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Speaker 4: Indeed we do. We got a big show today.

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Speaker 2: The one and only Professor Jeffersas is going to join

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Speaker 2: us to be able to break down that big Ukraine

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Speaker 2: summit from yesterday, So really looking forward to hearing what

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Speaker 2: he thought of everything that has transpired to this date.

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Speaker 2: We also had some other interesting sound come from Trump

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Speaker 2: as a part of that summit, talking about how he's

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Speaker 2: true social do the same effect also sort of floating

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Speaker 3: Wants to copy Ukraine. Yeah, got the idea.

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Speaker 2: Lots of take note of there and break down. Also,

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Speaker 2: we're asking the question whether Gavin Newsom is going to

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Speaker 2: mean his way to the presidency. He seems to be

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Speaker 2: making some progress in regard very interesting dynamics unfolding. There

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Speaker 2: a little bit of weird horseshoe going on as well,

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Speaker 2: so we'll break that down for you. The ADL chief

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Speaker 2: is just outright lying about Zorn Mandani, so we've got

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Speaker 2: the receipts on that, and some quite noteworthy developments visa

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Speaker 2: the Israel Hamas has.

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Speaker 4: Accepted a cease fire deal.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't get too excited yet because you know Israelis

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Speaker 2: will probably decide they just want to continue the war.

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Speaker 4: But we didn't want to give you those details.

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Speaker 2: As well as some other updates before we jump into

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Speaker 2: the show. In this interview with Professor Sachs, Sager had

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Speaker 2: some great breaking news yesterday, very significant. Why don't you

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Speaker 3: Here our premium members are dropped at last night just

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Speaker 3: the story about Tom Alexandrovitch, the Israeli government official who

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Speaker 3: And most importantly, he was here basically on government business

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Speaker 2: First, the other detail there is the undercover agent who

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Speaker 3: Indeed, we will continue to follow the case hoping to

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Speaker 3: We are very excited now to be joined by our friend,

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Speaker 3: and he's gonna help us break down the Trump, Ukraine

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Speaker 1: Here's Trump refusing to rule it out.

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Speaker 3: We'll be involved, Professor, So not refusing to or basically

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't believe we've just had eleven years of

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Speaker 7: They've been in a hot war over it for eleven years,

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Speaker 7: And the Russians aren't going to just say, yeah, Trump,

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Speaker 7: We have to understand where the war came from and

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Speaker 7: And maybe this is going to end this crazy misadventure.

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Speaker 7: the hardline warmongers, and Mertz is a true warmonger. He

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Speaker 3: Just to back you up, on the Mertz point, the

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Speaker 1: What has now come out.

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Speaker 8: We all would like to see a ceasefire the latest

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Speaker 3: Place, so you could see he says an immediate cease fire.

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Speaker 7: Nobody speaks in a straightforward way. Maybe that's to be expected,

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Speaker 7: What are the alternatives? Mertz he hasn't said one thing

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Speaker 7: And so this is a very important observation. This is

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Speaker 5: This is unbelievable to me.

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Speaker 7: But this is part of what this war is about,

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Speaker 2: The next day, by the way, the exact opposite thing

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead, guys and play a two.

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Speaker 9: We had a very good conversation with President Trump, very good,

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Speaker 2: And Professor Zagar and I both noted he seems to

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Speaker 7: First, it's important to understand that there is martial law

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Speaker 7: ended this war on far better terms than anything that's

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Speaker 7: going to happen now, he let the United States talk

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Speaker 7: him out of that. Maybe he's a mere puppet anyway,

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Speaker 7: but instead of signing an agreement that was on the

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Speaker 7: table on April fifteenth, twenty twenty two, in the so

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Speaker 7: called Istanbul process, he walked away from a peace agreement.

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Speaker 7: Since then has lost massive territory and probably a million

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Speaker 7: Ukrainian dead.

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Speaker 5: So I'm no fan.

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Speaker 7: I have to say, no admirer, a no believer that

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Speaker 7: this is defending Ukrainian democracy.

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Speaker 5: There is no democracy.

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Speaker 7: And so one of the things that makes us the

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Speaker 7: idea that if Zolensky meets with Putin, he's shown to

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Speaker 7: be on the big stage globally, and then he can

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Speaker 7: maintain his power, either through winning a reelection perhaps or

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Speaker 7: just expanding and extending his military rule. But this seems

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Speaker 7: to be the carrot that Trump is dangling to Zelensky.

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Speaker 7: I'll put you on the big stage. We won't overthrow you,

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Speaker 7: we won't let Putin diss you. You'll have respect. But

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Speaker 7: you have to give in on this and this so frankly,

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Speaker 7: you know, Zelensky is Look, he's losing a war on

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Speaker 7: the battlefield. He doesn't have the public support. He rules

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Speaker 7: by martial law. By all accounts which I can't personally verify,

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Speaker 7: but by all accounts, the regime is incredibly corrupt, and

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Speaker 7: so not only am I no fan. I think probably

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Speaker 7: what Trump is trying to do is to appeal to

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Speaker 7: the most narrow and bassist survival instincts of Zelensky himself

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Speaker 7: and dangling this meeting with Putin the big stage summit

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Speaker 7: as the prime and then getting Zolensky in one way

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Speaker 7: or another to basically and the rhetoric of fighting on

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Speaker 7: to restore the nineteen ninety one borders.

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Speaker 5: I think that's what's happening.

