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Speaker 3: Welcome to episode number four forty of the Marine Layer Podcast.
Speaker 3: We will welcome on our friends ty Dame Gonzalez and
Speaker 3: Kolby Patnode from the Lockdown Mariners podcast for a bit
Speaker 3: of a crossover episode. We'll talk about the current state
Speaker 3: of the Mariners and what's up for the rest of
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Speaker 3: Let's get it rolling and you go feach. This episode
Speaker 3: of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball
Speaker 3: podcast network, recording here on Thursday evening, August sixth I'll
Speaker 3: say it again, the Mariners have reached a new flow.
Speaker 1: And what's funny is they have a chance to dig
Speaker 1: themselves than the new low. I said this just the
Speaker 1: other day. I said it.
Speaker 2: I think talking to Tyan Kolby.
Speaker 1: Which we'll get to, this is the easiest series on
Speaker 1: their schedule for the month of August. This one the
Speaker 1: Detroit Tigers may be the easiest remaining series on their
Speaker 1: schedule in the month of August, and against the team
Speaker 1: that's sold at the deadline and is three games under
Speaker 1: five hundred. The Mariners managed to get outscored nineteen to
Speaker 1: nothing in their two losses and zero combined extra base hits.
Speaker 2: Yep, is that bad?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's horrific. The old they used to say
Speaker 1: on Sports Center all the time, is that bad, it's
Speaker 1: not good?
Speaker 2: Well, this is just straight up horrific.
Speaker 1: No extra base hits, getting outscored nineteen to nothing against
Speaker 1: again against a team that, like, you know, they were
Speaker 1: supposed to face Trek Scoobel in this series. That's why
Speaker 1: they won the game on Wednesday, because instead of Scooball,
Speaker 1: the Tigers had to piece themselves together a bullpen game,
Speaker 1: and the Mariners found a way to gratch a couple
Speaker 1: runs late on a big three run bomb from Julio
Speaker 1: and a little insurance from Colt Emerson which was a
Speaker 1: really nice wing left on left.
Speaker 2: But dude, if they've.
Speaker 1: Based Schooble in this series, it's a sweep. Like they
Speaker 1: ain't scoring off Schooble.
Speaker 3: Remember when I said on Wednesday's episode, like the deadline
Speaker 3: is supposed to like inject some life into your team. Like,
Speaker 3: all right, guys, here we go. We got some new players.
Speaker 3: It's time to play our best baseball. Well, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: call what we watched in the three games this week
Speaker 3: anywhere near the best baseball the Mariners could possibly play.
Speaker 3: In fact, it might have been the worst they've played.
Speaker 3: And we just keep saying it over and over again.
Speaker 3: This is the worst. This is rock bottom. It can't
Speaker 3: get any it can't possibly get any worse than this.
Speaker 3: And then you have your two new additions. Taylor Ward
Speaker 3: goes two for ten. Sir Anthony Devengez pitches a third
Speaker 3: of an inning the entire series, gives up two home
Speaker 3: runs four total runs, doesn't even finish his own inning.
Speaker 3: The Mariners could outscored twenty one to four to a
Speaker 3: seller in Major League Baseball, and it.
Speaker 2: Just looks awful. It looks just even worse.
Speaker 3: Every single time this happens, it looks even worse than
Speaker 3: the previous time. Like this day game here on Wednesday
Speaker 3: looked worse than Monday's game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, by the way, you know why it
Speaker 1: look worse because there was just more sloppy, unsound, non
Speaker 1: fundamental baseball. You just mentioned the two for ten series
Speaker 1: from Taylor Ward. You didn't even mention the worst moment.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that throw he made in right field,
Speaker 3: and you can't shock that up to Taylor Ward doesn't
Speaker 3: play right field. He's just adjusting. It's not like he
Speaker 3: misplayed a ball in the corner. He's unfamiliar with the angles. No,
Speaker 3: I mean taylor Ward ran up on a ball like
Speaker 3: towards the foul line, scooped it up, and then like
Speaker 3: Lalie to throw over the cutoff man into no man's land.
Speaker 2: Owing another run to score.
Speaker 4: I'm watching the replay of that and it just like
Speaker 4: he just like totally olays it over the head of
Speaker 4: of I think it was Cole Young getting the cutoff,
Speaker 4: you know, Like I just started laughing.
Speaker 2: I just started laughing.
Speaker 5: I'm like, it just keeps getting worse, dude, I don't
Speaker 5: And then you tack on the Julio play and center
Speaker 5: to which I know he lost it in the sun
Speaker 5: And sometimes you can't control that.
Speaker 2: But when things are going.
Speaker 1: As bad as they're going for the team as a whole,
Speaker 1: it's just another bad blunder on like the Mariners defense
Speaker 1: and fundamental baseball.
Speaker 2: Again. I know it's not really Julio's fault. I know,
Speaker 2: when you lose.
Speaker 1: A ball in the sun, there's not a ton you
Speaker 1: can do, but like the optics of it and the
Speaker 1: you know, like the situation presented right there just kind
Speaker 1: of added insult to injury.
Speaker 6: Hmm.
Speaker 3: And we haven't even talked about Wednesday yet. While the
Speaker 3: game they won, yeah, they won great. They hit a
Speaker 3: couple of home runs, Julio had a huge swing in
Speaker 3: that game. But there's a moment in that game where
Speaker 3: you feel like that, like that might be the spark,
Speaker 3: that might be it. At the end of the game,
Speaker 3: guys are getting thrown at. Cal Rawley gets beaned, gab
Speaker 3: Spier gets ejected for throwing at Labor Torres. The bench
Speaker 3: is empty, people are yapping at each other, everyone's all
Speaker 3: fired up, and you would think like, okay, there's that,
Speaker 3: And then the Mariners won the game and Cole Emerson
Speaker 3: comes back the next inning and hits a home around
Speaker 3: and you're like, wow, I mean these guys, I hope
Speaker 3: they're just like fired up, like just ready to go.
Speaker 3: After that and then today happened.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, were you buying into that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Did you buy in?
Speaker 3: And they didn't have anything else? Again, showing up normally
Speaker 3: and playing the games has not worked, okay, but I
Speaker 3: don't care. Like I've said for weeks now, there is
Speaker 3: no moment. There is no singular game that's like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is the turnaround.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: No, when the Seattle Mariners are five games over five hundred,
Speaker 1: talk to me then, and then we can rewind and
Speaker 1: refresh and go back to a moment we want to
Speaker 1: point to as the turnaround until they actually get five
Speaker 1: games over five hundred. I'm not doing this whole thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this. Oh this is the moment that
Speaker 1: turns around the season. No, go actually turn around your season,
Speaker 1: and then we can rewind and say what was the moment.
Speaker 3: Let me clarify what I said. I was not saying
Speaker 3: that was the turning point of the season. But of
Speaker 3: everything they've tried, trade deadline, firing, the heading coach, getting
Speaker 3: guys back healthy, like, all of those things didn't work.
Speaker 3: What happened in twenty twenty two, A lot of people
Speaker 3: credited that scuffle with the Angels let a fire in
Speaker 3: that clubhouse, and that team just ripped off the rest
Speaker 3: of the season and ended up making the playoffs and
Speaker 3: breaking the drought. A fight was literally the last thing
Speaker 3: on the list this year. That's the one thing they
Speaker 3: haven't done. They haven't tried. They haven't gotten everyone to
Speaker 3: like rally together and get behind each other to play.
Speaker 3: And you would think, right, especially with one game left
Speaker 3: to go in the series, where that fight happens, and
Speaker 3: it's like, you're just so ready for the next day
Speaker 3: to go out there and to beat that team and
Speaker 3: to show them up, like to show up, to show
Speaker 3: up Dylan Dingler and Glabor Torres and the pitchers who
Speaker 3: beamed you and get revenge or Spire getting suspended and
Speaker 3: your manager getting suspended here on Thursday and be like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're gonna go show them. No, quite the opposite, if
Speaker 3: that was their goal here on Thursday, they got an.
Speaker 1: F Also, it wasn't really a fight. The Angels game
Speaker 1: was a fight in twenty twenty two. This was two
Speaker 1: teams standing around at home plate.
Speaker 3: But it's two teams that clearly weren't very happy with
Speaker 3: each other. And again, I'm just trying, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: find something to get this team to play consistently like
Speaker 3: something like this, just like little motivational voice in your
Speaker 3: head to kick in the gear and to find that
Speaker 3: consistency day in and day out. And it just did
Speaker 3: not happen here on Thursday. Out of all the things
Speaker 3: we've tried this season, the literally the last, like last
Speaker 3: on the list is getting the team together to rally
Speaker 3: behind each other because something happened on the field and
Speaker 3: then going out and playing better because of it. And
Speaker 3: that didn't even happen. So if it's not gonna happen
Speaker 3: for that while, I'm getting to the point where it's
Speaker 3: just it's just not going to happen.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 1: And again, this was the easiest series left on your
Speaker 1: August schedule because now you got Rays, Yankees, Brewers, Astros, Cubs, Phillies,
Speaker 1: Blue Jay's.
