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Speaker 2: Set back to Bey and Zorn, who's back to pass

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Speaker 2: as time looks for the left sideline, throws a bomb

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Speaker 3: He makes the grab a travel. It's a thirty down

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Speaker 1: Seahawks powered by Seahawks dot Com and.

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Speaker 2: Zorn later in perfectly a Rabel who goes in to

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Speaker 2: score on an eighty yard pass and run play.

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Speaker 1: Now, here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve

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Speaker 1: Raeball and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, let me tell you it was a perfect pass,

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Speaker 2: because that's the only way I would have caught it

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Speaker 2: had it been a perfect throw from z Man. This

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Speaker 2: is a real treat that Jim and I are going

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Speaker 2: to be able to do this now on a semi

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Speaker 2: regular basis, and that is this podcast talking about kind

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Speaker 2: of Seahawks legends and about the old days and heaven knows, Jim,

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Speaker 2: where we're definitely of age where everything now was the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were asked even a remind everyone on who

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Speaker 3: we are. So it has been a while. I haven't

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Speaker 3: heard Pete Gross's voice in so long, and he just

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Speaker 3: did a great job. He got excited, and I think

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Speaker 3: But describe your relationship with him a bit, oh.

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Speaker 2: My, Well, you know, he was my mentor in this field.

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Speaker 2: I remember when we played and Pete would come in

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Speaker 2: years later about Pete. He said, Pete was the only

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Speaker 2: guy who would walk up to him either after practice

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Speaker 2: Every single time? And that's the way Pete did it.

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Speaker 2: And so I hope maybe we all learned a little

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Speaker 3: He was a tremendous human being, a tremendous person, and

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Speaker 2: Well, and his enthusiasm obviously has carried over to me

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Speaker 2: as I listened to that play, and listen, when you

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Speaker 2: and so I really remember that one.

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Speaker 3: So do you remember what game that was? That was

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Speaker 3: Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 2: Our rookie season nineteen seventy six, back in Minneapolis at

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Speaker 2: for more than just today. We hope to make this

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Speaker 2: We we tend to forget that Minnesota Viking team we

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Speaker 2: Fran Tarkington Hall of Famer, the Purple People leaders that

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Speaker 3: And that was his nickname, bench Warmer Bob exactly.

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Speaker 3: I got I got released in eighty five eighty.

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Speaker 3: I finished that year in Green Bay in nineteen eighty five,

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Speaker 3: Faith, I'll never forget. Between the first and second practice,

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Speaker 2: but sprint draw. Yes was important. Be about just recently,

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Speaker 3: Perfect short snapper. I held. Yeah, all my career, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was on the call. He was on

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Speaker 2: The draft is behind the Super Bowl for Kranella. So

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Speaker 2: He came back and his roommate left him a note. Oh,

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Speaker 2: You might want to give him a call back. Oh okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You were a second round draft choice.

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Speaker 2: I was a bone. I always like to say this

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Speaker 3: About okay, let's talk about Sherman. He was at a

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Speaker 3: You're such a bonus guy. You were at Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 3: But as I remember you telling me, and this is

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Speaker 2: Tight end for the last two years in the wishbone.

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Speaker 3: In the wishbone, and you were drafted as a wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: You know. I sometimes I beat up on myself for

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Speaker 2: But then I also think, you know what, I didn't

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Speaker 3: You used your speed, You used your speed really well,

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Speaker 2: You you probably remember it. But everybody says, well, you

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Speaker 3: But Steve Largent we should probably at some point tell

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Speaker 2: Yes, we'll talk Yoda stories too, because we had a

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Speaker 2: Steve came as Princess Leah. But the Yoda mask that

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Speaker 2: and then they pulled him back right away. You could

438
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 2: do that then pull him back and the Seahawks offered,

439
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: what would we offer a seventh or a twelfth?

440
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 3: I think he's better than that. He was a fourth

441
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: round pick and I think we got him for a

442
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 3: fifth round.

443
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: Is that what it was? Well, Jerry coached him at Tulsa,

444
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 2: so Jerry knew that this guy was the real deal.

445
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 3: And he kept saying, Jim, You're just you're going to

446
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 3: really like this guy. Wait until you wait until he

447
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 3: shows up. I mean he was almost like, wait, a minute. Uh,

448
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 3: you coach for the Seahawks. You're not in Tulsa anymore.

449
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: This is but he loved Steve right.

450
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: Well, and what's not to love. I mean, I think

451
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: he led the nation in touchdown receptions or something his

452
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 2: senior year. I mean, some incredible thing. This short.

453
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 3: You remember Tulsa. Do you remember him coming to practice?

454
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 2: I was just going to tell that story. Yeah, tell

455
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: the very first practice he gets there. Maybe there may

456
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: be more to the story than what I remember, but

457
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 2: I remember it was like after practice.

458
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: No, it was it was during practice and he comes down.

459
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 3: We're in We're in the middle of team drill.

460
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: Was he on the porch up there?

461
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: And he was on the porch and he comes down

462
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: and Jack or Jerry said, is take a couple of laps.

463
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 3: Is you're going to go in? You know you're going

464
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 3: to go in? Really, this is right in the middle

465
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 3: of practice.

466
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 2: Well, I remember when he first got there, before he

467
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: even came to the field, and I think Gary Wright

468
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 2: was standing next to him, or Don Anderson or somebody,

469
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: and there.

470
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 3: Might have been the day before they.

471
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: Were they were on the porch and it was practice

472
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: had basically ended, and so the receivers. We were just

473
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: out there throwing the ball around with you guys, and

474
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: so you had me run. Let's see, A three was

475
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: a three? A slant quick slant?

476
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 3: That was three? No, No, A quick slant was two.

477
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: Okay, waiting. Two was a quick out, okay. One was

478
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 2: a hitch three okay. Yeah.

479
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 3: You know, I don't.

480
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 2: Remember much of today, but I remember that anyway. You said.

481
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: You just pointed, said three. Okay. So I'm thinking about

482
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 2: running this great route, you know, and trying to make

483
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: a little move at the back end of it, and

484
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: turned and then really exploding out of my as soon

485
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: as I came out of the break, the ball was

486
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: already there. It went off my hands, off my helmet,

487
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: straight up in the air. Yoda is standing on the

488
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 2: porch watching all this, and he turned to somebody and said, oh,

489
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: I know I can play here.