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Speaker 3: Last thing we wanted your take on, sir, is some

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Speaker 3: of the continuation, because you know, the threat from the

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Speaker 3: United States is well, if this doesn't work, we'll just

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Speaker 3: go to more sanctions. As if Russia is not the

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Speaker 3: most sanctioned country in the world already we've actually seen

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Speaker 3: we can put a seven please here on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Both Lindsay Graham and the White House advisor to Peter

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Speaker 3: Navarro say that India's quote, Russian crude oil buying must stop.

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Speaker 3: Of course, even the imposition of fifty percent tariffs on

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Speaker 3: India has not changed their behavior a single iota. In fact,

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Speaker 3: Narandramodi is posting about phone calls with President Putin just yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I believe I was reading this morning that the Chinese

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Speaker 3: Foreign Minister is actually in New Delhi as of this

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Speaker 3: morning meeting with the Indian Foreign Minister, so still holding

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Speaker 3: up a middle finger to the US in response to

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Speaker 3: the ease tariff. So it does appear that many of

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Speaker 3: the cards that are supposedly left to play both by

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Speaker 3: the Europeans in the US don't really exist.

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Speaker 1: If they want to put any more quote pressure on Russia.

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Speaker 7: Lindsey Graham is the worst senator in the US Senate.

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Speaker 7: I just want to be on the record stating that

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Speaker 7: I will state that every show you have me on's

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Speaker 7: He's a fool, just a fool. Okay, let me put

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Speaker 7: that aside. To get onto the substance. The imposition of

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Speaker 7: the twenty five percent penalty tariff on India was the

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Speaker 7: stupidest tactical move of US foreign policy for a long time.

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Speaker 7: And that's saying a lot. By the way, I could

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Speaker 7: make a list of the top ten, the top twenty.

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Speaker 4: I'd like to see that list, Professor.

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Speaker 5: Yes, talk about that sometimes.

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Speaker 7: But what it did overnight was unif by the bricks

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Speaker 7: countries as never before. That is Brazil, Russia, India, China

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Speaker 7: and South Africa. I watched it, by the way, pretty

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Speaker 7: close up actually, because I know the leaders in all

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Speaker 7: of these countries. Within twenty four or forty eight hours,

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Speaker 7: there was a flurry of calls Brazil with India, Brazil

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Speaker 7: with Russia, Brazil with China, China with India, China with Russia.

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump was the great unifier of the bricks and wonderful. Okay,

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Speaker 7: I like the bricks, by the way, so I have

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Speaker 7: no problem with that, but the opposite of what Lindsay

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Speaker 7: Graham conceivably could have been thinking. Or Peter Navarro, who okay,

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Speaker 7: I'll put him on the list of probably the most

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Speaker 7: incompetent PhD that my former department ever Granted he is

511
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Speaker 7: a PhD in economics that apparently learned nothing, certainly didn't

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Speaker 7: take my class. But in any event, going after India,

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00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 7: a country that the US has been cultivating for strategic

514
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Speaker 7: and diplomatic relations, and it's a long story, but trying

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Speaker 7: to get India on side against China and the so

516
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Speaker 7: called quad Arrangement and so many things, and Trump ended

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Speaker 7: it overnight. Because, by the way, even if this twenty

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Speaker 7: five percent tariff penalty is removed, and I think it

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00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 7: probably will be. The Indians learned a lesson that I

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00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 7: was trying to tell them, by the way for years,

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Speaker 7: you cannot trust the United States, and they no, No,

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Speaker 7: we've got the inside track, We've got good relations No,

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Speaker 7: you don't. There's no ability to have a trusting relationship

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Speaker 7: with the United States. This is improv land and you're

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Speaker 7: not going to get the kind of relationship that you think. Well,

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Speaker 7: everybody in India understands that completely. Not only have the

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Speaker 7: bricks country has been together, but in the media in India,

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Speaker 7: in the print and online media non stop days and days,

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Speaker 7: what is the United States doing?

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Speaker 5: We have to find our friends and so forth.

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Speaker 7: So this was a blunder that has zero practical import

532
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Speaker 7: of getting anyone to any negotiating tables, zero, But it

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Speaker 7: completely undermined one strand of US foreign policy built up

534
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Speaker 7: for years. I don't like that strand, So I like

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Speaker 7: the bricks so good. The bricks are much stronger and

536
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Speaker 7: more united now than ever.

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Speaker 5: Fine.

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump united them, Peter Navarron united them, Lindsey Graham

539
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Speaker 7: united them.

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Speaker 5: Congratulations, totally agree.

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Speaker 2: Professor, Thank you so much for spending some time with

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Speaker 2: us and helping us understand all these issues.

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Speaker 4: We're going to have you back to get that top ten.

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Speaker 1: List though we do. Thank you very much, sir.

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Speaker 5: Okay, let's do that. That'll be fun, all right, great

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Speaker 5: to be with you.

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Speaker 10: So.

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Speaker 2: In addition, obviously to some of the comments we just

549
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Speaker 2: played you about Ukraine and Russia in the summit yesterday,

550
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Speaker 2: Trump also made some pretty interesting comments about our own elections,

551
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Speaker 2: including announcing that he wants to get rid of mail

552
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Speaker 2: in ballots all together. Let's go ahead and take a

553
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: listen to that.

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Speaker 5: Mail in ballots are corrupt.

