. Yeah,

1:59:43.080 --> 1:59:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping I'll be back full strength next week.

1:59:45.000 --> 1:59:47.160
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