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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's a thrill to have my guest on the podcast

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Speaker 1: today because he had such a huge impact on my life.

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Speaker 1: I remember being at the beach, which was something you

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Speaker 1: really did in Connecticut, going up to the pavilion and

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Speaker 1: hearing the Little Old Lady from Pasadena. I remember buying

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Speaker 1: the single, or my mother bought the single for me,

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Speaker 1: and then buying one of my favorite albums of all time,

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Speaker 1: Command Performance, Jan and Dean live in concert, and Dean

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Speaker 1: wore these blue sneakers. I made my mother run all

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Speaker 1: over town just so I could have those blue sneakers.

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Speaker 1: My guest today on the podcast is Dean Torrance, and

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Speaker 1: I still have those sneakers, by the way, really probably Okay,

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Speaker 1: now you email me that today is uh Jan's birthday.

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Speaker 1: Yes he would have been he passed as you know,

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Speaker 1: two thousand four, but he would have been seventy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And how did you meet Jan? We met in high

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Speaker 1: school just up the street, well down a couple of

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Speaker 1: miles in West Los Angeles. High school, uh called University

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Speaker 1: high school? You do, And you know I've been with this,

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Speaker 1: wondering this for decades you know why it's called University

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Speaker 1: High School? Yes, I do. Oh really you're gonna yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can finally, you know, you know more about this

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Speaker 1: than I do. Actually UM University High School was called

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Speaker 1: University because it was the closest high school to U C.

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Speaker 1: L A. Oh, okay, other than the name was or

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Speaker 1: any connection you know now, you know as simple as that.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a simple I just always wondered you.

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Speaker 1: I thingured there must be some connection, but I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: So you grew up in what part of l A

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Speaker 1: um East West l a Which meant I was right

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Speaker 1: around Beverly Glen and Olympic A couple more miles east

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Speaker 1: or a mile further east, and I would have had

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Speaker 1: to gone to Beverly Hills High School. But there was

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Speaker 1: a certain line there that you weren't supposed to go

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Speaker 1: over if you weren't living in Beverly Hills, you see.

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Speaker 1: So I wasn't cut out to be a Beverly Hills

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Speaker 1: High school student, I don't think. And what did your

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Speaker 1: father do for a living? Uh? He was in the

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Speaker 1: oil business. He right out of college. He got hired

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Speaker 1: by a little l A based Actually they were from Texas,

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Speaker 1: but they moved all their offices to l A. A

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Speaker 1: little company called Wilshire Oil, which you may remember, what

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Speaker 1: when did you get here? I got in the mid seventies. No,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't remember. Those of us that like antiques. There

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Speaker 1: there was a brand called poly Gas that was part

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Speaker 1: of Wilshire Oil, really, and then they sold all of

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Speaker 1: that stuff off, probably in the fifties, forties or fifties,

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Speaker 1: and then he went to work for the guy who

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Speaker 1: in the time that I've been here, l A has

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Speaker 1: changed so much. Traffic is so bad. I remember living

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Speaker 1: a movie on a whib. You would never do that today.

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Speaker 1: So what was it like growing up in the forties

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Speaker 1: and fifties in l A? Beautiful? It was so simple.

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Speaker 1: The beach was always ten minutes away, ten or fifteen

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Speaker 1: the most um And we just thought, honestly, we thought

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Speaker 1: We didn't quite grasp anything, you know, outside of what

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Speaker 1: I mean, so we didn't really even know it was

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Speaker 1: all that special, particularly okay, and you have brothers or sisters?

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Speaker 1: Had a younger sister, yes, And what did her life

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Speaker 1: turn out to be? Um? Pretty interesting for a while,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately she got Parkinson's past. She passed away like

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Speaker 1: about six years ago. But I ended up with a

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Speaker 1: house that we owned together. It's just up the street

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Speaker 1: here and I just went by there. We were renting

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Speaker 1: it to some guys from France or Okay, do you

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Speaker 1: still hold the house? Yes? And so how did you

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Speaker 1: end up with that house? Um? We bought my sister

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Speaker 1: move out and rent it, then move on to another house. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it's the only one you ended up boating together. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so you're going to university high school. First, you know

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Speaker 1: about relationship songs. All those teenisles were singing all those

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Speaker 1: serf culture, of course, the beach culture. Okay. Now, the

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Speaker 1: first I remember going to the record story. You'd always

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Speaker 1: Deine's greatest hits with a gold cover. Okay, with baby Talk,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. When were those tracks? Hits? Late fifties? Late

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Speaker 1: included Barbaraane by the way, Okay, but who did the

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Speaker 1: original Barbarianne their regions? Okay, did your Barbarianne hit the chart? No,

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Speaker 1: it was just just for an album, just an album fillers. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So you're going to university high how do you meet Jen?

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Speaker 1: We're on the We're on the football team together. Just

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Speaker 1: I didn't think I liked him. Well, he was he

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Speaker 1: This is really fun. And of course do wop was

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Speaker 1: So he was a visionary um. He also his dad

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Speaker 1: So who let me? Years years or later after he retired,

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Speaker 1: he built Janet music room. And what we inspired there, well,

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Speaker 1: was at u c l A by this time, so

427
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: he did have classes the next day, and I was

428
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: at City College in Santa Monica, and so we did

429
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: have classes on Mondays. So hell yeah, Sunday night we

430
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: worked on some songs. I didn't really have very much,

431
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: but um, I mean songs are as you know. I mean,

432
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: if you don't have the material, it doesn't matter what

433
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: what you know, how well you sing or don't sing,

434
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: or or your arrangements or any of that stuff, or

435
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: what label you're on. If you don't have that piece

436
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: of material, you really don't have a career. And since

437
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: we are full time students, didn't really have a lot

438
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: of kid to sit around and and write songs. I

439
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: mean that takes some effort and some time to do.

440
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: So normally we would just try and find songs that

441
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: were on on small indie labels and cover songs. Now,

442
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: Jan had a beautiful scam. I don't know if you

443
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: knew about this one. He had print shop at University

444
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: High School. Mr Fukuzawa, by the way, you remember him,

445
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: of course, Mr Fukuzawa taught Jan very well how to

446
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: print a letter head and a business card and all that.

447
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: So Jan printed himself a letter head with a little logo.

448
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't know where he came up with that, and

449
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: I had a little microphones on it and stuff and

450
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: it the title on the letter half was k JAN

451
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: Radio k J A n the Voice of bel Air.

452
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: So he's a smart guy. So he would get all

453
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: the addresses of all the labels that he could find,

454
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: all the major most of the majors weren't real interested

455
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: in rock and roll particularly, but he would find all

456
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: the names of all the little indie labels. And then

457
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: he would tell him that he was a DJ on

458
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: Cage and Radio and that he would appreciate them sending

459
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: their new releases to him at this one one one one, Linda,

460
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: Flora Drive and bell Air and he has five DJs

461
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: come fall five and I was one of them. And

462
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: so he needed five copies of every of every single

463
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: We will go to his house, you know, on weekdays

464
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: and mailed already come and there would be hundreds of records, hundreds.

465
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: We'd open them up and he had a turntable, of course,

466
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: a couple of turntables, and we'd listen and if there

467
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: weren't any good, that was thrown into no good pile

468
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: and then saved our our favorites. So we got a

469
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: lot of um, a lot of good ideas, and a

470
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: lot of songs that were on such small labels they

471
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: were never gonna make it to the radio. And that's

472
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: how you found It's like dumb Moost more or less.

473
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: Then we take the turkeys that we didn't want and

474
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: we would um. We had this little spot above the

475
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: bell Air Country Club and they had a very nice

476
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: golf course, so we were up above maybe a couple

477
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: hundred yards, and we would take those four fives and

478
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: just frisbee them out and see how far on the

479
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: green we could get them, for a good half an

480
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: hour until we ran out of somewhere. There's a lot

481
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: of buried up there, exact worth probably a lot of money.

482
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: So how do you end up you're going to school.

483
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: He's going to school. What is the next step, Well,

484
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: the next step is, yeah, we we just didn't really

485
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: have any material, particularly that that was very inspiring. We

486
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: knew that we had, you know, he already had a

487
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: top ten record in his portfolio, you know, so we

488
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: had to at least have something as good as that song.

489
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: It was a pretty good song. So we we we tried,

490
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: we tried to come up with something um and then

491
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: he went to the Arwin. Irwin, by the way, was

492
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: owned by Doris Day and it was pretty much attack shelter.

493
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't think she expected to have any hits on

494
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: that level. Now her son became Terry Melt. We gave

495
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: a famous producer, very ironic, So Terry, that's probably so.

496
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: We were nineteen twenty, so he was probably fifteen. So

497
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: Jan wanted to take me into to Beverly Hills to

498
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: meet the Arwin staff and the A and R guy

499
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: and explained that Arnie was no longer in the picture

500
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: and that I was the new guy. So I thought, okay,

501
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, it should be cool and still have a

502
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: record deal. And uh, we showed up for the meeting

503
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: and got introduced to everybody. And uh, almost in front

504
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: of me. I think they said, you know, to Jan,

505
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: get Arnie back, because that was already it was already

506
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: a name, you know, with it was recognizable names. So

507
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, now you're starting all over with somebody else,

508
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: you know. Well, sticking to this one, Jan said, up,

509
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: I can't reach him. He's not interested. We pretty much

510
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: left there with without them saying that that they would

511
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: release anything promise. A few weeks later they bounce us

512
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: off the label. Jan remembered meeting two young guys that

513
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: were for Sam Cook, and he said, matter of fact,

514
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: these guys wrote, um, wrote a hit for Sam called

515
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Wonderful World. It's a it's a ballady. We weren't looking

516
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: for ballads. But at least they're songwriters and that they

517
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: had something to do with, you know, they were kind

518
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: of gophers actually, um, but at least they wrote a

519
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: hit song for Sam. And I guess Jan and Arnie

520
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: had cross paths with Sam Cooke. They were on a

521
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: bill together a couple of times, and these guys would

522
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: always be in the entourage and Jan for some reason

523
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: liked them, respected him and thought they were pretty cool guy.

