Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.
Speaker 1: It's a thrill to have my guest on the podcast
Speaker 1: today because he had such a huge impact on my life.
Speaker 1: I remember being at the beach, which was something you
Speaker 1: really did in Connecticut, going up to the pavilion and
Speaker 1: hearing the Little Old Lady from Pasadena. I remember buying
Speaker 1: the single, or my mother bought the single for me,
Speaker 1: and then buying one of my favorite albums of all time,
Speaker 1: Command Performance, Jan and Dean live in concert, and Dean
Speaker 1: wore these blue sneakers. I made my mother run all
Speaker 1: over town just so I could have those blue sneakers.
Speaker 1: My guest today on the podcast is Dean Torrance, and
Speaker 1: I still have those sneakers, by the way, really probably Okay,
Speaker 1: now you email me that today is uh Jan's birthday.
Speaker 1: Yes he would have been he passed as you know,
Speaker 1: two thousand four, but he would have been seventy. Okay,
Speaker 1: And how did you meet Jan? We met in high
Speaker 1: school just up the street, well down a couple of
Speaker 1: miles in West Los Angeles. High school, uh called University
Speaker 1: high school? You do, And you know I've been with this,
Speaker 1: wondering this for decades you know why it's called University
Speaker 1: High School? Yes, I do. Oh really you're gonna yeah,
Speaker 1: I can finally, you know, you know more about this
Speaker 1: than I do. Actually UM University High School was called
Speaker 1: University because it was the closest high school to U C.
Speaker 1: L A. Oh, okay, other than the name was or
Speaker 1: any connection you know now, you know as simple as that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a simple I just always wondered you.
Speaker 1: I thingured there must be some connection, but I didn't know.
Speaker 1: So you grew up in what part of l A
Speaker 1: um East West l a Which meant I was right
Speaker 1: around Beverly Glen and Olympic A couple more miles east
Speaker 1: or a mile further east, and I would have had
Speaker 1: to gone to Beverly Hills High School. But there was
Speaker 1: a certain line there that you weren't supposed to go
Speaker 1: over if you weren't living in Beverly Hills, you see.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't cut out to be a Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: High school student, I don't think. And what did your
Speaker 1: father do for a living? Uh? He was in the
Speaker 1: oil business. He right out of college. He got hired
Speaker 1: by a little l A based Actually they were from Texas,
Speaker 1: but they moved all their offices to l A. A
Speaker 1: little company called Wilshire Oil, which you may remember, what
Speaker 1: when did you get here? I got in the mid seventies. No,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't remember. Those of us that like antiques. There
Speaker 1: there was a brand called poly Gas that was part
Speaker 1: of Wilshire Oil, really, and then they sold all of
Speaker 1: that stuff off, probably in the fifties, forties or fifties,
Speaker 1: and then he went to work for the guy who
Speaker 1: owned the company. Okay, so one has to ask, even
Speaker 1: in the time that I've been here, l A has
Speaker 1: changed so much. Traffic is so bad. I remember living
Speaker 1: on the West Side, you go to the valley for
Speaker 1: a movie on a whib. You would never do that today.
Speaker 1: So what was it like growing up in the forties
Speaker 1: and fifties in l A? Beautiful? It was so simple.
Speaker 1: The beach was always ten minutes away, ten or fifteen
Speaker 1: the most um And we just thought, honestly, we thought
Speaker 1: that most young people did the same thing as we did.
Speaker 1: We didn't quite grasp anything, you know, outside of what
Speaker 1: we could see, so we figured everybody mostly lived like this,
Speaker 1: I mean, so we didn't really even know it was
Speaker 1: all that special, particularly okay, and you have brothers or sisters?
Speaker 1: Had a younger sister, yes, And what did her life
Speaker 1: turn out to be? Um? Pretty interesting for a while,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately she got Parkinson's past. She passed away like
Speaker 1: about six years ago. But I ended up with a
Speaker 1: house that we owned together. It's just up the street
Speaker 1: here and I just went by there. We were renting
Speaker 1: it to some guys from France or Okay, do you
Speaker 1: still hold the house? Yes? And so how did you
Speaker 1: end up with that house? Um? We bought my sister
Speaker 1: and I bought the house in the seventies just because
Speaker 1: she liked restoring older, older homes mostly, and it was
Speaker 1: a nineteen o six craftsman house just off of Franklin
Speaker 1: and uh I love the neighborhood, always like craftsman. Uh.
Speaker 1: So we bought it together as she was going to
Speaker 1: live in it for a while, restore it and then
Speaker 1: move out and rent it, then move on to another house. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's the only one you ended up boating together. Yes,
Speaker 1: I owned a house up the street, up underneath the
Speaker 1: Hollywood sign and probably see that right from your beautiful
Speaker 1: office here. I bought an old Bogart house that was
Speaker 1: built nineteen twenty four, So I I had been restoring
Speaker 1: that one for years. I still own that too. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're going to university high school. First, you know
Speaker 1: there was a surf culture. You mentioned the beach. There
Speaker 1: was also a car coal. Was that something that was
Speaker 1: amped up on the records or was really a big
Speaker 1: car culture? Um? Quite Frankly, we didn't really grafts that
Speaker 1: that that kind of subculture was really that important. And
Speaker 1: for lack of having any other ideas of subject matter
Speaker 1: about songs, because you know, twenty we don't know much
Speaker 1: about relationship songs. All those teenisles were singing all those
Speaker 1: relationship songs, you know, I'm falling in love and breaking
Speaker 1: up and all that. None of that going out in
Speaker 1: our lives. But we did drive hot rods, so we
Speaker 1: thought we we know pretty much all there is to
Speaker 1: know about hot rods. Like, maybe maybe that'll interest the
Speaker 1: you know, the record lovers out there. We didn't know.
Speaker 1: We found out, yes, that was important that in the
Speaker 1: serf culture, of course, the beach culture. Okay. Now, the
Speaker 1: first I remember going to the record story. You'd always
Speaker 1: looked through the catalog and there was an album Jane
Speaker 1: Deine's greatest hits with a gold cover. Okay, with baby Talk,
Speaker 1: et cetera. When were those tracks? Hits? Late fifties? Late
Speaker 1: included Barbaraane by the way, Okay, but who did the
Speaker 1: original Barbarianne their regions? Okay, did your Barbarianne hit the chart? No,
Speaker 1: it was just just for an album, just an album fillers. Okay.
Speaker 1: So you're going to university high how do you meet Jen?
Speaker 1: We're on the We're on the football team together. Just
Speaker 1: so happened we had lockers right next to one another,
Speaker 1: so I was forced to talk to him. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't think I liked him. Well, he was he
Speaker 1: was Chan, you know, everybody, everybody knew who he was,
Speaker 1: and he kind of did whatever he wanted to do
Speaker 1: whenever he wanted to do it. And I came from
Speaker 1: a family that you don't break rules, and all that
Speaker 1: rules were nothing to him. So I just kind of
Speaker 1: figured he was stuck up, and I didn't even think
Speaker 1: he would last very long on a football team. So
Speaker 1: I tried to avoid him, but he kept offering me
Speaker 1: candy and I turned it down at first because I
Speaker 1: was going out. I can't eat candy before you go,
Speaker 1: you know, work out and practice. That's really stupid. But
Speaker 1: he won me over with the first with the chocolate
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. And then we we
Speaker 1: collectively as as a football team realized we were very,
Speaker 1: very blessed to have these old locker rooms that were
Speaker 1: probably built with thirties with that real nice tile, and
Speaker 1: we had a natural echo chamber. You know, we're where
Speaker 1: our sports lockers were and the shower room was all
Speaker 1: at tile. So man, we all sound when we got
Speaker 1: around and saying do wop as we were, you know,
Speaker 1: showering off and heading home. We want Man, we sound good.
Speaker 1: This is really fun. And of course do wop was
Speaker 1: pretty much made for vocal groups, so more the better.
Speaker 1: So we were in a always band you know of
Speaker 1: vocalists doing doo wop. Now you're living in there. Well, first,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the football team. Did you guys
Speaker 1: were you starters? Did you play? Oh? Yeah? And what
Speaker 1: position did you have? Um? I played, uh, probably what
Speaker 1: would be called a wide receiver wing back they called
Speaker 1: them those days. So I was a wide receiver. My
Speaker 1: dad was, He played at Stanford and he was a
Speaker 1: probably tight end ish type player. Um. So you know,
Speaker 1: when when we would go play ball. He would just
Speaker 1: keep throwing me passes because he didn't learn anything else
Speaker 1: just by being thrown a ball. So it's pretty good
Speaker 1: at catching stuff. Jan it's also really really had good hands.
Speaker 1: He could catch two. So we kind of competed somewhat
Speaker 1: for the same position. Then I ended up playing a
Speaker 1: lot of defense, and so the defensive back or safety
Speaker 1: or something. Now, going back to the candy, do you
Speaker 1: think he saw something in you or you just happened
Speaker 1: to have the locker next to him, just happened to
Speaker 1: have the locker next to him. And then when you
Speaker 1: start doing doo wop in the locker room, who starts that?
Speaker 1: It was probably just totally spontaneous because that's what we
Speaker 1: listened to, you know, in our cars driving to school
Speaker 1: and drive home from school, listen to du wop. So
Speaker 1: of course somebody is going to start humming or singing
Speaker 1: a doop song. And I swear that it was just
Speaker 1: so spontaneous, and nobody sat down and said, hey, let's
Speaker 1: sing a song. Somebody just starts singing. Lord, I don't
Speaker 1: remember who, but everybody's always kind of humming or singing
Speaker 1: or whistling. And then because it's doo wop. That's one vocal,
Speaker 1: so somebody else would add in the second vocal. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you have five or six
Speaker 1: or seven or eight people all singing stuff, picking different
Speaker 1: parts because there's plenty of parts. And I noticed nobody
Speaker 1: was doing a falsetto, so I put that falsetto party
Speaker 1: and he went, oh, now we have a full, full
Speaker 1: on vocal group here. And who has just started had
Speaker 1: innocently who decided okay, because you know, you're living in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. The whole of the recording industry is supposed
Speaker 1: to be an omaha or something who decides, well, maybe
Speaker 1: we should go professional. Oh that was all Jane. See.
Speaker 1: Jane had an IQ about one seventy in arrange mensa
Speaker 1: type of stuff, and we were just all hoping to,
Speaker 1: you know, get passing grades. So he didn't have to
Speaker 1: study very much. And he was way ahead of us
Speaker 1: in visualizing and thinking and in his mind which where
Speaker 1: he was going to go. And we had no idea
Speaker 1: except we're going home after practice and doing our homework.
Speaker 1: So he was a visionary um. He also his dad
Speaker 1: had made him a music room out of her garage
Speaker 1: because my girlfriend went to high school with you know,
Speaker 1: one of his sisters. He came from a huge family
Speaker 1: of like kids, you're right. And then what did his
Speaker 1: father do for a living that he could afford to
Speaker 1: build a music room? He worked for Howard Queues. Wow.
Speaker 1: He was one of Howard Hughes's right hand men. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's quite a famous picture of Howard Hughes in the
Speaker 1: Spruce Goose airplane that he built all out of wood,
Speaker 1: and he's sitting Howard the picture well that there's like
Speaker 1: four or five six guys behind him. He's in the
Speaker 1: cockpit and one of those guys as Jan's dad. Wow.
Speaker 1: So who let me? Years years or later after he retired,
Speaker 1: they pulled him out of retirement to help them disassemble
Speaker 1: the airplane because somebody up in the Oregan wanted it
Speaker 1: or something right, right, they from story right, So he
Speaker 1: he was involved in making that all happen. Okay, So
Speaker 1: he built Janet music room. And what we inspired there, well,
Speaker 1: one of the most important parts was Howard Hughes. And
Speaker 1: of course you know he wanted to be in and
Speaker 1: show biz. As you know, he happened to be an
Speaker 1: audio file of at least you know, fifties version of it.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of home Ampex home tape recorders
Speaker 1: and he was getting rid of them because he was
Speaker 1: upgrading all of us his U electrical stuff. So he
Speaker 1: gave and he thought about it, and I guess because
Speaker 1: he came up to Jan's dad, Bill Perry, and said, hey,
Speaker 1: I got these two tape recorders. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with him. I was just gonna jump him
Speaker 1: or something, but I heard your son is you know,
Speaker 1: likes music, and maybe he could get some use out
Speaker 1: of these that I'll take those. Ub Bill took him,
Speaker 1: took him home, bought Jan a microphone, or I don't
Speaker 1: think a microphone came from Howard Hughes. So we cut
Speaker 1: our very first top tune record on those on those
Speaker 1: two home im pexas okay, and that record was baby Talk. Okay.
