1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today I'm joined by my pal Spencer 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: new Hearth and Tony Peterson to break down there one 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: Week in November hunts getting the best of the best 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: of the decisions made, the mistakes along the way, and 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: what led to their success. All right, welcome to the 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light. 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: And today in the show, we are talking about rut 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: hunting success. Last week you got to hear about rut 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: hunting failure. Today you get to hear about the successful 13 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: side of things. You get to hear about the smiles 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: and the cheers, and the high fives and the hugs 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: and and all the good stuff that you hope to 16 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: get at this time of year. And uh with me, 17 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: I've got the rest of the cast from our new 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: show coming out on the Meat Eater YouTube channel this 19 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: week called One Week in November. So in addition to me, 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: that is Clay Newcomb, Tony Peterson, and Spencer new Hearth. 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: Clay is is standing us up at the moment for 22 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: reasons undisclosed, So it's it's just Spencer, Tony and me, 23 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: but maybe Clay will join us later. We're gonna cross 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: our fingers. Uh, real quick, uh, Tony and or Spencer. 25 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: How do we feel about Clay standing us up right now? 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: He's such a diva man. Do you think it's because 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: they're out enough? Yeah? Yeah, he better have a good reason. 28 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: He better like have his Vortex minos right now on 29 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: some big giant Nebraska buck. I hope that's the case. 30 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Although he already killed one, so I think he's taged out. 31 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: Someone else in camp has not killable one, so I 32 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: hope he's helping that person. Look, there you go, there 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: you go. That's that's a good point. Uh. So, guys, 34 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: here's what I want to do, and you tell me 35 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: what you think about it. Um. I want to walk 36 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: through basically. You know, anyone's listening now, maybe heard last 37 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: week's episode in which I walked through my week in Iowa. 38 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: But while I was out there having a struggle fest 39 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: in Iowa, you guys in Clay were killing it across Minnesota, Wisconsin, Montana, Wyoming, 40 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: and Oklahoma. So I want to walk through, day by 41 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: day what you guys did what you were thinking about, 42 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: the different kind of strategies that worked for you during 43 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: the rut um. Anything like that I think would be helpful. 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: And then we can kind of bounce around between each 45 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: other and you know, see what kind of curiosities we 46 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: have and dive into whatever wormholes present themselves. Um, but 47 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: that's my high level you guys though, are you know? 48 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: You guys host podcasts here and wired Hunt too, So 49 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: if you have a better idea part way through, at 50 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: any point, you're welcome to jump in and say this 51 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: is stupid, let's do something else, and I'll entertain it. So, Spencer, 52 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: do you want to kick us off with your game 53 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: plan leading into this week? We haven't gotten to a 54 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: lot of detail. You've kind of alluded to things throughout, 55 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: and you talked a little bit about this letter deal. 56 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: But do you want to set us up how your 57 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: week was planned out, how you were feeling about things 58 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: heading into it, what your game plan was. Yeah, my 59 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: my plan was to try to fill a Montana General 60 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: deer tag and a special draw white tail tag in Wyoming. 61 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: And this this wasn't necessarily related to the series. I 62 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: would have done this either way. But in the summer 63 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: I sent out a hundred and twelve letters seeking deer 64 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: hunting permission in Montana. UM. And I'll reveal those results 65 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: more and talk about sort of what my strategy was 66 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: and what worked and what didn't work and things like 67 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: that in an article at some point, UM. But to 68 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: give you a quick synopsis of it, I got like 69 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: six yes is UM. I would identify like four of 70 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: those as B minus properties that were either small or 71 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: they had a lot of other shared permission UM, or 72 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: they were like in the opposite corner of the state 73 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: from me, so so not really ideal. So like four 74 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: B minus properties and then one that I would say 75 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: it was like a B plus but the landowner actually 76 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: ended up selling it between the time me getting permission 77 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: and the fall actually getting here and then the six 78 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: property being a total A plus. It was over a 79 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: thousand acres UM great habitat hadn't been hunted in a 80 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: long time UM, and it was going to have a 81 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: mix of white tails and mule deer, so that that 82 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: I was thrilled about. And I had scouted a leading 83 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: up to what was our opening day, which was November one, 84 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: for the show UM, and there was a buck like 85 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: a mature buck that I had identified on the property 86 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: that was being pretty consistent, um who in in twice scouting. 87 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: I had within two yards and could have killed with 88 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: my rifle, but but chosen not to you for the 89 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: sake of the show. And and that was my strategy 90 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: for Montana. For Wyoming, it was sort of similar. I 91 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: hunted there last year, UM and I end up getting 92 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: a lot of door knocking permission. So as soon as 93 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: I filled in Montana, I was going to drop down 94 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: to Wyoming. In Montana on day one, it was pretty 95 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: slow for me. I set up um with haunts that 96 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,559 Speaker 1: I thought were going to help me kill that buck, 97 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: but I never saw him in the morning or the evening. 98 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: I didn't see him at all the first two days, 99 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: And so the first day had a lot of action 100 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: for me in both the morning hunt and the evening hunt, 101 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: but no mature bucks and not the buck that I 102 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: was looking for. Can you can you elaborate a little 103 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: bit on like what that setup looked like and why 104 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: you were there on that first morning. You know it's 105 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: river bottom stuff, right, yeah, yeah, it's it's a lot 106 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: of hardwood trees and river bottom and CRP and slewy 107 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: area yeah, and and the reason that I was there, 108 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: and this is something that, UM, when the show comes out, 109 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: my setups are gonna look very different than your guys. 110 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: And I think one of the the biggest spots where 111 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: where mine is different. Besides I'm on the ground and 112 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: you guys are in a tree. Is that any wise 113 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: bow hunter like you two know that you don't set 114 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: up to see deer necessarily, you set up to kill 115 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: a deer. And so I'm guessing, um, having not seen 116 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: like the places you were in that a lot of 117 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: times you guys were hunting areas that maybe had visibility 118 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: of like thirty yards, maybe fifty yards in a good spot, 119 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: but probably some spots that only had like twenty yard 120 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: visibility areas. I was set up so I could see 121 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of yards um at a time, and 122 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: I I did want to see deer so then I 123 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: can then close the distance and make something happen. So 124 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: the reason that I would set up on day one 125 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: and day two where I did was to just get 126 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: like maximum visibility of an area, and if there was 127 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: a buck that I would identify that I wanted to 128 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: go after, I would try to close the distance from 129 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: there so that's I think couldna be one of the 130 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: biggest like differences between my setup and the three setups 131 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: that you guys have throughout the whole week. Yeah. You know, 132 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: another thing that stood up to me when I was 133 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: kind of hearing about what you're doing was how you 134 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: kind of looked at your morning hunts is almost throwaways, 135 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: like you didn't have much confidence at all. You kind 136 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: of fell out, gonna be out there for an hour 137 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: and then I'll be done, and you were really resting 138 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: your hopes on evenings. Why why was that, I mean 139 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: so much of so many other places when we talked 140 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: about the rut, we always think the mornings are the best. 141 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: Why was your situation unique? Part part of that reason 142 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: is the property, UM didn't set up great to uh, 143 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: like catch a lot of morning movement. You would you'd 144 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: get a lot of movements sort of on the fringe 145 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: of the property where they would spend a lot of 146 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: like the their shooting light on the neighbor's ground or 147 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: something like that. And then to have a good morning movement, 148 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: you would ideally want to be in the tim or 149 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: somewhere UM, which with a rifle isn't always ideal. UM, 150 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: And and there wasn't a lot on like either any 151 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: of the places that haunted in Montana or Wyoming that 152 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: would really funnel movement, which is like something that you're 153 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: sort of hoping for in the morning to to catch 154 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: a cruising bucket like ten am, You're not gonna be 155 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: on a field edge. Really, you're gonna be on some 156 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,559 Speaker 1: ridgeline or something like that. And these properties just didn't 157 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff that would funnel movement that 158 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: would make me confident that I'm gonna catch some buck 159 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: going back to his bed. Okay, so morning one was slow. 160 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you saw a bunch of deer, but not 161 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: a shooter. What about the evening? Did you go back 162 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: to the same spot the evening I went back to 163 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: a very similar spot, and uh, same thing again. I 164 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: probably saw every single deer that I had seen that 165 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: same morning and every single buck that I had seen 166 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: in like my three or four days of scouting, except 167 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: for the buck um, which sort of brought with it 168 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of that rutt anxiety, where like, did 169 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: did some hot dough show up? Did this thing wander 170 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: into the next county already? Like is is it already 171 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: too late? Um? So so day one. I had seen 172 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: many of the same year that I was familiar with 173 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: for my short time scouting, except for that dear. Okay, 174 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: so day one, you're feeling kind of a little apprehension 175 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: they might have disappeared, but you weren't down in the dumps, right, No, 176 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: not not down in the dumps. Mostly I was considered 177 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: about I was concerned about my lack of like quality 178 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: morning haunts that we're gonna be with me. I thought 179 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: throughout the whole week, like, uh, if if my evening 180 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: setups were like a nine out of ten, my mornings 181 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: were like a six out of ten, And so I 182 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: was mostly concerned about not ruining things in the morning 183 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: for my evening haunts. So just like a tiny bit 184 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: of pessimism. Um, but I wasn't. I wasn't concerned quite yet. 185 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: After day one. Yeah, now, what about this whole lodging situation. Uh, 186 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: this needs to be brought up because you were him 187 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: this ship about staying in a hotel and Tony was 188 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: an Airbnb and Clay was like a resort or something. Um, 189 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: and You're like, I'm staying in a tent, but you 190 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: were in a tent in the yard of an Airbnb 191 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: that you got to use. So what what was this? 192 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: So the airbnb was some rancher who had a sodhouse 193 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: that he refinished. Um, and it only had one room, 194 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: which the cameraman stayed in. So then I I pitched 195 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: my tent in the yard. Now here's what what won't 196 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: show up on the show. Um, we were sort of 197 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: the first guests to stay there when it was ever 198 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: cold out. And so what we learned and what we 199 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: were the first to learn, was at the place was 200 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: just littered with mice like that very first night when 201 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: it got chili. Uh. The caraman said that he thought 202 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: like he was in the movie Ratitui like it was. 203 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: It was just wild. H He said he could hear 204 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: mice in the ceiling, he could hear him on the floor. Um, 205 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: he could see him through the cracks in the wall 206 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: where like moonlight was coming through and they were scurry 207 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: by real fast. Um. So even even the cameraman staying 208 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: in some ranchers airbnb, soadthouse was not living in luxury. 209 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: So I stayed to my tent. I was probably more 210 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: comfortable than him even So So with that said, then 211 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: let's let's pivot to Tony's day one. Uh, Tony, this 212 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: will be a quick story and let's we really get 213 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: a lot of backstory. So, um, give me, give me 214 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: the lead up to the Minnesota hunt and why you 215 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: were going to start in Minnesota and and how you 216 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: were feeling about stuff leading into that first down. Oh man, 217 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: so minute. I've talked on this podcast a lot about 218 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: Minnesota's early, early gun season, and so I knew when 219 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: when we were talking about filming for a week, like 220 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: if I'm gonna kill in Minnesota for this project, it's 221 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: going to be like, uh, maybe two days of my 222 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: time and then I'm gonna go down to Wisconsin because 223 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: I wasn't to push it any later because of the 224 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: gun season opening up in Minnesota, and so I ended up. 225 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: I've got a permission on a farm in southeastern Minnesota. 226 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: I've hunted since I was like fifteen years old. And 227 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: then a buddy of mine, a really good buddy of mine. Uh, 228 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: he's got permission on the land next to it, and 229 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: so I've got him permission to hunt my side of things, 230 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: and he this year gave me permission to hunt his side, 231 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: or got me permission to hunt it. So like, let's 232 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: just team up and hang some stands in the summer 233 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: that we think are going to be like banging rut spots, 234 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: and that's what we did. I I drove down there 235 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: and I think it was maybe the end of July, 236 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: and we picked a few areas where you know, from 237 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: past observation and some winter scouting, and you know, we 238 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: we knew that we'd probably be on top of bucks. 