Speaker 2: Red Sox.
Speaker 1: I guess if you want to argue in Toronto's are
Speaker 1: easier than the Tiger series, you can. But it's it's
Speaker 1: splitting hairs. It's not by much. It think this is
Speaker 1: what's in front of them. This is what's in front
Speaker 1: of them. By the way, to just wrap up the
Speaker 1: whole Wednesday game with the scuffle at home plate or
Speaker 1: the meeting between two teams at home Plate. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Like it is so just fake and phony and non believable.
Speaker 1: When Dan Wilson goes out there and gets himself a
Speaker 1: like some people are who they are, Like, dude, that's
Speaker 1: not who he is. He like he doesn't get out
Speaker 1: there and channel is loop penella and get pissed. Like
Speaker 1: when he goes out there and does that, it's like
Speaker 1: it feels so forced and just fake, Like did you
Speaker 1: actually believe he was mad in that moment? I almost
Speaker 1: feel like he has to be out there because he
Speaker 1: had to be mad to try to stand up for
Speaker 1: his player.
Speaker 3: But in that moment, like you have to. But that's
Speaker 3: what Dan Wilson really has a choice.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: He is like he's using saturated like non authentic energy.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not real, Like it's just it's just
Speaker 1: kind of phony. He doesn't actually like like some managers
Speaker 1: really are fired up. When Scott used to get thrown
Speaker 1: out of games, he'd be actually mad. I just like
Speaker 1: it just doesn't sit well, Like it's just not who
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 3: But in that situation, like the manager, like first of all,
Speaker 3: he's already kicked out but like you couldn't I think
Speaker 3: in that situation, Like, yeah, is it performative maybe, like
Speaker 3: it might be. I honest, like I don't know if
Speaker 3: I would go that far, but like your picture gets
Speaker 3: thrown out of the game in the game you're leading,
Speaker 3: especially a leverage arm, when the next leverage arm you
Speaker 3: put in the game has been really struggling and gives
Speaker 3: up a two run home run right after that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like pretty important. So you do need to go
Speaker 3: out there and like fight for your player and kick
Speaker 3: some bases and get thrown out sometimes, like that's part
Speaker 3: of the job.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't do that, That's what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: it's just he doesn't do that, like it like it's
Speaker 1: not like it doesn't match his persona.
Speaker 3: At all, Like you know he but but but can
Speaker 3: I can I interject here you would be roasting him
Speaker 3: more if he sat in the dugout and did nothing.
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Saying you can't get out there and have a conversation
Speaker 1: with the umpires, Like I'm not saying you can't be
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying you should be happy, But this
Speaker 1: thing of it, like the getting thrown out of the game,
Speaker 1: it's just like do you, like, do you buy that's
Speaker 1: who he is. I'm not saying, sit the dugout and
Speaker 1: do nothing, but like elevating to the point where you
Speaker 1: get thrown out and you know, you like removed his
Speaker 1: hat and it's getting like I just don't believe it,
Speaker 1: Like I don't believe him. You can go out there,
Speaker 1: and you can go out there and say something. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that, Yeah, you should just sit there and
Speaker 1: do nothing, but like again, some people just are who
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 2: That's not really his persona.
Speaker 3: He noticed how Gabe didn't have a single.
Speaker 2: Didn't argue a single thing.
Speaker 3: He just walked right off the mound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that may look we love Gabe, but that
Speaker 1: seemed the signal to me that maybe that had some intention.
Speaker 3: I think so, given did it twice, Yeah, on back
Speaker 3: to back pitches. Right, Gate was doing a job, right him.
Speaker 3: I'm sure him and Cal had a nice conversation before
Speaker 3: that happening started and laid out their.
Speaker 2: Game plan, right yeah, probably.
Speaker 3: And then the mayor and then like there's this lineup
Speaker 3: on Thursday, Lyle like, did were the Mariners protecting their
Speaker 3: star players from getting hit?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe they were protecting Josh Naylor from getting
Speaker 1: hit because you said that this involved two teams that
Speaker 1: clearly weren't happy with each other. And if you want
Speaker 1: to know where that stems back to, I don't think
Speaker 1: it has anything to I don't think it has anything
Speaker 1: to do with the playoff series from last year, not
Speaker 1: that I know of. I think it has everything to
Speaker 1: do with Josh Naylor because back when he was in Detroit,
Speaker 1: you know, he like there was the argument about whether
Speaker 1: he threw the sliding mit or if it just came
Speaker 1: off or not, and he had a couple other plays
Speaker 1: in that series that didn't sit all that well with
Speaker 1: the Pirate or with the Tigers, and then the home
Speaker 1: plate altercation happens a little bit between the two teams,
Speaker 1: or at least the meeting. If there was one guy
Speaker 1: that was going to be targeted in retaliation to Glaber
Speaker 1: getting hit here on Thursday, it would have been Josh
Speaker 1: Naylor if he was in the lineup.
Speaker 3: And you don't want him getting drilled on his wrist right,
Speaker 3: not in his current state.
Speaker 1: But like again, we're at the point of the season
Speaker 1: where you are protecting your players from getting hit on
Speaker 1: a potential bean ball and another fight breaking out. That's
Speaker 1: where we're at, Like it's not about winning games, it's
Speaker 1: about like it's about like, well, we better make sure
Speaker 1: that our guys don't get hurt. So let's like essentially
Speaker 1: throw out a B lineup in a rubber match.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest, it didn't matter who the Mariners
Speaker 3: were putting in this lineup. Maybe they wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 3: shut out, it didn't matter. Well, no, this is the
Speaker 3: The Mariners have rolled out their A lineup for most
Speaker 3: of the season and are next I think still next
Speaker 3: to last and baseball and run scored. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 3: just who they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's just been bad man and
Speaker 1: again the season like time's running out.
Speaker 2: They don't have much time left to go.
Speaker 1: As we sit here, the Mariners are fifty six and
Speaker 1: sixty so that's yeah, they've played.
Speaker 3: One hundred fast in the standings.
Speaker 1: Oh the Tigers, Yeah, the Tigers, yep, yep, yep. So yeah,
Speaker 1: the Mariners have played one hundred and sixteen games this year.
Speaker 1: Like you essentially have to go what thirty five and
Speaker 1: ten if I have my math, probably not right to
Speaker 1: get to the ninety wins. I mean one sixty two
Speaker 1: minus one sixteen's forty six, forty six games, and they
Speaker 1: have to win thirty four games to get to ninety wins.
Speaker 1: So if you want to get to ninety wins, you
Speaker 1: gotta go thirty four and twelve the rest of the way.
Speaker 2: That's the number. M Yeah, like with this August schedule,
Speaker 2: no chance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with this, with this August schedule, in this lineup,
Speaker 3: which would have to undergo like the biggest one pint
Speaker 3: eighty we've ever seen as Mariners fans to achieve that, right.
Speaker 3: Pitching staff Aside pitching staff, Homan Road has its own issues,
Speaker 3: like Bryce Miller. Bryce Miller's last five starts have been bad, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: really bad. I remember we're talking about the potential six
Speaker 3: man rotation with Kate Anderson. Maybe Kate Anderson just starts
Speaker 3: for Bryce Miller or they they piggyback together to sort
Speaker 3: of get Bryce into shorter spurts or put Bryce in
Speaker 3: the bullpen even if something is really up with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's been a really tough second half
Speaker 1: for Bryce.
Speaker 2: It's too bad.
Speaker 1: And then if the Mariners want to get to eighty
Speaker 1: five wins, which is ridiculous, we're talking about this team
Speaker 1: having eighty five wins given where the preseason expectations were,
Speaker 1: but they've got to go twenty nine and seventeen the
Speaker 1: rest of the way now to do that, that's eight
Speaker 1: over five hundred ball the final forty six games of
Speaker 1: the year. And let me say it again, with this
Speaker 1: August schedule, I mean, you've got the Rays for three
Speaker 1: and then this upcoming just death trap of a road trip.
Speaker 1: Who's to say in those ten games that or thirteen
Speaker 1: games I guess it would be, or twelve Ye had
Speaker 1: twelve three three three, Okay, yeah, in those twelve games,
Speaker 1: they're not two and ten, three and nine.
Speaker 7: Ye.
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be that way again, I really, guys.
Speaker 1: I just wish more than anything we could sit here
Speaker 1: and get you all fired up about the Mariners and
Speaker 1: say why this team is on a crash course for
Speaker 1: the postseason and his full steam ahead and it's firing
Speaker 1: on all cylinders. That's when we're having the most fun
Speaker 1: doing this podcast is when they're winning and we can
Speaker 1: just fire everybody up and get people excited. But we're
Speaker 1: not gonna gaslight people. We're not gonna just tell people
Speaker 1: some false reality. No, We're gonna sit here and tell
Speaker 1: you how we really feel and what the reality is.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think most of you guys know that
Speaker 1: are listening to these podcasts at this point, that that's
Speaker 1: what we do. And I'm not gonna sit here and
Speaker 1: tell you that. Yeah, they'll just write this ship and
Speaker 1: turn everything around with the schedule they got in August, like, no, things.