524
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: They dressed well too, they looked they licked the part

525
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: and we didn't dressed like they did, but they were sharp,

526
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: you know. So Jan said, I'm going to call these guys.

527
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: We need managers, that's what we need. I'm going but

528
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what a manager does. That's how they managed.

529
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: They somehow they manage. So I'm going to call these

530
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: guys and just see if they have any interest in

531
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: working with us. So okay, So he says, I'm gonna

532
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: call let's see. I got their card and it uh

533
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: was Lou Adler. He said, I'm gonna call this guy Lou.

534
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: And then he has the guy who works with Herb,

535
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: Herb Alberton, I think his name was Herb Alberton. He

536
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: calls him up, tells him that he has a new

537
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: new partner. He wants to see if they have any

538
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: interest at all. Of course they were interested coming a

539
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: meeting with us. He gave him the address and directions

540
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: how to get to this beautiful bell Air home with

541
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: a beautiful view and all that. So when they got there,

542
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: they were pretty pressed with him. So they were in

543
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: their shoot unit editors neat suits and their little thin

544
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: ties and had a little type buttons, little pins. I mean,

545
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: they were they were dressed to kill man. Their first

546
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: recollection of the two of us was we weren't wearing

547
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: any shoes and you know, very Californian, and that being

548
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: went off with both of those guys. This is a

549
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: whole now that become because obviously Arnie Ginsberg was dark

550
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: and he was a Jewish kid, olive skinned, and Jan

551
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: was the blonde, blue eyed, you know, great looking guy.

552
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: And then they saw two blondes, they went, this is

553
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: very unusual because we'll be going up against Frankie and

554
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: Fabian and Bobby Rydell, all those guys. Because still most

555
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: of the industry was on the East coast. They thought

556
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: just even the look was very very interesting to them

557
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: and could could really work. Then of course, then it

558
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: came to finding the song. Well, they were getting demos

559
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: all the time too, you know for Sam stuff, and

560
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: some of it wasn't suited for Sam. So they went

561
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: through all their demos and they came up with baby Talk.

562
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: So it's Leu and Herbert came up with baby Talk

563
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: and thought that would fit our style perfectly. Don't shoot.

564
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: The four of us worked on baby Talk, Don't We

565
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: finished it, but it was cut in Jan's music room. Yes,

566
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: we we would make make the records exactly the opposite

567
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: from how you're supposed to do it. We do the

568
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: vocals and the piano first, and then take it to

569
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: the studio guys that put on earphones the studio eyes

570
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: and try and play. Now you think, you know, to

571
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: the normal ear you'd think, yeah, that that's not that

572
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: hard to do. But to a real trained musician studio guy,

573
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: they would say, man, this thing, it's just the meters

574
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: all over the place. I didn't sound that bad to us,

575
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: but again to a real good posisition, so it's very

576
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: hard for them to play to it. But you know,

577
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: they make it work, and you don't throw on the

578
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: yaketyak saxophones. And you had yourself, had yourself a record,

579
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: someone's up to Lou and herb to go shop at,

580
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: which they did. Found it a little indie label called Dora.

581
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: Now Deray had just had the Teddy Bears hit, so

582
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: they had had a that was a big that was

583
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: the number one recording. So they were flush and cash

584
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: man because they had had this big record and they

585
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: liked Baby Talk, and we're willing to put it out

586
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: and make a deal like three at least three singles

587
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: and an LP. Jan and Arnie never had enough material

588
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: to make an LP. I was pretty exciting. We get

589
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: to do an LP too. Wow. Anyway, I'm sory short.

590
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: They put it out and it was another top ten record,

591
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: and of course we did go on Dick Clark and

592
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: we realized that, or probably Lou realized that we needed

593
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: to stand out and be totally different. So he dressed

594
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: us up pretty pretty good, but we wore some kind

595
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: of you know, brighter colors or something that was not

596
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: what the normal guys were wearing. And from there just

597
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: kept getting more and more casual, and pretty soon we

598
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: were showing up and you know, bathing suits and stuff.

599
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: But in surfboards, okay, you cut baby talk, how does

600
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: it roll out? From there? Then it's just the grind

601
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: and then from there it's like, okay, that's neat. You

602
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: got a top ten ver. Yeah, you're right. The interesting

603
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: part about that was all I ever wanted to do

604
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: is see my name on a record. And if I

605
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: saw my name, it was Jan and Dean that army,

606
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: and I could show it to my friends. That's single

607
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: my name. That's all I ever need, right right? I

608
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: saw that look pretty good, you know, two to three

609
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: days later, going if I could only hear it on

610
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: the radio at least once or twice, I think that

611
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: would be pretty cool too. So Lou told us that

612
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: kf w B, which was within blocks of you, is

613
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: as I remember, um, kf w B was going to

614
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: be Mitchell read it was one of the top DJs

615
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: is going to play it and then have a challenge

616
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: of other new records and then you're to call in

617
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: and vote for you for the winner. And so he's

618
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: going to be playing it tonight at round seven o'clock.

619
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: So we're all to listen. We're to tell our friends

620
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: to get on the phone and call. So we did.

621
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: We let all our friends know and we I don't

622
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: remember who we went up against, and maybe it was

623
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: like maybe three singles and then then they would tally

624
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: the votes. So the first time I heard it on

625
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: the radio, I nearly threw up. I mean, it was

626
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: it was really really something. I mean, it was pretty

627
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm exciting. So okay, now we've heard it, and then

628
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: we heard our competition. Competition was okay, and then here

629
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: waiting and we're calling and our parents are calling, and

630
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: so when the announcement comes who won? Uh baby talk one?

631
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: Oh man? You could have just then he got played

632
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: again because it won. We were just ecstatic. We were

633
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: so excited. Then the second night, now the winner of

634
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: course goes against the you know, two more new singles

635
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: that we won again, you know, like three or four

636
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: times in a row. Funny. And I remember telling, we told,

637
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: that's just so excited. Well, I don't know whether maybe

638
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: Jan new, but I didn't. I'm talking to Lou on

639
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: the phone, and I was so excited Luco's you know,

640
00:43:52,280 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: we her and I managed b Mitchell read, oh I

641
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: see so again that's a kind of the the awakening

642
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: that nothing is really what you think it is. There's

643
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: always something going on. But I mean they ended up

644
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: being top ten records, so despite but that helped that

645
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: we were on the charts in l A because Las

646
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: big market, because Dick Clark would not play a record

647
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: unless you were on on a regional chart from hopefully

648
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: from a major city, because you know, because of all

649
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: that Paola stuff that was going on, and we were

650
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: able to show him this is from kf to to

651
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: be the number one rock and roll station in l A.

652
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: And if we're in the top ten. There he said,

653
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: you guys are on my show. You know, once you're

654
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: on Dick Clark, you were home free. That was hundreds

655
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: of thousands of recor it's just for one appearance, one

656
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: and if he brought you back, it would double the

657
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: numbers again. And then that was his regular daytime show.

658
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: Then he had that nighttime show. You made the nighttime show.

659
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: That was huge, huge, So we did it all in

660
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: all over the years. I think we did something like

661
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: Clark shows. I mean, he loved us, We loved him,

662
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: and he's a great guy, very much a professional and

663
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: obviously had super talent. So what follows up Baby Talk

664
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: Herb and Lewis song, which was just a valid um.

665
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: I think it charted most of our records at least charted,

666
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: but it wasn't the top ten record. And then we

667
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: did a couple more that weren't weren't They were on

668
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: the charts, but still were not top ten records, and

669
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: then our contract kind of ran out. Um. There was

670
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: another indie label that started right up the street, Liberty

671
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: Records s Home Lenny's Dad, Um. So they were the

672
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: new breed of indie level. They weren't old guys that

673
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: were left over from from you know, the Capitals and

674
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: Columbia's and stuff. Uh, this was really kind of younger

675
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: rock and roll guys. UM, so we wanted to be

676
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: on Liberty. We worked on a version of Heart and Soul.

677
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't remember whose idea it was,

678
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a very good idea. But Jan liked it,

679
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: Blue liked HERB thought it was it it stunk, and

680
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: I didn't particularly like it. It was always the you

681
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: know two and two um that usually Jan and Blue

682
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: usually won, so we at least we recorded it. Everybody

683
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: was not interested in that song. That too was a

684
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: doo wopper, but we were. For some reason, Blue and

685
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: Jan liked it, so they weren't getting off that that

686
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: that song. So they made a two record deal with

687
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: Gene Autrey's label, which was called Challenge. Now they had boy.

688
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: It was a Challenge was absolutely named um but he

689
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: had Tequila. It was a great song, of course, so

690
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: he had had a hit on that small little label

691
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: of his. He was multifaceted. He was into everything from

692
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: real estate too, you name it. He was, don't I

693
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: think he had? He owned the baseball team for a

694
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: while so a fascinating guy, but the label was still

695
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: not where we wanted to be. Anyway, we released that,

696
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: it was like a top thirty or twenty record. It

697
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: just okay. And in the follow up, we just wanted

698
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: to get out of the deal, so we gave him

699
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: just something filler song and we were gone. And then

700
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: we went to Liberty. So what what convinced Liberty did

701
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: go with? You know that we didn't have anything to

702
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: start clean because they had their own producers and stuff,

703
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: so they were thinking if if if we struggled, that

704
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: they could step in, and they had some of the people,

705
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: you know, younger people working for them. Um. And by

706
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: this time Herb had moved on because he didn't think

707
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: we were going to do much after that. He really

708
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: didn't like I didn't like that song. So they broke

709
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: up and Lou Lou Lou and Herb were standing in

710
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: their little office on sunset over a Chinese laundry and

711
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: they had two assets and when was the tape recorder

712
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: and one was Jan and Deine. So Herb said, well,

713
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: would you mind if I took the tape recording listen?