239 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: But I really I had two stands, one on his place, 240 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: one of my place that I was like, okay, these 241 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: are kind of it, and the one on my place 242 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: was it had me real excited for how it's set up, 243 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: But the problem was none of the corn was picked 244 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: on either property and the wind was dead wrong for 245 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: that stand, and so I ended up having to go 246 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: to a backup spot, which was the other spot that 247 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: we set up together. And it was a good I 248 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: knew it would be good. I didn't think it'd be 249 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: as I didn't think it treat me as well as 250 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: it did. But I was kind of bummed the first 251 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: morning because I was I was desperate to make that 252 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: other spot work, but I just knew, you know, bringing 253 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: a cameraman along and having to hang a stand and 254 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: having two people in a tree and a wind that's 255 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: just there's no way around it. It was not going 256 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: to work very well that you know, we're going to 257 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: the backup spot. And I was thinking, you know, walking 258 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: in there, we jumped some deer in the cornfield in 259 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: the dark, and everybody's everybody's listening has probably had that 260 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: experience at one point or another. And then to get 261 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: on that stand set up super early, we kind of 262 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: pulled a Mark Kenyon got out there way early. You know, 263 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: by the time the sun was rising, I was watching 264 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: coyotes chase a buck away from us, and it was cold. 265 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going, I don't know how long we're 266 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: gonna make this, Like I'm cold, and my cameraman was shivering, 267 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: and it just ended up that we were in a 268 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: we were on a woodline, uh kind of a little 269 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: drainage through through this corn field that sort of forms 270 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: like a almost a turkey foot pattern. There's there was 271 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: just these little veins of cover through this unpicked corn 272 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: field and it just feeds bucks from one spot to 273 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: the next. And so even though I knew it was 274 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: like you know, Spencer mentioned, you know these tight spots 275 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: that we sit in when we bow hunt, this was 276 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: as tight as it comes. Like, I knew they were 277 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: going to show up fast and it was not going 278 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: to be great TV, but it could be a spot 279 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: to kill a good buck. And honestly, going into that 280 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: part of my hunt, I was like, if in comes by, 281 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: he's toast, Like I'm not. I'm not gonna be picky 282 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: with two days to work with. And just so happens 283 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: that the first buck that came in was out of 284 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: his mind and he was a big one. So before 285 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: you tell us what happened with the big one, I 286 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: gotta know what the spot is that you really felt 287 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: good about. Because this spot worked out pretty good. What 288 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: was the setup that you were dying to be in 289 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: instead of this one? Um? You know, it was only 290 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards away from where I killed this buck, 291 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: but it was It's got a creek bottom in it, 292 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: so there's there's deer that feed in from the main 293 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: part of the farm that I've been hunting forever. And 294 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: then it's not very far away from this a d 295 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: acres that's kind of a sanctuary. These guys own it 296 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: and they they don't really hunt it much. They hunt 297 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: it during gun season and they're they're big buck guys, 298 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: and so the deer on the neighboring properties they tend 299 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: to get pushed into that property. And this stand where 300 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: that I hung is is not that far away, and 301 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: the deer that naturally come and go from that property 302 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: they go through this area and so it's just hard 303 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: to access spot that you're kind of playing off the 304 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: pressure from the neighboring properties for you know, at that 305 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: point in the season, like six weeks of of bow pressure, 306 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: and then because of the the gun season opening up 307 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: on you know it was the six or seventh this year, 308 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: you tend to get this sort of influx of guys 309 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: who are going in to check their stands and you know, 310 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: checking their trails in and out. So you just have 311 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: this added pressure of people coming in and so that 312 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: a d becomes just kind of this hub of activity 313 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: because nobody's going in there to hunt, and so those 314 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: deer come in and they go out, and you know, 315 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: it played off a water, It played off a lot 316 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: of that stuff, and so I was really excited. I 317 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: sat there one day during the rut last year and 318 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: I saw I can't remember fourteen or seventeen deer or something, 319 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: and it was on and I wanted to get there 320 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: in the worst way. It just you know, I couldn't 321 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: justify it with that wind direction. Yeah. So back to 322 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: the spot that you did sit, it's this turkey foot 323 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: of timber in the middle of a standing cornfield. Uh. 324 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: Other than it being just like that perfect tight kind 325 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: of pinch, was there any other reason why it ended 326 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: up working? Was there anything else to it that made 327 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: it made it worthwhile for that buck to come cruising through? 328 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: And how how tight was it? Tony? You said that 329 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: this was like as tight as agains. How tight was 330 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: it tight? I mean you asked the post production team 331 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: happy they were with the footage, because I got asked 332 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: about three times like okay, is this it? Like, is 333 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: there there's no more footage? I'm like, no, No, what 334 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: you see in this show? When this drops, it's like ah. 335 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: The encounter with that buck was maybe five or six 336 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: seconds to Matt Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt. This dude, Yeah, 337 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: And this dude came in hot and he had he 338 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: had some cornstocks and his antlers and he I think 339 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: he had lost a dough. I think he'd been running 340 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: hard and I think she gave him the slip and 341 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: he was out of his mind, because we you know 342 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: where he came in and where I shot him. A dear, 343 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: that age in that area should be looking up going 344 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: no way boys, and he should have been gone. But 345 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: he couldn't get him to pick his head up. I 346 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: couldn't get him to stop. And he was fifteen yards away. 347 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: And so it was just one of those dreamy situations 348 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: where you've got a buck that's just he's got one 349 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: thing on his mind and he's not clued into anything else. 350 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: And so that spot, it just it was that kind 351 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: of thing like you weren't going to see him coming, 352 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: you know, but they were going to cruise those wooded 353 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: at those little woodlines. I think he was, you know, 354 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: he was on the upwind side of a of kind 355 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: of a nasty little thicket, so I think he was 356 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: looking for does in there too. But I really think 357 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: that that buck had just been covering ground, had been 358 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: chasing lost the dough, and he's like, maybe she came 359 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: down here, because he looked like a deer that was frantic. 360 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of like if you have like 361 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: a high drive bird dog and they can't find you know, 362 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: you toss a bumper into the into the you know, 363 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: waste high grass and they can't find it, but they're 364 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: they're super excited like that kind of just like jittery 365 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: body language, like where is it? Where is it? Where 366 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: is it? Like he he was kind of projecting that 367 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: it was wild man. That's awesome. So for people who 368 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: haven't seen the pictures yet or haven't watched the episode, 369 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: which by the time this is out, you should be 370 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: able to watch it on the Mediator YouTube channel. But 371 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: for those ofn't seen it, can you give us a 372 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: visual picture of him? Uh, he's a bigger eight pointer 373 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: than I ever thought i'd kill in my life. H he. 374 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: I didn't know when he came running in. It was 375 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: kind of one of those deals where you just the 376 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: first glimpse you get, you're like, oh God, I gotta 377 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: get my bull in my hand now. And he came 378 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: in and I tried to murp him to stop him 379 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of times, and he just I think he 380 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: just stopped naturally. I shot him and he ran off, 381 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: and I knew that. I knew the shot was really good, 382 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: but it was one of those encounters where I didn't, 383 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have an adrenaline dump until after 384 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: as soon as he ran away, it was like it 385 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: was incredible. And you know, of course when you're filming, 386 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: you gotta film some stuff after the shot, and so 387 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to go see him so bad 388 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: because I knew he was good when I was thinking 389 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: like one forty when he ran off, and then walking 390 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: up to him. You know, I killed a buck in Minnesota, 391 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: I think two years ago, and a clean eight pointer 392 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: that went one forty three. I didn't think I'd ever 393 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: topped that. And this buck I started looking at him, 394 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, he seems like he's a lot bigger 395 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: than that last buck. And you know, we got home 396 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: and a sidebar to this is my buddy Eric, who 397 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: was hunting with He had killed buck there the night before. 398 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: There was an eight pointer that went one nineteen. It 399 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: was a beautiful deer, and we we had both of 400 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: those bucks in the back of his truck. And his 401 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 1: look like a baby deer compared to this one. I mean, 402 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: it was just incredible. The body size and the mass. 403 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: It was just it was it was I was so lucky. 404 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: I got so freaking lucky with that buck. After you 405 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: killed that buck, you sent a text saying that you 406 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: just killed a toad. Um. And had it been like 407 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: me or Clay or Mark that said they killed the toad, 408 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay, awesome, like at five by five. 409 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: But when when you sat a toad, for some reason, 410 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: I put greater stock into that. I was like, oh man, 411 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: this this must like genuinely be a giant buck. And 412 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: I was not disappointed when the photos came through. Yeah, 413 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: he's he's a good one. I'm not sure to take 414 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: that comment. Spencer. By the way, Hey, I'm I'm putting 415 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: me in Clay in the same boat there. I'd be like, awesome, 416 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: they kill like a five by five. But it it 417 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: when when Tony said it, it felt like it carried 418 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: a little more weight. I was like, all right, this 419 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: this is a toad that he killed. And especially because 420 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: Tony was talking about originally shooting like a little hundred 421 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: in shape point or something, you know, that's right. I 422 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: had a range on that part of the hunt for sure. Man, 423 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: oh man, he pulled it. Officer, well done, well done, 424 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: thank you. Um. So then for you, from there, Tony, 425 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: you were just recovering the buck, processing the buck, putting 426 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: things away, getting all set up, and then you're going 427 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: to move to this other Wisconsin place for day two. Right, Yeah, 428 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: so we you know, I killed him pretty early, but 429 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: getting him out was a little bit of a process. 430 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: And then because my buddy had killed, we had too 431 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: deer to butcher, and so we started. I can't remember 432 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 1: when we started on those dear it was like one 433 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: o'clock and we didn't wrap up to like eight o'clock 434 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: at night. I mean, it was, you know, just he 435 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: and I too on those two big bucks. It took 436 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: a long long time, but that was you know, I 437 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: had to do that, you know, CWD regulations and all 438 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: that stuff, and so, you know, it was a process. 439 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: But then it was like, okay, well now we get 440 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: a good night's sleep and tomorrow we're heading to southwestern Wisconsin. 441 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: It was it was a great The way it worked 442 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: out was amazing. I couldn't be happier with it, so 443 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: real quick before we move on to the next day entirely, 444 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: I gotta ask you guys what you thought about what 445 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: I did on day one. I passed like a hundred 446 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: and twenty something inch nine pointer that looked like a 447 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: three and a half year old, and then another buck 448 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: that probably was again I believe he was three and 449 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: a half, but he was tall and tighted. I mean 450 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: he was like one thirty something probably. Um when I 451 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: did that within the first hour and a half of 452 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: the first day, were you guys like on board, were 453 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: like okay, Mark, good call. Or were you sitting there 454 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: thinking I'm an idiot, Go ahead, Spencer. I told you 455 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: guys this before, like there's there's not a hundred and 456 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: thirty inch year around me. That's safe. But I've also 457 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: never hunted a place like Iowa to sort of be 458 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: put in, uh, that situation, to to know that like, oh, yeah, 459 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: the there's much better bucks behind these trees. So I 460 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't blame you one bit. You were in Iowa, 461 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: it was day one. I think you would have regretted 462 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: it the rest of the day, the rest of the week, 463 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: the rest of the fall. If you would have done it, 464 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: you would have been wondering, um, and ultimately, you know, 465 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: you get the opportunities later. So I think you, uh, 466 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: you made a fine decision. And and Tony happened to 467 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: kill one on day one, so I feel like, uh, 468 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: like when one kill, we all kill. And uh that 469 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: that's at least how I felt about it. So I was. 470 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: I was stoked. Like when when Tony killed that buck, 471 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: it felt like, for some stupid reason, I was part 472 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: of it, despite being thousands of miles away. It hadn't 473 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: having nothing to do with that, dear, um. So it 474 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: wasn't like we were in like a real dry spell 475 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: either where it was like, man, we need some action, 476 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: and we we like, uh, she gets something on the ground. 