Speaker 1: To check it down Man Wednesday, January twenty five, beating
Speaker 1: the book podcast for Super Wildcar weekend in the National
Speaker 1: Football League, Gil Alexander with the two staples of the show,
Speaker 1: can't believe the regular season is over. That's Will's line,
Speaker 1: but I really can't believe it. Todd wishing to bottom
Speaker 1: the bottom left, I guess for people from his mom's
Speaker 1: cork attic outside of Pittsburgh, PA. The star of the
Speaker 1: showtime Docuseriies Action and newly crowned megapod handicapping champion Todd
Speaker 1: Wishnet Take your bow.
Speaker 2: Todd, I'll wait to do it properly. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Will Hill in his Vikings Colors, although I think it
Speaker 1: says Los Angeles nonetheless Vikings fan. Do he knows he's doomed?
Speaker 1: He feels doomed. Will Hill everybody and not the Will Hill,
Speaker 1: the host of the Should Have Bet More podcast, part
Speaker 1: of the fare Best Podcast Empire at Fox Sports, where
Speaker 1: he and the upset of the Year managed to avoid
Speaker 1: scathing scandal this past week. Well done, Will, so far.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 4: Guys love Wildcard Weekend. It is near the top of
Speaker 4: the list for in terms of the sports calendar. You know,
Speaker 4: March madness. You can just pick out your favorite days,
Speaker 4: your favorite sports, but Man, wildcard weekend is just about
Speaker 4: as good as it gets.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It is the best weekend, right. We got to college
Speaker 1: football one Thursday night, one Friday night semifinals, then two
Speaker 1: NFL games on Saturday, three on Sunday, one on Monday.
Speaker 1: It don't get no better than this.
Speaker 2: I believe it. What you will, I'll soundly disagree with
Speaker 2: both of you. The football season is coming to an end,
Speaker 2: which is a very sad time for all humanity because
Speaker 2: we are going to have to wait months and months
Speaker 2: until it all comes back. A couple of games is
Speaker 2: very paltry and is not enough. Obviously. It's like having
Speaker 2: like a little here's your dinner. You're gonna get half
Speaker 2: a thing of mashed potatoes and like it not going
Speaker 2: to work.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you know I feel that way after the
Speaker 1: division round, but we still have two more weeks of
Speaker 1: solid but I hear you. After that, the depression sets it.
Speaker 4: It did hit home when Scott Hansen on the Red
Speaker 4: Zone Sunday late afternoon says we'll see in September as
Speaker 4: he signs off.
Speaker 2: Wow, a long way away.
Speaker 1: What Do you suppose a guy like that does the
Speaker 1: rest of the year.
Speaker 4: I would still be thinking about that. Does he have
Speaker 4: another job? Does he anchor some of those shows? Because
Speaker 4: if not, Man's that's a pretty sweet gig.
Speaker 2: He does w NBA Red Zones. Do you guys don't
Speaker 2: watch WNBA Red Zone?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: You're right, and now let's go live to the Seattle
Speaker 2: Storm beating the Mystic Holy Cow.
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite w NBA player, Dodd? Who is it again?
Speaker 2: Oh? I don't. I don't know anything about that league.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, I don't know how to thinking about it.
Speaker 1: The black box that you see is one of our
Speaker 1: favorite gets. Yes, Actually, to be honest with you, he
Speaker 1: was here early in the year. He's kind enough to
Speaker 1: do a playoff pod with us as well. Maybe the
Speaker 1: best NFL Twitter follow there is. He hates when I
Speaker 1: say that, but he's certainly up there in the conversation.
Speaker 1: Cleave ta courtesy of the Twitter machine. How you doing, man?
Speaker 5: You can't see me, but I'm shaking my head. No
Speaker 5: on that one, I'm definitely not the best. I appreciate
Speaker 5: it though. It's the best I've looked on video, so
Speaker 5: you I appreciate it. But I do agree with Todd
Speaker 5: by the way, on this. I do agree with Todd
Speaker 5: like I like the potpourri of game. I like a
Speaker 5: bunch of games on at the same time. I don't
Speaker 5: care if it's I tweeted this two weeks don't get
Speaker 5: Titans Jags. Like everyone was complaining about Week seventeen that
Speaker 5: there's no good games. I said, you're gonna regret this
Speaker 5: in a few months. You're gonna be wishing you had
Speaker 5: Titans Jags. So as good as Wildcard weekend is, and
Speaker 5: it's great, it's just one game at a time. If
Speaker 5: it's a blowout early, then it just kind of you
Speaker 5: just sit there and wait for.
Speaker 2: The next game.
Speaker 5: And so I like having a bunch of games uh
Speaker 5: on at the same time, even if they're bad ones.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's it's a good week on my block.
Speaker 5: Guys playing Friday, so hopefully, uh hopefully they got to
Speaker 5: win here. Uh look, I really need h really need
Speaker 5: a title in this uh in my it's been a while.
Speaker 5: Uh so looking forward to the weekend against Texas.
Speaker 1: You're not one of these ten years.
Speaker 3: It hasn't been that long.
Speaker 5: Actually, it was about ten years ago. I was at
Speaker 5: that it was in Dallas actually where the Cotton bowls
Speaker 5: and uh.
Speaker 4: Again the Oregon almost by the same score. They just
Speaker 4: beat him.
Speaker 5: Yeah that was a that was a beatdown. But yeah, no,
Speaker 5: I know it's just more uh selfishly just before I
Speaker 5: feel like Ohio State, with all that talent, should have
Speaker 5: more than you know one every.
Speaker 3: I was with all of the preseason predictions anyone made.
Speaker 4: Cleave t A's Vikings are a sleeper and the way
Speaker 4: he laid it out was about as good as any
Speaker 4: So hat tip there.
Speaker 5: What do you have get Kevin O'Donnell home for Coach
Speaker 5: of the Year to really sweep the board. We're worried
Speaker 5: about it, but we'll see. I appreciate.
Speaker 1: What's your number? What's your number? Cleave? Twenty eight to one,
Speaker 1: twenty eight to one. That, by the way, I find
Speaker 1: this thinking ridiculous, but I should probably bring it up.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that the Vikings getting smacked by the
Speaker 1: Lions is going to change some voters votes on that?
Speaker 5: If you had to guess, yes, just because that's just
Speaker 5: human nature of these voters. It's just how they think.
Speaker 5: That's why I someone mentioned that to me last week.
Speaker 5: I said, that's why I love to bet on these
Speaker 5: awards because it's if you just put yourself in the
Speaker 5: shoes of these voters, you can really kind of isolate
Speaker 5: what they look for. It I use all these historical
Speaker 5: patterns or the types of you know, I made fun
Speaker 5: of the whole Jared Goff MVP stuff because it's like,
Speaker 5: I know how people vote because we've got a pattern
Speaker 5: of thinking, and you know, what happens last really matters.
Speaker 5: Now I'm not saying it's going to sway all votes.
Speaker 5: You could still win. I mean he was a big
Speaker 5: favorite on FanDuel I saw last week, but uh or
Speaker 5: you know, after the game, but you know, you see
Speaker 5: it on Twitter. You see guys like Adam Schefter, and
Speaker 5: I think Bill Barnwell picked Campbell that you know they'll
Speaker 5: carry the water for these coaches, and the guy like
Speaker 5: Campbell is very well liked, so you know it is possible.
Speaker 5: I will say there are a handful of voters like
Speaker 5: Mina Chimes. She sent her voting prior to week eighteen,
Speaker 5: So that tells me that that has to be a
Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell though, right, Like, there's no like you wouldn't
Speaker 5: send it in early unless you likely have O'Connell. So
Speaker 5: I do feel better about those. I wish I had
Speaker 5: knew how many actually centers in early, because then I
Speaker 5: can kind of count those as kind of almost all KOC,
Speaker 5: if not all, but the ones that held on and waited,
Speaker 5: you know, might might might be swayed here. We'll see.
Speaker 5: You just never know with some of these, some of
Speaker 5: these voters. But I think it's gonna be close.
Speaker 1: I love Mina, but I wish you wouldn't turn it
Speaker 1: in early.
Speaker 5: I wish I don't understand why, you know, what's what's
Speaker 5: the reasoning. I'm not really sure I get it unless
Speaker 5: just kind of get off your desk, but I don't.
Speaker 5: I mean, you've got a responsibility just wait for all
Speaker 5: the games.
Speaker 1: Are you one of these Ohio state fans that even
Speaker 1: if they win the national championship, you're gonna be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we didn't beat Michigan.
Speaker 5: No, I'm a complete opposite of that. The national titles
Speaker 5: all that matters. I mean, the rivalry is great. Hate Michigan,
Speaker 5: but it's different than it was, you know, you know,
Speaker 5: ten twenty years ago or even just a couple of
Speaker 5: years ago. And there's no playoff because that's all it
Speaker 5: was if you lost to Michigan, you couldn't win the title.
Speaker 5: So they go hand in hand. Whether the old John
Speaker 5: Cooper days, he had great, great rosters, he had Eddie, George,
Speaker 5: Orlando Pays. It's just you know, on and on, and
Speaker 5: he couldn't beat Michigan, and so they would always end
Speaker 5: up with, you know, one one loss or two losses
Speaker 5: and go to the Citrus Bowl and couldn't win the title.
Speaker 5: So it was major disappointment back then. But now you know, okay,
Speaker 5: stinks that you lost to them, but you could still
Speaker 5: win the title, and that's that should be the ultimate goal.
Speaker 1: Todd wishinge, is it time yet to take your bow?
Speaker 2: Sure we could talk about that. I don't mind. We
Speaker 2: can talk about that. I mean I could talk a
Speaker 2: little bit more about why Ohio State, who lost to Michigan,
Speaker 2: is a little bit overrated. I think at this point,
Speaker 2: just because of their big win. I think people are
Speaker 2: sleeping on the fact that Ohio State looked so amazing
Speaker 2: against Oregon. They're just they're just cruising for a bruising.
Speaker 2: As my dad used to say, too much Ohio State love.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, same.
Speaker 1: Thing with the Raids.
Speaker 2: I agree the line is.
Speaker 5: Definitely I had made I made the Ohio State line
Speaker 5: three and a half, so I do think it's definitely
Speaker 5: a flate at five and a half six. I just
Speaker 5: would never I mean, obviously I would never bet my
Speaker 5: against my own team right now, but I also wouldn't
Speaker 5: stand in front of that train. You never know, like
Speaker 5: when you get to these playoff situations, a team with
Speaker 5: the most talent, you know, rises to the top, and
Speaker 5: you know it's not it's just like Yukon last year
Speaker 5: in hoops, it's you just don't want to stand in
Speaker 5: front of that train, even though your season long numbers
Speaker 5: might say otherwise.
Speaker 2: So you talent cleve, Yukon showed why they were a train.
Speaker 2: I don't think Ohio State was a train this year.
Speaker 2: They lost to Michigan and they weren't that impressive. I
Speaker 2: you know, everybody's oh the house State, they're so great,
Speaker 2: Oh that receiver is amazing. They're not that great.
Speaker 5: But Yukon wasn't dominant in the regular season last year.
Speaker 5: If I recalled, like they did have some stumbles, they
Speaker 5: were good. Well, they were kind of waiting the tournament.
Speaker 5: So that's the only reason why I sit down. But
Speaker 5: I agree, like Ohio State definitely has hiccups, and Texas
Speaker 5: up front, their problem is you know, up the middle.
Speaker 5: Their offensive line is and issue with multiple injuriespecially at center,
Speaker 5: so you know that could be an issue. I just
Speaker 5: I don't believe in Quinn yours and I think they're
Speaker 5: gonna you know, they lost twice at Georgia. Didn't look great,
Speaker 5: you know, against the only real defense they faced, So
Speaker 5: I think this is going to be a tough task.