714
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, okay, that's yours. You know, good luck

715
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: Herbert had gone off and recorded with harm with our money,

716
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: used our money to record a song that he thought

717
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: Lou would like and that Lou would realize that we

718
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: probably didn't have much future, and that Lou would go

719
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: with herb. It was some trumpet record, and louis gonna,

720
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: who's gonna buy a record with the guy playing some

721
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: stupid trumpet, and so that's okay. When okay, you can

722
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: keep your demo and and the recorder that plays it,

723
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: and you know, good luck, and off he went, ended

724
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: up with Lonely Bull and all of that. The Tijuana

725
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: Brass so um. We struggled in the beginning, and then

726
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: we came upon a do opera and we knew that

727
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: that was going to be one of our last two operas,

728
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: which was called It was an old fifties forties, late

729
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: forties fifties classics song called Linda and Us, so it

730
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: was kind of our style, and yet it was all

731
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: sung in falsetto. We had not done one of those before,

732
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: so I sang it all in falsetto. And now we're

733
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: double tracking for the first time. We're starting to get

734
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: that little bit fatter sound, and we're liking it and

735
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: at that time we did I think we did Barbaran

736
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: again with fattening the vocals, so we're pretty excited about

737
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: now we're back in the vocal group. Even though it's

738
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: just all us um, it's fun to sing harmonies. So

739
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: we do Lynda on Liberty and it's it's a top

740
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: twenty song, so exactly. So that meant that we would

741
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: get to do uh an LP. Of course, only took

742
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: one hit to make make you to eleven songs, which

743
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: is not that As you know, it's not that easy

744
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: to do. It's hard enough to do one, let alone

745
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: eleven more, and you don't want to give up too

746
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: many real good ones on that because you want to

747
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: save them for singles. So anyway, we do Linda m hmm.

748
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: About that time, we didn't have our own band, but

749
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: we used studio guys um. So when we played live,

750
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: usually the person that that booked us would have to

751
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: hire an opening act that we're self contained, they would

752
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 1: play all their own instruments. And this one particular time,

753
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: right around the lended time, we had an offer to

754
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: go play and remember Hermosa Beach and we said, okay,

755
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: so who's the band. They're like a local local band.

756
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: They've had a couple of records out. They're called the

757
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: Beach Boys, so okay, and they'll learn your stuff. That

758
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: we only had like three hits, so they had to

759
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: just learn three hits of ours, and in filler songs,

760
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: we just do you know, classic rock stuff. That was

761
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: easy enough. We got to the high school gymnasium type

762
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: thing and they were in addressing room waiting for us,

763
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: and they had already, of course been practicing. So now

764
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: we're all together practicing. These songs sounded great. We were

765
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: happy with it, they were happy with it. We had

766
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: heard their songs they had at a picture time, they

767
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: had surfing and surfings so far. A Servant Safari was

768
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: the first time they were on the national charts. I

769
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: don't know how how successful it was, but it was

770
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: least it was on the national charts. So we um.

771
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: They go do their opening set and we're called out,

772
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: uh introduced, and then they do our songs plus a

773
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: couple of things that we kind of just worked out together,

774
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: you know, Chuck Berry, just classics, and we closed with

775
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: maybe Linda probably as being our newest hit. We wave

776
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: goodbye to the audience and we go off stage. Well,

777
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: the buyer runs up, goes, you know, hey, you're supposed

778
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: to play, you know, till ten o'clock. It's nine fifty.

779
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: You owe me, you know me, ten more minutes. So

780
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: we we did all the songs we know, well, you

781
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: know you owe me ten more minutes. So what we're

782
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: gonna do? So we told the beach Boys, we've got

783
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: to go back on and fill for you know, ten

784
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: minutes or something. And it's said, it sounded stupid to

785
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: redo your songs, and we didn't want to do that,

786
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: so I said, what about. We said, let's do your songs.

787
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: We'll do that. We know surfing and surfants safari. Well enough,

788
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: let's just do yours again, because now it's been a

789
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: couple of hours since you did them. We just left stage.

790
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: I said, you'll sing our songs. Why don't we know them?

791
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: They're not that hard to sing, and it'll be kind

792
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: of fun. Will be a vocal group, all right, So

793
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: two extra vocals in there, and we did surfing and

794
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: surfings so far, and we strung him out long enough

795
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: to do our ten minutes, and then we said goodbye,

796
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: and everybody was happy and we went that was fun.

797
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,479
Speaker 1: That was really fun to seeing all those four part

798
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: harmonies and doubling the falsettos and man, this was pretty cool.

799
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: So we exchange phone numbers and now we were thinking

800
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: about this LP we had to do, and we're also

801
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: thinking that this kind of beach culture thing, I mean

802
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: that we lived at the beach too as well. We

803
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: should start thinking about doing stuff about California instead of

804
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: the duop stuff and move on. So, yeah, that was

805
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: a good idea. So we have their phone numbers and

806
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: we decide, okay, standard operating procedure was you had to

807
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: hit sing going you'd put that title on your LP,

808
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: so Linda had to be in the title. So just

809
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: to have a Linda sound a kind of dopey. So

810
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: he said, what about if we say Jan and Dean

811
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: take Linda surfing, they would tie in the surfing. Um

812
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: call up that guy Brian and see if I'm sure

813
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: he won't mind. He's a songwriter, they have those songs

814
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: have already been out once. They're not gonna make any

815
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: more money off with the shelf life is you know

816
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: sixty days that the most so as a songwriter, and

817
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: he could keep the publishing, he should be excited. We

818
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: call him. Of course he's excited, and we said, well,

819
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: you could play the tracks too, if you wanted to

820
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: get the extra extra money. They were all for that.

821
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: They all showed up. We did uh Surfing Surfing Safari

822
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: with our extra two vocals, and unfortunately there was only

823
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: to surf songs ever written. It's hard to fill a

824
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: whole album with two surf songs, so but we to

825
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: be you know, Hamburger help her some way through in there.

826
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we really liked that whole surf thing.

827
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: So Brian said, do you want to hear our next single?

828
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: I said, oh sure, We're still all sit in the

829
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: studio together, and he plays surf in USA. We went

830
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: it's really good, obviously, really really good. But we said, Brian,

831
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, um, that melody is Chuck Berry's melody, because

832
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: we all love Chuck Berry, so that's his melody, sweet

833
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: little sixteen. Don't you know he can't just take somebody

834
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: else's melody and just change the words. Yeah, it's not

835
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: not legal, and he's gonna sue you for that and

836
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: will end up not being your publishing or anything. You're

837
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: just gonna have to give that money to him. And

838
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: Brian says, well, my dad said it was okay, said, well,

839
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: your dad works in the machine shot. You know, I'm

840
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: not sure he really knows, you know, what's legal and

841
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: what's not. But we're telling you. You know you're gonna

842
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: get sued. So he said, wow, you know really because

843
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: oh I we jumped in and said, well we know Chuck,

844
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: which we did, and we can call him up, negotiate

845
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: and get the song and then you know, we can

846
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: do the song. He goes, no, nope, I'm I'm gonna

847
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: do Surfin Sad. But I do have another song. Let

848
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: me show you this one. Maybe you'll like this one.

849
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: Two Girls for a Free Boy. Yeah, that's pretty good.

850
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: But Brian, that doesn't make any sense. You wrote this

851
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: surf City song, So why don't you you finish surf City,

852
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: will finish surf in USA and get the deal from Chuck.

853
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: That way you you'll do something that you totally wrote

854
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: that can stay in your publishing company. No, I don't

855
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: want to do that. I'm tired of surf City here.

856
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: So it was half finished, so either take it or

857
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: leave it, so we'll take it. So obviously it was

858
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: a great song. Um, so luckily we we got that

859
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: song from Brian, and both songs came out around the

860
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: same time. They were both top been records. Virus was

861
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: number one. We were the first surf song to ever

862
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: ever hit that number one Now isn't be credited to

863
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: both Brian and Jan Yeah did you What did you do?

864
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: Win the record? If anything, That's what I was trying

865
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: to figure out. I actually have the handwritten lyrics in

866
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: my files. I've been offered by some Japanese guy offered

867
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: me like twenty grand for it, but I'm keeping it anyways,

868
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: it's handwritten, it's Brian's writing. I cross out a couple

869
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: of lines and with my very distinct I didn't write

870
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: in cursive. I printed because I was in the school

871
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: of architecture, so I only knew how to print. So

872
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: I wrote in a couple of lines were all mine

873
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: that I changed because Brian called the woody a thirty

874
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: three woody and they didn't make a woody, and he

875
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: called it a truck. I have a panel truck at

876
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: call of Witty, and a panel trucks, not a woody.

877
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: Panel trucks is a pound truck, solid metal side. So Brian,

878
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, panel trucks are not a Woody, but the

879
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: station wagon is a woddy. So I got a wagon

880
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: that call of wood Okay, that's okay. So I crossed

881
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: all that how he said it in the original lyrics

882
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't have a radio, and I said, Brian, we're

883
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: young people. For for a car that we're driving to

884
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: not have a radio, that's just not right. So it

885
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: should be I ain't got I came up a back

886
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: seat or a rear window. That rhymes, because that's where

887
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: the surfboard goes. So you take out the back seat

888
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: back window, because it's a longboard, it's going to go

889
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: out the back So is that okay? Oh yeah, okay,

890
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: that'll be fun. And a few other things we tweaked,

891
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: so I probably ended up writing probably more in jam

892
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: don't remember what he wrote. And we didn't get an

893
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: arguments about stuff like that. But technically I should have

894
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: been one of those writers. But you know, I didn't

895
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: think of it. And again we thought in terms of

896
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: shelf life being sixty ninety days, and you didn't want

897
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: to get in a fight over you know, something like that,

898
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: because you're moving on to the next thing, you know,

899
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: a month and a half later. Two So anyway, it

900
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: came out great. We discovered at that point we'd put

901
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: together the Wrecking Crew guys. Jam was hand picking some

902
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: of these guys and the original Wrecking Crew was Phil

903
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: Spector's band, and then we took the guys we really

904
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: liked and then added in Glenn Campbell, Leon Russell, if You,

905
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: and Larry Nick Doll I few really really good guys,

906
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: and that became our version of the Wrecking Crew and

907
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: that track that it was a real breakthrough for us

908
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: because it just was so damn good. And even Brian

909
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: heard that Brian was still using his guys in the studio.

