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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: The Super Bowl is set. What a broadcast, what a game,

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Speaker 1: What an unbelievable journey for Sam Darnold. We are live

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Speaker 1: in Chicago. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however

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Speaker 1: you may be listening. Thanks for making us a lot

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Speaker 1: of choices out there part of our day. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy, uh slinging Sammy d in a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Say that ten times, Say it one hundred times. Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnald proved two things. Number One, everybody takes a different path.

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Speaker 1: Some kids get great parents, some kids get the New

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Speaker 1: York Chips. It just takes longer for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: And the second thing, if you believe in yourself, don't

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Speaker 1: listen to the noise, don't listen to the doubters. Donald

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Speaker 1: never stopped believing in himself, and until that game officially ended,

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Speaker 1: ninety percent of people in this country sports fan still

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Speaker 1: didn't think Sam Donald Super Bowl sounded right. But he's

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Speaker 1: a perfect fit for this franchise. He's young, he's athletic,

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Speaker 1: he takes swings, he's a risk taker. He's tough, playing

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Speaker 1: with an oblique where it hurt on every throw. Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnald is the Seahawks a little bit at times, reckless,

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Speaker 1: super talented, athletic. Tom Brady had a great way of

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Speaker 1: describing Donald. He's more explosive than surgical. And that's what

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Speaker 1: I would say about the Seahawks. Two exceptional teams yesterday

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Speaker 1: and two exceptional quarterbacks, but maybe most impressive on the

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Speaker 1: biggest down in football. Third down got about fifteen to

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Speaker 1: those a game, and Matt Stafford was unbelievable yesterday, But

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Speaker 1: on third it wasn't close. Darnald had one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty two passer rating six for nine, brilliant. Maybe he's

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Speaker 1: not surgical. He was on third down and Stafford was

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Speaker 1: zero for six. Most impressive though to me, and everybody

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Speaker 1: knew this in the locker room in Seattle. They were

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Speaker 1: missing Zach Charbonne had good running back and the Rams

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Speaker 1: defensive front is a lot more talented than the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: offensive line. So Darnald was gonna have to carry the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks yesterday, and that's exactly what he did beyond third

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Speaker 1: down against a strong pass rush and Chris Shula considered

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Speaker 1: one of the smart defense coordinators in football, talent everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Sam threw for three hundred and forty six yards, had

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty eight passer rating was twenty five

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Speaker 1: no turnovers. Sam isn't too reckless. Sam at times is

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Speaker 1: more explosive and dynamic than surgical. His journey has a

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Speaker 1: little Christopher Columbus to it. Five teams, five coaches, five

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Speaker 1: six seven coordinators, a bunch of different parts of the country,

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Speaker 1: and he's still only twenty eight years old. The general

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Speaker 1: manager that decided to go get him was John Snyder.

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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, I was testing John Snyder,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks GM. He said, God, I love Sam. Why

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Speaker 1: do people just bash him so much? And the answer,

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Speaker 1: of course, is it's so much easier to pile on.

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Speaker 1: That's what the internet is right. It's just so much

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Speaker 1: easier to join the avalanche and pile on people and

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Speaker 1: quit on people. It's much harder to grab a shovel

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Speaker 1: and support people who had a bumpy first few years

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Speaker 3: And that was Darnald.

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Speaker 1: Two reckless became three straight games with no turnovers. But

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Speaker 1: until it was over, nobody believed it was possible. And

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Speaker 1: how poetic is it that he did it. He had

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Speaker 1: the best game of his career against the one team

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Speaker 1: that had his number and the one defensive coordinator. Again,

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Speaker 1: say it ten times, say it one hundred times, slinging

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnald is going to a Super Bowl and will

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Speaker 1: be a favorite in the Super Bowl. Here's his head coach.

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Speaker 4: After can't talk about the game, They'll talking about our quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he just shut a lot of people up tonight.

