1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we just learned there's another 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: playoff P. I'm Greg Rosenthal here with my friend Nick 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: Shook from across the country who wrote a fantastic article 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: last weekend about players at the Crossroads, and we're going 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: to talk about that later in the show, but before that, 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: we're going to do some news, including yes, playoff P 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Jermaine Pratt being released. That's where we're leading the show 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: here on this June ninth. 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: I mean, I do have a problem with it. 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 3: It is news, it did just happen, which is great 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 3: for us, but I don't think I can get behind 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 3: the whole nickname idea. I mean, I'm sure you got 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 3: to come up with a nickname in key moments, and 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: that's fine during a special run, but that one didn't 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: stick in this brain. 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: I'll tell you that I did not know that was 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: a thing. 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: You know, podcast P playoff P. Paul George was more 19 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: more known for. It hasn't really worn well on him. 20 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: We're not really going to start with Jermaine prep but 21 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: that literally happened just as we were going to start taping, 22 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: and I'm distracted by it. But we will do a 23 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: big release. JayR. Alexander, we'll talk a little bit about 24 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: assigning Nick Chubb and some other stuff. With mini camps starting. Yes, 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: most of the league is starting their mandatory mini camps 26 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: on Tuesday this week. I believe the Patriots are starting 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: on Monday. There are only five teams that will still 28 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: be practicing next week, so most of the league will 29 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: wrap up their off season program this week. The Lions 30 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: are already out of there, so salute to them. But yeah, 31 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: let's start with JayR Alexander, since that happened Monday morning. 32 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: A surprising end to that mini drama because he was 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: supposed to get cut in February. He was supposed to 34 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: get cut or traded in March. It never happened. He 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: was supposed to get traded around the draft, it never happened. 36 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: Then afterwards we heard, oh, actually, well, I guess they 37 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: realized they could use a JayR Alexander. They they're not 38 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: really very healthy. And we heard that there was a 39 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: restructured contract offered just a week ago. JayR Alexander, of course, 40 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: one of the core pieces of this I am Kuda kun' 41 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: era literally his first ever draft pick and has been 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: there a long time. And then we get the news 43 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: on Monday morning. He is cut. He will be a 44 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: free agent. They couldn't work out a deal. Like, what 45 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: were your thoughts initially? I think it's a matter of availability. 46 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: It's not that he's not still a good player. It's 47 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: just that he's been so hit or missed in terms 48 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: of being able to be on the field over the 49 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: last few years. Like since the beginning of the twenty 50 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: twenty one season, he's missed thirty four of sixty eight games. 51 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: That mental math, that's half of the games. One of 52 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: your best availability, one of your best abilities is availability. 53 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: And for a guy that had signed a four year, 54 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: eighty four million dollar extension in twenty twenty two, his 55 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: last season in which he played a lot of games, 56 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: he played sixteen games and made the Pro Bowl, you 57 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: can't be dedicating that amount of money to a guy 58 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: who just hasn't been able to demonstrate that he can 59 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: be on the field consistently for you. And I think 60 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: that's the root of what's going on here and how 61 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: we got to this point was that, look, we have 62 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: value in him, but is the value really worth trading him? 63 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: And it's also timing. Can you trade him before the draft? 64 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: Can you trade him during the draft, can you get 65 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: something for him in return? They waited it out, they 66 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: tried to restructure it. Sounds like he wasn't on board 67 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: with that. Sounds like they couldn't come to terms to 68 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: it with an U agreement with that, and so ultimately 69 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: that's why they end up going their separate ways. 70 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was due to make sixteen million in base 71 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: salary this year. My guess is he has a feeling 72 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: his agent certainly does, that he can make more money 73 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: in a different place than whatever the restructure offer was. 74 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: You would assume that they've kind of canvassed the market. 