Speaker 2: Are looking real bleak.
Speaker 1: That's just reality, And that's not the conversation I want
Speaker 1: to sit here and have. Believe me, it's not, but
Speaker 1: it's the real one.
Speaker 3: I liked what you said in your reaction. We want
Speaker 3: to believe, but you need to give us a reason
Speaker 3: to believe. And that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And until you get like five games over five hundred,
Speaker 1: which is a sustained stretch of good baseball here for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, then you have not given us
Speaker 1: that reason.
Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we might get there a little before just to
Speaker 1: watch some of the game. But yeah, we'll probably.
Speaker 3: Seven o'clock for the taping, like when we'll be trying
Speaker 3: to record by it right.
Speaker 1: But we might get there a little early just to
Speaker 1: see some of the game and watch a little bit.
Speaker 1: But yes, taping if you want to plan seven pm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to come there earlier, we'll well,
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it is the fiftieth weekend.
Speaker 1: Now, it might get overshadowed by some really bad baseball,
Speaker 1: but but can.
Speaker 3: You imagine if they lose on Friday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well we get into that.
Speaker 1: We get into that with times a little bit at
Speaker 1: the end, but you know it, even with that, it'll
Speaker 1: still be really cool to see some of the greats
Speaker 1: here and some of the fans and or sorry not
Speaker 1: the fans, some of the all time greats from this
Speaker 1: team in town. I'm so fired up to see a
Speaker 1: Rod back. You boo them we're gonna have problems, Like
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a problem. We're gonna put a video
Speaker 1: out on it on Friday. Better not boo a Rod
Speaker 1: or you can come find me at the games and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a real talk.
Speaker 2: Anyway, you won't be to be there.
Speaker 3: What's that you saw who won't be there?
Speaker 2: Oh well, Kyle Seeger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a shocker, I mean, yeah, yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: just knew what he was doing, checking in of course.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was really fun to have Ty and
Speaker 1: Colby on. I mean, we did a crossover once on
Speaker 1: their channel with them, and I think people really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: So hopefully you guys enjoyed this one with the four
Speaker 1: of us and the dynamic of the the four of
Speaker 1: us just kind of talking to Mariners and talking the
Speaker 1: state of the team.
Speaker 2: Because we really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: We'll keep you guys any longer. Let's get you to
Speaker 3: that interview with tyme Colby. All Right, we got our
Speaker 3: friends Ty, Dane Gonzalez and Kolby Patnode from the Lockdown
Speaker 3: Mariners podcast joining us.
Speaker 6: Guys.
Speaker 3: Welcome on. This is the first time the two of
Speaker 3: you have been on here together, and Ty you were
Speaker 3: in Seattle for the first time in nineteen years. That's
Speaker 3: goin to feel cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's been pretty crazy. First game did not
Speaker 6: go well, but I still had a really good time
Speaker 6: because obviously that was bigger than what was happening on
Speaker 6: the field. And then last night pretty dang fun. A
Speaker 6: lot of stuff happened in that game. I don't know.
Speaker 6: Then there's something about me being in attendance and crazy
Speaker 6: stuff happening. You know, you think about the playoff games
Speaker 6: in Toronto, you think about James Paxson snowhitter. So I
Speaker 6: brought a little bit of that with me to Seattle
Speaker 6: Colbe who, by the way, hasn't seen a bench's clearing
Speaker 6: incident in Seattle before.
Speaker 7: Okay, but I get to go to twenty more games
Speaker 7: a year, and you get to go to once one
Speaker 7: every twenty years, So you know who's the real winner here.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not that many benches clearing incidents with
Speaker 1: the Mariners. Nothing's happened with that team very often, and
Speaker 1: it definitely it doesn't happen at home very often.
Speaker 6: No, Now, when's the last time the benches cleared at
Speaker 6: Team Mogile Park. I don't even remember.
Speaker 7: The Astros when they threw a JP after Gilla Morris
Speaker 7: Grand Slam.
Speaker 8: Did they clear or was it just kind of more?
Speaker 7: I don't remember if they like met at home played
Speaker 7: or if it was just a lot of shouting.
Speaker 8: Back and for it.
Speaker 6: No, they met at home, you said, than anything yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: he was yelling at at what's his name with the glasses,
Speaker 6: the bench, the bench coach on the on the ashes.
Speaker 6: But yeah, wait.
Speaker 1: Was that when Julio and Hector Naras got into the
Speaker 1: whole thing?
Speaker 2: Was it that game that was twenty twenty.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, was that in Seattle? Seattle?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, No. The thing we're talking about is when Dylan
Speaker 6: Moore hit the Grand Slam, which was twenty twenty one, yeah,
Speaker 6: twenty yeah.
Speaker 8: But I think Lyle's right.
Speaker 7: I think the last time like the benches, you know,
Speaker 7: emptied a little bit was twenty.
Speaker 9: Twenty yeah or yeah, And then I think the last
Speaker 9: time before last night that the marriage just cleared the
Speaker 9: benches in general was actually in Toronto when Jose Barrios.
Speaker 6: And Cal had their little thing. I don't even think
Speaker 6: that was on TV, like when the benches actually cleared.
Speaker 6: I think maybe they showed it after, like when they
Speaker 6: came back from commercial break. But yeah, I didn't even
Speaker 6: know what had happened in the moment too. I was
Speaker 6: like up in the I was looking at my phone,
Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden I heard people like
Speaker 6: freaking out, and then I saw like Cal and Jose
Speaker 6: Barrios like talking on the benches, So that was kind
Speaker 6: of crazy. So I've been there for the last two
Speaker 6: benches clearing incidents for the Marrits.
Speaker 3: And all those Framber incidents always happened to go go
Speaker 3: down in Houston Detroit.
Speaker 6: I guess, yeah, yeah, we're just trying to Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well maybe until we're recording this before Thursday's day game.
Speaker 3: That street could be broken by the time you're listening
Speaker 3: to this.
Speaker 6: No, we'll see, we'll see it.
Speaker 3: The odds of that have to be like it's it's
Speaker 3: gotta be like minus at this point that that that
Speaker 3: he at least brushes someone back and does like a
Speaker 3: bit of a stare down.
Speaker 6: You have to think, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean he's not even in his walk year anymore.
Speaker 3: He doesn't need to doesn't need to showcase himself for
Speaker 3: teams and and do pr It's it's playing with house
Speaker 3: money now he's got eight.
Speaker 1: I mean even when he was in his walk here,
Speaker 1: he purposely crossed up his catcher and throw a fastball
Speaker 1: rit his chest. I don't know, I Framberg, here's about.
Speaker 6: A walk here. Well, that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 6: It was like, you know, is he going to hit
Speaker 6: one of the marriage or is he gonna hit one
Speaker 6: of his teammates today. I think the odds might be
Speaker 6: the same.
Speaker 2: That's probably right.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is really fun to have you guys
Speaker 1: on here, and we figured it's a perfect time to
Speaker 1: do it because there's almost three different sections of Maritors
Speaker 1: topics we can go through with you guys while we're
Speaker 1: sitting here. And there's the trade deadline, which is still
Speaker 1: just a few days wrapped up. There's the team in general,
Speaker 1: and there's the fiftieth weekend which is coming up this weekend,
Speaker 1: which I know both of you guys are going to
Speaker 1: be in town for just like T Day and I will.
Speaker 1: So we can start with the trade deadline because I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the most recent and we've talked about it plenty
Speaker 1: and we've given our takes on it. But for those
Speaker 1: who haven't heard from you guys, I'll throw it to
Speaker 1: you first.
Speaker 6: Hide.
Speaker 1: I mean, where do you stand on what they did?
Speaker 1: I think people are in a unison in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways about it being underwhelming, But yeah, in your
Speaker 1: mind was it underwhelming?
Speaker 2: And if you believe so, why was it?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I think Colby and I are pretty aligned on this,
Speaker 6: and we talked a little bit about this on yesterday's
Speaker 6: episode of Locked On, so Apologies if we kind of
Speaker 6: just repeat ourselves here, but yeah, I mean I didn't
Speaker 6: know what to expect going into the deadline, considering the
Speaker 6: position that they're in. Obviously, yeah, the AO WES has
Speaker 6: not allowed them to die, and the American League in
Speaker 6: general has not allowed them to die. But also, you know,
Speaker 6: this is not a very good baseball team. So I
Speaker 6: felt like, all right, if they don't buy, they're kind
Speaker 6: of justified and doing that at this point, just given
Speaker 6: everything that this team has shown them. So I wasn't
Speaker 6: sure if they were just kind of going to stand
Speaker 6: pat after the Luis Castillo thing. I wasn't sure if
Speaker 6: they were going to trade Randy and maybe looking to
Speaker 6: trading at least one of the relievers. I wasn't sure
Speaker 6: if they were going to buy. And so when the
Speaker 6: Taylor Ward deal came through, I was like, Okay, they're buying,
Speaker 6: and it's like all right, you know, obviously it didn't
Speaker 6: really cost them much of consequence. Like all due respect
Speaker 6: to Alex Hoppy and Brock and Harrison Kraling, but like,
Speaker 6: you know, I like brockmore quite a bit, but like
Speaker 6: I didn't feel any sort of sting with them making
Speaker 6: that deal, but you know, again, to me, that signaled, hey,
Speaker 6: we're buying. We think we can still make noise here.