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Speaker 6: Mail in ballots. You can never have a real democracy

556
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Speaker 6: with mail in ballots, and we as a Republican party,

557
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Speaker 6: are going to do everything possible that we get rid

558
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Speaker 6: of mail in boots. We're going to start with an

559
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Speaker 6: executive order that's being written right now by the best

560
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Speaker 6: lawyers in the country to end mail in ballots because

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Speaker 6: they're corrupt. And do you know that we're the only

562
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Speaker 6: country in the world I believe I may be wrong,

563
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Speaker 6: but just about the only country in the world that

564
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Speaker 6: uses them because of what's happened, massive fraud all over

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Speaker 6: the place. The other thing, we want change of the

566
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Speaker 6: machines for all of the money they spend it's approximately

567
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Speaker 6: ten times more than paper ballots, and paper ballots are

568
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Speaker 6: very sophisticated with the watermark paper and everything else.

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Speaker 4: He is wrong.

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Speaker 2: There are dozens of countries that use mail in ballots

571
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Speaker 2: around the world, but this devetails with a true social

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00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: push post. He also put up this the first element

573
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Speaker 2: in this block. Guys, we can throw this up on

574
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Speaker 2: the screen, he says. I'm going to lead a movement

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Speaker 2: to get rid of mail in ballots. And also, while

576
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Speaker 2: we're at it, highly inaccurate, very expensive, and seriously controversial

577
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Speaker 2: voting machines which cost ten times more than accurate and

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Speaker 2: sophisticated watermark paper, which is faster, leaves no doubt the

579
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Speaker 2: end of the evening as to who won and who

580
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Speaker 2: lost to the election. We are now the only country

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Speaker 2: in the world that uses mail in voting.

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Speaker 4: Again, not true.

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Speaker 2: All others gave it up because the massive voter fraud encountered.

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Speaker 2: We will begin this effort, which will be strongly imposed

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Speaker 2: by the Democrats because they cheat at levels never seen before,

586
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Speaker 2: by signing an executive order to help bring honesty to

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six mid term elections. So TLDR. Here

588
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Speaker 2: he's saying, he's going to sign an executive order that

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Speaker 2: will get rid of mail in ballots. He targets is

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Speaker 2: directly at the midterm elections and says, effectively, the only

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Speaker 2: reason that Democrats win is because they cheat. This comes

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Speaker 2: on the heels of some comments he made after his

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Speaker 2: meeting with Putin, where he claims Putin told him you

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Speaker 2: got to get rid of these mail in ballots.

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Speaker 4: This is absolutely preposterous. This is be three guys, let's

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Speaker 4: just what he said Putin.

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Speaker 1: This is what.

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Speaker 2: Exactly Yeah, which is what he claimed that put Maybe

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Speaker 2: he did. I mean, it would be the sort of

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Speaker 2: thing that Putin could say to sort of play to

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Speaker 2: his ego, et cetera. Anyway, let's go ahead and play

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Speaker 2: B three.

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Speaker 11: Vladimir Putin said something, one of the most interesting things.

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Speaker 11: He said, your election was rigged because you have mail

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Speaker 11: in voting. He said, mail in voting every election. He said,

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Speaker 11: no country has mail in voting. It's impossible to have

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00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 11: mail in voting and have honest elections. And he said

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Speaker 11: that to me. It was because we talked about twenty twenty.

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Speaker 11: He said, you won that election by so much, and

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Speaker 11: that's how he got it. He said, And if you

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Speaker 11: would have won. We wouldn't have had a war. You'd

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Speaker 11: have all these millions of people alive now instead of dead.

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Speaker 11: And he said, and you lost it because of mail

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Speaker 11: in voting. It was a rigged election. But mail in voting, Sean,

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Speaker 11: there you.

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Speaker 2: Go again, insisting that we're the only country that does it.

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Speaker 2: That's just simply not true. But in any case, Sager,

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Speaker 2: what did you make of.

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Speaker 3: What actually apparently in Russia? You know what's really crazy?

620
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Speaker 3: You can actually vote online in some place, which sounds

621
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Speaker 3: even frankly like.

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Speaker 1: Or less secure. I mean, does your vote count for anything?

623
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Speaker 1: I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of people showed images Trump himself has voted

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Speaker 2: mail in.

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Speaker 1: By the way, man, we got to get with the

627
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Speaker 1: Russian playbook. People who cannot come to.

628
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Speaker 3: A polling station, who are elderly or disabled well can

629
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Speaker 3: request that election officials bring a portable ballot box to

630
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Speaker 3: their home. Not the same as the male in system.

631
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Speaker 3: It's even it's much more courteous. Remote mail in voting

632
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Speaker 3: or remote online voting in certain regions, not in Moscow.

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Speaker 3: Opposition groups have raised concerns about I mean, I guess

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't be saying this because that's not exactly.

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Speaker 1: The Russian elections are like the greatest, most reinfair, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in the whole world.

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Speaker 3: This has always been my biggest be with the GOP,

638
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Speaker 3: and it's one of those which really annoys me because

639
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Speaker 3: two of the states, because a Marshal is from Oregon,

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Speaker 3: and I think I was there in Oregon visiting them

641
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Speaker 3: when they were voting, and I saw them fill out

642
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Speaker 3: their ballots and I was like, wait, so you guys

643
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: don't vote in person at all. Their voter participation is

644
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: actually very high, and it's super convenient, like they get

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00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: it at home. Everybody goes through and fills out their

646
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Speaker 3: ballot and you can go and drop it off at

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Speaker 3: a number of locations. There is identity of verification like

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Speaker 3: in terms of sending it in. But their voter participation

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Speaker 3: is actually quite high. I mean, that's all what I

650
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Speaker 3: really care about. I think high voter participation is good.