490
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: I know that is that is a That's the first

491
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: time I've heard this.

492
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: And I tell it and Steve laughs and he he

493
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 2: sometimes he sort of says, yeah, that sort of happened,

494
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: or denies it. But I firmly believed that that's the case.

495
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: And I also know that he was absolutely right, because

496
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: he sure could and he sure did well.

497
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 3: He was doing some contract stuff and that's why he

498
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 3: came out in the middle of that next day. Oh,

499
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: next practice. So he comes in and we're do you

500
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 3: remember the play seventy six? Yes, absolutely, and it was yep,

501
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: you're exactly right. So he show everyone that you run

502
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 3: corner routes versus cover two versus a rolled corner, and

503
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: a deep outside safety. But if it was three deep,

504
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: you run a curl route. Okay, that's seventy six. And

505
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: he said, I want you to call seventy six. And

506
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: he said, Jerry, this is Steve's first play. You're going

507
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 3: to have him read the coverage while he's running his

508
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: Just call the play, please, just call the play. So

509
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: I called seventy six, and sure enough, they go too deep.

510
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 3: Steve runs a burst corner. I throw it to him.

511
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: I hate him right score in the hands. He drops

512
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: the ball. I kid you, not first pass, I throw

513
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: it to Steve.

514
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: I didn't remember that.

515
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 3: Maybe a couple plays later in practice, he's running seventy

516
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: one or whatever, you know, a slants and a little

517
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: arrow route by the tied end. He drops the ball

518
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 3: again and I look over at Jerry, and Jerry looks

519
00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 3: at me and says, don't you worry about him? And

520
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: then he, as Steve tells it, he came up to

521
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: Steve and said, don't even you know, don't sweat it. Basically,

522
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: you're gonna You're gonna be fine. And you know, he

523
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: didn't drop many balls, but he dropped those two balls

524
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 3: in that first practice that we practiced. But he did

525
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 3: run the right route and he did get open right.

526
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: Well. It was the same system that he ran a Tulsa,

527
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: so he knew it, you know, as we said, Jerry

528
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: coached it. And so the rest is history, and he

529
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: goes on to be goes on to be a Hall

530
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: of Famer.

531
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: Steve, I've always wanted to know. I don't really remember

532
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: what how all this happened, but you ran a out

533
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: I think it was seventy two. I threw you the

534
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: ball and for some reason you got tangled up with

535
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 3: the yard markers or something. Oh yeah, But as I

536
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: remember you, also, you had a punctured lung. Yeah, a

537
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: collapsed lung on that was it that play. Yeah, So

538
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: how I don't get how a how a yard mark

539
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 3: can can collapse your slung short.

540
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: Of taking it and impaling you on it, which hals

541
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: but happily did not happen. Uh, well, we were playing

542
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: was it the was it the Cardinals or the Raiders somebody?

543
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: It was a preseason game. It was my it was

544
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: my last year. It was eighty one or eighty one

545
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 2: season in preseason. And yeah, just a simple out route

546
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: and so I caught the ball and I don't remember

547
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: that the one the I do remember, I got blasted

548
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: in the back as soon as I caught it. And

549
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 2: I heard later on from doctors that that in and

550
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: of itself could have done it. It's if there's a

551
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: little weak spot on your lung that with a concussion

552
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: like that, and the you know the that you get

553
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: from a shot like.

554
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: Because you're probably trying to keep your feet in bound

555
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: and whatever.

556
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: Focus and then you're getting hitches back with a helmet. It's, oh,

557
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: you gotta love it. And and so I get then

558
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: I get knocked out of bound. So you know, we've

559
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: all been hit. If you play this game, you've been

560
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: hit like that thousand times. So I didn't think anything

561
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: of it. I get knocked out of bounds. Well, the

562
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: guy holding the marker instead of dropping it, which was

563
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 2: the rule. You dropped it because they're padded and you

564
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: can roll over it. He kind of put his leg

565
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 2: behind it and stood there. And so now I roll

566
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: into the down and down marker and I kind of,

567
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 2: you know, ended up in sort of a U shape

568
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: against my back and I just you know, it hurt

569
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: for a second, but I popped up. I went back

570
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: in the game you called. The next play you called

571
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: was me clearing out. So I had to just you know,

572
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: haul butt downfield to clear out. It probably Yoda coming

573
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: on a crossing route or a tight end, you know,

574
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: coming out to the flat or something. So I had

575
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: to get out of there and take my guy with me.

576
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: So I get all the way, I'm you know, running,

577
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: I ran fifty yards downfield or something. By the time

578
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: I got down there, I'm thinking, holy smokes, am I

579
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: out of shape or what. I'm having a tough time

580
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: catching my breath and I come off to the sidelines.

581
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 2: I think I played two more plays. I finally come

582
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: off the field and I said to Jimmy Whitzel, our

583
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: assistant trainer. I said, Whites, I can't get my breath.

584
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: That's the first thing. He said, Well, you're out of shape.

585
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: I said, no, I'm not. I said, I've been working

586
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: my tail off. I'm in great shape. But I said

587
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: I can't breathe, and he said, well, tell me, what's

588
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: what's up. I said, it feels like I'm getting stabbed

589
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: in my back. I said, it feels like I've been,

590
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: you know, stabbed with a sword or something. And I

591
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: can't breathe. And he looks at me and he says, well,

592
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: that sounds like a collapse lung. You don't have a

593
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: collapse lung. And it gets worse and worse, and he says, oh,

594
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: come on, let's run you into the locker room real fast.

595
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: And they ran me back there and sure enough, collapse

596
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: lung and it's going down. And now my chest cavity

597
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: is starting to get blood in it from where the

598
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: collapse is. So they put me in the ambulance to

599
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: take me up to the hospital, up to Swedish and Justice.

600
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: We're getting ready, sorry, I laughed. Just as we're getting

601
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: ready to leave, one of the trainers comes running down

602
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: the tunnel waving his arm at the ambulance and said,

603
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: don't leave yet, and they wheel Joe Norman into the van.

604
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: He just tore his knee up and he missed that

605
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: whole season with a torn up knee, had knee surgery.