Speaker 1: So your guys are still in high school, they have
Speaker 1: the music room, So how does it ultimately come together
Speaker 1: and record and be professional. Well, the football season ended,
Speaker 1: so we needed we needed to go someplace else to
Speaker 1: sing our songs after school because now the baseball team's
Speaker 1: plan or the track team, so we're out of those
Speaker 1: locker rooms. And Jan said, well, I got some tape
Speaker 1: recorders up at the house, and he had figured out
Speaker 1: how to uh do some wiring tricks one machine to
Speaker 1: the other and be able to cause nice little delay echo.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as good as the shower room, but it worked,
Speaker 1: you know, as as an echo because once we heard
Speaker 1: ourselves with that an echo. So luckily he had two
Speaker 1: machines and he was able to create that echo and
Speaker 1: made you feel like it was more like like a
Speaker 1: real recording. And he knew enough chords on the pianos,
Speaker 1: so we had a piano and one of these microphones
Speaker 1: sitting right in between all of us and channel bang
Speaker 1: out the chords and we'd sing live. And how many
Speaker 1: guys were there at that point it fluctuated. It went
Speaker 1: from you know, six or eight guys down to four,
Speaker 1: back up to six, back down to three, backup to five.
Speaker 1: It fluctuated depending on who had a new girlfriend or
Speaker 1: who you know had a job after school all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, because they don't have to have an income
Speaker 1: to spend on a girlfriend and or on a car
Speaker 1: and getting something chromed. And after a while I assumed
Speaker 1: a certain guys went, you know, this has been fun,
Speaker 1: but it's time we move on, and graduation did come along,
Speaker 1: and everybody just kind of went off like blowing leaves,
Speaker 1: all in different tractions. All of a sudden, we looked
Speaker 1: around and it's just to us. So at that point
Speaker 1: we didn't want to be a duo, but we were
Speaker 1: forced to be a duo because nobody else seemed to
Speaker 1: be interested. What was the first track you tried to shop? Um?
Speaker 1: We were working on a song, a doop song at
Speaker 1: one of our buddies, his name is Arnie, Arnie Ginsburg.
Speaker 1: He had come up with this idea and we toyed
Speaker 1: around with it and finished it and then saying about
Speaker 1: fifty different versions of it. Um. And then one one weekend,
Speaker 1: Jan decides that he had heard about a recording studio
Speaker 1: and that you could go get a demo made so
Speaker 1: you could take it off of it because not that
Speaker 1: many people out of real to real machines sitting around.
Speaker 1: So he said, you know, you can go to recording studio.
Speaker 1: We can take our our tape in and then they'll
Speaker 1: transfer the tape onto a disk and it'll look like
Speaker 1: a real record. Well that was pretty exciting. Well how
Speaker 1: much does that say? Like twenty bucks? I go home? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm really busy that actually I was. I was sure.
Speaker 1: I told him I was a half a semester ahead
Speaker 1: of him. So I was going to go right out
Speaker 1: of high school going to the army because some recruiter
Speaker 1: came to our high school and told us about the
Speaker 1: reserve program that you only had to go in active
Speaker 1: duty for six months. That sounded like good deal. Draft
Speaker 1: was going on. Yeah, there was a draft, so we
Speaker 1: had to we had to think about that. Although we
Speaker 1: were eighteen years old. You'll catch up with you sooner
Speaker 1: or later. So luckily I had very smart Asian friends,
Speaker 1: and they all thought that was a good idea and
Speaker 1: kind of talked me into it, and so we kind
Speaker 1: of all went in a buddy system. Probably ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen of us we missed a summer, and that was
Speaker 1: probably a great summer too. In the fifties, we missed
Speaker 1: the summer, but we got out right in time to,
Speaker 1: you know, either go to Most of them were all
Speaker 1: going to college in September, so I missed that summer,
Speaker 1: got out in September, and we'd be home free at
Speaker 1: thest for a while. We're still in the army, but
Speaker 1: you didn't have to do active duty, and you had
Speaker 1: to go to meetings, so that's what I was going
Speaker 1: to do. So Janne calls me the night before he's
Speaker 1: going to the recording studio because it was on a weekend,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, no, you remember I told you
Speaker 1: I'm going in the army and I'm never heack Sunday,
Speaker 1: I got to get on that bus and go to
Speaker 1: Ford Org. So I'm not going to be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, go to the recording studio. I just didn't
Speaker 1: want to come up with the twenty bucks. I figured
Speaker 1: he probably had it, but but I did have a
Speaker 1: new girlfriend and my last day, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: do this. So he just couldn't understand what I was
Speaker 1: going to do it. And then he said, well wait
Speaker 1: a minute, he said army. I said, chan, I told
Speaker 1: you just for six months. I'll be back in September.
Speaker 1: Well okay, So he goes to the recording studio. I'm
Speaker 1: off in the snow someplace with a new girlfriend and
Speaker 1: a couple other guys. Come back and I'm getting my
Speaker 1: stuff ready, packing my stuff, and he calls up and
Speaker 1: he says, I want to recordian studio and I'm making,
Speaker 1: you know, making that demo thing, and some guy some
Speaker 1: stranger just comes into that little booth that they had
Speaker 1: for the thing, you know, and this guy comes in.
Speaker 1: He says, he's you know, he's an A R man
Speaker 1: with Darwin Records and what is that song? And Jan said, well,
Speaker 1: I told him that, you know, that was just a
Speaker 1: song that we were just kind of working on and
Speaker 1: that actually the only place where we were going to
Speaker 1: play it's at our next party. And this guy here's
Speaker 1: that and he wants to hear it again. And then
Speaker 1: he said, you know, I want it. I want that,
Speaker 1: I want that. I'll put that out. I'll make you
Speaker 1: bigger than the Everly Brothers. Nobody could be. So Jan's
Speaker 1: telling me that we're going to be bigger than the
Speaker 1: Everly Brothers and and and you're doing what you're leaving tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, you call him up and tell him
Speaker 1: that that you're going to be you know, we're going
Speaker 1: to be bigger than the Brothers. I said, am I
Speaker 1: going to call? Do you figure out who to call?
Speaker 1: I'm going how do you call up the army? And
Speaker 1: tom one? I said, maybe, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Eisenhower might still be there or somebody. I really don't
Speaker 1: know him. One of its pins. But other than that snay,
Speaker 1: I just thought he was full of it. Nothing's going
Speaker 1: to happen in six months. Nothing ever happened when you're eighteen,
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen. So I go off into the army alone.
Speaker 1: Behold that record gets finished. They overdubbed some real instruments
Speaker 1: on it, and it's a top ten record. And that
Speaker 1: record was Jinny Lee By Jan when I heard it
Speaker 1: on her. A buddy of mine heard it up in
Speaker 1: the army and came arounding up to me with a
Speaker 1: little portable radio because he was familiar with the songs. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm listening to it. Sure sounds like the little demo
Speaker 1: we did up with a saxophone a few other instruments
Speaker 1: that you could hear. I'm going, oh my god. When
Speaker 1: I left, we were called the Barons. So at the
Speaker 1: end of it, the guy says, that's a big hit,
Speaker 1: you know, out of l A. This is a smash
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, and that's Jinny Lee By. I'm
Speaker 1: waiting to hear the Barons Jan and Arnie what. I
Speaker 1: really thought it blown? It just um, there's nothing I
Speaker 1: could do about it that particularly, So I found a
Speaker 1: pay phone. Of course I tried, and in those days
Speaker 1: you only had had a house phone. And um, I
Speaker 1: finally did reach him and I said, you know, I listen,
Speaker 1: was listening to the radio up here in four Ord
Speaker 1: I heard and I heard our hour song. He said,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, I said to yeah, yeah, Well you
Speaker 1: know they said Jane and Arnie. Well he said, you
Speaker 1: weren't here. Oh but didn't I sing? He said, now
Speaker 1: we took your part off. Okay um, And and basically
Speaker 1: that was They did another two that was a top
Speaker 1: ten record, and they had two other singles that didn't
Speaker 1: do it quite as well, but didn't done to Clark
Speaker 1: and they had a lot of exposure and stuff. Now
Speaker 1: tell my audience the derivation of the song, Jennie Lee,
Speaker 1: Can we say that on their radio? Yes, on a podcast.
Speaker 1: Any language is possible. She was a topless dancer, exotic dancer.
Speaker 1: I guess you would say, um, you know, first she
Speaker 1: was the first topless dancer we'd ever seen. You know,
Speaker 1: that was an adult type. Um, and so we should
Speaker 1: go downtown l A to to see her dance. I
Speaker 1: do have her little at someplace in my and that
Speaker 1: collection of stuff. Because parking was free as I remember,
Speaker 1: So it was down in l a And and somehow
Speaker 1: it came up with the bumps, the bump bump bump
Speaker 1: stuff and and just through in her name. Basically we
Speaker 1: didn't really talk about what she did, right, but the
Speaker 1: inspiration did come from from Ginnie Lee, who was what
Speaker 1: was pretty famous at the time. So you're out of
Speaker 1: the army in September, that's what happens. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, um, I had come home for on leave once,
Speaker 1: and of course I went right up to Jan's house
Speaker 1: and and he and Arnie and others. Now there's an entourage,
Speaker 1: guys smoking cigars, the suits, guys and it I could
Speaker 1: tell it was strained by this time because they're looking
Speaker 1: for a follow up single. And I spent maybe ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen minutes there and I said, you know, let's
Speaker 1: see you guys later. I left, but I had it
Speaker 1: just didn't have the same vibe. It was so much fun,
Speaker 1: just the guys just singing around a piano. And now
Speaker 1: this was now this was business, so I didn't feel
Speaker 1: too badly about it, but still it would have been fun.
Speaker 1: That would have liked to have at the time thought
Speaker 1: that experience. What's probably pretty neat. But anyway, I just
Speaker 1: chalked it up to, you know, they already have a career,
Speaker 1: and I had no idea when or not he would
Speaker 1: last or not. So I went back, finished the service,
Speaker 1: came back. Uh, our same old buddies called me up
Speaker 1: one night and said, we're playing sam Lot football back
Speaker 1: at UNI High and like we used to do on Sundays,
Speaker 1: you know when it comes that sure got there. I
Speaker 1: didn't think Jan would be there because I mean, he's
Speaker 1: he's now, he's now our records star, you know, rock
Speaker 1: and roll star, and lo and behold he was there,
Speaker 1: and so you know, everybody's friends and it was just
Speaker 1: like get ever it was after that game he approached
Speaker 1: me and said, I want to work on some music. Yeah. Man.
Speaker 1: I tried not to look too excited because I was going, why,
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't you have another partner? And I probably,
Speaker 1: as I remember, I did, to ask, well, where's Arnie?
Speaker 1: Because I just didn't want to go up and fool
Speaker 1: around them, you know, get interested and then not have
Speaker 1: any part of it. Really, he said, I don't know, Arnie,
Speaker 1: just he just isn't interested. He isn't interested. Who the
Speaker 1: hell would not be interested in being on the Dick
Speaker 1: Clark Show and hanging out with the Nette Funicello and
Speaker 1: Frankie Avalon and owns. People are just so I said,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, man, I'm let's go. Followed him up to
Speaker 1: his house and it was just back to the normal,
Speaker 1: right to the football game. He went way to his house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Sunday, you know, nothing else to do. He
Speaker 1: was at u c l A by this time, so
Speaker 1: he did have classes the next day, and I was
Speaker 1: at City College in Santa Monica, and so we did
Speaker 1: have classes on Mondays. So hell yeah, Sunday night we
Speaker 1: worked on some songs. I didn't really have very much,
Speaker 1: but um, I mean songs are as you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you don't have the material, it doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: what you know, how well you sing or don't sing,
Speaker 1: or or your arrangements or any of that stuff, or
Speaker 1: what label you're on. If you don't have that piece
Speaker 1: of material, you really don't have a career. And since
Speaker 1: we are full time students, didn't really have a lot
Speaker 1: of kid to sit around and and write songs. I
Speaker 1: mean that takes some effort and some time to do.