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Speaker 4: So I'm really happy for him. Every time they went

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Speaker 4: The guy barely practiced all week. You know, I'm just

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to be a part of this team.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 6: This group and this coaching staff is just you know,

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Speaker 6: I'm really happy to be here, happy to be in

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Speaker 6: this position. I'm just going to continue to do the

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Speaker 1: For the record, let's go back to the draft class

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Speaker 1: that Sam Darnald was involved in. It included Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: is the number one pick, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnald from this point forward, at least on our show,

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen will be known not as the Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: draft class, as the Sam Darnald draft class. The first

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Speaker 1: guy to get to a Super Bowl. When you look

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Speaker 1: you look at this young roster, he's not going anywhere

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Now, let's go to the JV game.

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Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of Moms more than mother Nature.

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Speaker 1: But despite the unplayable blizzard in the second half in Denver,

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Speaker 1: New England was the better team and they have been

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Speaker 1: really all year. They never lost a road game, and

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Speaker 1: that's because coaching travels, soda is toughness and defense.

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Speaker 3: They didn't lose a road game.

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Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel's teams yesterday in a blizzard, one penalty didn't

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Speaker 1: have a turnover, excellent on third down and key spots

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Speaker 1: in absolutely ridiculous weather. These teams Seattle and New England

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Speaker 1: are actually very similar quarterbacks and Drake May and Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold that move well and love to attack downfield. No

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Speaker 1: dink and dunk guys. Here to excellent defensive head coaches

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Speaker 1: top five defenses, both unbelievably good on the road, but

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Speaker 1: also so much of the NFL. His ownership, Robert Kraft

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Speaker 1: had to make two really tough decisions. He had to

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Speaker 1: fire Bill Belichick, considered the great greatest football coach of

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Speaker 1: had to fire girod. Mayo after one year. That's rough.

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Speaker 1: You have to admit you're wrong, and he did. And

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't do that, he doesn't get Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 1: Vrabel talked about Drake May as quarterback in August. Camp

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Speaker 1: telling Drake May in August, leadership is every day, not

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Speaker 1: just today, Drake May against excellent defenses. It's the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: it's the Texans, it's the Broncos, and now he'll face

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Speaker 1: another in Seattle. But at least there'll be no blizzard,

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Speaker 1: and it'll be on a neutral field. New England was

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Speaker 1: the better team. I don't want to hear about whether

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Speaker 1: they were the better football team. No turnovers, one penalty,

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Speaker 7: I can't tell you how proud I am to be

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Speaker 7: associated with these guys and this organization. I want to

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Speaker 7: thank Robert and Jonathan. Love our quarterback. I love our

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Speaker 3: I'm a lucky head coach.

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Speaker 1: Matt hassel Beck and Drew Brees both stop by today.

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Speaker 1: I don't want this to get lost on everybody. What

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Speaker 1: is that the eleventh Super Bowl for Robert Kraft? There

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Speaker 1: are four teams that have never four franchises never made

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. But it's really hard to do that.

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Speaker 1: Fire Bill Belichick looks easy now, but the line in

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Speaker 1: New England for years was in Bill we trust and

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Speaker 1: girod Mayol, and he had to move off him. And

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Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel took a year off coaching, sort of waiting

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Speaker 1: and waiting had multiple suitors, but he smartly chose the

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Speaker 1: place he knew and the place he trusted. That is

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Speaker 1: New England. I think it's a great super Bowl. And

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Speaker 1: I think the two teams for the record, the two

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Speaker 1: best road teams in the NFL. The New England Patriots

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Speaker 1: won the Seattle Seahawks. Two athletic, young, aggressive quarterbacks who

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Speaker 1: at home in crucial situations. Excellent defenses, defensive coaches. Finally

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Speaker 1: get back to making the Super Bowl. I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really good. There's one advantage and I'll

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Speaker 1: get to this later. There is one big advantage New

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Speaker 1: major advantage, and we'll talk about that after the break.