75 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: So just thinking about where JayR Alexander could go. He 76 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: had a famous moment which he was suspended for, still 77 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: the most hilarious suspension in NFL history, him doing the 78 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: coin toss against the Carolina Panthers because he's from Carolina 79 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: without permission from the team, and then they suspended him 80 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: for it afterwards. I mean, I love the Jayre Alexander 81 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: era in Green Bay. I love the experience in general. Actually, 82 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: before we get to the possible teams, and I would 83 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: say the Panthers would be one of them, let's actually 84 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: go back to a fateful day late in twenty twenty three. 85 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: Let's listen to jaire at at midfield. 86 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: So were you supposed to be a captain because the 87 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: team announces the three game captains and you were the 88 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: fourth and you called a toss? 89 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 4: What happened there? 90 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 5: Oh? 91 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know there's only suitan. You know, 92 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: I don't think coach knew. 93 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 3: I was from Charlotte, you know, So so you just 94 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 3: did that on your own. 95 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, you know, I mean it was 96 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 4: like a you know, the guys backed me up, you know, 97 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 4: so they knew. 98 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: They do he was here. I think we have a 99 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: second part of this. Of course, that was not him 100 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: at midfield. That's him in the locker room afterwards, explaining 101 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: maybe our producer Eric Roberts' favorite clip ever, and so 102 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: that's why he just had to get it into this show. 103 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: Let's listen. 104 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 5: Do you realize you almost made a big mistake on it? 105 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 4: Called on what I do? 106 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 5: You said we want to go on defense? Yeah, which 107 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 5: in theory could if they could have said, then you're 108 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 5: electing to kick to kick off what you would I've 109 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 5: lost the opportunity to receive. 110 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: In the second half. 111 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I told him that I said, I want 112 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: I want our defense to be on there, and they 113 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 4: all looked at him like I was crazy. I'm like, 114 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 4: I mean, it's pretty simple what I said. I want 115 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 4: the defense to be out. They like, you mean defer. 116 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 4: I'm like yeah, I guess, okay, yeah, oh really No, 117 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 4: he was just like defer. I was like yeah. Everybody's 118 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 4: like yeah, everybody was la. I'm like, well, all lab 119 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 4: then it's pretty obvious what I'm asking for. 120 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: So did anyone say anything to you when you got 121 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: back to this whole one. 122 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 5: Would? 123 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: Uh? 124 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: That just gives you a little a little taste of 125 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: cornerbacks that they're They're just a little different one of 126 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: my favorite characters. Uh. Looking at some teams that could 127 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: possibly go after meat Carolina, they could certainly use a cornerback. 128 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: Why not? I saw there's been a lot of connection 129 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: there Locally. The Dolphins are probably gonna trade Jalen Ramsey 130 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: sooner than later. He is not showing up to mandatory 131 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: mini camp at the in Miami this week. They could 132 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: certainly use some cornerbacks. So they came to mind for me, 133 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: the Rams who have been involved talking about Jalen Ramsey, 134 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: maybe that's not a crazy move. I could see him 135 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: fitting there the Cowboys, same thing with Jalen Ramsey the Ravens. 136 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: He just seems like a Raven. And then I was 137 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: trying to think if he had any connections around the league. 138 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: Mike Petten, his former defensive coordinator in Green Bay. Do 139 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: you know where Mike Petton is working these days, Nick Chuck? 140 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: I admit I did not, even though he's been there 141 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: for three years. So I apologize to mister Petten. 142 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: Uh, you know what, It's on the tip of my tongue. 143 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: It's not coming to me because when I think about 144 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: Mike Petton in the employment market, I just think about 145 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: the year he took off to build a cabin after 146 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 3: he got f by the Bread. 147 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: Yes, he is with the Vikings. He is an assistant 148 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: under Brian Flores, and so who knows. Actually, that wouldn't 149 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: be that crazy of assigning either. They know how good 150 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: Jay r Alexander could be, and I think they could 151 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: use an outside cornerback. He could be an interesting boom 152 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: er bust type of pickup for a team out there. 153 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. I like all those candidates. 