Speaker 1: So normally we would just try and find songs that
Speaker 1: were on on small indie labels and cover songs. Now,
Speaker 1: Jan had a beautiful scam. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: knew about this one. He had print shop at University
Speaker 1: High School. Mr Fukuzawa, by the way, you remember him,
Speaker 1: of course, Mr Fukuzawa taught Jan very well how to
Speaker 1: print a letter head and a business card and all that.
Speaker 1: So Jan printed himself a letter head with a little logo.
Speaker 1: I don't know where he came up with that, and
Speaker 1: I had a little microphones on it and stuff and
Speaker 1: it the title on the letter half was k JAN
Speaker 1: Radio k J A n the Voice of bel Air.
Speaker 1: So he's a smart guy. So he would get all
Speaker 1: the addresses of all the labels that he could find,
Speaker 1: all the major most of the majors weren't real interested
Speaker 1: in rock and roll particularly, but he would find all
Speaker 1: the names of all the little indie labels. And then
Speaker 1: he would tell him that he was a DJ on
Speaker 1: Cage and Radio and that he would appreciate them sending
Speaker 1: their new releases to him at this one one one one, Linda,
Speaker 1: Flora Drive and bell Air and he has five DJs
Speaker 1: come fall five and I was one of them. And
Speaker 1: so he needed five copies of every of every single
Speaker 1: We will go to his house, you know, on weekdays
Speaker 1: and mailed already come and there would be hundreds of records, hundreds.
Speaker 1: We'd open them up and he had a turntable, of course,
Speaker 1: a couple of turntables, and we'd listen and if there
Speaker 1: weren't any good, that was thrown into no good pile
Speaker 1: and then saved our our favorites. So we got a
Speaker 1: lot of um, a lot of good ideas, and a
Speaker 1: lot of songs that were on such small labels they
Speaker 1: were never gonna make it to the radio. And that's
Speaker 1: how you found It's like dumb Moost more or less.
Speaker 1: Then we take the turkeys that we didn't want and
Speaker 1: we would um. We had this little spot above the
Speaker 1: bell Air Country Club and they had a very nice
Speaker 1: golf course, so we were up above maybe a couple
Speaker 1: hundred yards, and we would take those four fives and
Speaker 1: just frisbee them out and see how far on the
Speaker 1: green we could get them, for a good half an
Speaker 1: hour until we ran out of somewhere. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of buried up there, exact worth probably a lot of money.
Speaker 1: So how do you end up you're going to school.
Speaker 1: He's going to school. What is the next step, Well,
Speaker 1: the next step is, yeah, we we just didn't really
Speaker 1: have any material, particularly that that was very inspiring. We
Speaker 1: knew that we had, you know, he already had a
Speaker 1: top ten record in his portfolio, you know, so we
Speaker 1: had to at least have something as good as that song.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty good song. So we we we tried,
Speaker 1: we tried to come up with something um and then
Speaker 1: he went to the Arwin. Irwin, by the way, was
Speaker 1: owned by Doris Day and it was pretty much attack shelter.
Speaker 1: I don't think she expected to have any hits on
Speaker 1: that level. Now her son became Terry Melt. We gave
Speaker 1: a famous producer, very ironic, So Terry, that's probably so.
Speaker 1: We were nineteen twenty, so he was probably fifteen. So
Speaker 1: Jan wanted to take me into to Beverly Hills to
Speaker 1: meet the Arwin staff and the A and R guy
Speaker 1: and explained that Arnie was no longer in the picture
Speaker 1: and that I was the new guy. So I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, it should be cool and still have a
Speaker 1: record deal. And uh, we showed up for the meeting
Speaker 1: and got introduced to everybody. And uh, almost in front
Speaker 1: of me. I think they said, you know, to Jan,
Speaker 1: get Arnie back, because that was already it was already
Speaker 1: a name, you know, with it was recognizable names. So
Speaker 1: you know, now you're starting all over with somebody else,
Speaker 1: you know. Well, sticking to this one, Jan said, up,
Speaker 1: I can't reach him. He's not interested. We pretty much
Speaker 1: left there with without them saying that that they would
Speaker 1: release anything promise. A few weeks later they bounce us
Speaker 1: off the label. Jan remembered meeting two young guys that
Speaker 1: were for Sam Cook, and he said, matter of fact,
Speaker 1: these guys wrote, um, wrote a hit for Sam called
Speaker 1: Wonderful World. It's a it's a ballady. We weren't looking
Speaker 1: for ballads. But at least they're songwriters and that they
Speaker 1: had something to do with, you know, they were kind
Speaker 1: of gophers actually, um, but at least they wrote a
Speaker 1: hit song for Sam. And I guess Jan and Arnie
Speaker 1: had cross paths with Sam Cooke. They were on a
Speaker 1: bill together a couple of times, and these guys would
Speaker 1: always be in the entourage and Jan for some reason
Speaker 1: liked them, respected him and thought they were pretty cool guy.
Speaker 1: They dressed well too, they looked they licked the part
Speaker 1: and we didn't dressed like they did, but they were sharp,
Speaker 1: you know. So Jan said, I'm going to call these guys.
Speaker 1: We need managers, that's what we need. I'm going but
Speaker 1: I don't know what a manager does. That's how they managed.
Speaker 1: They somehow they manage. So I'm going to call these
Speaker 1: guys and just see if they have any interest in
Speaker 1: working with us. So okay, So he says, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call let's see. I got their card and it uh
Speaker 1: was Lou Adler. He said, I'm gonna call this guy Lou.
Speaker 1: And then he has the guy who works with Herb,
Speaker 1: Herb Alberton, I think his name was Herb Alberton. He
Speaker 1: calls him up, tells him that he has a new
Speaker 1: new partner. He wants to see if they have any
Speaker 1: interest at all. Of course they were interested coming a
Speaker 1: meeting with us. He gave him the address and directions
Speaker 1: how to get to this beautiful bell Air home with
Speaker 1: a beautiful view and all that. So when they got there,
Speaker 1: they were pretty pressed with him. So they were in
Speaker 1: their shoot unit editors neat suits and their little thin
Speaker 1: ties and had a little type buttons, little pins. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were they were dressed to kill man. Their first
Speaker 1: recollection of the two of us was we weren't wearing
Speaker 1: any shoes and you know, very Californian, and that being
Speaker 1: went off with both of those guys. This is a
Speaker 1: whole now that become because obviously Arnie Ginsberg was dark
Speaker 1: and he was a Jewish kid, olive skinned, and Jan
Speaker 1: was the blonde, blue eyed, you know, great looking guy.
Speaker 1: And then they saw two blondes, they went, this is
Speaker 1: very unusual because we'll be going up against Frankie and
Speaker 1: Fabian and Bobby Rydell, all those guys. Because still most
Speaker 1: of the industry was on the East coast. They thought
Speaker 1: just even the look was very very interesting to them
Speaker 1: and could could really work. Then of course, then it
Speaker 1: came to finding the song. Well, they were getting demos
Speaker 1: all the time too, you know for Sam stuff, and
Speaker 1: some of it wasn't suited for Sam. So they went
Speaker 1: through all their demos and they came up with baby Talk.
Speaker 1: So it's Leu and Herbert came up with baby Talk
Speaker 1: and thought that would fit our style perfectly. Don't shoot.
Speaker 1: The four of us worked on baby Talk, Don't We
Speaker 1: finished it, but it was cut in Jan's music room. Yes,
Speaker 1: we we would make make the records exactly the opposite
Speaker 1: from how you're supposed to do it. We do the
Speaker 1: vocals and the piano first, and then take it to
Speaker 1: the studio guys that put on earphones the studio eyes
Speaker 1: and try and play. Now you think, you know, to
Speaker 1: the normal ear you'd think, yeah, that that's not that
Speaker 1: hard to do. But to a real trained musician studio guy,
Speaker 1: they would say, man, this thing, it's just the meters
Speaker 1: all over the place. I didn't sound that bad to us,
Speaker 1: but again to a real good posisition, so it's very
Speaker 1: hard for them to play to it. But you know,
Speaker 1: they make it work, and you don't throw on the
Speaker 1: yaketyak saxophones. And you had yourself, had yourself a record,
Speaker 1: someone's up to Lou and herb to go shop at,
Speaker 1: which they did. Found it a little indie label called Dora.
Speaker 1: Now Deray had just had the Teddy Bears hit, so
Speaker 1: they had had a that was a big that was
Speaker 1: the number one recording. So they were flush and cash
Speaker 1: man because they had had this big record and they
Speaker 1: liked Baby Talk, and we're willing to put it out
Speaker 1: and make a deal like three at least three singles
Speaker 1: and an LP. Jan and Arnie never had enough material
Speaker 1: to make an LP. I was pretty exciting. We get
Speaker 1: to do an LP too. Wow. Anyway, I'm sory short.
Speaker 1: They put it out and it was another top ten record,
Speaker 1: and of course we did go on Dick Clark and
Speaker 1: we realized that, or probably Lou realized that we needed
Speaker 1: to stand out and be totally different. So he dressed
Speaker 1: us up pretty pretty good, but we wore some kind
Speaker 1: of you know, brighter colors or something that was not
Speaker 1: what the normal guys were wearing. And from there just
Speaker 1: kept getting more and more casual, and pretty soon we
Speaker 1: were showing up and you know, bathing suits and stuff.
Speaker 1: But in surfboards, okay, you cut baby talk, how does
Speaker 1: it roll out? From there? Then it's just the grind
Speaker 1: and then from there it's like, okay, that's neat. You
Speaker 1: got a top ten ver. Yeah, you're right. The interesting
Speaker 1: part about that was all I ever wanted to do
Speaker 1: is see my name on a record. And if I
Speaker 1: saw my name, it was Jan and Dean that army,
Speaker 1: and I could show it to my friends. That's single
Speaker 1: my name. That's all I ever need, right right? I
Speaker 1: saw that look pretty good, you know, two to three
Speaker 1: days later, going if I could only hear it on
Speaker 1: the radio at least once or twice, I think that
Speaker 1: would be pretty cool too. So Lou told us that
Speaker 1: kf w B, which was within blocks of you, is
Speaker 1: as I remember, um, kf w B was going to
Speaker 1: be Mitchell read it was one of the top DJs
Speaker 1: is going to play it and then have a challenge
Speaker 1: of other new records and then you're to call in
Speaker 1: and vote for you for the winner. And so he's
Speaker 1: going to be playing it tonight at round seven o'clock.
Speaker 1: So we're all to listen. We're to tell our friends
Speaker 1: to get on the phone and call. So we did.
Speaker 1: We let all our friends know and we I don't
Speaker 1: remember who we went up against, and maybe it was
Speaker 1: like maybe three singles and then then they would tally
Speaker 1: the votes. So the first time I heard it on
Speaker 1: the radio, I nearly threw up. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: it was really really something. I mean, it was pretty
Speaker 1: I'm exciting. So okay, now we've heard it, and then
Speaker 1: we heard our competition. Competition was okay, and then here
Speaker 1: waiting and we're calling and our parents are calling, and
Speaker 1: so when the announcement comes who won? Uh baby talk one?
Speaker 1: Oh man? You could have just then he got played
Speaker 1: again because it won. We were just ecstatic. We were
Speaker 1: so excited. Then the second night, now the winner of
Speaker 1: course goes against the you know, two more new singles
Speaker 1: that we won again, you know, like three or four
Speaker 1: times in a row. Funny. And I remember telling, we told,
Speaker 1: that's just so excited. Well, I don't know whether maybe
Speaker 1: Jan new, but I didn't. I'm talking to Lou on
Speaker 1: the phone, and I was so excited Luco's you know,
Speaker 1: we her and I managed b Mitchell read, oh I
Speaker 1: see so again that's a kind of the the awakening
Speaker 1: that nothing is really what you think it is. There's
Speaker 1: always something going on. But I mean they ended up
Speaker 1: being top ten records, so despite but that helped that
Speaker 1: we were on the charts in l A because Las
Speaker 1: big market, because Dick Clark would not play a record
Speaker 1: unless you were on on a regional chart from hopefully
Speaker 1: from a major city, because you know, because of all
Speaker 1: that Paola stuff that was going on, and we were
Speaker 1: able to show him this is from kf to to
Speaker 1: be the number one rock and roll station in l A.