Speaker 5: But I agree. I mean, the lines inflated. I just
Speaker 5: wouldn't stay in front of them.
Speaker 2: I don't like Sarcoso. Sark is terrible.
Speaker 1: All right, some of us have another podcast TB alone.
Speaker 2: Sorry, oh, we gotta get the other cub Okay, so
Speaker 2: let's just talk about the records. The final records are
Speaker 2: info and for the second time in three years. If
Speaker 2: you're scoring and oh, the champion and unbelievable picker of
Speaker 2: the year, that's Big Tea with a thirty one and
Speaker 2: twenty three record. If you all remembered going into last week,
Speaker 2: Gilly needed ah to two for me and A two
Speaker 2: and oh bim because we were both matched on the
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs and there was no cheating folks. I
Speaker 2: texted the picks to Willy early. We all texted early.
Speaker 2: Wait didn't happen? Why didn't it happen? Because I told
Speaker 2: you it was going to be cold in Pittsburgh, and
Speaker 2: was it cold in Pittsburgh. It was freezing at Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: And an easy winner. And then the other easy winner
Speaker 2: as well, the over in Tampa Bay. What wasn't so easy?
Speaker 2: But anyways, with all that said, I have to take
Speaker 2: kudos now, granted it wasn't the season that Gilly had
Speaker 2: last year. Look, I can be a grateful winner. Last
Speaker 2: year's season by Gil Alexander was one for the record books.
Speaker 2: We may never see it in our lifetimes again. At
Speaker 2: thirty five eighteen and one last year, that is quite outstanding,
Speaker 2: no doubt. But a solid thirty one and twenty three
Speaker 2: for the w I'll take it on the teaser world.
Speaker 2: Gilly five twelve and one, Willie seven nine and two
Speaker 2: looked like he was gonna win the teaser championship, but
Speaker 2: he doesn't because I come out of nowhere to win
Speaker 2: the teasers as well at eight and ten by percentage
Speaker 2: points that the guest at seven and eleven, so a
Speaker 2: double champion.
Speaker 1: Let me let me comment about your win. Your win,
Speaker 1: by the way, you beat me by a game and
Speaker 1: a half because we both went to and zero on
Speaker 1: our other two picks. So you beat me by a
Speaker 1: game and a half this year. Two years ago, you
Speaker 1: beat me by a half game because I had a
Speaker 1: pick in the tomorrow Hamblin game. So you end up
Speaker 1: winning on percentage. I would argue, I'm gonna give your
Speaker 1: props here. I would argue that your what was your
Speaker 1: record this year?
Speaker 2: Thirty one and one, thirty one and twenty three, thirty
Speaker 2: one and twenty three.
Speaker 1: You're thirty one and twenty three this year, in a
Speaker 1: year that was tougher than last year by most people's accounts,
Speaker 1: might be just as good as my thirty five seventeen
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty.
Speaker 2: Five eighteen and one. Will never be, will never be,
Speaker 2: you know that will never.
Speaker 1: But it's still but it's still very You still ended
Speaker 1: up with a really good record in a year where
Speaker 1: most people got beat. So kudos Todd Wish, nev everybody
Speaker 1: Todd Wish more than just a jokester.
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because I think that too, Like, man,
Speaker 4: what a tough year it was, But you could also
Speaker 4: look at it the other way, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just pretty straightforward, like the better teams won, the
Speaker 4: better teams covered for most.
Speaker 1: Of the year.
Speaker 3: So it is interesting how you can look at it
Speaker 3: both ways.
Speaker 5: You will calling you a yeah, I not want to
Speaker 5: say it, but you know, a square ball maybe is what.
Speaker 2: By the way, Cleve, it makes sense that he would
Speaker 2: say that. But if if we go back and research
Speaker 2: the data. Okay, most of my wins came on the
Speaker 2: back of excellent over undercalls, not on just blindly betting favorites.
Speaker 2: I have very few favorite it's actually with my thirty
Speaker 2: one and twenty three. So as usual, a poor job
Speaker 2: by my good friend will Hill trying to cast dispersions
Speaker 2: on my championship and call.
Speaker 4: All of the credit is all the accolades are deserved. Congratulations,
Speaker 4: no dispersions.
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out Shooter Shooter mcgamblin
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Shooter mcgamblin, that is your real name.
Speaker 3: I know you're gonna say.
Speaker 1: Shooter mcgamblin took very very clean and precise notes on
Speaker 1: not just our Dumbo of the Week winners for the
Speaker 1: whole year, but he did all of our Dumbo of
Speaker 1: the Week nominations. Who do you believe ended up with
Speaker 1: double the nomination six? Ream raheem rem no, No, I
Speaker 1: was surprised by this.
Speaker 4: Oh give me one second to think about it. So
Speaker 4: double the nominations of anyone else.
Speaker 1: The number one person who had the most most nominations
Speaker 1: had six during the course of the year. Double Matt
Speaker 1: ebberflus'es three.
Speaker 3: So it's not Tomlin. I'll say Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2: No, and I have a good guess.
Speaker 1: Okay, what you there?
Speaker 2: You go?
Speaker 5: I was gonna say Antonio Pierce, like no, sorry, yeah, peer, peers.
Speaker 1: Apologize, skip out of my mouth. Antonio Pierce with six
Speaker 1: and just a couple of highlights. I'm talking talking about
Speaker 1: this on the radio side this morning.
Speaker 2: Billy. There's multiple fourth downs in a game, so he
Speaker 2: had so many opportunities.
Speaker 1: Uh, you pick your favorite. Week one, Raiders fourth and
Speaker 1: one at the Chargers forty three, down six with seven
Speaker 1: to fifteen to go, he decides to punt or Week
Speaker 1: seven might be my favorite. Ten to eleven left, they're
Speaker 1: down eight to the Uh who are they playing? Down?
Speaker 2: Eight?
Speaker 1: The Rams fourth and goal at the Rams nine with
Speaker 1: two fifty to go, down eight. He kicks the twenty
Speaker 1: seven yard field goal. That's the winner. That's the moment.
Speaker 5: My favorite because I had I had the Raider in
Speaker 5: that game.
Speaker 2: I said, he's he's playing to cover.
Speaker 5: He's my favorite coach. He was for one week. I
Speaker 5: fleeed on him.
Speaker 2: I believe he did it a couple of times. Actually
Speaker 2: there were a number of times that he kicked field
Speaker 2: goals to cover the spread.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I appreciate Shooter mcgambillan doing this this last week.
Speaker 1: By the way, dumble of the week had to be
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur. Right, we agree on that Packers had the ball,
Speaker 1: they get that fumble, that ridiculous fumble that the Bears
Speaker 1: are just running out the clock. But then DJ Moore
Speaker 1: gets hit he fumbles, so the Packers are set up
Speaker 1: at the Bears forty three with one forty nine left.
Speaker 1: Malik will Is still in the game. Then one p
Speaker 1: thirty one left in the game, the Packers run the
Speaker 1: ball on second and four. Keep in mind there down
Speaker 1: to instead of draining all the clock and using one
Speaker 1: of their three timeouts which they had in pocket, the
Speaker 1: Packers snapped the ball with fifteen seconds on the play
Speaker 1: clock on third and two with one oh five on
Speaker 1: the clock. Then they call time out with fifty eight seconds.
Speaker 1: They don't let it bleed, and Lafleur would later say
Speaker 1: they were deciding whether to go ford or not. So
Speaker 1: fourth and fourth the Chicaga thirty seven. They elected to
Speaker 1: try at McMahons fifty five yard field goal, which miraculously
Speaker 1: goes through, but the Bears get the ball back with
Speaker 1: fifty four seconds left and Caleb Williams magic ends up
Speaker 1: getting the Bears in field goal position and they win.
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, You're Dumble of the week. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a but that is.
Speaker 2: So obviously horrible that you have to sometimes start to
Speaker 2: shake your head and go, how is this possible? It
Speaker 2: doesn't seem possible at this point some of these for
Speaker 2: I remember shaking our heads at something else earlier in
Speaker 2: the year. You're just like, this can't be for real.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It was almost like there was was unbelievable, Pierce.
Speaker 4: Thing is was it when the flour threw the ball
Speaker 4: up thirty four to nothing in the fourth quarter of
Speaker 4: what was the score on that.
Speaker 2: Same No that was remember that that was just him
Speaker 2: being lane Lane kiff On the floor. But for instance,
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. We're watching that bowl game
Speaker 2: and on three consecutive plays there's a question of whether
Speaker 2: a touchdown was scored or not. I think it was
Speaker 2: the Texas State Bowl game, and there was no reviews.
Speaker 2: There was on a single review. I've watched college football.
Speaker 2: I watched eight million games, that's an exact number, eight
Speaker 2: million games. I have never seen them not review three
Speaker 2: plays in a row that were clearly reviewable, every single
Speaker 2: one of them. And Gilly was losing his mind because
Speaker 2: I believe he had Texas State regularly and they weren't
Speaker 2: reviewing the plays. And I'm like, now, I'm starting to
Speaker 2: wonder what. Then we had the whole fiasco in New
Speaker 2: Orleans where the clock all of a sudden stopped when
Speaker 2: it's not supposed to stop because the ref forgot the rules.
Speaker 2: Some of these things are getting so egregious that I'm
Speaker 2: starting to have very sinister thoughts.
Speaker 1: The text, I know what you're getting at the Texas
Speaker 1: State thing in the non reviews was the first time
Speaker 1: I ever decided maybe those you know, the fix the
Speaker 1: rigged crowd, maybe they're not so crazy after all. Like
Speaker 1: I was like, what the what the fuck is this right?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: How is this not being reviewed? I would say it
Speaker 1: on the on the radio side this morning about you
Speaker 1: know so so Mike Rabel is out there, right, and
Speaker 1: what's a better job? The Patriots are the Raiders. I
Speaker 1: was sort of tossing that around, but I got to
Speaker 1: if you are a GM or an owner, isn't the
Speaker 1: only quality, Like if you're searching for a new head coach,
Speaker 1: for me, I don't care if what your x's and
Speaker 1: o's expertise is. I think you can delegate that, like
Speaker 1: I think I think Rufus said it. You know, the
Speaker 1: CEO model not so bad for a coach. For a
Speaker 1: head coach, I just want to know that you, as
Speaker 1: the head coach, know how to think your way out
Speaker 1: of in game situations. And Vrabel has shown that right.
Speaker 1: Remember he did the uh he exploited that loophole in
Speaker 1: the rule where if you take the delay of game
Speaker 1: if you're up over five.
Speaker 4: Years at Belichick's trick against him. Belichick wasted a meaningless
Speaker 4: game against the Jets, and Belichick was smirking he likes
Speaker 4: sticking it to the Jets. It was like Week three,
Speaker 4: ro up thirty to nothing, Meanwhile, Rabel says, all right,
Speaker 4: I'll use your check against you in the playoffs and
Speaker 4: it was really effective.
Speaker 1: That's all I want to know. That's that's all you need.
Speaker 1: That you're my coach, and the rest can fall into play.
Speaker 1: And I think, I think these these oders and these
Speaker 1: gms outthink themselves past that stuff because of all this
Speaker 1: ship we see week to week of how dumb what
Speaker 1: Todd's talking about, how dumb these guys can be when
Speaker 1: it comes to just the stuff that we find obvious.
Speaker 2: But some of it Gilly is just dumb. And then
Speaker 2: there's stuff that you have to start shaking your head
Speaker 2: like there's dumb, and then there's like, come on, now,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Seriously? Like this flafloor thing
Speaker 2: you're talking but he hasn't been at the end of that.