477 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: So I don't. I don't think you made the wrong 478 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: decision at all. Um, But if if I were in 479 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: that situation I had at twenty yards, I don't know 480 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: that it would have survived. Yeah, I thought you should 481 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: have let him up. Mark. Of course you did well 482 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. That's a great dear. First off, 483 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: Iowa know Iowa whatever. That's like, that's no slouts, right, 484 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: I get. I totally get why you passed him up. 485 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: It was early. But when I when I look at 486 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: that and I think about, you know, let me put 487 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: it this way, the average person in the audience looks 488 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: at that and they think, Okay, you got like a 489 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: week in Iowa. You know, you're obviously onto something. If 490 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: you have a first morning like that, that's that's a 491 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: great start. I would look at that a little differently 492 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: and be like, you know, you're gonna be towing a 493 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: cameraman around for a week. You're gonna have a lot 494 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: of different different types of encounters than if you were 495 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: doing it just on your own, and man, that's that's 496 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: a great dear to have that close and when you're 497 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: doing a project like this. I was when you sent 498 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: me that, I was like, I don't know, man, I 499 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: think probably should have been flying, but you know, you 500 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: make those decisions in the moment, and I get why 501 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: you didn't, but that deer would have one percent got 502 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: shot at if if I was there. Yeah. I definitely 503 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: was waffling on it. I was. I mean in the video, 504 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: like they didn't even show the second one. They only 505 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: show one of them. But it's like I don't know, no, yeah, 506 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, no, yeah, no. I go back 507 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: and forth like fifteen times, and I just I just 508 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: couldn't bring myself to It. Was more like I wasn't 509 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: even thinking about the production. I was just thinking about 510 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: I've waited six years to hunt Iowa. I want to 511 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: enjoy the damn thing. You know. I would totally be 512 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: bummed not knowing what might have been possible or what 513 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,479 Speaker 1: I might have seen, or like what the show might 514 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: have been. You know, you go to Iowa and you 515 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: see bucks fighting, and you see bucks chasing, and you 516 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: see big deer and like I, you know, I just 517 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to see the thing. Um. So from that perspective, 518 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: I feel good about the decision at the at the moment. 519 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: What I have loved to have killed that deer on 520 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: day six or seven. Yeah, um, but you know it 521 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: is what it is, so that one, you know, I 522 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: can't take that one back. So Spencer, what about day 523 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: to move us today to what was your what was 524 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: your setup going into that morning and your thought process? 525 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: Day two, I decided to dive into the timber in 526 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: the morning and just going in blind. From what I 527 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: thought on on X looked like a good like funnel 528 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: for deer movement. Um. I I went into in the 529 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: dark and didn't see a single deer that morning, um, 530 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: which which was a bummer. That was sort of that 531 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: was sort of the beginning of my pessimism, Like damnit, 532 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: um if if my morning hunts are going to be 533 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: like this, and uh, you know I only have like 534 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: seven of these evenings. In reality, I don't know that 535 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: I talked about this on the show, But they're gonna 536 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: be moving cattle on the property on November four. So 537 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: I felt like I only had like three days I 538 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: could have hunted beyond that. Um, but it was going 539 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: to kind of shuffle the deck beyond that third day 540 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: of hunting for me. And so in the morning was 541 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: just like totally slow and saw zero deer. Um that 542 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: that was a bummer for me that evening. Though I 543 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: had the right wind to hunt what I considered like 544 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: position A on the property. Um, I knew I would 545 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: see deer. I knew I would see box. I knew 546 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: it was a place where I would see a mix 547 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: of white tails and Muley's. And despite me telling you otherwise, Mark, 548 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: I was fully prepared to shoot a new deer if 549 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: one shut up there. There was some dialogue before the 550 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: show about like what what should I do if a 551 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: mule deer shows up? And I think how I had 552 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: left it was telling you Mark, like, yeah, I don't 553 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't think I will. I won't shoot one if 554 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: one shows up. But I was fully ready to shoot one. 555 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: It wouldn't even been like despite me being very clear 556 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: that you shouldn't it wouldn't even been in like a 557 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: decision to make. It had been like, yeah, I'm gonna 558 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: shoot this thing there, there would have been no offering 559 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: that would have happened if if a big mule deer 560 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: showed up. So anyway, on on the the second night 561 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: of the haunt, I was in position a UM and 562 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: I had some good action. I think I probably saw 563 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: twentysome deer that night, a mixed bag of mules and 564 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: white tails um, a good like buck too doo ratio um. 565 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: But I didn't see anything that like was beyond a 566 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: basket rack, which was which was disappointing, and that was 567 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: my day too. But something that sort of like turned 568 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: the whole thing around was on the morning of day two, 569 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: on my way out of the woods, I wanted to 570 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: learn more about the place since I had sort of 571 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: like accepted that, yeah, I'm gonna have to just like 572 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: kind of blindly hunt this timber. In the mornings going forward, 573 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: I found a scrape taking the scenic route from um 574 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: where I was hunting that morning to the pickup, and 575 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: I actually found a little cluster of scrapes there. And 576 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: for me hunting in the West, I feel like I'm 577 00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm rarely coming across like really good obvious sign um 578 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: just because I feel like the deer like you sign 579 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: making a little bit differently out here. I'm also hunting 580 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: a lot of landscapes that are like very scarred by cattle, 581 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: and so trails aren't always obvious. And even if you 582 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: have like what you think is buck rob it could 583 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: be a porcupine that's chew and on the tree, or 584 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: it could be where cattle like to rub their backs. 585 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 1: And uh, you don't just like find a lot of scrapes, 586 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: even though for you guys, you probably could have started 587 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: marking like uh, Sioux City, Iowa, and and taking a 588 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: rock and throwing it from scrape to scrape and made 589 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: it all the way to like Illinois. That's just like 590 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: how common scrapes are in your area from either not 591 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: And so when I saw that scrape, I dropped a 592 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: pin on on X. It was also only about fifty 593 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: yards from a water crossing, which you've written about before 594 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: and mark in articles mark how like water crossings are 595 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: sort of a terrain feature you can hunt from Maine 596 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: to Montana. It's just something that works, and any idiot 597 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: can go somewhere and identify like a spot where deer 598 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: crossing a creek or a ditch or or some water 599 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: feature like that. So what I had found that morning 600 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: was a water crossing as well as a clusterer scrapes 601 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: and then like fifty yards of each other, and that 602 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: was sort of what informed my hunt four day three, 603 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: which ended up being successful. Alright, So then what about you, 604 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: Tony for day two? Did you end up getting to 605 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: Wisconsin ready to hunt? I can't remember if you did 606 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: hunt that day or if you were still kind of 607 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: in transit. No, No No, we got We got down there 608 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 1: and I had a couple of stands. You know. This 609 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: was this this property them hunting. My buddy bought it, 610 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: uh last winter, actually last spring, and so I had 611 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: spent a little bit of time turkey hunting, a little 612 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: bit time scouting at this summer, and then we did 613 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: one big stand hanging mission in preparation for this, and 614 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: one of the places that we hung a stand was this. Uh. 615 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: It looked like just an amazing crossing at the point 616 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: of this valley where um, you know, the deer kind 617 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: of had to go around some of these really deep 618 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: washouts and there was a series of them. There's actually 619 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: three of them in a row. And so when you're 620 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: talking like a rut spot, I just I've been thinking 621 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: about this spot since we found it in Turkey season, 622 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: since we set up a stand there this summer. And 623 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: so on the second day after driving down there, UH 624 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: went into that spot, got set up, and literally like 625 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: two minutes after I got in stand, two doors ran 626 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: up and a buck chased him right through the crossing, 627 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: a little guy, and I was like, oh my god, 628 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: this is this is it, this is gonna be on 629 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: And that place just proved to be a scrapper fest. 630 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: And for some reason I couldn't buy a sighting of 631 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: a deer bigger than a year and a half old. 632 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: But that's that's where I ended up the first, i 633 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: should say, the second night of this hunt, the first 634 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: night of my Wisconsin part of the hunt. And and 635 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: this was the farm where you actually thought you'd have 636 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: a chance that the big one right Minnesota was where 637 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: you thought you shoot the scrapper in Wisconsin was where 638 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: you thought the big boys would be. Right. Yeah, I 639 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: had pretty high hopes for this property. You know, it's 640 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: it's bluffy stuff real close to the Mississippi River. It's 641 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that I grew up hunting, and 642 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: I just I love it so much. And because of 643 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: those you know that that serious up and down along 644 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: the river, I just don't think. I think you get 645 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: a really good age class there because it's impossible to 646 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 1: just drive out There's there's there's too many places, too 647 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: many big valleys and stuff that the deer can hide on. 648 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: And from my summer scouting and then some of my 649 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: my trail camera work, you know, I knew they were 650 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: really good deer down there. So what's like the name 651 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: of the game for you when it comes to rut 652 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: hunting that bluffy terrain? Uh? Is it? Is it just 653 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: really using those terrain features to funnel movement and just 654 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: counting on that to eventually bring one by you? Or 655 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: if you had to oversimplify your general thought process going 656 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: into that portion of the hunt, what was it so 657 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: and and that stuff? It's always terrain. I mean, I 658 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: think you know, because I I hunt, If you were 659 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: to look at where I hunt in northern Wisconsin, a 660 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: lot of times it's really flat and it's so much 661 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: more difficult to find a good pinch point or a funnel. 662 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: And then you start getting into those hills, those bluffs 663 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: along the river, and they're just tailor made for, you know, 664 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: pushing deer travel a certain way. And so I probably 665 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: went into that too cocky because I found those spots 666 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: this this summer with my buddy and I was like, 667 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: oh man, this is it's over. And what I didn't 668 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: factor in was, you know, it's the first year on 669 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: this this ground. You're gonna learn a bunch of stuff. 670 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: And so that spot and another spot which we'll get 671 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: into later, where I spent a bunch of time on 672 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: this pond, I kind of thought, looking at him and 673 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: reading the sign, I'm like, okay, I know how the 674 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: deer use this well, you guys know how it is. 675 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: Then you get in there and you actually observe deer 676 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: and they cross a bunch of different ways, and they 677 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: travel and they don't come from the same spots you 678 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: think they will, and it's just a crash course on 679 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 1: how the deer used the land. And so my my 680 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: setup was those you know, those specific terrain features. But 681 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: I got a really good education in the six days 682 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: I spent on that farm because they didn't use it 683 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: the way I thought I had it figured out. I 684 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: didn't so walk me through them. What you found out 685 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: on day three? You sat there that first day, next 686 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: day you get in there to go back to the 687 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: same place, or do you scout to final the location 688 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: or what? I went right back to the same stand 689 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: I had a I had that pond standing. You know, 690 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: the forecast for that week where I was started out 691 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: pretty cold and was just progressively supposed to get warmer 692 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: throughout the week, and the winds were gonna shift, and 693 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: so I knew I was going to be dealing with 694 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: some different winds and some some temperatures getting up into 695 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: the sixties by the end of the week. And so 696 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: even though I really wanted to go to the bottom 697 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: of this valley where I had to stand along this pond, 698 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: I just I knew every day that I put it 699 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: off would be better. And so I went right back 700 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: to the crossing stuff for the second day. And it 701 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: was kind of a repeat of the first afternoon. It 702 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: was a lot of not a lot. It was. It 703 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: was some young bucks cruising through in some doze, but 704 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: just nothing nothing where I was like, man, I feel 705 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: like I'm on him now. It just it felt just okay, 706 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: what was the corn situation for you there? Tony, I 707 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: know you said it wasn't ideal in Minnesota. What about 708 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: around that spot in Wisconsin? Um, I didn't have any 709 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: corn anywhere near me. I had corn about three quarters 710 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: of a mile away, and I do think, I actually 711 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: do think that soaked up some of the deer. Um. 712 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: But it was really a non factor for my my 713 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: Wisconsin hunt. And what about you, Mark, I know you 714 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: had said at one point that there was some corn 715 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: being cut. Um, But was that like at the end 716 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: of harvest? Was at the beginning of harvest there? What 717 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: was going on in Iowa? Yeah? It was actually standing 718 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 1: corn almost everywhere I hunted. Um and Um, I would 719 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,280 Speaker 1: bet you like four out of the seven days, maybe 720 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: five out of the seven days, there was corn being 721 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: picked somewhere around me. Um. So I hunted to properties 722 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: one that I had got knock on door permission on 723 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: another one I got permission through a buddy, and um golly, 724 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: the first one they picked like a small subsidiary field 725 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: next to where I hunted on the first day. But 726 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: then there was like five acres of corn and they 727 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: covered all the rest of the property all the way 728 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: until I was done there. That never got taken out 729 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: by the time I was out and then the other 730 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: farm I was hunting, they had picked like kind of 731 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: an outside row and then left everything else until day three, 732 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: and then on day three they picked a bunch of 733 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: the rest. And that was that one day tony where 734 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: I texted you guys and like, I meditated, and I'm 735 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: moving to the cut corn. There's gotta be does out there, 736 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: and they end up not being shipped. Um so there 737 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 1: was there was just there was a lot of corn. 738 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: And then the fact their last day I had a 739 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 1: excuse me, a little standing corn field behind me and 740 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: that was standing all day and then the last like 741 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: two hours of daylight, the farmer came in and picked 742 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: that and ended up picking you know, all the way 743 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: combine all the way till the very end of the day, 744 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: like and wrapped up like the last five minutes of daylight. 