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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode cantat spoilers for the first episode of Night

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Speaker 2: of the Seven Kingdoms.

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Speaker 1: Be warned.

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Speaker 2: Hello is Jason Concepcion and I am Rosy Night. Coming

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Speaker 2: to you from the Local twenty and welcome back to

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Speaker 2: Extervision of the podcast where we dive deep.

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Speaker 1: To your favorite shows, movies, comics and popcorns.

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Speaker 2: We're coming to you from my heart, where we're bringing

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Speaker 2: you three episodes of weekless news plus news.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we're going to be starting off with

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Speaker 3: a recap. We are following that big tall boy Dunk

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Speaker 3: on his little adventure to the Tawny. We'll be digging

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Speaker 3: into that with Jason or Mesta, then the Masta's nominibus.

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Speaker 3: Because it's our very first episode, we had to get

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Speaker 3: some of that lord dive in for you. And then

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Speaker 3: we'll be introducing Letters from the Seventh Kingdoms, which will

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Speaker 3: be our quick thoughts on some stuff the other deep

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Speaker 3: dives might not have considered.

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Speaker 1: But first the reecap.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Night of the Seven Kingdoms is a pilot episode,

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Speaker 2: and what a delight it is. We open on Sir Duncan,

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Speaker 2: a squire slash knight slash hedge Knight in the service

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Speaker 2: to the Hedge Knights. Sir Arlen of Penny Tree, the

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Speaker 2: late Sir Arlen of Penny Tree, who Duncan is sadly

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Speaker 2: burying on a very rainy day. Arlin raised Duncan, mentored

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Speaker 2: him in the ways of honorable knighthood and was, from

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Speaker 2: what we see in the flashbacks, just a little brutal,

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Speaker 2: but like in a loving way. It was very much

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Speaker 2: like a loving I will beat you lovingly because I

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Speaker 2: love you so much. Dunk is alone. He is heartbroken,

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Speaker 2: and all he's got left of Sir Arlyn is his armor,

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Speaker 2: his sword, and his horses and his tattered legacy, which

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Speaker 2: he promises to live up to later. He's like, fuck,

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Speaker 2: I need money. Hey, don't have any money. What do

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Speaker 2: I do? I could sell I've got the Yeah, I've

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Speaker 2: got these three horses. I could sell one. I could,

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Speaker 2: or something. But instead he decides to uh try to

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Speaker 2: where he has heard that there's attorney up and running

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Speaker 2: and uh He's gonna go there right after his bubble.

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Speaker 1: Gets Oh it's going bad for him.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be cozy guys, but it's also gonna still

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Speaker 3: be Game of Thrones and people in medieval times they

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Speaker 3: had bubbleguts. I just want to say, can we also

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Speaker 3: please give some credit to the white horse, who I

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Speaker 3: feel like pointed his little hoof in the direction of

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Speaker 3: the sword and told duncan so go on a quest?

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Speaker 2: Sweetfoot, Sweet sweet sweet foot, I love you.

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Speaker 3: That is a powerful foot you have there, and it

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Speaker 3: was important to send him on this sweet mission. You

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Speaker 3: are perfectly named. That really got me on my second

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Speaker 3: like this is true fantasy, like you need to find

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Speaker 3: if you were worried just because there wasn't necessarily gonna

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Speaker 3: to see some real gross out pooping butts. Oh baby,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna see Dunk's butt so much in this episode.

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Speaker 2: That night pulls into an inn where he meets a young,

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Speaker 2: The inn is this kind of like you know, dark

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Speaker 2: And when Dunk yells at him and basically says like

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Speaker 1: I'll be your squire.

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Speaker 1: And Dunk is like no, absolutely not, like you have

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Speaker 2: He gets to the training grounds outside Ashford, goes to register.

