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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it? Joined as always my our bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barrs. William Shakespeare was

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Speaker 1: an English playwright, poet, and actor. Yeah, I'm not calling

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Speaker 1: him boom roasted, all right, fine, just like his official biography.

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Speaker 2: Disagree on Google? Yeah that Wikipedia real good source. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: this is not the point.

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Speaker 1: It's not the big like uh Britannica whatever. It is

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Speaker 1: the bit like the big book, the one that has.

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Speaker 2: All the big book with all the facts. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: let me let me finish mine.

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Speaker 1: Now Shakespeare ex Williams, Evan Lazarre, William Shakespeare. I was

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Speaker 1: and grinding tape and William Shakespeare.

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Speaker 2: Can you just let me finish the point? Uh no, no,

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Speaker 2: I got I got a lot of flak for for

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Speaker 2: that marine. Oh. You know, Evan doesn't know Shakespeare. Stick

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Speaker 2: to football, Evan, you don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Shakespeare wrote sonnets. He was amazing as a poet. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, like make bad eyes, Hamlet. You know, those

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Speaker 2: which was the point we were going after there that

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Speaker 2: Alex just you. You just didn't let me get it out. No, no,

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Speaker 2: no surprise there, Alex are you were a little questionable

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Speaker 2: for today's show though you were on the injury report. Listen,

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Speaker 2: is questionable with an illness. How you doing, buddy, how

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Speaker 2: you feeling.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing better. You're definitely gonna have more windows to

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Speaker 1: talk today. This is the first show I've done since

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Speaker 1: of any kind, since Sunday, So we'll see how my

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Speaker 1: voice holds up. Yeah, short today.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate I appreciate you toughing it out for us.

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Speaker 2: And you know, there's no Catch twenty two without without

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Speaker 2: either of us, right like then, there's just no show,

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Speaker 2: and there's a lot to talk about. So we're gonna

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Speaker 2: we're gonna push through, and Alex is gonna push through

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Speaker 2: for you guys. And I am upset for you, though,

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Speaker 2: Bart because it's we're gonna preview the Senior Bowl here

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Speaker 2: like your this is your super Bowl. You know, this

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Speaker 2: is one of your the biggest weeks out of the

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Speaker 2: get all your takes about Michael Pratt and whoever you

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Speaker 1: And you know that's not the quarterback I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have all the takes about. It's not Michael Pennix either.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, good teas, good teas. But before

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Speaker 2: or whatever, but both my goodness. Okay. So so we'll

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Speaker 2: get to the calls in a few minutes here, but

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Speaker 2: I want to start with the latest on the Patriots

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Speaker 2: coaching search, and Alex, I'm going to ask you, as

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Speaker 2: best as you possibly can to to walk me off

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a lunch here with the Patriots

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator search. We're texting about this a little bit

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Speaker 2: last night, but basically where we're at right now, the

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Speaker 2: Patriots have only interviewed two known candidates who are free

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Speaker 2: agents or not I shouldn't say free agents, but are

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Speaker 2: just available at the moment because Dan Pitcher in Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: he took the job as their offensive coordinator as everybody expected.

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Speaker 2: And Shane Waldron, who the Patriots did show some interest

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Speaker 1: But I think that Waldron was reported right until after

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Speaker 1: he took the job in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, So he takes the job in Chicago and

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Speaker 2: then it comes out after the fact that he did

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Speaker 2: now we have Zach Robinson, we have Nick Kyley, and

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Speaker 2: Here's my walking off the ledge moment. Here's my concern

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Speaker 2: So this allure of calling plays, I don't necessarily know

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Speaker 2: if that is that big of a thing, because these

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Speaker 2: the other thing, then you're Bobby Slowock, right like, then

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Speaker 1: Look, I think you just hit on a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: I think you're just under selling some of how big

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Speaker 1: you know, trying to like like with with with Brian Kallen,

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Speaker 1: well is it how much is Erk Penemy really doing?

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Speaker 1: the chief success you see what's happening now. But it's

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Speaker 1: a question people are going to ask no disrespect to

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Speaker 1: Jarrod Mayo, but nobody's gonna ask, well, is it really

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Speaker 1: Gerd Mayo's offense? Right, you are going to have pretty

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Speaker 1: much full autonomy. You should have full autonomy if you're

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Speaker 1: like you said, if the offense explodes here, nobody else

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Speaker 1: nobody And maybe like roster building, people get credit, mail

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Speaker 1: Crisp Clean schematically it's working, the quarterback's developed, you know

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Speaker 1: I would say the Patriots job is one of the

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Speaker 1: there are certainly attractive elements toon. Is it the most

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Speaker 1: attractive job, No, but it's hardly the least attractive job

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Speaker 1: Every time you text that to me, Because I've obviously

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Speaker 1: what does that mean for Bill? Because McDaniel's probably gonna

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Speaker 1: just I don't see it in that picture yet. Is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think when it comes to Zach Robinson,

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Speaker 2: you really if I'm Zach Robinson, I'm not sure I'm

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Speaker 2: taking the New England job. It just I think he's

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Speaker 2: part of the reason people are wondering, well, what's taking

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Speaker 2: until we know who those four hires are going to be.

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Speaker 2: And then now we still have some you know, teams

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Speaker 2: like last night Jim Harbaugh, you knows the coach of

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Speaker 2: the Chargers, Like those teams don't have staffs either. So

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Speaker 2: until some of these dominoes start to fall, you'd ever

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Speaker 2: of chip you know, uh, there's a lot of balls

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Speaker 1: He could he could get a better job this year,

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Speaker 1: Don't think they'll the last in the in the meetings,

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Speaker 2: You know, let's take Zach Robinson. You know, kind of

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Speaker 2: like Gerrod Mayo wants to go in a different direction

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Speaker 1: There was a report when Mayo first got hired that

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Speaker 2: I could see that. I mean, why wouldn't you be right?

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Speaker 2: And it's not going to be I mentioned to you

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Speaker 1: You do need to breathe on this stuff. It's once

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Speaker 2: It's just there's that's like that's the man like, because that's.

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Speaker 1: One thing if you text me when like somebody got

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of there's not a lot of

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Speaker 2: So all of those things make sense if like that's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Hodges is interesting because he was co defensive

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen before they both jumped to the NFL. So

430
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Speaker 1: those two guys that know each other have a working relationship,

431
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Speaker 1: and if you're Covington now you're running your own staff,

432
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: having a familiar face there definitely makes a ton of sense.

433
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Speaker 1: The other guy that really interests me you mentioned is

434
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Speaker 1: Parker simply because he's not a cornerbacks coach and he's

435
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: not a safety's coach. He's a defensive backs coach. Yeah,

436
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: that's his title. The Broncos don't employ people in those

437
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: two other titles. They have an assistant defensive backs coach.

438
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: But how many times have we heard Patriots corners and safeties.

439
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: We asked them about their position room and they say, well,

440
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: we're all defensive backs. We all consider ourselves one position

441
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: Like that is definite, and you see it with guys

442
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Speaker 1: like Jonathan Jones and guys like Miles Bryant. That is

443
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: definitely a core philosophy within the BUILDINGSOL. So a guy

444
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: with Christian Parker's experience working with both positions and kind

445
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: of tying them together in one group, if that's a

446
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: philosophy they want to carry over, talk about a guy

447
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: that has the perfect mindset to do that. I don't

448
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: know how many other teams I know some teams will

449
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: have a cornerbacks coach, a safeties coach, and then an

450
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: assistant defensive backs coach who kind of floats between the two.

451
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many teams just have one defensive

452
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Speaker 1: backs coach and nobody specifically with the corners or safety.

453
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Speaker 1: So if that's something the Patriots want to emphasize, talk

454
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: about a uniquely qualified guy to do that. Yeah, Andy,

455
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: Andy worked with I'm gonna be bad at Names today

456
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: Patricks Tan, right, and he helped with the rise of

457
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: Patrister Tan, which is a nice.

458
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: Thing, especially for Christian Gonzales. Right.

459
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Speaker 1: Bring him in and similar kind of player, very similar.

460
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Speaker 2: Kind of players. Christian Gonzalez has talked about Patrick Artan

461
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 2: is somebody that he watches and tries to emulate a lot.

462
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Speaker 2: So I could definitely see that those two guys working

463
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: well together. And like I said with Brian Belichick, with

464
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: Mike Pellegrino, if Bill gets the Falcons job, then those

465
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Speaker 2: two guys, I would say, there's a good chance that

466
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: they follow him to Atlanta. So you're starting over in

467
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Speaker 2: the secondary, is my point. Coaching wise, If you can

468
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Speaker 2: bring him a guy like Christian Parker in to be

469
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Speaker 2: the DB's coach, and then maybe you get him an

470
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Speaker 2: assistant and then that's he's sort of coordinating the back end.

471
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Speaker 2: And then DeMarcus Covington, who's got more experience up front

472
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Speaker 2: with the defensive line, he then coordinates the front end

473
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Speaker 2: of the defense in the in the the front seven

474
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Speaker 2: and the lion of scrimmage, and then you kind of

475
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: marry it together, right and that that that's how a

476
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: lot of teams have done it in the past, and

477
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Speaker 2: a lot of teams do it in general, going all

478
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Speaker 2: the way back to you know, Bill's days in Cleveland

479
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: with Nick Saban right where those two guys won was

480
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: according uh, more of a coverage, you know, secondary coach.

481
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Speaker 2: One of them was more of a front pressure type

482
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Speaker 2: of coach, and they were able to combine both of

483
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Speaker 2: their their brains and and build out a defense from

484
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Speaker 2: the inside out from there. So definitely a doable situation.

485
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Speaker 4: Uh.

486
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Speaker 2: I like that. The other thing I wanted to touch on,

487
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Speaker 2: and then we're gonna take the calls because I did.

488
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Speaker 2: The call screener is lit up. We have four people

489
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Speaker 2: on on hold of we really appreciated eight five to

490
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Speaker 2: five pats, five hundreds of the phone number We're gonna

491
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: get to all these in the second. Uh, Steve Belichick.

492
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Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see what happens with Steve.

493
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Speaker 1: Uh.

494
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Speaker 2: So I was talking, you know, I wrote a piece

495
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Speaker 2: on Patriots dot com, uh with a couple of the

496
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Speaker 2: former players, Devin mccordy, Dante high Tower, Ja mccollins, Brandon's

497
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Speaker 2: It was really fun to catch up with Brandon Spikes

498
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: by the way out Skuy, You'd like run through a

499
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: brick wall for you know that guy. Oh God, that

500
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: guy's got that just intensity, that that you just love.

501
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: Uh Staff right, Well, he's actually working at Florida with yeah,

502
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: with his alma mater. So he's a I don't know

503
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Speaker 2: if he has an official coaching title or for he's

504
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: more just kind of like a recruiter slash, you know,

505
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: football liaison type of person. But yeah, he's working down

506
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: in Florida right now. But uh, in general, you're just

507
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: talking to uh his guy's Devin mccordy kind of laid

508
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 2: out for me what exactly Drawed and Steve did behind

509
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 2: the scenes, because I know this was a big question

510
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: for a lot of people the last couple of years,

511
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: like who was doing what and it was it was

512
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: pretty much exactly what you might have thought, but it

513
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: was cool to have somebody that was in the building,

514
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Speaker 2: that was in the room actually lay out exactly how

515
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Speaker 2: it went. And uh. He said that Gerard was more

516
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: of like the motivator. He'd get up to the front

517
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Speaker 2: of the room. He'd lead a lot of the of

518
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: the meetings and be the guy that was, you know,

519
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: sort of the front facing guy. And he would get

520
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: up there and he would say, what the mentality, what

521
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: the mindset that they needed to play the game with,

522
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Speaker 2: And I'm this is me speaking, I'm kind of you know,

523
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: dis guessing, you know, things like we gotta stop the run,

524
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: we gotta do this, we gotta play tough in this pot.

525
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: You know, we gotta be physical here, like things like that, right,

526
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 2: more of like a mindset or an overall big picture

527
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: type of view on things. And then Steve would come

528
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: in and he would talk about how the game plan

529
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: and the calls that they were actually going to call

530
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Speaker 2: on the sheet, how those things would tie together to

531
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Speaker 2: the things that Gerard was talking about. So it was

532
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: like Gerard was like the motivator, big picture guy, and

533
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: then Steve was like the x's and o's this is

534
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: how we're actually gonna go out there and do it

535
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: type of guy. And that that worked. That relationship really worked.

536
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: Those two guys have been really close. We see them

537
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: around each other all the time, around the facility, on

538
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: the road, things like that. I think that there's a

539
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: really good argument to try to keep Steve around. And

540
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: I know he hasn't a formally interviewed for the defensive

541
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Speaker 2: coordinator position, and I know Mike Reese has floated out

542
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: maybe an assistant head coach title instead of a defensive coordinator,

543
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 2: but whatever it ends up being, whatever his title ends

544
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: up being, I would be making a pitch for Steve

545
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: to stay whether or not his father gets a job

546
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been on you with that, and I think

548
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: there's a case he does. You just look at the

549
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: personal element of it, having to move his family right

550
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: and all of that, and yeah, it's a good point.

551
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: You know, this is where he's from, obviously born and

552
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: raised here, So I look the draw coaching with his

553
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: dad is obviously significant. The other thing, and I don't

554
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: want to speak for him, but looking at it from

555
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, you figure Steve's gonna want to

556
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Speaker 1: coach after his dad is retired, and I think it

557
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: could help expediate that to kind of go out on

558
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: his own right. And he's not totally out on his

559
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: own in New England, and you know, we don't know

560
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: what his road would be. It's not like he's he

561
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: probably isn't going to be a coordinator out right, but

562
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, whatever he's in charge of has success here.

563
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: I think that probably helps expediate that process a little bit.

564
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, let's get to these calls.

565
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Speaker 2: I've never seen this before, Marine, I've never seen the

566
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Speaker 2: whole screen filled like this before. This is pretty cool,

567
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: all right, So let's let's go through the calls.

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Speaker 1: It's the off season, man, it's an off season showing people.

569
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Speaker 2: People are into it. Man, Eric is in New Jersey?

570
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: What's up? Eric?

571
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Speaker 4: Evan? I have to push back on, you know, one

572
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Speaker 4: of is, you know, one of the philosophies that you've

573
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Speaker 4: been you know, you've been staying for. You know, you

574
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 4: can't necessarily draft the receiver. I don't believe necessarily that

575
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 4: we have to draft Marvels and Harrison, but I just

576
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 4: really think that it's the quarterback that you're going to

577
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: get it. You know, you're fighting for Jaden Daniels. I

578
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: think May and Williams are going to go first. So

579
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: with that being because, I mean, look at look at

580
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: the Cleveland they had Joe Thomas, Joel Battino, Alex Mack.

581
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 4: They built that line up and get a quarterback behind that.

582
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Speaker 4: So I mean, I think there's a couple of ways

583
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Speaker 4: to get a cast, you know, to get to what

584
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: you need to get to. But but that being said,

585
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Speaker 4: you know who do you see if we had Jayden Daniels,

586
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: who would be the best offensive coordinator to work with here?

587
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Speaker 4: And I'll take it off the line, Thanks.