910
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: We pointed out, Brian, you know, you can pay these

911
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: guys three hundred bucks. They'll get it in two takes,

912
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: and you can probably do three or four songs in

913
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: a session instead of waiting for your guys to get

914
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: off the road. He'd retired from the road. He didn't

915
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: much like the road. He loved creating the records, and

916
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: there was no nothing special about singing live. To him,

917
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: it was tedious and it was time traveling all that

918
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: where he could be producing and writing. So it's a

919
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: perfect deal. The genius is at home writing and arranging

920
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: the tunes, and when you get off the road the

921
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: other guys, and being on the road, you're promoting your

922
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: your music. You have to do that part of it too,

923
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: that's part of the whole package. So it was great.

924
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: They'll be out singing live, Brian will be home writing

925
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: and arranging. So Brian heard the track two to Surf

926
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: City and he said, how'd you do that? You know,

927
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: we gave him hal Blaine's numbers. They call him. You know,

928
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: they'll bring all the same guys you just heard there

929
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: and they'll do your tracks. Leave open guitar stuff for Carl,

930
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: because Carl had very distinctive he had that surf guitar thing. Now,

931
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: so you just you guys, your records are vocal records.

932
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: You don't need to waste a bunch of time on,

933
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, drum tracks. And Dennis sometimes shows up and

934
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: he's been drinking, and these guys make it that much

935
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: easier for you. And all you have to do is

936
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: worry about the vocals, a few signature um instruments, and

937
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: your music. So the next big hit after Surf City

938
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: is Honolulululu, right, another top ten record. I don't know why,

939
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: but it was cute and had a little surf that

940
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: that surf guitar. A lot of our records didn't have

941
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: guitars as much as we should have had um, but

942
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: that had a little slide guitar which was kind of neat,

943
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: had a little Hawaiian field to it, so as the

944
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: top ten. Then we had Drag City after that, and

945
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: we're switching over from the beach stuff into the car stuff,

946
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: and Drag City was it was a natural and Brian

947
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: helped help write that one too as well. And from there,

948
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember, a dead Man's Curve is thrown in there,

949
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: and a New Girl in School New on School was

950
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: a song that Brian had written many many years before

951
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: called when Summer Comes Gonna Hustle You, and our record

952
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: company told us you can't say hustle you radio. It's

953
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: okay say it on your show, of course. Okay, when

954
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: Summer Comes Gonna Hustle You. Um, I don't know, so

955
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: we rewrote it. I mean we knew that the tune

956
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: was right and that the whole the whole arrangement was perfect.

957
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: It didn't really matter what what the subject matter was.

958
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: Particularly so New Girl in School that became, and that

959
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: was the top twenty record. So and dead man's skirts

960
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: thrown in and right, well, sir, and a few others.

961
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't remember. I can't remember. Okay,

962
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: how do you get the little old lady from Pasadena?

963
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: So I going to Pasadena? You know last time I

964
01:06:53,120 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: saw your You remember, um? One of chance buddies, Jam

965
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: by this time is in Actually he was premed at

966
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: u C. I. Now he's actually in med school or

967
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: just about being med school. So one of our old

968
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: high school buddies that also was going through med school

969
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: with Jan. They were in some class together. Obviously they

970
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: weren't listening because they had Our friend Don had told

971
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: us that he had seen on television a commercial for

972
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: the Southern California Dodge dealership where there is a character

973
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: a little old lady sitting behind the wheel of a

974
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: superstock Dodge, because Dodge was trying to appeal to you know,

975
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: hot rods and two younger people and rebranding themselves at

976
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: least muscle cars. So it was a pretty clever commercial.

977
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: So this little old person is is driving this car

978
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: and there, I mean we all used to in those days,

979
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: every young person at a car any time, every time

980
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: you'd stop for a signal there would be a race. Yeah,

981
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: almost always. There's always some car around that that you

982
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: know that that these guys and they're just there. Always

983
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: was a race. So she does a little street race

984
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: was some some other car, don't remember what the car was,

985
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: and of course she blows him off and then comes

986
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: to a screeching halt, and the camera comes around by

987
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: the side and and she turns right to the camera,

988
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: the smoke still coming up from from her skidding to

989
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: a stop, and she says, put a dodge in your girl, Juney. Yeah,

990
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: that was a really clever We like that. We were

991
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: also starting to mix in a little humor and our stuff,

992
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: so this was this was perfect. So the juxtaposition of

993
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: the old person, you know, in a street rod was

994
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: interesting to us. So we thought Jim and Don thought

995
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: this would be a great thing. So they started started

996
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: writing it coming up, and we also thought somewhere in

997
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: there that once we finished, I mean, we've had at

998
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: this point maybe four or five Top ten reactors in

999
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: a row. That you go to dodge. You say, by

1000
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: the way, you have the character, you can throw in

1001
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: a tailor made song and this will be a top

1002
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: ten song easily. So anyway, we finished it, knew it

1003
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 1: was a hit, Um sent it off to Dodge. They

1004
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: never even answered us. I think we tried to reach

1005
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: him a couple of times before it came out and

1006
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: never responded. So we put it out and that also

1007
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: was a top ten record. How did you end up

1008
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: being the host of the Tabby Show? By default? I

1009
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: think we're the only local guys. We were the closest.

1010
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: We were the closest guys group that to the Santa

1011
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: Monicacific auditor. I was about ten minutes away. Jan was

1012
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: probably eighteen minutes a way to twenty minutes away. Everybody

1013
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: else was, even the Beach Boys. They don't have to

1014
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: drive up from Hawthorne. So um. We also were in

1015
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 1: school so they could work with us on the show.

1016
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: Where the other guys are out out working, we could

1017
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: meet them after school or yeah, cut to school. So

1018
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: we we were just were in the right place at

1019
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: the right time. Um, so it just made sense. I

1020
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: think we talked the Peach Boys into doing it. They

1021
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: also wanted the Beach Boys, and we were the only

1022
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: ones that Beach Boys will listen to it at the time.

1023
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: So that film has become legendary legendary, legendary. What was

1024
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: the experience of actually being there? Well, at the time,

1025
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't know it was legendary, and we

1026
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: knew most of them, not most of the people. We

1027
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 1: knew at least half the people worked with, so including

1028
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: James Brown. We knew what James did, so it wasn't

1029
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: so you know, we were alown away. Uh. We had

1030
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: a joining dressing rooms with the Stones, and of course

1031
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,839
Speaker 1: they didn't talk to anybody, so I think we nodded

1032
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: to one another. Since we were the hosts, we didn't

1033
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 1: have time to hang around. Most of those other people

1034
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: just probably hung around and then eventually all talked to

1035
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: one another, kissing, because we did it in two nights,

1036
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: just in case we screwed up something. Um. So we

1037
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: we were you know, we had lines to do. Plus

1038
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: we were I think we were changing costumes for each

1039
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: each person that we introduced, we wore something different, So

1040
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: we're kind of busy. Didn't really have time to hang

1041
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: with these people too much. Um So, just being busy,

1042
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: I didn't really have time to absorb it. Um. But

1043
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: once we saw it, we knew it was We knew

1044
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: it was special. I love the titles. I think the

1045
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: titles are so classic. Um and then when Dick Clark

1046
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: dug it out of the vaults and bought it from

1047
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: dusted it off, um M. He always knew that was

1048
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: a very classic piece of film. And then it deserved

1049
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: to now be redigitized, and it needed to be properly marketed,

1050
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,799
Speaker 1: and and it had to be seen, which it ultimately

1051
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: has been. So meanwhile, you're the two of you are

1052
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: going to school. How much you're working live weekends summer

1053
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: so we do spring break and summers. Were you making

1054
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: any money? Yeah? And what do you do with the

1055
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: money to save it? To spend it? Bought stock? Really,

1056
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: we did a Coca Cola commercial and they would either

1057
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: pay us cash or in stock. And Jan took cash

1058
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: he was buying a house. I took stock and it doubled.

1059
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: It doubled and split and doubled and split, so it

1060
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: dip pretty well. Now we were pretty pretty good with

1061
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: our money. So let's just assume without you had ultimately

1062
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: had a second career. But if you just had your

1063
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 1: music career, did it generate enough money to live for

1064
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: the rest of your life? No? Not not like today,

1065
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: Not like today. Okay, so you're in school. You're going

1066
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: to City College and then you transfer to usc IS

1067
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: and you say, you're in the architecture school. Did you

1068
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: want to become an architect? I thought I did, But

1069
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: once I got there and they kept telling me I

1070
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: wasn't cut out for that, I finally believed him. Um.

1071
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: So they did have fine arts too as well, and

1072
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: advertising arts, so I went into more advertising art. I

1073
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: think my degree was advertising design or something like that,

1074
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: which would include marketing and branding and all of those things.

1075
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: And that's all stuff I was kind of doing for us,

1076
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: So it made sense when all of a sudden, I said, yeah,

1077
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: that makes a lot more sense because I could be

1078
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: creating our own packaging because I knew that was going

1079
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,919
Speaker 1: to be important. Knew the visuals were going to be important.