745 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: Um So, yeah, I guess that's a long wind of way. 746 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: And say, there was a lot of standing corn. There 747 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: was a lot of combining. Uh didn't end up helping 748 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: me in the ways I thought. I thought I'd be 749 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: like get on some of that fresh combine corn and 750 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: have a flood of doos come out there and be hot. 751 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: That never happened for me. Um, it certainly could have 752 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 1: when there was corn standing in those locations. It certainly 753 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: could have, like Tony said, it could have soaked up 754 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: some of those deer and hidden some of those deer 755 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: out of mat view. I'm sure it did, um how much. 756 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Question for you, Tony Um flipping it 757 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: around here one of the things that I found myself, 758 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: and like every year during the rut, I have this 759 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: debate internally. I'm sure most of us do in some way. 760 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: I'm just curious how you how you think about this 761 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: after this past week, there's this there's these two options 762 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: I feel like we often have during the rut. One 763 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: thing is like this temptation to want to find the 764 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: hot sign, find the action, like where are they right now? 765 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: Where's the hot right now? If if you're sitting out 766 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: there somewhere it's not happening, there's a temptation like you 767 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: gotta go find it, you gotta get out there. So 768 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: part of me was saying, I gotta scout more, I 769 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: need to search more. I've got to go get on 770 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: these deer where they are now, Because as you guys know, 771 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: I had a long spell there in the middle of 772 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: my tripport is really really definitely slow. Um. But then 773 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: I had this other temptation or other thought, which was, man, 774 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: if you have confidence in a feature in a spot, 775 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: because it has certain things that just do work like 776 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: they they're timeless when it comes to the rut. If 777 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: you have a spot like that, sometimes you have to 778 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: give it time. You have to silk in that spot 779 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: to let the good thing finally happen. Right if I 780 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: hunt the best funnel in the world and doesn't happen 781 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: the first morning, you know, big Buck might come through 782 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: the next morning just fine, never know, you know, it 783 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: would have never known. I was there the whole day prior. 784 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: But the next day, here he comes. And if I 785 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: had moved on to the next spot because I was 786 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: impatient and ever wanna you know, enjoyed that opportunity. So 787 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: the whole week I was balancing between those two things, 788 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: like sit in the spot, give it time because I 789 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: believe in it, or search out the new place. And 790 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: I was constantly going back and forth and back and forth. 791 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: And so there's a couple of places where I did 792 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: give time, and then there was a couple of times 793 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: when I was like, I gotta pull out, I gotta 794 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: find something new and scouting all that. But that was 795 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: like the theme of my week was that tension um 796 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 1: Tony with the spots you described, How are you thinking 797 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: through that? Oh man, I think that I think you 798 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: just touched on something that we don't really acknowledge during 799 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: the rut very much. But how much downtime you can 800 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: have and how much like the second guessing can creep in. 801 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,479 Speaker 1: And I I kind of think I feel a little 802 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: different when I'm on public land somewhere. But if I'm 803 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: on private land and I have confidence in my spots 804 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not getting busted by does or 805 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: blowing a lot of deer out. I tend to go 806 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: to volume hunt route and just try to believe in 807 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: it just until I've really sort of exhausted a spot. 808 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: And so I did that, you know where I was 809 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: hunting the first spot specifically in Wisconsin. I rolled that 810 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 1: out I think an afternoon and all day and then 811 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: and then a morning and it was just like, it's 812 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: just not this is just not happening here. I've got 813 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 1: to go somewhere else. But I think there's a really 814 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: fine line between just jumping around because you're like, oh, 815 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: I haven't seen a big buck on this sit yet, 816 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, I don't know, man. You have 817 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: days where you only see a couple of scrappers. You 818 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: have days where it's just slow, and you have days 819 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: where it just pops off. And if you're on a really, 820 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: really good funnel, you want to be there that day 821 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: it pops off, even if the day before it was 822 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: just a couple of four keys and some doze or something. 823 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: And so I kind of think more and more now 824 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 1: that just discipline kills deer during the rut. And and 825 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: unless you've just been given a clear reason to go 826 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: find that new sign, like I, I know that you were, 827 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: you were in that position where you're like I I 828 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: feel like I have to go find them now. Sometimes 829 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: you hit that and you just have to listen to 830 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: it because it's the right call. But other times it's 831 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: like that patience is is what's going to kill that? Dear? Yeah, 832 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: it's it's like you said, though, it's hard when you've got, 833 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: you know, twelve hours of nothing happening in and all 834 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: the little voices whispering in your head. You think through 835 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: every different possible option. At least I do I think 836 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: through everything. Like the entire time out there, I'm just 837 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,839 Speaker 1: thinking through should I do this, should I do this? 838 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: What's this situation, what's the circumstance, what's this factor? And 839 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: I just sit there like doing an algebra problem for 840 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: twelve hours, trying to think through this and that and whatnot. 841 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 1: And it definitely, uh, it can definitely just you know, 842 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: you can go in a direction, that's for sure, Um Spencer. 843 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: What about you when you were there in Montana? Were 844 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: you did you have that kind of tension between like 845 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: it kind of sounds like you did because you had 846 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 1: a spot you liked and then you were going to 847 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: blind o the next morning because you didn't see stuff 848 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: that night before and you were a little worried about 849 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 1: the morning hunts Um, where you just ride in a 850 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: couple of spots you believed in, or did you have 851 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: that temptation to yeah it it? What what made less 852 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: of that for me in my situation was that I 853 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: had no history with this property. Um, Like I I 854 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: had scouted a little bit in October, but I didn't have, like, um, 855 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: some historical perspective like man like November four, this is 856 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: the best spot you can be on the property UM 857 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: or anything like that. So I I was, you know, 858 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,919 Speaker 1: going a little bit off of what I had thought 859 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: I had learned in October and what I had thought 860 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: I had learned through aerial UM. But also when you're 861 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: hunting with a rifle, it feels like, um, you're not 862 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: selecting like a specific trail to hunt, like you guys 863 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 1: have to sort of make those decisions. I'm selecting like 864 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: a region of the property. Um. So there's certainly like 865 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: a lot less of that that comes into play when 866 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: I'm holding the gun and you guys have bows. Yeah, 867 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: that's a good point. So then what about you that day? 868 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: Day three? You said, Day two, this gray setting kind 869 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 1: of set you up for success the next day. How 870 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: that how that pan out? Yes? So so day three, um, 871 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: and I had sort of like made the decision that 872 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: morning about exactly where I was gonna sit, And it 873 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: was just sort of like triangulating a spot on on 874 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: X where like, okay, two hondred yards from this spot 875 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,280 Speaker 1: in the timber I've seen this book exit multiple times 876 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: in October, and fifty yards from this spot there is 877 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: a cluster of scrapes, which I would say as good 878 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,399 Speaker 1: a chance as any of that are his, and then 879 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: fifty yards from that there is a water crossing that 880 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: probably most of the deer in this little herd are using, 881 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: and so using sort of those like three things. I 882 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: had picked a spot on on X that it looked 883 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: like there was gonna be a little lane of visibility 884 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: for me in there, um, which again it's something I'm 885 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: really concerned about when I have a rifle. And and 886 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: that was where I wound up at. And I even 887 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,359 Speaker 1: told the cameraman like when the sun like when you're 888 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: starting to get some light, I was like, dude, I 889 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: have no idea if this is where I want to be. 890 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: Like my changed my mind, um, you know, as soon 891 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: as like five minutes into shooting light, because I think 892 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: we should be fifty yards over or I can get 893 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: better visibility if we're looking at it from the other 894 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,959 Speaker 1: angle instead of over here. But we ended up staying 895 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: there and it really felt like a turkey hunt. I 896 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: was sitting on the ground with my back up against 897 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: a tree. Um. I had my face mask pulled off 898 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I don't know where the deer are 899 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: going to funnel through here. There's like nothing that would 900 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: really like cause an obstruction for them to move through 901 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 1: the timber in a specific way. UM. So I was 902 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: just guessing. And about twenty minutes into shooting light, I 903 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: see the first dough and she's just in like a 904 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: perfect spot. She's like a hundred and twenty yards away. Um, 905 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I nailed it. This, this 906 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: is great if all the deer can do this, And 907 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: there happened to be a shooter with that's exactly where 908 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: I'd want them. And after that dough comes through, then 909 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 1: another dought like a hundred and sixty yards, and another 910 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: dough at like eighty yards, and then I started to 911 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: see some of that randomness of like, yeah, there's nothing 912 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: to funnel the movement in here. And all of a 913 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: sudden I had does everywhere from like sixty yards out 914 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: to a hundred and sixty yards. And as that's kind 915 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 1: of happening to my left, I catch movement behind the cameraman. Again. 916 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: We're sitting on the ground and I look over and 917 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm like I'm whispering the caraman. I'm like, hey, like 918 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: chill out, um, there's a something right behind you. I 919 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: can't tell what it is, but it's like looking at us. 920 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: And uh so this This goes on for a few minutes, 921 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: and it was close enough that it didn't had its 922 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: head like alert towards us, but I couldn't bring up 923 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,319 Speaker 1: my bios. I couldn't tell what it was because the 924 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 1: backdrop was just like some really crowded timber um and 925 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: branches and stuff. And so it ended up being the buck. 926 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: But I had no idea when it was looking at 927 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: us from thirty yards that it was the buck um 928 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 1: that I was after. And so finally the buck kind 929 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: of chills out after I don't move, the cameraman doesn't move, 930 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,839 Speaker 1: and I'm able to pull my bios and uh, I'm like, oh, 931 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,879 Speaker 1: that's this is a shooter. This is a shooter. And 932 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: uh the cameraman did his best to like swing the 933 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 1: camera around, and I'm like, can I shoot? Can I? 934 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 1: Can I shoot? I haven't seen the footage yet, but 935 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: I bet I asked him like six times, um if 936 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 1: if I can shoot? And uh if even if he 937 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: hadn't said yes, going into the seventh I probably would 938 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: have shot because it it felt like the seconds were 939 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: ticking away. This thing had already been like a two 940 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 1: or three minute encounter, and it locked onto us and 941 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: it was aware of us a little bit, and it 942 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: had just like given us enough of window where I 943 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: could pull my binos and and move my rifle over 944 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: and uh, he gave me a green light to shoot, 945 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: and I shot, And at that point it was just 946 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,760 Speaker 1: like uh, an explosion of white tails in the timber, 947 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 1: Like there were deer there in other spots that I 948 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: didn't realize at the moment. Plus I had like those 949 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: seven doughs that I had watched funnel through and in 950 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: the perfect spot. Um, and he only ran about I 951 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,799 Speaker 1: don't know, probably eighty yards and died. But it was 952 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: it was not ideal like thirty yards like oh great, 953 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,839 Speaker 1: Like I picked the perfect spot, but it was far 954 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: from the perfect spot. I would love for those deer 955 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: to be like at a hundred yards, that's just as 956 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,439 Speaker 1: easy of a shot as thirty yards with a rifle, 957 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,280 Speaker 1: even if they were like a hundred and fifty yards 958 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 1: And I didn't have my like scope dial to the 959 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,320 Speaker 1: ideal spot. If if I had known that I was 960 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: going to shoot something at thirty yards, that's not like 961 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 1: a shot that you practice either. Like when I go 962 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,879 Speaker 1: out to the range and I'm prepping for a haunt, 963 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: I'll started like two d and then I go out 964 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: to three and then four and then five and then 965 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 1: back down to two hundred. No one has ever like 966 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: gone out and given themselves a scenario like all right, 967 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,399 Speaker 1: it's a morning hunt and it's a half hour into 968 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: the CITs, and uh, there's the bucket thirty yards what 969 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 1: do you do? And and so the shot was just 970 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 1: fine and it was clean kill through his lungs um, 971 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: But there was some anxiety before the shot and after 972 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: the shot, like did that work out? I don't know. 973 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: I've never fired my rifle at something at thirty yards before. Um, 974 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: But it was just like finding that scrape and that 975 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,040 Speaker 1: water crossing. Like I said, any idiot can go out 976 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,280 Speaker 1: and identify or deer crossing a stream or a creek 977 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,880 Speaker 1: or whatever and then knowing where they were coming out 978 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,879 Speaker 1: of the timber. That put me in that spot, which 979 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: I ended up being just thirty yards from where that 980 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: buck wanted. To be mean, I'll tell you what. You 981 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: should have grew up deer hunting with a gun in 982 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: northern Michigan. We're lucky, Like thirty yards is a long 983 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: shot for us out there. I was like, man, I 984 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,280 Speaker 1: really got some range on this one. Thick, thick stuff. 