154 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 3: I think Miami probably jumps out as the most just 155 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: because they need a corner so bad because it seems 156 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 3: like their days with Ramsey are numbered. 157 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: It feels like they're going to part part ways. 158 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: And the only other cornerback they have on the roster 159 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: that's of notice, Storm Duck, who needed an entire preseason 160 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: campaign last year to kind of push his name into 161 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: the consciousness of the football world. So they could definitely 162 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: use and help there, especially in a pivotal season for them. 163 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I am spending more time on Jaya Alexander than 164 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: I expected today, But he is one of those guys 165 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: cornerbacks have these careers, like really great cornerbacks there, they're 166 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: so inconsistent, and especially you know, he's had injuries and 167 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: so that's been a problem. But suddenly sometimes like a 168 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, they will just pop up at age twenty nine, 169 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: where Alexander is like a Stefan Gilmour for instance, signed 170 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: like a one year deal and end up getting a 171 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: second team opera and being very vital to the team 172 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: that they join. So I am interested to see where 173 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: he's at. But Mark Murphy one of the last things 174 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: he'll do as the team president of the Packers, because 175 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: I believe he is kicked out in a couple of 176 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: weeks here because of the age requirement. He said, the 177 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: reality is the last four years for Jai Era, but 178 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: it's been about half the games that he's been able 179 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: to play, so we have been used to it. I 180 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: mentioned Jalen Ramsey not showing up to many camp. The 181 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: Dolphins are one of the teams that get to work 182 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, so we'll just monitor that. But they obviously 183 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: haven't found a home for him. Nick Chubb, though, your 184 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: boy found a home. He is joining the Houston Texans. 185 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: Nick thoughts on one of the best Browns of the 186 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: last twenty years. Although the Browns are over indexing and 187 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: like great players that they've had over the last twenty 188 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: years when you really think about it, but Nick Chubb 189 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: certainly certainly one of them, and I'm sure you'll miss 190 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: him in Cleveland. What do you think about the fit 191 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: in Houston. 192 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: Let's go fit first, because this is a classic veteran 193 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 3: looking for an opportunity to pursue a ring and not 194 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: need to carry the load type of situation. Where you 195 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: got Joe Mixon there, He's not the only running back 196 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: on the depth chart. 197 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: You've also got Damian Pierce. 198 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: They have rookie Woody marks out of USC But Chubbs 199 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: fit makes sense in that he can be somebody that 200 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 3: you hand it to, I don't know, seven to twelve 201 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 3: times a game if you want to really be run 202 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 3: dependent and see what you get out of him. You know, 203 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 3: don't need him to come back and be the star 204 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: that the Browns hoped he was going to be when 205 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: he came back from that knee injury last season in 206 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 3: an abbreviated that ended with a foot injury. Now on 207 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: the Cleveland side, people here are mourning the loss of him, 208 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 3: but this was inevitable. They threw a bunch of you know, 209 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 3: spaghetti at the wall and at running back and are 210 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: hoping something sticks with you know, drafting Quinn, Shawn Judkins 211 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: and Dylan Sampson. They have a million running backs. They've 212 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 3: been cycling through a million running backs for the last 213 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: few years, basically since Chubb got hurt. It's the end 214 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: of an era, but it was an end that could 215 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: be seen coming from a thousand miles away. And you 216 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: hope that he is healthier this time around and is 217 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: able to make a difference for a team that we 218 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: expect to contend. 219 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he is. Joe Mixon insurance. You're betting 220 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: on the person, not the film from a year ago, 221 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: because he just did not look like he had even 222 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: close to the amount of juice that he had before 223 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: his injuries. But you're further away from him, you're thinking, 224 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: if anyone can overcome it, it's Chubb. And more importantly, yeah, 225 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: maybe he's not even a seven to twelve touch guy initially. 