Speaker 2: Guy's actually a pretty good coach. He doesn't know the
Speaker 2: you know, when Raheem Morris screws it up. Okay, I
Speaker 2: understand you could looking at him on the sidelines, he
Speaker 2: looks like a deer in the headlights and he doesn't
Speaker 2: know what he's doing. Every week to week, same thing
Speaker 2: with Antonio. But some of these guys are good coaches,
Speaker 2: and you know, I mean, wasn't there. I don't know
Speaker 2: it Just some of this stuff is getting a little
Speaker 2: too sketchy for him me, you know, And I'm starting
Speaker 2: to wonder, I'm starting to make Look, not all conspiracy
Speaker 2: theories are true, of course, but if one out of
Speaker 2: ten of them is, that's still pretty big deal, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm not like, what was this?
Speaker 2: What was the answer on the Saints in the Saints game?
Speaker 2: Because the ref doesn't know that all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the ref doesn't know the rules with nine seconds? But
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? We made a mistake. You
Speaker 2: didn't make a mistake. What are you talking about? You
Speaker 2: never made a mistake.
Speaker 1: Todd is referring to Jalen McMillan caught a deep pass
Speaker 1: from Baker Mayfield on the fourth and long. He then
Speaker 1: mimicked the gunfire and they flagged him.
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't talking about that, No Saints. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so after that play, this is what I
Speaker 1: think you're talking about. You tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: After that, they moved the ball back because of the
Speaker 1: because of that penalty, and the refs called it first
Speaker 1: in goal from the twenty four for like five minutes.
Speaker 1: They couldn't figure out that it was first and ten,
Speaker 1: and we literally even the announcers like, what is wrong
Speaker 1: with him? You can't do it. So I was talking.
Speaker 2: About that, but it's another great example of you don't
Speaker 2: even know the rules. I was talking about how the
Speaker 2: guy at the one yard line in the Saints Redskins
Speaker 2: game stopped the clock for four seconds, three or four
Speaker 2: seconds for no reason. I mean that one, to me
Speaker 2: is so egregiously ridiculous. What what is an explanation? We
Speaker 2: made a mistake. That's not an explanation. What is the
Speaker 2: explanation the guy's waving his hands to stop the call?
Speaker 2: Because why you're not reffing a college game? What is it?
Speaker 2: Did you did you think you were reffing a college
Speaker 2: There's not even explanation given.
Speaker 1: The bigger thing. And I want to give Will credit
Speaker 1: because I think Will was the first on text to
Speaker 1: bring this up, which is someone needs to do an
Speaker 1: expose on replay Assist. When did it arrive in our lives?
Speaker 1: We were not informed that it was arriving in our lives.
Speaker 1: And to this day, I can't tell you what it
Speaker 1: can review and what it can't because the simplest things
Speaker 1: like oh, the play clock went to zero, can't review that,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's just it's all so dump and
Speaker 1: we're still in.
Speaker 5: Judgment calls. And I gotta tell you, I can't wait
Speaker 5: till next I think they're gonna they're gonna add this
Speaker 5: because they talked about it. There's been so many of
Speaker 5: them missed face face masks, Like it's the most obvious.
Speaker 5: It's not a judgment call, it's not pass interference, it's
Speaker 5: not holding. It's either you grab a face mask or
Speaker 5: you don't. And there's been so many missed face masks
Speaker 5: that they're gonna they're gonna add it next year, they
Speaker 5: said to the replay assists, because I don't understand that,
Speaker 5: Like that just makes no sense to me that you can't.
Speaker 5: You mean the Donald remember Donald in the end zone
Speaker 5: arth the rams, My whole face mask completely flipped around,
Speaker 5: and they couldn't even like, how do you not just say,
Speaker 5: all right, it's a face move screwed up so again
Speaker 5: this week till they are adding those things and it's
Speaker 5: not worth it this.
Speaker 1: Week, right, Like, I mean, that was part of my thing.
Speaker 1: Everybody's saying, you know, Detroit crushed the Vike, and they
Speaker 1: did in the end on the scoreboard, but for three
Speaker 1: quarters I could have argued, I don't know the This
Speaker 1: is kind of a confluence of events that have all
Speaker 1: gone Detroit's way. One of those is the referee category,
Speaker 1: which is they missed that face mask on Darnald deep
Speaker 1: in their own territory, and then right after that the
Speaker 1: next quarter, the intentional grounding in the end zone. Right
Speaker 1: there was whether there was that the face mask you
Speaker 1: bring you bring up as one of them. Then Darnald
Speaker 1: threw eight, you know, eight overthrows in the first half.
Speaker 1: So I mean, good on Detroit for stopping them, but
Speaker 1: is that going to be sustainable if they if they
Speaker 1: have the same thing happened again, I don't know. And
Speaker 1: just I just think there was a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: the fact that you come away with only what six
Speaker 1: points and four red zone appearances. There was more that
Speaker 1: I listed the other day, but there's a bunch of that.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's like all doom and gloom
Speaker 1: for Vikings. Fans switch the subject. But you brought it
Speaker 1: up with the face mass so made me think.
Speaker 2: Of does cleve ta Cleive do you agree with me
Speaker 2: that we're getting a more wwefication. And I'll just give
Speaker 2: one other example the Texas Georgia game where they called
Speaker 2: pass inefference and then pick announce the penalty, then picked
Speaker 2: up the flag. I've never seen them announce a penalty
Speaker 2: and go whoops, do over our fault? My fault? Why
Speaker 2: because the people were throwing things. I mean, we're getting
Speaker 2: to a WWE ification in this sports, this college and
Speaker 2: the pro football that that to me is getting very worrisome.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with this?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think there's always been a horrible you know,
Speaker 5: referee mistakes. I mean, think about the Saints' Rams, the
Speaker 5: past interference that they didn't call that led to the
Speaker 5: Rams going to the Super Bowl. Like there are there
Speaker 5: are things that you know, I probably don't even think about,
Speaker 5: but I understand what you're saying. I think there is
Speaker 5: more pressure on referees because of things like social media
Speaker 5: and Twitter, and you know, they get death threats now
Speaker 5: and obviously with the gambling and player props like this,
Speaker 5: just constant flow of that. So it may seem like
Speaker 5: there is something to that, just because of all these
Speaker 5: pressures and all these different forces outside, and maybe you
Speaker 5: just notice it because you have a bet on a game,
Speaker 5: or because you better player prop or in game or
Speaker 5: whatever that may you might not have had a few
Speaker 5: years ago. I don't know. I'm not sure I can
Speaker 5: I can get to that point because maybe I just
Speaker 5: don't want to tell myself that we're ever at that
Speaker 5: point where there's anything shady going on. But you know,
Speaker 5: it's just it feels like it's been like this forever. Uh,
Speaker 5: And maybe it's just pointed out more because of social
Speaker 5: media and you see anytime there's any major mistake, you
Speaker 5: see a clip on it right away posted. Maybe in
Speaker 5: the past you might not have so that that could
Speaker 5: be skewing things some jacket.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna translate that todd.
Speaker 1: Many times.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 5: I get it. It's just that I feel like it's
Speaker 5: been like there's been some horrible calls in the past
Speaker 5: too that I said, maybe we just didn't see a
Speaker 5: light of day because there was no Twitter or wasn't
Speaker 5: you know, it wasn't blasted on social media as much.
Speaker 5: But you know, you might be really I don't know. I,
Speaker 5: like I said, I'm just maybe I'm just blind to
Speaker 5: it because I don't want it to be like that.
Speaker 1: How many times has Todd brought up that one play
Speaker 1: where they where they picked up the flag in that Alabama?
Speaker 3: He likes that one. You love Texas, Texas, Georgia.
Speaker 1: I think Georgia.
Speaker 2: Never happened. It has never happened in the history of sports.
Speaker 2: That a penalty. Not not we picked up the flag.
Speaker 2: That's happened a million times, announced the flag, announce the penalty.
Speaker 2: It's a penalty. The guy gets him, he goes oh first,
Speaker 2: down the whole thing, and then haven't have a talk
Speaker 2: about it and decide to pick up I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: It's never happened. I've watched every single game. It has
Speaker 2: never happened.
Speaker 1: He's got the left hand.
Speaker 4: I think, to summarize Todd's point in a different way,
Speaker 4: we all watch a lot of games. I don't know
Speaker 4: if anyone watches more games than Todd. If you watch
Speaker 4: a lot of games, man, you'll see some strange ship
Speaker 4: refs calls. You know, game theory and you name it.
Speaker 4: You see a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Todd. Texas State and North Texas the
Speaker 1: most inexplicable thing we've seen all year, the single.
Speaker 2: Most they didn't review three different plays that happened back
Speaker 2: to back. What the replay like machine not work? What
Speaker 2: the hell is going on? And nobody cared. Nobody cared
Speaker 2: because it was like, Okay, it's just some stupid bowl
Speaker 2: that nobody's Well I cared about it too, But I'm
Speaker 2: just saying anyways.
Speaker 1: All right, are we at the records or do you
Speaker 1: have an in game you wanted.
Speaker 2: To say we did? We did the records. I mean,
Speaker 2: I have nothing to say about my in game other
Speaker 2: than maybe it's a bad idea to bet these teams
Speaker 2: that are winning by a lot to not score anymore
Speaker 2: when I lost to Tanner McKee and uh Trubisky last week.
Speaker 2: So I didn't make that mistake again this week because
Speaker 2: that's another thing that I guess been changing. Gilly kept
Speaker 2: them telling me it's changing. Teams are running up the
Speaker 2: score and stuff. So we're getting a running up the
Speaker 2: scorification that never used to happen as well. But you know,
Speaker 2: I don't really have any any great in game insights.
Speaker 3: Can two thousand and seven Patriots. Does nobody remember the
Speaker 3: two thousand.
Speaker 2: And seven Patriots, Yeah, we do, But it happened early
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter but anyways.
Speaker 1: He did a whole deep dive on it all the way.
Speaker 1: One last thing before we get to the bets. And
Speaker 1: by the way, it's only two bets per weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two bets for Super Wildcar Weekend per person plus your teaser.
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with betting, but I need
Speaker 1: to know because my head was exploding and Ta, maybe
Speaker 1: you can help me out on this. The Browns get
Speaker 1: by the way, that's another thing of the Bravens. Covering
Speaker 1: that twenty point spread was just amazing. And if you
Speaker 1: were on the Brown side, you were probably pissed about it.
Speaker 2: But because you and that was a great example of
Speaker 2: exactly what I was just talking about in the old days,
Speaker 2: that would never happen.
Speaker 1: Never happened. But the Brave, But the Braves, the Browns.
Speaker 1: The Drive they scored the touchdown on. You will remember
Speaker 1: there was a play earlier in the Drive where it
Speaker 1: appeared that Thrash Jamari Thrash of the Browns scored a
Speaker 1: touchdown earlier in that drive. Didn't it a mattering even
Speaker 1: the touchdown, did? Remember? He seemingly caught the ball before
Speaker 1: he got into the end zone. He crossed the plane
Speaker 1: and then he got the ball knocked out of his hands. Okay,
Speaker 1: I lost my mind because I have watched five bajillion
Speaker 1: NFL foot and I get their explanainis their explainations, Oh,
Speaker 1: you have to carry it through, you have to carry
Speaker 1: it through the catch, you have to survive the ground,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. When has that ever been the case
Speaker 1: through the plane of the goal one? When I have
Speaker 1: literally had conversations with Mike carry, former NFL referee in
Speaker 1: person talking about this thing, and even he and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, it doesn't make sense because, as Tod pointed out,
Speaker 1: if you're six yards in the end zone, you catch
Speaker 1: the ball and someone bats it out of your hand
Speaker 1: before you establish or or make it whatever it is,
Speaker 1: that's not a catch.
Speaker 2: We all get that.