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Speaker 2: Dunk was truly knighted by Sir Arlin, I think hangs

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Speaker 2: hangs over this entire episode. It's absolutely and we'll talk

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Speaker 2: But here in the Reach, you need several things to

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Speaker 2: Sir Manfred is sleeping off like a serious orgy yep,

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Speaker 2: Later he meets Sir Stephen Fossaway the Golden Apple foss Ways.

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Speaker 2: He sees him slapping his cousin Raymond. He challenges Dunk

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Speaker 2: That night, Dunk returns, Sir Manfred's still asleep. The camp

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, Jason, how it's amazing. Tell me how

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Speaker 3: This is like Avatar James Cameron level budget relative this period.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like they've got a dragon. The dragon's breathing fire

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Speaker 2: and it's the costumes and it's incredible. Dunk immediately takes

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Speaker 2: one of the mummers. Cousin Raymond comes up, apologizes for

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Speaker 2: to Lord Lionel Barrathian's tent to grab some food. And

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Speaker 2: Lord Lionel. Well maybe you know, maybe well let's talk

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Speaker 3: To talk about that, I think you'll write, he's rythmly

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Speaker 2: So Lord Brathian is that, you know, at the head

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Speaker 2: no idea, like who really came up here? Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: My my read was definitely that he was like he

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Speaker 1: Probably.

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Speaker 2: He then offers one hundred gold pieces to anybody who

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Speaker 2: then summoned to Lord Lionel's table. Lionel asks because he's

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Speaker 2: like Lord Lionel's like, who's that huge guy?

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Speaker 1: It's very interesting?

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Speaker 2: Why does that? I've never seen him before? And he

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Speaker 1: What's it like? Being huge? He basically asks him.

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Speaker 2: What's up with that? Duncan is kind of self effacing,

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Speaker 2: and Lionel is like, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: No, you're big, you're tall. Own it.

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Speaker 2: Be that guy, be that huge guy that you are.

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Speaker 2: Why are you here? And uh, you know what do

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Speaker 2: you know? Everybody's here because they want a favor, they

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Speaker 1: What are you here for?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Why are you here? You know?

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Speaker 2: Look at this guy. He brought me this thing because

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Speaker 1: What have you brought?

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Speaker 2: And he's like it's like no, no, no, no, I'm just

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Speaker 1: I want to eat. I want food.

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Speaker 2: And Lionel is like, unreal, I've never had this kind

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Speaker 2: So they dance. Uh during the dance, it's clear that

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Speaker 2: Lionel is like taking a shine to Duncan they brow

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Speaker 2: out Dunk as Lionel, Hey, I'm trying to get in

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Speaker 2: sir Orland of Pennytree, like people don't remember him and

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Speaker 3: me both excited to enjoy the beautiful, cozy vibes and

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Speaker 3: also to know that this is not just going to

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Speaker 3: be like, hey, here's a bunch of white people in

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Speaker 3: a pastoral world. There's at everything great, which those stories

435
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Speaker 3: can sometimes verge into.

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Speaker 2: Should we take a break, and we've were right back

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Speaker 2: with an omnibus? Okay, let's talk about what this. You know,

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Speaker 2: what is the shape of this world currently? What is

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Speaker 2: the geopolitical situation in West Ros at this time? The

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Speaker 2: year is two nine, and when a Night of the

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Speaker 2: Seven Kingdoms opens, Westros is enjoying something it's pretty rare

442
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Speaker 2: usually for this this realm piece. The Dance of the

443
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Speaker 2: Dragons civil war ended some eighty years earlier. I'm not

444
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Speaker 2: going to spoil where that leaves us because of House

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Speaker 2: of the Dragon, but basically lots of people died and

446
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Speaker 2: the dragons went along with them. Basically no dragons anymore,

447
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Speaker 2: and that's been the case for many decades. The ruler

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Speaker 2: at this time is King Darren the Second, and his

449
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Speaker 2: predecessor was, you know, maybe the worst king in West