226 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: He's just a guy that you have the hopper and 227 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: you get him as healthy as you can. And if 228 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: Joe Mixon misses three or four games like he did 229 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: last year, like he did a couple of years ago 230 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: with the Bengals, or if he can't finish a game, 231 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: Chubb comes in there and you see what can happen 232 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: as a high volume replacement, but one of the best 233 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: guys and one of the best just pure runners that 234 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: we've seen. So I hope that he can bounce back 235 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: with a fun team. We will see. Chauncey Gardner Johnson, 236 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: by the way, is showing up to mandatory mini camp 237 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: this week. He has not been at OTA's and shot 238 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: some you know fire at the Eagles by the way 239 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: to the media, just saying that he felt disrespected by 240 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: that trade and he's ready to go. I love I 241 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: love me some offseason story. I guess we'll talk Jermaine Pratt, 242 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: by the way, just quickly, a linebacker who's played a 243 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: ton of snaps for the Bengals, stuck around on this 244 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: team longer than I expected. I don't I guess they 245 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: were trying to get some sort of trade compensation out 246 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: of him and just didn't want to bother. They will 247 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: save five point six million dollars in cap space by 248 00:10:58,960 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: cutting him. 249 00:10:59,520 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 5: Shook. 250 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 251 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 3: I think that friend of the show contributed to the show. 252 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: Kevin Patris said it best today when when we saw 253 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 3: the news, which is, oh, we're in the part of 254 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: the offseason right now where teams are cutting guys before 255 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: you get to mandatory mini camp, and this felt like 256 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: that when he had requested a trade earlier this offseason. 257 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a it's a career with the Bengals, 258 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: where he started a lot of games and he piled 259 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: up a team best total in tackles last season, and 260 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 3: yet it felt like there was also a. 261 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: Little bit more to be achieved there. 262 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: I think that that defense as a whole struggled so 263 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: much last year that his mistackles were magnified. According to PFF, 264 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: he had twenty missed tackles last season, which is a 265 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 3: lot for a linebacker. But it felt like Anna Rumo's out, 266 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: He's over in Indianapolis. Now you got to move on, 267 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 3: And it felt like Pratt maybe wasn't interested in the 268 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: contract year, in finding a fit in a new coordinator scheme, 269 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: and he wanted a change of scenery. 270 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: So now he's gonna get one. 271 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: Don't be surprised if the you know, the Colts last 272 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 3: pick up the phone and check him out, because Lou 273 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: and Rumo's there. And if they don't, I think I'll 274 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: garner some interest because you know, you don't just pile 275 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 3: up one hundred and forty three tackles out of nowhere. 276 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 3: I think that that's that production itself will garner some interest. 277 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: We'll see what happens, though. 278 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was not great the last couple of years. 279 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: He was drafted. In twenty nineteen, Friend of the Show 280 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: Ali Connelly will you know to go to his deathbed 281 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: swearing that Jermaine Pratt's like doing the dirty work role 282 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: really opened up that defense in a meaningful way and 283 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: is probably like a Lou Anroumo favorite, so I'm with 284 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: you that he'll probably end up in Indianapolis. He made 285 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: the interception on Derek Carr. That was Derek Carr's only 286 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: playoff start, right, you know, and they're driving. It'll be 287 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: a memorable moment in Carr's career. He Pratt picks him 288 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: off in that playoff game and help secure the victory 289 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: for the Bengals. But they drafted Demetrius Knight, second round pick, 290 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: was a surprise pick, and he's going to basically replace 291 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: Pratt there. The cap space gives them more than thirty 292 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space. You figure that is more 293 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: than enough to get Trey Hendrickson signed, So it's more 294 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: about the cash. And with them going over thirty million 295 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: now and the packer is going way over thirty million 296 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: dollars in cap space now, you know, both those teams 297 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: are in the top ten or so in cap space. 