Speaker 1: But there's this magic powder of the plane that they
Speaker 1: always you know, in a very inconsistent way, or like, well, no,
Speaker 1: but you cross the plane, doesn't matter what happens afterwards,
Speaker 1: and suddenly this wasn't a touchdown? Am I wrong about this? Ta?
Speaker 5: No? I agree, And yeah, the whole end zone situation
Speaker 5: is so weird. It's so different than the rest of
Speaker 5: the field because, yeah, like you said, once you cross
Speaker 5: the plane, doesn't matter what happens the moment you cross
Speaker 5: the plane. As long as you get over it, there
Speaker 5: should be a touchdown. And so he did have possession
Speaker 5: and he went forward and then you know, he lost
Speaker 5: possession after he went he crossed the line. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I wasn't sure I understood that one either, But I'm
Speaker 5: with you. I mean, was what was the des Bryant
Speaker 5: situation against the Packers in the playoff game? Wasn't that
Speaker 5: something similar where like you, I don't think in the
Speaker 5: end zone was trying to remember went to the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there was the famous one. I don't read
Speaker 2: Redskins Tampa Bay. There was a famous one. I think
Speaker 2: Phil Simms's kid to somebody in the back of the
Speaker 2: end zone. He didn't he caught it in the end
Speaker 2: zone and then he didn't survive the ground. That was
Speaker 2: a but, But that's really what you're talking about. You're
Speaker 2: saying that if you catch the ball in the end zone,
Speaker 2: you don't survive the ground. Okay, no problem, go back.
Speaker 2: You didn't do it. Now you're saying a whole different thing,
Speaker 2: which is catch catch the ball, or supposedly catch the
Speaker 2: ball the one or two yard line and not complete
Speaker 2: because like, for instance, what would you say if the
Speaker 2: guy caught it at the three, did the exact same
Speaker 2: thing fell down at the one, he didn't break the
Speaker 2: plane right and didn't survive the ground, you would say incomplete,
Speaker 2: right and compel right.
Speaker 1: But the I'll give you, I'll give you the like
Speaker 1: a precedent for it, because you're right about the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Washington last. Yeah, great point, God, let me finish.
Speaker 2: The fuck you didn't let me finish. You didn't let me.
Speaker 1: Jesus, you're right about the Tampa Bay Washington game, which
Speaker 1: was the Sean Taylor spit game right with the and
Speaker 1: I think it was a manual burta manual burda manual
Speaker 1: was who was the receiver. But we had the Calvin
Speaker 1: Johnson precedent before that. We were like, oh no, that's
Speaker 1: not the l In the super Bowl, the New Orleans
Speaker 1: Indianapolis super Bowl, Drew Brees through a two point conversion
Speaker 1: of Lance Moore. Lance Moore caught the ball outside of
Speaker 1: the end zone, turned across the plane, and then as
Speaker 1: he crossed back out of it, got the ball knocked
Speaker 1: out of his hand. They said, two point conversion counts.
Speaker 1: How was this different.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying, just saying,
Speaker 2: those are the pregents that play happens so unlike I
Speaker 2: don't think that's the only time you can come up
Speaker 2: with him, because you really don't see it that often.
Speaker 2: Because remember, it has to happen exactly this way, where
Speaker 2: the guy catches it barely outside of the end zone
Speaker 2: then didn't survive the ground out in the out of
Speaker 2: bounds outside the endzone. It's such a weird play that
Speaker 2: rarely happens that we don't even remember any other than
Speaker 2: that one you just brought up, which is a great
Speaker 2: bring up, but you know.
Speaker 4: Was the ball can hit the ground as long as
Speaker 4: you have control over it, which was not rolled that
Speaker 4: way at the time. And then actually put the two
Speaker 4: thousand rams in the Super Bowl, and what was like, ah,
Speaker 4: what was the final score? That can be thirteen to
Speaker 4: eight or like some weird baseball score. I can look
Speaker 4: it up, but that was like, hey, you can the
Speaker 4: ball can touch the ground. It used to be if
Speaker 4: the ball touches the grounds at all on a pass
Speaker 4: incomplete automatic. Now the rules if you have control over
Speaker 4: it can touch the ground.
Speaker 1: I believe I have that right, Yeah, it's I don't know.
Speaker 1: One of these playoff games, something's going to happen. We're
Speaker 1: all going to be like, really, that's that now, you know? Anyway,
Speaker 1: I just find it amazing. We can watch five billion
Speaker 1: games and we still have no idea what's a catch?
Speaker 2: Well, in the Megapod three years ago, there was never
Speaker 2: a case where somebody picked a game, or a guy
Speaker 2: almost died from a heart attack and didn't get a
Speaker 2: win or loss, so he had one last pick. So
Speaker 2: we went to the Megapod rules. It was very simple.
Speaker 2: It's clearly states that percentage wins, and we had an
Speaker 2: answer because we are saying humans, whereas the rest of
Speaker 2: the world has completely lost its mind, including the National
Speaker 2: Football League.
Speaker 3: You guys, want to guess what the score was NFC
Speaker 3: Championship Game two thousand.
Speaker 1: Thirteen to eight? You were correct, thirteen to nine.
Speaker 3: You want to be here all day. I don't think
Speaker 3: anyone's going to get it.
Speaker 2: Like five five? It was eleven to five? Thing?
Speaker 3: Nope, was it?
Speaker 1: What was? But I would never have gotten that eleven
Speaker 1: to six. I knew the game I.
Speaker 2: Was talking about. It wasn't the game I was talking about.
Speaker 2: I was talking about a game with Phil Simms's Yeah,
Speaker 2: Phil's sick of Tampa and he threw a touch down
Speaker 2: the back of the end zone. Again, that's that's the
Speaker 2: one you're talking about, Gilly, and that's one. It had
Speaker 2: all the controversy, and that kind of led to a
Speaker 2: whole new thing along with the whole Dez Bryant thing.
Speaker 1: So I remember though, because of the Calvin Johnson thing.
Speaker 1: I remember saying at the time, I was like, that's
Speaker 1: not a catch because I was a Skins fan watching,
Speaker 1: you know, hoping desperately it wasn't. But I was like,
Speaker 1: that's not a catch because of Calvin Johnson. That's the
Speaker 1: last playoff game the Washington Redskins franchise. It's the last
Speaker 1: playoff game the Skins have won. Gibbs two point zero.
Speaker 1: I believe it was Brunel was a.
Speaker 3: Brunel and they played decently.
Speaker 4: I remember they almost covered against Seattle the next week.
Speaker 4: I was in high school and I think like Santana
Speaker 4: Moss dropped a touchdown late that would have covered for
Speaker 4: him and Seattle ended up winning. That was the Seattle
Speaker 4: team that went to the Super Bowl. But they played
Speaker 4: Seattle pretty tough. Yeah, the next week, for man twenty years. Jeez, dude,
Speaker 4: are almost amazing amazing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What what? What a time to be a Skins fan.
Speaker 1: You thought we had a death sentence with the worst
Speaker 1: owner alive, and now Jayden Daniels has turned everything around.
Speaker 1: All right? Two best bets cider total Ta, we start
Speaker 1: with your first.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I don't I took this. It was a
Speaker 5: little bit higher, but I like the Washington Tampa speaking
Speaker 5: of Washington, Washington Tampa under I think that's at fifty, right.
Speaker 2: What do you guys have? I have forty nine and
Speaker 2: a half and fifty and a half? What do you
Speaker 2: guys have?
Speaker 5: Fifties?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Fifty bitty Okay.
Speaker 5: We'll call it fifty. It's a key number, so fifty
Speaker 5: is fine. Yeah. I just you know, I know that
Speaker 5: both of these teams are you know, high octane offenses
Speaker 5: in the regular season. I just think this is a
Speaker 5: really this is a really high total historically when you
Speaker 5: look at the playoff round, you know, the wildcard round.
Speaker 5: I mean we go back again. It's a little caveat
Speaker 5: because this is obviously a warmer climate, but just there's
Speaker 5: been fifteen outdoor wildcard games in two thousand, where the
Speaker 5: total has been at least forty seven and a half
Speaker 5: and thirteen have gone under. It just shows you, like,
Speaker 5: you can't really use regular season data for these playoff games.
Speaker 5: And you obviously got a rookie quarterback in Jamee Daniels.
Speaker 5: As great as he is, there's a lot that has
Speaker 5: to go right here. You know he's going to have
Speaker 5: some jitters. Just is what it is. Yeah, Todd Bowles,
Speaker 5: their run defense has been Tampa's run defense is number
Speaker 5: one in the NFL over the back half of this year.
Speaker 5: We know Washington as good of an offense it is.
Speaker 5: They really just rely on the run game, especially on
Speaker 5: early downs, to get them in these third and fourth
Speaker 5: and shorts to convert. But they're not a really explosive offense.
Speaker 5: They're one of the lower lowest explosive pass offenses, especially
Speaker 5: in the back half of the year where teams are
Speaker 5: starting to figure out Daniels a little bit on that end.
Speaker 5: I mean, he just creates so many plays with his legs,
Speaker 5: but he's not pushing the ball down the field as
Speaker 5: much as he was early in the season, So you
Speaker 5: got a little bit less than the explosive pass route.
Speaker 5: A lot more running from Washington. You know, Tampa has
Speaker 5: got some issues in the secondary, which is a little
Speaker 5: a little scary for me. Antoine Winfield should be back
Speaker 5: this week, Jamal Dean, I'm not so sure at corner.
Speaker 5: But again, outside of Terry McLaurin, there's really nobody else
Speaker 5: that scares you outside for Washington, So it's not like
Speaker 5: you need, you know, four or five great corners here
Speaker 5: to slow this team down. And then the other side
Speaker 5: of the ball, as great as Baker's been, you know
Speaker 5: that they have had some luck. They are, you know,
Speaker 5: one of the top teams in the NFL when it
Speaker 5: comes to red zone. They don't make mistakes, you know,
Speaker 5: very very limited number of turnovers, especially in the red zone.
Speaker 5: I think the lowest rate of kind of unsuccessful red
Speaker 5: zone plays when it comes to miss field goals, turnovers
Speaker 5: and miss four down So you know, some of that,
Speaker 5: like you know, will tend to regress, especially when you
Speaker 5: get to the playoffs. I just I have this number
Speaker 5: at forty nine, So it's just a small small amount
Speaker 5: of value and you don't get much value in it
Speaker 5: in playoff game, especially with a limited sample. So to me,
Speaker 5: this is just more of a you know, just kind
Speaker 5: of a play on a number that I think is
Speaker 5: just too high for a playoff game in the fifties.
Speaker 1: Under Skins and Bucks primetime on Sunday as it should be, Dotty,
Speaker 1: what are you going.
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: I'm a little nervous to be honest after leave Da
Speaker 2: took the under, but I'm going over over clean. I
Speaker 2: hate to do it, especially because I respect your opinion,
Speaker 2: but I like, sorry, Well, sometimes even great people can
Speaker 2: be wrong. Sometimes. Look at you, Willie, a great guy,
Speaker 2: just listens like yourself, and you've been wrong on some things.
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about summer leagues, but whatever,
Speaker 2: here's what I'm going to say. What you're saying, Cleeve,
Speaker 2: And you're right, it is playoffs. It's a different ball.
Speaker 2: But this Tampa Bay defense is so horrendous. It's horrendous.
Speaker 2: They were Okay, there's a guy named Spencer Rattler. You
Speaker 2: may not have heard of him, but he is not
Speaker 2: an NFL quarterback. He's moving the ball up and down
Speaker 2: the field in the game. Tampa Bay absolutely has to
Speaker 2: have like blood and he's moving the ball up and
Speaker 2: downing on them. He's not an NFL quarterback. Okay, Now,
Speaker 2: the guy who's playing quarterback in Washington is an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 2: In fact, I would argue he's the biggest sensation there
Speaker 2: is right now. The guy. First of all, if he's
Speaker 2: not throwing as well as he did earlier in the year,
Speaker 2: we'll all grant you that since the injury has been saying.