985 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,720 Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about, Tony A big time many. 986 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: So that's awesome. So day three you killed that buck. 987 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,399 Speaker 1: The scouting ended up helping you out. Um, other than 988 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: those two things you identify, the scrape and the creek crossing, 989 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: was there anything else about that region that spot that 990 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: you think you know lad to him being there, Like 991 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: if you had to sit and try to analyze, Okay, 992 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,320 Speaker 1: why was this the right spot? Is there anything else 993 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 1: that you didn't mention to color that more? Yeah? I 994 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 1: mean I knew like where there were some unholy thick 995 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,320 Speaker 1: timber and brush at the very back of the property 996 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: where I would I would guess like, okay, they're they're 997 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 1: probably betting there. That would be a very if I 998 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,879 Speaker 1: were a white tail, That's where I'd want to bed. 999 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,280 Speaker 1: And I had seen where they were exiting to feed, 1000 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: and so it was just like picking some spot between 1001 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,839 Speaker 1: those two areas, um. And And it was like I said, 1002 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,319 Speaker 1: the scrape and the water crossing that put me there, 1003 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,480 Speaker 1: and uh, you gave me hell for it. Like the 1004 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,399 Speaker 1: day before when I was sending pictures like hey look 1005 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: at this cool petrified would I found? And Uh, it 1006 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: ended up being only like fifty yards from where I 1007 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,319 Speaker 1: also found that scrape, So I was I was very 1008 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: pleased that I took the scenic rout through the woods 1009 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,240 Speaker 1: that helped me find some petrified wood and a scrape 1010 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: and then put me there the next morning. Do you 1011 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: look at those fancy rocks as like a sign to 1012 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,359 Speaker 1: make you like when that happens and you're out walking 1013 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 1: in the woods, do you now tend to gravitate gravitate 1014 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,359 Speaker 1: to that kind of spot for dear, No, not at all. 1015 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: It Actually it makes me a worse hunter. Like I'll 1016 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: pick a glassing spot where there's like some exposed gravel 1017 00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: or something, or like, uh, I'll have my eyes on 1018 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,800 Speaker 1: the ground and I'm like walking somewhere and they should 1019 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 1: be up looking for other stuff. So it, uh, it 1020 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: makes me a worse hunter. I'm aware of it. Yeah, Tony, 1021 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,919 Speaker 1: I guess question number one is how do you feel 1022 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: about Spencer's rock hunting? And question number two is question 1023 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,160 Speaker 1: number two is was there anything else of interest on 1024 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,760 Speaker 1: day three for you? Worth cover Listen. I love my 1025 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: me and my little girls. We do a lot of 1026 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,319 Speaker 1: eggit hunting and a lot of shed hunting. So I 1027 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 1: get where Spencer's coming from. I just think there's a 1028 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 1: time and a place for it. And I think I 1029 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: think Spencer gets a little uh, he gets a little 1030 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,200 Speaker 1: distracted once in a while when he's out there, but 1031 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: it's okay, I get why he's doing it. Uh. And 1032 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: as far as my day three, it was just a 1033 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 1: scrapp per fest. Man, it was it felt, you know. 1034 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,879 Speaker 1: And I my buddy Adam was hunting the place with 1035 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,799 Speaker 1: us too, so he was out in different spots on 1036 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 1: the same farm, and we kind of just had this 1037 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 1: had similar experiences. It was if you saw a buck 1038 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,800 Speaker 1: coming or you heard a grunt, you looked up and 1039 00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: it was a little fork or a little six or 1040 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: a little you know, eight point or whatever, and it 1041 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,160 Speaker 1: just was like we're both kind of sitting there going 1042 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: it just feels like it hasn't broke loose yet, Like 1043 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 1: even though I had already killed a great buck earlier 1044 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: in the week, it just we're just, you know, like 1045 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: you're waiting for that time when it's like it shifts 1046 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: from just being scrappers running all over the countryside to 1047 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 1: deer of all ages. And by the third day it 1048 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: had that had not happened for me down in Wisconsin. 1049 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,239 Speaker 1: So so let me ask you this. I'm pulling this 1050 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: purely from anecdotal sources of like a sample size of 1051 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: like eight guys that were all hunting around Iowa where 1052 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,240 Speaker 1: I was at UM leading into the week I started 1053 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,000 Speaker 1: hunting and hunting during the week I was there, and 1054 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 1: the consensus was that there was a lot of running 1055 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 1: activity the week prior to November, like that last week 1056 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: of October. Everyone was like, man, it was on fire. 1057 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 1: A couple of people I know got shots, and that 1058 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,319 Speaker 1: first day or two was pretty good, and then there 1059 00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: was basically the majority of that first week was really 1060 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 1: least slow at least around us, like multiple people, a 1061 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: bunch of different people. Basically all the people I was 1062 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,280 Speaker 1: talking to down there, we're all saying, man, it's dead slow. 1063 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: The only good bucks they were seeing were locked on does. 1064 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 1: And and there was one well, one day that I 1065 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,759 Speaker 1: was driving from one proper to another, and then that 1066 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,359 Speaker 1: one drive of like a fifteen minute drive from one 1067 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,160 Speaker 1: spot to the next, at midday I saw three different 1068 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,360 Speaker 1: big mature bucks locked on does in the middle of 1069 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,359 Speaker 1: the day, off the side of the road or back 1070 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,879 Speaker 1: in the field, that kind of thing. And then two 1071 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,439 Speaker 1: of my other friends had already tagged out, just spent 1072 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: a lot of time just driving around, puts around, looking 1073 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 1: for deer and just having fun. And they were seeing 1074 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: the same thing that first week. A lot of mature 1075 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 1: bucks locked on does um, which I would think the 1076 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,880 Speaker 1: first few days in November is not out of the question, 1077 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: of course, like that happens, but to see so many 1078 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: of them locked down felt like a weird, earlier than 1079 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 1: usual kind of phenomena. Um, did you see her hear 1080 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 1: anything about that kind of thing happening between the two 1081 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,040 Speaker 1: of you guys, or anyone else you've talked to? I did, 1082 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 1: for sure to know about you, Spence. But I kind 1083 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,480 Speaker 1: of think that that happens way more than we think 1084 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,759 Speaker 1: you here. I mean a lot of times the last 1085 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,719 Speaker 1: week October is on fire, and then it seems like 1086 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,919 Speaker 1: there's just this little down period then it kicks in again. 1087 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 1: But I think your experience, Mark, I think that was 1088 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 1: what we had going on to an extent. And I 1089 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,719 Speaker 1: don't you know, like this is totally speculation, but when 1090 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,600 Speaker 1: you've got a ton of doze around, the odds of 1091 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,640 Speaker 1: one of them going into astris are way higher, right, 1092 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,399 Speaker 1: It's just a numbers game, and I kind of feel 1093 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 1: like the places I see that happen where you might 1094 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: get bucks that feel like they're really locked down earlier 1095 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 1: than you traditionally guess a lot of times it feels 1096 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 1: like that happens in places where you just have a 1097 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 1: ton of doze to work with. And I don't know 1098 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 1: if that's what it is or not, but it sure 1099 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,840 Speaker 1: felt that way for us in in Wisconsin as well. Yeah, Spencer, 1100 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 1: did you get to talk to anyone? I haven't. I 1101 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 1: haven't heard radio it all last week because I was 1102 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: gone the whole time. Did anybody else share any any 1103 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 1: experience like that or anyone else talked to you mention 1104 00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: something in those lines? Not not that specific typically, Um, 1105 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 1: Nor did I happen to witness it in Montana or 1106 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,160 Speaker 1: Wyoming either, But that also just feels like a very 1107 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 1: Midwest scenario that you're describing to Like you're driving around 1108 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,640 Speaker 1: and they're like, happened be a caught cornfield and now 1109 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 1: there's like a big buck in a big dough betted 1110 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,600 Speaker 1: down out there. Um, I feel like that's a that's 1111 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,880 Speaker 1: less likely to happen in my neck of the woods 1112 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 1: out here, And I don't feel like I saw that 1113 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 1: happening either, But I also don't think I'm in a 1114 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,640 Speaker 1: lot of situations to witness that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, 1115 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 1: I hear you. Okay, So day four, I'm trying to 1116 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 1: remember now what happened on day four with you guys, Spencer. 1117 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,960 Speaker 1: You were moving to Wyoming, and uh, if I recall 1118 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,319 Speaker 1: didn't start out, well, do you want to give me 1119 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,160 Speaker 1: like the day four cliff notes on what's on what 1120 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:49,640 Speaker 1: happened here, because it was it was kind of a 1121 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 1: transitionary period for you, right, Yes, So day Day three 1122 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: I killed in the morning, so I was able to 1123 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,920 Speaker 1: make the drive to Wyoming yet that night and be 1124 00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:03,200 Speaker 1: hunting on the morning on day four. Um, it started 1125 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: off tough. Um. I had hunted this area one other 1126 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: time last year in October, and I had came down 1127 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 1: to it again in this last September to hang a 1128 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: few trail camps. But other than that, I have I 1129 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,239 Speaker 1: have no like history with this place, and so my 1130 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,680 Speaker 1: assumed knowledge about things like, oh, there's gonna be cattle 1131 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,719 Speaker 1: in this pasture, and there's gonna be horses over here, 1132 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,359 Speaker 1: and this field is going to be corn, and this 1133 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 1: one's gonna be beans, and this one's gonna be harvested 1134 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,040 Speaker 1: because it's been so dry. I was wrong on so 1135 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: much of it. I had a ton of wrong And 1136 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,680 Speaker 1: I even told the caraman is like, yeah, you know, 1137 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,799 Speaker 1: we're gonna learn a lot when the sun starts to 1138 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 1: come up here about like what's corn and where are 1139 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 1: their livestock at and stuff like that. And I happen 1140 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 1: to pick like a really poor spot that first morning, 1141 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,319 Speaker 1: and it felt like when they show it there should 1142 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: be like Benny Hill music playing, because I ended up 1143 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,360 Speaker 1: in like a horse pasture with like every horse couldn't 1144 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,359 Speaker 1: have been more curious about what I was or what 1145 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 1: I was doing. All They're all like walking up to 1146 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,040 Speaker 1: me and like trying to figure it out. It looked 1147 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,759 Speaker 1: like they're like solving a math problem standing there looking 1148 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,279 Speaker 1: at me because they weren't quite sure what I was 1149 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,279 Speaker 1: or what I was doing. There. There happened to be 1150 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,120 Speaker 1: some deer onto I wasn't terrible for deer movement, but 1151 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,840 Speaker 1: I just I don't want to be by horses. Is 1152 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,080 Speaker 1: an extra thing to think about, and I'm pulling the trigger. 1153 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,719 Speaker 1: It's also like not ideal for deer movement. It's not 1154 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,839 Speaker 1: like the deer gonna you know, hate horses or something 1155 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: like that. But if they have the choice to to 1156 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,520 Speaker 1: move through like the landscape in the past year next 1157 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,279 Speaker 1: door that doesn't have horses or the one that does 1158 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,080 Speaker 1: have horses, they'll they'll just pick the one that doesn't 1159 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,080 Speaker 1: have horses. Um. And so Day two in the morning 1160 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,760 Speaker 1: wasn't great. Uh. That evening I had found a cut 1161 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,000 Speaker 1: corn field in the area, which I was I was 1162 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,960 Speaker 1: really concerned about. And I only saw a couple of 1163 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,319 Speaker 1: doughs that night. And that was when I had realized, like, man, 1164 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,719 Speaker 1: I really don't know jack about this place, all the 1165 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,319 Speaker 1: stuff that I thought anyway, I don't because I thought 1166 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,840 Speaker 1: I was on like the best food source in the 1167 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,280 Speaker 1: neighborhood with you know, one of the best betting areas nearby, 1168 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,279 Speaker 1: and just happened to see nothing. And I was trying 1169 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,200 Speaker 1: to diagnose, like, what's going on here? Why Why am 1170 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 1: I not seeing as many deer as I think? Um, 1171 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,239 Speaker 1: which I learned more about on day five. I think 1172 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 1: on day five I figured out why my haunting was 1173 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 1: so slow in that spot. But day four was not great. Okay, Tony, 1174 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:28,160 Speaker 1: what about your situation? Uh? My Day four was the 1175 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,160 Speaker 1: last sit on that crossing that I just couldn't get 1176 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 1: it going on. And then I moved to the pond 1177 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,160 Speaker 1: for at the bottom of the valley for an afternoon 1178 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 1: sit and it was still more of the same. Uh 1179 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,520 Speaker 1: So I saw a lot of deer and I started 1180 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:43,880 Speaker 1: to get to figure out how they were using the 1181 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 1: valley around that pond finally when I got to go 1182 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,440 Speaker 1: in there, but it was a scrapper fest once again. 