1080
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: The Beatles, when when they hit everything changed, I mean

1081
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: it became serious and we could see how how much

1082
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: attention to detail that that that they were spending the

1083
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: time really thinking every little piece of their career. And

1084
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: we said, we, you know, to keep up, we have

1085
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: to do that, and most acts are going to have

1086
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: to do that. You're gonna have to think of the

1087
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: big picture, all of it, and not just focus on

1088
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: I gotta have that hit song, you know, you have

1089
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: to have that, but you got to have all the

1090
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: other pieces in place too, and branding. Branding was a

1091
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: huge thing, and I don't ever remember the word being

1092
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: used in the sixties. Nobody really got it. I saw

1093
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:10,719
Speaker 1: Peter Paul and Mary album once and then I saw

1094
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: how there it was stylized print for Peter, Paul and Mary,

1095
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking then that type never changed, and

1096
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: I thought that is really cool too, to think of

1097
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: it as a product and to tie the visuals into

1098
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Is remember that was kind of kind

1099
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: of hippie hippie folk type, and the pretty much when

1100
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: you saw it, you thought Peter, Paul, Mary, and then

1101
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: they could just use the P, P and M because

1102
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: it was so recognizable. I thought, you know, that's really

1103
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: really neat how all that ties in, and of course

1104
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: the written word ties in. I had Tom Hanks once

1105
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: tell me how much love to read our liner notes

1106
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: because there was so much in there. And he got

1107
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: the whole, you know, the whole big picture, and appreciated

1108
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: that kind of humor thing that that strung through it all.

1109
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: I certainly got that too. So let's get to the accident. Now,

1110
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: when the accident happens, it seems that your careers cooled

1111
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: off a little bit. Would you say that it's true? Well, yeah,

1112
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: but it was somewhat by design because we knew we

1113
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: had a television series that we were going to be doing.

1114
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: It was bought by ABC. We were going to be

1115
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: on debut the same season that the Monkeys debut, and

1116
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: screen gems and all that. They were all intertwined with

1117
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: them and us, and we would have probably been on

1118
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: each other's shows and helped cross promote things, um in

1119
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: separate channels. I think they were in NBC. I remember

1120
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 1: we were in ABC. So we knew that being on

1121
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 1: TV once a week, I'm gonna yes. So we knew

1122
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: that that exposure was just going to be way above

1123
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: anything we'd ever done. We were looking at Ricky Nelson

1124
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: ocousely dude sing that damn song and that and each

1125
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: one of his little shows and it was a gold record,

1126
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: So we weren't really worried about that end of it.

1127
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 1: We also understood that we needed to keep our a

1128
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: material from We weren't going to resign with Liberty. We're

1129
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: going to have our own label or not have our

1130
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: own label and justorated by some warners or even done

1131
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: you'll want to do to do um distribution deal. Wey

1132
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: not have our I mean, we're getting all this exposure.

1133
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: We don't need a label to do the exposure. We're

1134
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: going to be doing it on TV. And louis still

1135
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: managing you with this and uh hal Blane had a

1136
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: part that he would play recurring part in the show.

1137
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: It was it was neat. It's like a little road show.

1138
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: But we would get lost and and all sorts of

1139
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: other things outside of the music of somehow getting to

1140
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: that concert. There were storylines, you know, so and then later,

1141
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, years later, looked back and a lot of

1142
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: little side things that we were going to do became

1143
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: like we were gonna do a little parody of Rout

1144
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: sixty only ours is gonna be Routed sixty nine. But

1145
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 1: we had corvettes, we had sting rights, and we often

1146
01:19:55,680 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: drove them to two concert dates if there was within

1147
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty miles. We thought it was fun. But

1148
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: all those little side adventures of getting arrested, a couple

1149
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: of homes, getting lost, and all those things. We would

1150
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: make make a show out of it. But we'd kind

1151
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: of parody some of these other television shows two at

1152
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: the time, long story short. When I look back many

1153
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: years later and looked at some of the rough ideas

1154
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,759
Speaker 1: of where it was going to go, it was almost

1155
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live. Kinds of skidding that we would do.

1156
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: But anyway, so we do the pilot. The pilot seals

1157
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: we don't want to give any of our A list

1158
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: songs to Liberty. You were kind of winding it down. Um,

1159
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: we didn't want to leave them with anything, and made

1160
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: sure that once we left, the cupboard was bare and

1161
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: we weren't prolific m hm master makers because we would

1162
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: cut just what we needed and that was it. So

1163
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be all a lot of stuff

1164
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,759
Speaker 1: floating around. We didn't want them to have any stuff

1165
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: to compete, and so it was more or less thought

1166
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: out that, at least record wise, So we cut back

1167
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,759
Speaker 1: because it didn't matter. We knew what was the future

1168
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: was going to be. But unfortunately Jan had that automobile

1169
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: accident and all went away. So how did you find

1170
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: out he had the accident? Uh? Just school met n

1171
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: SC came up to me. You know, I was just

1172
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: walking across the campus and somebody came up to me,

1173
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: an old friend and said, hey, I heard on the news.

1174
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 1: Uh that just he just got into school, so he

1175
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: had the car radio and I've been there for a

1176
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: couple of hours, so I just heard it. Jan had

1177
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: a bad automobile accident and Beverly Hills. Is he okay?

1178
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: I know had this first, I've heard of it, and

1179
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: how to go to the pay phone, you know, there

1180
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 1: were no phones, and I'm called lose office and I

1181
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: found out that it was. It was pretty serious at

1182
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: that point, so nobody knew how whether or not he

1183
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 1: would ever recover or not. He was in a coma

1184
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: he had, Yeah, he did have permanent brain damage. So

1185
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: he had permanent brain damage. Uh do you immediately realize

1186
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: that this is over? Yeah? Yeah, it was pretty pretty obvious. Um,

1187
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: but you know I triggered. There was a reason I

1188
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 1: was going to school, But there's a reason he was

1189
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 1: going to school. Is that we knew that this rock

1190
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: a room never gonna last forever, at least for us

1191
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: or for about anybody. You know. It does have a

1192
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: shelf like too, So this is I guess this is

1193
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: what I planned for and I just graduated. Any when

1194
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: I was in in into my master's program. I don't

1195
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: know why as a graduate student, and it didn't really

1196
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: need to go, but I went just in case. I thought,

1197
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 1: I've maybe going to law school because a USC had

1198
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: a good law school. I thought, if we really do

1199
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: make this show work, I should probably know a little

1200
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: bit about about the law. I guess why not? And

1201
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: I figured if Chan was still in mid school, I

1202
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: didn't know how this was all going to work. But

1203
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,719
Speaker 1: just you know, I thought maybe we could do both.

1204
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: But I was pretty sure it couldn't. But I don't know. Okay,

1205
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: just go back to chapter. You must you know you're

1206
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: a hit act on USC campus. She must have been

1207
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: a big star. You would think you would have thunk. Um.

1208
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: I think I've been there so long and I was

1209
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: just one of the guys. Because it didn't really feel

1210
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: like it. It wouldn't pay much attention to me. I

1211
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: don't think. I think had we done the television show

1212
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: have been much different. Um. When I first got to USC,

1213
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: most of the most college kids didn't particularly like rock

1214
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 1: and roll. Really, they liked folk music. You see relevant music, uh, jazz,

1215
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: anything about that rock and roll is for fourteen year olds.

1216
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: And I actually literally had friends with Tony. Are you

1217
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: still making that music for the fourteen fifty year old girls? Yeah?

1218
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: Well off campus? Were there perks of having this success? Um?

1219
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: A little bit? Yeah, what do you mean, Well, first,

1220
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: let's be obvious chick wise, right, Um, yeah, kind of,

1221
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: but it was still, uh, you know, when you're actually

1222
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: on the road. It was a lot easier being away

1223
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: from home obviously, so I had to be careful around home.

1224
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: So um, we we were pretty careful. We didn't get

1225
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: any troll in town. Are you invited to things forget? Yeah,

1226
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: but we don't don't have time. Literally, don't have time

1227
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: either you're in school or you're recording, and that that's

1228
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 1: about all the time I had. Luckily, we didn't have time,

1229
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 1: So I imagine we could have gotten a lot more

1230
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: trouble had had we, you know, had some free time.

1231
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: Drugs are not an issue. Jan what he was in

1232
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: med school. You know, they had their uppers and stuff

1233
01:25:55,320 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 1: that for studying. So other than that, yeah, we again,

1234
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: it really didn't have time for drugs either. So ultimately,

1235
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: after the accident, you had a second career being a

1236
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: graphic designer. How long after the accident do you start

1237
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 1: to build that business? Well, I had relatively started it

1238
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: before the accident, maybe a good year before the accident.

1239
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 1: I was already starting to playing out, you know, our

1240
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: or some of our marketing stuff that we would want

1241
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: to do. A lot had to do with the television show.