Speaker 1: And if we're in the top ten. There he said,
Speaker 1: you guys are on my show. You know, once you're
Speaker 1: on Dick Clark, you were home free. That was hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of recor it's just for one appearance, one
Speaker 1: and if he brought you back, it would double the
Speaker 1: numbers again. And then that was his regular daytime show.
Speaker 1: Then he had that nighttime show. You made the nighttime show.
Speaker 1: That was huge, huge, So we did it all in
Speaker 1: all over the years. I think we did something like
Speaker 1: Clark shows. I mean, he loved us, We loved him,
Speaker 1: and he's a great guy, very much a professional and
Speaker 1: obviously had super talent. So what follows up Baby Talk
Speaker 1: Herb and Lewis song, which was just a valid um.
Speaker 1: I think it charted most of our records at least charted,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't the top ten record. And then we
Speaker 1: did a couple more that weren't weren't They were on
Speaker 1: the charts, but still were not top ten records, and
Speaker 1: then our contract kind of ran out. Um. There was
Speaker 1: another indie label that started right up the street, Liberty
Speaker 1: Records s Home Lenny's Dad, Um. So they were the
Speaker 1: new breed of indie level. They weren't old guys that
Speaker 1: were left over from from you know, the Capitals and
Speaker 1: Columbia's and stuff. Uh, this was really kind of younger
Speaker 1: rock and roll guys. UM, so we wanted to be
Speaker 1: on Liberty. We worked on a version of Heart and Soul.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't remember whose idea it was,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a very good idea. But Jan liked it,
Speaker 1: Blue liked HERB thought it was it it stunk, and
Speaker 1: I didn't particularly like it. It was always the you
Speaker 1: know two and two um that usually Jan and Blue
Speaker 1: usually won, so we at least we recorded it. Everybody
Speaker 1: was not interested in that song. That too was a
Speaker 1: doo wopper, but we were. For some reason, Blue and
Speaker 1: Jan liked it, so they weren't getting off that that
Speaker 1: that song. So they made a two record deal with
Speaker 1: Gene Autrey's label, which was called Challenge. Now they had boy.
Speaker 1: It was a Challenge was absolutely named um but he
Speaker 1: had Tequila. It was a great song, of course, so
Speaker 1: he had had a hit on that small little label
Speaker 1: of his. He was multifaceted. He was into everything from
Speaker 1: real estate too, you name it. He was, don't I
Speaker 1: think he had? He owned the baseball team for a
Speaker 1: while so a fascinating guy, but the label was still
Speaker 1: not where we wanted to be. Anyway, we released that,
Speaker 1: it was like a top thirty or twenty record. It
Speaker 1: just okay. And in the follow up, we just wanted
Speaker 1: to get out of the deal, so we gave him
Speaker 1: just something filler song and we were gone. And then
Speaker 1: we went to Liberty. So what what convinced Liberty did
Speaker 1: go with? You know that we didn't have anything to
Speaker 1: start clean because they had their own producers and stuff,
Speaker 1: so they were thinking if if if we struggled, that
Speaker 1: they could step in, and they had some of the people,
Speaker 1: you know, younger people working for them. Um. And by
Speaker 1: this time Herb had moved on because he didn't think
Speaker 1: we were going to do much after that. He really
Speaker 1: didn't like I didn't like that song. So they broke
Speaker 1: up and Lou Lou Lou and Herb were standing in
Speaker 1: their little office on sunset over a Chinese laundry and
Speaker 1: they had two assets and when was the tape recorder
Speaker 1: and one was Jan and Deine. So Herb said, well,
Speaker 1: would you mind if I took the tape recording listen?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, okay, that's yours. You know, good luck
Speaker 1: Herbert had gone off and recorded with harm with our money,
Speaker 1: used our money to record a song that he thought
Speaker 1: Lou would like and that Lou would realize that we
Speaker 1: probably didn't have much future, and that Lou would go
Speaker 1: with herb. It was some trumpet record, and louis gonna,
Speaker 1: who's gonna buy a record with the guy playing some
Speaker 1: stupid trumpet, and so that's okay. When okay, you can
Speaker 1: keep your demo and and the recorder that plays it,
Speaker 1: and you know, good luck, and off he went, ended
Speaker 1: up with Lonely Bull and all of that. The Tijuana
Speaker 1: Brass so um. We struggled in the beginning, and then
Speaker 1: we came upon a do opera and we knew that
Speaker 1: that was going to be one of our last two operas,
Speaker 1: which was called It was an old fifties forties, late
Speaker 1: forties fifties classics song called Linda and Us, so it
Speaker 1: was kind of our style, and yet it was all
Speaker 1: sung in falsetto. We had not done one of those before,
Speaker 1: so I sang it all in falsetto. And now we're
Speaker 1: double tracking for the first time. We're starting to get
Speaker 1: that little bit fatter sound, and we're liking it and
Speaker 1: at that time we did I think we did Barbaran
Speaker 1: again with fattening the vocals, so we're pretty excited about
Speaker 1: now we're back in the vocal group. Even though it's
Speaker 1: just all us um, it's fun to sing harmonies. So
Speaker 1: we do Lynda on Liberty and it's it's a top
Speaker 1: twenty song, so exactly. So that meant that we would
Speaker 1: get to do uh an LP. Of course, only took
Speaker 1: one hit to make make you to eleven songs, which
Speaker 1: is not that As you know, it's not that easy
Speaker 1: to do. It's hard enough to do one, let alone
Speaker 1: eleven more, and you don't want to give up too
Speaker 1: many real good ones on that because you want to
Speaker 1: save them for singles. So anyway, we do Linda m hmm.
Speaker 1: About that time, we didn't have our own band, but
Speaker 1: we used studio guys um. So when we played live,
Speaker 1: usually the person that that booked us would have to
Speaker 1: hire an opening act that we're self contained, they would
Speaker 1: play all their own instruments. And this one particular time,
Speaker 1: right around the lended time, we had an offer to
Speaker 1: go play and remember Hermosa Beach and we said, okay,
Speaker 1: so who's the band. They're like a local local band.
Speaker 1: They've had a couple of records out. They're called the
Speaker 1: Beach Boys, so okay, and they'll learn your stuff. That
Speaker 1: we only had like three hits, so they had to
Speaker 1: just learn three hits of ours, and in filler songs,
Speaker 1: we just do you know, classic rock stuff. That was
Speaker 1: easy enough. We got to the high school gymnasium type
Speaker 1: thing and they were in addressing room waiting for us,
Speaker 1: and they had already, of course been practicing. So now
Speaker 1: we're all together practicing. These songs sounded great. We were
Speaker 1: happy with it, they were happy with it. We had
Speaker 1: heard their songs they had at a picture time, they
Speaker 1: had surfing and surfings so far. A Servant Safari was
Speaker 1: the first time they were on the national charts. I
Speaker 1: don't know how how successful it was, but it was
Speaker 1: least it was on the national charts. So we um.
Speaker 1: They go do their opening set and we're called out,
Speaker 1: uh introduced, and then they do our songs plus a
Speaker 1: couple of things that we kind of just worked out together,
Speaker 1: you know, Chuck Berry, just classics, and we closed with
Speaker 1: maybe Linda probably as being our newest hit. We wave
Speaker 1: goodbye to the audience and we go off stage. Well,
Speaker 1: the buyer runs up, goes, you know, hey, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to play, you know, till ten o'clock. It's nine fifty.
Speaker 1: You owe me, you know me, ten more minutes. So
Speaker 1: we we did all the songs we know, well, you
Speaker 1: know you owe me ten more minutes. So what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do? So we told the beach Boys, we've got
Speaker 1: to go back on and fill for you know, ten
Speaker 1: minutes or something. And it's said, it sounded stupid to
Speaker 1: redo your songs, and we didn't want to do that,
Speaker 1: so I said, what about. We said, let's do your songs.
Speaker 1: We'll do that. We know surfing and surfants safari. Well enough,
Speaker 1: let's just do yours again, because now it's been a
Speaker 1: couple of hours since you did them. We just left stage.
Speaker 1: I said, you'll sing our songs. Why don't we know them?
Speaker 1: They're not that hard to sing, and it'll be kind
Speaker 1: of fun. Will be a vocal group, all right, So
Speaker 1: two extra vocals in there, and we did surfing and
Speaker 1: surfings so far, and we strung him out long enough
Speaker 1: to do our ten minutes, and then we said goodbye,
Speaker 1: and everybody was happy and we went that was fun.
Speaker 1: That was really fun to seeing all those four part
Speaker 1: harmonies and doubling the falsettos and man, this was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So we exchange phone numbers and now we were thinking
Speaker 1: about this LP we had to do, and we're also
Speaker 1: thinking that this kind of beach culture thing, I mean
Speaker 1: that we lived at the beach too as well. We
Speaker 1: should start thinking about doing stuff about California instead of
Speaker 1: the duop stuff and move on. So, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a good idea. So we have their phone numbers and
Speaker 1: we decide, okay, standard operating procedure was you had to
Speaker 1: hit sing going you'd put that title on your LP,
Speaker 1: so Linda had to be in the title. So just
Speaker 1: to have a Linda sound a kind of dopey. So
Speaker 1: he said, what about if we say Jan and Dean
Speaker 1: take Linda surfing, they would tie in the surfing. Um
Speaker 1: call up that guy Brian and see if I'm sure
Speaker 1: he won't mind. He's a songwriter, they have those songs
Speaker 1: have already been out once. They're not gonna make any
Speaker 1: more money off with the shelf life is you know
Speaker 1: sixty days that the most so as a songwriter, and
Speaker 1: he could keep the publishing, he should be excited. We
Speaker 1: call him. Of course he's excited, and we said, well,
Speaker 1: you could play the tracks too, if you wanted to
Speaker 1: get the extra extra money. They were all for that.
Speaker 1: They all showed up. We did uh Surfing Surfing Safari
Speaker 1: with our extra two vocals, and unfortunately there was only
Speaker 1: to surf songs ever written. It's hard to fill a
Speaker 1: whole album with two surf songs, so but we to
Speaker 1: be you know, Hamburger help her some way through in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we really liked that whole surf thing.
Speaker 1: So Brian said, do you want to hear our next single?
Speaker 1: I said, oh sure, We're still all sit in the
Speaker 1: studio together, and he plays surf in USA. We went
Speaker 1: it's really good, obviously, really really good. But we said, Brian,
Speaker 1: you know, um, that melody is Chuck Berry's melody, because
Speaker 1: we all love Chuck Berry, so that's his melody, sweet
Speaker 1: little sixteen. Don't you know he can't just take somebody
Speaker 1: else's melody and just change the words. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: not legal, and he's gonna sue you for that and
Speaker 1: will end up not being your publishing or anything. You're
Speaker 1: just gonna have to give that money to him. And
Speaker 1: Brian says, well, my dad said it was okay, said, well,
Speaker 1: your dad works in the machine shot. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure he really knows, you know, what's legal and
Speaker 1: what's not. But we're telling you. You know you're gonna
Speaker 1: get sued. So he said, wow, you know really because
Speaker 1: oh I we jumped in and said, well we know Chuck,
Speaker 1: which we did, and we can call him up, negotiate
Speaker 1: and get the song and then you know, we can
Speaker 1: do the song. He goes, no, nope, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do Surfin Sad. But I do have another song. Let
Speaker 1: me show you this one. Maybe you'll like this one.
Speaker 1: Two Girls for a Free Boy. Yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: But Brian, that doesn't make any sense. You wrote this
Speaker 1: surf City song, So why don't you you finish surf City,
Speaker 1: will finish surf in USA and get the deal from Chuck.
Speaker 1: That way you you'll do something that you totally wrote
Speaker 1: that can stay in your publishing company. No, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do that. I'm tired of surf City here.
Speaker 1: So it was half finished, so either take it or
Speaker 1: leave it, so we'll take it. So obviously it was
Speaker 1: a great song. Um, so luckily we we got that
Speaker 1: song from Brian, and both songs came out around the
Speaker 1: same time. They were both top been records. Virus was
Speaker 1: number one. We were the first surf song to ever
Speaker 1: ever hit that number one Now isn't be credited to
Speaker 1: both Brian and Jan Yeah did you What did you do?