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Speaker 1: J Mac. Listen, the playoffs have been wild. For as

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Speaker 1: much as we talk about offense, oh many of these

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Speaker 1: In fact, I was like, I don't want that to

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Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl. I'm gonna go with New England.

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Speaker 1: I think New England's to play. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: better story. There are still I would argue about a

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Speaker 1: that one coast and the other coast, but these rosters,

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Speaker 1: the Rams have holes like Seattle doesn't have a hole.

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Speaker 3: They're all lines.

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Speaker 1: Not great, But I did think it held up pretty

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Speaker 1: well yesterday in crucial passing downs when you had to

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Speaker 5: No, the excellent job by Seattle. I thought the Rams

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Speaker 5: kind of gave him the game. I thought the Rams

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Speaker 5: were a better team yesterday, especially offensively. Stafford was a machine.

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Speaker 5: Didn't love the McVeigh call on fourth and four with

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Speaker 5: goal to win, and Seattle did a great job taking

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Speaker 5: But Colin, this New England Patriots team, come on, did

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Speaker 5: you see all the historic records they broke for futility

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Speaker 5: offensively in the playoffs? Well, like, this is the weakest offense,

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Speaker 5: well post season run.

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Speaker 1: Let's contextualize it. It's also the hardest run against best defenses,

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Speaker 1: though certainly so Houston was not great. Defense almost always

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Speaker 1: makes offense look uneven. So let's be honest. The Patriots

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Speaker 1: offense looked very good against mid average and bad defenses. Well,

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Speaker 1: when you face the Chargers in Jesse Minter and then

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Speaker 1: the Houston Texans, you know, guided by Demico Ryans, and

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Speaker 1: then you plan in a blizzard again. And for the record,

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Speaker 1: Denver's D line in the first half totally dominated New

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Speaker 1: England's O line. So I would be careful about saying

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Speaker 1: it's a bad offense. I think the AFC this year

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Speaker 1: better conference. And I think what we're gonna see is

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a reason Seattle should be favored, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, by about three and a half to four

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Speaker 5: I think it's up to five already in some spots. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think Seattle kind of kills them. Drake me through

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Speaker 5: for like eighty yards in the AFC Championship game. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean Jared Stidham had more than that.

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Speaker 5: I was just bitfuddled by this Patriots offensive.

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was right, Well I got it. I'll take

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I did not have Rams receiver Devonte Adams in my

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Speaker 9: That doesn't matter to me. I just come to work

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Speaker 10: But I can say this, there's not a person I've

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Speaker 10: It's also part of what inspires you in a lot

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Speaker 10: a little bit. But at the same time, there is

432
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Speaker 10: no doubt the Rams. Look, I hope Stafford keeps playing

433
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Speaker 10: for another three four years, you know, because I think that.

434
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Speaker 3: Team is built to ruin.

435
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

436
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Speaker 1: So Seattle was the second best road team in the league,

437
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: which is impressive because they're young. The best road team

438
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Speaker 1: was New England. So the two best road teams are

439
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Speaker 1: meeting in the Super Bowl. And I think it speaks

440
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Speaker 1: to certain things like coaching and intelligence. I think a

441
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Speaker 1: lot of things travel, like smart teams. It travels, but

442
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that don't necessarily travel, like

443
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Speaker 1: a vertical passing game. If you go into bad weather,

444
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Speaker 1: you can't take up with you. But what do you

445
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Speaker 1: think when you look at Seattle in New England's great

446
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Speaker 1: success on the road. It's unbelievable, Like, how did New

447
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: England didn't lose a road game this year? What does

448
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Speaker 1: it tell you about their team?