Speaker 2: But if it's third and seven, he just runs out
Speaker 2: of there and scrambles for a first down. You can't
Speaker 2: stop this. It's it's maddening betting against him. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you that. So I just don't see how Tampa Bay
Speaker 2: is going to stop him. And then on the other
Speaker 2: side of the ball, I'm not impressed with Washington's defense.
Speaker 2: First of all, were they trying last week against Trey Lance,
Speaker 2: who's throwing third and seven outs? Oh a third and seven, yeah,
Speaker 2: no pressure, a first down, first down, Oh oh, here
Speaker 2: comes Dowdell for seventeen yards. Here comes some other guys,
Speaker 2: schooner Maker. They're making up names on the sidelines and
Speaker 2: they're bringing them in and they're just running for yardage
Speaker 2: against this red skinste I don't like anything about this
Speaker 2: Washington defense. Now, Gilly will tell you, He'll try to
Speaker 2: sell you something about their defense oh, it's this one
Speaker 2: and it's eighth. When you when the moon is out
Speaker 2: and the rain is this way and the sun is
Speaker 2: this way, it's the eighth best. Or you know, he
Speaker 2: comes up with stories and tell you about this team.
Speaker 2: They're not good on defense. Cut it out, Okay, they're
Speaker 2: just not and Tampa Bay is good on offense. So
Speaker 2: I am very scared to make this pick because leave Ta.
Speaker 2: I respect his opinion, but I have to do it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry over fifty in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: Wow, oppo oppo to start?
Speaker 5: No, I get it, I will say so. You tell me,
Speaker 5: Uh Gil is Tyler Baddish? Is he playing this week?
Speaker 5: Do you know?
Speaker 1: I do not know.
Speaker 5: I do not know because he's missed. He missed last
Speaker 5: week and he missed the game against New Orleans not coincidence.
Speaker 5: They allowed thirteen sacks for Jada, to Jade and Daniels
Speaker 5: in those two games without him. If he doesn't play,
Speaker 5: that that's that's problems versus Vinovea and that that defensive front.
Speaker 5: So that that's you know, that's my issue is just
Speaker 5: this Washington offense, as great as it is, just it's
Speaker 5: not the same in the second half of the year
Speaker 5: and it's a running offense, and you can't run on
Speaker 5: Tampa at all, so you're gonna force Daniels to throw it.
Speaker 5: He's not a guy who's gonna drop back fifty times
Speaker 5: and air it all out like this is not really
Speaker 5: his game. He's more of a you know, he does
Speaker 5: it with his legs and short passes. So anyway, I understand.
Speaker 5: It's just trust me. I'm I'm a little bit nervous
Speaker 5: about this one, but we got we got to pick something,
Speaker 5: so I agree with they haven't been as good lately.
Speaker 2: However, I just can't This Tampa defense is a joke
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Skins are optimistic that Marshawn Lattimore as a go though.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's the other that's Mike Evans's biggest rival.
Speaker 1: Right yep, mm hmm. Could be huge.
Speaker 2: By the way, I heard the ref that that stops
Speaker 2: the clock. Also at the end of the game, he's
Speaker 2: going to be working this thing too, so that could
Speaker 2: helpfully over too, just in case we need some points
Speaker 2: at the end.
Speaker 4: Driving a very nice car by the way, I don't
Speaker 4: know if that's related, but he has a very nice car.
Speaker 2: Hm hm m.
Speaker 1: We got Willie.
Speaker 4: I haven't picked this team much this year, but I'm
Speaker 4: picking them now. I am going to take the Washington
Speaker 4: commanders plus the three.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just don't believe that Tampa is much better than them.
Speaker 4: I don't know that they're better than them at all.
Speaker 4: I know Aaron shots at his DV away where he's
Speaker 4: got Washington ahead of Tampa. I do buy into some
Speaker 4: of Gillies. You could call it propaganda. That's maybe not
Speaker 4: the worst word. I don't think their defense is that bad.
Speaker 1: I think Daniel all I said was they're middling. They're
Speaker 1: not as horrific Hod makes them out.
Speaker 2: And I don't think that's what you said. I think
Speaker 2: what you said, well, on November twenty seventh, when it's
Speaker 2: a Wednesday and it's the sun comes up before seven
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, they're seventh against the run on
Speaker 2: those type of days, so that clearly makes a difference.
Speaker 4: According to Dvoa, I just like the points here. I
Speaker 4: think these teams are relatively even. I think Daniels is
Speaker 4: a star. I don't think the Washington defense is at
Speaker 4: bad and look at New Orleans, look at Tampa recently.
Speaker 4: Life and Death with New Orleans could have easily lost
Speaker 4: that game Okay, Washington was two a few weeks ago,
Speaker 4: but they lost to Dallas and Cooper rush on that Sunday, congrats,
Speaker 4: you won the NFC South. You beat the Saints and
Speaker 4: the Panthers and the Falcons, who the Falcons swept them,
Speaker 4: by the way. So I'm just not a believer in Tampa.
Speaker 4: I don't know that they have a great home field advantage.
Speaker 4: I will take the three here. Obviously, love the three
Speaker 4: and a half. I could easily see this being a
Speaker 4: field goal game the way. But give me Washington plus three.
Speaker 1: Let's go. I'm on the Rams. I bet them plus
Speaker 1: three early in the week.
Speaker 2: He loves they now. The only thing he loves more
Speaker 2: than Washington is the Rams. He loves the Rams. You
Speaker 2: love the Rams a bit minute.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling I can't get it out of
Speaker 1: my head that somehow the Rams might get to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl and not shake this feeling.
Speaker 2: Rams plus one is is that what we're doing? Rams
Speaker 2: plus one?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I yeah, Rams, I just yeah, plus
Speaker 1: the inbody but plus one. I like the Rams. I
Speaker 1: do think that that game. While Donald should not be
Speaker 1: judged as a whole for you know, body of work
Speaker 1: for the season, but that gave me a little bit
Speaker 1: of a spooky feeling about Sam Donald. And I think
Speaker 1: the Lions provided a blueprint right where they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you take you get more than three seconds to throw
Speaker 1: the football, more than anybody else in the NFL on average,
Speaker 1: Why don't we blitz and we'll gamble that our guys
Speaker 1: will get to you before our Manda Man coverage breaks down.
Speaker 1: And I think the Rams have the secondary components to
Speaker 1: do that, and I think they have the defense to
Speaker 1: do that, and I think they're gonna follow that. And
Speaker 1: I think they beat the Vikings, which I gotta say,
Speaker 1: Man fourteen and three, Like, if you asked the question
Speaker 1: who's got the most pressure on this week, maybe it's
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in the Ravens, but I think it's the
Speaker 1: Vikings fourteen and three in a flame out would be bad.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Already beat him once, So it's not so crazy.
Speaker 1: No, it's not crazy at all.
Speaker 5: Do you know what's crazy about that that first game.
Speaker 2: They blitz.
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously Flora's blitz is a ton. I think
Speaker 5: they blitzed Stafford like thirty five, like normal. Not a
Speaker 5: single pressure on those Blitzer, not one. You can believe that.
Speaker 5: I couldn't believe that when I saw that that you
Speaker 5: blitz all that. I mean, that's that's just a testament
Speaker 5: to McVeigh and just that they get the ball of
Speaker 5: his hands quick. They run the you know those quick
Speaker 5: screens to Nikua and I think you can see a
Speaker 5: lot of the same thing. I don't know if it's
Speaker 5: gonna work, but yeah, it's crazy that he got blitzed
Speaker 5: what twelve times in zero pressures on those woods, So
Speaker 5: that's gonna happen again. Then, yeah, the Vikings defense has.
Speaker 1: No shot Sea. Let me take a half time in
Speaker 1: our bets. Let me ask you if you had to
Speaker 1: vote for these awards now, I want to go through
Speaker 1: who you would vote for. I know you have bets.
Speaker 1: You got Kevin O'Connell twenty eight to one. You got
Speaker 1: other bets. But if you had a vote right now,
Speaker 1: let's go through Coach of the Year, you would give two.
Speaker 5: I'd give it to O'Connell, just exceeding expectations.
Speaker 1: I agree, Okay, Comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 5: We talked about it. It's to me it's slam dunk Burrow, Burrow.
Speaker 5: I don't think yeah, I gotta tell you so real quick,
Speaker 5: can I Can I just mention one thing because I
Speaker 5: heard these You had Jonathan on and he was making
Speaker 5: the case about kind of the other circumstances with Darnold
Speaker 5: with the award.
Speaker 1: Oh JVT Jonathan on Tobo, Yeah, JVT.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And I was gonna rip my hair out because
Speaker 5: he asked me the same thing on Twitter. I said, well,
Speaker 5: you know, to me, like they leave that open for interpretation,
Speaker 5: but like I just think, like like a baseline for
Speaker 5: that is okay, Let's say God forbid something like a
Speaker 5: Shavarius Ward with his daughter right passing away unexpectedly, you
Speaker 5: miss maybe half a season something like that, or your
Speaker 5: wife or your daughter has you know, an illness and
Speaker 5: you have to take time away and you miss a
Speaker 5: season something like that. To me, that's what that means.
Speaker 5: And when you come back from from something, that means
Speaker 5: you had to have already established something. You had to
Speaker 5: have already been good to come back to it, right,
Speaker 5: so you're already good, you get hurt or you're bad,
Speaker 5: and then you come back to being good again. If
Speaker 5: Carson Wentz signs with the team next year and has
Speaker 5: a Darnold season, he should win Comeback Player of the
Speaker 5: Year because he didn't come back from sucking. He was
Speaker 5: already good, had some down years and came back never good.
Speaker 5: What is he coming back from just being just being
Speaker 5: on the bench. That's what I don't understand. By definition,
Speaker 5: comeback means you're coming back to something that was already good.
Speaker 5: So anyway, it drives me insane.
Speaker 2: But I think Burrow.
Speaker 5: I'm actually kicking myself for not betting Burrow last week
Speaker 5: I plus money because I just you know, I wanted
Speaker 5: the Vikings to win. I want him to do well
Speaker 5: because of Koc. But that was I thought that was
Speaker 5: a great opportunity that passing up.
Speaker 1: They changed the guidelines. They changed the guidelines for Comeback
Speaker 1: Player of the Year clearly because they were a little
Speaker 1: embarrassed that Hamlin didn't win it. So other circumstances clearly
Speaker 1: is not intended for the player that does not have
Speaker 1: it's not special other circumstances. They should have a most
Speaker 1: improved player.
Speaker 5: It would solve everything, just just wells and then that's it.
Speaker 1: Aaron was on the show this morning and he says
Speaker 1: that's what's coming, that there's going to be a most
Speaker 1: improved player award maybe next year in large Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: but at least it was.
Speaker 5: Pretty straightforward. I mean, you're voting on one of these
Speaker 5: retread quarter packs that were bad historically and had had
Speaker 5: a big year. It's pretty obvious, you know, it's a
Speaker 5: clear delineation from you know, coming back from an injury.
Speaker 5: By the way, Borrow, Everyone's like that was like not
Speaker 5: a a major injury. Do you remember in the off
Speaker 5: season they're saying, no one's ever had a quarterback has
Speaker 5: never deal with that wrist injury before he couldn't grow
Speaker 5: up a football. There was a lot of question mark.
Speaker 5: So I disagree with with that notion too.
Speaker 1: All right, let's hear it, MVP.