Speaker 1: Win the record? If anything, That's what I was trying
Speaker 1: to figure out. I actually have the handwritten lyrics in
Speaker 1: my files. I've been offered by some Japanese guy offered
Speaker 1: me like twenty grand for it, but I'm keeping it anyways,
Speaker 1: it's handwritten, it's Brian's writing. I cross out a couple
Speaker 1: of lines and with my very distinct I didn't write
Speaker 1: in cursive. I printed because I was in the school
Speaker 1: of architecture, so I only knew how to print. So
Speaker 1: I wrote in a couple of lines were all mine
Speaker 1: that I changed because Brian called the woody a thirty
Speaker 1: three woody and they didn't make a woody, and he
Speaker 1: called it a truck. I have a panel truck at
Speaker 1: call of Witty, and a panel trucks, not a woody.
Speaker 1: Panel trucks is a pound truck, solid metal side. So Brian,
Speaker 1: you know, panel trucks are not a Woody, but the
Speaker 1: station wagon is a woddy. So I got a wagon
Speaker 1: that call of wood Okay, that's okay. So I crossed
Speaker 1: all that how he said it in the original lyrics
Speaker 1: it doesn't have a radio, and I said, Brian, we're
Speaker 1: young people. For for a car that we're driving to
Speaker 1: not have a radio, that's just not right. So it
Speaker 1: should be I ain't got I came up a back
Speaker 1: seat or a rear window. That rhymes, because that's where
Speaker 1: the surfboard goes. So you take out the back seat
Speaker 1: back window, because it's a longboard, it's going to go
Speaker 1: out the back So is that okay? Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that'll be fun. And a few other things we tweaked,
Speaker 1: so I probably ended up writing probably more in jam
Speaker 1: don't remember what he wrote. And we didn't get an
Speaker 1: arguments about stuff like that. But technically I should have
Speaker 1: been one of those writers. But you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: think of it. And again we thought in terms of
Speaker 1: shelf life being sixty ninety days, and you didn't want
Speaker 1: to get in a fight over you know, something like that,
Speaker 1: because you're moving on to the next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: a month and a half later. Two So anyway, it
Speaker 1: came out great. We discovered at that point we'd put
Speaker 1: together the Wrecking Crew guys. Jam was hand picking some
Speaker 1: of these guys and the original Wrecking Crew was Phil
Speaker 1: Spector's band, and then we took the guys we really
Speaker 1: liked and then added in Glenn Campbell, Leon Russell, if You,
Speaker 1: and Larry Nick Doll I few really really good guys,
Speaker 1: and that became our version of the Wrecking Crew and
Speaker 1: that track that it was a real breakthrough for us
Speaker 1: because it just was so damn good. And even Brian
Speaker 1: heard that Brian was still using his guys in the studio.
Speaker 1: We pointed out, Brian, you know, you can pay these
Speaker 1: guys three hundred bucks. They'll get it in two takes,
Speaker 1: and you can probably do three or four songs in
Speaker 1: a session instead of waiting for your guys to get
Speaker 1: off the road. He'd retired from the road. He didn't
Speaker 1: much like the road. He loved creating the records, and
Speaker 1: there was no nothing special about singing live. To him,
Speaker 1: it was tedious and it was time traveling all that
Speaker 1: where he could be producing and writing. So it's a
Speaker 1: perfect deal. The genius is at home writing and arranging
Speaker 1: the tunes, and when you get off the road the
Speaker 1: other guys, and being on the road, you're promoting your
Speaker 1: your music. You have to do that part of it too,
Speaker 1: that's part of the whole package. So it was great.
Speaker 1: They'll be out singing live, Brian will be home writing
Speaker 1: and arranging. So Brian heard the track two to Surf
Speaker 1: City and he said, how'd you do that? You know,
Speaker 1: we gave him hal Blaine's numbers. They call him. You know,
Speaker 1: they'll bring all the same guys you just heard there
Speaker 1: and they'll do your tracks. Leave open guitar stuff for Carl,
Speaker 1: because Carl had very distinctive he had that surf guitar thing. Now,
Speaker 1: so you just you guys, your records are vocal records.
Speaker 1: You don't need to waste a bunch of time on,
Speaker 1: you know, drum tracks. And Dennis sometimes shows up and
Speaker 1: he's been drinking, and these guys make it that much
Speaker 1: easier for you. And all you have to do is
Speaker 1: worry about the vocals, a few signature um instruments, and
Speaker 1: your music. So the next big hit after Surf City
Speaker 1: is Honolulululu, right, another top ten record. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but it was cute and had a little surf that
Speaker 1: that surf guitar. A lot of our records didn't have
Speaker 1: guitars as much as we should have had um, but
Speaker 1: that had a little slide guitar which was kind of neat,
Speaker 1: had a little Hawaiian field to it, so as the
Speaker 1: top ten. Then we had Drag City after that, and
Speaker 1: we're switching over from the beach stuff into the car stuff,
Speaker 1: and Drag City was it was a natural and Brian
Speaker 1: helped help write that one too as well. And from there,
Speaker 1: I don't remember, a dead Man's Curve is thrown in there,
Speaker 1: and a New Girl in School New on School was
Speaker 1: a song that Brian had written many many years before
Speaker 1: called when Summer Comes Gonna Hustle You, and our record
Speaker 1: company told us you can't say hustle you radio. It's
Speaker 1: okay say it on your show, of course. Okay, when
Speaker 1: Summer Comes Gonna Hustle You. Um, I don't know, so
Speaker 1: we rewrote it. I mean we knew that the tune
Speaker 1: was right and that the whole the whole arrangement was perfect.
Speaker 1: It didn't really matter what what the subject matter was.
Speaker 1: Particularly so New Girl in School that became, and that
Speaker 1: was the top twenty record. So and dead man's skirts
Speaker 1: thrown in and right, well, sir, and a few others.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't remember. I can't remember. Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you get the little old lady from Pasadena?
Speaker 1: So I going to Pasadena? You know last time I
Speaker 1: saw your You remember, um? One of chance buddies, Jam
Speaker 1: by this time is in Actually he was premed at
Speaker 1: u C. I. Now he's actually in med school or
Speaker 1: just about being med school. So one of our old
Speaker 1: high school buddies that also was going through med school
Speaker 1: with Jan. They were in some class together. Obviously they
Speaker 1: weren't listening because they had Our friend Don had told
Speaker 1: us that he had seen on television a commercial for
Speaker 1: the Southern California Dodge dealership where there is a character
Speaker 1: a little old lady sitting behind the wheel of a
Speaker 1: superstock Dodge, because Dodge was trying to appeal to you know,
Speaker 1: hot rods and two younger people and rebranding themselves at
Speaker 1: least muscle cars. So it was a pretty clever commercial.
Speaker 1: So this little old person is is driving this car
Speaker 1: and there, I mean we all used to in those days,
Speaker 1: every young person at a car any time, every time
Speaker 1: you'd stop for a signal there would be a race. Yeah,
Speaker 1: almost always. There's always some car around that that you
Speaker 1: know that that these guys and they're just there. Always
Speaker 1: was a race. So she does a little street race
Speaker 1: was some some other car, don't remember what the car was,
Speaker 1: and of course she blows him off and then comes
Speaker 1: to a screeching halt, and the camera comes around by
Speaker 1: the side and and she turns right to the camera,
Speaker 1: the smoke still coming up from from her skidding to
Speaker 1: a stop, and she says, put a dodge in your girl, Juney. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a really clever We like that. We were
Speaker 1: also starting to mix in a little humor and our stuff,
Speaker 1: so this was this was perfect. So the juxtaposition of
Speaker 1: the old person, you know, in a street rod was
Speaker 1: interesting to us. So we thought Jim and Don thought
Speaker 1: this would be a great thing. So they started started
Speaker 1: writing it coming up, and we also thought somewhere in
Speaker 1: there that once we finished, I mean, we've had at
Speaker 1: this point maybe four or five Top ten reactors in
Speaker 1: a row. That you go to dodge. You say, by
Speaker 1: the way, you have the character, you can throw in
Speaker 1: a tailor made song and this will be a top
Speaker 1: ten song easily. So anyway, we finished it, knew it
Speaker 1: was a hit, Um sent it off to Dodge. They
Speaker 1: never even answered us. I think we tried to reach
Speaker 1: him a couple of times before it came out and
Speaker 1: never responded. So we put it out and that also
Speaker 1: was a top ten record. How did you end up
Speaker 1: being the host of the Tabby Show? By default? I
Speaker 1: think we're the only local guys. We were the closest.
Speaker 1: We were the closest guys group that to the Santa
Speaker 1: Monicacific auditor. I was about ten minutes away. Jan was
Speaker 1: probably eighteen minutes a way to twenty minutes away. Everybody
Speaker 1: else was, even the Beach Boys. They don't have to
Speaker 1: drive up from Hawthorne. So um. We also were in
Speaker 1: school so they could work with us on the show.
Speaker 1: Where the other guys are out out working, we could
Speaker 1: meet them after school or yeah, cut to school. So
Speaker 1: we we were just were in the right place at
Speaker 1: the right time. Um, so it just made sense. I
Speaker 1: think we talked the Peach Boys into doing it. They
Speaker 1: also wanted the Beach Boys, and we were the only
Speaker 1: ones that Beach Boys will listen to it at the time.
Speaker 1: So that film has become legendary legendary, legendary. What was
Speaker 1: the experience of actually being there? Well, at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't know it was legendary, and we
Speaker 1: knew most of them, not most of the people. We
Speaker 1: knew at least half the people worked with, so including
Speaker 1: James Brown. We knew what James did, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: so you know, we were alown away. Uh. We had
Speaker 1: a joining dressing rooms with the Stones, and of course
Speaker 1: they didn't talk to anybody, so I think we nodded
Speaker 1: to one another. Since we were the hosts, we didn't
Speaker 1: have time to hang around. Most of those other people
Speaker 1: just probably hung around and then eventually all talked to
Speaker 1: one another, kissing, because we did it in two nights,
Speaker 1: just in case we screwed up something. Um. So we
Speaker 1: we were you know, we had lines to do. Plus
Speaker 1: we were I think we were changing costumes for each
Speaker 1: each person that we introduced, we wore something different, So
Speaker 1: we're kind of busy. Didn't really have time to hang
Speaker 1: with these people too much. Um So, just being busy,
Speaker 1: I didn't really have time to absorb it. Um. But
Speaker 1: once we saw it, we knew it was We knew
Speaker 1: it was special. I love the titles. I think the
Speaker 1: titles are so classic. Um and then when Dick Clark
Speaker 1: dug it out of the vaults and bought it from
Speaker 1: dusted it off, um M. He always knew that was
Speaker 1: a very classic piece of film. And then it deserved
Speaker 1: to now be redigitized, and it needed to be properly marketed,
Speaker 1: and and it had to be seen, which it ultimately
Speaker 1: has been. So meanwhile, you're the two of you are
Speaker 1: going to school. How much you're working live weekends summer
Speaker 1: so we do spring break and summers. Were you making
Speaker 1: any money? Yeah? And what do you do with the
Speaker 1: money to save it? To spend it? Bought stock? Really,
Speaker 1: we did a Coca Cola commercial and they would either
Speaker 1: pay us cash or in stock. And Jan took cash
Speaker 1: he was buying a house. I took stock and it doubled.
Speaker 1: It doubled and split and doubled and split, so it
Speaker 1: dip pretty well. Now we were pretty pretty good with
Speaker 1: our money. So let's just assume without you had ultimately
Speaker 1: had a second career. But if you just had your
Speaker 1: music career, did it generate enough money to live for
Speaker 1: the rest of your life? No? Not not like today,
Speaker 1: Not like today. Okay, so you're in school. You're going
Speaker 1: to City College and then you transfer to usc IS
Speaker 1: and you say, you're in the architecture school. Did you
Speaker 1: want to become an architect? I thought I did, But
Speaker 1: once I got there and they kept telling me I
Speaker 1: wasn't cut out for that, I finally believed him. Um.