449
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Speaker 10: Well, let's let's start with New England. Look at the

450
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Speaker 10: John Mike Vrabel's done. Is is remarkable. You know, I

451
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Speaker 10: did have the chance to broadcast one of their games,

452
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Speaker 10: and I think what suck out to me was, Look,

453
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Speaker 10: I remember if Rabel as a player man, hard, nos, tough, love, confrontation,

454
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Speaker 10: like he was just one of those players. Man, I

455
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 10: see a side to him. I don't want to say

456
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Speaker 10: like a softer side, because that's not the way to

457
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Speaker 10: say it, but it's a side of him that has

458
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 10: become such an unbelievable like teacher and motivator of men,

459
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Speaker 10: but in a way that is like so caring and thoughtful,

460
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Speaker 10: but also just so wrapped up in like identity and

461
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 10: who we are and what our standard is, and like

462
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Speaker 10: he uses the term protect protector identity every time we

463
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Speaker 10: step on the field, and so to me, that's the

464
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Speaker 10: epitome of what they've.

465
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Speaker 3: Done by going on the road.

466
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Speaker 10: In a lot of cases, that's protecting your identity at

467
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Speaker 10: home is a lot easier then all of a sudden

468
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Speaker 10: You go on the road in a hustle environment with

469
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Speaker 10: different circumstances and things that are out of your control,

470
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Speaker 10: and at times you kind of lose track of that.

471
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Speaker 10: And I think, just like that Madra for him and

472
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Speaker 10: his team, like I see that, Yes, he's got a

473
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Speaker 10: great quarterback who's super composed, who actually reminds me a

474
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Speaker 10: lot of Matt Stafford, just and his purity of throwing

475
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Speaker 10: the ball and his composure and all those things. I

476
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Speaker 10: wouldn't say again, I don't want this to come across

477
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Speaker 10: the long way. I don't see New England it's just

478
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 10: a team full of superstars. I see them as a

479
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 10: team who is just everyone has embraced their role in

480
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 10: helping for that group to be successful, and they're just

481
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 10: kind of have this gritty, find a way mentality. Man Seattle,

482
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Speaker 10: on the other hand, like maybe that's a team that

483
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Speaker 10: just flew under the radar for a bit and coach

484
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 10: McDonald has done a phenomenal job with those guys, and

485
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Speaker 10: just that you know, Sam Donold come in and just

486
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 10: kind of obviously nobody knew what to expect with JSN

487
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 10: and just a phenomenal year that he had. But I

488
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 10: meant little things like going out and getting Rashishi head.

489
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Speaker 10: I mean, you can't tell me the fact that wasn't

490
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Speaker 10: an impact player for them down the stretch. They win

491
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Speaker 10: the Rams game in the regular season because of him.

492
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Speaker 3: He's that's the.

493
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 10: Tone early in the playoffs with that that kickoff return

494
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 10: against the Niners, made a big play early on in

495
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 10: the game yesterday, the deep ball from Sam. So like

496
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Speaker 10: I just said, I look at some of the super

497
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 10: like the star power they have on that team, but

498
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 10: how those guys were acquired and brought in and it

499
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 10: was just masterful. It was masterful. And then the defensively,

500
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 10: I just think they they feel like they're just going

501
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 10: to come in and beat you up.

502
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they and by the way they do, they just

504
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: they are physical and relentless. So you get two weeks

505
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: before a Super Bowl, now, when you got to one,

506
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: you've been around the block. You know, you were you know,

507
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: Drake may is a puppy, He's a kid. Sam's gotten

508
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: beat up a little bit by the league, So I

509
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: don't think it'll change much. But the Seahawks are very

510
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: very young as a team. So you know, you tell

511
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: me you don't want paralysis by analysis. You want to

512
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: take a deep breath, you want to play your same game,

513
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: but it's the biggest game of your life. It is

514
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: an unbelievable pressure. Do you look back at the two

515
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: weeks before the Super Bowl fondly or were you a

516
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: bit of a nervous wreck until the whistle until the kickoff?

517
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 7: Yeah?