1242
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: I knew clothing was going to be important. So I

1243
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: had learned silk screening at USC so I knew how

1244
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: to make the screens and how to do multiple colors

1245
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. And I knew that

1246
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 1: I had a feeling that this whole beach attire was

1247
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 1: going to be important. This is way before you know

1248
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: o P or any of the any of the surf

1249
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 1: brands came along. I kind of knew that that that

1250
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 1: was going to be important, and that that stuff we

1251
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: could wear on television show. We used to do the

1252
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: Little Lloyd Saxton Show right here, right just down the street,

1253
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: as I remember, um, and we wear just I had

1254
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:33,759
Speaker 1: I made up part. We sponsored a adult flag football

1255
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: team and Jan played on it occasionally. I played on

1256
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: it all the time because I owned it so pretty well,

1257
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: I could pretty well right myself whatever whatever I wanted

1258
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 1: to do. You see that I paid for the jerseys

1259
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 1: and the pants and all the entry fees and all

1260
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: of that, so I I would wear every once in

1261
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: a while the Jan and Deane's bell Are bandits foot

1262
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: cultures and an amount of mail that we would get

1263
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: after that. We're gonna get that, you know. So I

1264
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 1: went to sc and I and I got out the

1265
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 1: screening and the stuff and and copied pretty much all

1266
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 1: the these did have stripes and piping and stuff. But

1267
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: in one color, I created the actual football jersey. We

1268
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: sold thousands and thousands of those shirts. And I'm going

1269
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: if that comes off of Lloyd Taxton show, think about

1270
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 1: a national show that has twenty to thirty million people

1271
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: seeing it once a week and you wear a shirt

1272
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: like that, or you the skateboards. We had a sidebox

1273
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: surfing skateboards that we were going to work a deal

1274
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 1: with Makaha or one of those big board manufacturers at

1275
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: the time, and so all the ska pouring, all the

1276
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 1: surfing stuff, all the beat stuff. When we had little

1277
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: medallions or surfer medallions made. He was going to be

1278
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: a slam could have been just amazing. So when Jane

1279
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 1: crashed and still had all those ideas. So since all

1280
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: of my friends were in the music industry. My good

1281
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 1: friends of Beach Boys. I went to them and said,

1282
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. Now, I could be doing

1283
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 1: that for you. I could be your art director. You know,

1284
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: you don't have to deal with the art department. Um.

1285
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 1: I was learning how to get around our art department

1286
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 1: in the Jam and Deine days. I said, it can

1287
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: be done. The artists can demand certain things about their

1288
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: their own packaging and on merchandising and all that kind

1289
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: of stuff. So each artist that I would pick, I'm

1290
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: just saying I will be your advocate and I will

1291
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: be the one that speaks for you out go in

1292
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: and talk to the record company and or to the

1293
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: art department and just demand that this is what the

1294
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: artist wants, okay, And that becomes a successful business and

1295
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: you end up doing the logo for Chicago. And then

1296
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: of course in there's a TV movie. To what degree

1297
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: did you see that coming? Um, well there was a

1298
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,719
Speaker 1: after all these years, so this was after chance accident.

1299
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: So by the seventies, you know, we've been out of

1300
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: the business for good ten twelve years. A buddy of

1301
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: mine that did go to law school, uh at at

1302
01:30:54,240 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 1: usc wrote wrote in a Janine p because he was

1303
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: fascinated about it all. I don't know why, but he'd

1304
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: written this, Hothy. He liked to write. That was his

1305
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:16,759
Speaker 1: way of unwinding from being a lawyer. And I helped

1306
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: him because you know, he couldn't get information from Jan

1307
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 1: and we were buddies, so all he would he would

1308
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: talk to me for hours and write it all down

1309
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: and record parts of it. And he wrote it. He

1310
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: was a decent writer. Um. He had a couple of

1311
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 1: connections and a couple of magazines and by the time

1312
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,560
Speaker 1: he finished writing it, uh, and was about to submit it,

1313
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 1: those those contacts went away. Then he sent it to

1314
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 1: others and people turned it down, saying nobody can remember

1315
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: who Chandine were. Um, so it's you know, it's a

1316
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 1: nice piece, but they name recognition is not there. So

1317
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 1: they went around around. He even sent it to Playboy

1318
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: and Playboy turned him down. So he was pretty much

1319
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: had been turned down. Uh. And then I suggested, what

1320
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: about Rolling Stone. I mean, they will understand that the

1321
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:22,919
Speaker 1: brand and understand the story. And it's still an interesting

1322
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: story about Jan's you know, recovery and stuff, because he

1323
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 1: was starting to at least function, and it's an interesting story,

1324
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: you know. So we submitted it to Rolling Stone and

1325
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 1: they loved it. Again. This is fourteen years after your

1326
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 1: last hit, and they we're going to put us on

1327
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: the cover of Rolling Stone. Any Leibowitz came and took

1328
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 1: my picture at my graphics are office, which is was

1329
01:32:55,880 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: a sunset and Ogden and she hung around the office

1330
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 1: and took pictures of me at the office and stuff,

1331
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: and then we went down to the beach. She took

1332
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: shots of both Janet and my song. This is a

1333
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: big time. I'm gonna be on a cover of Rolling

1334
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 1: Stone after all these years and about a five six

1335
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 1: page article as I remember, and it's just about to

1336
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 1: come out, and Nixon Quits bumped us off the cover,

1337
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,719
Speaker 1: but we still got, you know, our six pages inside,

1338
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,560
Speaker 1: which was really pretty neat. It's been nice to be

1339
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: in the cover though, um. And from that we got

1340
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: all sorts of calls from m I think I think

1341
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: it was actually theatrical calls in the beginning for actually

1342
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 1: really nice, big high budgeted films. And then it all

1343
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: that stuff just went away, and it came down to

1344
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: television and we finally did make a deal of CBS

1345
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 1: and it came out on CBS Prime Time a couple

1346
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 1: of years after the article was written, and from there

1347
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: and all held broke loose because I put my love

1348
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 1: at the beach boys and Bruce. We all went to

1349
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: school together, Bruce's and neighbor Jan's Johnstone. I invited all

1350
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 1: the guys, but only Mike and Bruce decided that that

1351
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 1: they wanted to do it, so they did. And then

1352
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 1: they work a lot. So right after that airing their

1353
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:46,600
Speaker 1: out touring as usual, and Mike calls me from the

1354
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: road maybe a couple of three or four days after

1355
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 1: that first airing on on the CBS and says, you

1356
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:59,680
Speaker 1: know they do. They do a lot of interviews, a

1357
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: lot of radio and stuff. And he said, we are

1358
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, we once a while get questions about Janadeine

1359
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: and our relationship. He said, ever since that the thing

1360
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 1: was shown a week ago, it's of what people are

1361
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: asking about is the relationship with Janadeine. Whether or not

1362
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Janadeine will ever be able to perform again. Blah blah blah.

1363
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 1: He says, you need to do it. I'm sitting in

1364
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: my little graphics office, nice and very comfortable, you know,

1365
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 1: and going like it's taking me ten and twelve years

1366
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: to build it up to this, and if I love,

1367
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: I didn't ever leave. I mean, if I was gone

1368
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 1: for two or three days, my clients would get piste off.

1369
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: So I wanted they were. They expected me to be

1370
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: right there and pick up the phone, so I knew

1371
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: if I strayed from that. There's plenty of other graphic

1372
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 1: designers now they're all competing. I was very careful and

1373
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 1: I thought, well, it sounds interesting, Mike, but yeah, I'll

1374
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 1: think about it. And then two or three weeks later,

1375
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, it's not going away. And then

1376
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: about nine months later they showed it again and the

1377
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 1: numbers were even bigger than they were the first time. Um,

1378
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 1: so Mike was all over me. Mike said, look, we're

1379
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,719
Speaker 1: going out on a tour with our own plane. There's

1380
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: a seat for you, and Jan's cool. I've never been

1381
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 1: in a private jet before. I thought that sounded pretty interesting,

1382
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 1: so I said yes, and I got Jan up and

1383
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 1: around and he was well enough to be able to

1384
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 1: sing at least three or four songs, and that's what

1385
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 1: we decided to do. We went out on tour with them,

1386
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 1: and I've been doing it ever since. So I saw

1387
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 1: you at the star Woods. I don't know if that

1388
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 1: was certain early. Okay, so you're working with jan and

1389
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: are you is what kind of shape is he in? Um? Well, yeah,

1390
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: we certainly had some uh. I mean he had about

1391
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: of physical limitations. I think most people that saw him

1392
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: thought he'd had a had a stroke because his right

1393
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 1: side was very slow. His arm was it was very

1394
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: difficult for him to get his arm up very far. Um.

1395
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: Left side was okay. Um. He had a phasia, which

1396
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:53,759
Speaker 1: is a speech problem. Um, so sometimes you get confused

1397
01:37:53,760 --> 01:38:00,040
Speaker 1: about words and things. But he also still part of

1398
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 1: his brain was still operating a hundred and seventy or eighty,

1399
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 1: and part of his brain was at sixty. So he's

1400
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 1: kind of savant in some regards. He could actually write music.

1401
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 1: And but if he if if he was writing the

1402
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 1: music and let's say it was sir City or something,

1403
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:28,600
Speaker 1: and he's writing out apart for a some instrument, and

1404
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 1: then he'd have to put the title. He'd asked me

1405
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: how to spell surf serve city. But then he'd go

1406
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 1: buttets in a flat and a flat he'd write at

1407
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 1: all came from different part of the brains, Like somebody stutters.

1408
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: You know that if they sing, they don't stutter. This

1409
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,839
Speaker 1: was kind of the same way. So in some regards

1410
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 1: he was he still was a genius, and the other parts,

1411
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, didn't work at all. So it was difficult.

1412
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 1: And the shows, what was it like being on stage

1413
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 1: with him? Um? In the beginning, it was the first

1414
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: maybe four or five years, it was it was okay,

1415
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 1: it was fun. Um, but as his body, you know,

1416
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:26,480
Speaker 1: we're all getting older as but his body was deteriorating

1417
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 1: faster than the rest of us, so that it became

1418
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:33,640
Speaker 1: physically a lot harder and a lot more frustrating for

1419
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: him to get from point A to point B. I

1420
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 1: saw the I saw the Glenn Campbell documentary documentary that

1421
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 1: reminded me a lot of Jam, especially towards the end

1422
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 1: when he was couldn't remember stuff. Um and Glenn went

1423
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: through that for what a couple of months, but during

1424
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: the film, I mean they did that one tour. I

1425
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 1: did that for over twenty years. I'm gonna think, holy cow,

1426
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: how the hell did I do that? Because the last

1427
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:16,679
Speaker 1: maybe good seven years was really really hard. I didn't

1428
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 1: know how to how to undo it. If I pulled

1429
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 1: the plug on it. The fans were going to some

1430
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 1: of the fans would be angry that I would do

1431
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 1: that to him. Um, he wouldn't. He wouldn't be happy

1432
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 1: with it, even though even though it was so physically

1433
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:41,839
Speaker 1: hard for him to do, Soli had so I couldn't

1434
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 1: pull the plug on it. I just I didn't know

1435
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 1: how it was going to end. Um And then he

1436
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 1: just he just finally just wore out and passed away.