298 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: But I'm doing the math as I'm looking at it, 299 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: and I think there's like twelve thirteen teams with thirty 300 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space. And goes back to what 301 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: I say a lout in the offseason, like cap space 302 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: is overrated. It's almost it's too easy. It's the opposite 303 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: of where the NBA is at right now. Like the 304 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: cap is just not that huge of an issue for 305 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the league. If you've got thirty million 306 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: dollars in cap space. Maybe I'm a dummy by saying this, 307 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: but like, I don't think it's that big of an 308 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: issue if everyone's got thirty million dollars in room, Like 309 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: in the NBA, everyone's spending over the you know, get 310 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: in to it. 311 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can. 312 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: There's too many ways to finesse the cap right now 313 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 3: in the NFL that that we get to this point, 314 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 3: Like the brown should have no caspace, they have cap space, 315 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: like there's there's there's a number of teams that should 316 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: be in the red and yet some they could be. 317 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: The Saints were notorious being close to one hundred million 318 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: over and cap projected going into an off season and 319 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: always find a way to get under the cap. 320 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: So I agree it is overrated. 321 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 3: But it is interesting because this has been a very 322 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: expensive offseason for the Bengals in the extensions that they 323 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: handed out, and that was a big sticky point with 324 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: the whole Hendricks things. Now, even five point eight million 325 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: dollars gets over that thirty million mark and suddenly, oh, 326 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: you know what, we have some leeway where if we 327 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: want to keep hendrickson, we could frontload a contract and 328 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: get him paid right now and make him happy and 329 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: find a way to make this work. 330 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: And there you are saving not just cap space here, 331 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: they are saving five point six in cash. It's one 332 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: of those deals where it's just like they're just getting 333 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: him off the books. And yeah, I mentioned that almost 334 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: half the league is over thirty million. Only three teams 335 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: are even under ten million, and so they got to 336 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: figure some stuff out, you know, when they sign. They've 337 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: signed some of the rookies, the Falcons, the Giants, and 338 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: Bills are all five million are under but other than that, 339 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: like everyone has plenty of room. By the way the 340 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: Bills were mentioned, the Bills were mentioned as a potential 341 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: jyr Alexander spot that, Yeah, there was some conversations there, 342 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: but that might have been before the draft. I wouldn't 343 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: be surprised. We're hearing these reports this time of year 344 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: of like what almost happened, and that was one of them. 345 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: Well, we're also getting that part of the season where 346 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 3: like the veterans, you know, you're getting some late additions 347 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: to the free agent market. You're also got the veterans 348 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 3: who are continuing to wait out the market, so I 349 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: will see some activity. I think once you get past 350 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: mandatory MINDI camp, but you kind of understand where you 351 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: are as a roster and where you need to improve 352 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: and who maybe might not make the cut even now, 353 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: then you start to explore those options. But I do 354 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: have to say this, Greg, when you mentioned Derek Car's 355 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: loan playoffs start, I thought, didn't the Raiders make the 356 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: playoffs in twenty sixteen? 357 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: Who was their quarterback? So I looked it up. 358 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: Take a guess who their quarterback was in their playoff 359 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: loss in the twenty sixteen season. 360 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: Well, it's embarrassing if I can't remember Matt McGloin because 361 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: I was at the game. Did he come in or 362 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: was he the starter? 363 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: The starter in that game, yes, was Michigan State's Connor Cook. 364 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: I can't believe I forgot that. I was literally there. 365 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: Jadavian Clowney, his crowning moment as a Houston Texan, dominated 366 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: that game nicely home on the playoff win for the Texans. 367 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break, and by the way, what 368 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: before we do I just did want to mention were 369 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: mentioned these possible trades. I mentioned the Rashad Bateman contract 370 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: in the last show. There was a report from Jeremy 371 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: Fowler that he actually, you know, asked for a raise. 