Speaker 2: Wait before you go to MVP, before he goes to MVP,
Speaker 2: don't you have to say that the Joe Burrow comeback
Speaker 2: was the greatest comeback in the history of the National
Speaker 2: Football League, eclipsing Nat Moore in nineteen eighty seven from
Speaker 2: the DVOA statistics. You have to say it without laughing.
Speaker 2: You have to say it like you were at the Davos,
Speaker 2: you know conference or something.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Josh all Josh Allen, I just to me, he's the
Speaker 5: most feared, like he's just taking you know, as great
Speaker 5: as Lamar has been in his stats are awesome. And
Speaker 5: you got Derrick Henry, you know, you got Say Flowers.
Speaker 5: Who does I mean?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 5: The Bills have nothing. I mean, think about what we
Speaker 5: were talking about before the season. Everybody was projecting Buffalo
Speaker 5: to have a down year, not make the playoffs. It's
Speaker 5: a rebuild, and he's taken a bunch of you know,
Speaker 5: let's be Frank, Nobody's at receiver, and he's turned them
Speaker 5: into one of the elite offenses. I just think this
Speaker 5: is his year. I mean, Lamar is great, but and
Speaker 5: I do think there's some voter fatigue to vote a
Speaker 5: guy a third time when there's another great candidate there
Speaker 5: with a better record. So I think it's Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: I agree that if you take it, or if you
Speaker 1: remove this player from the team, I agree it would
Speaker 1: be it should be Josh Allen because I don't know
Speaker 1: if the Bills win three games. But I do think
Speaker 1: that fatigue is not a good enough reason, and I
Speaker 1: think that it would take a well, it would take
Speaker 1: just my prediction on the award, more than I think
Speaker 1: Alan Alan should win.
Speaker 5: But I think when you're predicting you.
Speaker 1: I do think if you have a player with and
Speaker 1: I don't. By the way, I have no idea who's
Speaker 1: gonna win. I think it's a coin flip. If I'm
Speaker 1: if I'm guessing what the which way the voters go.
Speaker 1: I think it's a complete coin flip. I just object
Speaker 1: to the the Allen fringe that says, oh, it's over.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely alan. It's like, wait a minute, this guy
Speaker 1: had the fourth highest passer rating of all time, forty
Speaker 1: one and four. No one's ever done more than forty
Speaker 1: and fewer than five picks. He leads in QBR in
Speaker 1: you know all these other stats, quarter touchdown percentage, air yards,
Speaker 1: net air yards, on and on and on and on.
Speaker 1: It's like four thousand passing, nine hundred rushing never been
Speaker 1: done before. Like at some point, it's so overwhelming where
Speaker 1: you're like, uh, okay, maybe I shouldn't be that fifteen. Well.
Speaker 5: The only thing is, you know EPA, which some people
Speaker 5: care about, some people don't. But it's it's kind of
Speaker 5: an all in one metric, advanced metric that I mean,
Speaker 5: he leads. Josh Allen is number one in that metric.
Speaker 5: So in terms of like value points, added, because what
Speaker 5: he does more than anybody is on third and fourth thounds,
Speaker 5: you can't stop him, like it's it's a guaranteed first down,
Speaker 5: and he's just been impossible to stop. And as great
Speaker 5: I said, as great as Lamar is, like you know,
Speaker 5: when you're piling up five touchdowns against the against the Giants,
Speaker 5: no names on defense and piling up you know, Q,
Speaker 5: you know, helping your QV rating in that regard, And
Speaker 5: I don't want it. It feels like I'm you know,
Speaker 5: denigrating Lamar. Is that a great year?
Speaker 1: Like I'm not.
Speaker 5: It's absolutely not in that case. But I think from
Speaker 5: a value perspective, and just the fact that, like I said,
Speaker 5: e p A like accounts for all of that, and
Speaker 5: his plays have been you know, high leverage, most valuable
Speaker 5: from a points added perspective, so it kind of it
Speaker 5: kind of does take that into the consideration. So I
Speaker 5: worked he would have played that last game, sitting that
Speaker 5: sitting that last game, I think he would have won
Speaker 5: the award if he played and just had a normal
Speaker 5: Josh Allen game. I thought, I think he'd be a
Speaker 5: wider a wider favorite.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, for every argument, there's a counter, right, Ravens
Speaker 1: crushed the Bills. Ravens had the hardest schedule of all
Speaker 1: the playoff games, you know, and we're going for I
Speaker 1: think it's very close, is what I'm saying. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: don't know. I have no idea who's going to win.
Speaker 1: The only thing I know is that you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: minus if you had the jet right now minus. The
Speaker 1: only thing I know is that minus four ninety should
Speaker 1: not be the on Josh All. That's all. But I
Speaker 1: have no idea who's going to win, no idea who's
Speaker 1: gonna should be more.
Speaker 3: Jerry McLaurin getting overlooked in this debate.
Speaker 5: Yes, he's a buck guy.
Speaker 2: I love it about Blarry Bonds. Barry Bonds is the
Speaker 2: only guy who hit seventy three homers and have forty
Speaker 2: two touchdowns with no interceptions? What about him?
Speaker 1: Is Joe Gibbs available for this?
Speaker 3: The Uh?
Speaker 1: You know what the voters had to do. The voters
Speaker 1: this year had to go five spots for every one
Speaker 1: of these awards, So they literally had to write in
Speaker 1: five comeback Player of the Year candidates. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: why do we need it?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: TA Offensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's easy.
Speaker 1: What about defensive Player of the Year and defensive rookie year.
Speaker 5: Defensive player of the Year to be is the hardest.
Speaker 1: I think a J w Mat where are you come on?
Speaker 2: The stars of him come on and he comes off
Speaker 2: the edgine.
Speaker 1: Now you gotta love him.
Speaker 5: I guess I'll pertain and I think he's gonna win
Speaker 5: only because I think DJ Watt may not be top
Speaker 5: three in all last name with Hendrickson, but certain will
Speaker 5: be top two I think in every ballot.
Speaker 2: So I think he wins it.
Speaker 5: I don't honestly, it's the worst defensive player of the
Speaker 5: Year list that I can call for good. And then
Speaker 5: what was the other one offensive off the rookie is
Speaker 5: James Daniels has down defensive rookie. I'll go with Jared
Speaker 5: Verse just because kind of the default, and you know,
Speaker 5: I think he's he's had from a pass rush win rate,
Speaker 5: that's for Todd. I think he's like one of the
Speaker 5: top five in the entire league. So for a rookie,
Speaker 5: I give him credit, and he's got he doesn't have
Speaker 5: Aaron Donald next to him to create you know, one
Speaker 5: on ones. He's kind of doing himself. So I'll take Verse.
Speaker 1: There Okay, I think I got told. Okay, oh coach
Speaker 1: of the year.
Speaker 5: Oh you said O'Connell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, your second pick, sir is Gea.
Speaker 5: Well, it depends.
Speaker 1: What what is uh?
Speaker 5: What is the Houston l A line right now? It's
Speaker 5: kind of in between.
Speaker 1: I got it's toggling back between two and a half
Speaker 1: and three all week long. It's two and a half
Speaker 1: increased juice, three reduced juice. So what do we give
Speaker 1: them here?
Speaker 5: Well, I'll take that, Okay, I'll just take the texts.
Speaker 5: I can give me three. I'll take the texts pretty
Speaker 5: pretty key.
Speaker 2: There's enough threes out it's fair to give them the three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh, you know, I don't.
Speaker 5: Love this Texas team. I just think we're everyone's down
Speaker 5: on them obviously, but I mean, look, they they got
Speaker 5: blown out by the Ravens, maybe the best team in football.
Speaker 5: They lose to the Chiefs, like you know, after they
Speaker 5: lose taint Dell. They're actually, you know, right in that game,
Speaker 5: they could have won that game on the road. So
Speaker 5: you have a couple of you know, kind of recent
Speaker 5: poor performances, you know, tough circumstances against really good teams.
Speaker 5: I don't I wouldn't hold that totally against them. They're
Speaker 5: the one thing that you know, not the one thing,
Speaker 5: but they're They're awful running the football, especially on early downs.
Speaker 5: Bobby Slowick just refuses to do anything but run the
Speaker 5: ball up the middle, with Joe Mixon th dead last
Speaker 5: and success rate. Now, the one thing that the Chargers
Speaker 5: do the worst is they can't stop the run. They
Speaker 5: use light boxes at the highest rate in the NFL,
Speaker 5: so they're one of the worst teams in terms of
Speaker 5: yards after contacts. So I think Joe Mixon could have
Speaker 5: a good game here and it'll set them up for
Speaker 5: better kind of third down in situations than like a
Speaker 5: third and eight or ten that C. J. Stroud's used to.
Speaker 5: And then you know his offensive line can't block a
Speaker 5: stunt and you get sacked. So I think he's got
Speaker 5: that better opportunities. I just think that the numbers inflated.
Speaker 5: I mean, just three weeks ago, Houston goes into KC
Speaker 5: and they were three point underdogs. Now they're three point
Speaker 5: underdogs at home to the Chargers. It doesn't compute at all.
Speaker 5: So from a rating standpoint, this should be much closer
Speaker 5: to a pick. So I think a home dog dogs.
Speaker 5: I don't want to use historical trends, but they are
Speaker 5: money in the bank in the wildcard round, like almost
Speaker 5: seventy percent in the last twenty five years. We see
Speaker 5: it every year where these kind of short home dogs
Speaker 5: that no one wants to touch ends up either covering
Speaker 5: or just winning outright. So I just think with the
Speaker 5: three Houston makes a lot of sense here.
Speaker 1: Houston Texans eight years in the playoffs, eight years in
Speaker 1: the early Saturday time slote in the playoffs. By the way,
Speaker 1: just let me just throw this in here, artist strength
Speaker 1: of schedule of the fourteen playoff teams Green Bay aggregate
Speaker 1: opponents win percentage five thirty three. That obviously has a
Speaker 1: lot to do with the fact that they play both
Speaker 1: the Lions and Vikings twice fifteen and two and fourteen
Speaker 1: and three. Easiest strength of schedule when all a said
Speaker 1: none Washington for thirty six that schedule. What about strength
Speaker 1: of victory? The best strength of victory Baltimore five twenty
Speaker 1: five aggregate win percentage of the teams they've beaten. The
Speaker 1: worst strength of victory the Los Angeles Chargers three forty eight.
Speaker 1: They've beaten No.
Speaker 5: Two and five versus playoff teams straight up. Yeah, the
Speaker 5: only two wins were against Denver, so they beat up
Speaker 5: their bullies. They beat up on the bad teams. But
Speaker 5: you know, Houston's got a really good defense too. They
Speaker 5: got two awesome edge rushers. Derek Stingley can lock up
Speaker 5: mcconkeye like. It's not gonna be a you know, a cakewalk.
Speaker 5: It's I mean, nineteen eighteen seems very plausible for kind
Speaker 5: of a weird wild card score.
Speaker 1: Toddy number two.
Speaker 2: I just like the cleave. Ta said that the Chargers
Speaker 2: play a light box, and then I was wondering what
Speaker 2: Willie would think about that, because he likes to think
Speaker 2: about light boxes, you know, so I thought that would
Speaker 2: be interesting. And I'm sorry I had to do it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm incorrigible. I should be thrown off this
Speaker 2: podcast ready. Anyways, I sort of had to just for Willy.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, what do eatans guys have for
Speaker 2: the Stillers against the Ravens. What's the point spread in
Speaker 2: that game?
Speaker 1: What does yiens guys have It is nine and a
Speaker 1: half or ten kind of equal? What do you see?
Speaker 3: More toggling? A lot of toggling going on.
Speaker 2: I'll go, I'll go first, what would you what would
Speaker 2: you make it?
Speaker 4: Will?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 1: You tell us what you want, then we'll tell you
Speaker 1: what you can have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna but we went with pretty.