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Speaker 3: One of the things which is also annoying this is

652
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Speaker 3: very outdated, is that in the old days, the Republicans

653
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Speaker 3: would win the low turnout elections and the Democrats would

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Speaker 3: win the high turnout election. Republicans now have switched it

655
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Speaker 3: and are much better off with low turnout voters as

656
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Speaker 3: we saw in the twenty twenty four elections. So you

657
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: actually want more people to vote in your election in

658
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: terms listen, I mean these the people who dominate low

659
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: turnout elections, like suburban white ladies, an activists and all

660
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: these other people. You don't want those people to be

661
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: the only people who can vote because they'll drag their

662
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: ass across town to go stand in line for two

663
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Speaker 3: three hours a day. It's the you know, workman or

664
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: electrician or something like that, who is much less likely

665
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: to come out and voteunless they feel very strongly to

666
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 3: actually do so. So, just purely from like a tactical

667
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: point of view, I don't think it makes.

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Speaker 1: A lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: But that's just look I mean, in terms of his

670
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: ability to do it, as I understand it, they can

671
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: try to use the DHS to set standards. But in

672
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 3: part of the reason why we are where we are

673
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: with the most inaccurate like voting system in terms of

674
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: like compiling votes in the over a short period of time,

675
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: it's because we have completely unfederalized elections, which is a

676
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: lot of pluses and minuses.

677
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: Like pluses.

678
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: Now, when Trump is president, he can't just come in

679
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 3: and decree how Oregon or whatever is.

680
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: Going to count votes.

681
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 3: But the minus is, what is that New York takes

682
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: three or four weeks to count vote. It's ridiculous California,

683
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 3: in New York, it's out. And that is the one

684
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: thing I just wish Dems would acknowledge. It's like, guys

685
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 3: like I can't do it this way. It undermines trust

686
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: in the system and it's just ridiculous. I mean, the

687
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: most developed countries in the world can count votes in

688
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: twenty four hours, and even lesser developed countries, countries like India, Brazil,

689
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: Brazil has results in like twenty four hours, you know,

690
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: I think in the UK, Australia, all of them, every

691
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: time I've covered their elections, we know the exact winner,

692
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: you know, the night of even in fractional ones like

693
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: in France where they have to tally up various different

694
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: like parties and look at the percentage base. So that's

695
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: the one thing where for the Democratic states, like they

696
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: have to stop pretending like their voting system isn't just

697
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 3: like weird to the naked eye. And that's what provides

698
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff for the conspiracy theorists.

699
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're correct.

700
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: I'm just you know, I'm pointing out, yeah, like the

701
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 3: inefficiency is a huge problem.

702
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair in fairness, though it's not California or

703
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: New York's results that have been disputed by Trump. No,

704
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: not because they're not swing states.

705
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: I am not saying that whatsoever.

706
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that the conspiracy theorists would find a

707
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: reason to be unhappy with the results that don't go

708
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: their way no matter what. Absolutely, and so that's why

709
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: I think one aspect of this is you're right. Tactically,

710
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: this is absolutely idiotic. We have brains and memories longer

711
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: than a goldfish and can remember back to twenty twenty

712
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: when arguably Trump lost the election because of the way

713
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: that he derided mail in balloting, and it's very possible

714
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: that that made up the margin in some key states.

715
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: It definitely did, especially in Georgia.

716
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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty four, they learned the lesson.

717
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: They had very aggressive you know, quote unquote ballot harvesting processes,

718
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: especially in state like Pennsylvania, they really encouraged mail in

719
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: voting and lo and behold, Trump wins. Not to say

720
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: that was the only factor, but it certainly didn't hurt

721
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: that they were actually you know, availing themselves of all

722
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 2: of the methods with which they could gather votes and

723
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: get their voters to the polls. And now he seemingly

724
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: has forgotten that lesson on the other hand, because this

725
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: executive order is not going to be able to you know,

726
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: get rid of mail and balloting across the country because

727
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: it states quite plainly in the Constitution that the states

728
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: are responsible for setting the time and manner in place.

729
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: Of the of the voting.

730
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Speaker 2: What this is, really, in my opinion, all designed to

731
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: do is to cast doubt on the electoral results so

732
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: things go very poorly for him in the midterms, which

733
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: they are pretty likely to do, just historically and judging

734
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: by where his approval writing is and how you know,

735
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: people feel about the Republican Party having complete control of

736
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: DC right now, so that he can then say this

737
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: was all rigged, this was all fake, and really cast

738
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: out in the same way that he did in twenty

739
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: twenty with the regards the presidential election, cast out on

740
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: those results as well, and then you're off to the

741
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: races with challenging you know, as members of Congress come

742
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: to be sworn in and to be seated. Then you're

743
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: challenging individual members. This was rigged, this wasn't fair, et cetera,

744
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: and creating a giant chaotic mess that he can try

745
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: to use to his advantage. I think that's more what

746
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 2: this is about. And remember this isn't the first thing

747
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: that he's done or said with regard to voting in elections.

748
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: He also had a big executive order earlier. He's been

749
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: trying to get some of the election roles and voting

750
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: apparatus from different states sent to d C for analysis.

751
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: So this is an ongoing project and this is the

752
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 2: you know, latest iteration of this. He also said something

753
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: that was quite striking about the you know, as Professor

754
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: Sax was just reminding and informing all of us Ukraine

755
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: right now is not a democracy's Lenski rules by military

756
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: fiat effectively, and Trump seemed very interested in learning about

757
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: this when he was sitting there with Zelenski. This is

758
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: before guys, let's go ahead and take a listen.

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Speaker 6: So you say, during the war you can't have elections,

760
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 6: So let me just see three and a half years

761
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 6: from now. So you mean, if we happen to be

762
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 6: in a war with somebody, no more elections.

763
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Speaker 9: So it's good.

764
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Speaker 6: I wonder what they.