372 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: They didn't want to give it to him. They said, 373 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: go check your value across the league, almost almost testing him, 374 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: like yeah, you think you can get a contract, go 375 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: go look around. And there were multiple teams that were like, yeah, 376 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: we'd love to trade for Rashad Bateman, and then the 377 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: Ravens were like, oh, actually, we don't want to do that. 378 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: But apparently the Packers and the Patriots were both in 379 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: on a Rashad Bateman trade. I believe that would have 380 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: been before the draft, and so that is a sliding 381 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: doors moment. But that was one of those situations where 382 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: him and his agent called their bluff. He actually did 383 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: have some value and they were like, no, man, we 384 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: actually love you Rashad Bateman, We're going to find a 385 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: way to keep you. 386 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: And they worked it out. I mean, they better. 387 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: They spent two years popping him up before he finally 388 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: produced last year, so you better stick with him. 389 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: Why not stick with him? And then of course the 390 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: Packers take Matthew Golden in the draft and the Patriots 391 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: get my boy, Kyle Williams. Let's take a quick break 392 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk a little bit about your article. Nick. 393 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw in some players here. We'll do five 394 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: Players at the Crossroads right after this. 395 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 2: What I do. 396 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, looking forward to the little drips 397 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: and drabs of news this week before it gets real quiet. 398 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: We have a big newsmaker on on Tuesday, by the way, 399 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: Shook and Rappaport. 400 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you think, Greg. 401 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to talk about this make or Breaks 402 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 3: article that I wrote last week. Yeah, it's getting the 403 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: most run if I think any article I've written in 404 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 3: a long time. I did a segment with Ian on 405 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 3: The Insiders about it on Friday. 406 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: Look at you, big shook pop in the off season 407 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: before you take a well deserved break, I believe in 408 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: the middle of this week or into next week. So 409 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward for you for that and yeah, let's 410 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: talk about it. You said it's kind of a make 411 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: or break season for a number of players around the NFL. 412 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: You said players at the Crossroads. We'll do five and 413 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: I'll let you get going. We'll go back and forth. 414 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: Who do you find most intriguing about these players at 415 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: the Crossroads. 416 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 3: You know, I think when you look at this article 417 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 3: and you scroll down you see a name like Sam Darnold, 418 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: you get confused, which, by the way, Crossroads shout out 419 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: to bone Thugs and Harmony. But look, because Sam had 420 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: a great year last year and everybody expect him to 421 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: get paid. 422 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: He gets paid by the Seahawks. 423 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: We all know, you know what dominoes needed to fall 424 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: in order to make that happen, including your boy get 425 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 3: Gino Smith getting traded to the Raiders, which win win, right, 426 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 3: But it is a risk because if Sam doesn't produce 427 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 3: in year one, they can get out of it. The 428 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 3: way they've structured this contract. We just talked about how 429 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 3: cap space doesn't matter what contracts often on face. 430 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 2: Value don't matter either. 431 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: Because of the way they're structured the Seahawks, if they 432 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 3: cut him after June first next year, they could save 433 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: twenty seven and a half million of his thirty three 434 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: point nine million cap number in twenty twenty six. That's 435 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: basically saying, all right, this didn't work out, We're moving on. 436 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 3: They also drafted Jalen Milroe. Obviously, he's more of a 437 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: runner than a pastor still needs time to develop. He's 438 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 3: going to be on the field and packages at some 439 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: point just because he's that dangerous of a runner. But 440 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: the pressure is on, and it's on just as much 441 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 3: for Sam as it was a year ago when he 442 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 3: went to Minnesota and basically got the starting job because 443 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy got injured and so there was no competition 444 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: and then he took advantage of it. He's going to 445 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: have to capitalize again. It's crazy for a guy who 446 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: has seen so many peaks and valleys in his career 447 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 3: already and experienced such a significant peak last year that 448 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: he's going to have to do it again under such pressure. 449 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: But this is the NFL, so he is a guy 450 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 3: who is going to have to deliver in order to 451 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 3: retain his job beyond one year, no matter how big 452 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: the contract was. 453 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you think about where he's at, and the comparisons 454 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: to Gino Smith make a lot of sense in many 455 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 1: ways in terms of career arc But this is like 456 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: that season that Gino had trying to follow up his breakout, 457 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: where you can either cement yourself as a guy who 458 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: is going to be starting in the NFL for the 459 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: next handful of years, or you could kind of go 460 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: back to being where you were before, which is this 461 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: bridge guy and you only have so many of those chances. 