Speaker 2: It's pretty you want?
Speaker 3: You're taking the points here?
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think?
Speaker 2: Still Stiller's plus ten.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at my I'm giving nine and a half
Speaker 5: painted right now all across? Am I missing that?
Speaker 2: I don't see Maker Maker has Bookmaker has ten, Oakmaker.
Speaker 1: Has ten, and online bet online has ten also? Okay,
Speaker 1: so what's the.
Speaker 3: What? So?
Speaker 2: What am I getting here? What's the official number?
Speaker 1: If nine and a half is painted in most places?
Speaker 1: If not, all you know, we'll go nine and.
Speaker 2: A half and I'll take nine and a half. Whatever, Uh,
Speaker 2: give me the Stillers plus the nine and a half
Speaker 2: and that well, I just want to make I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I didn't know what online a book you read that?
Speaker 5: Go ahead, I'm good with that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Cleave's giving me the ten, so I'm taking the ten.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just say that. I guess the Pittsburgh stores
Speaker 2: there was a famous coach ins might have heard of,
Speaker 2: Donna Air and Cardinal Land Dennis Green. He inst to
Speaker 2: say that is Cardinals, or or the tre Bears, or
Speaker 2: who we thought they were. You remember that the whole deal. Well, look,
Speaker 2: the Stillers are who we thought they were. You can't
Speaker 2: blame tom Win for his own success. If you walked
Speaker 2: into this season and you said the stores are gonna
Speaker 2: be ten and three, people would say you're on heroin.
Speaker 2: The Stillers aren't gonna be ten and three. Okay, it's
Speaker 2: just not gonna happen. But he did some magic like
Speaker 2: he always does. He wins with Duck Hodges sometimes he
Speaker 2: does crazy stuff. He got it to ten and three.
Speaker 2: Then the schedule started. That was the preseason. Then we
Speaker 2: got into the regular season against rural teams. You play
Speaker 2: the Eagles, you play the Baltimore Ray, you play it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you play down at Acker. Sure, if
Speaker 2: it's freezing cold, we can't catch the ball. We got pickings.
Speaker 2: He's not doing nothing. The bottom line is now you
Speaker 2: play real teams and you get beat Okay, I understand
Speaker 2: nothing's changed. Can we stop with all the Tomlin's a
Speaker 2: genius in the first thirteen weeks and now he's an
Speaker 2: idiot in the last four weeks. No. If I would
Speaker 2: have told YenS before the season they're gonna be ten
Speaker 2: and three after thirteen games. Yin's all would have said,
Speaker 2: coach of the year. They don't even have a quarterback
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson eight hundred years old. Justin Fields. I don't
Speaker 2: know what he does besides go back and run. It's ridiculous. Okay,
Speaker 2: here's the deal. Steelers plus ten it's too many. Even remember,
Speaker 2: every Ravens Steelers game before the last one is a
Speaker 2: two or three point game. I think we talked about
Speaker 2: that ad nauseum on the megapod about how every single
Speaker 2: game is a three point game. Going back, ad you know,
Speaker 2: if you go even if you ask Aaron Shottz, what
Speaker 2: was the score of the Ravens game against the Steelers
Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty seven, he goes, oh, that was the
Speaker 2: third best of all time played in nineteen twenty seven.
Speaker 2: The score was nineteen sixteen. So one time the Steelers
Speaker 2: get blown out and by the way, they didn't even
Speaker 2: really get blown out. It was twenty four seventeen or
Speaker 2: it was thirty one twenty, but I forget exactly what
Speaker 2: the score was. And then I said Ravens under three
Speaker 2: and a half more and then Willie texted back, oh,
Speaker 2: that I do only agree with that pick, and of
Speaker 2: course there was a pick six. So he laughs at
Speaker 2: my stupid bed, Thank you, Willy. The bottom line, he goes,
Speaker 2: I don't like that pick. Yeah, well, good, good, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't like it either. Now, so the point is,
Speaker 2: though it was a seven point game, even in the blowout,
Speaker 2: it was a seven point game with thirteen minutes left
Speaker 2: in the game. So now you're going to tell me
Speaker 2: that the Pittsburgh Steelers, who have lost the last four
Speaker 2: and they should have lost the last four, you're telling
Speaker 2: me they can't stay within ten of the Ravens. Come on, now,
Speaker 2: you're going too far. Ten is just too much. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm the first one to go don Acker, sure and
Speaker 2: tellians it's a big problem. We gotta have problems all
Speaker 2: over the ball. But ten points in a Store Raven game,
Speaker 2: You're getting crazy. It's too much. Store's plus ten.
Speaker 1: I'm getting. I'm getting this. Just this would be such
Speaker 1: a He goes, what I hearing?
Speaker 2: Do you guys agree with me? Or am I totally
Speaker 2: off my rocker here? It's a lot, it's a lot.
Speaker 4: It's probably too many, but I'm not I'm not cutting
Speaker 4: in line to bet that team the way they're playing.
Speaker 3: But I get your premise it is. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: they played what three weeks ago and it was six
Speaker 3: and a half seven.
Speaker 1: So yes, I get it out as I guess seven
Speaker 1: and a half based on that line that Will's talking about.
Speaker 1: Ten ten seems like a lot, though there is the
Speaker 1: looming specter of the Mike Tomlin concession punt, so how
Speaker 1: that goes? But somehow to cover?
Speaker 5: Yeah, last week is like, is he sabotaging that offense?
Speaker 1: What is he doing?
Speaker 5: I've never seen someone have such a bad game that
Speaker 5: he had last week.
Speaker 3: Oh, he was horrible Saturday night.
Speaker 2: It was terrible.
Speaker 4: He re.
Speaker 2: Pickens was very upset that he was getting charged over
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars to park his card down Eric Akercher,
Speaker 2: and that's what he was really upset about.
Speaker 1: Eric Akrocher.
Speaker 3: Willie, I'm with you, Gilly. I like the Rams here.
Speaker 3: I just think it's a tough spot for the Vikings.
Speaker 4: I think it's very similar to the middle of the
Speaker 4: regular season where the Vikings play the Lions tough, physical game,
Speaker 4: then had to turn around and play the Rams and
Speaker 4: it didn't go well. I just think the difference between
Speaker 4: being the one and the five is going to be
Speaker 4: something that's going to be very hard to overcome psychologically.
Speaker 4: I know it's dangerous sit here to play amateur psychologists,
Speaker 4: but these teams are pretty even. I know the Rams
Speaker 4: don't have a great home field, but Stafford, a veteran quarterback,
Speaker 4: can kind of detect what Flores is doing from a
Speaker 4: blitz standpoint, and that is a big part of beating
Speaker 4: this Vikings defense. In that first matchup, he had ninety
Speaker 4: completions and four touchdown passes. He carved minnesot up Donald.
Speaker 4: If any if ten of that performance carries over to
Speaker 4: this week, they're cooked. I just think this is a
Speaker 4: bad spot for Minnesota, and teams have not done well
Speaker 4: the week after facing Detroit, which makes sense. Tough physical
Speaker 4: game takes your toll, takes their toll on you, takes
Speaker 4: its toll on you. The endless wings with Applebee's those
Speaker 4: those can fill you up pretty quickly. Rams are gonna
Speaker 4: be moving on here, I think.
Speaker 1: And I am gonna piggyback on Cleave's take on the
Speaker 1: Texas Houston Texans plus three a lot based on what
Speaker 1: I was talking about strength of victory. The Chargers have
Speaker 1: beaten Newbody, Newbody and I do think that as bad
Speaker 1: as Houston's form has been, I think they're getting a
Speaker 1: little bit disrespected here. Home dog first playoff game, you
Speaker 1: do a lot worse long term, you know, not betting
Speaker 1: on that kind of thing. I think that's the way
Speaker 1: to go. Houston plus three is the play for me.
Speaker 1: Number two.
Speaker 5: I forgot to mention the Chargers are on this is
Speaker 5: a third straight road game, yes as well, you know
Speaker 5: that matter, especially for a West Coast team. I mean,
Speaker 5: you're you know, it's not not even all the way
Speaker 5: they went all the way to New England back obviously
Speaker 5: the Vegas is not very far, but now you got
Speaker 5: to go to Texas. It's not that and it's a
Speaker 5: short week too. You're playing one at one last day
Speaker 5: on your third straight road game. Not not a good
Speaker 5: spot here.
Speaker 1: It's also the Chargers appear to be a games scripty team.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily have the evidence to back that up,
Speaker 1: but it feels like they're a much I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: everybody's different when you're a header behind, but for them
Speaker 1: in particular, I think they can afford to play their
Speaker 1: style of football. Went ahead, but if they fall down
Speaker 1: in a game, they fall behind. I think they sort
Speaker 1: of lose character at that point, and so I like
Speaker 1: the Texans plus the points give me a point teaser,
Speaker 1: which I have sucked royally on this year.
Speaker 2: But I think it's not really fair to criticize the
Speaker 2: playoff teasers. Do you have so few games to pick front?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm not talking about playffs. Some talk about
Speaker 1: just my regular season performance was terrible, but there might
Speaker 1: be an obvious one here. At least there was earlier
Speaker 1: in the week. Now it's kind of teaser protection. Y
Speaker 1: what do you got if you had to do one,
Speaker 1: what do you got?
Speaker 5: You know, I'll take the pack I know this is
Speaker 5: not a long teat. I'll take the Packers up to
Speaker 5: ten and a half. I think that game's gonna be
Speaker 5: a little closer. We have no idea of hurts. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna play. But first games off concussion
Speaker 5: historically aren't great. So I think the Packers, you know,
Speaker 5: even though they're not they've struggled and lost to a
Speaker 5: bunch of good teams. They don't get blown out for
Speaker 5: the most part. So I'll take the Packers there. And
Speaker 5: then on the other end, yeah, well I can't. I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna use the Texans because I already use them,
Speaker 5: So I'll just take I think the Vikings win, but
Speaker 5: I'll take the Rams.
Speaker 2: You know, up to seven.
Speaker 1: And I just I said this Monday on Guessing Line,
Speaker 1: so I feel compelled to say it here. They say
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts will be at practice today as he returns
Speaker 1: from his concussion per Nick Sirianni. So they expect Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts at practice, which to me was just sort of
Speaker 1: being glossed over. Everyone's like, yeah, he's playing. It appears
Speaker 1: that he will play. Jason Wygarden made the point, Yeah,
Speaker 1: even if he does play, he's still coming off with concussion. Sure,
Speaker 1: he's going to be all there, And I think that
Speaker 1: does need to be said by somebody where it's like
Speaker 1: we shouldn't really assume. So anyway, it looks like Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts is to go for that game.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, especially if you have the nefarious
Speaker 4: belief that had he's not really good to go, but
Speaker 4: they're gonna sneak him through because it's a playoff game.
Speaker 3: Well that's the right.
Speaker 1: Oh well, if that's the case, I've thought about that too.
Speaker 1: What was it Green Bay with who was it ta rams?
Speaker 5: I had the rams, okay, because it gets it to
Speaker 5: set right.
Speaker 2: I think Cleve just talked me into Green Bay plus
Speaker 2: ten and a half too. I kind of don't see
Speaker 2: them getting blown out. Uh so I'll go with Green
Speaker 2: Bay plus ten and a half two, and.
Speaker 1: Just to be.
Speaker 2: Different, I'll go with the Comman Deers plus nine. I
Speaker 2: don't really see I don't see the Tampa Bay beating anybody.
Speaker 2: By the way, this is the same Tampa Bay team
Speaker 2: that almost lost to the Cowboys a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: And we were losing the.
Speaker 2: Cowboys, all right. They lost the Cowboys lost the right,
Speaker 2: they lost the Cowboys, and then they were losing sixteen
Speaker 2: to six to a guy named Spencer Rattler. This is
Speaker 2: not a great team.