588
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Speaker 2: Doug, Thanks Eric. Yeah, so I've been I've been pushing

589
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: back a little bit, Alex as you could shocker could

590
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Speaker 2: imagine on the Marvin Harrison junior thing, because part of

591
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Speaker 2: it is, I'll be honest with you, I've I've heard

592
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Speaker 2: this take from so many different people on in my replies,

593
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Speaker 2: and I mentioned the calls we got to draft Marvin

594
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Speaker 2: Harrison junior. We got a draft Marvin Harrison junior. And

595
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Speaker 2: I just want to play Devil's advocate, right like, just

596
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: there is Yes, there are a lot of really good

597
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: arguments for taking Marvin Harrison Junior, but it's not the

598
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Speaker 2: only way to go. Just as the caller just said.

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Speaker 1: I can I give you a fun fact. I think

600
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are missing. Yes, Marvin Harrison Junior

601
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: is not the last wide receiver that will be available

602
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft. In fact, he's not the only

603
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: good one available this year, and there will be other

604
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: drafts after this year too, So just remind people that, yes,

605
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: he's a tremendous player, he's not the only good wide

606
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: receiver in college football. He won't be the only good

607
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: wide receiver in college football.

608
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. I just I subscribe to

609
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: the theory and this is just my take on roster building.

610
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: You can disagree with me, that's fine. But my take

611
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: on roster building is that you build from the inside out.

612
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: I think that the best teams are built from the

613
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Speaker 2: inside out. And I think that all the shiny new

614
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: toys in terms of the weapons or playmakers, whatever you

615
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: want to call them, on an offense, those always come

616
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: after for the most part, after you've built out the

617
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: other areas of your team. And I look at the

618
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: teams that are currently sitting in the championship weekend right now,

619
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Speaker 2: Alex and all four of these teams are built that way,

620
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: all four of them. And I'm talking about on offense.

621
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Speaker 2: And when I say inside out, yeah, the quarterback plays

622
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the field, so I count the

623
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Speaker 2: quarterback right, quarterback, offensive line. And then once you have

624
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: those that structure, quarterback, offensive line, offensive system. Once you

625
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 2: have that structure in place, that's when you make the

626
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: trade for Christian McCaffrey. That's when you go out and

627
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: you get you know, weapons in the draft like Detroit did,

628
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: Jamiir Gibbs, Sam Laporta, They did all those types of things.

629
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Speaker 2: These teams that are left standing have done all those

630
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: the extra cherries on top once they've already had the

631
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: rest of this stuff in place. So when the Lions

632
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: went into last year's draft, well, yeah, the Lions don't

633
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: need to take an offensive lineman because their offensive lines

634
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 2: absolutely loaded. So and they like Jared Goff so they

635
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: didn't have to take a quarterback. So Jamiir Gibbs and

636
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: Sam Laporta with two of their first three picks made

637
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: sense for them. Those are two skilled player guys and

638
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: positions of need for them that could come and put

639
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: them over the top. And that's exactly what it's done.

640
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: You look at baltim More, that team is completely built

641
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: from the InsideOut offensively because always and they are probably

642
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: one of the best roster building teams in the league

643
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Speaker 2: in my mind. So I am just looking at it

644
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: and I get it. Some Patriots fans look at it

645
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: and say, well, as a two to three year rebuild anyways,

646
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: so let's just take the best player available. The safest

647
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: pick is Marvin Harrison Junior because he's the most talented

648
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: player in the draft. And maybe you're right, Maybe you're

649
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: right about that. I just look at it the other way.

650
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: I look at it as Calvin Johnson in Detroit, Larry

651
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: Fitzgerald in Arizona until they had that one year with

652
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner, uh Careerrell, yeah, trel Owens his whole career,

653
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: and then right now, just a current example is Garrett

654
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: Wilson with the Jets, who has back to back a

655
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: thousand yard seasons offensive Rookie of the Year last year

656
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: with New York in twenty twenty two, and they can't

657
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: win anything, and why because they don't have a quarterback,

658
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: they don't have an offensive line that blocks well, they

659
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: have a lot of holes elsewhere on the roster. So, yes,

660
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: you could draft Marvin Harrison Junior and you could do it.

661
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: You could build it out properly around him and do

662
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: all these different types of things. But I just think

663
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: that that's I will always subscribe to the theory that

664
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: that's the last piece. The receiver is the last piece

665
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: that you add to it, because if you don't have

666
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: anybody that can block, and you don't have a quarterback

667
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: that can get him the ball, it's a waste. He's wasting.

668
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: You're wasting away the best years of his career in

669
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: the cheapest years of his career with a team around

670
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: him that can't get him the football.

671
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Speaker 1: There's very little evidence that you can start or rebuild

672
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: with a wide receiver successfully started rebuild. I mean, teams

673
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: have tried to do it. And I texted you this

674
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: this week. I actually feel like Patriots fans overrate Marvin

675
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior a little bit. Not in the sense that

676
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: he's not a great player, but he's not going to

677
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: come in and fix everything. He doesn't come in and

678
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: then suddenly you know you're a top ten offense. And

679
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: that's not to say like, yes, the lad no c

680
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: all right, So you hire an offense Cornadi, you add

681
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison junior. If you don't touch anything else, you're

682
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: still a bottom half offense in the league. Do you

683
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: tick up a little bit? Yeah? Probably, But you're talking about,

684
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: you know, compared to you look at Evan You've talked

685
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: about this, the Houston Texans being the model for the Patriots. Yeah,

686
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: you hit on the quarterback position. The Texans. I'm not

687
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: going to say that their receivers are bad, they're solid,

688
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: they're better than the Patriots. But do they have a

689
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison junior? Do they have a Gary Wilson? Do

690
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: they have that?

691
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 4: Real?

692
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: Like Tank Dell is a fun player, he's good, But

693
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean, is Nico Collins one of these like household names.

694
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: That's like, you know, the Texans are a perfect example.

695
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like.

696
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: They should be going and getting the number one receiver

697
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: this offseason right.

698
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Like exactly exactly. So that's where I look at it,

699
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: Like you look at what a quarterback can do compared

700
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: to you look at what a wide receiver can do.

701
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: And it is a rebuild. You are starting from scratch,

702
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: So why not shoot for the moon? Why not? Why

703
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: not go bigger go home, and that's taking a quarterback.

704
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: So I just you talk about the impact the the

705
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: position can have, nothing touches quarterback in terms of that impact.

706
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: And nobody's going to debate that. Even if you're a

707
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: big Margaret Harrison person, you can't debate that quarterback is

708
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: the ultimate impact position.

709
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I just I can't stress enough how terribly

710
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: awful the Patriots offensive line was last year. And this

711
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: is sort of that argument of let's take the quarterback

712
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: out of it for a second. Let's say they do

713
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: their homework on the quarterbacks and for whatever reason, they

714
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: just don't like them. Right. I'm not saying that I

715
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: agree with that, but let's just.

716
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: Kill you either. But we've and somebody said yesterday that

717
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: they like at least two of them. But I've said

718
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: this before, and I'll put the qualifier on it. If

719
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: you don't like the quarterback, don't take a quarterback just

720
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: to take a quarter.

721
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: Right, That's how you end up with Zach Wilson. So

722
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: you look at.

723
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: Well, no, they had options with Zach Wilson and they

724
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: still took him.

725
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: That's true, but there are other options. I don't think

726
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: we're I mean, justin field is a better option. I

727
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 2: shouldn't say that the offensive line was dead last IMpower

728
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: pluck win rate last year. I have no idea who's

729
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: coaching that group right now. I don't think it's going

730
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: to be Adrian klem So that's another opening that they're

731
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: going to have to fill. If you tell me that

732
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: between now and April, they re sign Mike on Winnu,

733
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: they acquire a veteran tackle that they feel like can

734
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: can not a Riley Reef right, like somebody that can

735
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: come in here and actually play right. And they're in

736
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: a new system with a good offensive line coach. And

737
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: when I say new system, this McVeigh Shanahan system, one

738
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: of the good things about it is that it's a

739
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 2: really it makes life a lot easier on the offensive

740
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: line because of how much they move the pocket. So

741
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: that allows the quarter It almost allows this scheme to

742
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: protect the quarterback in a lot of ways, so you're

743
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: not making the offensive line, you know, leaving them out

744
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: to dry as much and just like straight drop back

745
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: type of situations. So if you're telling me that they

746
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: do all four of those things on when who upgraded

747
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: veteran tackle? Offensive line code? Who I like and a

748
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: scheme that I like. Then maybe we can get to

749
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: April and say I would take mgh over Joe Alt.

750
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 2: But until I checked all four of those boxes, I'm

751
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: taking the tackle, I'm taking the blindside protector. I'm building

752
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: it out through the line of scrimmage just like Detroit did.

753
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to play play man football, like you

754
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: like to say, Alex, right, like you know, play a

755
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: little man football for a little while, and hopefully you

756
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: find that quarterback some way, somehow. The Lions found it

757
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: with Jared Goff just trading for Jared Goff Matthew Stafford.

758
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: Maybe they find it in the second round. Maybe it's Penix,

759
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: maybe it's Bo Nix. I take the say up, but

760
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: maybe it's JJ McCarthy right like something like that. Yeah,

761
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: but maybe that's the direction that they go in. But again,

762
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: this is like an argument that we're gonna have for

763
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: the next four months of if not quarterback, do you

764
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: go tackle or receiver? And I'm just saying in that situation,

765
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: if not quarterback, I'm going tackle. That's where I'm at.

766
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: And I think part of it is too, you have

767
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: to factor because I saw some people in the chat say, oh,

768
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: if you don't draft Marvin Harrison junior, or and you

769
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback who's he throwing it to? There's free

770
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: agency just rounds two through seven. The reality of the

771
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: quarterback position is outside of some massive I don't want

772
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: to say flukes, but not like brock parties in an omaly.

773
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: You can't build your off season around planning to find

774
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: Brock Party in the seventh round. That's just not it's

775
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: not gonna work.

776
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: And there's also right, and there's also the side of

777
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: it that you know, I've laid this out before. Yeah,

778
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: you need there's three elements of offense, right, it's system,

779
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: it's receivers, it's four I guess quarterback, offensive line. Right,

780
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: like those four boxes, you can probably running you can No,

781
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting running backs. You can probably do it with

782
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: two or three out of the four. You can do it.

783
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: You can if you have a really good offensive line

784
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: and you have a really good quarterback, you can probably

785
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: make do with lesser than receivers. Just like the rock

786
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: Party model of the opposite is.

787
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: Sure, you also don't need to have lesser than receivers. Again,

788
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: to go back to the Texans, they found Tank Dell

789
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: as serviceable player in what the third round? The third round,

790
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: where did they get Nico Collins. You look at some

791
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: of the top young receivers in the league. These guys

792
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: are day two, day three picks in this draft. Evan,

793
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready for the Senior Bowl here and I

794
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: usually pick you know, three or four players in each

795
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: position to highlight when I write my preview, I can't

796
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: shop any of these receivers. I mean, this is as

797
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: deep a wide receiver class as we've seen in a

798
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: long time. You can get guys who will be legitimate playmakers,

799
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: not just like there in filling out a roster spot.

800
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: But now you have to find the right guy. That's

801
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: not saying it'll be all of them. You got to

802
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: find the right guy develop them. But there are guys

803
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: to be found and developed on Day two and maybe

804
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: even early day three that you know have thousand yard potential,

805
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: that have at the very least low level wide receiver one,

806
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: high level wide receiver two potential. And that's at the least.

807
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: You know, there's guys not named Marvin Harrison Junior in

808
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: this class that will maybe even go on Day two

809
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: that have the potential to be Pro bowlers. So you

810
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: can't say that about quarterback. You can't say it as

811
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: much about tackle. You do a little bit. We'll get

812
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: into that, but yeah, there's just and then you go

813
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: to free agency too, you go to the trade market.

814
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: There's so many other ways to get wide receivers. Again,

815
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior is not the only wide receiver who

816
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: will be available in NFL history, and I feel like

817
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: some people losing sight.

818
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: Of the we're also looking at. Like to your point,

819
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: you look across the playoffs this year, you know, you

820
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: look in Houston. Nico collins Is has a breakout year

821
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: with CJ. Stroud. Tank Dell was on that trajectory until

822
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: he got hurt. Both those guys are mid round draft picks.

823
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: You look in Green Bay Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs

824
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 2: both mid round draft picks. Jaden Reid also a mid

825
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: round draft pick. None of those guys are for round picks.

826
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: You look in Detroit. Personally, I a Monroe Saint Brown

827
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: going where he went was because sometimes teams overthink it.

828
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 2: A Monroe Saint Brown was awesome at USC. The big

829
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: reason why he went later was because of his forty times,

830
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: because of his size. Right, like those types of things,

831
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: but he was he was a football player. He was

832
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: a baller at USC and his tape was phenomenal, but

833
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: he falls in the draft because of his size and

834
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: things like that. Sam laporta early second round pick, So

835
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: that all these teams that are are left standing, I

836
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: guess besides the Niners, but even Brandon Niyuk was a

837
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: late first round guy. Like he wasn't you know, top

838
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: ten type of pick, right, So none of these teams

839
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: that are left standing right now. Zay Flowers early twenties

840
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: right last year with the Baltimore Ravens.

841
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, the Patriots can realistically get to

842
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: if they find a wide receiver in that range.

843
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 5: They really like.

844
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: There really isn't a whole lot of teams in this

845
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: playoffs that have gone far with the number one bona

846
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 2: fide you know, Jamar Chase, and I'm it obviously has

847
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 2: happened in recent years, so I'm not saying it's never happened,

848
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: but Tyreek Kill Jamar Chase have done it. But other

849
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: than that, you know, the this year has been a

850
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: good year for what I'm trying to kind of trying

851
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: to say, which is the entire roster building through the

852
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage building through the quarterback. You know, things

853
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: like that. This these teams are not loaded with like

854
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: first round Marvin Harrison junior type receiver talent. They might

855
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: have guys that have gotten to you know, Pro Bowls

856
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: or a thousand yard receiving years because of their talent,

857
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: but it was later on in the draft. So it's

858
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: a good point. All right, Let's go to Max Is

859
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. What's up. Max?

860
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, I'm curious which players on the roster and

861
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 5: and fur agency you see it is a better or

862
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 5: worse fit with a makes a offense. I know you

863
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 5: mentioned to Mario Douglas already. You know it'll be interested

864
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 5: and how you think he might be used, you know's

865
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 5: a way to scale up what the Rams did with

866
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 5: too to out well this year. And then curious if

867
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 5: you think of when it would still be heap to

868
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 5: fit at right tackle.

869
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 6: Thanks?

870
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Max, it's a good question on on one two

871
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: because you know he's a bigger power downhill run blocker

872
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: at the position if they're going to run outside zone

873
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: here Alex, and it's not it's not a great fit

874
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: to have a three and forty pound tackle you know,

875
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: trying to block a stretch run that that's just not

876
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: really what what that's all about. Do I think that

877
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: he could do it? Yeah? Absolutely, I think he's just

878
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: he's good enough. He's just talented enough to be able

879
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: to do it. Is it a perfect fit?

880
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: No?

881
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 2: And in reality, you know a guy like Cole Strange City,

882
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: So those guys are a little bit more athletic and

883
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: they'll a little bit have a little bit more you know,

884
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: range and athleticism at their positions for the interior in

885
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: that type of system. Another guy, not that anybody wants

886
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: him back necessarily, but Trent Brown is definitely not a

887
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: fit for that type of scheme. So if they go

888
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: in that direction, it would be interesting to see what

889
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: if they end up prioritizing on when WU on the

890
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: same level, because I don't think that it's a great

891
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: fit in terms of what they would want to do

892
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: schematically versus his skill set.