606
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: So here we are. I can't breathe, my lung, my

607
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: chest cavity is starting to get blood in it. He's

608
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 2: sitting there with a torn up knee. He knows he's

609
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: gonna have knee surgery. We're on our way to the hospital. Meantime,

610
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: the the somebody from the Seahawks went up into the

611
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: stands and found Sharon and she was with her stepdad,

612
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: and he said, listen, Steve's on his way to the hospital.

613
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: We're not sure what it is, but I just wanted

614
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: to tell you. So they took off. They left. Remember

615
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: the wives and girlfriends sat, Yeah, you know, just under

616
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: the scoreboard. They were so far.

617
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: We just pat so high, right, and we we parked

618
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: where everybody else with the fans today. That's I'm doing. Well,

619
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: that's right.

620
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: We come walking in on Sunday with the fans. You know,

621
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: that's that's terrific. You know, you park your little VW

622
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: bug and samaring.

623
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: Can you get the car?

624
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So Sharon and Larry, her stepdad, go

625
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: up to the hospital and they ask people along the way, Hey,

626
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: did a couple of seahawks come in here. You know,

627
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: we still had our gear on, you know, And so

628
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: they said, yeah, they I think they went that way,

629
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: and so they directed them up to the floor. She

630
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: gets off the elevator, she's walking down the hall just

631
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: about the time that the team doctor is injecting between

632
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: my ribs with painkiller so they could set a chest

633
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: tube to start a draining the blood out. This sounds awful,

634
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: but be it also takes the air out of the

635
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: out of your lung cavity so your lung can heal

636
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: naturally and start to reinflate. Just about that time and

637
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: she hears me just go bananas yell and you know,

638
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: and basically I scream and she thought, oh, this is

639
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: not going to be good. But anyway, NAS producers sitting

640
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: over here laughing, But anyway, and that's the way it was.

641
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 2: I was in that place for over a week. They

642
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: set three different chest tubes to try to get that

643
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: thing to reinflate.

644
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: Steve, did I come and see you?

645
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: Noah, did you? I don't think you did. I don't

646
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: think you could in training cap, Yeah it couldn't.

647
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: And what was really interesting you telling you telling me

648
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: this story? I didn't even think you got hit. I

649
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: thought you were kind of you know a week what's

650
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: this guy? He hits a he hits a yard marker

651
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: and collapses lung. And I remember looking. I was so

652
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: mad at the officials. I remember seeing the yard marker

653
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: just bent. That's what I was mad at. I didn't

654
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: know you got hit by somebody else, you know, I thought, oh, raves,

655
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: come on, it's not just you know how much people.

656
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: Get whacked, right, how much dumb luck can a person have?

657
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: In one plas that I shot that you take to

658
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: the back and then the guy holding the sticks and

659
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: you end up in the hospital for a week. And

660
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: so I went on IR and missed the first six

661
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: games and one I remember the very week we came back,

662
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: played the Giants and got beat thirty to nothing. What

663
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: a welcome home. And Jack had his practicing Monday full gear.

664
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: The next day we practiced and ran about a thousand

665
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: gassers because he thought we weren't in shape.

666
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: But we played the Denver Broncos one year and you

667
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: talk about a collapse long. I didn't have a collapse lung,

668
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: but I got hit. I I ran to my right

669
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: and I got hit by a linebacker and fell on

670
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: the ball and it actually tore my, uh the cartilage

671
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: of my rib cage, and I thought it tore the

672
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: front of it. So I get carried. I can't play

673
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: the next place, so uh, I think, I think. I

674
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: think Sam came in at first. So I'm in the

675
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: locker room and it's the first quarter. So in the

676
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: second quarter, I'm in there and Walt Kringle, remember doctor Kringle,

677
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: And I think Jimmy U Whitzel was in there. And

678
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 3: Walt says, Okay, you you have some cartilage damage. I'm

679
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 3: going to shoot some xylocane on your ribcage. You can't

680
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: flinch when I shoot this thing because if I hit

681
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: your lung, it'll it'll paralyze your lung and we'll have

682
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: other problems. I said, okay. So he takes the needle

683
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: and I I'm just just because I want to get

684
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 3: back on the field because he's gonna numb it, because

685
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: it's not going to get any worse. He said, okay,

686
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: so and this so he shoots me and it doesn't

687
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: it doesn't work.

688
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: We're turning off a phone. By the way, we're of

689
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: the generation that forgets to turn our phones off.

690
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Steve, welcome for that announcement. Well,

691
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: he he shoots me twice. Well, I now you know,

692
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: and it's the wrong place because it's still I can't breathe.

693
00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: I can't breathe. So after the second shot, I faint.

694
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 2: I didn't know that because I was out on the field.

695
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 3: I think, because you know, I mean, it's painful or

696
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: whatever me. So I faint, And as Jimmy Whitesell would

697
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: tell the story, Walt Kringle faints because he thinks he

698
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: hit my lungs. So here's Jimmy Whiteell and he's got

699
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: two guys laid out on these on these benches right,

700
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: and he thinks, oh my gosh, what am I going

701
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: to do now? So I finally revive, and Walt revives.

702
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: He had to shoot me two more times. And the

703
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: cartilage that was making helping me, not or aiding and

704
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 3: not allowing me to breathe was in my back. So

705
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: he shoots me two more times and I don't feel

706
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: any pain at all. So at halftime, everybody comes in.

707
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: I went out and I played the whole second half

708
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 3: of that football game. I can't remember whether we want

709
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: or loss to be honest with you. But the next

710
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: week I could hardly sure, I could hardly breathe, you know,

711
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: because once that numbing, they're not going to numb me again.

712
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: We think about how hard those lungs had to work

713
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: at altitude no less.

714
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: So no, this was in the Kingdome.

715
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: Oh oh, I'm sorry I thought this.

716
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this was in the Kingdome. Well anyway, man,

717
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: we all pulled. We all pulled through.

718
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: Here we all are even after all this. Now a

719
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: lot of our guys, Sam we mentioned Sam Adkins. I

720
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: mean he's had now knees and hips and I think

721
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 2: every have you had.