Speaker 1: Maybe you haven't heard of him before.
Speaker 2: Maybe you haven't heard of mister Rattler, but he was
Speaker 2: nondescripted Oklahoma as well.
Speaker 5: By the way, the Bucks deserve to lose. Maybe I'm
Speaker 5: an island. That whole Mike Evans charade at the end,
Speaker 5: the fact that your playoff lives are at stake and
Speaker 5: you're some bogus, you know, swing pack. It could have
Speaker 5: been tipped the line and picks like you just I
Speaker 5: don't care if it's a one percent chance, Like what
Speaker 5: are you doing? And it's such a manufactured way to
Speaker 5: for a milestone that like no one's going to even
Speaker 5: remember in a week, Like I don't know. The whole
Speaker 5: thing rubbed me the wrong way, you know, I just
Speaker 5: that thing bothered me. So again people tell you on
Speaker 5: Twitter for having that opinion. So maybe I'm not an island.
Speaker 2: It's the WWE ification that I'm talking about. You're making
Speaker 2: my point exactly for me that I belabored for ten
Speaker 2: minutes on this podcast that would never go down.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I know there was that time with Strahan and Brett
Speaker 2: fav which was also abhorrent, But this is ridiculous, Like
Speaker 2: you said, they should be taking a knee and they're
Speaker 2: throwing passes to get like bonuses. This is it's getting WWE.
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Can you imagine if that gets tipped,
Speaker 1: they take it to the house, they get the two
Speaker 1: point conversion and the Saints win in overtime. That's not
Speaker 1: Bucks seating, that's Bucks make or miss playoffs.
Speaker 2: That would be great. That would be like all.
Speaker 1: Time everything for decades to come. It would be covering.
Speaker 5: Yes, people, they're like, loosen up, loosen up, it's a
Speaker 5: great milestone, they're so happy for. I'm like, no, that
Speaker 5: is separate from the situation you're in. The Only thing
Speaker 5: that matters is taking a knee and winning the game
Speaker 5: to go to the playoffs. It's not and it's not
Speaker 5: like you know, Atlanta was down two touchdowns at the
Speaker 5: end and okay, you're they're probably gonna lose.
Speaker 2: Anyway, the game was tied.
Speaker 5: I think the I think that one of the teams
Speaker 5: was attempting a field goal to take the lead. It
Speaker 5: was just to me, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Speaker 5: I was like, that doesn't take away from Mike Evans
Speaker 5: being great. I think he's a Hall of Famer all
Speaker 5: those sorts of things. You just didn't need to do
Speaker 5: that at that stage of the game. That could have
Speaker 5: anything fluky could have happened. So anyway, I just thought
Speaker 5: that was that was absurd.
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, they have to change these these
Speaker 2: incentive clauses. Didn't you get like three million dollars for
Speaker 2: that or something.
Speaker 1: Three million, three million?
Speaker 2: Right? So what now we're going to play the whole
Speaker 2: and this is what Cleve was talking about when when
Speaker 2: he said, oh, well, you know everyone's gambling and the
Speaker 2: props and everything, and that's probably what's going on at
Speaker 2: these end of games why people are trying to score touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's Laye Kiffin rama over there, right,
Speaker 2: because now everybody's friend said, oh, well, you know I
Speaker 2: got Derek Henry. He scored two touchdowns, so he now
Speaker 2: he has to try to get another touchdown. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's ruining the game. It still has to be a
Speaker 2: game first. And if you're losing the what's the word
Speaker 2: I'm looking for, Gil, if you're losing the integrity, integrity,
Speaker 2: integrity of the football game because of the are we
Speaker 2: playing for? The stats up with exactly? I'm sorry I
Speaker 2: couldn't come.
Speaker 1: Up with that, But the point is.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with By the way I couldn't agree
Speaker 2: with Cleve Moore. It's that is an embarrassment and a stain.
Speaker 1: Did you did you get what he was really saying?
Speaker 1: That that was the word you couldn't come up with,
Speaker 1: like of all the words in the English language that
Speaker 1: you were.
Speaker 2: He can throw he wants to throw stones.
Speaker 1: Let me again, you see there's this word integrity.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. You can go back and check all the picks.
Speaker 2: You can go back and see the whole thing. You
Speaker 2: guys can just cast this persions. Go ahead. It's it's okay.
Speaker 2: Look when you're on the top of the hill, this
Speaker 2: is what happens to you.
Speaker 3: Rams up, bills down. I think the bill's role is
Speaker 3: is it eight and a half or nine?
Speaker 1: Am?
Speaker 3: I am?
Speaker 4: I going to push on a three? Either way, I'm
Speaker 4: still going with bills. I think they win this game
Speaker 4: pretty comfortably.
Speaker 1: Rams commandos.
Speaker 2: Wait, so wait will he's going with Rams?
Speaker 3: And who bills.
Speaker 2: Bills from nine down to three?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Fine?
Speaker 3: Says he's going to be texting all you can't do
Speaker 3: it's not a long Okay.
Speaker 2: It's come on, it's ridiculous. It's the playoffs. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: What do you have, Gilly Rams, Commodores?
Speaker 2: Do's you're with me?
Speaker 5: Will you?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Okay? Rams plus seven and commodes plus nine?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Got it all right?
Speaker 1: Final two questions each and every megapod from the inception
Speaker 1: over a decade ago. You believe this podcast is fourteen
Speaker 1: years old? Good god? Now everybody has a podcast. Here
Speaker 1: we go, which of the big favorites is the most
Speaker 1: likely to lose outright, Do we even have enough candidates here?
Speaker 1: Your candidates are? Is that we do? Your candidates are
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravines and nine and a half or ten
Speaker 1: point favorites hosting the Steelers, the Bills nine and a
Speaker 1: half point favorites at home against the Broncos. Just those two.
Speaker 1: If I came to you from the future, TA and
Speaker 1: I said one of those two lost, the Ravens are
Speaker 1: the Bills. The answer is, I'll say.
Speaker 5: Ravens only because Tomlin Voodoo has got magical powers that
Speaker 5: nobody else does, so that's the only the only way
Speaker 5: it happens. But I'll take that one.
Speaker 2: God, I couldn't agree more. I think the Insers, who
Speaker 2: would really be shocked if the Insers did what they
Speaker 2: always do against Lamar Jackson and pulls it out of
Speaker 2: their ass. It's certainly more It's certainly more likely than
Speaker 2: bone Knicks, you know. Give me a break with the
Speaker 2: bone Knicks stuff. I'm tired of hearing about. He's not
Speaker 2: that good, folks. He's good, but he's not. I love
Speaker 2: how people like jumping for Joe bone Nicks. He's so
Speaker 2: great he's okay, okay, let's not get crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say Ravens too.
Speaker 4: And if Lamar does pull one of these stinkers again
Speaker 4: and loses like a nineteen thirteen game, geez, he's gonna
Speaker 4: have a long offseason.
Speaker 3: But I think Baltimore gets by this game. But Baltimore
Speaker 3: would be the one, just because these games can be
Speaker 3: a little squirrely.
Speaker 1: I'll only say the Bills because I think the Bills.
Speaker 2: Would.
Speaker 1: The Bills are susceptible to the one, the one. There's
Speaker 1: one player they can't lose. Axiom of this, which is,
Speaker 1: if something happens to Josh Allen, god forbid, they're the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Without Josh Allen, then they're not even a
Speaker 1: playoff team. So I'll just say the Bills only based
Speaker 1: on that, which I know is a weird way to
Speaker 1: do it, but I'll say that. And then there's six games,
Speaker 1: obviously super Wildcar Weekend. If you had to bet a
Speaker 1: side ta on five of them, but you got one
Speaker 1: free pass, what's the game you want no part.
Speaker 5: Of, I'll say I'll say the Bills, Broncos, Doddie.
Speaker 2: M Chargers, Texans, just because I kind of agree with
Speaker 2: all of you guys about the Texans, but you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just don't like that game.
Speaker 1: Wilsons Eagles, Packers.
Speaker 3: I know the Packers upside, but man, it's been ugly
Speaker 3: the past couple of weeks. I have no feel for
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 1: I'm Eagles Packers too, man, I just don't know. The
Speaker 1: Packers to me, are of all the fourteen playoff teams
Speaker 1: the widest variants of outcomes for me, Like, I will
Speaker 1: not be surprised if they're awesome. I will not be
Speaker 1: surprised if they get beat by thirty will they could
Speaker 1: be either. I will say that for that reason. TA Anyway, there's.
Speaker 5: Been sorry, there's been one underdog that has won outright
Speaker 5: and fifteen of the past seventeen wildcard rounds, so there's
Speaker 5: probably someone maybe we're not thinking about, but maybe it's
Speaker 5: just the Commanders. But there's always at least one big
Speaker 5: underdog upset. So I can't wait to see who it is.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. T A, are you doing your football
Speaker 1: preview again next year?
Speaker 5: I am put a lot. I mean, it's it's been
Speaker 5: helping on the for the future side of things, so
Speaker 5: it didn't help me in season, but it helped me
Speaker 5: prior to the season get to some good futures. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm kind of I'm kind of obligated now to keep
Speaker 5: doing it as long as I can so, and I'll
Speaker 5: have it slay Off a modified playoff preview by tonight
Speaker 5: or tomorrow morning too, not the extent of the preseason,
Speaker 5: but just kind of a one pager on each team
Speaker 5: with some some nuggets and some season one stats for
Speaker 5: I'll send out over Twitter as well, So look for.
Speaker 2: That all right.
Speaker 1: That's c L e v t A on Twitter at
Speaker 1: Cleveanalytics dot com. That's up and running as well, right
Speaker 1: with all your stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, just kind of breakdown of every game and
Speaker 5: you know, the DFS information in there, a bunch of
Speaker 5: tools and stuff. So yeah, check it out if interested.
Speaker 1: You're so appreciate it. Will Hill not not the Will
Speaker 1: Hill on Twitter, should a bit more podcast. Who's your
Speaker 1: latest guest to.
Speaker 4: Will Brad Powers today? Aaron Shotts coming up on Friday?
Speaker 4: It was actually I didn't know you had him on
Speaker 4: a Numbers game. I was supposed to have them on
Speaker 4: last week. You didn't have power, So I apologize for, uh,
Speaker 4: I don't know, stepping on your guests.
Speaker 3: But oh check it out.
Speaker 2: That's a.
Speaker 1: By the way, let me just tell you, I hope
Speaker 1: you have more luck getting out because you know he's
Speaker 1: a voter. I the ground rules were kind of like,
Speaker 1: he's not going to tell me who we voted for.
Speaker 1: We're just going to talk around it.
Speaker 3: He'd be a good mobster man. You're not getting anything
Speaker 3: out of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting, nonetheless, and then Todd Wishnev at
Speaker 1: t wish Nev on Twitter start of the Showtime docu
Speaker 1: series Action, Who is still accepting college basketball people?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but I just don't get around to putting
Speaker 2: them in. But one day I'll get motivated and I'll
Speaker 2: put everybody in. But you know, is Drew dinta going
Speaker 2: to be able to do his megapod because it seems
Speaker 2: like Los Angeles is burning down.
Speaker 1: Drew is doing the Australian Open pre draw with me
Speaker 1: in a half hour, but he is very busy with
Speaker 1: other stuff and other stuff. I don't know. It might
Speaker 1: include that we had Jason on Jason lives in Glendale.
Speaker 1: He was like, touch and go for a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's fine though, Yeah, oh he'll be fine, And yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he's fine. Long man, that is some terrible That
Speaker 1: is some scary stuff. All right, check me out numbers
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Speaker 1: Good luck with all your super wildcar weekend bets. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening.
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