Speaker 1: So they did have fine arts too as well, and
Speaker 1: advertising arts, so I went into more advertising art. I
Speaker 1: think my degree was advertising design or something like that,
Speaker 1: which would include marketing and branding and all of those things.
Speaker 1: And that's all stuff I was kind of doing for us,
Speaker 1: So it made sense when all of a sudden, I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes a lot more sense because I could be
Speaker 1: creating our own packaging because I knew that was going
Speaker 1: to be important. Knew the visuals were going to be important.
Speaker 1: The Beatles, when when they hit everything changed, I mean
Speaker 1: it became serious and we could see how how much
Speaker 1: attention to detail that that that they were spending the
Speaker 1: time really thinking every little piece of their career. And
Speaker 1: we said, we, you know, to keep up, we have
Speaker 1: to do that, and most acts are going to have
Speaker 1: to do that. You're gonna have to think of the
Speaker 1: big picture, all of it, and not just focus on
Speaker 1: I gotta have that hit song, you know, you have
Speaker 1: to have that, but you got to have all the
Speaker 1: other pieces in place too, and branding. Branding was a
Speaker 1: huge thing, and I don't ever remember the word being
Speaker 1: used in the sixties. Nobody really got it. I saw
Speaker 1: Peter Paul and Mary album once and then I saw
Speaker 1: how there it was stylized print for Peter, Paul and Mary,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking then that type never changed, and
Speaker 1: I thought that is really cool too, to think of
Speaker 1: it as a product and to tie the visuals into
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Is remember that was kind of kind
Speaker 1: of hippie hippie folk type, and the pretty much when
Speaker 1: you saw it, you thought Peter, Paul, Mary, and then
Speaker 1: they could just use the P, P and M because
Speaker 1: it was so recognizable. I thought, you know, that's really
Speaker 1: really neat how all that ties in, and of course
Speaker 1: the written word ties in. I had Tom Hanks once
Speaker 1: tell me how much love to read our liner notes
Speaker 1: because there was so much in there. And he got
Speaker 1: the whole, you know, the whole big picture, and appreciated
Speaker 1: that kind of humor thing that that strung through it all.
Speaker 1: I certainly got that too. So let's get to the accident. Now,
Speaker 1: when the accident happens, it seems that your careers cooled
Speaker 1: off a little bit. Would you say that it's true? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was somewhat by design because we knew we
Speaker 1: had a television series that we were going to be doing.
Speaker 1: It was bought by ABC. We were going to be
Speaker 1: on debut the same season that the Monkeys debut, and
Speaker 1: screen gems and all that. They were all intertwined with
Speaker 1: them and us, and we would have probably been on
Speaker 1: each other's shows and helped cross promote things, um in
Speaker 1: separate channels. I think they were in NBC. I remember
Speaker 1: we were in ABC. So we knew that being on
Speaker 1: TV once a week, I'm gonna yes. So we knew
Speaker 1: that that exposure was just going to be way above
Speaker 1: anything we'd ever done. We were looking at Ricky Nelson
Speaker 1: ocousely dude sing that damn song and that and each
Speaker 1: one of his little shows and it was a gold record,
Speaker 1: So we weren't really worried about that end of it.
Speaker 1: We also understood that we needed to keep our a
Speaker 1: material from We weren't going to resign with Liberty. We're
Speaker 1: going to have our own label or not have our
Speaker 1: own label and justorated by some warners or even done
Speaker 1: you'll want to do to do um distribution deal. Wey
Speaker 1: not have our I mean, we're getting all this exposure.
Speaker 1: We don't need a label to do the exposure. We're
Speaker 1: going to be doing it on TV. And louis still
Speaker 1: managing you with this and uh hal Blane had a
Speaker 1: part that he would play recurring part in the show.
Speaker 1: It was it was neat. It's like a little road show.
Speaker 1: But we would get lost and and all sorts of
Speaker 1: other things outside of the music of somehow getting to
Speaker 1: that concert. There were storylines, you know, so and then later,
Speaker 1: you know, years later, looked back and a lot of
Speaker 1: little side things that we were going to do became
Speaker 1: like we were gonna do a little parody of Rout
Speaker 1: sixty only ours is gonna be Routed sixty nine. But
Speaker 1: we had corvettes, we had sting rights, and we often
Speaker 1: drove them to two concert dates if there was within
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty miles. We thought it was fun. But
Speaker 1: all those little side adventures of getting arrested, a couple
Speaker 1: of homes, getting lost, and all those things. We would
Speaker 1: make make a show out of it. But we'd kind
Speaker 1: of parody some of these other television shows two at
Speaker 1: the time, long story short. When I look back many
Speaker 1: years later and looked at some of the rough ideas
Speaker 1: of where it was going to go, it was almost
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live. Kinds of skidding that we would do.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so we do the pilot. The pilot seals
Speaker 1: we don't want to give any of our A list
Speaker 1: songs to Liberty. You were kind of winding it down. Um,
Speaker 1: we didn't want to leave them with anything, and made
Speaker 1: sure that once we left, the cupboard was bare and
Speaker 1: we weren't prolific m hm master makers because we would
Speaker 1: cut just what we needed and that was it. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be all a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: floating around. We didn't want them to have any stuff
Speaker 1: to compete, and so it was more or less thought
Speaker 1: out that, at least record wise, So we cut back
Speaker 1: because it didn't matter. We knew what was the future
Speaker 1: was going to be. But unfortunately Jan had that automobile
Speaker 1: accident and all went away. So how did you find
Speaker 1: out he had the accident? Uh? Just school met n
Speaker 1: SC came up to me. You know, I was just
Speaker 1: walking across the campus and somebody came up to me,
Speaker 1: an old friend and said, hey, I heard on the news.
Speaker 1: Uh that just he just got into school, so he
Speaker 1: had the car radio and I've been there for a
Speaker 1: couple of hours, so I just heard it. Jan had
Speaker 1: a bad automobile accident and Beverly Hills. Is he okay?
Speaker 1: I know had this first, I've heard of it, and
Speaker 1: how to go to the pay phone, you know, there
Speaker 1: were no phones, and I'm called lose office and I
Speaker 1: found out that it was. It was pretty serious at
Speaker 1: that point, so nobody knew how whether or not he
Speaker 1: would ever recover or not. He was in a coma
Speaker 1: he had, Yeah, he did have permanent brain damage. So
Speaker 1: he had permanent brain damage. Uh do you immediately realize
Speaker 1: that this is over? Yeah? Yeah, it was pretty pretty obvious. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know I triggered. There was a reason I
Speaker 1: was going to school, But there's a reason he was
Speaker 1: going to school. Is that we knew that this rock
Speaker 1: a room never gonna last forever, at least for us
Speaker 1: or for about anybody. You know. It does have a
Speaker 1: shelf like too, So this is I guess this is
Speaker 1: what I planned for and I just graduated. Any when
Speaker 1: I was in in into my master's program. I don't
Speaker 1: know why as a graduate student, and it didn't really
Speaker 1: need to go, but I went just in case. I thought,
Speaker 1: I've maybe going to law school because a USC had
Speaker 1: a good law school. I thought, if we really do
Speaker 1: make this show work, I should probably know a little
Speaker 1: bit about about the law. I guess why not? And
Speaker 1: I figured if Chan was still in mid school, I
Speaker 1: didn't know how this was all going to work. But
Speaker 1: just you know, I thought maybe we could do both.
Speaker 1: But I was pretty sure it couldn't. But I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: just go back to chapter. You must you know you're
Speaker 1: a hit act on USC campus. She must have been
Speaker 1: a big star. You would think you would have thunk. Um.
Speaker 1: I think I've been there so long and I was
Speaker 1: just one of the guys. Because it didn't really feel
Speaker 1: like it. It wouldn't pay much attention to me. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I think had we done the television show
Speaker 1: have been much different. Um. When I first got to USC,
Speaker 1: most of the most college kids didn't particularly like rock
Speaker 1: and roll. Really, they liked folk music. You see relevant music, uh, jazz,
Speaker 1: anything about that rock and roll is for fourteen year olds.
Speaker 1: And I actually literally had friends with Tony. Are you
Speaker 1: still making that music for the fourteen fifty year old girls? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well off campus? Were there perks of having this success? Um?
Speaker 1: A little bit? Yeah, what do you mean, Well, first,
Speaker 1: let's be obvious chick wise, right, Um, yeah, kind of,
Speaker 1: but it was still, uh, you know, when you're actually
Speaker 1: on the road. It was a lot easier being away
Speaker 1: from home obviously, so I had to be careful around home.
Speaker 1: So um, we we were pretty careful. We didn't get
Speaker 1: any troll in town. Are you invited to things forget? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we don't don't have time. Literally, don't have time
Speaker 1: either you're in school or you're recording, and that that's
Speaker 1: about all the time I had. Luckily, we didn't have time,
Speaker 1: So I imagine we could have gotten a lot more
Speaker 1: trouble had had we, you know, had some free time.
Speaker 1: Drugs are not an issue. Jan what he was in
Speaker 1: med school. You know, they had their uppers and stuff
Speaker 1: that for studying. So other than that, yeah, we again,
Speaker 1: it really didn't have time for drugs either. So ultimately,
Speaker 1: after the accident, you had a second career being a
Speaker 1: graphic designer. How long after the accident do you start
Speaker 1: to build that business? Well, I had relatively started it
Speaker 1: before the accident, maybe a good year before the accident.
Speaker 1: I was already starting to playing out, you know, our
Speaker 1: or some of our marketing stuff that we would want
Speaker 1: to do. A lot had to do with the television show.
Speaker 1: I knew clothing was going to be important. So I
Speaker 1: had learned silk screening at USC so I knew how
Speaker 1: to make the screens and how to do multiple colors
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. And I knew that
Speaker 1: I had a feeling that this whole beach attire was
Speaker 1: going to be important. This is way before you know
Speaker 1: o P or any of the any of the surf
Speaker 1: brands came along. I kind of knew that that that
Speaker 1: was going to be important, and that that stuff we
Speaker 1: could wear on television show. We used to do the
Speaker 1: Little Lloyd Saxton Show right here, right just down the street,
Speaker 1: as I remember, um, and we wear just I had
Speaker 1: I made up part. We sponsored a adult flag football
Speaker 1: team and Jan played on it occasionally. I played on
Speaker 1: it all the time because I owned it so pretty well,
Speaker 1: I could pretty well right myself whatever whatever I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. You see that I paid for the jerseys
Speaker 1: and the pants and all the entry fees and all
Speaker 1: of that, so I I would wear every once in
Speaker 1: a while the Jan and Deane's bell Are bandits foot
Speaker 1: cultures and an amount of mail that we would get
Speaker 1: after that. We're gonna get that, you know. So I
Speaker 1: went to sc and I and I got out the
Speaker 1: screening and the stuff and and copied pretty much all
Speaker 1: the these did have stripes and piping and stuff. But
Speaker 1: in one color, I created the actual football jersey. We
Speaker 1: sold thousands and thousands of those shirts. And I'm going
Speaker 1: if that comes off of Lloyd Taxton show, think about
Speaker 1: a national show that has twenty to thirty million people
Speaker 1: seeing it once a week and you wear a shirt
Speaker 1: like that, or you the skateboards. We had a sidebox
Speaker 1: surfing skateboards that we were going to work a deal
Speaker 1: with Makaha or one of those big board manufacturers at
Speaker 1: the time, and so all the ska pouring, all the
Speaker 1: surfing stuff, all the beat stuff. When we had little
Speaker 1: medallions or surfer medallions made. He was going to be
Speaker 1: a slam could have been just amazing. So when Jane
Speaker 1: crashed and still had all those ideas. So since all
Speaker 1: of my friends were in the music industry. My good
Speaker 1: friends of Beach Boys. I went to them and said,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. Now, I could be doing
Speaker 1: that for you. I could be your art director. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to deal with the art department. Um.
Speaker 1: I was learning how to get around our art department
Speaker 1: in the Jam and Deine days. I said, it can
Speaker 1: be done. The artists can demand certain things about their
Speaker 1: their own packaging and on merchandising and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. So each artist that I would pick, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I will be your advocate and I will
Speaker 1: be the one that speaks for you out go in
Speaker 1: and talk to the record company and or to the
Speaker 1: art department and just demand that this is what the
Speaker 1: artist wants, okay, And that becomes a successful business and
Speaker 1: you end up doing the logo for Chicago. And then
Speaker 1: of course in there's a TV movie. To what degree
Speaker 1: did you see that coming? Um, well there was a
Speaker 1: after all these years, so this was after chance accident.