Speaker 6: We can still win this division, maybe even get the
Speaker 6: second seed and not even have to play in the
Speaker 6: wild card round, and we can make some noise in
Speaker 6: October because we still believe in the talent of this
Speaker 6: group and that it'll eventually come around. And then you
Speaker 6: get the reports from Ryan Divish and Adam Jude and
Speaker 6: Daniel Kramer saying, yeah, the Marins feel pretty confident that
Speaker 6: they're going to land at least one relief. You know
Speaker 6: that they're going to make one more trade today. If
Speaker 6: not more right, they're going to land another reliever or
Speaker 6: preferably too, which is what Jude and Divis reported in
Speaker 6: their live update article. You know, a couple hours before
Speaker 6: the Ward deal happened, and then nothing happened, and it's
Speaker 6: like okay. On one hand, like obviously there's the Jeff
Speaker 6: Hoffman's and the Luke Weavers of the world, but then
Speaker 6: there's also you know, and there's there's a lot of
Speaker 6: stuff that we can dive into there with the money
Speaker 6: and all that, and there's a bunch of different ways
Speaker 6: that you can look at that, but also like a
Speaker 6: bunch of other believers who are making little to no
Speaker 6: money who would absolutely help this bullpen also got moved
Speaker 6: and they weren't able to push across any of those
Speaker 6: things across the finish line, and I just I'm not
Speaker 6: really sure why. And again it kind of continues this
Speaker 6: trend that we've seen over the last few deadlines since
Speaker 6: the drought ended, since they acquired Luis Castillo in twenty
Speaker 6: twenty two, where like the trades that they do make
Speaker 6: at or near the deadline are great, totally on board
Speaker 6: with them. It's just they haven't been able to put
Speaker 6: the cherry on top, right. They haven't been able to
Speaker 6: do that one last thing that you felt they needed
Speaker 6: to do last year, being the drawn thing that they
Speaker 6: weren't able to get across the finish line. You know.
Speaker 6: So just to your point, to use a word that
Speaker 6: you guys brought up, it feels underwhelming from that, Like, again,
Speaker 6: if you didn't want to aggressively buy for this specific team,
Speaker 6: I totally get that. Again, give them what they have
Speaker 6: shown you, but after you made the war deal, it
Speaker 6: felt like, Okay, now's the time to kind of, you know,
Speaker 6: address some other areas of your roster, continue to push
Speaker 6: this thing forward, to put yourself in the best position
Speaker 6: to succeed the rest of the way, because clearly you're buying.
Speaker 6: And then they didn't do that, and I feel like
Speaker 6: in a way that kind of retroactively cheapens the ward
Speaker 6: acquisition as well. And so it just like to me,
Speaker 6: like two plus two doesn't equal four here with this deadline,
Speaker 6: it just kind of feels random, and it kind of
Speaker 6: feels like even in the hours leading up to the deadline,
Speaker 6: they were still like figuring out like what they wanted
Speaker 6: to do.
Speaker 3: I think to me, it kind of just felt like
Speaker 3: the definition of a soft buy were leading up to
Speaker 3: the deadline, you just heard over and over and over
Speaker 3: and over again how the only way this team was
Speaker 3: going to be good this year is if the players
Speaker 3: currently on the roster played well, and the deadline exactly
Speaker 3: reflected that. Then after the deadline, they they cut some
Speaker 3: dead weight from the roster that they don't think is
Speaker 3: going to help them anymore. You trade your worst starter
Speaker 3: away in Luis Castillo, you cut Mitch Garverer, you cut
Speaker 3: Rob Refsnyder, And you're trying to sort of improve around
Speaker 3: the margins, to give this supporting cast, to improve the
Speaker 3: supporting cast around the core guys you expect to be
Speaker 3: better where you're essentially just like you're nudging them. You're like,
Speaker 3: all right, guys, like we're making your job a little
Speaker 3: bit easier by putting a little little less on your plate.
Speaker 3: But it still ultimately is your job to go out
Speaker 3: there and perform. And what do you know, why did
Speaker 3: they win last night? As we record here on Thursday morning,
Speaker 3: It's because the highest paid player on the roster hit
Speaker 3: a three run home run, That's why. And your best
Speaker 3: starting pitcher through seven shutout instead of pitching on the
Speaker 3: road and put up a non competitive start.
Speaker 1: You think it was a money thing, Kobe with why
Speaker 1: they didn't go get Hopman or why they didn't go
Speaker 1: get Weaver, because I mean, it feels like that's certainly
Speaker 1: a fair conversation to have.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's certainly possible.
Speaker 8: We did here before.
Speaker 7: The deadline that you know, they had a little bit
Speaker 7: of flexibility. They're actually fairly significantly under where they were
Speaker 7: last year, So I don't know why they don't have
Speaker 7: more flexibility, But it certainly is possibility.
Speaker 8: And you know, I'm with Tie on this whole thing.
Speaker 7: It's kind of like, I like part of me thinks
Speaker 7: and understands the whole idea of like, do you want
Speaker 7: to invest serious assets, long term assets in this roster
Speaker 7: and this team when one hundred and twelve games into
Speaker 7: the year, they've been the most mediocre ball club we
Speaker 7: can remember in.
Speaker 8: Like two decades. I guess not.
Speaker 7: But at the same time, you went out and he
Speaker 7: spent the money to go get Taylor Ward. He spent
Speaker 7: the assets to go get Taylor Ward.
Speaker 8: You took on, you know, a bad.
Speaker 7: Ish contract in the Luis Casio trade and somehow so
Speaker 7: got a good prospect out of that that heck of
Speaker 7: a deal.
Speaker 8: So yeah, it's just.
Speaker 7: Kind of one of those things where like for me,
Speaker 7: it just felt like this organization as a whole, and
Speaker 7: it kind of felt like this all year, they don't
Speaker 7: quite really know what to do right now. They didn't
Speaker 7: know how to handle the six starters, they didn't know
Speaker 7: how to handle the platoons. They took forever to give
Speaker 7: don can Zone full time, you know, playing time. Now, Hey,
Speaker 7: we really need bullpen help. Is Kate Anderson an option. No, Okay, Well,
Speaker 7: if he's not a bull, if he's not helping you
Speaker 7: in the bullpen this year, then you needed to add
Speaker 7: another bullpen arm because you bought even though you also
Speaker 7: kind of sold. I just I really hate it when
Speaker 7: front offices in general are kind of trying to straddle
Speaker 7: the fence. You know, at acquisition periods you can do
Speaker 7: it properly. I thought the Blue Jays did a really
Speaker 7: nice job of this, of selling off some assets that
Speaker 7: weren't going to be here long term, but also still buying,
Speaker 7: going out and getting a Jose Soreano like deadlines like that.
Speaker 7: To me, that's buying and selling. That's definitive that that
Speaker 7: is concrete action. It's just concrete action in two different avenues.
Speaker 7: The Maritors just kind of tried to split the line perfectly,
Speaker 7: and I just it feels cheap and I don't understand
Speaker 7: what the idea here is. Are you going for it
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty six or are you protecting all your
Speaker 7: assets for twenty twenty seven, because it kind of feels
Speaker 7: like they want to do a little bit of both,
Speaker 7: and I just I hate that. And even if the
Speaker 7: guys on this roster do play up to their potential.
Speaker 7: That's all well and good, but remember this team was
Speaker 7: eight outs away from going to the World Series last
Speaker 7: year with arguably a more talented team, and you didn't
Speaker 7: get to the World Series last year because you were
Speaker 7: still a bullpen arm or too short and you rode
Speaker 7: Bizarto and Spire and Munios into the ground and the
Speaker 7: playoffs and you know, and you just you set them
Speaker 7: up to do that again because you didn't go out
Speaker 7: and you didn't add that other bulpen arm. Don't tell
Speaker 7: me it's Sir Anthony Deminguez. The Mariners don't think Sir
Speaker 7: Anthony Demingez is a high leverage guy. They say he's
Speaker 7: going to slide in and do kind of the middle
Speaker 7: leverage stuff. So it just if money was a factor,
Speaker 7: I guess part of me understands, because again, how much
Speaker 7: do you actually want to invest in this roster when
Speaker 7: they've showed you over one hundred and ten plus games
Speaker 7: now that they're just mediocre. I guess I get that,
Speaker 7: But I really hate the fence straddling and kind of
Speaker 7: like trying to do both without actually doing both buying
Speaker 7: and selling, because like, if you wanted to trade Randy
Speaker 7: at Rose Arena, and you wanted to trade JP Crawford
Speaker 7: and you wanted to trade like Gabe Spire or whatever,
Speaker 7: and then also go out and still get a Taylor
Speaker 7: Ward or maybe you know, spend some real prospect capital
Speaker 7: and go get we don't know if he's available, like
Speaker 7: Auto Lopez or whoever. Right then, like, yeah, I could
Speaker 7: buy that because that makes sense to me. You're aggressively
Speaker 7: buying and selling. I hate the wishy washy thing that
Speaker 7: they did, and it's just a common theme for all
Speaker 7: their acquisition periods as of late, is that the moves.