1437
01:40:55,320 --> 01:41:01,719
Speaker 1: Did you see that coming? Mm hmmm. In some regards,

1438
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to outlive all of us,

1439
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 1: kind of Keith Richards, you know, exactly like Keith Richards.

1440
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 1: And but physically at least Keith can stand. And Jan

1441
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:16,880
Speaker 1: was at the point where he was having to sit

1442
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 1: for almost the whole show. And I told him once once,

1443
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: it is at the point where you can't stand. It's

1444
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: not fair. It's not fair to the audience and all that. So,

1445
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 1: and we're going to damage the brand. And I was

1446
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 1: worried about damaging the brand. And there's nothing I could

1447
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 1: do about it. So it did damage the brand. We

1448
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:46,639
Speaker 1: probably should have pulled the plug maybe five years sooner.

1449
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it at the time. How many gigs

1450
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 1: were you doing a year? Still doing thirty to forty

1451
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 1: to fifty at our peak. We were doing nineties throughout

1452
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 1: most of the eighties, and he regrets giving up the

1453
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 1: graphic design business. No, not really, because that changed too.

1454
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't see c ds coming. I just

1455
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:22,719
Speaker 1: never thought of that so soon thereafter, I think within

1456
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:28,759
Speaker 1: two to three years, because my last my last design

1457
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: was Steve Martin album cover, so that was her late

1458
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:39,880
Speaker 1: seventies early eighties, and by the mid eighties it was

1459
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:44,480
Speaker 1: all c ds, so there was no no magic and packaging.

1460
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: It was just a little seven by seven square in

1461
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 1: instead of twelve makes a big difference. Twelve it's a

1462
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,560
Speaker 1: whole foot and if you opened up a gatefold, you

1463
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 1: have two ft by one ft. Now you're down to

1464
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 1: this little teeny package. So I probably I got lucky.

1465
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 1: I really got lucky. And I still do a lot

1466
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:11,480
Speaker 1: of graphic design now anyway, and it's saw a photoshop

1467
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: and so much easier um graphic using digital tools. It's

1468
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: kind of fun and I can redo all of my

1469
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 1: own stuff. And I did my whole website myself on

1470
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 1: every single page, and it was really fun to do.

1471
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 1: When I thought about how tedious all that stuff was

1472
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 1: in the seventies, to do stuff that I can do

1473
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 1: in minutes now that used to take me days to do.

1474
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:45,200
Speaker 1: So I still dabbling and still enjoy it. And okay,

1475
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 1: you still go out too as a touring act and

1476
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 1: for the audience you call that now. I usually give

1477
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 1: the buyer a couple of different ways, what ever makes

1478
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 1: them comfortable. But the basic one is the Janitine Beach

1479
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 1: Party featuring Dean Torrents, because I don't want to mislead

1480
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,760
Speaker 1: people with J Deine, but Jandine's got to be in

1481
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:20,440
Speaker 1: the title, so it's kind of a tribute to ourselves.

1482
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 1: How many, how much? How many times you do a year? Now?

1483
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:30,800
Speaker 1: Probably do thirty to forty And how long do you

1484
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 1: foresee doing this? I have no idea. Okay, so you'll

1485
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 1: do it until you dropped it. You can't do it probably,

1486
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 1: So I only accept stuff that that intrigues me. You know.

1487
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 1: I do a lot of corporate party stuff, which is

1488
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of fun. But if it's a place I haven't

1489
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 1: been or haven't been for a while, I'm so used to.

1490
01:44:56,400 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 1: I don't go on vacation myself because it bothers me to. Actually,

1491
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 1: I have to pay for the PI and the rooms.

1492
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm so used to somebody else paying for it makes

1493
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 1: me nervous to go on vacation. I go, that's just

1494
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: another two in that room. We're usually buyered? Is that? So?

1495
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 1: If if there's something interesting in someplace I've never been,

1496
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 1: I really really enjoy it. Okay, this late date and

1497
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 1: he regrets, I can't think of any So if you

1498
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 1: had to do it all over again, you would have

1499
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 1: made the same choices. I think I would. Yeah, I

1500
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 1: think I would. I had lunch with Lou Adler maybe

1501
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:49,639
Speaker 1: a year ago, and he's he's not even really tired. Actually,

1502
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, he's still does so many stuff and a

1503
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:57,640
Speaker 1: lot of good things. Heah, he sponsors kids camps and

1504
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 1: all that he's done, fabric this job with giving back

1505
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 1: to the community and all that stuff. But he's still

1506
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 1: a super creative guy. But you know, I told him,

1507
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 1: I said, you know, if it weren't for you, I

1508
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 1: don't think Jan and Dean would have ever had a

1509
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:22,839
Speaker 1: career because he really had total vision of the big picture.

1510
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: And he taught me that. But in the beginning, you know,

1511
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 1: we didn't see it, and he did. Um. He looked

1512
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 1: at me and he goes, you know, if it weren't

1513
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:38,639
Speaker 1: for you, guys, maybe I would have never had I said,

1514
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 1: all right, right, interest right without that success Um, whatever

1515
01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: happened Arnie Ginsburg, Arnie Arnie. He went to USC he

1516
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:59,720
Speaker 1: was in the School of Architecture. UM also became industrial

1517
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 1: to designer and stuff. He was very talented. He didn't care.

1518
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 1: He really didn't had no no love at all for

1519
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: for the MHM industry. He didn't like any of that.

1520
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:17,720
Speaker 1: He was really uncomfortable on stage. He just we hardly ever.

1521
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:20,559
Speaker 1: We talked about it briefly and never never talked about

1522
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 1: it again. I would see him almost every day at

1523
01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 1: school and see Jane at night and on weekends. And

1524
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 1: Arne had no regrets, and he was very successful. It

1525
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 1: was very talented, talented, good guy. And you ever get

1526
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:46,919
Speaker 1: any royalty checks? I got one yesterday from Universal Pictures

1527
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 1: or something like that, and said, I made forty three bucks.

1528
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 1: That's better. You know. I know people get him in

1529
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: the sense, but well I have I keep all those

1530
01:47:57,080 --> 01:48:00,240
Speaker 1: those cracked me up but down. So I was looking

1531
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 1: for the check, and then you have to read a

1532
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 1: few more pages. And then in this color, this bright

1533
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 1: pink highlighted, it says we do not write checks for

1534
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 1: under fifty bucks back the way till I'll make seven

1535
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:22,200
Speaker 1: more dollars. And I got one from Kate ll Um

1536
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 1: that wasn't and it was this thing which I'm showing

1537
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:33,720
Speaker 1: folks podcasts that psychobout an inch thick, you think, and

1538
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 1: from all over the world, and it was like thirty

1539
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:42,680
Speaker 1: eight dollars, I think. So I gave it to my

1540
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 1: daughter's dog, who loves paper, and I have a picture

1541
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:50,440
Speaker 1: of him just chewing this thing. It's all in shreds

1542
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,840
Speaker 1: and he's looking at the camera in his paper in

1543
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 1: his mouth and you can read part of it. Made

1544
01:48:56,040 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 1: sure it's his royalty state. And I said, obviously he

1545
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 1: wasn't happy with the with the check. There, Um, there

1546
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 1: is a there are a few people that are good.

1547
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:11,599
Speaker 1: Sound exchange is really good. They've done a really, really

1548
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 1: good job. They called me up a couple of years

1549
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:16,720
Speaker 1: ago and I wanted to know they hadn't been able

1550
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 1: to give Jan his money. And there was a check

1551
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:25,360
Speaker 1: like fifty or sixty grand that they had for him

1552
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:28,680
Speaker 1: that was a couple of years worth of stuff. But

1553
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 1: I know where where do we send it? So I

1554
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 1: called Jan's widow on the East coast, found her and

1555
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 1: said there's a nice check waiting for you or should

1556
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:44,720
Speaker 1: I send it? And she was thrilled, absolutely thrilled. So

1557
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 1: there are some people that trit you still pretty well.

1558
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 1: And do you find it's only people from our generation,

1559
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, Jan and Dean. Where do the younger people

1560
01:49:55,000 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 1: know the name or the songs? Are both? You just yeah,

1561
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:06,479
Speaker 1: it's a whole gamut. It's We flew to um Italy

1562
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:11,639
Speaker 1: last August, and for three months I was wondering why

1563
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 1: in the world I agreed to do that. And although

1564
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 1: it intrigued me to go to Europe, I just never

1565
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:24,720
Speaker 1: played Europe before and didn't think, you know, like you're

1566
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 1: just saying, I mean, I don't remember getting I get

1567
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 1: a lot of mail from uk Um. We played in

1568
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:35,639
Speaker 1: China of all places in the eighties, and I get

1569
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 1: still get mail from China, but I never got anything

1570
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:42,559
Speaker 1: from Italy. And I'm going so we're gonna fly twenty

1571
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:47,720
Speaker 1: five hours over four hour drive from Rome to Sngalia.

1572
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 1: Then this beach party. But it was a music festival,

1573
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:56,639
Speaker 1: thinking well, it's free, okay, so people will wander by

1574
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:59,360
Speaker 1: the kind of go oh yeah, you know it might

1575
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 1: of the band's good, you know, so the music will

1576
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 1: be will be presented very nicely, but at least as

1577
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,880
Speaker 1: a festival, and there's synergy going on. There's multiple stages,

1578
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:15,599
Speaker 1: and it's been going on for ten or fifteen years,

1579
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 1: and it was a big tourist thing from people in

1580
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,200
Speaker 1: at least in Italy. The guy had a good track

1581
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 1: record and his stuff looked professionals. Okay, remember getting on

1582
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 1: that flight going oh my god, Okay, well I gotta

1583
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 1: do it. I just gotta do it, just hope it'll work.