518
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 10: I mean, look, a nervous wreck from the perspective, I'm

519
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 10: kind of that way throughout the week of preparation, no

520
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 10: matter what game it is, just because you just take

521
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 10: so much pride in.

522
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Speaker 3: What you're doing.

523
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Speaker 10: You want to go out there and play well for

524
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 10: your team. But I would say this was kind of

525
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 10: interesting maybe about our Super Bowl run.

526
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Speaker 3: Look, you remember we played the Indianapolis Colts.

527
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Speaker 10: You know, on paper, that was the best team in football,

528
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 10: maybe one of the best teams ever, right, And so

529
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Speaker 10: I think all the talk was in and around them,

530
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Speaker 10: and I think we kind of felt like we were

531
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Speaker 10: flying under the radar a little bit. In fact, like

532
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 10: I think when the Super Bowl line opened up on

533
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 10: our game it was Colts by seven or seven and

534
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 10: a half.

535
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: It was something crazy.

536
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Speaker 10: And I just remember one of our early team meetings,

537
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 10: Sean Payton getting up there and being like, here's the

538
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 10: way Vegas sees this, here's the way the fans see us.

539
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 10: Like everybody thinks we got no chance. I'm telling you

540
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 10: right now, we are the better team. So like from

541
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 10: the very beginning, we truly felt like we were the

542
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 10: better team. Now we're going to go out there and

543
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 10: play aggressive and pull out all the stops. Hence the

544
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 10: onside kicked open up the second half and all that stuff.

545
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 10: But I think so much of it is creating this

546
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 10: us against the world mentality, and nobody knows until what

547
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 10: we're going to show him here, you know, on game

548
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 10: day and just feeling like you're just you know, kind

549
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 10: of circling the wagons, and you know, nobody's giving us

550
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 10: a shot here, creating a little bit of that age, you.

551
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Speaker 3: Know, to your team going into it. Yeah.

552
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Speaker 1: No, I said this earlier. I said New England Vrabel

553
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: is going to pounce on that. They're already a five

554
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: point dog. I said, I guarantee us he is going

555
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: to play every SoundBite and show him every clip.

556
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Speaker 3: So that is an advantage.

557
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, it's funny the NFL is

558
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 1: so cyclical, it's an offensive league. But now we've got

559
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: two defensive coaches in and Jesse got the Ravens game,

560
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen doesn't have a coach. So this is

561
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Speaker 1: the first time since Belichick got to a Super Bowl

562
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Speaker 1: that we have defensive guys in. But I think the

563
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: league is cyclical, Like we were told three years ago

564
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: running games didn't matter. Well, I just watched Walker and

565
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: Kyron Williams and Blake horm I'm like, I'm sorry, but

566
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: running backs were unbelievably there yesterday. I want to ask

567
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: you Mike McCarthy to the Steelers offensive coach. I think

568
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: he'll make the sensibility will matter. Josh Allen, I think

569
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Speaker 1: I would like Brian Dabole. But I think it is

570
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Speaker 1: interesting that Mike McDonald and Vrabel are defensive guys, but

571
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Speaker 1: they you can feel their love for their young quarterbacks.

572
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Speaker 1: And I'm not anti defensive coach, but there is something

573
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Speaker 1: to be said about getting offense understanding the sensibility. Are

574
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Speaker 1: you surprised Vrabel and McDonald they just seem to get

575
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Speaker 1: their quarterbacks and some defensive coaches Drew, I just don't

576
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: feel like that they're old school, they won't go for it.

577
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels like I got these two

578
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: defensive coaches did almost think like offensive guys.

579
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Speaker 3: Does that make sense, Well, that's.

580
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Speaker 10: Because they That's because they know what they're going up

581
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 10: against every time they step on the field and how

582
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 10: they're trying to be attacked.

583
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: This is what I say about those two guys.