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Speaker 2: ross history e on the Fourth aka a on the Unworthy,

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Speaker 2: and his recklessness and general inability to keep his fucking

452
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Speaker 2: dick in his pants is what led directly to the

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Speaker 2: first and most destructive of the Blackfire rebellions. Talk more

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Speaker 2: about that. Darren is remembered as Darren the Good, which

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Speaker 2: kind of hints at how you know unique. His reign

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Speaker 2: is not a lot of Tigeria kings get like a

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Speaker 2: very simple Hey, this guy was good at it. Darren

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Speaker 2: is not like a warrior king or a half cocked

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Speaker 2: warrior king at like some of his predecessors or the

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Speaker 2: first Darn. He is a scholar. He is a negotiator.

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Speaker 2: He's a patient political mover. He governs through law, through marriage,

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Speaker 2: through careful state craft, through precedent rather than sword and flame.

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Speaker 2: It's an effective style, but it's also one that unsettles

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Speaker 2: many of the great houses. Despite his most consequential achievement,

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Speaker 2: the peaceful incorporation of Dorn into the Seven Kingdoms, This

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Speaker 2: is an achievement that eluded you know, every Targerian king

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Speaker 2: up to this point. For nearly two centuries. Since the

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Speaker 2: days of Agon, Dorn has been able to remain free.

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Speaker 2: It was the one flaw in the image of Targarian inevitability.

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Speaker 2: Agon could burn castles all across Westros, but when his

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Speaker 2: dragons arrived over Dorn, they found the castles that they

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Speaker 2: wanted to burn basically empty, and the forces that they

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Speaker 2: wanted to fight vanished. The Dornish effectively used guerrilla tactics,

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Speaker 2: denying Agon's forces a decisive set peace battle, and you know,

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Speaker 2: his warriors would just kind of like pop out of

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Speaker 2: the sand, ambush Targarian columns, steadily bleeding the troops, and

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Speaker 2: then disappear again. And this was all very annoying the

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Speaker 2: first Dornish attempt at conquer the first Targarian attempt to

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Speaker 2: conquer Dorn ended in absolute humiliation and disaster, with the

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Speaker 2: dragon Maraxis killed by a both through the eye, probably

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Speaker 2: a lucky shot, but still very gary for the Targarians,

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Speaker 2: and Agon's sister, Queen Rainys gone with her dragon, and

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Speaker 2: the Targarians had to retreat. Generations later, the first Earn

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Speaker 2: decided to the young Dragon decided to try again. He

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Speaker 2: had no dragons at this time. This is post the

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Speaker 2: Dance of Dragons, uh, and it was an absolutely brutal,

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Speaker 2: traditional on foot war campaign and it seemed like, after

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Speaker 2: you know, a ruthless campaign of near extermination, that the

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Speaker 2: young Dragon had actually done it. He had won, He

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Speaker 2: had like conquered Dorn, and so he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I won. He turns around, is like, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go back to King's landing now, and he left a

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Speaker 2: governor in place, and as soon as he had was

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Speaker 2: out of the area, the Dornis rose again, killed the governor,

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Speaker 2: and Darren had to come back. He won a bunch

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Speaker 2: of battles on his return and was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm winning again, and it seemed like the Dornish wanted

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Speaker 2: to have, you know, sue for peace. So there's a

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Speaker 2: big summit meeting at which Dearon was assassinated, so that

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Speaker 2: there ends the second attempt to conquer Dorn. Then comes

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Speaker 2: there on the second he learned all the lessons that

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Speaker 2: Egon and the original darn had put forth, and he

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Speaker 2: realized that, you know, I'm not going to be able

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Speaker 2: to beat them by force. If they couldn't do it

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Speaker 2: with dragons, we're not gonna be able to do it now.

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Speaker 2: So he basically offers what had not been offered before,

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Speaker 2: which is like a good faith negotiation and kind of

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Speaker 2: respect on something akin to.