Speaker 8: They do make we like.
Speaker 7: I don't remember the last move the mayor owners made
Speaker 7: that I didn't like, Like on paper, I don't remember that.
Speaker 7: But it just always feels like they come up a
Speaker 7: little short. And whether it's the money or whether it's
Speaker 7: the prospect hugging or whatever we want to call it.
Speaker 7: And I do think money was a bigger factor this
Speaker 7: year than it was last year, obviously, but you know,
Speaker 7: I I don't know if you guys know Casey Bellen's
Speaker 7: content creator as well for the Mariners. He phrased it
Speaker 7: really well, and it is that this front office continually
Speaker 7: is unwilling to pay for those last eight outs to
Speaker 7: push this team to where they can go and where.
Speaker 8: We want them to go.
Speaker 7: And it just felt like they did that again this
Speaker 7: offseat or this deadline season. So whether money or not,
Speaker 7: I don't think it matters. I just think they pretty
Speaker 7: much failed to do whatever it is they were trying
Speaker 7: to do. And even if these guys do click, and
Speaker 7: even if they do push into the playoffs, there's still
Speaker 7: a couple of bulk in arms short and I don't
Speaker 7: like the idea of being like, well, we might get
Speaker 7: Matt Brush back, okay, and you might you might like
Speaker 7: that's that's your deadline acquisition.
Speaker 6: The other thing that I've been wondering over the last
Speaker 6: you know, forty eight or so hours is did they
Speaker 6: put all their chips in on this idea that like
Speaker 6: maybe Aj Preller would come back to them at the
Speaker 6: eleventh hour and be like, you know what, we will
Speaker 6: trade you Mason Miller for something that isn't you know,
Speaker 6: Kate Anderson or Ryan Sloan. You know, We'll trade you
Speaker 6: Mason Miller for Emerson Hancock plus or George Kirby plus.
Speaker 6: Because like, obviously this is a team that put all
Speaker 6: its eggs in the basket of acquiring Brendan Donnovan this offseason,
Speaker 6: it didn't seem like they really had much of a
Speaker 6: pivot at all from that, So, like, I wouldn't put
Speaker 6: it past them in that regard, And yeah, from the
Speaker 6: money perspective on like the Hoffman's and the Weavers the world,
Speaker 6: I think from the front office's perspective, even though that like, yeah,
Speaker 6: Randy's going to come off the books, and JP's going
Speaker 6: to come off the books, and now you've gotten out
Speaker 6: from under, you know, half of Castillo's contract. This isn't
Speaker 6: a team that has spent a lot on its bullpen,
Speaker 6: you know, especially since like the Juan Nicasio's and the
Speaker 6: Walking ben Wahs and those guys of the world, you know,
Speaker 6: before the rebuild. You know, you got Andreis Munio's making money,
Speaker 6: Gabe Spider is going to make a little bit of
Speaker 6: money here in arbitration. Now you've added Sir Anthony Dominguez.
Speaker 6: I wonder if they were just unwilling to add another, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, reliever that's making real money to this bullpen
Speaker 6: just because of what they know they're going to be
Speaker 6: allowed to spend from ownership, and who knows, you know,
Speaker 6: they might lower a payroll next year because of how
Speaker 6: disappointing this year has been. You know, you just you
Speaker 6: never know what this ownership group so like, I wonder
Speaker 6: if the front office just looks at that and goes like,
Speaker 6: we can't add another significant salary to the to the bullpen,
Speaker 6: like we have to allocate those resources to other, you know,
Speaker 6: every day parts of the roster.
Speaker 3: Or maybe they were just thinking along the lines of
Speaker 3: since they definitely like their premier players when they're going
Speaker 3: out and acquiring them, especially, it seems like in the
Speaker 3: bullpen because they don't most of their bullpen guys are
Speaker 3: not like the premier names except for when they like
Speaker 3: are trying to acquire them. And then the last year
Speaker 3: has told us they go after like the cream of
Speaker 3: the crop. Maybe the only person they thought would make
Speaker 3: their bullpen significantly better for the return they would have
Speaker 3: to give up was Mason Miller and as it and
Speaker 3: they're like, all right, I mean, Luke Weavers good, Is
Speaker 3: he that much better than what we currently have? No?
Speaker 3: Or is Jeff Hoffman that much better than what we
Speaker 3: currently have?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: For what we'd have to give up in the salary
Speaker 3: we'd have to take on this doesn't quite seem as
Speaker 3: worth it to us. I would totally believe that if that.
Speaker 2: Was the case.
Speaker 6: Right, And obviously, you know, the two things that I
Speaker 6: just brought up kind of contradict one another because it's like, well,
Speaker 6: if they're waiting for Maceon Miller, that's a guy that's
Speaker 6: making a lot of money. But obviously that's kind of
Speaker 6: a different situation where it's like that's the best guy
Speaker 6: in the whole world, right, you know, so maybe there
Speaker 6: there's an exception that they would make there, but obviously,
Speaker 6: like Mason Miller's probably gonna he made four and arbitration
Speaker 6: this year, He's probably gonna make what eight next year,
Speaker 6: So you know, that would be like another guy making
Speaker 6: real money in the bullpen, even though again that's like
Speaker 6: he's been worth like three wins already this year, right
Speaker 6: my finger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on pace for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Like, I know it's so early to say that, but
Speaker 1: like the way he's pitching, like that's what.
Speaker 2: It looks like. He's that good.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'll just say this, like as we start
Speaker 1: to wrap up some of the trade deadline talk, and
Speaker 1: you guys can let me know what you think about this.
Speaker 1: But this deadline, more than I ever already believed before,
Speaker 1: is where I start to run into issues with how
Speaker 1: overly reliant the Maritors are on the trade deadline, with
Speaker 1: the roster building, which is look like you should use
Speaker 1: the trade deadline to augment your roster and go get
Speaker 1: pieces if they're available. And when you look at last year,
Speaker 1: it worked, it worked to a t. You got Naylor,
Speaker 1: you got Geno, I mean, and you nearly got Duran.
Speaker 1: If you'd done that might have been the greatest trade
Speaker 1: deadline in the history of the team. But it's what
Speaker 1: happens when you're overly reliant on a market that often
Speaker 1: does not exist like this year's. It was just a
Speaker 1: bad market, I kept saying, and I've said it over
Speaker 1: the last few days. I've said they're a bullpen arm
Speaker 1: Shore ever since they whipped on Duran, and since then
Speaker 1: they have not addressed that guy. And seeing what the
Speaker 1: market was this year is why I now hammer home
Speaker 1: more than ever before that well, this should have been
Speaker 1: addressed in the off season, I said, Jose Perreer has
Speaker 1: done some nice things for you, but that was never enough,
Speaker 1: like there should have been one more Bolton arm added.
Speaker 6: Then and by the way, that was reported that they
Speaker 6: wanted to go out and get another arm even after
Speaker 6: for it. And we know that they liked film Maiton
Speaker 6: before he signed with what the Cubs, I think, right,
Speaker 6: so we know that they were like swimming in those
Speaker 6: waters or trying to and so and again, like it
Speaker 6: was reported at the deadline literally on Monday, you know,
Speaker 6: a few hours before the deadline. It was reported in
Speaker 6: the off season like hey, we want to get another reliever,
Speaker 6: and then they just didn't do it. And I don't
Speaker 6: know why. I just and again just looking at some
Speaker 6: of the relievers I moved at the deadline. I don't
Speaker 6: know why the Marrors wouldn't be willing to pay the
Speaker 6: price on you know that like the Pirates pay for
Speaker 6: Lake Baker for example. You know, like I don't don't,
Speaker 6: I don't understand that. But yeah, like the over reliance
Speaker 6: on the deadline, Like I get it. It's a big
Speaker 6: part of their sales pitch because like to keep guys
Speaker 6: in Seattle, to essentially recruit guys to Seattle, Like the
Speaker 6: idea now is like you know, it's the Josh Naylor thing.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised if they're going to try and
Speaker 6: do this with Taylor Ward as well. But you know,
Speaker 6: the the problem with that is though, you know, again,
Speaker 6: like you guys said, like, you can't rely on the
Speaker 6: market following following as perfectly as it did last year.
Speaker 6: We said this during the off season, by the way,
Speaker 6: I remember saying this multiple times on the show. Is like,
Speaker 6: that's not going to happen every single year. It's not
Speaker 6: gonna happen where like, hey, we need first base and
Speaker 6: third base help, and oh, just so happens that the
Speaker 6: two best mats available play first base and third right, Like,
Speaker 6: and we're going to get both of them. We're going
Speaker 6: to beat every other teams with a punch on both
Speaker 6: of those. Guys, Like, that's not gonna happen every single time.