1183 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,840 Speaker 1: And you know it was it was slated to get hotter, 1184 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,080 Speaker 1: and so you're sitting there thinking, Okay, is that gonna 1185 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,280 Speaker 1: affect the situation at all? But you're sitting on water 1186 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,320 Speaker 1: and it's going from you know, November four to November five, 1187 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,880 Speaker 1: and you just think, at one of these times it's 1188 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 1: gotta bust open. And so, you know, the fourth day 1189 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,120 Speaker 1: was kind of a kind of a wash for me. 1190 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,959 Speaker 1: It was fun, but I didn't you know, it wasn't 1191 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,680 Speaker 1: that great. But the fifth day turned on for me, 1192 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,160 Speaker 1: and they're in a in a major way. But I 1193 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,000 Speaker 1: didn't have I didn't have much going on until that 1194 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,040 Speaker 1: fourth day ended, let me put it that way, And 1195 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,560 Speaker 1: and day five was the day for both you guys, right, 1196 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,480 Speaker 1: I didn't kill on Day five. I did I did, 1197 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,400 Speaker 1: but it was a big day for you. It was 1198 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,280 Speaker 1: a big day. It was a big frustrating day. And Spencer, 1199 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,920 Speaker 1: was day five or six, your your next big excitement. 1200 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,280 Speaker 1: Day five is when I killed Okay, So let's let's 1201 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 1: go with you, Spencer Phillison, on how you were able 1202 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,919 Speaker 1: to figure out what the problem was on day five 1203 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,640 Speaker 1: and how you fixed it, um, and then we'll let 1204 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,439 Speaker 1: Tony ride it out from there. Day five, I thought 1205 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 1: I identified what would be a good spot for my 1206 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,400 Speaker 1: morning haunted Wyoming, and I get there plenty early, and 1207 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm having a unique gas where I'm crossing two pieces 1208 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,440 Speaker 1: of private ground to get to a piece of public, 1209 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,760 Speaker 1: both of which I had permission for um. And if 1210 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,560 Speaker 1: you didn't have a way to come in via the private, 1211 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,840 Speaker 1: it would be almost impossible to haunt otherwise. And I'm 1212 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,920 Speaker 1: coming into where I want to be in the morning, 1213 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,800 Speaker 1: and there's a headlamp like fifty yards from where I 1214 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 1: have my on xpain dropped of where I'm headed to, 1215 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,720 Speaker 1: and so I go over and and I talked to 1216 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,240 Speaker 1: the dude, and it turned out we had both gotten 1217 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,919 Speaker 1: permission from the same folks and had the same game plan, 1218 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 1: and he had beat me there, so I moved out. 1219 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,680 Speaker 1: But in talking to him, I had learned um that 1220 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,640 Speaker 1: he had permission as well as a handful of other guys. 1221 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 1: He said that the neighboring properties also get a bit 1222 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,560 Speaker 1: of pressure this time of year. And where I was 1223 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,120 Speaker 1: ignorant coming into this is that when I was in 1224 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,920 Speaker 1: Wyoming in haunting in October, I was hunting in the 1225 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,760 Speaker 1: middle of the week, um, and I had talked to 1226 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: you a handful of landowners at one point when like 1227 00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 1: five or five getting permission to haunt, like nobody tell 1228 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 1: me now, and it was it was amazing, But that 1229 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,680 Speaker 1: generosity didn't end with me. That had turned out that 1230 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,560 Speaker 1: they didn't really tell anybody now. And uh So the 1231 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,720 Speaker 1: difference being there during the middle of the week in 1232 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: October versus on a weekend in November made an enormous difference. 1233 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,320 Speaker 1: So we had that guy where I wanted to be. 1234 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,720 Speaker 1: I started ahead to my Plan B spot. On my 1235 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,160 Speaker 1: way over there, I see a ranger pulling up like 1236 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,760 Speaker 1: like a side by side. Um. So then I go 1237 01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,600 Speaker 1: to like a Plan F. And as I'm at Plan 1238 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,720 Speaker 1: F twenty minutes into the haunt, a different ranger comes 1239 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,760 Speaker 1: driving by. Within a hundred yards of me, and uh 1240 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,120 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes after that, long ways away on a 1241 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,640 Speaker 1: different property I can haunt. I see a pickup driving 1242 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,800 Speaker 1: across like a pasture, and he stops and gets out, 1243 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,760 Speaker 1: and he rattles off six shots at something that I 1244 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,680 Speaker 1: couldn't even see what it was he was shooting at, 1245 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,480 Speaker 1: whether it was deer, coyote, or whatever. But I had 1246 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: quickly learned that there were many many folks that were 1247 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,240 Speaker 1: sort of doing the same thing as me, and these 1248 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,200 Speaker 1: places you just do not hunt big enough for that 1249 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 1: sort of high impact pressure where guys are driving rangers 1250 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,360 Speaker 1: around or getting out of their pickups and rattling off 1251 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,320 Speaker 1: shots like that. Um. And there's also like not that 1252 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,080 Speaker 1: many mature bucks to go around. Even if we all 1253 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,120 Speaker 1: sort of had the same idea to kill something three 1254 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,880 Speaker 1: and a half years old or older, it just like 1255 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,520 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen. So day five I didn't see a 1256 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: single deer, but I also encountered a ton of hunting pressure, um, 1257 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,320 Speaker 1: which was sort of like the lowest point of of 1258 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,880 Speaker 1: my whole week so far. And so then coming off 1259 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,520 Speaker 1: the morning on day five, like, all right, I gotta 1260 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,720 Speaker 1: figure something else out. I need to go like knock 1261 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,720 Speaker 1: on other doors or find some other public to haunt 1262 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,920 Speaker 1: or whatever. And uh, I probably put a hundred miles 1263 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 1: on my pickup that afternoon, driving basically the whole unit. 1264 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,640 Speaker 1: My tag was good for looking at pieces of public 1265 01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,960 Speaker 1: and talking to different landowners and stuff like that. And 1266 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,480 Speaker 1: I ended up getting three permissions off of about on 1267 01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,200 Speaker 1: a ten or twelve doors I knocked on UM. One person, though, 1268 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,440 Speaker 1: wanted a trespass fee, which I wasn't really interested in. 1269 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,320 Speaker 1: The other person UM had said I was welcome hunt, 1270 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,720 Speaker 1: but they hadn't seen a deer they're like all fall. 1271 01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,320 Speaker 1: And then the other person where I ended up deer hunting, 1272 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,800 Speaker 1: said that they would get somewhere between like ten and 1273 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,120 Speaker 1: thirty deer in their field of night UM and that 1274 01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,040 Speaker 1: I was I was welcome to go out there. So 1275 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,240 Speaker 1: that was when I settled in for night or for 1276 01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,480 Speaker 1: the for the evening of night five UM. And it 1277 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,320 Speaker 1: was sort of the same thing that I had experienced 1278 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,520 Speaker 1: many times over, Like I go in there based on 1279 01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,160 Speaker 1: what I thought I knew about the place and on 1280 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 1: X and I sit down, I'm like, I have no 1281 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,600 Speaker 1: idea if this is right, Like I might change my mind. 1282 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,880 Speaker 1: I may be way way off about where I'm sitting 1283 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,000 Speaker 1: on this property. And the first deer that we see, 1284 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,040 Speaker 1: I watched him come all the way from like six 1285 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,560 Speaker 1: hundred yards to crossing the fence in front of me 1286 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,640 Speaker 1: at like twenty yards. So yet again I was like 1287 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,400 Speaker 1: far too close for a rifle for for where I 1288 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,680 Speaker 1: should be. Um. But that evening there were some other 1289 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,520 Speaker 1: deals that fed out. I don't know. They were probably 1290 01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,920 Speaker 1: seven yards away from me at the time, and all 1291 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,680 Speaker 1: I could see where do was at that point, but 1292 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,600 Speaker 1: I thought that's where I should be. Anyway, if there's 1293 01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,600 Speaker 1: doughs there, maybe a buck's gonna show up at laft 1294 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,240 Speaker 1: last light. So we cut the distance from probably like 1295 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,480 Speaker 1: seven yards to I don't know, about two hundred yards 1296 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,040 Speaker 1: to where I see all these doughs are at. And 1297 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,040 Speaker 1: at that time a buck comes rolling out into the 1298 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,200 Speaker 1: field and it was just like a perfectly ruddy scene 1299 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,560 Speaker 1: where he is chasing these doughs all over hell and 1300 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,680 Speaker 1: he gets on one dough and he he chases her 1301 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,720 Speaker 1: to what happens to be within like two d yards 1302 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 1: of me, and he was so hot on her at 1303 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,640 Speaker 1: the time that like I couldn't tell what was really 1304 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,720 Speaker 1: going on in this rat because he had like some 1305 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,320 Speaker 1: sage hanging down and stuff, because he was cutting through 1306 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 1: the vegetation so hard, and I'm trying to stop him, 1307 01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 1: going matt man man, and I probably do that like 1308 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,840 Speaker 1: four times. Finally I whistle at him and uh, do 1309 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,440 Speaker 1: another like marit, and at that point he stops at 1310 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,120 Speaker 1: like two hundred yards the dough was gone, and uh, 1311 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,360 Speaker 1: I shoot him. And the being a four by four 1312 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:01,960 Speaker 1: um not very big, probably like a two and a 1313 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,680 Speaker 1: half or maybe a three and a half year old 1314 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,800 Speaker 1: since there's not great nutrition here. But I was stoked 1315 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,920 Speaker 1: on it. I felt like I solved a puzzle. I 1316 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,360 Speaker 1: felt like I saw a puzzle. Um. I had gained 1317 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,800 Speaker 1: access a few hours prior, and you know, within an 1318 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,960 Speaker 1: hour after that, I was hanging the deer and the 1319 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,200 Speaker 1: guy's shed. Um. And then that morning, like it, it 1320 01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,040 Speaker 1: felt like I wasn't even back at square one. I 1321 01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,400 Speaker 1: was like square zero. Because of all this knowledge I 1322 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,000 Speaker 1: thought I had, I didn't have, and all this access 1323 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,920 Speaker 1: I thought I had, I didn't have to myself. UM. 1324 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,200 Speaker 1: So to like figure that out in the afternoon and 1325 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,320 Speaker 1: find a new place to haunt using on X and 1326 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,000 Speaker 1: then like finding a place that I wanted to haunt 1327 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,400 Speaker 1: on the property and closing the distance. Uh, man, it 1328 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,480 Speaker 1: felt good. It was like so satisfying. It's one of 1329 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,280 Speaker 1: the smaller box that I've killed and in a few years. Um, 1330 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: but damn it, I was. I was real stoked with 1331 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,480 Speaker 1: how it happened. Yeah. I love the resiliency and the 1332 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,480 Speaker 1: way you're able able to pivot. I mean that was 1333 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,040 Speaker 1: that was good stuff right there. Do you do you 1334 01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,400 Speaker 1: have any thoughts you can share on just your trick 1335 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,680 Speaker 1: to talking his landowners? I mean how you approach them, 1336 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,920 Speaker 1: how you how you went about asking them for permission, 1337 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,560 Speaker 1: anything you've learned because you've done it's a bunch. Now, 1338 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,800 Speaker 1: Um what what led to your success on that front? 1339 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,040 Speaker 1: Because that was kind of the key to this whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, 1340 01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:19,600 Speaker 1: I try to put myself in like high success scenarios, Um, 1341 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,560 Speaker 1: where if I'm going to knock on someone's door or 1342 01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,400 Speaker 1: like writing a letter, Um, I'm not going for like 1343 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,360 Speaker 1: usually the A plus property that probably already has like 1344 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,760 Speaker 1: deer stands on it, and then they've been asked a 1345 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,880 Speaker 1: hundred times and you can see that they've like manicured 1346 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,200 Speaker 1: the property in a certain way for like hunting it 1347 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,000 Speaker 1: or something like that. Those aren't the place I'm going after. 1348 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm going after like B minus property, something that's like 1349 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:47,040 Speaker 1: worth my time and probably still holds like some good deer. Um. 1350 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,640 Speaker 1: But also these spokes like don't really value it themselves 1351 01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,080 Speaker 1: because it's it's not so obvious like what the deer 1352 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,560 Speaker 1: doing or where the deer at. They're not getting bogged 1353 01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,440 Speaker 1: all the time from neighbors to hunt it. Um. And 1354 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:01,920 Speaker 1: then it also helps to be in a state like 1355 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,120 Speaker 1: Wyoming where a lot of the folks there within fifty 1356 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,200 Speaker 1: miles of where I killed my white tail. You can 1357 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,080 Speaker 1: be in like some world class lk hunting and big 1358 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,840 Speaker 1: horn sheep and and antelope and uh giant mule deer 1359 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, white tails become like such an 1360 01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,520 Speaker 1: afterthought even for the folks that live there and like 1361 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,120 Speaker 1: hunting themselves. Um. It's almost like I'm asking permission to 1362 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,280 Speaker 1: coyot hunt with some of these people. That's how like 1363 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,200 Speaker 1: low they think of a white tail. Um. So I 1364 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,560 Speaker 1: think one of the best things that I do, though, is, 1365 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,680 Speaker 1: like I said, seeking out what I would identify as 1366 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,080 Speaker 1: like a B minus property, rather than only spending my 1367 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,280 Speaker 1: time trying to get permission on something that's an A plus. 1368 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,200 Speaker 1: I think that's great advice, especially if you're trying to 1369 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,320 Speaker 1: get last minute permission like this, like in season, that's 1370 01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,400 Speaker 1: such a hard ask in a lot of places that 1371 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:55,080 Speaker 1: those overlooked spots. That's that's a really really good idea. Um, 1372 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:59,960 Speaker 1: well well done man, nicely nicely pulled off spin move there. 