765
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Speaker 1: Really funny hilarious.

766
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: Well, it's very hilarious too for Zelensky, you know, inviting

767
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: the thing on democracy to to joke about canceling elections.

768
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: It's just super hilarious.

769
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: This is part of the hypocrisy, like on the entire thing, Christal,

770
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: I wish I could say that it was a conspiracy

771
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: theory everything you just laid out, But considering what happened

772
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, you can't.

773
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: Say that, can now that's it? It's like, well, like

774
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 4: while he's joking, but yeah, and we can.

775
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: Uh, well not about the war thing, but about what

776
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: you were saying about contexting contesting potential races. It's like, well,

777
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 3: you know, you already did it, and you know Congress

778
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: is full of a lot of other people. Or they

779
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 3: would they really willingly want to turn over power, especially

780
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: if the Democrats take it. They could set up a

781
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: huge fight with Mike Johnson with you know, more like

782
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: establishment Republicans and empty You can imagine like the MTGS

783
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: or whatever the world contest or at least turning it

784
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 3: into a show.

785
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: I mean, who hell knows?

786
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 3: Right in terms of accepting members because the body has

787
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: to accept to swear them in. I mean, I guess

788
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: I could be uncharted territory.

789
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

790
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: And here's the other thing with regard to you know,

791
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: those specific comments about, oh hey, maybe if you have

792
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: a war, you don't have to have an election, is

793
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: we have seen the playbook that he has used in

794
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: this administration where what does he do He uses the

795
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: pretext of a supposed emergency in order to claim more

796
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: extraordinary powers. I mean, big balls being you know, beaten

797
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: up in DC and now we've got National Guard coming

798
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: in from all over the country for this, you know,

799
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: to stand around in Georgetown or on the National Mall

800
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: or at Union station or whatever you have. The tariffs

801
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: are justified based on a quote unquote emergency. This is

802
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: the playbook that he has used time and again throughout

803
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: this administration. So is it really so crazy to think

804
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: that this guy, who has never showed any indication that

805
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: he ever wants to give up power in any circumstance,

806
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: and who could face again potential legal ramifications if he

807
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: is no longer president of the United States certainly a

808
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: possibility that continues to be on the table. Do we

809
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: really think that it's crazy to imagine, and he's considering

810
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: the potential mechanisms to claim, you know, to continue to

811
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 2: stay in power past when he, you know, is democratically elected.

812
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that crazy to consider, especially when

813
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: you're now we're can show this, we can play this

814
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: next one. He has a part of place in the

815
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: White House where he's got campaign merch, which, first of all,

816
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: again any other president, you would be like, this is

817
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: a scandal. Right with him, it's just like people don't

818
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: even notice. But not only does he have campaign merch,

819
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: he's got Trump twenty twenty eight campaign merch sort of

820
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: like hidden away that he was showing off to the

821
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: head of Azerbaijan recently in the in the White House.

822
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a look at that.

823
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 10: You know, you're not allowed to run a bit so

824
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 10: because everyone I'm twenty eight points higher than anything everybody

825
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 10: wants me to run, but including everything, you know, it's funny.

826
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 10: So this strategy creates, you like, for one more years,

827
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 10: so it's.

828
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 9: Sot of cool.

829
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: Bannon also says he's going to you know, they're going

830
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 2: to figure out Trump twenty twenty eight. Trump says different

831
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: things about this at different times, but again.

832
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: He recently said he wouldn't run.

833
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you you just can't put anything past him. And

834
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: whether he actually runs again, or whether he comes up

835
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: with some pretext of emergency he says we're not having

836
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: the elections, whether he has some sort of a puppet

837
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: who he feels like he can control and has to

838
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: come and like pay homage to him personally, I don't

839
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: see any indication that until he is you know, until

840
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: he is done with this world, that he is going

841
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: to just willingly hand off power.

842
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 3: I think he won't run again, but he'll do what

843
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 3: I've predicted, which is be the king in waiting down

844
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: in mar A Lago who can constantly derail things, you know,

845
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: with the truth, social post or any of that. He

846
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 3: can be the anointer of the Republican Party. I've used

847
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: the analogy to Ronald Reagan, and I think I've also

848
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: just wondered watching Trump now. I genuinely think he might

849
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: be bored of actually being president. I remember noticing that

850
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 3: whenever I would interview him, it's like, you know, he's

851
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: almost childlikely gets distracted by things that are literally on

852
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: his desk, and that's why he's been doing all of

853
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: these great renovation projects in the you know, like the

854
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: ball you love them, Yeah, the the you know, the

855
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 3: rose garden or the gilded office or the ballroom or

856
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: the flagpole. Like he spends a lot of time, you know,

857
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: looking at these things. I'm not making this to remember

858
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: he went on the rooftop right like that seems to

859
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 3: be what a decent amount of his attention is actually

860
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: captured on. Is like leaving his own imprint on the

861
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: White House. Probably the most transformative of the physical real

862
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 3: estate of the White House since Harry Truman, who oversaw

863
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: a total renovation of the building.

864
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Speaker 2: But also definitely the most like queer coded president with

865
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: like real love of Broadway musicals and interior design.

866
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't go that far because there's nothing makeup

867
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: and hair and makeup. There's nothing tasteful about Maybe this

868
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: is stereotypical, but there's nothing tasteful about the.

869
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: Gilded the opposite, that's what I mean.