Speaker 6: But you know the problem is like they don't want
Speaker 6: to do the other things necessary to you know, overcome
Speaker 6: some of the hurdles that just come with being a
Speaker 6: team in seatle right, like the travel and all that stuff. Guys, Like,
Speaker 6: it's not the thing that we do need to talk about,
Speaker 6: is like, obviously it's very true that the mayor's not
Speaker 6: willing to spend significant resources to make their team better,
Speaker 6: especially in free agency. That is absolutely true, and that
Speaker 6: is a major part of this. And it's also true
Speaker 6: that it takes two to tango and that some players
Speaker 6: just straight up don't want to come here unless you're
Speaker 6: going to pay out the wazoo for them, right and so,
Speaker 6: and that's the problem is that the mayors don't want
Speaker 6: to do that, right ever, since Robinson Cano, they don't
Speaker 6: want to do that. They don't want to pay the
Speaker 6: extra in terms of years or dollars or both to
Speaker 6: overcome some of these other teams that are in the
Speaker 6: market for these guys. And so that's why they rely
Speaker 6: on the deadline, is because it's like, well, we're going
Speaker 6: to get you here, We're going to force you here,
Speaker 6: and then we're going to make you see like, hey,
Speaker 6: this place is actually pretty great, like and you know,
Speaker 6: worked with Josh Naylor and we'll see what happens to
Speaker 6: Taylor Ward. But but yeah, it's that's unfortunately the just
Speaker 6: kind of like how they're they're going about it because like, again,
Speaker 6: they're just not willing to spend the money.
Speaker 3: Let's shift our focus to the rest of this Mariner
Speaker 3: season as they have what less than fifty games left,
Speaker 3: less than two months not currently in a playoff spot,
Speaker 3: not currently in first place in the division. So let
Speaker 3: me ask you both this. I want you both to answer,
Speaker 3: what has you most optimistic about the Maritors for the
Speaker 3: rest of the season and what has you the most concerned?
Speaker 6: Golby, you wanted to take this first. As the king
Speaker 6: of optimism in the Marrier's sphere, I.
Speaker 7: Am well known secret optimists.
Speaker 8: The most optimistic thing going forward is the the.
Speaker 7: Schedule of September, if we're being honest, they play seven
Speaker 7: against the angel seven against the A's. I think they
Speaker 7: play against Kansas City or sorry, Colorado, and like they
Speaker 7: only have once they finish their series in Boston, which
Speaker 7: kind of leaks into September. Once they finish that, they
Speaker 7: have like two games the entire month that are against
Speaker 7: good teams, and it's Houston, who you've handled pretty well,
Speaker 7: So September really gives you an opportunity. And the fact
Speaker 7: that the rest of the American League remains so mediocre,
Speaker 7: those are the most optimistic thing. The most pessimistic view
Speaker 7: of this Marinon team is the entirety of the twenty
Speaker 7: twenty sixth season, Like, why should I believe that that
Speaker 7: team that we've watched for one hundred and I don't know,
Speaker 7: one hundred and fourteen hundred fifteen games at this point,
Speaker 7: that team is going to go face this gauntlet of
Speaker 7: a schedule in August and they're going to manage to
Speaker 7: survive somehow, like they don't.
Speaker 8: Have to thrive.
Speaker 7: But like we're talking about after today, which by the way,
Speaker 7: Detroit one of the better offenses in baseball for the
Speaker 7: last two months, if they can survive today, they find
Speaker 7: a way to win the series, well, then they get Tampa,
Speaker 7: then they got to go to New York, then they
Speaker 7: got to go to Houston, and they got to go
Speaker 7: to Milwaukee, and then they come back home to play
Speaker 7: with the Cubs and the Phillies.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 7: That's a fifteen game stretch where it's like, if you
Speaker 7: guys go seven and eight, like that is incredible, especially
Speaker 7: with the way you're playing baseball right now. And so
Speaker 7: it's kind of like the most optimistic look at this
Speaker 7: is like, well, they can get to September, they have
Speaker 7: a chance to have a huge month because the Angels
Speaker 7: suck and they got worse. The A's suck and they're
Speaker 7: getting worse, and obviously the Rockies suck. So like you have,
Speaker 7: like most of your games against these bad teams, and
Speaker 7: even as poorly as you were playing right now, you
Speaker 7: should beat those teams with some degree of regularity in September.
Speaker 7: But you know, the way they're playing right now and
Speaker 7: the inconsistency of it, and Cal and Julio and Josh,
Speaker 7: Josh not hitting for any power. He's hitting fine, it's
Speaker 7: just no power whatsoever.
Speaker 8: Cal, we know about him, and Julio.
Speaker 7: You hope last night was a step in the right direction,
Speaker 7: but you know, it is just one of those things
Speaker 7: where it's like this group hasn't been good enough for
Speaker 7: one hundred and fifteen games, and now they're going up
Speaker 7: in maybe the toughest stretch for any team in baseball
Speaker 7: this year over the next two to three weeks, and
Speaker 7: can they survive that? By the way, after all of that,
Speaker 7: they get a break by going to Toronto for three
Speaker 7: who's still even though they sold, they're still.
Speaker 8: A decent team. They can obviously do some damage against you.
Speaker 7: And then yeah, they go to Fenway and they play
Speaker 7: the Red Sox, who are the hottest team at baseball.
Speaker 8: So it's just.
Speaker 7: Like thinking that they can survive that with how they're
Speaker 7: playing right now I have serious doubts. But if they do, yeah,
Speaker 7: they'reus slight at the end of the tunnel and theory
Speaker 7: at least, So that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1: Okay, I will say before thy answers, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sick o because I was
Speaker 1: looking up pitching probables for this upcoming road trip. So
Speaker 1: against the Yankees, they're gonna miss Cole and Schlitzler, although
Speaker 1: Schlitzler's worse at home than on the road. The flip
Speaker 1: side to that is you get two leptis in that series,
Speaker 1: because that means you probably get freedom, you probably get weathers.
Speaker 1: And then if you want to look all the way
Speaker 1: ahead to Milwaukee, if everything stays the same right now,
Speaker 1: not only do they get miss in the first start
Speaker 1: or in the first game of the series, they get.
Speaker 2: Miss on an extra day's rest. So that'll be fun.
Speaker 2: That'll be a fun road trip.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm very optimistic about that, clearly. Uh all right,
Speaker 6: what am I What am I optimistic about? I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to seeing this lineup together. Obviously the
Speaker 6: first game was a disaster with this lineup altogether, but
Speaker 6: I am looking forward to seeing this lineup if it
Speaker 6: can all stay healthy, how this progresses over the final
Speaker 6: two months. I am, you know, like looking forward to
Speaker 6: potentially seeing Kate Anderson at some point hopefully maybe you
Speaker 6: know Michael Roy as well, who's just destroying the baseball
Speaker 6: down in TRIPLEA, which like obviously don't want to get
Speaker 6: two fooled by PCL numbers, but still like he's been awesome,
Speaker 6: so so like that stuff like makes me optimistic just
Speaker 6: about like my enjoyment of this team before, which is
Speaker 6: kind of how I've shifted my perspective on this season
Speaker 6: as whole, because I've said it on the show, like
Speaker 6: I've kind of I'm kind of out on like just
Speaker 6: buying it on this team and the rest of the
Speaker 6: way until they give me like a real reason to
Speaker 6: feel like I should be back in on them. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean to Colby's point, like if they do get
Speaker 6: to September, then they have a really really good shot.
Speaker 6: You know, if they can get to September kind of
Speaker 6: in roughly the same spot that they're in right now,
Speaker 6: then they have a really good shot to capitalize on that.
Speaker 6: Well they actually do that, I don't know, because they've
Speaker 6: played a lot of bad teams this year, and they
Speaker 6: haven't been able to handle business against them, you know,
Speaker 6: and they've gotten swept by teams like the Royals and
Speaker 6: they you know, we're only able to go three and
Speaker 6: three on that homestand coming out of all start bringing
Speaker 6: against the Giants of the Red. So just because they
Speaker 6: have an easy schedule doesn't necessarily mean that they're going
Speaker 6: to take advantage of it. So and that just kind
Speaker 6: of you know, goes hand in hand with what I'm
Speaker 6: pessimistic about. It's just like, this team has shown us
Speaker 6: who they are, and we're far past the point where
Speaker 6: like it's it's more than justifiable to just feel like
Speaker 6: that's that's who they are, you know, and just take
Speaker 6: that at face value, you know. So we'll see there's obviously,
Speaker 6: like again, like I said, you know, with with this
Speaker 6: lineup and with Kate and with you know, Arroyo and
Speaker 6: maybe Sloan. Eventually we'll see like there are like some
Speaker 6: things that are you know, that are exciting potentially exciting
Speaker 6: to to look forward to over the course of these
Speaker 6: final two months, and then you know, we'll see if
Speaker 6: they make things interesting in terms of the standings and
Speaker 6: all that.
Speaker 3: I noticed another of you said the name Dan Wilson.
Speaker 6: Hm hmm, yeah, there might be a reason for that.