1584
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 1: Got there, It wasn't a flight, wasn't that bad. Then

1585
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 1: picked us up. It's dark and getting a van, all

1586
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 1: the guys and this guy's speaking Italian. You know, he

1587
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 1: doesn't speak any English, so we don't know what they

1588
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 1: all you said, but you must be taking us to

1589
01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 1: the hotel. We tried for four hours and a couple

1590
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 1: of times he turns around in the dark and they

1591
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 1: went on these little streets and I'm going like, now,

1592
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 1: my band members are all, you know, on their phone,

1593
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 1: and look, they know where we're going, and they keep

1594
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,640
Speaker 1: telling they keep telling you guy, hey, hey, you know

1595
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:22,680
Speaker 1: it's back. You missed there, and he doesn't speak Oh

1596
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:25,600
Speaker 1: my god, and I'm going I knew I should have

1597
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:29,080
Speaker 1: done this. I just knew. I'm calling the wife. I'm

1598
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 1: telling her in Huntington Beach. I'm saying, we're driving around

1599
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 1: in Italy. It's dark. This guy doesn't speak any English,

1600
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:40,640
Speaker 1: and he keeps backing up and making you turns, and

1601
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:42,640
Speaker 1: he goes, why did I do this? I knew I

1602
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done this. We finally get to a hotel.

1603
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't nice, and then that was okay, and the

1604
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 1: air con worked. Okay, that's fine. And then next day

1605
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,799
Speaker 1: we had off and they took us through this festival

1606
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:58,880
Speaker 1: been going on for a couple of days. It was

1607
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 1: done so well us when I got this shirt from

1608
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 1: this is uh cracking cracking room. We played on their

1609
01:53:06,439 --> 01:53:13,759
Speaker 1: stage and stage was done nice, holographic design. Stuff was great,

1610
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 1: and it was very organized and there were people all

1611
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:21,680
Speaker 1: sorts of ages dancing to the music. Oh this this

1612
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:25,280
Speaker 1: is great. So I said, okay, can we see our stage?

1613
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 1: And the guy was just producing the whole thing, said, well,

1614
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:34,400
Speaker 1: your stages is down at the beach. This was in

1615
01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:37,560
Speaker 1: the middle of town, you know, I mean it's separated

1616
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:40,559
Speaker 1: from all this. Yeah, it's it's about quarter mile down,

1617
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:44,200
Speaker 1: but it's actually on the sand, and we put up

1618
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: a nice big stage and just you guys were Now

1619
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 1: we're not in the you know, and again in that

1620
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:55,519
Speaker 1: synergy going on, I'm going, I guess anybody gonna walk

1621
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 1: down there? And I like that, Damn, this is going

1622
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:01,800
Speaker 1: to be a staff. So I told him I was.

1623
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:05,160
Speaker 1: And then he said, oh, and years is not a

1624
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 1: free stage. It costs money. It's a hard ticket. I said, oh,

1625
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:13,679
Speaker 1: this is a stiff. So I finally had the nerve

1626
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 1: to tell him I was very uncomfortable with that. I

1627
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,759
Speaker 1: didn't think it would work. He said, no, we already

1628
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:25,679
Speaker 1: saw twelve thousand pre st tickets and they'll be He'll

1629
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 1: walk up to and it was like fifteen and sixteen

1630
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 1: thousand people on this and they eat. You know, it's

1631
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 1: six or seven, right, So we didn't even go on

1632
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 1: till nine. And it's a it was a ninety minute show.

1633
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 1: And there was groupies. Now that's why you asked. They

1634
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 1: were actually thirty year olds standing just around where the

1635
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: backstage here. He was, you know what, you want to

1636
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:53,080
Speaker 1: take selfies and stuff? And I went, oh my god,

1637
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, they were the sixty year olds and there

1638
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 1: was the thirty year olds. I don't know how they

1639
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,760
Speaker 1: knew music, but they seemed in order, really really well,

1640
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 1: and I just I'm glad I did it. And within

1641
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 1: hours though, you're back at the hotel's after midnight and

1642
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 1: you're checking out and you're doing that four hour drive

1643
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:18,960
Speaker 1: back to Rome to catch a seven am flight to

1644
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 1: Copenhagen and then Companhagen to l A. But just still okay,

1645
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, well, that's what being a rock star, you

1646
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 1: see what I mean? Right in? In addition, though, it

1647
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 1: shows that people still remember, still care. I certainly remember

1648
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:39,200
Speaker 1: and care. This has been wonderful, actually the longest podcast

1649
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:42,360
Speaker 1: ever because we're getting your story. You really got in

1650
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:44,400
Speaker 1: the groove. I really have to thank you. Yes, my

1651
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 1: guest here has been deemed Torrence Dean of jan and Deep.

1652
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Deep. I'm just happy anybody cares about

1653
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:54,800
Speaker 1: I really care, and I know my audience will care.

1654
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:57,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I won't even recount all the great stories

1655
01:55:57,480 --> 01:56:00,120
Speaker 1: you told because people have listened to this point and

1656
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:02,960
Speaker 1: know them. No, I couldn't shut you down. You were

1657
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 1: telling all those great stories which no one ever knew, like, uh,

1658
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:08,600
Speaker 1: you know they were playing in Ormosa Beach with the

1659
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:13,240
Speaker 1: Beach Boys. Story of sir City Lou Adler. I mean,

1660
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:15,320
Speaker 1: I read your book, but there's even stuff here that

1661
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 1: wasn't in your book. I just again, you know, you

1662
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:22,240
Speaker 1: write something you don't know. Is this interesting or not?

1663
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:25,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. You've always been super good to us,

1664
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:29,480
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate it, so, uh, knowing that that

1665
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 1: you have this following, I just that's why I'm here.

1666
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,800
Speaker 1: I don't do this. I think this is the first

1667
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:39,560
Speaker 1: podcast I've ever done. I think it's definitive. I think

1668
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:41,600
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of history here. That's one of

1669
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:43,360
Speaker 1: the reasons I didn't want to jump ahead. You know,

1670
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 1: it's like someone's got to get it down just one

1671
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 1: step further. What about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

1672
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:56,560
Speaker 1: You care no good? No I could, I could careless. Um,

1673
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's all subjective, but it really like

1674
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:08,840
Speaker 1: any other Hall of fame, though, is is numbers metrics.

1675
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:13,560
Speaker 1: It's pretty easy to figure out, and we've had more

1676
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:17,240
Speaker 1: hits than two thirds of those other people that are

1677
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:20,080
Speaker 1: in there. And then they want to talk about if

1678
01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:24,120
Speaker 1: they want to talk about being pioneers and something, well

1679
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 1: we just talked about that, right, how many other people

1680
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:29,280
Speaker 1: cut to two or three top ten records in a

1681
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 1: garage way before anybody else was doing it, you know,

1682
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:37,000
Speaker 1: as teenagers. That's the part I'm I'm the most proud of.

1683
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:40,920
Speaker 1: It's young people figured out how to do it and

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01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 1: did it with just some little, easy, little technology that

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01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:48,840
Speaker 1: that well, that's what's so great about it that all right,

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01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 1: the business was being developed, like the Internet twenty odd

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01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:56,160
Speaker 1: years ago. Just exciting seeing what's going on now it's mature,

1688
01:57:56,720 --> 01:57:59,320
Speaker 1: not quite the same thing. But we were all in

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01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:02,440
Speaker 1: fatuous did with music. We were all playing music, and

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01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 1: you were certainly a pioneer. And as I say, I

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01:58:06,040 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 1: played command performance all the way through about two weeks ago.

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01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:14,120
Speaker 1: It sounded so great. And of course I always love

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01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:17,640
Speaker 1: sidewalk surfing, which is a you know, a reworking of

1694
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 1: Bryant's Catch a Wave, and uh, I knew your version first.

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01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:25,240
Speaker 1: I was stunned when I heard catch Awave. Well, I was,

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01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, when I go back and hear some stuff,

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01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:31,400
Speaker 1: just to hear the excitement of the live show, because

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01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't really have that many people following

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01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 1: us around and recording stuff, so it was very limited

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01:58:38,840 --> 01:58:41,600
Speaker 1: in film wise. You know, some of the stuff I

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01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:46,960
Speaker 1: see on YouTube of the beach Boys working on Good Vibrations,

1702
01:58:47,160 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 1: and some of that film is really really we didn't

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01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:53,040
Speaker 1: have any of that. We just didn't think of it.

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01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:55,600
Speaker 1: You know, that was going to be later. We'll get

1705
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 1: to that later. It's okay, we don't have time to

1706
01:58:58,160 --> 01:59:02,800
Speaker 1: think about cameras and playing around and capturing that stuff.

1707
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 1: So it's all in my head, which I think we've

1708
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:11,040
Speaker 1: got a lot of it down on. It's good to

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01:59:11,120 --> 01:59:15,120
Speaker 1: hear it on something like Command Performance and they go, yeah,

1710
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:19,400
Speaker 1: I was right in the middle of that, all that excitement.

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01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:22,560
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you glad you enjoyed it. Absolutely. As

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01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 1: I say, A huge fan in terms of albums other

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01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:31,400
Speaker 1: than cartoon characters, Yours was the first album I bought,

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01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:34,160
Speaker 1: I think, and I still I still have the copy.

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01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:38,360
Speaker 1: I have basking tape on the corners holding the cover together.

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01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm not no, thanks so much. Hey, it's absolutely my pleasure,

1717
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:47,200
Speaker 1: and again thanks for your support. I listen. I'm a

1718
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:51,720
Speaker 1: huge fan. Believe it at that. Until next time, It's

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Speaker 1: the Bob Left Sets podcast.