1373 01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,440 Speaker 1: Then thank you, thank you. And so that was that 1374 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,720 Speaker 1: was my day five and happened in the evening and 1375 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,600 Speaker 1: then uh, I mean that was basically then the main 1376 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:13,000 Speaker 1: gist of year week. You filled your second tag showing 1377 01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,560 Speaker 1: us all how it's done, Tony. Tony, you were still 1378 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,280 Speaker 1: going close us out here with the story of your 1379 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,480 Speaker 1: two days of of chaos or whatever ended up being 1380 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,040 Speaker 1: there in Wisconsin to close things out. How how did 1381 01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:30,840 Speaker 1: you how do you adjust on day five? And what happened? Well, 1382 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,120 Speaker 1: on day five, I just about put rocks into my 1383 01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,600 Speaker 1: pockets and jumped into the Mississippi after the morning hunt. 1384 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:41,880 Speaker 1: So I went back into that pond stand and had 1385 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,840 Speaker 1: it was it was supposed to get I think in 1386 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,640 Speaker 1: the fifties that day, so it was supposed to get 1387 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,280 Speaker 1: pretty warm, but it was clear from the sits in 1388 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,160 Speaker 1: there that they were there were there was extra stuff 1389 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,760 Speaker 1: going on there besides just the water. There was a 1390 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,520 Speaker 1: really good funnel that I could shoot too, and I knew, 1391 01:07:58,520 --> 01:07:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I knew that was there. I had a 1392 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,080 Speaker 1: camera on it. But there was also a knob on 1393 01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,960 Speaker 1: the hill above us that the does seem to go 1394 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,320 Speaker 1: in there, and bed I've never been in there. I'm 1395 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,560 Speaker 1: going to be this winner. But a lot of the 1396 01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,120 Speaker 1: action kind of it went to there, and it originated 1397 01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,640 Speaker 1: from there, and so it was sort of like I 1398 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,519 Speaker 1: felt like I was sitting below one of the best 1399 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,880 Speaker 1: betting areas doe betting areas on the property, kind of 1400 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,639 Speaker 1: by accident. But anyway, the fifth morning of the hunt 1401 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,200 Speaker 1: starts out when a little scrapper comes down, gets the drink, 1402 01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:31,920 Speaker 1: goes back up the hill and like perfect, you know, 1403 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,880 Speaker 1: he didn't win to us anything. And then at like 1404 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,800 Speaker 1: nine o'clock in the morning, like a hundred and fifty 1405 01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,120 Speaker 1: inch comes running down the hill and I stand up, 1406 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, get clipped on my cameraman scrambling, and that 1407 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,840 Speaker 1: buck stops. He walks by at fifteen yards. I can't 1408 01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,040 Speaker 1: shoot him yet because I'm waiting for the cameraman, and 1409 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,519 Speaker 1: then he stops at the pond twenty one yards below me, 1410 01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,800 Speaker 1: and this is a beautiful book, like all of and 1411 01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,240 Speaker 1: so I'm just waiting. He's he's got to turn like 1412 01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,240 Speaker 1: a foot and a half and I've got a twenty 1413 01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,360 Speaker 1: one yard shot, wide open opportunity. And he drinks and 1414 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,240 Speaker 1: he walks into the pond. He drinks some more. And 1415 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,639 Speaker 1: every deer to that point has gone there and then 1416 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,479 Speaker 1: walked right back up through that shooting lane. So this 1417 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,200 Speaker 1: buck starts to turn and I draw, and he walks 1418 01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,360 Speaker 1: right below me in all this brush. So now he's 1419 01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,519 Speaker 1: like ten yards away. I have no shot, so I 1420 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,000 Speaker 1: let down, and instead of doing what every other deer did, 1421 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,479 Speaker 1: this deer decides to go up along the dike where 1422 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,880 Speaker 1: I can't shoot, and he's walking out of my life. 1423 01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,840 Speaker 1: And so he ends up cutting through this brush at 1424 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,360 Speaker 1: like thirty yards walking away. So I grabbed my grunt 1425 01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,360 Speaker 1: tube and I grunt at him, and he stops and turns, 1426 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,240 Speaker 1: and then he's kind of thinking about it, and then 1427 01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,879 Speaker 1: he turns to walk away and ground again turns around. 1428 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,200 Speaker 1: This happens like I think three times. He starts making 1429 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,040 Speaker 1: a scrape and and working his antlers in the tree, 1430 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:53,559 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at him like I got a perfect 1431 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,960 Speaker 1: hole to his vitals, and so I range him. It's 1432 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,800 Speaker 1: thirty four yards, and so I dial into thirty four 1433 01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,040 Speaker 1: and just get ready to draw. He turns starts walking 1434 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,080 Speaker 1: right at me. So I dial back down to twenty. 1435 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, this deer's toast, and he starts getting closer, 1436 01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,799 Speaker 1: and instead of going under this log across the trail, 1437 01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,400 Speaker 1: he cuts down into this brush. And so this buck 1438 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,719 Speaker 1: is like he's like bulletproof, Like every move he's made 1439 01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,839 Speaker 1: has kept him just like with enough stuff on his vitals. 1440 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 1: And now he's like maybe twenty yards away, standing in 1441 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,960 Speaker 1: the brush, and I've got a shot at every part 1442 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,800 Speaker 1: of this deer but his lungs, Like I could shoot 1443 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,160 Speaker 1: him in the head, I coul shoot him in the butt, 1444 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,960 Speaker 1: everywhere that you don't want to shoot a deer. And 1445 01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,960 Speaker 1: he stands there, stands there, and finally moves a little bit, 1446 01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,800 Speaker 1: gets down wind of us, and takes off, and it 1447 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:44,240 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, I don't know if my 1448 01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,280 Speaker 1: camera guy was filmed. And after that deer ran away 1449 01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,200 Speaker 1: or not, I threw a pitty party. I was so 1450 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,080 Speaker 1: bummed to have that deer. I I felt like it 1451 01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,000 Speaker 1: was like five minutes, I have aft within you know, 1452 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,439 Speaker 1: thirty four yards of me. It ended up being a 1453 01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,360 Speaker 1: seven and a half minute encounter and I never killed 1454 01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:00,840 Speaker 1: that deer, and I booked him out of there. He 1455 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,640 Speaker 1: got he winded us, and I was like, how you 1456 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,639 Speaker 1: know I had already killed one in the one fifties 1457 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,120 Speaker 1: on Monday. I'm like, how how long am I gonna 1458 01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,160 Speaker 1: have to wait for? I have another week where I 1459 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:16,479 Speaker 1: get two really good opportunities at hundred fifty bucks And 1460 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,200 Speaker 1: it was just a downer. So we set that out 1461 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:24,440 Speaker 1: and I ended up I had fully gone into this 1462 01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,160 Speaker 1: this project. I'm like, I'm going home with a bunch 1463 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,519 Speaker 1: of meat. I got a bunch of dough tags, I 1464 01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,360 Speaker 1: got two buck tags, I got a fall turkey tag, 1465 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,760 Speaker 1: and I hadn't had a really good opportunity at a 1466 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,679 Speaker 1: dough yet. And I wanted to rest that pond spot 1467 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,439 Speaker 1: because I knew, uh, we were going to get progressively warmer. 1468 01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,320 Speaker 1: So I knew I was gonna pull all days sits 1469 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,240 Speaker 1: from there on out there because it was gonna get 1470 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,760 Speaker 1: into the sixties. And so my buddy had put in 1471 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,080 Speaker 1: this clover plot and I was like, I'm gonna go 1472 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,599 Speaker 1: put a blind up on there, just try to try 1473 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,360 Speaker 1: to get a dough and you know, maybe a doll 1474 01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,439 Speaker 1: bring in a buck, you know. But I literally went 1475 01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,200 Speaker 1: into it thinking I'm gonna maybe shoot a doll or 1476 01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,320 Speaker 1: calling a turkey that afternoon and sitting there, you know, 1477 01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,920 Speaker 1: it's getting a little bit later, and all of a sudden, 1478 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,120 Speaker 1: I thought I heard a grunt. I'm like, yeah, man, 1479 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,960 Speaker 1: that sounded close. Six doughs run by the blind and 1480 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,479 Speaker 1: I look up and here comes this nice three and 1481 01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,479 Speaker 1: a half year old type eight pointer and he stops 1482 01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,080 Speaker 1: twenty nine yards quartered away, and I'm on the ground. 1483 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,479 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, he's toast. Well. My cameraman 1484 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,240 Speaker 1: can't get on him because the side of the blind. 1485 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,040 Speaker 1: So I start panicking because I know this buck's going 1486 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,360 Speaker 1: to chase those doughs like he's I had already stopped 1487 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,760 Speaker 1: him once, and so I knew I had to let 1488 01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,640 Speaker 1: him walk, stop him when he got on film, and 1489 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,679 Speaker 1: then try to shoot him. And by then my brain 1490 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,760 Speaker 1: was sludge, and that deer walked out. I stopped him, 1491 01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,639 Speaker 1: I guessed, I can't remember what I guess now, thirty 1492 01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:44,360 Speaker 1: thirty something, and I stopped him, wide open, nothing between 1493 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,240 Speaker 1: me and him, but air an opportunity, and I shot 1494 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,120 Speaker 1: right over his back and he ran off, and I 1495 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,960 Speaker 1: was like, I cannot believe I just blew that shot. 1496 01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,400 Speaker 1: Nobody's fault on my own. So like now I've had 1497 01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,200 Speaker 1: two amazing opportunities today after struggling for three days. And 1498 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,360 Speaker 1: that deer he kind of he got a little wiggy. 1499 01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:05,200 Speaker 1: Obviously he left those doughs stayed out there. And as 1500 01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,680 Speaker 1: it got later, you know, we run, you run out 1501 01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,680 Speaker 1: of camera light earlier than you run out of shooting light. 1502 01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,840 Speaker 1: And it was getting to that point where you're like, 1503 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,920 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty much time to call it. But there's 1504 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,559 Speaker 1: a bunch of does out in front of us and 1505 01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,280 Speaker 1: my camera and starts kind of packing up, and I'm like, dude, 1506 01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,320 Speaker 1: let's just let's hang tight for a little bit. Let's 1507 01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,600 Speaker 1: hease dear clear out. I don't want to spook him. 1508 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,360 Speaker 1: And I said, I think a big one is going 1509 01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,360 Speaker 1: to come out. And no, sooner had I said that 1510 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,639 Speaker 1: than I looked out and this monster body deer comes 1511 01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,439 Speaker 1: out and I bring up my binos and my first 1512 01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,120 Speaker 1: impression is one eight, like it's it's one of the 1513 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,760 Speaker 1: biggest bucks I've ever laid eyes on. Ever, and he 1514 01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,920 Speaker 1: starts chasing a dough and I'm looking at him and 1515 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,639 Speaker 1: it's getting darker, but it's still legal shooting light. But 1516 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, I have that like conundrum going on where 1517 01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,000 Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, I gotta film this project, but if 1518 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,280 Speaker 1: that deer comes close enough, I really want to kill him. 1519 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,360 Speaker 1: He ended up starting to chase a dough at me, 1520 01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:54,760 Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know if any of 1521 01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,000 Speaker 1: this footage turned out or not, but he got to 1522 01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:01,880 Speaker 1: thirty nine yards, turned and stopped, turnaround, ran away, And 1523 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,559 Speaker 1: by the time that deer was out of my life, 1524 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,800 Speaker 1: I had settled on like I think he's a just 1525 01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:13,080 Speaker 1: unbelievable And so I was sitting there thinking I legitimately 1526 01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:19,639 Speaker 1: had three amazing bucks within shooting range and I'm going 1527 01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,080 Speaker 1: back to the cabin with no filled tags, nothing but 1528 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,800 Speaker 1: like a whole lot of self doubt and a whole 1529 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,600 Speaker 1: lot of stupid moves. And it was just a wild 1530 01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,200 Speaker 1: It was a wild day for me, Like I was. 1531 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,760 Speaker 1: I was spent by the end of that day. When 1532 01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,599 Speaker 1: the last time that either one of you missed a deer, 1533 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,240 Speaker 1: I think I missed one every year. I don't know. Um, 1534 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,960 Speaker 1: I hadn't missed one this year, but probably last year 1535 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,760 Speaker 1: or two years ago. Yeah, I missed. I missed my 1536 01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,320 Speaker 1: target buck in Michigan last year. Try to slip into 1537 01:14:53,320 --> 01:15:01,200 Speaker 1: the hole that I shouldn't have. So we have a pattern, Tony, 1538 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,960 Speaker 1: That's what we're trying to saying. I think I think 1539 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:05,760 Speaker 1: we have Spencer giving us a little bit too much 1540 01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:12,080 Speaker 1: credit here. But you're good for the rest of the season. 1541 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,080 Speaker 1: Then that means no, uh no more missed encounters or 1542 01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:19,600 Speaker 1: or miss shots. Then for that must be it. I 1543 01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,120 Speaker 1: like that. I like that. So Tony, you were spent, 1544 01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,120 Speaker 1: you were frustrated. So it sounds like coming out of 1545 01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,240 Speaker 1: that day, it wasn't like, oh man, I'm right in 1546 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,320 Speaker 1: the action. I had three close calls, this is gonna happen. 1547 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,360 Speaker 1: It was probably more like, oh man, I had three 1548 01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,120 Speaker 1: close calls and I couldn't capitalize. I suck? Was it? That? 1549 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:36,840 Speaker 1: Was that where you were at? By the time day 1550 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,960 Speaker 1: six rolled around, I was a little bit of both. 1551 01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,240 Speaker 1: I knew, you know that big one I spooked in 1552 01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,920 Speaker 1: the morning. He wasn't coming back unless unless a dope 1553 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,880 Speaker 1: brought him in, and then you know, you miss one year, 1554 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,439 Speaker 1: Like I'm probably not gonna have a chance at that 1555 01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,839 Speaker 1: dear again. And so I had a ton of confidence 1556 01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,320 Speaker 1: in that pond spot, with the way it laid out 1557 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,040 Speaker 1: and the way that the weather was going to break 1558 01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,120 Speaker 1: for me. But you also sit there and you go, 1559 01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, you don't get that many days like that 1560 01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,479 Speaker 1: as a bowl hunter. I mean, it's just you know 1561 01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,240 Speaker 1: when it when it when it breaks like that, and 1562 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,559 Speaker 1: you don't you don't capitalize, you know, I mean, it 1563 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,760 Speaker 1: might be years before something like that happens again. And 1564 01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,240 Speaker 1: so I had that in the back of my mind. 1565 01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,240 Speaker 1: But I was also like, I know, I've got a 1566 01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,559 Speaker 1: couple of days left. I'm going all day on that water, 1567 01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,680 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hope those sixty degree temperatures bring a 1568 01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:29,120 Speaker 1: buck to me. All right, bring us home. Then give 1569 01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,080 Speaker 1: me a little bit more on why you're still confident 1570 01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,960 Speaker 1: with this water thing, because if people haven't been following you, 1571 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,880 Speaker 1: maybe they aren't as familiar with the water game at 1572 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,000 Speaker 1: this time of year. Now, Hopefully people have been listening 1573 01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,720 Speaker 1: to foundations, Hopefully people know this perspective, but just in 1574 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,479 Speaker 1: case they don't, give us a little bit more detail 1575 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,840 Speaker 1: on why this was something you were really willing to 1576 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,880 Speaker 1: bet the rest of your trip on Uh, you know, 1577 01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,559 Speaker 1: when you're when you're looking at November six, then it's 1578 01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,799 Speaker 1: gonna be sixty two, sixty three degrees. I mean, the ruts, 1579 01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,720 Speaker 1: the ruts gonna happen, like those deer are gonna chase uh, 1580 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,599 Speaker 1: those doors are gonna get thirsty, the bucks are gonna 1581 01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,519 Speaker 1: get thirsty. And I just felt like, you know, obviously 1582 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,960 Speaker 1: we had we had somewhat of a limited water source. 1583 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,800 Speaker 1: I think there was more water around than I originally thought, 1584 01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,559 Speaker 1: but it was it was a good tucked into the 1585 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:17,080 Speaker 1: cover pond, which I love, and we just had a 1586 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,960 Speaker 1: lot of good timber and a lot of good cover 1587 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,360 Speaker 1: around it, and really good winds and really good access. 1588 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,439 Speaker 1: And so it's set up. It's honestly one of the 1589 01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,479 Speaker 1: coolest stands I've ever hung in my life. You sit 1590 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,920 Speaker 1: there and you look around, You're like it could happen 1591 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,360 Speaker 1: from anywhere here at any time. And so I knew, 1592 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, pulling an all day sit when by one 1593 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:37,840 Speaker 1: or two o'clock in the afternoon we were going to 1594 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,240 Speaker 1: be bumping into kind of beach weather that you know, 1595 01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,120 Speaker 1: there was a good chance somebody that I was interested 1596 01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,519 Speaker 1: in was going to come in and I'll tell you 1597 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:48,320 Speaker 1: what you know. I went in there the next morning 1598 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,519 Speaker 1: and parked parked by truck in a spot where I 1599 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,200 Speaker 1: was like, no deer is ever going to know you're here. 1600 01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,479 Speaker 1: And I got out of my truck, out my stuff. Friday, 1601 01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,800 Speaker 1: walking up the road with the cameraman, jumped a deer 1602 01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,680 Speaker 1: in the ditch. I heard it running and I was like, man, 1603 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,120 Speaker 1: that did not sound like a little dough. Got a 1604 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,400 Speaker 1: little farther in, jumped that deer again, and I'm like, well, 1605 01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:10,200 Speaker 1: there's one deer we'll never see, and climbed into the stand. 