870
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Speaker 3: So it's actually a very masculine code if you ask me,

871
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, it's what somebody would think is

872
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: a good idea of decoration. If anybody's been watching HBOS

873
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: The Gilded Age, it's very It reminds me a lot

874
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: of how that stuff looks, or if you've ever spent

875
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: any time in the Middle East, that's basically what the

876
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 3: Saudi's and Kataris and all that stuff. I think is

877
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: tasteful in terms of their decoration. Just my own personal bias,

878
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: just saying, you know, not exactly the way I would

879
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: do it, but yeah, generally here with Trump, the most

880
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: likely look, the mail in ballot thing is probably doa

881
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: in terms of the way that they actually want to

882
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: do it, sewing or questioning election results.

883
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to question that. That's definitely gonna happen if

884
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: they do.

885
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: There's just no question right in terms of how it

886
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 3: operationalizes and all of that. I tend to think it'll

887
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: probably won't go anywhere, but I could be wrong. You know,

888
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 3: he is the president. He can actually do a lot

889
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: of whatever he wants. And this time around, you know,

890
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 3: he've got Pam Bondi and these other morons who work

891
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: for him, so who knows, right, it's actually I mean,

892
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: there's a lot more up in the air where you know,

893
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 3: Maga and all other people rightfully in the past would

894
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 3: have been like, oh, that's not going to happen.

895
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: But now it's like, well, I don't know, you know,

896
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: I personally don't know.

897
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: Did you see they brought in some other guy to

898
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: be co FBI deputy alongside Dan Bongino. I mean, it's

899
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: definitely like a demotion for Dan. I think it was

900
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: like the Missouri AG or something.

901
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: Missouri AG promoted him to the deputy.

902
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 5: Uh.

903
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Bongino is being punished for speaking out. Yeah,

904
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: if I have.

905
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: Kids, you remember he had that whole like, you know,

906
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: sort of like mental breakdown, and then there were the

907
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: rumors that he was going to resign, and then he

908
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: came back and whatever.

909
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: There were no rumors. It was him on the phone.

910
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 3: I can exclusively Okay, it's not a rumor, all right,

911
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: whenever he calls people and says, hey, I'm.

912
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: Thinking you're resigning, So apparently that's that's going on. Let's

913
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: put B six up on the screen. This is kind

914
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: of the last piece to put this, you know, the

915
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: pieces all in place. This was from a little while ago,

916
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: but Trump is demanding a new census to exclude undocumented

917
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: immigrants and redraw all the lines. Now do I think

918
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 2: they're going to be able to pull this up before

919
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: the midterm elections, census collection, it takes them years. They're

920
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 2: already preparing your purpose. They're already preparing for the twenty

921
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: thirty census now. So you know, the idea that they'd

922
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 2: be able to pull this off in time without court

923
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: challenges and get all the maps redrawn, I don't think

924
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: that's going to happen, but you do have you know,

925
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 2: the state of Texas.

926
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 4: Is redrawing their maps.

927
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: California, this will transition us into Gavin and what's going

928
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: on there. California is likely to retaliate and redraw their

929
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: maps as well. There are some other red states. There

930
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: are more red states that could redraw maps that you

931
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: know have full Republican control than there are Democratic states.

932
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: But all of this is a long way of saying,

933
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 2: you know, I think the playbook.

934
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 4: Is number one.

935
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: They're going to try to tilt the playing field as

936
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 2: much as they can to mitigate the potential midterm losses.

937
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: So that's number one then, and number two. As part

938
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: of that, there's going to be more of this casting

939
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: doubt on mail in ballots and casting down on the

940
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: process and creating the pretext and the narrative so that

941
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 2: if and when they do perform poorly in the midterms

942
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: that he can continue to so doubt on various electoral results.

943
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: And you know, I guess the question is whether or

944
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: not it's going to be quote unquote too big to rig,

945
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 2: because if you have Democrats, let's say, win the House,

946
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: but it's by two seats, then you could see an

947
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 2: all out court challenge and court challenges, an all out

948
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: narrative attack on those you know, whichever results were the

949
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: closest in whichever states they have, you know, the most

950
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: ability to cast out on if it's like could be

951
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 2: in California, and then the things you were saying about

952
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: how long it takes to cast the ballots that could

953
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: come into play. You could see the way that this

954
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: would all play out because while it's not you know.

955
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 4: It's at the end of the world for Trump.

956
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: If Democrats do win the House, it would mean that

957
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 2: they have subpoena power and they could cause some trouble.

958
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: He hasn't interested himself too much outside of the One Big,

959
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: Beautiful Bill and actually passing legislation through thousand and the Senate.

960
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: He prefers to act through executive orders, so it's not

961
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: like that aspect of his power would be curtailed. But yeah,

962
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: if you got Democrats in there, you know, doing subpoenas

963
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 2: on the Epstein files, on all of the incredible corruption

964
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: right throughout this administration, it could be an issue for him.

965
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 4: He could end up getting impeached.

966
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: Yet again, that's certainly possibility that's on the table, So

967
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: it's not something that he is wanting to see unfold.

968
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's I don't know, I have no idea.

969
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 3: Like you said, it could be several different scenarios. If

970
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 3: you win forty seats, then is not you know, like

971
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 3: two seats challenging or whatever is not going to happen. Yeah,

972
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: or any of that, I will say. On the census point,

973
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: that is something I one hundred percent. So we've thought

974
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 3: about this before. If you'll recall from the first Trump

975
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: administration about the idea that illegal should count in the

976
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 3: US Census as if they deserve representation when you're literally

977
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: not here legally in the country. It is a major

978
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 3: actually argument from the Commerce Clause, which original or the

979
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 3: Commerce Department, which conducts the census. And if you'll recall,

980
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: one of the first times that I truly realized how

981
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: incompetent the Trump administration was is when they tried to

982
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 3: do this in their first term, which again actually would

983
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 3: have changed the twenty twenty census results. Is when never

984
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 3: they were they implemented a rule, but the Supreme Court

985
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 3: struck it down actually because they did not do the

986
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: rule properly, misfiled the paperwork, and then Wilbur Ross lied

987
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 3: about it actually at the time. But I know that

988
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 3: there's all these legal fights about whether illegal should count

989
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 3: or not.