Speaker 1: So by the seventies, you know, we've been out of
Speaker 1: the business for good ten twelve years. A buddy of
Speaker 1: mine that did go to law school, uh at at
Speaker 1: usc wrote wrote in a Janine p because he was
Speaker 1: fascinated about it all. I don't know why, but he'd
Speaker 1: written this, Hothy. He liked to write. That was his
Speaker 1: way of unwinding from being a lawyer. And I helped
Speaker 1: him because you know, he couldn't get information from Jan
Speaker 1: and we were buddies, so all he would he would
Speaker 1: talk to me for hours and write it all down
Speaker 1: and record parts of it. And he wrote it. He
Speaker 1: was a decent writer. Um. He had a couple of
Speaker 1: connections and a couple of magazines and by the time
Speaker 1: he finished writing it, uh, and was about to submit it,
Speaker 1: those those contacts went away. Then he sent it to
Speaker 1: others and people turned it down, saying nobody can remember
Speaker 1: who Chandine were. Um, so it's you know, it's a
Speaker 1: nice piece, but they name recognition is not there. So
Speaker 1: they went around around. He even sent it to Playboy
Speaker 1: and Playboy turned him down. So he was pretty much
Speaker 1: had been turned down. Uh. And then I suggested, what
Speaker 1: about Rolling Stone. I mean, they will understand that the
Speaker 1: brand and understand the story. And it's still an interesting
Speaker 1: story about Jan's you know, recovery and stuff, because he
Speaker 1: was starting to at least function, and it's an interesting story,
Speaker 1: you know. So we submitted it to Rolling Stone and
Speaker 1: they loved it. Again. This is fourteen years after your
Speaker 1: last hit, and they we're going to put us on
Speaker 1: the cover of Rolling Stone. Any Leibowitz came and took
Speaker 1: my picture at my graphics are office, which is was
Speaker 1: a sunset and Ogden and she hung around the office
Speaker 1: and took pictures of me at the office and stuff,
Speaker 1: and then we went down to the beach. She took
Speaker 1: shots of both Janet and my song. This is a
Speaker 1: big time. I'm gonna be on a cover of Rolling
Speaker 1: Stone after all these years and about a five six
Speaker 1: page article as I remember, and it's just about to
Speaker 1: come out, and Nixon Quits bumped us off the cover,
Speaker 1: but we still got, you know, our six pages inside,
Speaker 1: which was really pretty neat. It's been nice to be
Speaker 1: in the cover though, um. And from that we got
Speaker 1: all sorts of calls from m I think I think
Speaker 1: it was actually theatrical calls in the beginning for actually
Speaker 1: really nice, big high budgeted films. And then it all
Speaker 1: that stuff just went away, and it came down to
Speaker 1: television and we finally did make a deal of CBS
Speaker 1: and it came out on CBS Prime Time a couple
Speaker 1: of years after the article was written, and from there
Speaker 1: and all held broke loose because I put my love
Speaker 1: at the beach boys and Bruce. We all went to
Speaker 1: school together, Bruce's and neighbor Jan's Johnstone. I invited all
Speaker 1: the guys, but only Mike and Bruce decided that that
Speaker 1: they wanted to do it, so they did. And then
Speaker 1: they work a lot. So right after that airing their
Speaker 1: out touring as usual, and Mike calls me from the
Speaker 1: road maybe a couple of three or four days after
Speaker 1: that first airing on on the CBS and says, you
Speaker 1: know they do. They do a lot of interviews, a
Speaker 1: lot of radio and stuff. And he said, we are
Speaker 1: you know, we once a while get questions about Janadeine
Speaker 1: and our relationship. He said, ever since that the thing
Speaker 1: was shown a week ago, it's of what people are
Speaker 1: asking about is the relationship with Janadeine. Whether or not
Speaker 1: Janadeine will ever be able to perform again. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: He says, you need to do it. I'm sitting in
Speaker 1: my little graphics office, nice and very comfortable, you know,
Speaker 1: and going like it's taking me ten and twelve years
Speaker 1: to build it up to this, and if I love,
Speaker 1: I didn't ever leave. I mean, if I was gone
Speaker 1: for two or three days, my clients would get piste off.
Speaker 1: So I wanted they were. They expected me to be
Speaker 1: right there and pick up the phone, so I knew
Speaker 1: if I strayed from that. There's plenty of other graphic
Speaker 1: designers now they're all competing. I was very careful and
Speaker 1: I thought, well, it sounds interesting, Mike, but yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: think about it. And then two or three weeks later,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, it's not going away. And then
Speaker 1: about nine months later they showed it again and the
Speaker 1: numbers were even bigger than they were the first time. Um,
Speaker 1: so Mike was all over me. Mike said, look, we're
Speaker 1: going out on a tour with our own plane. There's
Speaker 1: a seat for you, and Jan's cool. I've never been
Speaker 1: in a private jet before. I thought that sounded pretty interesting,
Speaker 1: so I said yes, and I got Jan up and
Speaker 1: around and he was well enough to be able to
Speaker 1: sing at least three or four songs, and that's what
Speaker 1: we decided to do. We went out on tour with them,
Speaker 1: and I've been doing it ever since. So I saw
Speaker 1: you at the star Woods. I don't know if that
Speaker 1: was certain early. Okay, so you're working with jan and
Speaker 1: are you is what kind of shape is he in? Um? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we certainly had some uh. I mean he had about
Speaker 1: of physical limitations. I think most people that saw him
Speaker 1: thought he'd had a had a stroke because his right
Speaker 1: side was very slow. His arm was it was very
Speaker 1: difficult for him to get his arm up very far. Um.
Speaker 1: Left side was okay. Um. He had a phasia, which
Speaker 1: is a speech problem. Um, so sometimes you get confused
Speaker 1: about words and things. But he also still part of
Speaker 1: his brain was still operating a hundred and seventy or eighty,
Speaker 1: and part of his brain was at sixty. So he's
Speaker 1: kind of savant in some regards. He could actually write music.
Speaker 1: And but if he if if he was writing the
Speaker 1: music and let's say it was sir City or something,
Speaker 1: and he's writing out apart for a some instrument, and
Speaker 1: then he'd have to put the title. He'd asked me
Speaker 1: how to spell surf serve city. But then he'd go
Speaker 1: buttets in a flat and a flat he'd write at
Speaker 1: all came from different part of the brains, Like somebody stutters.
Speaker 1: You know that if they sing, they don't stutter. This
Speaker 1: was kind of the same way. So in some regards
Speaker 1: he was he still was a genius, and the other parts,
Speaker 1: you know, didn't work at all. So it was difficult.
Speaker 1: And the shows, what was it like being on stage
Speaker 1: with him? Um? In the beginning, it was the first
Speaker 1: maybe four or five years, it was it was okay,
Speaker 1: it was fun. Um, but as his body, you know,
Speaker 1: we're all getting older as but his body was deteriorating
Speaker 1: faster than the rest of us, so that it became
Speaker 1: physically a lot harder and a lot more frustrating for
Speaker 1: him to get from point A to point B. I
Speaker 1: saw the I saw the Glenn Campbell documentary documentary that
Speaker 1: reminded me a lot of Jam, especially towards the end
Speaker 1: when he was couldn't remember stuff. Um and Glenn went
Speaker 1: through that for what a couple of months, but during
Speaker 1: the film, I mean they did that one tour. I
Speaker 1: did that for over twenty years. I'm gonna think, holy cow,
Speaker 1: how the hell did I do that? Because the last
Speaker 1: maybe good seven years was really really hard. I didn't
Speaker 1: know how to how to undo it. If I pulled
Speaker 1: the plug on it. The fans were going to some
Speaker 1: of the fans would be angry that I would do
Speaker 1: that to him. Um, he wouldn't. He wouldn't be happy
Speaker 1: with it, even though even though it was so physically
Speaker 1: hard for him to do, Soli had so I couldn't
Speaker 1: pull the plug on it. I just I didn't know
Speaker 1: how it was going to end. Um And then he
Speaker 1: just he just finally just wore out and passed away.
Speaker 1: Did you see that coming? Mm hmmm. In some regards,
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to outlive all of us,
Speaker 1: kind of Keith Richards, you know, exactly like Keith Richards.
Speaker 1: And but physically at least Keith can stand. And Jan
Speaker 1: was at the point where he was having to sit
Speaker 1: for almost the whole show. And I told him once once,
Speaker 1: it is at the point where you can't stand. It's
Speaker 1: not fair. It's not fair to the audience and all that. So,
Speaker 1: and we're going to damage the brand. And I was
Speaker 1: worried about damaging the brand. And there's nothing I could
Speaker 1: do about it. So it did damage the brand. We
Speaker 1: probably should have pulled the plug maybe five years sooner.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it at the time. How many gigs
Speaker 1: were you doing a year? Still doing thirty to forty
Speaker 1: to fifty at our peak. We were doing nineties throughout
Speaker 1: most of the eighties, and he regrets giving up the
Speaker 1: graphic design business. No, not really, because that changed too.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't see c ds coming. I just
Speaker 1: never thought of that so soon thereafter, I think within
Speaker 1: two to three years, because my last my last design
Speaker 1: was Steve Martin album cover, so that was her late
Speaker 1: seventies early eighties, and by the mid eighties it was
Speaker 1: all c ds, so there was no no magic and packaging.
Speaker 1: It was just a little seven by seven square in
Speaker 1: instead of twelve makes a big difference. Twelve it's a
Speaker 1: whole foot and if you opened up a gatefold, you
Speaker 1: have two ft by one ft. Now you're down to
Speaker 1: this little teeny package. So I probably I got lucky.
Speaker 1: I really got lucky. And I still do a lot
Speaker 1: of graphic design now anyway, and it's saw a photoshop
Speaker 1: and so much easier um graphic using digital tools. It's
Speaker 1: kind of fun and I can redo all of my
Speaker 1: own stuff. And I did my whole website myself on
Speaker 1: every single page, and it was really fun to do.
Speaker 1: When I thought about how tedious all that stuff was
Speaker 1: in the seventies, to do stuff that I can do
Speaker 1: in minutes now that used to take me days to do.
Speaker 1: So I still dabbling and still enjoy it. And okay,
Speaker 1: you still go out too as a touring act and
Speaker 1: for the audience you call that now. I usually give
Speaker 1: the buyer a couple of different ways, what ever makes
Speaker 1: them comfortable. But the basic one is the Janitine Beach
Speaker 1: Party featuring Dean Torrents, because I don't want to mislead
Speaker 1: people with J Deine, but Jandine's got to be in
Speaker 1: the title, so it's kind of a tribute to ourselves.
Speaker 1: How many, how much? How many times you do a year? Now?
Speaker 1: Probably do thirty to forty And how long do you
Speaker 1: foresee doing this? I have no idea. Okay, so you'll
Speaker 1: do it until you dropped it. You can't do it probably,
Speaker 1: So I only accept stuff that that intrigues me. You know.
Speaker 1: I do a lot of corporate party stuff, which is
Speaker 1: kind of fun. But if it's a place I haven't
Speaker 1: been or haven't been for a while, I'm so used to.
Speaker 1: I don't go on vacation myself because it bothers me to. Actually,
Speaker 1: I have to pay for the PI and the rooms.
Speaker 1: I'm so used to somebody else paying for it makes
Speaker 1: me nervous to go on vacation. I go, that's just
Speaker 1: another two in that room. We're usually buyered? Is that? So?
Speaker 1: If if there's something interesting in someplace I've never been,
Speaker 1: I really really enjoy it. Okay, this late date and
Speaker 1: he regrets, I can't think of any So if you
Speaker 1: had to do it all over again, you would have
Speaker 1: made the same choices. I think I would. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I would. I had lunch with Lou Adler maybe
Speaker 1: a year ago, and he's he's not even really tired. Actually,
Speaker 1: you know, he's still does so many stuff and a
Speaker 1: lot of good things. Heah, he sponsors kids camps and
Speaker 1: all that he's done, fabric this job with giving back
Speaker 1: to the community and all that stuff. But he's still
Speaker 1: a super creative guy. But you know, I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, if it weren't for you, I
Speaker 1: don't think Jan and Dean would have ever had a
Speaker 1: career because he really had total vision of the big picture.