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Speaker 1: Equals, and.

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Speaker 2: He created this like carefully negotiated alliance package that was

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Speaker 2: sealed by marriage, which would bring Dorn into the realm,

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Speaker 2: not as a conquered province, but basically as like a

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Speaker 2: kind of partnership. He agrees to leave Dornish custom in place,

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Speaker 2: Donish law in place, allowing Dorn a level lot of

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Speaker 2: autonomy that is very unique within the Seven kingdoms, and

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Speaker 2: he seals the deal with his own marriage to the

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Speaker 2: Dornish Princess Mariah Martel and.

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Speaker 1: Lock it in. Dorn is part of the realm.

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Speaker 2: This is great, right, everybody's happy. No, actually, there is

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Speaker 2: a lot of resentment about this because to many of

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Speaker 2: the lords this looks like a kind of favoritism, like

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Speaker 2: they've been jumped in line. It's like they're thinking, hey,

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Speaker 2: we spend all this blood and treasure standing by the

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Speaker 2: Targarian's time and time again as they go in to Dorn,

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Speaker 2: losing our own people, and now King Darren marries one

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Speaker 2: of the enemy instead of like my sister or my

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Speaker 2: daughter or whatever, the foreigner. They folks didn't exactly love it,

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Speaker 2: but the targeting court does grow broader more culturally diverse

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Speaker 2: and stronger and a little less politically predictable. Darren proves

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Speaker 2: that the realm can evolve. Meanwhile, his critics are like,

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Speaker 2: is this guy a true dragon? We don't.

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Speaker 1: We're very suspicious of him.

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Speaker 2: All of this is happening on the tail end of

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Speaker 2: a still smoldering fault line, which was the first Blackfire Rebellion,

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Speaker 2: which ended, you know, just maybe thirteen years ish before that.

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Speaker 2: Darren's legitimized half brother, Damon Blackfire, was like the picture

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Speaker 2: of what many lords wanted a king, a good looking guy,

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Speaker 2: a great fighter, chisel jaw, charismatic, openly heroic. His father,

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Speaker 2: Eggon the Unworthary, very foolishly gave him Blackfire the sword

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Speaker 2: of egg On the Conqueror, which seemed to many and it's,

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Speaker 2: you know, a solid argument. I think that in doing so,

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Speaker 2: Egon basically said, Hey, this is the guy that I

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Speaker 2: want to succeed me. However, he was a bastard, so

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Speaker 2: that's a problem. Egon also basically all of his great bastards,

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Speaker 2: the bastards that he made with other royal family members,

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Speaker 2: you know of royal houses within the realm. And this

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Speaker 2: was you know, a very divisive thing. It split the

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Speaker 2: realm and the banners were raised in war. The war

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Speaker 2: ended on the Battle of Red grass Field. Brendan Rivers

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Speaker 2: aka the Three Eyed Raven was a key leader in

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Speaker 2: turning back the tide of Damon Blackfire, loosing his elite

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Speaker 2: archers the Raven's Teeth from the high ground onto Damon's position,

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Speaker 2: killing him and driving the Blackfires off the field. However,

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Speaker 2: he did get the the He was considered a kin

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Speaker 2: slayer after this, as this was his, you know, half brother.

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Speaker 2: He was also a albino and looked very scary to people,

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Speaker 2: and people didn't trust him. But yet he's an absolute

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Speaker 2: hero in this moment despite his sinister look, and the

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Speaker 2: rebellion collapsed. It was all over, but it was not finished.

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Speaker 2: The Blackfire loyalist fled to saus To by their time,

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Speaker 2: and they would attack again many many other times after this.