722
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: I have an ankle replacement in my left ankle because

723
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 3: of a game that got my ankle twisted completely around

724
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: almost against the Raiders. Yeah. So I've been battling arthritis

725
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: and kind of weird, uh, you know, different things going

726
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: on with my ankle for all these years. I even

727
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: played on it the following the following year, But year

728
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: after year I've needed to get something done. Sure with

729
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: bone spurs.

730
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, I gets the same thing on my upper spine,

731
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: you know, from taking shots in the head and using

732
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: your head, which is again another great reason for the

733
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: league kind of saying, you know, no more, get your

734
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: head out of the game. And that's one of the

735
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: best things that along with the great helmets that they

736
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: have today. Let's broaden it out a little, Jim. We

737
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: could sit here and talk about between injuries and plays

738
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, but of our time in those

739
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: early years of the Seahawks, what do you remember about

740
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 2: the first couple of years about being here in the city,

741
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: about what we kind of meant to this community coming

742
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: in and what it meant to you to be a

743
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: part of the Seahawks in the very first team in

744
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six. Two years from now, we're going to

745
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: celebrate fifty years, my friend, if you and I knockohot

746
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: Wood are still with us.

747
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: You know, when I first came, I I wanted to

748
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: make sure it was an NFL team, right because it

749
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 3: was expansion and it was Sandy Gregory and Gary Wright

750
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: who were the first people you really meet for pictures

751
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: and talking about what you know, talking about the other

752
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: things that go on that they're trying to develop and

753
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 3: things like that. I was I was Seahawk before Jack

754
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: Ptera was a Seahawk.

755
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: That's right. You're a free agent out of the Dallas.

756
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 3: Yes, and so coming to training camp for the first time,

757
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: I was I had it in my mind. I wanted

758
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: to be the starter. And so in these first in

759
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: these first games, these first couple of years, I think

760
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: Jerry saw that we were going to have to do

761
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: something a little bit different than other teams as an

762
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: expansion team, kind of the history of expansion teams. And

763
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: Howard was tremendous, Andy McDonald, all these guys really worked

764
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: to try to help us. We had fake field goals,

765
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: we had surprise on side kicks, we had a couple

766
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 3: of fake punts, and Jack knew he had to call

767
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: these things to give us a better chance. So I

768
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: think the memories that fit in my mind were the

769
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 3: confidence that I think we had early in our tenure

770
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 3: because of you know, a tight knit group. We were

771
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: the first guinea pigs, if you will, for the expansion

772
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: team in Seattle. But I'll never forget the fans and

773
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 3: what it meant to the fans to have a team

774
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: in Seattle. You know, we were two and fourteen our

775
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 3: first season.

776
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: We were two and twelve, I mean.

777
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: Two and twelve, I'm sorry. We had fourteen games. We

778
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: had six preseason games, we were two and twelve and

779
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: you would have thought we'd nearly made the playoffs. That's

780
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: the fan base I think continues today. You know, we

781
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 3: can say, well they backed off here and there, they

782
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: have not backed off at all about supporting the Seahawks

783
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 3: football team. And I was amazed because I went to

784
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 3: cal Poly Pomona, where we had the band and our parents,

785
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: and to have to have people just so rabid, if

786
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: you will, about the Seahawks and what they meant to

787
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: the city, to the state, and to see other NFL teams.

788
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: We rarely had other NFL teams coming out here in support.

789
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: When you got in the Kingdom, it was all Seahawks fans.

790
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 3: I think.

791
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember after the draft, we had a rookie orientation,

792
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 2: like the week after the draft or two weeks after

793
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 2: the draft. So they had had the veteran allocation group.

794
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 2: Maybe you were in that one.

795
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: That was out here for one because I was a

796
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: free agent.

797
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So then the rookies and free agents came in

798
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: on a weekend and I'll never forget this. We're I

799
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: think I'm in a cab or maybe one of the

800
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: drivers picked me up from the Seahawks. One of the

801
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: ball Boys or something. But we come the back way

802
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: down Highway ninety nine going north and we kind of

803
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: come over that rise where the city suddenly is there,

804
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: and I just thought, what a beautiful place. I'd never

805
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: been west of the Mississippi, so I you know, from

806
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: back in the South, and so to see this gem

807
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: of a city and right on Elliott Bay and then

808
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: there in the foreground as you start to get a

809
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: little closer, is this mushroom that is the Kingdome. And

810
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 2: I thought, what a beautiful place. I hope I can,

811
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: you know, hang on for a couple of weeks, because

812
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: I had no idea. You know, at that time, even

813
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: though you're a bonus pick in the second round, you know,

814
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: there was nothing guaranteed with an expansion team. So I

815
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: thought that that was really amazing. And then I remember

816
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: us being out in the dome running those two days

817
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: on that weekend. Then we went I think we went

818
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: out to Blake Island for a salmon feed or something

819
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: on boats, and you really got a sense for what

820
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: the Northwest was like, and I thought, this is really great.

821
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 2: And then then the other thing when you mentioned fans

822
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: that I remember is what you talked about earlier, and

823
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: that is we would park. We just pull into the

824
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: parking lot there just to the south of the dome,

825
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: and we'd pull in right next to where the fans

826
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: were literally with them, and so we'd get out of

827
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: our cars and we'd all walk up to the Hey,

828
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: I hope you guys have a great game. Well, thanks,

829
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: cheer loud. We hope to play well. And we walk

830
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: in the gate there and just go in and play

831
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: our game. Then you come out and there are all

832
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: the fans there and you just kind of walk with

833
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: everybody out to the car. And in some cases there

834
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: were folks out there who had been tailgating, might have

835
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: an extra beverage still in the cooler, and thank you, Sam,

836
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 2: and I would not turn that down. But those kinds

837
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: of memories of really being a part of building something

838
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: here in the community was something really special.

839
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And even though we did not know how, we

840
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: didn't have a history, we were creating our own traditions

841
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: walking in and out with the fans. I don't think

842
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: the fans knew what was really going on either. I

843
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: mean they were all new and everybody was trying to

844
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: get educated. And I think as the fans became more experienced,

845
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 3: they finally could say, ooh, I know what our expectations like,

846
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: and prices started going up right the expectations. You know,

847
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: the fan became an intelligent fan here in Seattle. They know.