990
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's at a principal.

991
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: Level, it's preposterous the idea that you're here illegally in

992
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 3: the country.

993
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 4: Your beef is with the Constitution.

994
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: No Christ specifically, I've heard this lib I've heard in

995
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: each state.

996
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 3: Okay, so I've heard this lib nonsense now for a

997
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: long time. But there's still a lot of questions about

998
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: that person's and citizenship as to how it should be.

999
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: It has not yet faced any scrutiny a number of

1000
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: it has as a repeats, has not faced representation or

1001
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: any scrutiny before the United States Supreme Court that masion

1002
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: thirty five million people here living illegally getting representation in

1003
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 3: the Congress.

1004
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 4: Get the constitution.

1005
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: The constitution change the constitution specifically refers in the places

1006
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: where you know it's only for citizens. It specifically refers

1007
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: to citizens. Here it says the whole number of persons

1008
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 2: in each state.

1009
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 4: So you may not like it.

1010
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 2: You may not think that was what the founders in

1011
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: ten That is what the Constitution say.

1012
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: As I said, it has faced zero scrutiny before the

1013
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 3: US Supreme Court. The only time that's ever gone down

1014
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 3: was whenever it was improperly implemented in twenty eighteen.

1015
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,479
Speaker 1: Because of Wilver Ross.

1016
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 3: I would ask again for any person to think it

1017
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: is it is reasonable in any way that some thirty No,

1018
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: by the way, nobody even knows that number is like

1019
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 3: probably a lower estimate that who are living here illegally

1020
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: deserve representation in the US Congress, which skews things. By

1021
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: the way, this is like the Republican fantasy dream that

1022
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 3: people get imported into the country and that it increases

1023
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 3: their overall congressional representation in the United States.

1024
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.

1025
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: It's almost like quasi citizenship giving the ability for a

1026
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 3: number of electoral votes. If the illegals were all deported,

1027
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 3: who even knows the number.

1028
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: Of electoral votes for the way that our system would change.

1029
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 3: So I mean, there's just I think it's indefensible the

1030
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 3: idea that people here.

1031
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 4: I think the electoral college is in.

1032
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: I think that the way the Senate is designed is indefensible.

1033
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 4: But I don't pretend.

1034
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: Like the you know, like it's set up any differently,

1035
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: like I have some.

1036
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 3: Court you really believe people here illegally should count to.

1037
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: For electoral college.

1038
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: I genuinely think states First of all, I think that

1039
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: we should have path to citizenship so you have many

1040
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 2: fewer millions of people in the shadows who are undocked.

1041
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: Well, that's very can too for legal people.

1042
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: Giving politically all sorts of reasons why people who are

1043
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 2: here in this country, who are living and working and

1044
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 2: part of communities deserve political representation. But putting my feelings

1045
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 2: aside about it, the Constitution is pretty clear about it.

1046
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: As I have said, it's not clear.

1047
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 3: It's never faced scrutiny before the US Supreme Court, and

1048
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: we will find out how it actually hopefully will find

1049
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: out how it actually goes. I just think, look again,

1050
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: I ask any reasonable person.

1051
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,959
Speaker 4: Again, Texas would lose a lot of power.

1052
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: I care go ahead.

1053
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 4: I don't think it's not even.

1054
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: This is all a you know, live I mean, that's

1055
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: the way that it's it's frequently portrayed I think with

1056
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: some like lib plot if but it's not even that

1057
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: you know at this point.

1058
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: No, no, no, First, California is nobody again even knows

1059
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 3: the population. It could be up to ten percent of

1060
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: the population of californ maybe even more.

1061
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: California and Texas are the two states that have the

1062
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: largest population and also.

1063
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 3: The number two documented im most populated states, so they

1064
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 3: would still have proportional number.

1065
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: Of repeah that we still have larger.

1066
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: But I'm saying though that California, the idea of that

1067
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: their appropriation should baby based on the population of illegals

1068
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: is crazy.

1069
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean.

1070
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 3: And then same again, I don't care whether at least

1071
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 3: are more Republican or Democrats. This is purely a philosophical thing.

1072
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous, this idea New York. Sorry, my earpiece is

1073
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 3: falling out, but New York. I'm trying to think of

1074
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 3: any of the other states that would be probably majorly impacted.

1075
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:46,959
Speaker 1: I think Florida as well.

1076
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: But my point is on that one is it will

1077
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 3: all decrease in all of the populated states.

1078
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: Two of the states that we just listed or read

1079
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: two of the states are blue.

1080
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: So fine, again, I could care less how it actually

1081
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 3: works out, like in the immediate term. I'm saying purely

1082
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 3: from this idea, and this has been a scandal. I

1083
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 3: think from the very beginning of mass illegal immigration that

1084
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 3: very few people ever actually want to acknowledge or talk

1085
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 3: about and pathway to citizenship though is exactly is basically

1086
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 3: rewarding people with political power for breaking the law.

1087
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: That is no, there's no other class of.

1088
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: People that gets rewarded with political power with representation in

1089
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: the Congress for breaking laws. Well, felins can't even vote

1090
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: in like half the states in the entire country, but.