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Speaker 2: But peace kind of takes hold. And that is the

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Speaker 2: state of things when we meet Sir Dunk and the

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Speaker 2: Tall with everyone believing the worst is essentially behind them,

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Speaker 2: but quietly preparing for war to happen again. That Targarians

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Speaker 2: are still in control, though can we say firmly it's unclear,

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Speaker 2: but everybody understands that without the dragons, it's probably only

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Speaker 2: a matter of time before someone truly challenges them. Rosie,

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Speaker 2: let's take a quick break and give our quick thoughts

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Speaker 2: on the first episode of Knight and Seven Kingdom Errach,

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Speaker 2: we're back.

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Speaker 3: It's led us to wester ros Jason. Jason, tell me

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Speaker 3: your first quick take. What's your thought to west Ross?

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Speaker 3: Tell him how it is.

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Speaker 2: My first quick take is Dunk. I don't understand what

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Speaker 2: Dunk was trying to do with his pooping behind the

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Speaker 2: tree posture. It was like he was he trying to

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Speaker 2: hide it was a very skinny tree. Shouldn't you crouch down?

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Speaker 2: I don't understand what the what the what the pose

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Speaker 2: was for. That's all the butt should have been hidden.

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Speaker 3: I agree. I'm gonna go with Lionel Barrathian Chillist Birathian today,

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Speaker 3: west Ross question Mark also as Ian put it before

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Speaker 3: by Rathians. He's definitely giving rendly is this almost out

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Speaker 3: gay king? Yet he's giving gay. I'm excited to see

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Speaker 3: where that goes.

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Speaker 2: I also love Solanel Bathian, just incredible. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: with dear Tansell. We talked about it in the recap.

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Speaker 2: But where does who is designing this stuff? There is

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Speaker 2: who is the production designer making this dragon? Who is

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Speaker 2: where is the flames come from? This is incredible, and

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Speaker 2: I mean the the Targerian should put you like to

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Speaker 2: work creating like fake dragons or flamethrower weapons or something like.

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Speaker 2: This is incredible. That's all that is true.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, hey, who's making all the sick Jesta

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Speaker 3: clothes for the guests too?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: This is like there must be levels and levels of

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Speaker 3: the unbelievable production values going on.

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Speaker 2: There are costume shops.

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Speaker 3: They're making sure that everyone has matching looks for the

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Speaker 3: mummering party in line Brathians after party ten. I just

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Speaker 3: feel like I need to know where the Jester Department

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Speaker 3: store is and I will be there.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Finally, I love the hard cut out of the

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Speaker 2: Game of Thrones theme as a way to signal, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is not your this is not your father's.

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Speaker 1: Game of Thrones series.

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Speaker 2: What did you think of that? I hard cut love that.

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Speaker 3: I also just want to say general, I think the

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Speaker 3: use of music and this is amazing. I love the

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Speaker 3: kind of cozy like magical very Lord of the Rings coded.

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Speaker 3: Also at the end. It was really giving Rainbow Connection

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Speaker 3: by the iconic Paul Williams obviously written forkermat the Frog

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Speaker 3: and the Muppet Movie. Yeah, so no, I loved it,

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Speaker 3: and I loved how they went from like there was

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Speaker 3: a couple of little cheeky moments like that and thank

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Speaker 3: you for this west Us and those within it. But

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Speaker 3: like when his first thing that he does is go

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Speaker 3: no rapists, like don't be rapin with his sword, Like,

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Speaker 3: they make a couple of little jokes about the tenor

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Speaker 3: of Game of Thrones, and I think the hard cut

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Speaker 3: out of like d to him just like poop in hilarious, Yes, wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I'm loving the music, loving the vibe, and loving the

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Speaker 2: way that they're signaling like this is going to be

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Speaker 2: different from than what you're used to. Well, on the

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Speaker 2: next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into stuff. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us. We're going to be covering this show

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Speaker 2: as it completes its first season and we can't wait

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Speaker 2: to keep covering it. And that's it for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Hie x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and

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Speaker 2: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Our Executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kolefman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bai wag.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and Hide.

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Speaker 3: Our disc called moderate, though