Speaker 2: We never talk We never talk about them on ARC though.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah, I've never I've never heard about
Speaker 6: the Marine Layer podcast and they're just stand for one,
Speaker 6: mister Dan Wilson.
Speaker 7: Definitely not I've never heard of some kind.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, definitely not.
Speaker 7: Dissect his managerial decisions which are always yeah, they are
Speaker 7: always sound and logic waste.
Speaker 8: So you know Dan is perfect.
Speaker 1: Okay, uh huh okay, speaking of that, I will get
Speaker 1: one question like this and while we wrap this up
Speaker 1: talking a little bit about the fiftieth weekend, and then
Speaker 1: I'll get an actual question. But you guys bring him up,
Speaker 1: say they lose here on Thursday and or especially if
Speaker 1: they lose badly on Friday, Is this dude getting booed?
Speaker 6: I think he might. I think, I think I think
Speaker 6: no matter what he might.
Speaker 3: I.
Speaker 7: Hope not, because I like, look, nobody has probably been
Speaker 7: more critical of Dan will Wi then me and I
Speaker 7: probably stand by that dude's not good at his job,
Speaker 7: but he is like a Mariner legend, like he has
Speaker 7: an all time great and what he's done for the
Speaker 7: franchise before he stepped in as the manager.
Speaker 8: Also, you know, he did manage the team to the
Speaker 8: a LCS, which is one hundred percent him.
Speaker 7: By the way, nobody elped him, just him.
Speaker 6: Dan.
Speaker 7: Dan is the only reason we got that far, if
Speaker 7: you believe some people in YouTube comments, and he was
Speaker 7: recommended by Loopenella. As we know, eighty year old Lupenella
Speaker 7: should definitely dictate baseball terms in twenty twenty six. But anyways,
Speaker 7: I would hope he doesn't get boozed, just because you know,
Speaker 7: he means a lot to the franchise and the community
Speaker 7: as a whole.
Speaker 8: I don't think.
Speaker 7: Saturday or yeah, Saturday is like a day for booing
Speaker 7: and displeasure. It's just kind of a day for like
Speaker 7: looking back at where we've been and then we can
Speaker 7: get back to after the ceremony's over, looking to where
Speaker 7: we want to go and questioning whether or not Dan
Speaker 7: Wilson is the right guy to help us get there.
Speaker 7: He's not spoilers, but yeah, I hope he doesn't. I
Speaker 7: just I feel like that kind of defeats the purpose
Speaker 7: of the whole thing. But also I'm not going to
Speaker 7: be too upset if he does, Like what are you
Speaker 7: gonna do?
Speaker 6: You know, Like, yeah, I would not be a surprised,
Speaker 6: though I'm not sure if it would be like loud
Speaker 6: enough to be like overall perceived in any sort of
Speaker 6: significant way, you know, because like like last night, you know,
Speaker 6: when he got ejected and all that, like people loved it,
Speaker 6: you know, so like and I think, like I think
Speaker 6: there's still like a pretty large like part of the
Speaker 6: casual fan base that like like Stan, you know.
Speaker 8: I wasn't I just don't want to be my managers all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, and yeah, like Dan seems like a nice
Speaker 6: guy and all that, and yeah, obviously you know, he's
Speaker 6: basically a Mariner lifer and and you know, helped out
Speaker 6: in the organization a lot even before he was a manager.
Speaker 6: It's just you know, again, like we've talked about this
Speaker 6: a lot, like how big of a problem is Dan? Really?
Speaker 6: Like the biggest problem with this team is like your
Speaker 6: stars are not being stars for the most part, right,
Speaker 6: And like if they were, then Dan would look a
Speaker 6: lot better, right, Like sure, like Dan probably at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, he's like five to ten to
Speaker 6: fifteen percent of the problem or whatever, right, but he's
Speaker 6: still part of the problem. And so you know, and like,
Speaker 6: I do feel like the impact of managers does get
Speaker 6: overblown at times. We've talked about this, We talked about
Speaker 6: this when people wanted Scott to be fired and all that.
Speaker 6: It's just like, I don't think that's really going to
Speaker 6: fix much right now, but you know, but still, like
Speaker 6: you want to put yourself in a better position to succeed.
Speaker 6: I don't think Dan Wilson puts this team in a
Speaker 6: better position to succeed. And that's just what it is.
Speaker 6: And so like if they moved on from him, I
Speaker 6: would totally understand that. That's how sports work, right, Like,
Speaker 6: I don't think it's this like negative thing to be like, Hey,
Speaker 6: this team had incredible expectations, sky high expectations going into
Speaker 6: the season after the way that last year ended, and
Speaker 6: they have fallen well short of the mark. And I think,
Speaker 6: you know, beyond you know, cal struggles this year and
Speaker 6: Julio's inconsistencies and Josh Naylor's lack of power and all
Speaker 6: that stuff, I think beyond that, you know, this team
Speaker 6: has just been and it's been a little better as
Speaker 6: of late, but like for the most part of this year,
Speaker 6: this team has been a bad fundamental baseball team, Like
Speaker 6: they're bad at the things that you've learned in the
Speaker 6: Little league, right, Like, you know, thinking about just all
Speaker 6: the defensive miscues and West and Wilson going to third
Speaker 6: on you know, on a ball that said to the
Speaker 6: short stop in Miami, and you know, and and and
Speaker 6: it's not just the Wes and Wilson's of the world though, right,
Speaker 6: Like it's the guys at the top of the roster.
Speaker 6: It's you know, the all the issues with Randy, especially
Speaker 6: on the defensive side of things, or Randy forgetting the
Speaker 6: count and going to second, you know, with bases loaded
Speaker 6: against Kansas City and ending that threat. And you know,
Speaker 6: it's it's all that stuff that I think does ultimately
Speaker 6: reflect on leadership and on the manager and on the
Speaker 6: culture that is being cultivated there. And like, you know,
Speaker 6: we obviously don't know what happens behind closed doors. You know,
Speaker 6: we can only guess, right, But like it, for a
Speaker 6: long time this season, it just didn't feel like a
Speaker 6: club that had much accountability, if at all. And I
Speaker 6: do think that is a reflection to at least a
Speaker 6: certain degree of the manager. Right. And so from that
Speaker 6: perspective and from just the simple fact of this being
Speaker 6: sports and you have fallen well under expectations. If they
Speaker 6: did move on from him, I would not be surprised.
Speaker 6: I think it would be totally justified. And yeah, I
Speaker 6: you know, even when they handed him the keys, I
Speaker 6: was fine with them giving him an audition and then
Speaker 6: reassessing after the season. It was just why did you
Speaker 6: give him the keys immediately? You know? And so like
Speaker 6: the fact that they just shut themselves off from even
Speaker 6: going through an actual proper managerial hiring experience right like that,
Speaker 6: that to me really bothered me. And I've always felt
Speaker 6: like he just like it just never felt like he
Speaker 6: was the guy. And like I've I said this back
Speaker 6: when Dan got hired too, that like I felt like
Speaker 6: the type of manager they needed, especially going from Scott
Speaker 6: with someone that had been there and done that. And
Speaker 6: what I mean by that it's like actually win a championship,
Speaker 6: you know, And like at the time it was Tito,
Speaker 6: which I don't know if Tito actually wanted to, you know,
Speaker 6: if there would be any interest in coming to Seattle,
Speaker 6: But now it's like, could you get it, like a
Speaker 6: Bruce Bochie to come in And I'm not saying that
Speaker 6: like that has to be it, but like I did
Speaker 6: feel like for that specific group that maybe they needed
Speaker 6: someone more like that had that knows what it takes
Speaker 6: to get to a world series. But you know, obviously
Speaker 6: that has to align with the front office. That's how
Speaker 6: the marriage are going to handle business, you know, to
Speaker 6: a certain degree. So I don't know, there's a lot
Speaker 6: of complicated things with it, but yeah, in general, like
Speaker 6: I don't think Dan's the guy to take this thing
Speaker 6: forward personally for a lot of different reasons. And I
Speaker 6: think there are a lot of things, say you can
Speaker 6: point you that would make it a very justified decision
Speaker 6: if they did move on from him.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you guys this to wrap this thing up.
Speaker 1: But on a more positive note, fiftieth weekend player, your
Speaker 1: most excited to.
Speaker 6: See Oh Kyle see you. Yeah, that's not a surprise
Speaker 6: on the slightest.
Speaker 1: And by the way, like you can say whatever he
Speaker 1: wants about, like, hey, I've got prior obligations this weekend,
Speaker 1: Like well you knew this was going on.
Speaker 6: Like yeah, we we we know why he's not coming.
Speaker 7: And yeah, I don't care if he's Sara or not,
Speaker 7: like he should be one of the fifty, but I
Speaker 7: don't care if he's Sara or not, so.