848
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 3: And that's why there's those fan oriented statistics up in

849
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: the stadium today in Lumenfield, because the fans are totally

850
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: integrated with what the Seahawks are doing, and the Seahawks

851
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: have done a wonderful job of creating that for the fan,

852
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: and you know, many things go along with that.

853
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: I will tell everybody that I remember, not that the fans'

854
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: attitudes changed, but they suddenly got even more excited on

855
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: a Sunday morning when we'd all pull into the parking

856
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: lot together after Jim and Steve did their milk commercial,

857
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: the milk mustache. That commercial, and for those of you

858
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: that are you know, in your fifties, sixties, and a

859
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 2: whole lot of you great grandparents remember that commercial. They

860
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: actually sang and we were forever giving you guys a

861
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: hard time about that, but it was one of those

862
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: things that kind of cemented us in the community that

863
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: people thought, gosh, you guys are just you know, you're

864
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: really nice kids. You're just nice young men, and we're

865
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 2: glad that you're all here. And I think that's one

866
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: of the things that fans will remember to this day,

867
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: those drink glasses that we got from McDonald's that they

868
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: had all our pictures on. They had a set of

869
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: four of them, and to this day, I'll get a

870
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: shoe box sent to me. Well, I used to get

871
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: it at the station at Cairo when I worked there,

872
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 2: and it'd be a shoe box and it be filled

873
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: with paper and inside was one of those glasses, and

874
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: you and I and I think Sam were on one glass,

875
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: and Steve and Sherman and somebody else on another glass.

876
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: There were four of them and in a set and

877
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: somebody the note with the box would be dear Steve.

878
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,959
Speaker 2: We were cleaning out Aunt Gladys's garage. She passed away

879
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: last month at ninety three, and she had this glass

880
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 2: and we just thought you'd want it. So I'd walk,

881
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: I'd come home after work and tell Sharon we got Sharon,

882
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: we got another glass. We got to find another spot

883
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: for it. So now I have this huge set of

884
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: these glasses with all our pictures on them. And by

885
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: the way, we looked very good.

886
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: Very I can imagine people coming over at your house

887
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: for dinner and that's of eight to ten people around

888
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 3: the table, and they're all Steve Rabel.

889
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: Glass, White Wine, are red In, Steve in a, Steve Rabel,

890
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: Jim Zorn, Sam McCollum, Glass. Oh, just just so much

891
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: of that, So many of those those great, great times

892
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: with the fans. And then after two years when we

893
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: started to kind of build the franchise around you and

894
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: Steve and Smittye, and we started to get you know,

895
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: guys like Jacob coming in and some of those guys,

896
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: some of the younger guys on defense.

897
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: Dave Brown, Jeff Well, Dave Brown was there at the start,

898
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: very beginning, because we got him in the expansion draft.

899
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 3: But I remember Jeff Bryant, Yeah, yeah, And I even

900
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: remember were you there when Cortes came in?

901
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 2: Yes, no, not as a player. I was there obviously, okay,

902
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: but not as a player. But by seventy nine, all

903
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it sort of all came together and

904
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: here we go. You know, that's when they moved to

905
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: the sixteen game schedule, and here we go nine and

906
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: seven and surprised, I think just about everybody except us,

907
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: because we knew that we were a pretty good football team,

908
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: and we had had now a couple of years to

909
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: to figure this system out. And obviously you and Steve

910
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 2: were on the same page, and we had a defense

911
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: now that could go with it. And we had a

912
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: couple of years there that were really fun. I think

913
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: we missed the playoffs by a game or something in

914
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: seventy nine and beat some pretty good teams. We did,

915
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: and then I had this conversation with Nick. We were

916
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: talking about Nick Bebout. They decided to trade Nick to

917
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: Atlanta or someplace back east in like eighty seventy nine

918
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: or eighty, and that's when we kind of had a

919
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: little setback because they were trying to integrate some young

920
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: players on that offensive front, and a guy like Nick

921
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: Bebout is tough to replace. Was he the best tackle

922
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: that ever played? No, of course not. But was he

923
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: a leader up front? Did guys rally around him? Did

924
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: he know what to do every time? Absolutely? And you know,

925
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: nothing against the young guys and nothing against the guys

926
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: that drafted him, but he was one of those players

927
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,240
Speaker 2: that was I think that was one of those moves

928
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: that was made. And then we had some injuries too.

929
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: I think Sherman got hurt in nineteen eighty and everything

930
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: kind of went backwards.

931
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 3: I'll never forget Nick Beebout. We're in the huddle in Philadelphia.

932
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: Do you remember this? Yes? Do you ever tell this story?

933
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: I do? And I was in the huddle too.

934
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 3: I remember it where you know, it's a break, we're

935
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: in the huddle, and I remember they had a pretty

936
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: good team, but they had this crowd.

937
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: That was just crazy, you know, you.

938
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: Know, bottle throwing and orange throwing or whatever they were throwing.

939
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: But Nick, we're The reason that we mentioned Nick is

940
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: because we're in the huddle and there's a time out

941
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, he goes, ah, and what

942
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: is wrong with you? Nick? He settled down and he

943
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 3: goes hey, he said what and he looks down and

944
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: he had been shot with a pellet rifle or a

945
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 3: pellet gun, and he picks up the pellet. He goes,

946
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: somebody just shot me. And he had a welt on

947
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 3: the back of his leg or something like that, as

948
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 3: I remember. Do you remember it any different way?

949
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: No?

950
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: I remember exactly. Oh my gosh, what is going on

951
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 3: around here? And that was from a long way because

952
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: we were in the middle of the field. You know,

953
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: we were not It wasn't like we were in the

954
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: red zone or backed up or anything like that. We

955
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: were kind of in the middle of the field. And

956
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: he yells out and he had been shot with a pellet.

957
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: You can't make this stuff up. I mean, today, the

958
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: security to get into a stadium. I mean, you know,

959
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: you can't take your purse. I've tried. You can't take

960
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: your person. You have to take a plastic bag, right,

961
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: and it's got to be clear, and it's got to

962
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 2: be clear. In those days, there was nothing. Just people

963
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: rushed the gates. You had a ticket, you got in,

964
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: and somebody brought a pellet gun with him and shot

965
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: be bad and yeah, and I thought it was in

966
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 2: his butt, but the back of his legs somewhere, and

967
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: I remember him kind of yelling and jumping, and I

968
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 2: thought the same thing as yeah, are you all right?