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Speaker 2: In legal which would also be changed. Okay, I also

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Speaker 2: been wildly opposed. I think people who are in prison

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Speaker 2: should be able to vote. But I know I'm an

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Speaker 2: olympics say but in any case, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's not spiral into a whole immigration debate. But I

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Speaker 2: think we can acknowledge the immigration system has been completely broken.

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Speaker 2: I am of the view you disagree that immigrants are

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Speaker 2: a benefit to the country, that it is good to

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Speaker 2: have people wanting to come to this country, that they

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Speaker 2: contribute to society, that they are part an integral part

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Speaker 2: of what makes America America. And so you know, to

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Speaker 2: support pathway to citizenship to gant those people status who

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Speaker 2: have been here, have been working, who have been paying taxes, doing.

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Speaker 4: The right thing. I agree. I agree with that, and

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Speaker 4: at this.

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Speaker 1: Point I think that's very rosy. First of all, that's

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Speaker 1: not true. But no, no, it's at all.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the pulling on what because the way you just

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Speaker 3: framed it, his nice little rosy little picture, right, So

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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, the guy who came yesterday gets to

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Speaker 3: also get a pathway bitsiship, what about the guy who

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Speaker 3: came forty years ago? That's why everybody groups all immigrants

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Speaker 3: in the same group, and they don't divide anybody by

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Speaker 3: education status GDP, income, ability to contribute to the country,

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Speaker 3: whether they're going to be on welfare. When you ask,

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Speaker 3: you start to get down on the nitty gritty, is like,

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Speaker 3: do you think people are going to be on welfare

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Speaker 3: for fifty years deserve citizenship? Absolutely not, of course not.

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Speaker 3: Most people would radically oppose that. So that's my point.

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Speaker 3: It's just that broadly the way that this is all

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Speaker 3: being framed right now, and I get it.

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Speaker 1: You know, you'll get smoke from this from the liberals.

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Speaker 3: But the point is that when you actually pose a

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Speaker 3: lot of this to people.

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Speaker 1: The details matter more than anything.

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Speaker 3: So this whole pathway to citizenship question and political power.

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Speaker 3: I think if more people knew that their electoral system

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Speaker 3: was being rigged on behalf of a lot of illegals,

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Speaker 3: it would be furious about it.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm not sitting here claim the election is stolen.

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Speaker 3: It's the way that it's always been, so be it

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Speaker 3: as I have always said, it should be changed in

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Speaker 3: my opinion for the US Supreme Court. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I just think that it's This is a classic, in

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Speaker 3: my opinion, democratic like overreading of what people actually think

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Speaker 3: about immigration.

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Speaker 2: Sixty four percent of registered voters favor giving most undocumented

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Speaker 2: immigants status thirty one percent before deportation. Support is strong

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Speaker 2: among Democrats, eighty nine percent, independent, seventy one percent. Republicans

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Speaker 2: are the only ones who met oppose it.

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Speaker 3: This is like saying that medicare for all is popular whenever, Like, well, okay,

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Speaker 3: but then I'm like, oh wait, what about transgender surgeries?

1143
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: Is that going to be covered by taxpayer dollars? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: In medical care across the board.

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Speaker 1: Medically see This is what I mean about defining terms.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, so welfare, transgender, care of a vaccine,

1147
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Speaker 3: you're going to mandate all vaccines.

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Speaker 1: For all the time.

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Speaker 4: Does not relate to Medicare for all because if.

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Speaker 3: It's a one pair system, then they could deny you

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00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: coverage and you can have seek no actual like individual

1152
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Speaker 3: ability to go and pick whatever type of doctor. That's

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Speaker 3: what a government run system would look like for coverage.

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Speaker 4: Then they can not the way medicare works up.

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Speaker 3: No, but no, but it is because if they're refusing

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Speaker 3: to cover thing or you can get denied coverage. This

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Speaker 3: is a classic example of all socialized medicine systems.

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Speaker 1: It's one of control.

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Speaker 2: I mean, no, that's not true, but I mean there

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Speaker 2: are many ways you can do this Medicare. You know,

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Speaker 2: people are happy with Medicare. It costs less than the

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Speaker 2: private health insurance system. And yes, Medicare Medicare for all

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Speaker 2: is very popular. The reason it doesn't exist is because

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Speaker 2: of a political class that is opposed to it. With

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Speaker 2: regard to immigration, we have seen, and I think you

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Speaker 2: would agree with this, a huge backlash to Trump era

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01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: policies I agree, that have led people to be quite

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Speaker 2: supportive actually of immigrants, seeing them as a benefit to

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Speaker 2: society just in general, which actually majority has always felt

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Speaker 2: that way, and supporting specific policy proposals such as a

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Speaker 2: path to citizenship for most undocumented immigrants. On the specific

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Speaker 2: question of how people feel about this, and says, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't think they know, right, I don't

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Speaker 2: think they've probably thought.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: But just to bring it all back before we go

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Speaker 2: any further afield, so we can talk about Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 2: and his freaking memes, I will just say, we'll see

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Speaker 2: what happens at the Supreme Court with the census, even

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Speaker 2: if they're even competent enough to get it to that point,

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Speaker 2: because the plane face reading of the Constitution says all persons.

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Speaker 2: It does not specify citizen non citizen the way that

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Speaker 2: you want it to, and so we'll see. Then again, listen,

1184
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Speaker 2: the score is very political, so they may find some

1185
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: convoluted way to interpret it that way. But certainly the

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Speaker 2: plane face rating of the Constitution says all whole persons, and.

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Speaker 4: We'll leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we'll see with that. I agree, all right,