584
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Speaker 10: In this day and age, more so than ever, with

585
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 10: head coaches, it's about being a great CEO. It's about

586
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 10: going out and getting coaches on both sides of the ball,

587
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 10: on offense and defense that you trust to implement a system.

588
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 10: And then you trust the general manager in working collaboratly

589
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 10: collaboratively with him to go get the.

590
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: Personnel that fits the systems.

591
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 10: But in reacity, then your role as that head coach

592
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 10: and as that CEO as you manage your staff, but you,

593
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 10: more so than ever, are implementing what you feel like

594
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 10: are the keys to victory and the mindset that it

595
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 10: takes to win. But more importantly, to adhere to a

596
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 10: standard that, more so than ever now is the role

597
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 10: and job of the head coach. You set the standard,

598
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 10: you hold everyone accountable to the standard. And so while

599
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 10: you may skew one direction or the other, like hey,

600
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 10: I came from the offensive side of the ball or

601
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 10: I came from the defensive side of the ball, and

602
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 10: yes you may have contributions schematically to those sides of

603
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 10: the ball. In reality, you are just now I am

604
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 10: managing the game. I'm managing my team. I'm making sure

605
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 10: these guys are ready to play right, that they have

606
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 10: the right mindset, Like that is what it's all about.

607
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 10: And I can't think of two better guys that are

608
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 10: coaching in this game with Mike McDonald and Mike Vrabel

609
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 10: that like, just embody that mentality.

610
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Speaker 1: Finally, minute left. I didn't bother me on McVeigh going

611
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: ford and forth four or Sean Payton going for it.

612
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: Didn't love Sean going for it? Did it? How did

613
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: it land for you?

614
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 10: Well, it's hindsight's right twenty twenty, But you know, the

615
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 10: Denver game, I think at that point, to take the

616
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 10: point and go up two possessions, I think it's pretty significant.

617
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: Right of course, you know it's fourth and one. You

618
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: feel pretty good.

619
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 10: Now, Look have they tried to pound it, you know

620
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 10: and just get stuffed and you're like, ah, you know,

621
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 10: we we weren't good enough to get it. You know,

622
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 10: you try to pull out a little trickery with the

623
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 10: with the bootleg. But nonetheless, I think going up to

624
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 10: possessions in a game like that with a young quarterback

625
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 10: where you just all of a sudden shift the pressure

626
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 10: to the other side. Oh, by the way, you know,

627
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 10: as good as Drake mays Ben, he's still a young quarterback.

628
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 10: That's still a young you know. So I played at home.

629
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Speaker 10: Maybe take the points there. I mean, look with McVeigh,

630
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 10: you know you're rolling, and you got Matthew Safford, right,

631
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 10: and you got all these weapons.

632
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: You know, right.

633
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think I tend to feel like in those

634
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 10: types of games, you take points.

635
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 3: You take the points.

636
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I get I get it. I think there's

637
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: some analytics. I buy some I don't I in these

638
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: games with the best defenses, I like points. Drew brings

639
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: you great today as all as twenty seasons. Going to

640
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: be a Hall of Famer. He's eligible for the Hall

641
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: of Fame this year. Can't wait, Drew Brees, great stuff.

642
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: Thanks thanks, Drew pel all right, good seeing you eligible

643
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: this year for the Hall of Fame. And he's going

644
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: to get in thirteen Pro Bowls, five All pros. Yeah, listen,

645
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: we can argue back and forth. I mean, you look

646
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: at Stafford and you're like, we got Seattle backed up.

647
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: It's hard enough to get down the field. We got

648
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: to take these points.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 1: I also think Drew made a great point. If you

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Speaker 1: go for a run and it doesn't work, then you

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Speaker 1: can just say, well, when you try to get kind

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Speaker 1: of clever and roll out without bow Nicks, that's much

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Speaker 1: easier to criticize. Oh again, Hindsight's twenty twenty great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Drew brees money today, Matt Hasselback fantastic. We're at a time,

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Speaker 1: Me see you, Tom