893
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. It, And that's why some of this stuff with

894
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: the free agency and the draft at certain positions, like

895
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: we'll get into alignment and receivers, Like you said, we

896
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: got to talk a little bit generally still, and I

897
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: hate We've been doing this for months now, but it's

898
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: who's coaching the team, right, Yeah, that's where that thing

899
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: comes back.

900
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would actually be pretty fascinated to see

901
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 2: how they they view on WHENU if they do hire

902
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 2: Zach Robinson.

903
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: You know what, at the same time, Zach Robinson's this

904
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: like offensive genius incorporated three hundred and forty pounds tackle

905
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: in a West Coast scheme. Maybe there's a way to

906
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: do that.

907
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: You certainly can and you know, there's certain elements I

908
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 2: should say of that scheme that on when it would

909
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: be perfectly perfectly fine at it and probably really good

910
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: at you know, they in LA after the Super Bowl

911
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: against the Patriots where they lost and only scored three points.

912
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: A big part of what McVeigh did, other than that

913
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: obviously upgrading to Matthew Stafford, but a big part of

914
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: what McVeigh did was he he incorporated more downhill run

915
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: into their offense. Because teams were just sitting on the

916
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: edges on the outside zone stuff. So he did incorporate

917
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: a lot more duo in particular to run downhill and

918
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: stress people in between the numbers so that they couldn't

919
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 2: just put double edges out or six to one fronts

920
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: like the Patriots used in that Super Bowl and just

921
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: line up guys all across the front and you know,

922
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: blow up outside zone because we can come at you

923
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: if we have to, if that's how you're gonna play us.

924
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: So in that respect, on when who obviously fits that

925
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: box right, he can. You know, he's great on on

926
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: double teams, duo schemes, things like that, and he would

927
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: be fine in their dropback pass game, you know, when

928
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: it comes to third down, you know, when it comes

929
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: to two minutes, when it comes to those types of situations,

930
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: he'd be perfectly fine in their Way Coast, you know

931
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: what is more like a traditional West Coast package. When

932
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: they get into that type of offense, their early down

933
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: stuff is obviously very heavy outside zone. But when again

934
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: at the third down, it's just it's a normal drop

935
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: back passing game. Like it's obviously a little bit different

936
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: than what the Patriots are currently doing, but it's it's

937
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: cut from the same cloth and everything is so on

938
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: when we would be fine in like three out of

939
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: the four phases, it's just the base of that offense

940
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 2: is outside zone, and he would not be a great

941
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: fit in the base element of that scheme.

942
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: So that could probably you could probably tell me if

943
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: this is a comp better or you tell me how

944
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: good of a compass is. But in twenty twenty one

945
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: they made it work with the three hundred and thirty

946
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: pound thirty nine year old Andrew Whitworth, who wasn't that

947
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: mobile at the time. Right, If Whitworth can make it work,

948
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: and I think he was on the left side right, so.

949
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's playing the left tackle and Whitworth I

950
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: do remember him being pretty. It's not so much about

951
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: if you can cover ten to fifteen side to side.

952
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: I think it's more about like those reach blocks on

953
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage or things like that, like if

954
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 2: you're if you're out leverage and you have to reach

955
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: the three technique as the tackle and he's playing inside

956
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: of you, do you have the foot speed? Do you

957
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: have the explosiveness out of your stance to then get

958
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: inside of him and turn him out? Those types of

959
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: things are difficult to do when you're when you're that size.

960
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: So that's why a guy like on On WHENU or

961
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: Trent Brown like they just want to come right at you.

962
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: They don't want to have to be moving laterally, and

963
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: I I it's not impossible for on Whenno to fit it,

964
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: and I have seen him block outside zone in the

965
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: past pretty well. It just is a much smaller sample

966
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: size of what they've done here.

967
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got I got you all right?

968
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: Mo Is in Orlando? What's up Moe?

969
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, longtime listener. First on Color, I gotta say

970
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 7: enjoy any content that you guys put out. Thank you

971
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 7: on this uh, you know, offseason moves and with New

972
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 7: England having so much money to really spend, I really

973
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 7: think that there is a path that we could really

974
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 7: set New England's offense up for success.

975
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: Like in the here and now.

976
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 7: First step, I think resign one. You give him a

977
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 7: tackle money if you have to, but I would put

978
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 7: him at right guard. Go get yourself, Jonah Williams from

979
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 7: the Bengals. There's your right tackle. Now here's where you

980
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 7: guys might not like it so much, but you resigned

981
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 7: Trent bound short short term deal and you then you

982
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 7: draft like a developmental tackle on the third and have

983
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 7: him take over once once Brown is gone. That would

984
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 7: leave City so shifting over to left guard. Strange is

985
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 7: now the odd man out. If David Andrews retires, you

986
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 7: could try and develop him at center, or just you know,

987
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 7: move up Jake Andrews as a starter, resigned Hunter Henry

988
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 7: and Perrel Brown, draft another tight end and try and

989
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 7: get yourself t Higg and free agency. Sounds like he

990
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 7: might just come back on They just might franchise tag him.

991
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 7: So if that's not possible, I think Mike Evans might

992
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 7: be more realistic that way. When it comes to your

993
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 7: third pick, take your quarterback. Hopefully May is there. I

994
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 7: wouldn't mind Daniels, but I think May might be the

995
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 7: better fit. And draft another receiver in the second round,

996
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 7: and as well as Kendrick Bourne if you can the

997
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 7: player's d and I just want to see if you

998
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 7: guys agree if this is realistic or if this is

999
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 7: something that the Patriots could actually, you know, make work.

1000
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 7: So I'll take my question off the Ears. Thank you guys.

1001
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: Thanks Mo. That was a lot. But I I in

1002
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: terms of like my dream offseason, I think Moe hit

1003
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: on a lot of the same things that I would

1004
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: hit on.

1005
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 1: I would say, besides the offensive line stuff, he pretty

1006
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: much nailed it right.

1007
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: It's basically you're you're looking at, you know, go after

1008
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: the big fish in the receiver market and the in

1009
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 2: free agency, whether it's t Higgins, Michael Pittman, Mike Evans

1010
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: by the way, yeah he's a good player, Calvin Ridley,

1011
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: you know whoever it ends up being. Bring Kendrick burn back,

1012
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: and then draft one of these you know, deep receiver class.

1013
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 2: Draft one of these guys in the third round, second,

1014
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: third round, right, and then you're looking at a receiver

1015
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 2: room of Michael Pittman, Junior Kendrick Bourne, the Mario Douglas

1016
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: and whoever the guy is that you draft in the

1017
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: in on Day two. Uh, that's a pretty good room.

1018
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: And then maybe you know the a Juju, a Devonte Parker,

1019
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: a Taekwon Thornton are still here to fill it out, right,

1020
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: you know, fill out the depth chart. Right, that's a

1021
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: strong room.

1022
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 8: Uh.

1023
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: It's not an elite room, but it's definitely better than

1024
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 2: what you have.

1025
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 5: Uh.

1026
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: Then you look at the NFL. Yeah, especially if you

1027
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: know the Day two guy is.

1028
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: Good, especially like you assuming you hit on that guy.

1029
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you're looking at uh the offensive line. I

1030
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 2: have no, I have very little, you know, love it

1031
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: anymore for Trent Brown, Like I'm all, I would much

1032
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: rather see them go in a different direction than Trent Brown.

1033
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: He mentioned He mentioned Jonah Williams. Right, Jonah Williams, I

1034
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: think is an intriguing project of like just can he

1035
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: bounce back from the injuries and maybe you get that

1036
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: first round talent out of him. But I would be

1037
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: cool with that as like a bridge to somebody that

1038
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: you draft, But you have to have a more concrete

1039
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: long term plan than Jonah Williams. Jonah Williams not going

1040
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: to be your tackle for the next five years. Maybe

1041
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: he's your tackle in twenty twenty four if he can

1042
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: stay on the field, but he's not going to be

1043
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: your tackle long term. So I'd look at that and

1044
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: maybe as like a bridge, kind of like what they

1045
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: tried to do with Trent Brown in eighteen. Right, Isaiah

1046
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: win Right, I'm am I ready to give up on

1047
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: Cole Strange. My biggest problem with Cole Strange right now

1048
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: Alex is not necessarily film or what he was putting

1049
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: out there. It's durability. There's a chance that he's just

1050
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: not maybe too small right to play the interior and

1051
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: maybe if you move him the center that helps. Usually

1052
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: you can get away with it a little bit more

1053
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 2: at center in terms of size and things like that.

1054
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: But something this year he was injury riddle, you know,

1055
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: basically didn't have a training camp because of injury, in

1056
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 2: and out of the lineup at times, and then he

1057
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: is completely out of the lineup to end the year

1058
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: with the knee injury. So I think that durability is

1059
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: a big question mark with him. But I do think

1060
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: that he was getting better in terms of what he

1061
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: was putting on film and city. So I like him

1062
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: at right guard. I think that he's a good fit there.

1063
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: What I mind flipping him to left guard, know, but

1064
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 2: I still think that out of all of the plan

1065
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: that he just laid out, the one thing that I

1066
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: would maybe push back on a little bit is that

1067
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: they have to have a more premium mass set at

1068
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: the tackle position, whether that's the thirty fourth pick in

1069
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 2: the draft, whether that's trading for more established veteran tackle,

1070
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. I need to have a

1071
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: really good plan of how we're going to address left tackle.

1072
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. You're just you're you're moving a bunch

1073
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: of pieces around. You're not really solving anything in the

1074
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: plan that he laid out, and I think you want

1075
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: to have I'm not saying you're gonna have all five

1076
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: spots figured out for the next five years. But you

1077
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: want to have you want to come out of the

1078
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: offseason with more direction on the offensive line. And again

1079
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: what he laid out right now, you have a first

1080
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: round pick, bench, you're moving a rookie to his second

1081
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: position to two years. Both your tackles are bridge guys.

1082
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: You drafted a project player, but they have project players.

1083
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: Like what it's different? But is it better?

1084
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that's fair. I think that one of the

1085
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: more underrated things about this offseason is offensive line coach.

1086
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: Like who they bring in to coach the line is

1087
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: such a massive, massive higher for this team right now,

1088
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: and I'm hoping that they're going to hit this. They're

1089
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: going to do better than the last time. When they

1090
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: hire a drink, we'll see. I mean that's gonna be

1091
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,959
Speaker 2: a the offensive coordinator. Yeah, yeah, it's a big higher,

1092
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: you know. I think offensive line coach coach in terms

1093
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: of position coaches like going down from the coordinator level.

1094
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: I think offensive line coach is the most important assistant

1095
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: coach on your on your entire staff.

1096
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: I'd still go quarterbacks coach, but I'll give offensive line coach.

1097
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: Well, I guess I usually assume the offensive coordinator has

1098
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: a big hand in the quarterback, So I lessen some

1099
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 2: of the past.

1100
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: If you're for the Patriots, if you're going to have

1101
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback, that offensive quarterbacks, that quarterbacks coach is

1102
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: so important. If you're a team with an established quarterback,

1103
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: then yeah, like in a bubble offensive line.

1104
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a huge deal.

1105
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 3: Uh.

1106
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: And the last thing there that I wanted to touch

1107
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: on what I'm trying to follow all these steps here,

1108
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Hunter Henry. I would look to retain Hunter Henry.

1109
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: I like his idea of bringing back Hunter Henry and

1110
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: Pharaoh Brown and then and then drafting a tight end

1111
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: some maybe like you know, on day three at.

1112
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: Some part three. I think Hunter Henry is a very

1113
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: clear franchise tag can that it would actually be a

1114
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: decrease in pay from last year, sets him up as

1115
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: a bridge and then you draft his replacement. He also adds,

1116
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, veteran leadership to a room that's going to

1117
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of change.

1118
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: There you go, I look at Hunter Henry and I

1119
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: look at their tackle spot Alex, and just this is

1120
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: what happens when you ignore needs and you keep on

1121
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: kicking cans down the road. We've been talking about drafting

1122
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: tackle and drafting a developmental tight end to pass the

1123
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: torch to really at both spots. But you know, tackle

1124
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: hopefully more immediate solve and then tight end. Yeah, you

1125
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: have Hunter Henry under contract, you had Jonny Smith under contract,

1126
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 2: you had Mica Sicky whatever. But they never really had

1127
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 2: anybody in the pipeline. And this is a big reason

1128
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: why I don't think that that Bill Belichick is here anymore,

1129
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: is because they stopped planning ahead for these types of holes.

1130
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: We we've been talking so offseason after season.

1131
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: If I can just pre characterize that, I think it's

1132
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: it's a mix between stopped planning ahead and got behind

1133
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: the sticks because of poor asset management, right, Like, yeah,

1134
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: if Isaay works out, they don't need a plan ahead,

1135
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: Like it it's a backup. There was a backup of needs.

1136
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: But we've been talking about tackle as like a premium

1137
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: need on this team, like they need to do something

1138
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: big to address this for two or three off seasons.

1139
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: Now I want to say.

1140
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: It's more than that. I think it's as long as

1141
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: me and you've covered the team.

1142
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: Since Isaiah Win, I would say for me, since Isaiah

1143
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: Win went belly up, right, Like, since we figured out

1144
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: like maybe nineteen twenty times, you know, somewhere around there,

1145
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: that Isaiah Win was not the answer that that has

1146
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: become a real big need for this team. Last year,

1147
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: we talked at nauseum about the free agent market at tackle,

1148
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: the guys in the draft at tackle, and they did neither,

1149
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: like Riley Reeve and con and Calvin Anderson is doing neither.

1150
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: Like I'm sorry, I.

1151
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: Don't think we talked about either of those guys until

1152
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: they were signed.

1153
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there we were thinking bigger. You know, I

1154
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: understand that not all of those guys. You know, PFF

1155
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: would tell you that not all of those guys from

1156
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: the free agency class last year panned out for their teams.

1157
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: Like mcglinchy I think had a pretty roughy year in Denver,

1158
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: But like, I don't necessarily put a ton into that

1159
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: because that doesn't necessarily mean what they would have done here.

1160
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: And it was such a big need that Orlando Brown,

1161
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: Juwan Taylor, Mike mcglinchy, Caleb McGarry, like all even an

1162
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: Andre Dillard, who I know I also didn't have a

1163
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: great year where he was at was a Tennessee. Uh yeah, Tennessee. Yes,

1164
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: those guys were just they were better bets than what

1165
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: they ended up with, and they cheaped out at it

1166
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: because I think they looked at it and said, we're

1167
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: paying for C plus talent, which normally I would say

1168
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 2: I would agree with. But I think on the offensive line,

1169
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: you can having just like a solid starter at a

1170
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: spot is way more valuable than some other places on

1171
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: the team. It's way more valuable to just have a

1172
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: guy that's not going to completely sink your offense at

1173
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: the at a tackle spot. Then let's just say, you know,

1174
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 2: having like a league average receiver. I think that really

1175
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: helps you out a ton because it just allows you

1176
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: to be a functional offense. That's what offensive line play is. Yeah,

1177
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: you can have a dominant offensive line like the Detroit

1178
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: Lions do, and that can be like a tone for

1179
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: your team, right, Like that can really set the tone

1180
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: of how you are as a football team. But you

1181
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: can also just have an offensive line that doesn't screw

1182
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: it up. And you have to at least be at

1183
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: that baseline. You have to be at the not screw

1184
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: it up baseline, and guys like mcglinch, mclinchy guys like

1185
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: Orlando Brown, they would have done that for this team.

1186
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: They would have been able to be c plus starters,

1187
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: if not more than that for this team, and they

1188
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: pass on it. So here we are again talking about

1189
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: offensive line, and now they have other holes too, and

1190
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: the third overall pick in the draft is probably going

1191
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 2: to go to a quarterback. So now we're really talking

1192
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: about offensive line at thirty four or at sixty eight

1193
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: because the offensive line free agency class, let me tell

1194
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: you it is horrible, Alex. It's it's a dark place.

1195
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: Like Miken Win, who is the best one and he's

1196
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: the guy.

1197
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: You're in a half and Trent Brown might be second.

1198
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trent Brown might be the second best tackle available

1199
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: on the market, Like Tyron Smith is available, but he's

1200
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: either going to stay in Dallas or retire, I would think,

1201
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: And you know, then you have you're going down and

1202
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: guy guys like Jonah Williams who are more like rehabilitation projects.

1203
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: So it's a tough it's tough sledding in the tackle

1204
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: market right now in free agency. All right, Mark is

1205
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?

1206
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 9: Hey?

1207
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: Guys?

1208
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 8: How you guys are doing today?

1209
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: Good?

1210
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 8: So got a good one here?

1211
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: For you.

1212
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 8: So I've been torn between Marvin Harrison Junior or Jaden

1213
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 8: Daniels now for a while, but we're forgetting that there

1214
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 8: is a beast of a tight end in this draft

1215
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 8: who is a generational talent, and that's Rock Powers. And

1216
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 8: we've been needing a tight end for a long time.

1217
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 8: So what about moving back for spot, picking up another

1218
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 8: second round pick or whatever you get for it, and

1219
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 8: you can pick Rock Powers and then in the second

1220
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 8: round you can pick a bow Nicks type of person.

1221
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 8: You can get your tackle, and then on the third

1222
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 8: round you can pick a receiver. I just figured, maybe

1223
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 8: you know, we can get you know, a couple of

1224
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 8: pieces by doing that. I just wanted you guys just

1225
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 8: take on that.

1226
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Mark. So, Alex, have you

1227
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 2: heard mel Kiper's name for the nine offensive prospects at

1228
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 2: the top of the draft. I think he's no. I

1229
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 2: think he called them the nifty nine, which I hate.

1230
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: We need to do better. We need to do better

1231
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: than that. But the point, you know, to Mark's call

1232
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: here is that the consensus board that we use right now, Alex,

1233
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: the mock Draft database consensus board, it's nine in a

1234
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: row offensive players at the top one through nine all offense.

1235
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ultimately so that's the consensus board.

1236
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: That's not the consensus mock. I think you're going to

1237
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: see nine offensive players unanswered. All right, well, the consensus

1238
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: mock has seven offensive players in a row. And then

1239
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: Dallas Turner jumps in.

1240
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I wanted to talk about these guys because

1241
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 2: I've I've now watched all nine of them. So you

1242
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: have the three, you have the three quarterbacks, right, have

1243
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, Drake May, Jayden Daniels, who we've talked about enough.

1244
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: You have the three receivers, Marvin Harrison, Junior Malik Neighbors,

1245
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: Roma Dunze. And then you have the two tackles. You

1246
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 2: have Joe Alt and Olofashanu, and then you have brock Bowers, right.

1247
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: And brock Bowers is the last one that I watched

1248
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 2: because probably the least likely to draft a tight end.

1249
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 2: But you've been talking about brock Bowers for two years,

1250
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: which is you know, typical. But he I mean, he's

1251
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: he's outrageous, like I don't know how else to describe it,

1252
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 2: Like he's he's terrific. He's as complete of a tight

1253
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 2: end as I've seen in the draft in the last

1254
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: four or five years. You know, there are other guys that, like,

1255
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, t J. Hawkinson coming out was a really

1256
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 2: good blocker. You know, he probably was as good of

1257
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: a point of attack blocker as brock Bowers is. I

1258
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 2: thought Sam Laporter was as good potentially as a receiver,

1259
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: but the whole package of being able to block and

1260
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: being able to impact the pass game like he does,

1261
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen it. The comp that

1262
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: I think is probably pretty fair is George Kittle. I

1263
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 2: think that's exactly how he plays, not exactly the most

1264
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, quick twitch at the top of the route

1265
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: like Laporte is, like he's not a big change of

1266
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 2: direction guy, but he's extremely explosive up the seam. He's

1267
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: really a vertical threat at the position, like he can

1268
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: run the scene, he can run the wheel, he can

1269
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 2: run a post crossing route like he can get open

1270
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 2: on the vertical plane. And then he's also got an

1271
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: unbelievable ability as a ballcarrier, like really elite, elite yat guy.

1272
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 2: And then you add in the blocking too. That's extremely

1273
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: valuable for an offense to have a tight end that's

1274
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 2: that versatile and I have to admit watching him block

1275
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 2: and watching him block with his hand in the dirt,

1276
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 2: it does. It really did like hit home with me

1277
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: that I was like, man, you know, this is so valuable.

1278
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: You know, not to pick on Hunter Henry or whatever,

1279
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 2: but the Patriots haven't truly had an extra offensive lineman

1280
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: type at blocking at the end the line of scrimmage

1281
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: since Gronk and that just watching the Georgia offense and

1282
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: how valuable he is as a blocking chip, whether it's

1283
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: in line, whether it's detached from the formation where he

1284
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: can you know, block at the point of attack on

1285
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: a screen or jet sweep or something like that. He's

1286
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 2: a rare specimen. But it it just doesn't make a

1287
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: ton of sense in terms of the positional value, you know,

1288
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 2: and all that type of stuff. But in terms of talent,

1289
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 2: generational talent, I would say at the position, I.

1290
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: Mean, Evan, how many times the last few years the

1291
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: top tight end in the draft is always annointed baby Gronk, right,

1292
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 1: and remember last year, But you can't miss Michael Mayor,

1293
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: you can't miss Michael Mayor. Excuse me, I was like,

1294
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: can't miss Michael Mayor, can't miss Michael mahyor you could,

1295
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: you could the whole baby Gronk thing. This is this

1296
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: is the eye. And I'm not saying he is gronk.

1297
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: Nobody's gronk, but like, if you were going to give

1298
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: anybody that title, uh, he is, I would say he's

1299
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: the best tight end prospect definitely since Kyle Pitts. Let's

1300
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: not forget how elite Pits was. And I don't think

1301
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: that was a miss evaluation. I think the Falcons just

1302
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: don't know how to use them. Yeah, and I mean

1303
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: you go back before him. To find another tight end

1304
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: to that that level, you got to go way back,

1305
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: like way way. I'm still scrolling here. It's been a while.

1306
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: So he's a tremendous player. He's a tremendous all around player.

1307
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: I think some of it goes back to what we

1308
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: talked about with Harrison. It's just so hard to start

1309
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: or rebuild at that position. He's more, you know, that's

1310
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: the kind of guy you take when you have a

1311
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: high first round pick because you traded for a pick

1312
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: or your quarterback was hurt, right Like, you look at

1313
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: like a team like the Chargers, that the Chargers, the Bears.

1314
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that have a decent roster around, you know,

1315
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 2: already going in the right direction parsonnel wise, and then

1316
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 2: you add brock Bowers next to Keenan Allen next to

1317
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: Mike Williams, like that, that becomes a real factor. So,

1318
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: Michael Mayer, I'm glad you brought brought those guys up. Like,

1319
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: Michael Mayer, to me, the cop was always like a

1320
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: hunter Henry. As a receiver, he's a better blocker, but

1321
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: I just mean in terms of the receiving uh side

1322
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: of things, where he's a really steady receiver, but he

1323
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: wasn't an explosive guy, right Like, He's not like a

1324
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: big play type of player, whereas like Laporta was more

1325
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 2: of that explosive, big play receiver, but he didn't have

1326
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 2: the blocking chops. So, like to keep it in perspective

1327
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: with brock Bowers, I think that he's like a combination

1328
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: of the two of those guys, right Like, he is

1329
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 2: a receiver like Laporta, but he's a blocker like Mayor,

1330
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: and that is just as a really really rare blocker

1331
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 2: like Washington. It's a really rare well, Donald Washington found out,

1332
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 2: you know, Anthony Jennings told.

1333
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: Donald Anthony Jennings this year.

1334
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: That's not fair.

1335
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, no nobody could block him this year,

1336
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: like it wasn't just Darnel Washington. So give Anthony Jennings credit.

1337
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: That's fair. But yeah, I I you can't deny, you know,

1338
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: watching these guys, you know, through the top of the

1339
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 2: draft here. I feel the same way about Melik Neighbors.

1340
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 2: Like Milik Neighbors is a fantastic prospect too. His ability

1341
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 2: it's not just like that he's fast in a straight line,

1342
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: but he's got that ability to gear down, which I love,

1343
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 2: which like you can start at you know, first gear,

1344
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: and then as you're running the route, you go from

1345
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 2: one to six right six gear you know in a

1346
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 2: car analogy here like that that allows you to really

1347
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: vary speeds and pacing and things like that. That's how

1348
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: you create separations. So he's one of those guys that

1349
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 2: Melik Neighbors will like lull you to sleep, low you

1350
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,479
Speaker 2: to sleep, and then all of a sudden he turns

1351
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: on the jets and nobody can come can come close

1352
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 2: to reaching that type of acceleration and he's just by you.

1353
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: And that's a rare, rare talent too, that he pops

1354
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 2: off the film at you with that.

1355
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,959
Speaker 1: This is something I've talked about, but now that you've

1356
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 1: watched these guys, I can finally ask you this. Yeah,

1357
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: how many of these receivers in this class? How deep

1358
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: into this class was Uintin Johnson was the first end

1359
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: up being the first place in the draft last year?

1360
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 3: Right?

1361
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: Wasn't him?

1362
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 9: Or was it z A?

1363
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: I can't right? They all went around, Yeah, I all

1364
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: went in a row.

1365
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: I want to I want to say that that you're

1366
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: I'll look it up, but keep going.

1367
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: It was JSN is JSN at twenty? How far into

1368
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: this class would you rank JSN? So you know I'm

1369
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: not a key on Coleman guy, Right, So I would

1370
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: just watch Brian Thomas.

1371
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 2: I haven't watched Brian Thomas specifically yet, but I obviously

1372
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 2: saw him with when I was watching Daniels and Neighbors.

1373
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 2: So I've I've watched LSU film and nat see.

1374
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,799
Speaker 1: I watched Troy Franklin. But you don't watch Brian.

1375
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know I watched Troy Franklin because I

1376
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 2: I I I had seen some things on Twitter about

1377
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: Troy Franklin and I kind of thought I was gonna

1378
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 2: like him, and I kind of did like him, so

1379
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 2: I wanted I was curious, so I jumped to him.

1380
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: You're not curious about Brian Thomas, not.

1381
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 2: As much because I feel like Brian Thomas is in

1382
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 2: like a weird spot of the draft for the Patriots.

1383
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: Oh, He's in a great spot in the draft for

1384
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: the Patriots. You think I think he's gonna ate first

1385
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: early second.

1386
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think he's gonna last that long.

1387
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: You think he might move on right, fair enough?

1388
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 2: I think he's probably going at the I think he's

1389
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 2: going early twenties at the lowest. Okay, So I would

1390
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,799
Speaker 2: say that between the big three, right and Brian Thomas,

1391
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 2: like maybe we would start talking about JSN as like

1392
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 2: wide receiver five in this class?

1393
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: Okay, in that category, I think, did you have him

1394
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: as wide receiver one last year?

1395
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: Was? Yeah? I fower? Yeah.

1396
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: So just to just to kind of paint the picture

1397
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 1: I'm saying of this class because I think people believe

1398
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: it more when they hear it from you than when

1399
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 1: they hear it from me. So you would have had

1400
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: last year's wide receiver one as wide receiver five? Yeah,

1401
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: we had You want to try to place the other three.

1402
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 2: For me or okay, so Quentin Johnston he would be low.

1403
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 2: I would probably have Quinton Johnston.

1404
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: Well, where would you have him compared to Keon Coleman,

1405
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: because it's the same kind of player. Ke On Coleman

1406
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: is kind of the top version of that player in

1407
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: this draft.

1408
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say Keon Coleman, though, has better ball

1409
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 2: skills in Quentin Johnson. That was my biggest knock on

1410
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 2: Quinton Johnson was his hands and his ball skills. Like

1411
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: what we saw here in New England. I know it

1412
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 2: was raining and that was like a factor, but that

1413
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 2: was not an anomaly with Quinton Johnson. His hands are horrible.

1414
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: He's bad at tracking the ball. He's bad in contested

1415
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: catching situations. Kean Coleman also has some not so great

1416
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 2: contested catch numbers, believe it or not, but he has

1417
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: some real crazy I mean, as you know, he has

1418
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 2: some crazy highlight catches. So I'd look at oh Man.

1419
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I can keep going here. Ad Mitchell and

1420
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: Xavier ly Guet would be the next two guys.

1421
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say that. I'd have Quinton Johnson,

1422
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 2: probably right after Ady Mitchell. I think I love Adie Mitchell.

1423
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 2: I think he might be a better player than Quinton

1424
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: Johnson because Adie Mitchell the thing that I love about him, well,

1425
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 2: first of all, he catches the ball better, so that

1426
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 2: that's one great great, But second one is his body

1427
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,560
Speaker 2: control I think is phenomenal. Whereas like Quentin Johnson was

1428
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: more he's an explosive guy, like he can get down

1429
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 2: the field and he can, you know, build up speed.

1430
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 2: But I think Adie Mitchell's body control, hands, ability to

1431
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 2: work the sidelines, like all the details of his game

1432
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: I think are better. So I probably have a guy

1433
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: like Quentin Johnson as like wide receiver seven or eight

1434
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:16,719
Speaker 2: in this class.

1435
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: Right, did you watch Leget yet? I know he'll be

1436
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl.

1437
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 2: No, because he's gonna be at the Senior Bowl, so

1438
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 2: I'll watch him there. Yeah, I think so as well,

1439
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,919
Speaker 2: and especially if they're gonna go McVeigh offense, like I'm

1440
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 2: interested and his skill set. The guy that I really

1441
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 2: like out of this next group though, is Jalen Polk.

1442
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Polk would be a really fun receiver

1443
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 2: for them. Can play X, can play a little Z.

1444
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 2: You know, explosive guy, runs really good routes. I really

1445
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 2: like Polk a lot, and I like what.

1446
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: Crazy to say, I see a little Jacoby Myers in.

1447
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: His game, No, I could see that. I think he's

1448
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: a little faster than Jacause, a little.

1449
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: More explosive than I don't think he sees the field Obviously,

1450
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: Jacoby was a quarterback, so that helps it. But like

1451
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: I think in terms of guy that can consistently move

1452
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: the chains, yeah, like I just I see him as

1453
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: like a reliable chain moving wide receiver. But like you said,

1454
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 1: he's got I think you've referred to him as like

1455
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: day two Jacoby, where like he's got a little more

1456
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: pop than Jacoby did coming out where there's a little

1457
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: bit more of a big play threat.

1458
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. I think is

1459
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 2: his ability to get down the field is a little

1460
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: bit better than Jacoby's, right, like the vertical ability. But

1461
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 2: he's a fun player too, And I like Roman Wilson

1462
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 2: from Michigan too. And ye, lad McConkey is going to

1463
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 2: be at the Senior Bowl. We'll see about him. Yeah, yeah,

1464
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 2: I saw some things about him, you know, with Brock

1465
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: Bauers film and things like that that I liked. He's

1466
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 2: one of those guys though that he's got like sneaky speed,

1467
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 2: and he's he doesn't have any wasted movement at the

1468
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 2: top of the route, which can be valuable. It's not

1469
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: he's not a game changer, I don't think at the position.

1470
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 2: But he's he's really technically sound, which I think is

1471
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 2: helpful as like a wide receiver three type, you know,

1472
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 2: but he's definitely not somebody that I'm saying is like

1473
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 2: a number one guy. Quickly, before we take the rest.

1474
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you to place one more guy, z A. Flowers.

1475
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I love Zay.

1476
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: I know I will.

1477
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 2: I would say that Zay. I'd probably put him right

1478
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 2: in the area of the two Texas guys. You know,

1479
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 2: he's really similar to Xavier Worthy. You know, they're really

1480
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 2: similar players. I think Xavier Worthy is just a little

1481
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 2: bit bigger than Zay is. Uh So I think that

1482
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 2: helps him.

1483
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: Somewhere around like wide receiver six, wide receivers seven.

1484
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably fair.

1485
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 1: So again, just to just to point out what this

1486
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: wide receiver class is. All these guys were first round

1487
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: picks last year. Ivan has at least three of them

1488
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: great his second round picks in this class.

1489
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan Adison too, Jordan Addison would be would be

1490
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: like right in the Texas guys range, right, like, you know,

1491
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 2: early second round type. So yeah, it's it's an incredible class.

1492
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 3: It is.

1493
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 2: And and that's i think a big part of it

1494
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 2: that we keep on stressing is that you can get

1495
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 2: these receivers pretty much throughout the entire I was a

1496
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: top seventy five, top one hundred picks. There's gonna be

1497
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 2: there's gonna be guys that are gonna go in this

1498
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 2: class that are gonna be day one impact players. Like

1499
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 2: that's just how good the class is. Now you have

1500
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 2: to get the right one, which we know the Patriots

1501
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 2: have facts them. Yeah, but in terms of the talent,

1502
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 2: all of them are there for the taking, in terms

1503
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 2: of you know, guys that can come on this team.

1504
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: And no, it's I'm not saying that they're gonna be

1505
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 2: a thousand yard receivers right out of the gate, But

1506
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: is anybody upset about the season that Pop Douglas just had,

1507
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 2: right Like, you know guys that that can that can

1508
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 2: come in and make an immediate impact. And I think

1509
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 2: that's a big part of it. Quickly, before we take

1510
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 2: the more calls and get into the Senior Bowl. I

1511
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 2: did mention Joe Alton Ola Fashane, So I watched both

1512
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,560
Speaker 2: of those guys. Uh, I'm not gonna lie to you,

1513
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 2: Alex Joe Alt just like he does it for me

1514
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 2: like that. That guy is just exactly what when I

1515
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 2: watch tackles in the draft, I want my tackle to

1516
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 2: play exactly like Joel. That guy is going to be

1517
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 2: a ten year NFL franchise cornerstone. I'm telling you that

1518
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: right now. And I say that like always with the

1519
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 2: caveat that if injuries come into play, injuries come into play, right,

1520
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 2: he can't predict who's gonna get hurt, right, But if

1521
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 2: he stays healthy and he stays on the field and

1522
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, he is going to be

1523
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 2: an impact type of starter. Like when we talk about

1524
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 2: the cliches with tackles, all you draft this guy, you

1525
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 2: plug him in, you don't worry about it for the

1526
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 2: next ten years. I truly feel that way with Joald.

1527
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 2: I think that he's that good. He's athletic, he can

1528
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: move his feet, he can get out of his stance well,

1529
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 2: he blocks on the island well and pass protection. He's

1530
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 2: not exactly like a people mover. I wouldn't describe him

1531
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 2: in the run game. But he does finish well. And

1532
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 2: he's a really good positional blocker with his footwork and

1533
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 2: his leverage and things like that. He walls off guys

1534
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 2: like he's more of like a wall off type of

1535
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 2: blocker than a you want turn on the film and

1536
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: he's moving guys ten yards off the line of scrimmage.

1537
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 2: But that's okay too. He's all around, just great, all around. Like,

1538
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 2: there's not a whole lot of flaws to his game.

1539
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: I thought he dominated Ohio State. Uh, and and there

1540
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 2: those head dressers like didn't even flinch. I think the

1541
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: one flaw with him on film, uh is that he

1542
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 2: does get bull rushed a little bit sometimes. But I

1543
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 2: think that that's more of like technique than anything.

1544
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: I don't.

1545
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 2: I don't. I think that's correctable and you'll you'll, you'll

1546
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 2: figure out a way to fix that with him over

1547
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: the course of time.

1548
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: Uh.

1549
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 2: He's terrific. I wasn't as I just.

1550
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: Real quick, I'd say again to everybody you know, says,

1551
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 1: how could you when we do just when we take

1552
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback out of it and do just tackle receiver,

1553
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: how can you not take Marvin Harrison dreams a generational

1554
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: wide receiver prospect. He's that, you know that Joe Alt's that,

1555
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: but a tackle. Yeah, I don't know if you would agree,

1556
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: but that's how I feel like. I did you hear

1557
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: about the hype down down to UH, because I know

1558
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people like to point to, uh, Marvin

1559
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: Harrison's pedigree there Joealt's dad. It was also a great

1560
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 1: NFL player. John Alt was attacked for the Chiefs for

1561
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 1: I think like ten years. Twelve years was a multi

1562
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: time All Pro. So, I mean you're literally talking about

1563
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 1: like the same makeup, just you know, say in terms

1564
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: of the scouting report, where you know, highly technically skilled,

1565
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: great bill, the athletic like all of it, the background,

1566
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: the pedigree coming from a big school, there's a lot

1567
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: of overlap between all Marvin Harrison junior.

1568
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 2: When you watch offensive lineman, especially guys like that like

1569
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 2: Joe All, first round, top ten type of guys. Yeah,

1570
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: when you watch a guy like Joe Alt, I know

1571
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 2: he plays left tackle for Notre Dame, But if I

1572
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 2: didn't know what position he played and who he was

1573
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: and what number he wore, I'd still be able to

1574
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: point him out right like I'd still be able to

1575
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 2: turn on the film and be like, that's probably the

1576
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 2: guy I'm supposed to be watching, right because he's just

1577
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 2: he's that good, that he stands out above the rest

1578
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 2: of his peers that much. And I think the biggest

1579
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 2: thing with him again is that he's a total He's

1580
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 2: a total package. He can pass block, he can run block.

1581
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: He's got size, like, there's no there's no question physically

1582
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 2: with his game, like, he's got length, he's got good

1583
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 2: hand placement, good hand strength, he's got good feet, good

1584
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 2: foot speed.

1585
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: Athletics say he's young too, He's only twenty, so he's got,

1586
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, still room to grow and fill out.

1587
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 2: I know, look, I know that I'm gonna be the

1588
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 2: only one that's excited if they take him. I know

1589
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 2: that that's all right. I'm willing to be the only one.

1590
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: I remember in October somebody called in about a Q

1591
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: take I had on another show saying I'd rather have

1592
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: Alton Marvin Harrison all confused.

1593
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with being the only one. And when

1594
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 2: he comes, when we do the introductory press conference out

1595
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 2: on the field, and then we get to talk to

1596
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,600
Speaker 2: him for ten minutes on unfiltered. Usually afterwards, there was

1597
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 2: a running joke. I don't know if we publish like

1598
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 2: the way I was looking at Christian Gonzales last year,

1599
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 2: like a you know, very very pleased person, and I

1600
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 2: would be looking at Joe Walt the same way. I'd

1601
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 2: be like, hell, yes, this is this is exactly what

1602
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: they need. Ola Fashan, who's got a lot of things

1603
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 2: going for him as well, I wasn't as impressed. But

1604
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 2: he's he's a specimen, like a physical specimen. Like you

1605
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 2: can see that he's in great shape, and he's built

1606
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: very well, long arms, long limbs, you know, barrel chested,

1607
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: he's chiseled, he's a he's a he's an athlete, and

1608
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 2: you can tell that right off the bat. I don't

1609
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: think he's quite as refined in terms of like his

1610
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 2: hand placement, is usage of his hands, his footwork, you know,

1611
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 2: those types of things as Joe Alt is. But in

1612
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 2: terms of upside, I can understand why some people might

1613
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 2: have him a little bit higher than all just because

1614
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 2: of his athleticism, and you know, he's quick out of

1615
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 2: his stance. He can move in mirror guys and pass

1616
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: rough situations. He's really good inside hand to counter right

1617
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: when guys try to spin up or move inside on him,

1618
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: He's good at that. The Ohio State film was like

1619
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 2: the big one with him that everybody's like, Oh, it's horrible,

1620
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 2: you know. I didn't think it was quite as bad

1621
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 2: as as some people made it out to. But there

1622
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 2: were some reps there certainly that he lost his technique.

1623
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 2: And that's that's the reason why I would have Joe

1624
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 2: Alt ahead of him. I think Joeald consistently gets the

1625
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 2: job done, whereas Uhano has some lapses in technique every

1626
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 2: once in a while.

1627
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: Fashana reminds me of we did a lot obviously last

1628
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: year on Broderick Jones.

1629
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1630
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: For Shanda reminds me a lot of a like more

1631
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: developed Broderick Jones, like a Top ten Because Broderick Jones

1632
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: retired his game was raw. His game was raw, and

1633
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: and he hadn't been playing the position as much. For

1634
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: Shana was many many more STAPs under his belt in

1635
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: the shows, and it should. Yeah, so I kind of

1636
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: like a top ten version of the player Broderck Jones was,

1637
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: which is a good thing.

1638
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: That's a good comp that's a good cop. The the

1639
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 2: Joe Alt comp is tough because of his size, right,

1640
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 2: Like I think he plans you know who it is,

1641
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: who is it?

1642
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas.

1643
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 2: He's bigger than Joe Thomas.

1644
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: Well, but Joe Thomas was like fifteen years ago. Guys,

1645
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: weren't that big fifteen years ago?

1646
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, I don't know.

1647
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: That's again at I've said this before. There's a little

1648
01:20:59,000 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: bit of hyperbole here.

1649
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 2: It's not that I have a tough time putting people

1650
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: in Joe Thomas's I do too, but that's like, oh, yeah,

1651
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 2: you're just gonna be you know, the best tackle of

1652
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 2: all time.

1653
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a ceiling camp. But when uh,

1654
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: when we started doing this, the the alt versus Marvin

1655
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior thing that the slightly the kind of mostly

1656
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: hyperbolic but not entirely hyperbolic question is starting a team

1657
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: you get to add one player at the beginning of

1658
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: their career, Joe Thomas or Calvin Johnson, who are you adding?

1659
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 2: Well, you you know, I'm going It depends on your

1660
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 2: situation though, right, like starting team, starting a team from scratch, Yeah, I'm.

1661
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: Starting an offense from scratch, because that's more or less

1662
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: what the Patriots are doing.

1663
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: I'm going Joe Thomas.

1664
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: You know that right there?

1665
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 9: You go like I.

1666
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: And what's great about it is when people say, oh,

1667
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: you're signing attack, you're adding a tackle. What does a

1668
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: tackle do? Or oh you're adding a receiver, what does

1669
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 1: a receiver do? Neither of those guys won anything, which

1670
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: is why the argument always comes back to quarterback.

1671
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 2: All right, let's get back into the calls here. Miko

1672
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 2: is in Philly. What's up, Miko?

1673
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 6: Hey, So, going back to the coaching side, back when

1674
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 6: we were exploring if Celtic was to day, I think

1675
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 6: one of the conditions we talked about was essentially appointing

1676
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 6: Phil O'Brien as the head coach of the offense with

1677
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 6: a lot of sway over personnel decisions. So fast forward

1678
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 6: to now, with Mayo coming from the defensive side of

1679
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 6: the ball, is that head coach of the offense responsibility

1680
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 6: build a pitch to offensive coordinator or candidates with far

1681
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 6: less experience than Bill O'Brian like Hayley or Robinson.

1682
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call of Mika. I'm sorry about

1683
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 2: the phone line. That's not you, that's us. Yeah, that's

1684
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: that's a fair point. Alex, you know, are you going

1685
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 2: to trust a first time offensive coordinator to start making

1686
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 2: personnel decisions and things like that. More than a fair point.

1687
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: I think that was more when we talked about that,

1688
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: that was more something that candidates were pitching to the Patriots, yeah,

1689
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: than than the Patriots. The pitcher can't. It's a candidate

1690
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 1: coming in and saying, hey, look I have this experience. See,

1691
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: it wasn't so much the Patriot saying here's this opportunity

1692
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 1: for you. It was an experienced Canada coming in and saying,

1693
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 1: this is what I add that some of these younger guys,

1694
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: some of these inexperienced guys don't.

1695
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that that's when they start getting into

1696
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 2: the in person because Drod Mayo is on EI the

1697
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 2: other day and he mentioned, you know, first virtual interviews.

1698
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,759
Speaker 2: First round is just kind of like your standard boiler

1699
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 2: played interview, getting to know the guy, you know, getting

1700
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 2: to know his background, things like that.

1701
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: You see yourself in five years.

1702
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. The second round, when they get them here in

1703
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: person is when you start putting them up on the whiteboard, right, Like,

1704
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: that's when you start to really get into the x's

1705
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 2: and o's and how it would look if I'm the Patriots. Like,

1706
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 2: I'm telling these guys to come in with with their

1707
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 2: homework done, and I'm saying Drake May, Jade and Daniels,

1708
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: and maybe I throw just like a Penix or Nicks

1709
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 2: at them too, just to you know, say, cover all

1710
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: of our bases of how this could go right?

1711
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: Right, Day two guy, your favorite Day two guys, how.

1712
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 2: What's your plan? Right? Like, what if we draft Jaden

1713
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 2: Daniels in April, what's the offense going to look like?

1714
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 2: If we draft Drake May and April, what the offense

1715
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 2: gonna look like? That's how I would pick their brains.

1716
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 2: That's how I would go about it. And you gotta

1717
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 2: like their pitch, right, you gotta like what they're gonna

1718
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 2: do with it. And then maybe if you do and

1719
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: you like you say, oh wow, like that he's really

1720
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, Jade and Daniels, that's a perfect We love

1721
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: that idea, right, like we love all these ideas. We

1722
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 2: love what he's thinking, all that kind of stuff. Then

1723
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 2: you can sort of get into the report of like, well, okay,

1724
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 2: well why do you like Jaden Daniels versus Drake May

1725
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 2: versus whoever?

1726
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: You know?

1727
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,560
Speaker 2: So I agree, I think that you have to be

1728
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 2: careful about giving too much personnel power to an inexperienced coordinator.

1729
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: D C is in New Hampshire. What's up these up?

1730
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 2: We left him on hole too long? I thought that

1731
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 2: might happen. Alex is in Atlanta. What's up, Alex?

1732
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: How you doing?

1733
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 3: Can you?

1734
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 2: Yes? Go ahead?

1735
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1736
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 9: Oh well anyway, our first thing I want to say, Man,

1737
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 9: y'all do amazing job. So thank you' all for that. Man,

1738
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 9: it's all season so far. You know, I'm loving it.

1739
01:24:58,560 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

1740
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just kind of I just kind of got

1741
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 9: got on. I don't know if y'all have talked about it,

1742
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 9: but it's a receiver that I like, honestly, ke On Coleman.

1743
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 9: I don't know how y'all feel about them. Like I

1744
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 9: said again, I just joined in, But how do y'all

1745
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 9: feel about him? And that's that's that's the only question

1746
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 9: I had. But thank y'all so much.

1747
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 2: Thanks Alex, thanks for the call. So I'm not a

1748
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 2: big key on Coleman guy, but I will admit that

1749
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 2: maybe my mind is a little bit, a little bit

1750
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 2: scarred by Nikhil Harry Alex Right, Like I I when

1751
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 2: I look at receivers, that don't separate well at the

1752
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 2: top of the route, and a lot of the highlights

1753
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 2: that I see of them, And obviously highlights is not everything,

1754
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,919
Speaker 2: like you need to watch the actual film, but highlights

1755
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 2: I think are are sometimes can be important, especially with receivers.

1756
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 2: It's the one time where I would say that I

1757
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 2: do actually watch some highlight reels of guys, because you

1758
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 2: want to see how they win, right, Like what are

1759
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 2: like the big plays that they make and how do

1760
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 2: they make them? And when you see a lot of

1761
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 2: the highlights of Keon Coleman, it's like these one handed catches.

1762
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 2: He's acrobatic catches just great, but it's not a whole

1763
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 2: lot of like he wins at the top of the route,

1764
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 2: runs away from the coverage and he's off right, Like

1765
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 2: you don't see a ton of that. And his statistically,

1766
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 2: his profile is not very good. He didn't actually produce

1767
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 2: all that much in last year, right, I think he

1768
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 2: had like six hundred seven hundred yards receiving.

1769
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 1: And uh, his contention, he's a red zone guy.

1770
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 2: His contested catch numbers though he's only catching like thirty

1771
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 2: three thirty four percent of his contested targets, Like for uh,

1772
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 2: comparison's sake, Roma Dunsay, want to guess how many of

1773
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 2: his contested cards.

1774
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's got to be up over like sixty sixty.

1775
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 2: Five percent, seventy five percent.

1776
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude's awesome.

1777
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 2: Romadud throwing a jump out of rum Madunzay, you have

1778
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 2: a seventy five percent chance of him catching the ball.

1779
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: You know why because his catch radius is that is.

1780
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 2: That is absurd, absolutely absurd. So I I look at

1781
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 2: Keon Coleman, and I have a little bit of cold feet.

1782
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 2: How about you?

1783
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: I mean I like Keon Coleman definitely more than you.

1784
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: I think there's a ton of value in that skill set.

1785
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: I think for the Patriots, you're probably well, I guess

1786
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 1: what offensive system are you running? I'm so in the

1787
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: default of like, they need more speed in athleticism, and

1788
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 1: that's not where Coleman wins. But if they're gonna do

1789
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: the McVeigh thing where they need these big physical receivers,

1790
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: that's a fair ke Coleman's going to be the guy

1791
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: you talk about. Now. I wouldn't be afraid if that's

1792
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: the kind of receiver you want, you want to use

1793
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 1: that pick elsewhere you go A little further down the board,

1794
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: you look at his teammate Johnny Wilson. Johnny Wilson six ' seven,

1795
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty five pounds and was reportedly running

1796
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: four for US in high school. If he does that

1797
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: at the combine, I mean, this guy's basically remember Zach

1798
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: Kunz last year. Cons That's that's kind of what you're

1799
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 1: looking at with Johnny Wilson. If he's really six seven,

1800
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: two thirty five and running four to four, it becomes

1801
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: Dwan Jones Jarik wooland it's he's gonna be my guy

1802
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,560
Speaker 1: this year. That it's it's gonna look too good to

1803
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 1: be true, but it is. Now. Johnny Wilson's hands aren't great,

1804
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: and this is you're probably gonna camp him to Quentin Johnston. Yeah,

1805
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 1: but if you can get if you get a good

1806
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: wide receivers coach who can work on him with that.

1807
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 1: And the thing about Johnny Wilson, his hands are actually

1808
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 1: really good and contested catch situations. It's just when he's open.

1809
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: So as much as that sounds annoying, it's also more fixable.

1810
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna solve all your wide receiver problems,

1811
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, just like that, you'd still need to go

1812
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: out and get Michael Pittman or somebody. But if you

1813
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,560
Speaker 1: want to invest in a project, guy uh late on

1814
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,679
Speaker 1: day two and you want that kind of jump ball

1815
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: physical specimen, great size, wide receiver. I think Johnny Wilson's

1816
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: upside is tremendous. Now his floor is not quite what

1817
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: it is with some other guys, and that's a risk

1818
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: that's going to scare people off, and I understand that.

1819
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: But his his ceiling is unreal.

1820
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

1821
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: I think he'll be I think he's at the Senior Bowl,

1822
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 1: I believe.

1823
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. You know, I need to give

1824
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 2: Keon Coleman another watch because I know a lot of

1825
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 2: people do really like him, and I just I'm gonna

1826
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 2: there's certain guys that I just think of Patriot Bus

1827
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 2: in the past, right, Like you know, I've talked about

1828
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 2: this with the quarterbacks ales, Like every time I watch

1829
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 2: a quarterback now, I'm like, why is he not Mac Jones?

1830
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 7: Right?

1831
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 2: Like what about him is just different from Mac that

1832
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 2: I can be like, all right, this is not gonna

1833
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: go horribly wrong this time around. And I feel the

1834
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 2: same way about guy like Kean Coleman to Nikhil Harry

1835
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 2: to some of their other you know misses, and that

1836
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 2: that type of mold in the past. All Right, Nate

1837
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 2: is in Ohio. What's up, Nate? Nate? Nate going once?

1838
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 2: All right, Nate, you can call back and we'll get

1839
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 2: you on the air. Matt is in Virginia. What's up, Matt?

1840
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, the.

1841
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:49,600
Speaker 3: First time caller, longtime listener. I've been listening since the

1842
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 3: early Beat days, and I gotta say I love, love,

1843
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 3: love your content.

1844
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you, appreciate that you guys.

1845
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 3: Had mentioned earlier maybe looking into the tackle trade market,

1846
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 3: maybe getting yourself a veteran. What kind of options would

1847
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 3: you say would be out there for the Patriots realistically.

1848
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question, Matt. I'll admit I haven't

1849
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call. I haven't dug deep into like

1850
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 2: the veteran market so much yet, Alex. But I feel

1851
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 2: like there's always there's always guys that come out of

1852
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 2: the woodwork. Do you have anybody on your mind? There's

1853
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 2: one that I have, but I want to make sure

1854
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 2: I get the situation right.

1855
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: I honestly think the trademark is more going with the

1856
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: wide receiver, just because there's such a tackle shortage on tackles,

1857
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: getting anybody that's worth trading for is going to be

1858
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: just monumentally expensive.

1859
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, so our our guy, Dwan Jones is uh so

1860
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 2: think no, no, no, I don't think that he's going

1861
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 2: to be available. He went to the Browns, right, am,

1862
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 2: I like spacing here for some reason he did.

1863
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: He's if he's not on the rust. I think he

1864
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: got put on IR late in the year.

1865
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 2: So Dewan Jones goes to the Browns and the Browns

1866
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 2: have two Yeah, yeah, I got this right. I don't

1867
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 2: know why.

1868
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, he's definitely on the Browns.

1869
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 4: No, I know, I know.

1870
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 2: But Jack Conklin on the Browns their right tackle, veteran

1871
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 2: right tackle, good player in the league. So they have

1872
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 2: Jedrick Willis, who's they're starting left tackle, is one of

1873
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 2: the best in the league right, so he's gonna stay

1874
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 2: over there. Dwan Jones is probably in line to take

1875
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 2: over for Jack Conklin at right tackle right going into

1876
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 2: next year. That that could be a situation where Jack

1877
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 2: Conklin is like a you know, a lamb duck type

1878
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 2: of asset. You know, it's just somebody that is somebody

1879
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 2: that they don't need to pay anymore. So if I

1880
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 2: there's one guy that I would look at in terms

1881
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 2: of being available in the veteran market at tackle, it

1882
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 2: would be called in Cleveland because Cleveland has embarrassment of

1883
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 2: riches on the offensive line and they have one of

1884
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 2: the best offensive line coaches in football. I don't know

1885
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 2: if he's going to follow his son to Tennessee, but

1886
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 2: Bill Callahan coaches their offensive line. Who's Brian Callahan's father,

1887
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 2: So there's a chance that he might follow his you know,

1888
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 2: go go coach the line for his son. We'll see.

1889
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 2: But I would call the Browns. They have like sixteen tackles,

1890
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,639
Speaker 2: you know, they one of those guys might be available.

1891
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 2: Maybe a guy like Conklin.

1892
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 1: All right, he's got a pretty minute I'm just looking

1893
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 1: at now. He's got a pretty manageable contract too. He's

1894
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,560
Speaker 1: signed through twenty six. Cap hit this year would be

1895
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 1: twelve million, jumps up to nineteen the next two, and

1896
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: then he's got two void years on the end of

1897
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,759
Speaker 1: his deal. But they're pretty they're pretty minimal.

1898
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 2: I know, you know, the Browns because mostly because of

1899
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 2: the Deshaun Watson contract, the Browns are have an extremely

1900
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 2: high payroll, like they're one of the highest in terms

1901
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,759
Speaker 2: of actual you know, the Felger right, the real cash spending,

1902
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 2: and they might be looking to make some cuts, you know,

1903
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:45,719
Speaker 2: the guys that they don't necessarily need, like a Jack Conklin.

1904
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 2: It could become available. All right, before we get into

1905
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, which we are going to do for

1906
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 2: the next thirty twenty to thirty minutes here to end

1907
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:55,759
Speaker 2: the show, I really quickly want to talk about Kellen

1908
01:32:55,800 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 2: Moore and you know, the big news in the football

1909
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 2: where the last twenty four hours was Jim Harbaugh right

1910
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 2: going to the Chargers. Jim Harbaugh is more than likely

1911
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 2: going to have his own staff, and Jim Harbor's an

1912
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 2: offensive guy. He's a quarterback guy, but he's most likely

1913
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 2: going to have his own offensive staff. And the Browns

1914
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 2: have put in a request now to interview Kellen Moore

1915
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:23,799
Speaker 2: Alex for their offensive coordinator position, and he got blocked.

1916
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 2: There's another team that wanted to interview him earlier in

1917
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 2: the process and the Chargers hadn't settled on a head

1918
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 2: coach yet, so they blocked the interview. But now it

1919
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 2: sounds like they're going to allow Kellen Moore to start

1920
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 2: interviewing places. I put out last night on Twitter that

1921
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 2: my mind immediately goes to Kellen Moore and what is

1922
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,639
Speaker 2: going to happen with him? When Jim Harbaugh's news was announced,

1923
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 2: and I got all sorts of push back on Twitter,

1924
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 2: Why would you want Kellen Moore? Why would you want

1925
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore? Alex? Would you want Kellen Moore? Yes or no?

1926
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:54,679
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know that he'd be my top choice,

1927
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: but I mean I'd be very happy if they hired him.

1928
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 1: He'd definitely be up there for me. I think he

1929
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: I like the offenses he designs. I think they're very layered.

1930
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,560
Speaker 1: I think that they're not easy to defend. And I

1931
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: think he has a good understanding the quarterback position. And

1932
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: I think that he does a good job working with quarterbacks.

1933
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: So those are two massive boxes that are checked. I also,

1934
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, like in my mind he'd be a

1935
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 1: flight risk because I think he's somebody who should be

1936
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 1: close close to being a head coach, But it doesn't

1937
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 1: seem like the league feels that way. Yeah, So I

1938
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: mean he'll get his chance. If he comes here and

1939
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 1: he's good, he'll get his chance, but maybe get two

1940
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 1: years with him instead of one or something like that, right,

1941
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:33,600
Speaker 1: if it works out so and then obviously there's the

1942
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: element of if they draft Michael Pennix, which I don't

1943
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,560
Speaker 1: think they will, but lefty quarterback because Moore was a

1944
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: lefty played in the league for a lefty quarterback. But no,

1945
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 1: I've always liked Kellen Moore. I think he's, you know,

1946
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: one of the more understated offensive minds in the game,

1947
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: and they would I think his offenses would be fun

1948
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: to watch. And I think if you get the right

1949
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: pieces in place, I mean I think, I know, we've

1950
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 1: seen it, they can be effective. I know he never

1951
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: really won anything in terms of the postseason, but look

1952
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,600
Speaker 1: who he was working for, right, I think if you

1953
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 1: you give him a defense like he'd have here and

1954
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: that that changes a lot of things.

1955
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because when the Charters came here, I

1956
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 2: had written in my game preview that I had an

1957
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 2: eye on Kellen Moore because if the Patriots are actually

1958
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 2: I had my eye on him as potentially a head

1959
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 2: coach candidate. Right, like crazy, how far we've come. But

1960
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 2: I feel like with Kellen Moore, the thing that I

1961
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 2: that I really liked. You know about his offense is

1962
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 2: that it is West Coast based. You know, he comes

1963
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 2: from the Mike McCarthy tree, and and you know he

1964
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,839
Speaker 2: does some some West Coast things, but it's pretty multiple

1965
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 2: game to game, like, he's a pretty good game plan coach,

1966
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:46,520
Speaker 2: and there's always some wrinkles in there, not necessarily.

1967
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 1: Like you got to remember what his background is as

1968
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 1: a player coming from Boise State, right, I think he

1969
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 1: incorporates he blends the two very well. Which when I

1970
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: say it's multiple, like, there's not a ton of things

1971
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: in the big picture over the course was season that

1972
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 1: you just can kind of sit on.

1973
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I look at him and, uh, he does

1974
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 2: have some tricks up asleep, But I I more look

1975
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 2: at his his base offense as a pretty stable and

1976
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 2: consistent and like, you know, just schematically sound type of offense.

1977
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 2: Is it as innovative and as creative as like a

1978
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:25,879
Speaker 2: McVeigh Shanahan. No, it's definitely more in the in the Patriot,

1979
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:29,719
Speaker 2: you know, ep old school West Coast type of system

1980
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 2: that's more about formations and matchups and fundamentals and like

1981
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,560
Speaker 2: that type of stuff. But I I do like a

1982
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 2: lot of the things that that he brings to the table.

1983
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 2: And he's a quarterback guy, which I like, right and

1984
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 2: uh and and you know young quarterback guy that that

1985
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 2: can do it. And the last thing that I that

1986
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 2: I like about him, as you can imagine, the reason

1987
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 2: why the Cowboys parted ways with him, was because he

1988
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 2: wanted to score too many points.

1989
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 1: Remember that he wants to set The Cowboys are the charger,

1990
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,600
Speaker 1: the chargers. It was a cowboy fired, fired because they

1991
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:03,639
Speaker 1: didn't want to run the ball enough.

1992
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 2: That was Kellen Moore's So Kellen Moore with the Cowboys,

1993
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy's whole thing was he wants to light up

1994
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 2: the scoreboard and I want to rest my defense, right

1995
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 2: like that? That was that was the whole thing was

1996
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 2: that Kellen Moore just wanted to throw the ball forty

1997
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 2: times a game. I'm not saying you have to have

1998
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 2: some sort of balance, right, we know that, right, But

1999
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 2: I like the idea. You know, I like his mindset.

2000
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 2: I think Kellen Moore has like an attack mindset that

2001
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 2: he wants. He wants to have an offense that's gonna

2002
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 2: score a lot of points. And lastly, on this topic,

2003
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 2: you know that I've thought that the Chargers roster talent

2004
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 2: has been overrated for a couple of years now, and

2005
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 2: I still feel that way. I'm not trying to absolve

2006
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 2: him of all things, Like I know that their offense

2007
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 2: wasn't great last year.

2008
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 1: You just don't want to criticize your boy, Brandon Staley.

2009
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I just really don't. I think a

2010
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 2: lot of people look at the Chargers roster and they

2011
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:56,639
Speaker 2: only look at the top of the roster, right, They're

2012
01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:00,080
Speaker 2: only looking at Justin Herbert Keenan Allen. You know some

2013
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 2: of the guys that they have on the defensive side

2014
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 2: of the ball, you know, Derwin James Khalil Mack, you

2015
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 2: know those types of guys. Their their rosters has had

2016
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 2: a lot of deficiencies over the last couple of years

2017
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 2: that people just want to ignore. And I think Tom

2018
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 2: Tellesco getting fired as the general manager. A big reason

2019
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,640
Speaker 2: why is because the people there are recognizing it. You know,

2020
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:21,679
Speaker 2: the span has to see it. They have some good pieces,

2021
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 2: They have some really high end talent. You know, Rashaun

2022
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 2: Slater is a really good tackle, but they they don't

2023
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 2: have a lot of depth to their roster. And and

2024
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 2: you saw that this year when they started to have

2025
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 2: some injuries on the offense side of the ball. You know,

2026
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 2: Mike Williams goes down, their offense falls, you know, falls

2027
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 2: off a little bit. Austin Ecker doesn't have the same

2028
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 2: year because of injuries and things like that. Their offense

2029
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 2: takes another step back and they didn't really have any

2030
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 2: depth to supplement it. So I think some of the

2031
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 2: reason why Kellen Moore wasn't quite as successful with the

2032
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 2: Chargers isn't all on Kellen Moore. That's just my point.

2033
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,600
Speaker 2: But is he my top candidate, No, absolutely not. But

2034
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 2: he's somebody that I would definitely be interest said if

2035
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm the Patriots and and hearing out and having an

2036
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 2: interview with and seeing seeing what his pitch is before

2037
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 2: I you know, make a higher Senior Bowl ready, Yeah,

2038
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:13,679
Speaker 2: this is your moment, all right. So Senior Bowl preview

2039
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:16,680
Speaker 2: will end it here, end of the show here, I'm

2040
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 2: going to go down to the Senior Bowl. Unfortunately I'm

2041
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,600
Speaker 2: going solo Alex. I'm very upset about that still, but

2042
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,560
Speaker 2: it is what it is. So we'll be doing the

2043
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 2: show next week with me and Mobile and Alex will

2044
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 2: be here and you know, all these guys so well, anyway, Alex,

2045
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 2: I'll just tell you who's popping and who's standing out

2046
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 2: to me, and we'll go from there the next week.

2047
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 2: But I have a watch list. I'm sure you have

2048
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 2: a watch list. I want to start with the quarterbacks. Yeah,

2049
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 2: there's three guys that I know. You have a couple more,

2050
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 2: maybe going deeper than me, but three guys obviously, Well,

2051
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:51,640
Speaker 2: there's there's three big ones. I think Michael Pennix is

2052
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 2: obvious and obvious. Bo Nix is an obvious I am.

2053
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 2: I am I allowed to be intrigued by Michael.

2054
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 1: Pratt from a Patriots point of view or just in

2055
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 1: general in general.

2056
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 2: But also let me let me give you this pitch.

2057
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm the guy that gets madd You don't

2058
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: let me talk about runningack se'n be intrigued about anybody.

2059
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 2: Fair enough, let me give you this pitch about Michael Pratt.

2060
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there a chance?

2061
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 2: And I hate to like type cast everybody, right, but

2062
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,759
Speaker 2: your stereotype everybody should say, but is there a chance

2063
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 2: that Michael Pratt is like the Kirk cousins to an

2064
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 2: RG three?

2065
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 1: Oh see, I think that's somebody else. I actually had

2066
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 1: the exact same take about somebody else.

2067
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:31,719
Speaker 2: Okay, I think.

2068
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 1: Michael Pratt is more this draft's Bailey's abbey.

2069
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 2: Oh really, that's disappointed.

2070
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 1: Like I just see him as like I just see

2071
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: him as like a you know, I think he could

2072
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:43,720
Speaker 1: be an NFL starter. I just don't see where the

2073
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 1: ceiling is. He's older, he doesn't have you know, that

2074
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 1: elite mobility, that elite arm talent. Like he's he's a good, solid,

2075
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 1: technically sound quarterback. I just don't know what I'm latching

2076
01:40:57,200 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 1: on to where it's like, hey, this guy is gonna be,

2077
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 1: you know, you know, a starter on his rookie contract,

2078
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: like a franchise starter on his rookie contract.

2079
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 2: That's fair. I do wonder what he weighs in at

2080
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 2: and like what he means. Actually, so he's a little

2081
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 2: bit bigger than Bailey Zappy right.

2082
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 1: Let me he is, let me rephrat He could be

2083
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 1: the Kirk Cousins in the sense that if you draft

2084
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 1: one quarterback and you want another guy, because Kirk Cousins

2085
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: drafted to be the backup, right, that would make a

2086
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,799
Speaker 1: lot of sense because I think he has an ability

2087
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:25,839
Speaker 1: to at the very least be a high level backup,

2088
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 1: if not a low level starter in the NFL.

2089
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm just intrigued by some of the things that I,

2090
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 2: you know, saw I don't have a ton of two

2091
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 2: lane all twenty two, I will admit, but I'm trying

2092
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 2: to get more and we'll see what the Senior Bowl.

2093
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,639
Speaker 2: I think he throws a really good touch and accuracy, right,

2094
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 2: which is just at.

2095
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 1: The end when he's when it's clean.

2096
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sure, but at the end of the day

2097
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 2: that that still matters, you know, Like I feel like

2098
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 2: we're getting so lost in his quarterback discourse about arm

2099
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 2: talent and off platform and extended playoff script, moving you know,

2100
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 2: around and throwing like Patrick Mahomes, Like we're getting so

2101
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:04,560
Speaker 2: into that that we're losing sight of the fact that

2102
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 2: the thing that matters the most still from quarterback play

2103
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 2: is can you sit in the pocket and can you

2104
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 2: deliver on time with accuracy? And Michael Pratt I think

2105
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 2: can do that.

2106
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: He's very good at that. My my thing with him is,

2107
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 1: and this is more for the Patriots than just in general,

2108
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 1: when that's not there, he doesn't really have an ability

2109
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 1: to create something from nothing. Yeah, And that's what I

2110
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 1: worry about with him.

2111
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 2: Fair enough Big week, I think for Pennix.

2112
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 1: Big week, huge week, huge week in a number of ways.

2113
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gotta throw the ball well, kind of

2114
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 1: offset some of the you know, the tape from the

2115
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 1: National Championship. He'll probably get some medical testing done.

2116
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 2: Talk to teams, yeah, talk to teams.

2117
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: Just a big, big, big week for him.

2118
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 2: I hope he practices at least one day, you know.

2119
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he will. He probably has as much

2120
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:58,720
Speaker 1: variance as any quarterback. Jenji mccartheen's. Yeah, he has as

2121
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 1: much variance as any quarterbacks at the Senior Bowl. Put

2122
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:01,559
Speaker 1: it that way.

2123
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that he's He's definitely gonna be intriguing.

2124
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 2: What I'm looking for with him is it when we

2125
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 2: watch him, you see the ball kind of just really like,

2126
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 2: you know, pop out of his hand, right, He's got

2127
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 2: that like instant velocity out of his hand, which we

2128
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 2: all really like. I think that that's something that is

2129
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,720
Speaker 2: really important to see in person, though, like I think

2130
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 2: you can barely see that tangibly in person, Like how

2131
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 2: much velocity, how much arm talent does he really have

2132
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:30,680
Speaker 2: on the football. We're not necessarily going to see him

2133
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 2: under pressure because he's gonna be in a red Jersey

2134
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 2: and he's not going to be facing pressure like that

2135
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 2: he was in the National Championship game. But you can see,

2136
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,839
Speaker 2: you know, is the vlo legit? Like, is that ability

2137
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 2: to generate velocity with the ball coming out of his hand? Legit?

2138
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 2: This is a game and a practice where other quarterbacks

2139
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 2: have really separated themselves, like Justin Herbert's like the biggest

2140
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 2: one I can remember over the last couple of years

2141
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 2: where he went to the Senior Bowl and he was

2142
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 2: just a dude and it was different than everybody else.

2143
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 2: His gravitas, his his talent, all of it, and then

2144
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:06,599
Speaker 2: that locked him in as like a top ten pick.

2145
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 2: I don't think Pennix is gonna get locked in as

2146
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:10,600
Speaker 2: a top ten pick just because of the injuries, but

2147
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 2: he can lock himself in as like an end of

2148
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 2: the first round guy, or you know, wherever the league

2149
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 2: has him right now. Maybe we'll find out.

2150
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 1: Some of that too, if anybody, though, I think Pratt

2151
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:22,920
Speaker 1: is the guy that is. You know, the way these

2152
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,719
Speaker 1: practices are structured, it's set up for him to shine.

2153
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 1: You want to talk about velocity and arm strength though,

2154
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: oh god, all right, get.

2155
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 2: To my guy, okay, but really, really quickly before we do. Yeah,

2156
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,640
Speaker 2: anything from Bonnicks, Like is Bonick's gonna do anything for

2157
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 2: you in this week? Like if I call in on

2158
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 2: Wednesday and then we're doing the show and I'm telling you,

2159
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 2: like Bonnix is just tearing up practice, Like does that

2160
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 2: move the needle at all for you?

2161
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:52,560
Speaker 1: You know, if he's really focusing vertically, if he's like

2162
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 1: really showing a vertical game, then I'll be all right

2163
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 1: because like we we know he can hit those you know,

2164
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 1: get to the back foot, get the ball out on

2165
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 1: those short and intermediate throws and put it right on

2166
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,760
Speaker 1: a dine like that's been his game and you know

2167
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 1: seven on seven structuring kind of Uh, it's it's a

2168
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 1: good setting for that. If he's testing windows, if he's

2169
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 1: splitting the ball in between zones down the field, if

2170
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 1: he's throwing jump balls down the field and he's hitting them,

2171
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 1: and it's like, all right, here's something he hasn't had.

2172
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think he certainly has something to prove.

2173
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 1: But I think he's he's sixty one starts on his bell, Yeah,

2174
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 1: sixty one college starts. So if you don't know, then

2175
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't know, by we I would

2176
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: be surprised. This sounds kind of weird. I would be

2177
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 1: surprised if bo Nick surprises us, just because we have

2178
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 1: so much tape on him.

2179
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 2: The only thing I would look at from bow Nicks.

2180
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 2: And I don't know how much I'm going to be

2181
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,120
Speaker 2: able to like tangibly know this, but maybe just talking

2182
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 2: to some people down there, like what's he like? You know,

2183
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 2: like is he I think one thing about Mac and

2184
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 2: like we're film junkies. We're guys that watch the tape

2185
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 2: and really study these guys in terms of their football ability.

2186
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 2: But I think it has been a factor around here,

2187
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 2: just personality, you know, his confidence and all that kind

2188
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 2: of like does does Bonix carry himself with some swagger?

2189
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 2: Like That's what I look.

2190
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 1: It's very interesting Nicks's background, So his dad it's like

2191
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 1: an Auburn legend, yeah, playing quarterback, and then he grew

2192
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 1: up an Auburn fan. He went to Auburn and it

2193
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,680
Speaker 1: didn't go well, and it wasn't entirely his fault, but

2194
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 1: he talked about after he left the pressure of being

2195
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 1: there and how miserable it was to like the pressure

2196
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 1: he put it because he wasn't he wasn't doing it

2197
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 1: for himself. He there's a there's a great piece for

2198
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 1: Marty Smith ESPN that like he was doing it for Auburn,

2199
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 1: not for bo and then he goes to Oregon. You

2200
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,799
Speaker 1: know at this so he was a five star recruit,

2201
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 1: son of a campus legend, starts a true freshman. He

2202
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 1: was supposed to revive the Auburn program. He was supposed

2203
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 1: to deliver Auburn a national championship. That was like his

2204
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 1: destiny essentially to for I don't mean to sounds so dramatic,

2205
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: but he's kind of the chosen one. Yeah, flames out,

2206
01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:00,599
Speaker 1: he goes to undrafted, failed the school, has to transfer,

2207
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:04,680
Speaker 1: goes to Oregon now there's no pressure, and tears it up, so,

2208
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, and he again, if you watch this piece

2209
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 1: on ESPN, I'll send it to you so you can

2210
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 1: watch before you get down there, because I think it

2211
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 1: does painted, you know, a brief but good picture of

2212
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 1: who he is. I think he has a very good

2213
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 1: understanding of his standing and of his journey. And I

2214
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 1: think he's willing to be changed by his journey. And

2215
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that's something I don't think everybody in

2216
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 1: a position like his. Uh, you can say that.

2217
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 2: About Bnix is a tough one for me because of

2218
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:35,600
Speaker 2: the Auburn stuff. I can unsee it sometimes, you know,

2219
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 2: like I just part of the part of it. I

2220
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 2: know how bad he was at Auburn, very Jared stid

2221
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 2: of me, right, like just just not not consistent, not

2222
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 2: good enough.

2223
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 1: All right. The thing is, I think if you, I

2224
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 1: think bo Nicks would also tell you that, which I

2225
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 1: think is part of what makes him a little different. Okay,

2226
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 1: not saying that means draft.

2227
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 2: Him, but all right, tell us about Bazuka Joe.

2228
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:02,799
Speaker 1: All right, So Joe Milton is the most entertaining quarterback

2229
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,040
Speaker 1: in this draft. That doesn't mean best.

2230
01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 2: Daniels.

2231
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's six six, two thirty six. He can

2232
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:14,080
Speaker 1: throw the ball sixty yards just with his top half.

2233
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 1: Now he sprays it. His accuracy is not great, and

2234
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:20,680
Speaker 1: he's great as a scrambler. He's not great as a

2235
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:25,120
Speaker 1: designed runner. But you talk about again, you can't. I'm

2236
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:27,720
Speaker 1: excited for you to see him throw the football, and

2237
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm sending you some clips last night. It doesn't really

2238
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:33,600
Speaker 1: make sense. You watch some of his throws and you

2239
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:35,800
Speaker 1: see his mechanics and then you see how far the

2240
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 1: ball goes and there's nothing else like that. Now he's

2241
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: obviously got to learn to rein it in. But when

2242
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 1: you talk about arm strength, size, and mobility, he checks

2243
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 1: all the boxes that you usually look for in the

2244
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:50,960
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, but he's older, His accuracy isn't there.

2245
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't make good decisions.

2246
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:53,640
Speaker 2: Other than that.

2247
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Somebody's gonna somebody's gonna see him

2248
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: like early on day three and say I can get

2249
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 1: the most out of his kid. Yeah, somebody's gonna see

2250
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:06,799
Speaker 1: him early on day three and just look at the potential.

2251
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 1: And I wonder if he's the guy that you draft

2252
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And it's funny because I think just on

2253
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 1: skill set, on an ability, he's somewhere between Drake May

2254
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:20,759
Speaker 1: and Jane Daniels. So you could draft either of those guys,

2255
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 1: take Joe Milton in the fourth or fifth round and

2256
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: kind of develop them together. And where Joe Milton really

2257
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 1: interests me is almost as a package player. He can

2258
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:34,080
Speaker 1: be or Hail Mary thrower. He'd be an excellent push

2259
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 1: push quarterback. He can do some things running the ball,

2260
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 1: Like you could put him in in spots and utilize

2261
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 1: him in spots where you could take advantage of the

2262
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:46,360
Speaker 1: rare talents he has will maybe masking some of that

2263
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 1: other stuff. So I'm just really interested to see I

2264
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:51,800
Speaker 1: wish I could could see him in person. He fascinates me.

2265
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:53,800
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying draft them, I'm not saying

2266
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 1: make them the start, I'm not saying he's great, but

2267
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 1: just his entire makeup is so unique, right, I talk

2268
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:03,639
Speaker 1: about this every year. That excuse me. There's a there's

2269
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in the draft that you look

2270
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:08,599
Speaker 1: at and they're really good, but there's a player that's

2271
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: good like that every year. There's only so many guys

2272
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 1: you look at every year where it's you've got to

2273
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 1: draft this guy now because you're not going to get

2274
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 1: him next year. Joe Milton is one of those guys

2275
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 1: where you're not gonna find anybody else with his skill set.

2276
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 1: And that again, that doesn't mean it's perfect, that doesn't

2277
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:26,720
Speaker 1: mean it's good. But just as somebody who likes the

2278
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 1: game of football and enjoys the pre draft process, he's

2279
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 1: a fascinating, fascinating, fascinating part of this.

2280
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 2: All right, Well, you just went through a sickness, an

2281
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,600
Speaker 2: illness to just go three minutes on Joe Milton. So

2282
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:42,600
Speaker 2: that's how you know how good he is to you.

2283
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 1: Or how nobody gets you interesting. Interesting.

2284
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say good, you're right how it's just going

2285
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:51,519
Speaker 2: to be clear like he's interesting. Okay, let's let's talk

2286
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 2: about the tackles. So I think there's six tackles uh

2287
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:58,640
Speaker 2: that are going to be in Mobile that are real considerations,

2288
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 2: uh for the Patriots of the top of the second round.

2289
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,560
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna butcher some of these names because some

2290
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 2: of them are tough of Talisi Fugala from Oregon State.

2291
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 4: Uh.

2292
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 2: My guy who I really like a lot is Troy

2293
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 2: fott Neu from Washington, Jordan Morgan from Arizona, Tyler Guidon

2294
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:21,480
Speaker 2: from Oklahoma, Kingsley Sumataia Sumataie.

2295
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 1: I usually practice the names, but obviously I can't speak.

2296
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 2: I'm very sorry. I'm very sorry to to these people's parents.

2297
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:32,960
Speaker 2: I really am. And uh Patrick Paul from Houston. That

2298
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 2: one's easy. So I'm excited about this group. I you know,

2299
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 2: especially when you go to stuff like the Senior Bowl,

2300
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 2: seeing these guys against NFL guys, draftable NFL guys, and

2301
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 2: how they handle power, how they handle those types of

2302
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:50,599
Speaker 2: one on ones. It's a really good snapshot for these guys.

2303
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 2: I mentioned fot New you know, he was the left

2304
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:56,519
Speaker 2: tackle for Washington this past year and they won the

2305
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 2: More Award. You know, they had one of the best

2306
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 2: offensive lines in football in college football. But I know

2307
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:03,679
Speaker 2: there's a lot of love for Morgan, for Patrick Paul,

2308
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:06,679
Speaker 2: for really all this group. But I think it would

2309
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:09,879
Speaker 2: not just shock me in the least if the Patriots

2310
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:11,800
Speaker 2: thirty fourth picking the draft is one of these.

2311
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:14,640
Speaker 1: Six guys, or if they move up if they like

2312
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 1: one of them. But this is I mean, we talk

2313
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 1: about this event is one of those things where you're

2314
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 1: sorting guys out and right now there's seven tackles projected

2315
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:27,679
Speaker 1: to go into thirty pick range basically between called twenty

2316
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:30,640
Speaker 1: and fifty. Of those seven, six will be at the

2317
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl of Marius Mims from Georgia is the loan

2318
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 1: one who won't. But yeah, you know, you could stack

2319
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,080
Speaker 1: them in just about any order of these seven guys

2320
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:42,040
Speaker 1: right now, and you could probably make a pretty compelling

2321
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:45,320
Speaker 1: case for it. So there's a lot to like about

2322
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,400
Speaker 1: all of them. They certainly all have their flaws as well.

2323
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 1: I think this is this especially with the offensive line position,

2324
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:52,720
Speaker 1: like last year, we did this with the receivers of

2325
01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:54,719
Speaker 1: the Combine, and that's because a lot of the receivers

2326
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:56,600
Speaker 1: didn't go to the Senior Bowl. But we were like,

2327
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 1: remember there were those four guys, and it was okay,

2328
01:52:58,280 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 1: what order do they go in with the linemen? And

2329
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:03,680
Speaker 1: an event like the Senior bowls much more valuable than

2330
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 1: an event like the Combine. So we're gonna kind of see, Okay,

2331
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:10,000
Speaker 1: here's these again, men's will be there. Here's these six

2332
01:53:10,120 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 1: guys that are all projected to be within range of

2333
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Who do you like better than who?

2334
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:16,760
Speaker 3: You know?

2335
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:19,400
Speaker 1: This is kind of a big week to decide that.

2336
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:22,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love these events for the one on ones,

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01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 2: Like I think that that's such a big thing. It's

2338
01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 2: just on an island, one on one pass pro against

2339
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 2: NFL draftable talent on the other side, Like how do

2340
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:34,080
Speaker 2: you hold up? Because at the end of the day,

2341
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 2: that's the game now. Like as much as we can

2342
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 2: talk about run blocking and all that kind of stuff,

2343
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:40,479
Speaker 2: if you can't pass protect, that's the item Number one.

2344
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:42,959
Speaker 2: I remember Macro telling me last year at the Combine.

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01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 2: Number one is pass protection, Like can you or can

2346
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 2: you not pass protect? Like that's where we start with everybody,

2347
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:51,760
Speaker 2: and I think that that's a big part of this.

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01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 2: All right, quickly, there's just the.

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01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 1: Three guys I like there that stand out to me

2350
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:03,000
Speaker 1: right now, and we'll see from Washington pros pro pros

2351
01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:06,479
Speaker 1: pro just like a ready made NFL tackle. I like

2352
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul from Houston. I think he has among the

2353
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:11,920
Speaker 1: better upside in the group, if that makes sense. Like,

2354
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:15,080
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that not says a project player,

2355
01:54:15,120 --> 01:54:17,839
Speaker 1: but you can maybe get a little more from with patients.

2356
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:22,440
Speaker 1: And then I also really like Jordan Morgan from Arizona

2357
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 1: and who knows where the jetfish connection is at at

2358
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:26,840
Speaker 1: this point, but Mayo was on the staff with him.

2359
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:28,960
Speaker 1: Maybe a guy they can get a little, yeah, at.

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01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:32,000
Speaker 2: Least some intel out of that. Yeah, how did you say,

2361
01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:34,320
Speaker 2: Troy Fotnuanu?

2362
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 1: Maybe sorry is coughing, I've I've been I've been saying Fatanu.

2363
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:44,720
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, well maybe checked that and mobile I'll figure

2364
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:45,520
Speaker 2: out exactly how.

2365
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 1: Usually when these guys talk to the media down there,

2366
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:49,040
Speaker 1: the first question is can you say your name?

2367
01:54:49,240 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, those guys, he reminds me you said it. You know,

2368
01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:55,280
Speaker 2: pros pro a lot of reps, you know, like a

2369
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 2: lot of experience against top competition. I know the the

2370
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:01,960
Speaker 2: Washington offensive line got exposed against Michigan, but I thought

2371
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:04,720
Speaker 2: he actually had a pretty decent game himself, Like a

2372
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 2: lot of the pressure was coming off the right side.

2373
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:09,919
Speaker 2: Their right tackle got destroyed in the National.

2374
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 1: Gayeah he'll I think he'll actually be at the Swimble

2375
01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 1: as well. He won Rose Garden. He uh, that was

2376
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:17,680
Speaker 1: the guy I liked. I saw that game. He's got

2377
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:18,600
Speaker 1: a lot of making up to do.

2378
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 2: Okay really quickly because only have a couple more minutes here.

2379
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:25,720
Speaker 2: The group of receivers in Mobile next week, it's so good,

2380
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 2: so there's no the top guys obviously aren't going, like

2381
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior or the league neighbors, Romadonza, Kean Coleman,

2382
01:55:33,240 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, Troy Franklin like that. The guys that are

2383
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:38,960
Speaker 2: going in the first round are not going to be there.

2384
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:40,720
Speaker 1: The Texas guys aren't there either.

2385
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, Texas guys too. But we do have

2386
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:47,240
Speaker 2: Xavier l get Lad McConkie, Ted Walker, Johnny Wilson, mclai Corley,

2387
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:51,600
Speaker 2: Ricky Parcel, Brandon Rice from USC, Roman Wilson from Michigan.

2388
01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's other guys that you like too that

2389
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 2: I didn't just name, But that's like eight guys that

2390
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 2: I just rat rattle off that are all going to

2391
01:55:57,400 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 2: be there. One of the most fun things about these

2392
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:01,600
Speaker 2: events is, obviously I mentioned the one on once for

2393
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 2: the lineman. That's more like you know nerds like me. Yeah,

2394
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:07,120
Speaker 2: but the one on ones receivers versus corners, right like,

2395
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:09,600
Speaker 2: that's always a like that. That's where you really get

2396
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 2: the popcorn out. And I think all of these guys

2397
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 2: have some really good route running skill that will could

2398
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:18,800
Speaker 2: wow the crowd a little bit with some of their

2399
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 2: their route running.

2400
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:23,160
Speaker 1: Here, I'm gonna throw a bold take out right now, Levan,

2401
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:26,840
Speaker 1: there are multiple future Pro Bowl receivers at the Senior

2402
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 1: Bowl wow or now Pro Bowl All Pro Wow. Well see,

2403
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 1: you don't seem that wowed by it. They sounded sarcastic.

2404
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:39,240
Speaker 2: No, that's a bold take, IM. I don't know if

2405
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 2: I agree, but it's a bold take.

2406
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:43,640
Speaker 1: You don't think there's multiple Pro Bowl receivers there?

2407
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:44,880
Speaker 2: There could be.

2408
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:48,280
Speaker 1: I think I think there is. We talked a little

2409
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:51,040
Speaker 1: bitbouta get already. I like Tesz Walker, especially if you

2410
01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:53,720
Speaker 1: draft uh yeah, Drake May you compare the two kind

2411
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:56,280
Speaker 1: of similar, you know, downfield, bigger receivers. I want to

2412
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:57,880
Speaker 1: give you a couple of deeper guys, though, and you

2413
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 1: focus so much on the top guys. Uh. Ricky Piersoll

2414
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 1: from Florida. Yep, I'm super interested in him because you

2415
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 1: talk about a guy that plays the game ferociously.

2416
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an aggressive player.

2417
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 1: He's in a good way, oh, in a great way.

2418
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:16,600
Speaker 1: Like I there's times where you talk about separating at

2419
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:18,919
Speaker 1: the top of the route and you're talking about quickness.

2420
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:22,760
Speaker 1: He separates physically and it's not offensive pass interference. He

2421
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:25,840
Speaker 1: just muscles his way through guys. It's it's really fun

2422
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:29,600
Speaker 1: to watch great catch radius. Jacob Cowing from Arizona's a

2423
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 1: really interesting player, kind of a slot guy. Luke McCaffrey

2424
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 1: from Rice, so Christian's brother, Yeah, is going to be there.

2425
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:38,880
Speaker 1: And then the one other guy I want you to

2426
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:41,680
Speaker 1: watch evan is Jordan Whittington from Texas. I think he's

2427
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 1: the lowest rated prospect that'll be there, but he kind

2428
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 1: of got lost. He was the third receiver behind Ady

2429
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:50,560
Speaker 1: Mitchell davy Worthy. But you talk about a guy that's

2430
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:53,200
Speaker 1: just steady, You talk about a guy that's reliable. Like

2431
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 1: he's not the biggest, he's not the fastest, he's not

2432
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 1: the strongest, but he's just always open. And look, obviously

2433
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:00,680
Speaker 1: some of that was, you know with eighty Mitchell z

2434
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:02,840
Speaker 1: av Worthy helped, but not a guy that drops a

2435
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 1: lot of passes, doesn't run sloppy routes. Like some team's

2436
01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:08,760
Speaker 1: gonna find him on day three and he's going to

2437
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:12,920
Speaker 1: develop into a really good, complimentary receiver and I'm interested

2438
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:15,120
Speaker 1: to see. I Look, he's not on the level of

2439
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:17,400
Speaker 1: those other guys, but I do think he's being slept

2440
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:18,880
Speaker 1: on a little bit right now. I wonder if he

2441
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 1: comes away from this week or from Senior Bowl week

2442
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 1: with more of the recognition that he deserves.

2443
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a good list, and I'm excited.

2444
01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:30,560
Speaker 2: You know, I have I have an affinity for Roman Wilson.

2445
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 3: I do.

2446
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 2: I I feel like I see a lot of a

2447
01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 2: mon ros Saint Brown in his game.

2448
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:39,440
Speaker 1: So I'm really interested to see than what you think

2449
01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:41,320
Speaker 1: of Peersaw, because I feel like Pierce All is a

2450
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:46,160
Speaker 1: bigger version of Roman Wilson. Yeah, maybe more of an

2451
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:48,720
Speaker 1: outside version too, but like, yeah, I just look.

2452
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:53,920
Speaker 2: At you know, ability to separate obviously ball you know

2453
01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:57,240
Speaker 2: Billy as a ball carrier, yack receiver, you know a

2454
01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:00,680
Speaker 2: lot of gadget not gadget, but like scheme touches, you know,

2455
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:05,160
Speaker 2: jet sweeps and around slide routes, things like that that

2456
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:06,520
Speaker 2: they would use him on as a lot of the

2457
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 2: different things that Detroit uses him on, Ross Saint Brown on.

2458
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:11,080
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see, but you know, a guy

2459
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:13,600
Speaker 2: like him, and then we really have to wrap. But

2460
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:15,640
Speaker 2: a guy like him Roman Wilson, he's got to be

2461
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 2: like wowing you in one on once right, like, because

2462
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:20,120
Speaker 2: he's he's not fit, he's not a big guy, so

2463
01:59:20,200 --> 01:59:22,560
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to be a route running technician type

2464
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:24,800
Speaker 2: down in Mobile. So, like I said, I'll be down

2465
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:27,000
Speaker 2: in Mobile and Alex and I will do a show

2466
01:59:27,320 --> 01:59:30,800
Speaker 2: on Wednesday afternoon, I think is the plan for me

2467
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:33,560
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. And I'll just throw a bunch

2468
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:35,880
Speaker 2: of names at Alex and he'll tell me way more

2469
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:38,120
Speaker 2: about him than I know. But I hang on here

2470
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:40,720
Speaker 2: and Alex said, thanks again, thanks again for playing hurt man.

2471
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:43,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for putting up with my voice. Everybody. Yeah,

2472
01:59:43,080 --> 01:59:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm hoping I'll be back full strength next week.

2473
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:47,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely and not. Peu's up next, so don't go anywhere.

2474
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:55,480
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