969
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: What's wrong? You know, it was a clear day, so

970
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: he didn't get struck by lightning or anything, but yeah,

971
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: he got shot. Just some of the crazy things that

972
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: would happen either on the road. But all that being said,

973
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: we still found a way to win a lot of

974
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 2: those games, you know, we remember I mentioned a minute ago.

975
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: We got beat in eighty one by the Giants thirty

976
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: to nothing. That week that I returned from the injured

977
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: reserve list, and I think the next week we went

978
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: out and beat somebody because we were just so angry

979
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: at Jack that we went out. So we better win

980
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: this one because we can't go through this again.

981
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 3: Do you remember we played the Green Bay Packers in

982
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: Green Bay? Yeah?

983
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 2: If you remember rookie season seventy six in Milwaukee.

984
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: In Milwaukee, yes, okay, we're down twenty eight to nothing

985
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: in the first quarter.

986
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't remember that.

987
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 3: Okay, I tried to block that as well. But the

988
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 3: story that that, I don't know if you remember this.

989
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: They had a rule in the National Football League that

990
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: if the fans, and this is a fan related story,

991
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: if you were loud, the quarterback could step back from

992
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: the center sure and turn mister official and I had

993
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 3: to have my arms up, and I knew the mechanics

994
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 3: of it. The crowd would yell peep. The old line

995
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 3: could not hear the crowd, so there was no there

996
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: was no silent count. So I would step back, turn

997
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 3: to mister official and he he did one of two things.

998
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 3: He would either say, you know you're wrong, get back

999
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: underneath there. Your time's still running. He would point at me,

1000
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 3: or he would blow the whistle stop the game, and

1001
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: then the announcer at some point would say, would everybody

1002
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 3: please be quiet?

1003
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: Craziest rule well on the planet.

1004
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 3: Jack Petera and Howard Mud told me, don't you ever

1005
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: don't you snap the ball? Don't you snap the ball

1006
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: if if the crowd noise? So I had this. So

1007
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: I've got Jack and you know he can bring the

1008
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 3: fear of God towards you. And Howard was no joke either.

1009
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: Howard was really quick and he so I stepped back

1010
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: one time. We're losing, but I stepped back. It's in

1011
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 3: the middle of the game now, in the second half,

1012
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 3: and I turned to mister official with my hands up.

1013
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: He stops the and you know what that does. That

1014
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 3: incites the shower. So Blay got just really loud, and

1015
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 3: so I kid you not, And you're right. This rule

1016
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: was not going to be for very long because I

1017
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 3: stood there for twenty minutes. We stopped the game for

1018
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 3: twenty minutes. Oh and Howard's still mad about it, because

1019
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: after you know, after so long, the official probably three times,

1020
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 3: said would you please snap the ball? Can we get

1021
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 3: this thing going? You know, if you snap the ball,

1022
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: they'll quiet down. So he talked me into getting the

1023
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 3: ball snapped. So I went up there and said, you know,

1024
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 3: we're in the huddle, and I said, guys, I'm going

1025
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: to get it snapped the time regardless. And so we

1026
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: get up there, we snap, and you would have thought

1027
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: that I had done the worst thing I could have

1028
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: ever done in a football game. When I came off

1029
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: to the sideline, Howard was all.

1030
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: Or me, why did you?

1031
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 3: Why did you snap the ball? And what they were

1032
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: trying to do was prove the point that this rule

1033
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 3: was not going to work in the National Football League.

1034
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 3: But we had stopped the television game. Can you imagine

1035
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: that now, Steve, Oh my god, we had stopped the

1036
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: television game for twenty minutes with me just backing up.

1037
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: All I remembered about that game, the Packers game was

1038
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: donniedufect blocking a pot and I picked it up and

1039
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: ran for a touchdown. That's what I remember about. Give

1040
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: me some how about that mapp Yeah right place.

1041
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: I did not remember that.

1042
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you remembered stand and I don't remember the thing

1043
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: that lasted twenty minutes. But I do remember after I retired,

1044
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: we're playing the Raiders in the Kingdome and the quarterback

1045
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: for the Raiders was a kid that played at the

1046
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: University of Washington. I can't remember his name.

1047
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 3: He was a tall sky not Billy Joho, No, no.

1048
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: No, byu tall skinny kid. Oh yeah, Mark uh Mark

1049
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 2: something maybe.

1050
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1051
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 2: But the rule was the same if it gets too loud,

1052
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: and so he kept turning around to the official and

1053
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: wanting to you know, and they were gonna call. They

1054
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 2: got to the point where they say, we're gonna call

1055
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 2: a penalty, a fifteen yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on the fans.

1056
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that today? I mean in Philadelphia, if

1057
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: that happened, they'd burned the building down for crying out

1058
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: loud and the Seahawks fans would be none too happy

1059
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: about it either. So, yeah, it took a while for

1060
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: the league to kind of figure that that was pretty dumb.

1061
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: Let's just get him out there, go ahead and play.

1062
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: If it's loud, it's loud. We didn't have shotgun. You

1063
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: didn't run off shotgun in those days.

1064
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: Well, later on, we later, but not Yeah, we were

1065
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 3: underneath the center because of the Sprint draw series.

1066
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, so you know, it was just it was

1067
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: just nuts the way all that stuff worked out. Let

1068
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: me let me look at our list here. There's a

1069
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: couple of other things that I know we wanted to

1070
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: to talk about because then the next time we do this,

1071
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: hopefully we'll get a guest that you know, of our

1072
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: ilk and we gonna have Are we gonna we're gonna

1073
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: have guests all this sure? Oh yeah, whether they come

1074
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: in here and sit with us, or we'll get them

1075
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: on the phone and we can chat with them, you.

1076
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: Know, and hopefully you won't have to BEG fans to

1077
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: know you.

1078
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: Once they hear this, we're never gonna have to BEG fans.

1079
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: They're gonna demand that we're out. They're gonna try to

1080
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: get us to do five days a week. I just can't.

1081
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,959
Speaker 2: I've retired from five days a week work. It's said

1082
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: one of the one of the one of the topics

1083
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: here was the Zorn to Rabel connection. Well, let me

1084
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: tell you it wasn't all that much of a connection.

1085
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna tell it because you're proud to say it,

1086
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: and I'm doubly proud that the best corner route you

1087
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 2: ever threw was in a game in Oakland against the Raiders,

1088
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: against a team that ended up going to the Super

1089
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 2: Bowl that we beat twice that season with Kenny Stay

1090
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 2: and all those guys. We beat him down there, and

1091
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: you threw an absolutely perfect pass that I caught for

1092
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: a touchdown. And uh, and it was one of the

1093
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 2: great when again, as I said, if you if you

1094
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 2: can remember all your highlights, you didn't have enough of them,

1095
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: but that was a real.

1096
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: Highlight, right Jerry had taught uh taught me, Uh, you're

1097
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 3: you're not really ever throwing to spots, so you're really

1098
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: throwing to the receiver. So don't throw to a spot.

1099
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 3: You're throwing throw to the receiver. But you have to

1100
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 3: take your arm and throw the ball where the receiver

1101
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 3: where you know it's going to intersect right at chest

1102
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 3: high going away. And I still remember it was it

1103
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 3: was a corner route and you ran it on the

1104
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: right side and you ended up in the corner of

1105
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 3: the end zone in the right with your arms out

1106
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 3: and full speed or whatever. Uh. And it truly was

1107
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: the best corner route I ever threw. It was an

1108
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: absolutely a touchdown.

1109
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: And it was also the game that I got knocked

1110
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: unconscious by Jack Tatum. Later in the game. Oh right,

1111
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: I didn't know how the game finished. You know. The

1112
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: game ended with Efron kicking a field goal.

1113
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 3: We had a last ten seconds, we had a last

1114
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: chance drive, and I still remember being mad because we didn't.

1115
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 3: We didn't get this first down that we needed. And

1116
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I see Effren Cup coming in.

1117
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 3: I'm looking around and gosh, we were in field goal range.

1118
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 3: I had no idea because I want to go in

1119
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 3: and score, and so here comes Efron and he kicks

1120
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 3: it and it ruined the Raiders day with no time

1121
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 3: left on the clock, and he got it through.

1122
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: It was it was that drive that I got knocked out,

1123
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: literally knocked unconscious. I did a speaking engagement here about

1124
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: three months ago for a group of young sportscasters, young

1125
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: people wanting to get into the business, and so they

1126
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: mentioned said, what was the hardest hit you ever gott

1127
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: And I said, well, I got my glung collapse. That

1128
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: was bad. I got my bell rung a bunch. But

1129
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: I said, Jack Tatum hit me as I ran a

1130
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: crossing route, I said, and the ball was just a

1131
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: little bit back and maybe, yes, I know, just a

1132
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: little bit back here. So and I kind of did this,

1133
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: and then Tatum came through with a forearm and hit

1134
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: me right square in the side of the face and

1135
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: the head and boom. The next thing I know, I'm

1136
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: on the sidelines. The next thing I know, I'm standing

1137
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: there with a towel over my head. I don't know

1138
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: what's going on. And we go to the locker room

1139
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: and everybody's celebrating. So I thought, oh, this is great.

1140
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 2: In fact, point of fact, the next day I had

1141
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: to go to a dinner party. I spent a night

1142
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: in the hospital when we got back to Seattle with

1143
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: things on my head, you know, for a concussion. Got

1144
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: out the next day and had a concussion. Went to

1145
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: this dinner party because I had promised these people i'd

1146
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: be there. There was only one other single person there

1147
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: was Sharon, my wife of now forty two years. So

1148
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: just think, had I not made that dinner party, you know,

1149
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: who knows what would have happened to my miserable life. Anyway,

1150
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: so I get knocked out. I go to this sportscaster's

1151
00:58:54,840 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: thing and I mentioned this story, and some kid sitting

1152
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: out there with an iPad. He's doing this and I'm

1153
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: not paying any attention. And the guy who was moderating

1154
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: the thing says, hey, Steve, do you want to see

1155
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: that play? And I said what play? He said, the

1156
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: play where Tatum knocked you out. And I said, well,

1157
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: that's I said, that was like on game film. I said,

1158
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that in forty six years, probably forty

1159
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,479
Speaker 2: five years. He said, he just found it. I said,

1160
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? So I saw it for the

1161
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: first time in forty five years three weeks ago, would

1162
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: illegal Oh my god, he'd have been arrested. He should

1163
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: have been arrested anyway, because he you know, he paralyzed

1164
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: Darryl Stingley with a hit like that. But that's who

1165
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: these guys were, that's who he was, especially, uh, And

1166
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 2: he yeah. I was still kind of turned around and

1167
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: one guy spun me around as I was trying to

1168
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: make the catch, and he just came through with a forearm.

1169
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: And what I didn't remember was I went down and

1170
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: I started to get up, and then I went down

1171
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 2: to one knee and then I just fell over on

1172
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: my back. And John Brody, you remember John, great guy,

1173
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: great quarterback and a really Good Broadcast was doing the

1174
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: game that day, and he was saying he tried to describe.

1175
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: They showed the replay of it and slowed it down,

1176
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: and Statum just drilling me, and he was saying something

1177
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: to the effect that, oh boy, you got when you

1178
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: go in there, buddy, you gotta be ready and uh

1179
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 2: get gets tough, tough, gets going in there and just

1180
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: let it be quiet online on the ground. The trainers

1181
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: kneeling over me. But we won that game, and that

1182
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: was so cool to go down there and beat the Raiders.

1183
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 3: Well, I don't remember you getting knocked out in that,

1184
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: you know. Isn't that funny how we all have different flashes.

1185
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 3: I can remember throws, I can remember plays, but those

1186
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 3: guys you remember different situations, and they they spur those

1187
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 3: thoughts in my mind about different things that you know.

1188
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, you shove you shove down there. I've always

1189
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 3: admired you, though, because you were the UH in the

1190
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 3: first year, or maybe it was the second year. I

1191
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 3: always remember Steve Rabel having a Jensen Healey and I

1192
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 3: don't even know what year it was, but I'd never

1193
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 3: heard of Jensen he I've heard of Austin healely, But

1194
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: what was this? So I thought maybe it's just, you know,

1195
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 3: something that he could afford. But it looked it was

1196
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 3: really a slick car. And I remember you you were

1197
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 3: the consummate bachelor because you had a red, bright red

1198
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 3: and it was that orange red, beautiful, and you had

1199
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 3: waxed at a bunch and it had a brown saddle

1200
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 3: interior with a brown saddle, and.