1606 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:11,960 Speaker 1: Even before it was first light, I could hear a 1607 01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,040 Speaker 1: buck chasing and grunting. And then as soon as it 1608 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:16,640 Speaker 1: got light out, I looked up on the hill. Here 1609 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,559 Speaker 1: comes this great buck walking out. I thought it was 1610 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,080 Speaker 1: the eight point where I missed the night before, but 1611 01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,280 Speaker 1: when I actually saw the footage, it was a different 1612 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,559 Speaker 1: bucket was a ten pointer, and he came in and 1613 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,040 Speaker 1: stopped at thirty three yards, and I tried to call 1614 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,720 Speaker 1: him down the hill because he looked like he wasn't 1615 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,600 Speaker 1: gonna come down the hill. I didn't know he was 1616 01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,920 Speaker 1: that close until he sat there for a long time, 1617 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,240 Speaker 1: and then I arranged him. I'm like, I just need 1618 01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,160 Speaker 1: to shoot him now, but I was already pinned down, 1619 01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,880 Speaker 1: and it was It was not my finest moment, but 1620 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,160 Speaker 1: that deer ended up walking off and coming into water 1621 01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,600 Speaker 1: in a different way. But I mean, we started the 1622 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,640 Speaker 1: morning right away covered in action, and then it was 1623 01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:54,400 Speaker 1: little bucks and started getting hotter, and we had a 1624 01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,760 Speaker 1: weird situation there where right away early morning was good, 1625 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,720 Speaker 1: what you'd expect. I saw one buck chase up on 1626 01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,960 Speaker 1: the hill and then it got it died for a 1627 01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,240 Speaker 1: couple hours, and had a random doing a fawn come 1628 01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:11,360 Speaker 1: into water. And then at like noon, when you know, 1629 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,240 Speaker 1: you kind of think, like this is not gonna happen. 1630 01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,040 Speaker 1: I had never killed a buck in the mid day 1631 01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,120 Speaker 1: of my life, Like I've killed him up until about 1632 01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,320 Speaker 1: maybe eleven in the morning and then maybe starting at 1633 01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,439 Speaker 1: like two in the afternoon. But I'm like, I've never 1634 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:25,080 Speaker 1: killed that lunch shift buck. But we started seeing deer 1635 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:29,479 Speaker 1: movement around us and had some fawns loan fawns come 1636 01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,920 Speaker 1: in and drank. At like twelve thirty, I looked up 1637 01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,280 Speaker 1: on the hill and way up toward that betting knob 1638 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,160 Speaker 1: as far as I could see in the woods. I 1639 01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,559 Speaker 1: saw a nice buck cruising and I said, if that 1640 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,719 Speaker 1: deer comes down and gives me a shot, I'm gonna 1641 01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,200 Speaker 1: shoot that deer. And he ended up working his way 1642 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,680 Speaker 1: all the way down and going instead of going to 1643 01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,160 Speaker 1: water where I thought he was, he saw those fawns 1644 01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:54,080 Speaker 1: and switched and ended up I just stopped him just 1645 01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,080 Speaker 1: before he got out of my life and ended up 1646 01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,880 Speaker 1: getting a shot in him. And it worked out. And 1647 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:00,640 Speaker 1: that was one o'clock in the af for noon. So 1648 01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,519 Speaker 1: the confidence in that spot paid off. It just took 1649 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:07,400 Speaker 1: a lot. It took a while. So so what's the 1650 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,559 Speaker 1: takeaway there when you when you look back at that hunt? 1651 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,040 Speaker 1: Was it what was the key? Do you think? Was 1652 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,680 Speaker 1: it that you just had the faith and stuck it 1653 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,880 Speaker 1: out all day? Was it something else? I mean it's 1654 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,559 Speaker 1: partially that, but it's partially just given yourself as much 1655 01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,519 Speaker 1: to work with as possible. You know, you think about 1656 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,360 Speaker 1: we kind of distill the rut hunting down into like 1657 01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:31,360 Speaker 1: get on a funnel and it's gonna be amazing, or 1658 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,320 Speaker 1: get down windo that dough betting area and it's gonna 1659 01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,400 Speaker 1: be amazing. And I look at it and go, sure, 1660 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,160 Speaker 1: like that's a good starting point. But what if you 1661 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:41,879 Speaker 1: have a funnel next to water within you know, seeing distance, 1662 01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,560 Speaker 1: hearing distance of the best betting area on the property. 1663 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,320 Speaker 1: But if you start building those things in there, it's 1664 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,519 Speaker 1: easier to sit when you believe like there's multiple reasons 1665 01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,280 Speaker 1: for a deer to come here, you know, and a 1666 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:53,680 Speaker 1: lot and a lot of times we do you know, 1667 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,880 Speaker 1: the destination food source thing or the betting area thing, 1668 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,040 Speaker 1: and those are good. But if you can tack a 1669 01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:00,679 Speaker 1: few more things that are work going on in your favor, 1670 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,040 Speaker 1: like that that spot I killed that Minnesota buck. If 1671 01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,400 Speaker 1: that was just one waterway going through, that would be 1672 01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,320 Speaker 1: a good spot during the rut. But because it splits 1673 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,919 Speaker 1: and it and it attaches that property to other properties, 1674 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,360 Speaker 1: we can't hunt and other places where you know, people 1675 01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,800 Speaker 1: are they're trying to kill big bucks, and like it's 1676 01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,960 Speaker 1: feeding that one little hub that you're sitting in. Now 1677 01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,519 Speaker 1: you've just increased your odds instead of just maybe they'll 1678 01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,080 Speaker 1: come from this way, maybe they'll come from that way. 1679 01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,320 Speaker 1: Now you're like, well, or they could come from down there, 1680 01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,559 Speaker 1: or they could come from behind me. And this pond 1681 01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,800 Speaker 1: was like that, like it had it had all of 1682 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,280 Speaker 1: those things going forward as far as terrain, it had 1683 01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,280 Speaker 1: water and it had bedding, and it was all lumped 1684 01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,800 Speaker 1: into one spot. And when you know that and you 1685 01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,840 Speaker 1: believe that, it's so much easier to put in those 1686 01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:48,040 Speaker 1: hours because it's just like somebody's coming, you know. Yeah. 1687 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,760 Speaker 1: I love those spots where you can stack, where you 1688 01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,320 Speaker 1: stack all the different features and all the other attractive 1689 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,519 Speaker 1: points and you get those those ven diagram spots where 1690 01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,840 Speaker 1: they all meet and and they skyrockets are offense. Makes 1691 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:06,599 Speaker 1: it makes such a difference just the mental side of things. Um, 1692 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,360 Speaker 1: big time spencer, what about you when you look back 1693 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:13,160 Speaker 1: at your success and your rut? Uh, what were your 1694 01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,160 Speaker 1: big takeaway is? Was there anything that stood out for 1695 01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:16,960 Speaker 1: you that you're gonna take with you from here until 1696 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,479 Speaker 1: next year and you're always gonna keep in your back 1697 01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,840 Speaker 1: pocket as a lesson or something you can point to. Yeah, 1698 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,519 Speaker 1: I think, Uh, the big thing, Like both of my 1699 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,160 Speaker 1: successes happened on private property where I was a total 1700 01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,320 Speaker 1: stranger to the landowner and either like wrote them a 1701 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,240 Speaker 1: letter or might knocked on their door and talk to 1702 01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,599 Speaker 1: him and ended up getting permission. Um. And it's just 1703 01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,920 Speaker 1: like a thing that's so much easier said than done. 1704 01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,439 Speaker 1: Though there's this sort of thing that's happening right now 1705 01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:48,360 Speaker 1: with gen Z that they've they've made sexy over the 1706 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,520 Speaker 1: last couple of years where they do like rejection therapy, 1707 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,360 Speaker 1: where they put themselves through something that is like a 1708 01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,680 Speaker 1: really uncomfortable situation where they're most likely going to get 1709 01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,599 Speaker 1: told no, and they do it like every day, and 1710 01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,679 Speaker 1: then it makes the more mundane things seem a lot easier. 1711 01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,679 Speaker 1: So an example might be like they would go into 1712 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:10,200 Speaker 1: uh A grocery store and they ask somebody if they 1713 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,360 Speaker 1: can speak over the intercom or something like that. Of 1714 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:14,599 Speaker 1: course they're gonna get told now. But if you do 1715 01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,080 Speaker 1: that or some variation of that a lot, then it 1716 01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:22,280 Speaker 1: makes the more mundane things like um, asking for a 1717 01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,479 Speaker 1: day off at work, or asking someone you're attracted to 1718 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:26,840 Speaker 1: if they want to get a drink, It makes that 1719 01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,040 Speaker 1: kind of thing seem way easier, right, And so it 1720 01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,000 Speaker 1: used to take like every bit of courage I had 1721 01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,920 Speaker 1: to go ask a landowner for hunting permission in college, 1722 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,280 Speaker 1: I'd like have to psych myself out to just go 1723 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,000 Speaker 1: knock on a couple doors, and then I would I 1724 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,639 Speaker 1: would get told. Though now at this point I've done 1725 01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,400 Speaker 1: it hundreds of times over and I've I've learned, just 1726 01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,080 Speaker 1: like this real simple thing that the worst thing that's 1727 01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,280 Speaker 1: gonna happen is I get told now, and and that's 1728 01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,200 Speaker 1: not a big deal. Um. So I've I've just gotten 1729 01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,640 Speaker 1: used to like getting rejection through asking landowners for hunting permission. 1730 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,320 Speaker 1: But it makes it so much easier. So someone who's 1731 01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,000 Speaker 1: like not stoked on the properties they have access to 1732 01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,920 Speaker 1: or thrilled about, you know, the public land in their area. 1733 01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:07,120 Speaker 1: And of course it is the thing that's easier said 1734 01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,400 Speaker 1: than done in a place where white tails are an afterthought. 1735 01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,240 Speaker 1: In the West, where I'm at, it's probably is gonna 1736 01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:17,120 Speaker 1: have the same success and to stay like Michigan or Indiana. Um, 1737 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,880 Speaker 1: but like, just just go seek out permissions, like write 1738 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,479 Speaker 1: some letters, knock on doors. The worst thing that's gonna 1739 01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,320 Speaker 1: happen is now. And the more you do it, the 1740 01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,640 Speaker 1: easier it's gonna get to the point where I have 1741 01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,360 Speaker 1: an unreasonable confidence that I can roll into a state 1742 01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,920 Speaker 1: like Wyoming and and find some permission at two pm 1743 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,479 Speaker 1: and then kill a deer at five pm. Yeah, I 1744 01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,559 Speaker 1: love that. I just have to disagree with one thing 1745 01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,120 Speaker 1: I always used to agree with you, and I used 1746 01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,000 Speaker 1: to say the same thing, that that the worst thing 1747 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,160 Speaker 1: that can happen is that you'll get a no. That 1748 01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,200 Speaker 1: was always that was always the line I told myself, 1749 01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:49,599 Speaker 1: The worst thing it can happen is that it will 1750 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,559 Speaker 1: stay in because it's already a note to start with, right, 1751 01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,679 Speaker 1: But that all changed this year when I had knocked 1752 01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,320 Speaker 1: on the door for permission and got the caught the 1753 01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,280 Speaker 1: cops called on me, So you know it could be 1754 01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:03,280 Speaker 1: a little bit worse. Man. Yeah, that's that's an extreme 1755 01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,640 Speaker 1: I haven't experienced quite yet. Yeah, that'll that'll be a 1756 01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,000 Speaker 1: podcast for a future episode down the road. And that 1757 01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,160 Speaker 1: was that wasn't This is technically a little different because 1758 01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't asking for hunting permission. I was asking for 1759 01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:18,400 Speaker 1: tracking permission. Um so, slightly different, although seemingly a smaller request. 1760 01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:22,320 Speaker 1: Um So, I gotta love those suburbs of Washington, d c. 1761 01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,879 Speaker 1: Um different kind of different. I think points still remains 1762 01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,760 Speaker 1: just like, put yourself out there. Um, I think you'll 1763 01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:33,320 Speaker 1: be surprised at how many folks just like don't get 1764 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,479 Speaker 1: asked for hunting permission on their property. And you may 1765 01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,000 Speaker 1: be not the first, but the first person in a 1766 01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,880 Speaker 1: couple of years and Uh, there's there's some amount of 1767 01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,120 Speaker 1: charisma you had that the last four people that asked didn't. 1768 01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:46,719 Speaker 1: And now you got a new five acre spot to hunt, 1769 01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,160 Speaker 1: and it'll be like a thing that you, you know, 1770 01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,040 Speaker 1: may have relationship now for the next decade and in 1771 01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,280 Speaker 1: a new place to go look for white tails. Yeah, 1772 01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:58,240 Speaker 1: totally totally worth taking the shot for sure. Uh. Well, guys, 1773 01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate taking the time to recap this to share, 1774 01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,000 Speaker 1: you know, your thoughts and your lessons learned. And I'm 1775 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,760 Speaker 1: glad you guys did well. You carried the show. Thank 1776 01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,439 Speaker 1: you for getting four kills for our week in November. 1777 01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,120 Speaker 1: Uh Clay managed one there at the end that I'm 1778 01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,120 Speaker 1: sure we'll get to discuss at some point. And uh, 1779 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,719 Speaker 1: you know you're your friendly host the Wired Hunt podcast 1780 01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:21,200 Speaker 1: here I blanked. So glad you guys supported me and 1781 01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:26,840 Speaker 1: carried me through. Uh. Any last thoughts, any last things 1782 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,840 Speaker 1: you want to make sure people look for. Make sure 1783 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,360 Speaker 1: check out the Mediator YouTube channel. Folks should be out 1784 01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,960 Speaker 1: this week. Uh it's either out today or was out 1785 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,880 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. There's I'm a little confused 1786 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,320 Speaker 1: about when it's launching. It's gonna be out there this week. 1787 01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,599 Speaker 1: At some point. The first episode of the show will 1788 01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:46,080 Speaker 1: be November six, and then because we hunted for seven 1789 01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:50,040 Speaker 1: days or seven episodes, so seven weeks of content every Tuesday, 1790 01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,240 Speaker 1: they's gonna be coming out and by the series should 1791 01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,640 Speaker 1: be wrapped. I'm glad you know what's going on. I 1792 01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,320 Speaker 1: thought it was coming out Thursday. So either way, by 1793 01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,360 Speaker 1: the time this episode drops, the show will be available. Yeah, 1794 01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,639 Speaker 1: that's all that matters. Well, it's gonna be good stuff, guys. 1795 01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,439 Speaker 1: I've seen the first episode. It's strong, it's fun, and uh, 1796 01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:09,759 Speaker 1: I think people are gonna enjoy it. So thank you Tony, 1797 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,679 Speaker 1: thank you Spencer, and let's put a bowl on this one, 1798 01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,960 Speaker 1: all right, and that's a rap. Thanks for listening. Appreciate 1799 01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,599 Speaker 1: you joining on this one. Like Spencer said, be sure 1800 01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,840 Speaker 1: to check out episode one of one weekend November on 1801 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,240 Speaker 1: the Meat Eater YouTube channel. I hope you enjoy it, 1802 01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,200 Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired.