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Speaker 1: Let's welcome Jeff Minnell. You guys look good. Great. What

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Speaker 1: wanted to get out. We would do whatever. So the

424
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Speaker 1: process would be, you guys would leave, and then the

425
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: studio and network would give notes. And the first season

426
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: in particular, maybe even the first couple of seasons. You

427
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: know Michael, you know, he's a very convincing guy, very

428
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: powerful guy, and and he was able to almost talk

429
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 1: them off every note they would give. He goes, well,

430
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, I understand what you say, but we're gonna

431
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 1: do this and this and this, and so they would

432
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: give notes, we would go back and do a rewrite,

433
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: and we would have to stop its sundown. I actually

434
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: believe I'm blameing this world. We're a little more efficient

435
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 1: on growing sports. Well talked like it was just it

436
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: was terrible. But yeah, because you guys would write all weekend.

437
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: We would work on Sundays. I don't ever remember working

438
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: on a weekend for Boy. So I think we would

439
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 1: either finish or maybe we would come in early on

440
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: Monday and try to finish, because then we would have

441
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: our run through first right on Monday, producer run through Monday,

442
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 1: so we can see what worked and didn't work based

443
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: on you know, some jokes would die, you know, some

444
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: jokes are really funny in the writer's room. And then

445
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, crickets and you go, oh, man, So we

446
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: do that. Then we do another rewrite that night, and

447
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: then the next day is the network student, how late

448
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: would you go on like a Monday night, Yeah, on

449
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 1: a Monday night. And and by the way, I remember

450
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: so I was brand new and April um she I

451
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: know she felt like the room. We talked about April Kelly.

452
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: But she's a little bit of a mystery on our shows.

453
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: She was she was really she was. She was really

454
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Speaker 1: good writing. She was a very interesting personality. Um. So,

455
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: she didn't want all of us in the rewrites like

456
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: me and Sherman. By the way, all of us just

457
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: meant me in. Sherman had to alternate. She she wouldn't

458
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: have one more person there. I always wanted to stay.

459
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: I go, I don't care, I'll stay at five in

460
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: the morning. I just want to be part of this.

461
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: This is so exciting and so and she just wanted

462
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: a smaller group in the room. That was That's what

463
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: she said. By the way, the group was already thirteen.

464
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what fourteen people would be anyway, but

465
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: but a lot of times it would go it would

466
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 1: go late. I kind of remember there were a few

467
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: three in the morning kind of but not not a

468
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: ton that show what's it got going? You know, lest

469
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: the script was really bad and we had to do

470
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: a scratch redwrighte which sometimes we we had to do.

471
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: Then it could go you know, horribly. But yeah, first,

472
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: so the first year for me was just kind of

473
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: all fun. Uh yeah, remember what's that a run? The

474
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: Rusty did like a back flip forward the kitchen counter

475
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: just just enter and I'm like, I just pointed, like

476
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 1: look at it. You see that it goes. We don't point,

477
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: you just just watch, but don't point. How far in

478
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: advance did you guys have of the script ideas down,

479
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: because that's something we've talked about a lot. Is like,

480
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: you know, even so episodes once you knew to Pango

481
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: was going to be a part of the of the

482
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: cast and like a regular regular cast member, how far

483
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: in advance like didn't then was Stepangan just added into

484
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: episodes that had already kind of been written. No, no, no, um, Well,

485
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: first of all, you know, when the season first starts,

486
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: you have a lot of time. Yeah, it was six

487
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: weeks even I don't remember what preproduction is, but that

488
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: that's all that is, is coming up with stories. It

489
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: was it was actually my least yeah, I got you know,

490
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: he would say, all right, everyone coming tomorrow with ten

491
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: story ideas. I'll never forget that go. And by the way,

492
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: I didn't think of any storylines coming into the show.

493
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think we'll get started, will be a little run,

494
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: you know, feeling out process. Come with ten ideas, you

495
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: come in the next day and maybe he likes one

496
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: something like a few of another. And then so that

497
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: there would be like if out of thirteen or fourteen,

498
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Speaker 1: if you would be like a hundred and forty ideas anything,

499
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: some of them would be like b storylines or you know,

500
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 1: they would get interesting. What would happen? And by the way,

501
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: and sometimes uh, at least the first season, like you

502
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: can pitch an idea that he likes, but you don't

503
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: necessarily get the script. So it's just kind of which

504
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: is fine, kind of a free for all thing. And

505
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: so that's at the beginning. Then you have time and

506
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: then pick a bunch of stories and then you start

507
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: if he likes ten, we start breaking the first one

508
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: and you break it and then the writer who's a

509
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: sign that gets off goes rights an outline. Explain to

510
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: our listeners what it means to break to break an idea.

511
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: So say you come out with an idea like, um,

512
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Speaker 1: what was the Women's World episode? Okay, well that well,

513
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: I didn't pitch that one. I have no idea how

514
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: that got the genesis. Um, well, actually, let let's do

515
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: the other one, kid Gloves because that Michael's Michael's father dad,

516
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: Arnie Jacobs. I think he boxed in the Navy. Maybe

517
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: he won those silver bloss I don't remember that, but

518
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: that just that that started a conversation. That's the idea,

519
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: and that led to that episode. So whoever is the Sun?

520
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: And I was assigned that one? Wasn't my original idea.

521
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: As a room, you kind of break down the story.

522
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: You kind of figure out, okay, you know the plot lane,

523
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: and what's the cold open, what's you know, the first act,

524
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: what's the act break? And then how's it gonna end?

525
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: And you start talking that out, and then you've got

526
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: to break it down scene by scene by scene by

527
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: scene for the outline, because the outline has to be

528
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: approved by Michael and I guess maybe even the studio

529
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: and network. And once you get an outline, then a

530
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: writer is sent off to go write that script. And

531
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: in the very beginning, writers will be given two weeks.

532
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: And since I was brand new, uh, ed suggested, why

533
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: don't you fly to Jersey, be with your wife and

534
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: daughter and go right one and and uh and that's

535
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: what that's what the first season was like. Later on,

536
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: you you know, especially when we wrote, like when it

537
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: became a producer level, you're involved in everything. You don't

538
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: go off. You right in between rewrites, right and between

539
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: everything else. And I actually prefer that. I like being

540
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: in the office, said around everything, because you don't want

541
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: to miss out, you know, you like you want to

542
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: be part of We run through every rewrite. Um, so

543
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: breaking the stories like you know, you gotta figure out

544
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: is there a story? And now this is one area

545
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: where michaels I gotta say this kind of this is

546
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: his biggest genius. You'll pitch an idea and he'll he'll

547
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: if he likes it even a little bit, he goes

548
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: right hold on and then he'll see if he can

549
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: see the whole story. And if you can't, you can't

550
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: convince him, and he'll go, no, that's not gonna work

551
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: the next idea, you know. And but other times you'll

552
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: pitch an idea, you have no idea, where's gonna go.

553
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: You just hope he likes it and goes, Okay, that's good,

554
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: that's good. I can see this is what's gonna happen.

555
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna happen. And it's just you know, and

556
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: then and then you know the rewrite process, right, so

557
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: we all rewrite as a group. You turn it into script.

558
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: It's very hard on the heart and the ego. You know,

559
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: you put your blood and sweat and you go, well,

560
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: this is the greatest script ever written. And you know,

561
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: you find out how wrong, how wrong you were. Because

562
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: also part of the problems you guys are professional actors.

563
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: We these writers would have to act out your role

564
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: and you would hate giving certain parts to certain people

565
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: because they were horrible. Like I'm not a good actor.

566
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: You know, I sweat a lot, I get nervous, and

567
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: sometimes I push your line and a writer would go,

568
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: you pusher that line, but Michael can still see through it.

569
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you do you do? You do a

570
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: read through with the with the writers, and then he'll

571
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: either and then you just wait for either the acts

572
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: to come down or Okay, that's okay, that's workable. But

573
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: sometimes none of this works, and you know you're you're

574
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: you feel bad for the rest of the writers because

575
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: that means it's gonna be a hard week. If he goes, okay,

576
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: that's good, it's like a sigh of relief, you know.

577
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: And did you ever fight? Did you ever fight for

578
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: anything that everyone was like, this isn't working and you

579
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: knew it would, and it's just like, no, I'm telling

580
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: you this is gonna work. Maybe the actors didn't hit

581
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: it right there in the run through, because again, that's

582
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: the other thing is it's it's such a symbiotic relationship

583
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: because you can write the greatest script in the world.

584
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: If we are off that day and we're not committing

585
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: to the material, you're not gonna be a to see

586
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: what the script could be. So I mean that's we

587
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: we would always That's why constantly people would tell us

588
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: or you hear, trust your writers, because you then have

589
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: to commit and run into the wall full speed hoping

590
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: you knock it down. Knowing that sometimes you're just gonna

591
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: knock yourself unconscious. But was there every time you can

592
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: remember where you're essentially saying, no, I know this is

593
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: gonna work. They didn't nail it today, it's gonna work.

594
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: Let's keep it in. I mean me personally, probably not often.

595
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean a couple of could times did you fight?

596
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: Mostly you fight for a joke that you like, and

597
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: that's something you learned also to be honest as a writer.

598
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: The jokes aren't at that as important. I mean, there's

599
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: some jokes that I love so much that I did

600
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: fight a little bit and Network cut because they had

601
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: like a little part of a bad word in it,

602
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, like it was your dumb mass you know. Yeah,

603
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: that was a Matt Lawrence line season seven. Yeah seven,

604
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: Matt Lawrence. They cut that and and Michael I think

605
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: fought for I mean, like me, here's the truth. We

606
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: could have a bad run through and not knuckles. You

607
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: guys sucked just because whatever, it's just something was off.

608
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: And say a lot of times we can see through it,

609
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: but sometimes you can't. You know, if we'll give it

610
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: another chance. If it doesn't work in the second one,

611
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: there it's gone. No matter what you do. So I mean,

612
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: people have fought for lines and fought for moments um

613
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: and usually you know they are really good, they'll they'll

614
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: stick in there. The scripts do get better. The process

615
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: as much as sometimes as painful as a writer did

616
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: just see your script go, you know, I mean, And

617
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: by the way, this is way before like computer, So

618
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: sometimes Michael would take a pencil and scratch out everyone.

619
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: And I have a quick question. Do you remember your

620
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: favorite joke that you wrote that got into the show?

621
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: Do you have like a favorite line? I mean, you

622
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: know that's you're not supposed to do. It's not cool

623
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: to do it. I have to that I think are

624
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: ascribed to you. Well, well no, well nose for dumb

625
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: has to be honest. That was one of my favorite jokes.

626
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: He hated hated losing that, um and the only one.

627
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: And I only tell it because Michael tells it, so

628
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: I feel like he's the one who talks about it.

629
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, he talked about this joke for

630
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: so many years, it sounds like I wrote one good joke,

631
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: which I wrote, I wrote one great joke. But I

632
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: mean again, it's a righteous The whole process. This gets

633
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: right it was all shared. It was the you know

634
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: you would you and Corey in the closet when you know,

635
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: maybe I always thought that I was your joke and

636
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know if you only thought it because Michael told,

637
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: he told, he told everyone that he goes Minella wrote

638
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: that one, and literally this is ten years after Women's Roll.

639
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: He's thought about that one joke. So it kind of

640
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: I kind of got labeled by that one joke. But anyway,

641
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: but it's still my favorite line. We were just talking

642
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: about it. It's still like my favorite line. It makes

643
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: me laugh every time. And then the other one was

644
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: just something something creepy under boat Andy. Was that YouTube? Yes,

645
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: well it was in this It was in my first

646
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: that's what my That was a kid gloves right, it's

647
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: a second script. I wrote, I think something cold under

648
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: boat Andy, and he changed creep which is much funnier,

649
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: much funnier. Wait, so I do want to just go

650
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: back and remind the audience what the line is that

651
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: both of you guys were talking about that when Phoene

652
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: catches you guys in the closet, right or say what

653
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: it is, don't move, maybe he doesn't see us and

654
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: sharing right at them from a listen to the two things.

655
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that really works is Bill's look

656
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: of like are you how stupid are you guys? His

657
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: look was great, you guys were great, And it was

658
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: just on the heels of Jurassic Park coming out too,

659
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: like Jurassic Park was only a year old, where that

660
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: whole idea of like not moving and the t Rex

661
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 1: wouldn't say, it was just don't move. You know, this

662
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: is going to sound very pretentious, but I'm not very

663
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: right to read, you know, and so but I will

664
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: just say that I remember we were in the in

665
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: the writer's room and we were having trouble coming on

666
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: with the line, and I actually, you know, so you

667
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: get credit for this writer? I go, what would Sean say?

668
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, actually did back that I dumbed down? But

669
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: I just I just wanted to say, so, you know, Sean,

670
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, I say, Sean broke the line

671
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: and it was in the air the Jurassic Park. But

672
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: it just but great. By the way, there's a lot

673
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: of stuff I don't remember, Like people said, was that yours?

674
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't you know. There's one John Strauss I tried

675
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: and out of context not even the funny life. But

676
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: it's just like it was a funny moment, I go,

677
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: I go, that was yours. No, that was yours, like

678
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: we thought. I know, I'm saying, remember and by the way,

679
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: that never happens in a register. Yeah, that was mine. Yeah,

680
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: but do you have a favorite episode that you wrote?

681
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: And why is it? And then there was Sean, and

682
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: there was and then there was Sean. Yeah, that's something

683
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: we should we should we should bracket very quickly by saying,

684
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: because have we always referred to it? Yeah? Yeah, but

685
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: I mean, well again, and I really do want to

686
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not humble or anything like that. You know,

687
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: every script you guys get is rewritten with the room,

688
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, through Michael's eyes, through the whole room. That

689
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: one though, you know, maybe that one I probably more

690
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: lasted than a lot of fun I had a subscripts

691
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: and were totally rewritten that one. It's unfair because it

692
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: was a really fun, so different type script. And I

693
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: will say this, it's the only script I ever I did.

694
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: You know you said you ever fight for any thing.

695
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: We were talking about doing this kind of movie thing,

696
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: and I am I love movies so much. To know

697
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, you know my I won't tell you my

698
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: email because but you know, you know it's film is

699
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: in there. You know something else I love and and

700
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: actually I'll never forget. I I not that I was

701
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: a pushover, but I was like just so grateful to

702
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: be there. And I wasn't aggrssive or ambitious even. Yeah,

703
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: I never took a meeting while I was right, everyone's

704
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: off right. I didn't know you're supposed to use this

705
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: as a launching pad to get somewhere else. I just

706
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: don't know. Boy, just rolling run forever and I'm good,

707
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: you know. But I went to Michael's office. I said, listen,

708
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: there's something being talked about. And I think and someone

709
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: else was maybe running the show at the time. I

710
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: don't remember why I went to him elsewhere, but I said,

711
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: I really, I I can this is I should write this,

712
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: this is this is just in my wheelhouse. And he

713
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: gave it to me. And I mean, I I had

714
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: a live about this. By the way, I wrote it

715
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: like in two days. But he goes, I remember third

716
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: through third day and he goes, where are you, Like, oh,

717
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm like a page thirty goes you better not be

718
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: You should be on page ten. I of course I'm

719
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: on page ten. It was done. It was just so

720
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: much fun to write and and and putting different kind

721
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: of lines in your guys mouth was It is such

722
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 1: a classic episode then, easily the number one most talked

723
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: about episode over the years. Still to this day, we

724
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: go to conventions, we meet people, it's the number one episode.

725
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: People want to talk about articles about it like they've

726
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: done full breakdowns every Halloween. Yeah, I gotta tell you,

727
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: and I'm not overstating this. Yeah, I wrote, I wrote,

728
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: I wrote a good draft and it got better in

729
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: the rising room. But I want to give nine credit

730
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: to Jeff McCracken. This guy, he got that script and

731
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: I've never seen he was so yeah. He goes, oh

732
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: my god, I know what I'm gonna do with this.

733
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: And I remember our first run through in the lighting

734
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: and the music, right, colchor and every everything you were together.

735
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: But you guys said you had a great time fulling around,

736
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: but it worked perfectly against you by any chance. Remember

737
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: the name of the janitor, the actor who played the

738
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: janitor now but someone you know what. Yes, I actually

739
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: was sort of interviewed for this for some whatever online thing,

740
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: and he said. I heard that. He said he was

741
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: an actor that was known from something else, but I

742
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: don't remember his name. I looked at him up a

743
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: long time ago, but he was there. You saw him too, right.

744
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: We're still trying to track him down, and now we're

745
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: wondering if he never product that's why he didn't get credit.

746
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: There's no background, so no, I think, I think I

747
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: want to say, either mccrack or someone on set you

748
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: saw him and brought either him or a picture up

749
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: to Michael's. Yeah. Perfect, And my guy, was he perfect?

750
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: He was so scary. Now I know how humble you are.

751
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: And also and I also know the truth that jokes

752
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: and scripts get rewritten by everybody. But two of my

753
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: favorite jokes in the entire series are in that episode

754
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: the screen. Episode one is the pencil joke. Will always remember.

755
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: He was great, That's why. I don't think that's why

756
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: that's and I don't want to give every other line

757
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: that's not mine to Michael, but I'm pretty sure that's not.

758
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: But that's a great joke. I love that it was

759
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: also Michael's. I did to have him slide down the

760
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: wall with the pencil. That was that was great. And

761
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: then My other favorite joke is I will get as

762
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: close to dying as you can possibly get keep dying. Yeah,

763
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: that's a great I love that joke, and I thank you.

764
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: And it's not mine. I don't know who. I also

765
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: think that was Michael's. Again, I don't want to take

766
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: away from any other writer. Yeah, I'll be I'll always

767
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: be honest if I if I don't know was mine,

768
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: I'll say I don't think it was. They're tenious lines.

769
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: Whoever wrote them, credits and whoever wrote them, they're both

770
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: they're both genius. So those are just two of my

771
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: favorite jokes. I have a question. So you're in the

772
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: writer's room now, writer. I think writer alluded to this

773
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: the other day that apparently we've heard that there were

774
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: certain writers that were maybe not more acclimate. It's not

775
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: the right way to say that that maybe had the

776
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: voice of a certain character in their mouth more than

777
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: somebody else, Like, oh, they always they're they're great with Sean,

778
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: they're great with Eric, they're great with Tapanga. It was

779
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: that true, you know that was true, Like you know,

780
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: Matt Nelson, to be honest, and especially in the Lady Years,

781
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: was considered the voice of Sean especially when Sean became

782
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: very you know, deeper, and maybe so Matt Nelson, Yes,

783
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: that had a lot of eggs and and but it's

784
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: a great He was also a great writer, was a playright,

785
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: so I mean, but it wouldn't be like he would

786
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: do all the song lines. But sometimes was you know,

787
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: especially in the script that he wrote or someone else wrote,

788
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: he would have he could get that voice. Michael would go, Matt,

789
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: you know right, what did say here? Yeah? Exactly? And

790
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: sometimes so who was Morgan? I don't know that was

791
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: so you mentioned like the kids. The kid Gloves episode

792
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: was inspired by a real life story from Michael's life.

793
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: Did any of your personal life experiences make it into

794
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: an episode? Uh? Yeah, I mean let's see, yeah, grow

795
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: was rely I had one, but a boy the only

796
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: one was I remember once I got I got bit

797
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: by a dog, you know, and and I think I

798
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: was I just thought about that and it was bad,

799
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: and I was really nervous what was gonna happen? And

800
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: so I pitched the idea. But up in a Busgang

801
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: wrote the script where Corey gets bit and thinks he's

802
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: started a werewolf. So I didn't think I was starting

803
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: in a werewolf, but I did. I did think he

804
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: got bit by something he didn't know what it was,

805
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: and and hair started growing on his arms, and but

806
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: they ran with it. They were really really funny script

807
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: um you pitched and stuff, all the stuff times from

808
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: your life, you know, a bad sleepover, stuff like that

809
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: that you know, things go wrong and they they changed.

810
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: You know, you can pitch one idea that becomes something

811
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: entirely different, and that that's the good process of the right.

812
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: You know, the writer's room, someone will take something and

813
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: run with it, and you go, that's that's better than

814
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: I thought. Now. Would you ever? Was there ever a

815
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: story that you kept pitching over and over again that

816
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: you wanted to get done that just never happened, Where

817
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: it was like, I want to do this and it

818
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: just never happened. Uh, Now there was something you pitched

819
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: that you kind of knew this is stupid, but you

820
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: think it could be funny. You know, I don't remember.

821
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: I'd rather not even say, because they were so bad.

822
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: Some of them were so bad. You know, I think

823
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: the bus kept wanting to pitch. Corey wanted to pretend

824
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: to be Juice so we can have a bar mitzvah,

825
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: which was very funny, but it just never happened. I

826
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: think they picked that a couple of times. Um, there's

827
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: one I picked that I remember now I won't up to.

828
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of disgusting. I think I wanted to pitch

829
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: writers the first guy to try to get a job

830
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: on Mars. It wants to beat the rush, you know

831
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. They's just stupid things out there, but

832
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: nothing that I would ever push because, to be honest

833
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: with Michael says no, uh or it doesn't go. You know,

834
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to be that guy that Hey remember

835
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: that one I pitched? Oh yeah, the one I hated. Yeah,

836
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: you wanted to pitch that again, So probably not. So

837
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm wondered Jeff, if you remember, because we had this

838
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: debate when we watched b Team of Life, which okay,

839
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: so not really really Yeah, but I understand it was early.

840
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: It was one of the earliest strips and and I

841
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: guess you're probably right. Maybe it was too close to

842
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: the pilot, so we were right, But I mean it

843
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: was it was within the first run of like five episodes, right,

844
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: and then it just got pushed into the back. Yeah, okay,

845
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: I believe it was like the second and third one

846
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: that we wrote that we broke that we shot all right,

847
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: but you know why things get moved around. That's that

848
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: was way above my pay right, So I have no

849
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: idea why, but you're probably right as far as that goes.

850
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: They probably go too close to the pilot. Let's just

851
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: move it. It didn't matter, you know. Um, I can't

852
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: tell you. I was listening to Guys Analysis and I

853
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: have not seen those shows. I'm not kidding, uh, since

854
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, so those two episodes I haven't, you know,

855
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: but Kid Loves I watched it yesterday. I teared up

856
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: at the end. It was really sweet. It was just

857
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: it was just so nice to see everyone so young.

858
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: It's a nice show. It's a nice show. Were you

859
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: aware that, I mean, when you were when you guys

860
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: were in the writer's room, how much of like, because

861
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: the tone of boy Me's World is very unique, right, Like,

862
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: it's not a silly sitcom, it's not, it's not it

863
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: wasn't like other kids shows at the time. And were

864
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: you guys conscious of that? Were you talking about that?

865
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: Were you aware, like, oh, we're going to make sure

866
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: that this actually pulled some heart strings and says something

867
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: real and what was that conversation? Like I think, I

868
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: would say, as far as I can remember it against

869
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: a long time ago, I do it. But I do remember.

870
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: There was always heart, Mike always want to have a message.

871
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: There was always I always want to do a little more.

872
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, always wanted to be funny, because funny

873
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: is important already number one. It should be. But you know,

874
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: later on, maybe it wasn't for some of us. You know,

875
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: like John Strauss once called me and said, when he

876
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: was let off the show, goes, when did the show

877
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: become a drama? And I go, you know, but I

878
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: actually yeah, never. Never for me, never became a drama.

879
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: For me was always we'll get to you in a second.

880
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: I have a fun about you. I don't know. You

881
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: came in and you begged us to stop making you

882
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 1: so stupid, and I think we rewarded you by making

883
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: you become a couch cushion. Yes, I think that was

884
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: pretty much what happened. I did remember, yeah, well we

885
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: do something that's not like this, please, but but to

886
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: be honest, right, yeah, we you know, I don't think

887
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: we were trying to be one thing. Michael would always said,

888
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: we never wanted to talk down to the kids. Never

889
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: wanted to treat them like I mean, treat them like kids,

890
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: but not talked down to, never be condescending because most

891
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: of the storylines they will understand and get. And you know,

892
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: even though we were young when we started, I think

893
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: I'd like to think we always thought we were like

894
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: doing a little bit more, a little bit better. We

895
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: cared a lot and everything. I think every episode except

896
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: for maybe Last Tango in Philly, not my favorite episode

897
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: that I wrote, um had a message or had a

898
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: good message, you know, and always had heart, and we

899
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: was trying to take it one step above. I think

900
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: we did, at least in hindsight, we did well. The

901
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: thing that amazes me, or that's actually all of us,

902
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: is that none of us realized how involved the parents

903
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: were because we're in we weren't were in school when

904
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: they're rehearsing, so you kind of and then their adults

905
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: were not kind of with them. But as we're watching

906
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: the show, there's a lot of Amy and Allen and

907
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: Pheenie and they're they're so good. But again, to to

908
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: go to writer's point that it's not a kids show

909
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: at all, it's this hybrid show where it's all about

910
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: the kids. And then there's two scenes that's just Betsy

911
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: and Rusty. Um, so there was it was a very

912
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: interesting combination of the two. Uh and something that I

913
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: don't think it's really been seen before or since. It

914
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: was either about the kids or about the adults. Um.

915
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: So interesting point. That's a good cood point. I can't

916
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: speak to like whether that was a conscious thing. Certainly

917
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: not on my part, it wasn't. But but you're right.

918
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: I was watching those two episodes last night ago. They're great.

919
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: First of all, Yeah, they're just so good. I had

920
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: no idea how beautiful Betsy was until I watched her

921
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: last yesterday. I go, I used to hang on the

922
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: set with that woman. Yes, I mean, obviously she's beautiful,

923
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: but she was just so natural. She really still that pretty?

924
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: Still that pretty too. Yeah, and Rusty's russy is the

925
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm sort of I'm in touch. But yeah, Rusty still

926
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: that pretty, still, that that full head of hair. That's crazy.

927
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: But do you remember playing Santa in the Family Trees episode?

928
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: Do I remember? I just got a dollar fifty check

929
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: for that. I thought about I fought against it because

930
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, they yeah, they want stressed me up as

931
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: a carrot and and because they wanted to this one

932
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: putting a fat man in the carrot suit and uh.

933
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: And then Michaels, you're gonna be standing and I go,

934
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: I know why you want me to because you know

935
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm the heaviest guy on staff. And I don't want to.

936
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to be on camera because you know,

937
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: again I sweat a lot and this and that and

938
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: putting the Santa suit on. But I gotta tell you,

939
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, it was a great moment between me and

940
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: writer and uh. Fred Savage directed and he said I

941
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: nailed it in one, but we did two takes. Yeah, safe,

942
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: that's what he said. So of course I remember. It's

943
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: kind of a it's a cool thing that I had,

944
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: you know that have one line on television and you also, Jeff,

945
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: was it Jeff baggy bag Will Yes, that's just a picture,

946
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: but it's the photo. It's it's with the baseball player

947
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: who had been hit by the most pitches. Is that right?

948
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: In the history of baseball? That was you who you

949
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: were investing in. That was your big investment. He the

950
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: guy who got hit by more pitches, and then he

951
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: retired right before he would break the record lot a

952
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, thousand dollars, Jeff bag I just remember a

953
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: big swollen faced picture of you. Yeah, I played stuff

954
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: in my cheeks, that black stuff under now what I

955
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: kind of enjoyed. I think I have that picture somewhere.

956
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: You know. What's going back just a little bit to

957
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: the idea of it being very important to Michael to

958
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: never talk down to the audience. There is such a

959
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: weird like formula, but it wasn't a formula because we

960
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: can't figure out exactly what the magic potion was that

961
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: made it work. But there are a lot of terms

962
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: people use these days that they used in like a

963
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: kind of a drag tory way, like you're you're so woke,

964
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: or virtue signaling. And yet Boy Meets World always had

965
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: a good message and a lot of ways people today

966
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: might say it was a woke show or that it

967
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: was a show that virtue signaled, because it did really

968
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: kind of put forth good messages of how to be

969
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: a good family member, how to be a good friend,

970
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: how to be a good member of society. And yet

971
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: people love it. They don't think about it in any

972
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: sort of derogatory way. They recognize that they're getting such

973
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: an incredible lesson and they don't feel like they're being

974
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: beaten over the head with it. Like what what is

975
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: it that made it work? It was such a it's

976
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: it's magic. I mean, if you think about the fact

977
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: that still thirty years later, the show still holds up

978
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: and we are able to sit here and break down

979
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: episodes and people want to hear us talk about it.

980
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: There are very few shows that could still do that

981
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: thirty years later. What do you think that like secret

982
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: was That's a that's a good point. I mean maybe

983
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: just because there always was a world office, you know,

984
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: um within Michael m with the writers. I mean we

985
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: we you know, you know, you could pitch something that

986
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: could be really funny, that could be inappropriate obviously in

987
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: the writer's room obviously, you know, there's so much inappropriateness

988
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: back in the day that could not survive today. But

989
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: a lot of that wouldn't get into the script because

990
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: just because I always wanted to be true to the characters.

991
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: Michael is very keen on protecting the characters, and and

992
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: and I just think we always did what you guys

993
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: would do. In other words, like you know, we're not

994
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: gonna do something I wouldn't say we were woke or

995
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: or we thought about that kind of thing, and it

996
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: was a progressive show. Well, you're right. And and by

997
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: the way, I think you guys would talked about maybe

998
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, maybe writer will said in that uh the

999
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: Beat Team story when writer comes in with that article

1000
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: the show cory about you know, other guys that I

1001
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: used to send on the bench, what a good friend.

1002
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: And just I think because the heart of the show

1003
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: is relationships with all all these people, that it just

1004
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: sort of naturally lent to what you're talking about. I mean, yeah,

1005
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: this is all in hindsight we look back now, I

1006
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: don't and I don't know that we were the only

1007
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: show like that. I honestly I don't know, but I

1008
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: think we sort of maybe just got lucky because we

1009
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: did what we wanted to do and wanted to have

1010
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 1: a good message in each episode and that lends itself

1011
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: to not doing that stuff that you would cringe now

1012
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: going or said that. But that's just I guess. Well,

1013
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: kudos to all of you guys in the room for

1014
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like you said, there in all

1015
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: writers rooms there, you know, in order to keep creativity flowing,

1016
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: sometimes you're you're pitching things that are like, Okay, here's

1017
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: a bad joke, but it'll hopefully get us to a

1018
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: better joke. And here's something that's totally inappropriate that we're

1019
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: not going to use, but hopefully it like sparks something

1020
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: that you know, and like you said, there there are

1021
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: definitely things that I'm sure, I'm sure we're said that

1022
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: would not be said now and um, but ultimately, I

1023
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: think you know, it's been one of my favorite things.

1024
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: Uh watching the show. People had told us over the years, Wow,

1025
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: like it still holds up and I still there's still

1026
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: such great lessons in it, but we hadn't watched it,

1027
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: and so now watching it ourselves, I think we've all

1028
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: been really pleasantly surprised through this first season of just

1029
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: how much we actually enjoy it. Yeah, well, and it

1030
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: shows you guys, you guys, I mean, you guys definitely

1031
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: had fun and and your camaraderie and chemistry came across

1032
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: right from the beginning. You know, I didn't remember, Daniel,

1033
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: that you were in not a lot of episodes at

1034
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: the very beginning me. So it's kind of it's kind

1035
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: of weird when you don't see it. But then you know,

1036
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: but then you you you really grew as a character,

1037
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: obviously because once we realize you know, you were going

1038
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: to be part of the show, it became a big thing.

1039
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, you guys are a big part of that.

1040
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: You know, you brought the right character to the character.

1041
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: You know so well to that end. Do you have

1042
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: any insight to who actually named to Panga? Um? I? Well,

1043
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so part of my problem is, you know,

1044
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of the stories. Who's telling the

1045
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: right When I can tell you this, no, I'd rather

1046
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: not get involved because it's no, No, I'm not Michael. Michael.

1047
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: You know he did drive by to Panga. Canon. There's

1048
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: a lot of times where you say I'm twenty minutes

1049
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: away I met to Panga. So there's probably, uh, there's

1050
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: a chance of that. But but I and I know

1051
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: Sherman put it in his script the first time. I

1052
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: don't think Bill Lawrence did it right. No, I heard

1053
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: he said he did it. Um you know he wrote

1054
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: a freelance episode first. But honestly, I can't say I

1055
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: remember the seminal moment. But you know, I'm gonna believe

1056
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: Michael on this just because he did say I'm at

1057
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: to Panga so many times that um, I'm not disbelieving. Sorry,

1058
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: I think I know. Sherman put it in his It

1059
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: was in his script, the first script. You know, I'm

1060
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: a witness of a lot of stuff, but these days

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00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm not a great winners because I don't remember any

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00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: of us, like uh, Lauria would say that was thirty

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00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: years ago. You know what does he remember? And I

1064
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: remember I remember a lot of things, but not everything.

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00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: But okay, so somewhere between Michael and Sherman, Okay, I'll

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00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: take that answer. Now. Giving you a lot, We've given

1067
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: you a lot of praise that's well deserved. Now I

1068
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: have a question, be Team of Life, how does the

1069
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: math work out that the Matthews family? I heard you guys,

1070
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: are ye did we did? We cut the time machine? See?

1071
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 1: What is that the thing that happened? Is there something

1072
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: we missed? No? But I will say this, I used

1073
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: to live outside Philly and chill him is not that

1074
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: far from Okay, Philly, so, which unfortunately hurts what I'm about,

1075
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: makes it even worse. It does make it worse, I think.

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00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: But one of you made a good argument. I think, uh,

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00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: I think it was Will a writer. But just like

1078
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, you go early, the bus leaves early, they

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00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: get there early. I don't know what time in the family,

1080
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: by time he got home. They may have just left

1081
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: to go right, so I can just find the family.

1082
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: They're not necessarily gone for hours. The team was gone

1083
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: for hours. I'd say, let's stop analyzing stuff. A lot

1084
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: of plot holes and a lot of shows. Can you

1085
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: just you find not scratch cocking the chicken? Yeah? How

1086
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: did justify that? Minnel? I didn't think that term would

1087
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: ever come up again. I've never heard it, so you

1088
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: said it from Well, I like cooking, I do like

1089
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: I do hate that Corey just threw that chicken to

1090
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: the dirt. Was really wasteful, And I thought Bill was

1091
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: much less angry me than I would have been. He

1092
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: was very understanding. Well, you know, he wasn't cooking it right,

1093
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: so he didn't really care all that much about it.

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00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: That was the thing vital controversial question. Is it a

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00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: backyard or is it a sideyard? Um, it's a I've

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00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: never thought about that until I heard you guys talk

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00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: about it. Well, it's a side backyard. Everyone knows that

1098
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: there's not many of them. It's the only one ever

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00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: on television. But it is. Listen, my front door doesn't

1100
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: face the street. It faces my neighbor's house. So there

1101
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: are certain Yeah, not but I don't like that. UM

1102
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: so many politician answers, when are you running for Congress?

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00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm not even trying to be. I'm not

1104
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: trying to be, uh, you know, impartial. I just I

1105
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: don't have a great answer for you. I didn't. I

1106
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: never worry about that stuff because I was just so

1107
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: happy to be on set with all of you. And

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00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: what's this awesome boy meets world? Aren't you have back there?

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00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: That's the poster I have. I have the same one. No,

1110
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: not that this thing ye greatest films and television shows

1111
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: in Americana history, total spectrum, one end of the other. Yeah,

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00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: I've had that. You know. Michael gave it him many

1113
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: years ago. He was moving. He goes, I want He

1114
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: didn't say that. I said, can I have that? Because

1115
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: he had others? Yeah, I take it, and uh it

1116
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: was My wife hangs it when she's teaching. I put

1117
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: raging bull back on when she's not. Because I love

1118
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: you guys. Rangeable is my favorite movie of all time

1119
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: and of course, Worlds my favorite show at all time.