Speaker 6: Whatever, I hope to see. And we had Ryan Devishan
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago, and he brought this person
Speaker 6: up as well as someone that he wanted to see
Speaker 6: on the Yeah, I don't. I don't think he will,
Speaker 6: but I would love to see Mike Zanino make this team. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's just I would also love to see Fernando Rodney
Speaker 6: make this team. That would be so fun and like
Speaker 6: if he came out shot the arrow, like that would
Speaker 6: be electric. So there's those are a couple of like
Speaker 6: fringe guys you know from like the you know, the
Speaker 6: last decade that I would I would like to see.
Speaker 6: But yeah, someone that uh, I mean like I really
Speaker 6: want to see a rod and I'm really interested to
Speaker 6: see what they were. And by the way, if you
Speaker 6: boo him, well I was about to say a bad word.
Speaker 6: You get what I'm about to say.
Speaker 2: Our podcast allows all the curbing you want.
Speaker 6: So okay, well if you boo him, fuck you.
Speaker 1: Like if it's on site this weekend and I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk about it's.
Speaker 7: Like that, that's my answer because like I'm I I
Speaker 7: have a I have a hot take and I'm a
Speaker 7: little I know you guys do like the clips of
Speaker 7: your shows, and I'm a little afraid this might get
Speaker 7: pulled for like the poll coude here when I have
Speaker 7: I have a hot base that most Mariner fans will
Speaker 7: absolutely hate. But screw you. I think a hundred accurate.
Speaker 7: You should be more mad at Griffy than a rod
Speaker 7: because Griffy left you twice, like just high and dry.
Speaker 7: And the first time he said, I will only accept
Speaker 7: a trade to the Cincinnati Reds, and he greatly limited
Speaker 7: what you were able to get, and he left you
Speaker 7: right before the greatest run of franchise history. You think
Speaker 7: I Griffy had stuck around in twenty twenty one or
Speaker 7: in two thousand and.
Speaker 1: One, like you, you just you just spoiled ahead of time,
Speaker 1: exactly what I was going to talk about in this
Speaker 1: Friday social media theory.
Speaker 2: So thank you Callby for stepping on my.
Speaker 7: Smart people like understand this, and they're like, hey, let's
Speaker 7: why does Greed geta for literally falling asleep in the
Speaker 7: dugout and missing a pinchhitting opportunity only to get in
Speaker 7: his car and drive away. And by the way, I
Speaker 7: hold no ill will towards Griffy like fine, whatever, okay
Speaker 7: what but yeah, no, And that's it's the same thing
Speaker 7: should apply to a Rod. A Rod did nothing wrong.
Speaker 7: You were gas lit by a bad ownership group into
Speaker 7: thinking that he abandoned you for a little bit more money, No,
Speaker 7: three times the money that you offered.
Speaker 8: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: It's so simple.
Speaker 7: It's like, so I imagine believing the Mariner's ownership group,
Speaker 7: the group who, by the way, tried to derail Randy
Speaker 7: Johnson's career by telling you had degenerative back issues to
Speaker 7: ship them out for thirty cents on the dollar. Who
Speaker 7: you just got like kind of forget who just kind
Speaker 7: of forgave you? And so my thing with with a
Speaker 7: Rod is maritor fans, you don't get to offer your
Speaker 7: apologies or you don't like a Rod has to accept them,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like, you don't get to
Speaker 7: forgive a Rod.
Speaker 8: A Rod has to forgive you.
Speaker 2: Because he did nothing wrong when he was here.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry he didn't.
Speaker 7: And so that's like the the like the the sicko
Speaker 7: answer to me. The real answer is obviously I love
Speaker 7: seeing Nelly every single time he's at.
Speaker 3: The All Park.
Speaker 7: Yeah, just one of my all time favorites. I assume
Speaker 7: you Wakuma. I don't know if he'll be there because
Speaker 7: I you know, I don't know where he's at right now,
Speaker 7: like in real life.
Speaker 8: Is he in Japan?
Speaker 7: I don't know, but uh, I love Youma is one
Speaker 7: of my favorites. And then I'm interested to see if
Speaker 7: Robinson Cano mikes this team as I.
Speaker 6: Should, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think Robbie will make
Speaker 6: the team. I'm I would love to see him though
Speaker 6: at the ballpark on Saturday.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just it's kind of the same conversation. There's
Speaker 7: a lot of like, oh, the Robbie Ray deal was
Speaker 7: a disaster, and I was like, it's no, the Robbie
Speaker 7: Ray deal was incredible. Are the Robbie Ray so no,
Speaker 7: Robinson Cano truck.
Speaker 2: It was incredible.
Speaker 7: That deal work out perfectly and you still were even
Speaker 7: able to trade it once it started to go south
Speaker 7: like that. People always fun to like, well, you don't
Speaker 7: want to overpay, look at the Robinson Can Oh no,
Speaker 7: you get a seven ryer for five years?
Speaker 1: Real shame you put up like twenty five wins in
Speaker 1: five years.
Speaker 6: And yeah, but guys, but guys remembered the scars of
Speaker 6: the Robinson Cano contract.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, who didn't like the Robinson Cano contract?
Speaker 2: Oh the people that run this baseball Like yeah, oh yeah, well.
Speaker 6: And again, and that goes back to what I was
Speaker 6: talking about earlier, that like, yeah, that's kind of the
Speaker 6: thing that you owned you have to do to bring
Speaker 6: some free agencies, Like you're gonna have to give them
Speaker 6: extra years and you're just gonna have to live with
Speaker 6: the fact that, like, hey, years one through six are
Speaker 6: gonna be great, and you's seven through ten probably not
Speaker 6: gonna be that good, you know, but like because but
Speaker 6: the contract is going to pay for itself on the
Speaker 6: first as it did with Robinson. So yeah, so whatever,
Speaker 6: but uh yeah, I'm really excited to see it.
Speaker 7: I know we got to get out of here real fast,
Speaker 7: but I want to ask you guys, like two really
Speaker 7: quick ones.
Speaker 8: Yeah, do you think Josh Naylor makes it?
Speaker 7: Because this is a fan vote thing and he only
Speaker 7: has only been here for so long, but you remember
Speaker 7: the love.
Speaker 8: Affair this fan base said with Josh Naylor right away?
Speaker 8: You think he makes it.
Speaker 6: I don't sure the vading happened before this season.
Speaker 1: You know, but yeah, I don't I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had Gino on my list when we
Speaker 1: made ours.
Speaker 6: But Gino should be on there.
Speaker 3: But he also had two full years before.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, I'll say no on Naylor. But what's
Speaker 2: you know, what's the second one.
Speaker 7: How many guys on the current roster do you think
Speaker 7: makes Obviously Louise will count him even though he's not here,
Speaker 7: but like, at least you know.
Speaker 3: Luise will make it, Logan Gilbert will make it. I
Speaker 3: think Brian will will make it. I think Kirby will
Speaker 3: make it. Bryce is probably the odd man out, yeah,
Speaker 3: I would guess. And then on the core, Col's obviously
Speaker 3: on there, so is Julio. Uh so is JP Crawford?
Speaker 8: Yeah really.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah maybe it's.
Speaker 3: Like right on the right on the cut off, like
Speaker 3: and movie will be on there.
Speaker 7: Movie You'll be in there for sure, yeah, Brah maybe yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, but it'll be firing this weekend. It'll be
Speaker 2: really interesting to see that last. It'll be fun, so yeah,
Speaker 2: it'll be anyway.
Speaker 3: Plus this has been a lot of fun. Well, thank
Speaker 3: you guys for for taking some time. We got to
Speaker 3: do this again. I can't believe it took us this long.
Speaker 3: Over three and a half years of doing this podcast
Speaker 3: to get you both on, so we'll have to have
Speaker 3: you both on.
Speaker 6: This really is the first time that Colby and I
Speaker 6: have both been on here at the Center. That's crazy.
Speaker 6: That's crazy. Yeah, because I know I've been on here
Speaker 6: a couple of times with you guys, but yeah, that's
Speaker 6: that's crazy. Yeah, we absolutely need to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well we've done it once twice over on Lockdown, right. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so I got to do it this morn all.
Speaker 2: When we were on with you guys, people like seem
Speaker 2: to really enjoy it, and this has.
Speaker 6: Been a blast, so yeah yeah, I saw that in
Speaker 6: our comments a lot too, so yeah, yeah, I really
Speaker 6: appreciate it. Thanks guys so much. And you at the
Speaker 6: ballpark this weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah a next time, less background.
Speaker 6: Noise, Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, hopefully no like weird
Speaker 6: voice in the background of my mic.
Speaker 1: Next time, shout out Tyan Colby. It was a blast
Speaker 1: to have him on. It was really fun to talk
Speaker 1: some baseball with them and again cover a bunch of
Speaker 1: different things between trade deadline, State of the team, fiftieth weekend.
Speaker 1: I think people should still be excited about some aspects
Speaker 1: of the fiftieth Weekend, like we talked about, because there'll
Speaker 1: be some really cool elements to it, but paired with
Speaker 1: all that, we were obviously real and talking about the
Speaker 1: state of the team as well, because the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six Mariner as well. It's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: different story, but it was really fun to have them on,
Speaker 1: so I'm glad we did it with that. That'll just
Speaker 1: about wrap up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast.
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