Speaker 1: And he taught me that. But in the beginning, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't see it, and he did. Um. He looked
Speaker 1: at me and he goes, you know, if it weren't
Speaker 1: for you, guys, maybe I would have never had I said,
Speaker 1: all right, right, interest right without that success Um, whatever
Speaker 1: happened Arnie Ginsburg, Arnie Arnie. He went to USC he
Speaker 1: was in the School of Architecture. UM also became industrial
Speaker 1: to designer and stuff. He was very talented. He didn't care.
Speaker 1: He really didn't had no no love at all for
Speaker 1: for the MHM industry. He didn't like any of that.
Speaker 1: He was really uncomfortable on stage. He just we hardly ever.
Speaker 1: We talked about it briefly and never never talked about
Speaker 1: it again. I would see him almost every day at
Speaker 1: school and see Jane at night and on weekends. And
Speaker 1: Arne had no regrets, and he was very successful. It
Speaker 1: was very talented, talented, good guy. And you ever get
Speaker 1: any royalty checks? I got one yesterday from Universal Pictures
Speaker 1: or something like that, and said, I made forty three bucks.
Speaker 1: That's better. You know. I know people get him in
Speaker 1: the sense, but well I have I keep all those
Speaker 1: those cracked me up but down. So I was looking
Speaker 1: for the check, and then you have to read a
Speaker 1: few more pages. And then in this color, this bright
Speaker 1: pink highlighted, it says we do not write checks for
Speaker 1: under fifty bucks back the way till I'll make seven
Speaker 1: more dollars. And I got one from Kate ll Um
Speaker 1: that wasn't and it was this thing which I'm showing
Speaker 1: folks podcasts that psychobout an inch thick, you think, and
Speaker 1: from all over the world, and it was like thirty
Speaker 1: eight dollars, I think. So I gave it to my
Speaker 1: daughter's dog, who loves paper, and I have a picture
Speaker 1: of him just chewing this thing. It's all in shreds
Speaker 1: and he's looking at the camera in his paper in
Speaker 1: his mouth and you can read part of it. Made
Speaker 1: sure it's his royalty state. And I said, obviously he
Speaker 1: wasn't happy with the with the check. There, Um, there
Speaker 1: is a there are a few people that are good.
Speaker 1: Sound exchange is really good. They've done a really, really
Speaker 1: good job. They called me up a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago and I wanted to know they hadn't been able
Speaker 1: to give Jan his money. And there was a check
Speaker 1: like fifty or sixty grand that they had for him
Speaker 1: that was a couple of years worth of stuff. But
Speaker 1: I know where where do we send it? So I
Speaker 1: called Jan's widow on the East coast, found her and
Speaker 1: said there's a nice check waiting for you or should
Speaker 1: I send it? And she was thrilled, absolutely thrilled. So
Speaker 1: there are some people that trit you still pretty well.
Speaker 1: And do you find it's only people from our generation,
Speaker 1: you know, Jan and Dean. Where do the younger people
Speaker 1: know the name or the songs? Are both? You just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a whole gamut. It's We flew to um Italy
Speaker 1: last August, and for three months I was wondering why
Speaker 1: in the world I agreed to do that. And although
Speaker 1: it intrigued me to go to Europe, I just never
Speaker 1: played Europe before and didn't think, you know, like you're
Speaker 1: just saying, I mean, I don't remember getting I get
Speaker 1: a lot of mail from uk Um. We played in
Speaker 1: China of all places in the eighties, and I get
Speaker 1: still get mail from China, but I never got anything
Speaker 1: from Italy. And I'm going so we're gonna fly twenty
Speaker 1: five hours over four hour drive from Rome to Sngalia.
Speaker 1: Then this beach party. But it was a music festival,
Speaker 1: thinking well, it's free, okay, so people will wander by
Speaker 1: the kind of go oh yeah, you know it might
Speaker 1: of the band's good, you know, so the music will
Speaker 1: be will be presented very nicely, but at least as
Speaker 1: a festival, and there's synergy going on. There's multiple stages,
Speaker 1: and it's been going on for ten or fifteen years,
Speaker 1: and it was a big tourist thing from people in
Speaker 1: at least in Italy. The guy had a good track
Speaker 1: record and his stuff looked professionals. Okay, remember getting on
Speaker 1: that flight going oh my god, Okay, well I gotta
Speaker 1: do it. I just gotta do it, just hope it'll work.
Speaker 1: Got there, It wasn't a flight, wasn't that bad. Then
Speaker 1: picked us up. It's dark and getting a van, all
Speaker 1: the guys and this guy's speaking Italian. You know, he
Speaker 1: doesn't speak any English, so we don't know what they
Speaker 1: all you said, but you must be taking us to
Speaker 1: the hotel. We tried for four hours and a couple
Speaker 1: of times he turns around in the dark and they
Speaker 1: went on these little streets and I'm going like, now,
Speaker 1: my band members are all, you know, on their phone,
Speaker 1: and look, they know where we're going, and they keep
Speaker 1: telling they keep telling you guy, hey, hey, you know
Speaker 1: it's back. You missed there, and he doesn't speak Oh
Speaker 1: my god, and I'm going I knew I should have
Speaker 1: done this. I just knew. I'm calling the wife. I'm
Speaker 1: telling her in Huntington Beach. I'm saying, we're driving around
Speaker 1: in Italy. It's dark. This guy doesn't speak any English,
Speaker 1: and he keeps backing up and making you turns, and
Speaker 1: he goes, why did I do this? I knew I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done this. We finally get to a hotel.
Speaker 1: It wasn't nice, and then that was okay, and the
Speaker 1: air con worked. Okay, that's fine. And then next day
Speaker 1: we had off and they took us through this festival
Speaker 1: been going on for a couple of days. It was
Speaker 1: done so well us when I got this shirt from
Speaker 1: this is uh cracking cracking room. We played on their
Speaker 1: stage and stage was done nice, holographic design. Stuff was great,
Speaker 1: and it was very organized and there were people all
Speaker 1: sorts of ages dancing to the music. Oh this this
Speaker 1: is great. So I said, okay, can we see our stage?
Speaker 1: And the guy was just producing the whole thing, said, well,
Speaker 1: your stages is down at the beach. This was in
Speaker 1: the middle of town, you know, I mean it's separated
Speaker 1: from all this. Yeah, it's it's about quarter mile down,
Speaker 1: but it's actually on the sand, and we put up
Speaker 1: a nice big stage and just you guys were Now
Speaker 1: we're not in the you know, and again in that
Speaker 1: synergy going on, I'm going, I guess anybody gonna walk
Speaker 1: down there? And I like that, Damn, this is going
Speaker 1: to be a staff. So I told him I was.
Speaker 1: And then he said, oh, and years is not a
Speaker 1: free stage. It costs money. It's a hard ticket. I said, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a stiff. So I finally had the nerve
Speaker 1: to tell him I was very uncomfortable with that. I
Speaker 1: didn't think it would work. He said, no, we already
Speaker 1: saw twelve thousand pre st tickets and they'll be He'll
Speaker 1: walk up to and it was like fifteen and sixteen
Speaker 1: thousand people on this and they eat. You know, it's
Speaker 1: six or seven, right, So we didn't even go on
Speaker 1: till nine. And it's a it was a ninety minute show.
Speaker 1: And there was groupies. Now that's why you asked. They
Speaker 1: were actually thirty year olds standing just around where the
Speaker 1: backstage here. He was, you know what, you want to
Speaker 1: take selfies and stuff? And I went, oh my god,
Speaker 1: So yeah, they were the sixty year olds and there
Speaker 1: was the thirty year olds. I don't know how they
Speaker 1: knew music, but they seemed in order, really really well,
Speaker 1: and I just I'm glad I did it. And within
Speaker 1: hours though, you're back at the hotel's after midnight and
Speaker 1: you're checking out and you're doing that four hour drive
Speaker 1: back to Rome to catch a seven am flight to
Speaker 1: Copenhagen and then Companhagen to l A. But just still okay,
Speaker 1: you know, well, that's what being a rock star, you
Speaker 1: see what I mean? Right in? In addition, though, it
Speaker 1: shows that people still remember, still care. I certainly remember
Speaker 1: and care. This has been wonderful, actually the longest podcast
Speaker 1: ever because we're getting your story. You really got in
Speaker 1: the groove. I really have to thank you. Yes, my
Speaker 1: guest here has been deemed Torrence Dean of jan and Deep.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Deep. I'm just happy anybody cares about
Speaker 1: I really care, and I know my audience will care.
Speaker 1: I mean, I won't even recount all the great stories
Speaker 1: you told because people have listened to this point and
Speaker 1: know them. No, I couldn't shut you down. You were
Speaker 1: telling all those great stories which no one ever knew, like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know they were playing in Ormosa Beach with the
Speaker 1: Beach Boys. Story of sir City Lou Adler. I mean,
Speaker 1: I read your book, but there's even stuff here that
Speaker 1: wasn't in your book. I just again, you know, you
Speaker 1: write something you don't know. Is this interesting or not?
Speaker 1: I don't know. You've always been super good to us,
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate it, so, uh, knowing that that
Speaker 1: you have this following, I just that's why I'm here.
Speaker 1: I don't do this. I think this is the first
Speaker 1: podcast I've ever done. I think it's definitive. I think
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of history here. That's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I didn't want to jump ahead. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like someone's got to get it down just one
Speaker 1: step further. What about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
Speaker 1: You care no good? No I could, I could careless. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's all subjective, but it really like
Speaker 1: any other Hall of fame, though, is is numbers metrics.
Speaker 1: It's pretty easy to figure out, and we've had more
Speaker 1: hits than two thirds of those other people that are
Speaker 1: in there. And then they want to talk about if
Speaker 1: they want to talk about being pioneers and something, well
Speaker 1: we just talked about that, right, how many other people
Speaker 1: cut to two or three top ten records in a
Speaker 1: garage way before anybody else was doing it, you know,
Speaker 1: as teenagers. That's the part I'm I'm the most proud of.
Speaker 1: It's young people figured out how to do it and
Speaker 1: did it with just some little, easy, little technology that
Speaker 1: that well, that's what's so great about it that all right,
Speaker 1: the business was being developed, like the Internet twenty odd
Speaker 1: years ago. Just exciting seeing what's going on now it's mature,
Speaker 1: not quite the same thing. But we were all in
Speaker 1: fatuous did with music. We were all playing music, and
Speaker 1: you were certainly a pioneer. And as I say, I
Speaker 1: played command performance all the way through about two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: It sounded so great. And of course I always love
Speaker 1: sidewalk surfing, which is a you know, a reworking of
Speaker 1: Bryant's Catch a Wave, and uh, I knew your version first.
Speaker 1: I was stunned when I heard catch Awave. Well, I was,
Speaker 1: you know, when I go back and hear some stuff,
Speaker 1: just to hear the excitement of the live show, because
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't really have that many people following
Speaker 1: us around and recording stuff, so it was very limited
Speaker 1: in film wise. You know, some of the stuff I
Speaker 1: see on YouTube of the beach Boys working on Good Vibrations,
Speaker 1: and some of that film is really really we didn't
Speaker 1: have any of that. We just didn't think of it.
Speaker 1: You know, that was going to be later. We'll get
Speaker 1: to that later. It's okay, we don't have time to
Speaker 1: think about cameras and playing around and capturing that stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's all in my head, which I think we've
Speaker 1: got a lot of it down on. It's good to
Speaker 1: hear it on something like Command Performance and they go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was right in the middle of that, all that excitement.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you glad you enjoyed it. Absolutely. As
Speaker 1: I say, A huge fan in terms of albums other
Speaker 1: than cartoon characters, Yours was the first album I bought,
Speaker 1: I think, and I still I still have the copy.
Speaker 1: I have basking tape on the corners holding the cover together.
Speaker 1: I'm not no, thanks so much. Hey, it's absolutely my pleasure,
Speaker 1: and again thanks for your support. I listen. I'm a
Speaker 1: huge fan. Believe it at that. Until next time, It's
Speaker 1: the Bob Left Sets podcast.