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Speaker 1: Well and politically I should run from all you. Really,

1121
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: it's really good to see you. Thank you so much

1122
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: for being here with us and answering our hard hitting questions.

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00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: And I know, I mean, listen Michael tell the to

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00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: Peg story, but I know Sherman put it in his script,

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00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: and so I know both those are facts. You just

1126
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: thought what that all means? Okay, fair enough, but we

1127
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: decide from the side yard of the backyard, you can

1128
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: decide why your Yeah, I see both those people, so

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00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm I believe everyone. And the janitor is still a ghost.

1130
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: I looked up. I looked him up. After this guy

1131
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: interviewed man, I found him and because he thought he

1132
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: was in another movie, he said, is that the guy

1133
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: from Sahasa? And it wasn't. I think writer's right. I

1134
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: think he was a background actor. Yeah, he was person.

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00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: We should ask his d D because she might remember

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00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: d D or Michael Shay because the background maybe they

1137
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: would remember that guy's name something right. Maybe I don't know.

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00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: I think d or Michael Michael shan background. So we

1139
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: we we appreciate, we understand that we're putting you on

1140
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: the spot. With certain things. But the one thing we

1141
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: can all agree on is how thankful we are that

1142
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: you came up with the idea for this podcast. Yeah,

1143
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: thank you for that anonymous on that I know, but

1144
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: it was a great idea. Thanks for inviding me on

1145
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: I was. But I love you, Jeff, Thank you for you.

1146
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: He really should be a politician. Still still no no

1147
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: real inside and panga backyard. No, it won't say sideyard backyard.

1148
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: Also won't take credit for any of the lines that

1149
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: we absolutely love. I know, and he says he's like,

1150
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm not humble. It's like, well, yeah, but man, that's fun.

1151
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: He's such a He's exactly the same now very briefly,

1152
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: was he the only writer that did all seven years

1153
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: a boy? And I think right? And what's interesting too

1154
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: to think about is like you know, and and I

1155
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: will have to when we get to second and third season.

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00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: Michael stepped away from the show for Yeah, David Kendall

1157
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: came in as our showrunner. He started other shows, Yeah,

1158
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: he started Misery Loves Company and um, you wish this time?

1159
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: And you wish were Jeff Sherman rand you wish actually Michael,

1160
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: But Michael was epene but Michael actually left our show

1161
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: for period, Like I remember, we would have note sessions

1162
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: without Michael, but Minnell was always there, so you know

1163
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: where he was. He's actually probably the most consistent writer

1164
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: producer for our show from start to finish and Girl

1165
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: Meat's World. He was there for every episode of Girl

1166
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: Meets World. So Jeff YEA. Minnell has been around for

1167
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: all of it. Yeah. Well, I mean, truthfully, the good

1168
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 1: news is it kind of makes him a perfect guest

1169
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: to have on as the season's progress, because he'll be

1170
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, he could be good at that. I know

1171
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: he gets nervous and doesn't like to be interviewed and

1172
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: all that stuff, but the fact that he's like one

1173
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: of the O G s and stuck around for all

1174
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: those years, he can come back. Well, Danielle, you weren't

1175
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: in every episode. I wasn't in every episode writer? Or

1176
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: were you in every episode of the show? Yes? You

1177
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: didn't skip a single one? No, And I was the

1178
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: only actor who had up until the last season, I

1179
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: had never missed a tape night. Um. And then remember

1180
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: that one week I got sick. I got mono and

1181
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: the flu on top of each other, and so I missed.

1182
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: I missed that tape night that was in the seventh season. Otherwise,

1183
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: up until then, I had been for every tape because

1184
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: we used to do tape nights without Ben because he

1185
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: would have finals every year. So so there were episodes. Yeah,

1186
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: everybody else had, you know, but that was like I

1187
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: had never missed a tape night until that. So you

1188
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: and Minnell might be the only two people involved in

1189
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: every single episode of Boy. Why are you not? You're

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00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: not in an episode? Will Well? I did. There was

1191
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: a couple episodes I wasn't in. There was because of

1192
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: Michael would come up to me and he'd put his

1193
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: he'd put his arm on my shoulder and he go, hey,

1194
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: he got we tried to work it out, didn't work out,

1195
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: you got a paid vacation next week, and I go, okay.

1196
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: And that's been several times. I think there's four or

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01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: five that I'm not in. I mean, I know, like

1198
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: the one where you're all you're sitting on the on

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01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: the sign like trying to win tickets to something bowl.

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01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm in that one. I think maybe

1201
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: there's a whistling one or two I'm not in. So yeah,

1202
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: I didn't do every episode all right, Well then I

1203
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: bet you. I mean, as far as being in every episode,

1204
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: it's probably be in Ben because it's definitely in every episode,

1205
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: but he wasn't there for every tape pipe. Yeah that's interesting. Yeah,

1206
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: so me Ben and Minnell, we'll figure it out, all right. Well,

1207
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: thank you guys for joining us for this episode of

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Speaker 1: Pod Meats World. You can follow us on Instagram pod

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Speaker 1: join us for our next episode later in the week

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, thank you guys for being here with us.

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Speaker 1: Hope you're well. I'll do our sign off this time.

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Speaker 1: We love you all. Pod has missed. Pod Meets World

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