1201
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: You were soft top stuff.

1202
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought, Man Raves is an NFL player,

1203
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 3: and he's on my team, and he drives a Jensen Healing, and.

1204
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: Jim had a yellow Beetle Volkswagen Beetle that you kept

1205
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: for years.

1206
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 3: I probably had a better wax job on my Volkswagen

1207
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 3: than you had on your Jensen Healey.

1208
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: You had to the Jensen I bought in seven. I

1209
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: didn't buy anything else. I rented some furniture. I rented

1210
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: a little one bedroom apartment, but with part of my

1211
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: bonus money that I got, which wasn't much for us

1212
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: in those days. You've got a bonus sort of you

1213
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: could call it that. I'd be couch money right now

1214
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: and for players today. Seattle. I bought it in Seattle,

1215
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 2: and the guy who sold it to me ended up

1216
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: becoming a lifelong friend. He passed away a couple of

1217
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: years ago. Wonderful man. But I'll never forget that car.

1218
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 2: I had it for thirty plus years. I took it

1219
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 2: to Arizona and we had a condo down in Arizona,

1220
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 2: so I left it down there for a long time.

1221
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 2: Finally I just thought, let somebody else use it. I

1222
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: sold it to a guy who now puts it in

1223
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: car shows down in Arizona, and.

1224
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 3: It was great.

1225
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: I kept care of it. Was a beautiful car. Going

1226
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: back to the Oakland story, So I get out of

1227
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: the hospital, I go to that dinner party I told

1228
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: you about a friend and parked the car in the driveway.

1229
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 2: Sharon pulls up afterwards and she saw the car, so

1230
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: she knew I was there's She thought two things. First,

1231
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to meet a football player. That's the

1232
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 2: last thing I want to do. But secondly, he looks

1233
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: like he might have pretty good taste if he's got

1234
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: a sports car, the British sports car like.

1235
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: That was he was? She stunking you?

1236
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: No. She drove around the block and almost left, and

1237
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 2: then finally she came back in and we met and

1238
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: we started dating. And we got married, and that's that's

1239
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 2: the end of that story. And I'm getting the wind

1240
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: up from from NASA because we've taken way too much

1241
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 2: of people's time. But here's the deal. We're you and

1242
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: I are going to do this again on a semi

1243
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: regular basis because we've got more stuff we can talk about. Right,

1244
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 2: we got teammates that we can talk about.

1245
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 3: If this is all we do, we might as well

1246
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 3: just be at a cafe somewhere that's right, doing a meal.

1247
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 3: But we hope to.

1248
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: Bring in different guys. We've got, you know, just the

1249
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: guys that we played with, the large Ands, the mccullums,

1250
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: the Sherman Smiths, who's back in Nashville these days now

1251
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: back there, retired. There's just so many of those. Just

1252
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 2: as we get we talked about him, so Nick be

1253
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: about on. He is Artie Kune, your center, your roommate,

1254
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: These guys Sam Adkins, oh my gosh, Well we'll never

1255
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,919
Speaker 2: get through an hour if the three of us, because

1256
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: Sam is here, he's in town so he can come

1257
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 2: in and sit down with us, We'll never get through it.

1258
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: It's it's just brutal. We want to though, thank all

1259
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 2: of you, folks out there if you stuck with us

1260
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: for this hour. First of all, God bless you, because

1261
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could, but we enjoyed it. NASA,

1262
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: Nasa Choby, our producer, director, and all things broadcast here

1263
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: with the Seahawks, thank you for what you did. And

1264
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 2: I think both of us would say thanks to an

1265
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: organization that has let us be a part of this

1266
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: now for almost fifty years. This has been a great ride,

1267
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: and part of it, in fact, for me, the largest

1268
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 2: part was the friendships that we made half a century

1269
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 2: ago that we still have and that means so much.

1270
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 3: Well, it means a lot to me that you and

1271
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 3: I are still in contact, even beyond you being on

1272
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 3: the radio or me still being in Seattle. I mean

1273
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 3: we It's been really fun to know you for all

1274
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 3: these years. And also it's fun and I want to

1275
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 3: learn more about you. Know how you were, how you

1276
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 3: came in. I want to know how you were a

1277
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 3: tight end in at Georgia Tech and got to be

1278
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: a receiver for the Seahawks.

1279
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 2: What, Yes, I know, kind of a scary story.

1280
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you had some I want you to describe

1281
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 3: your tuxedo that you had when you did all night marathon,

1282
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 3: you know marathon telethons that you asked me to come

1283
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 3: to at two in the morning. Hey, can you come

1284
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,959
Speaker 3: at two? There's a slot open that too.

1285
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll talk about all that stuff, shall we, And mostly,

1286
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 2: if you have enjoyed this podcast, do you know send

1287
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: us a note. We got a way to do that,

1288
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: don't we, NASA. There's a way for people to respond,

1289
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 2: And if you have a question, send in your question

1290
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: because after a while, I mean, NASA's is a smart

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Speaker 2: as anybody I've ever met, but he's going to run

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Speaker 2: out of stuff for us to talk about, and so

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Speaker 2: are we because we're both old. So if you have

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Speaker 2: a question or two, send it in and we'd be

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Speaker 2: happy to address that if it's a situation, a game,

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Speaker 2: a player. But just know that it's been terrific over

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Speaker 2: all these years and still for both of us skating

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Speaker 2: to be a part of this organization is something that's

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Speaker 2: one that never forgets. Jim, I will see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for doing this. Sounds great, Thank all you

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Speaker 2: folks out there, and we will join you again next

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Speaker 2: time on what are We? Kind of the Legends podcast?

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Speaker 2: Is that what we can you know?

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Speaker 3: We'll have to come up with some super slight name,

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Speaker 3: and I'll remind you not to tell the same stories

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Speaker 3: that you just told this time, and you remind me okay,

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Speaker 3: because that could get really bad.

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Speaker 2: That's a very real possibility. Thanks everybody, we'll talk to

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Speaker 2: you next time.