462 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: And if it doesn't work for Darnald in what I 463 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: think is a good setup, but certainly not as good 464 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: a setup as Minnesota, then he's going to be typecast 465 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: as a guy. It's like it's got to be perfect, 466 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: it's got to be that situation. He's going to be 467 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: more of a one be I think what he did 468 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: last year was guarantee that he's going to have a 469 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: long career if he wants it, and he's going to 470 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: get to start more games in his career than we 471 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: probably expected going into last year. But he could go 472 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: right back to Jamis Winston, Marcus Mariota kind of late 473 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: career Teddy Bridgewater mode where he's not really viewed as 474 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: a potential starter, where like if he plays like he 475 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: did last year, like he's just going to be He's 476 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: just going to be a guy that we're talking about 477 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: as a starting quarterback the next like five, six, seven years. 478 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: He can really submit himself. All you really need to 479 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: do is do that a couple times as a starter 480 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm gonna throw out a guy in a 481 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: similar situation in terms of it could be his last 482 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: year with his team. I'm gonna say Kyler. 483 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: Murray, like, oh, I love this. 484 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: How many more years can we do this? Actually? How 485 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: many players have been at the crossroads more than Kyler Murray. 486 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: I feel like he has a crossroads year every three 487 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: or four. And I like that they have been patient 488 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: with him, this new staff. But he's twenty eight years old. 489 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: He has been in Arizona a long time, and he's 490 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: been with this coaching staff took for a long time. 491 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: And how I would put it is that if he 492 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: plays exactly the same as he did a year ago 493 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: for Arizona, I think they will trade him in the offseason. 494 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: Now he's gonna keep He's too talented not to be 495 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: starting games out there, But they can save thirty five 496 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: million dollars. If they trade him next year, they would 497 00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: have only seventeen million dollars in dead cap. That's it's 498 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: actually not that crazy to move off of a quarterback 499 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: like it happens all the time. You can survive that 500 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: you're saving money ultimately, and so to me, I do 501 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: think he needs to take a step forward for this 502 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: Arizona team to remain the guy there long term. 503 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, it's crazy because his arc has 504 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 3: kind of it coincides with the Jonathan Gannon era there, 505 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 3: in which their first season was essentially a mulligan because 506 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 3: he wasn't going to be able to come back healthy 507 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: until late in the season, and he played well enough 508 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 3: and they took steps forward that you're like, oh, Okay, 509 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: he's not he's been out of the game for a while, 510 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 3: and yet look how much better we are with him. 511 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: And then they went into last season and they had 512 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: a strong start and they kind of you know, petered 513 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 3: out at the end, and now we're at this point 514 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: where you place him as one of those crossroads players 515 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: because of that exact reason the question. I have two 516 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 3: questions here, because I can't imagine that you have an 517 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 3: upgrade available right now that would actually convince you unless 518 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 3: the financial savings are just so attractive that it would 519 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 3: sell you on moving him and just figuring it out elsewhere. 520 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: But also because of the amount of money that they're 521 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: going to save in a move and everything else, it 522 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 3: sounds like it could be an attractive trade option for 523 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: another team. So like what kind of return do they 524 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 3: get on him in this scenario, because I think if 525 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 3: you're only eating. 526 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 2: A I mean, it's not a terrible amount of dead cap, but. 527 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: It's a movable contract at that point, or at least 528 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: relatively given that, there's a number of teams that are 529 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: desperate for quarterback every year. So like, what does he 530 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 3: fetch if he has a season like last season? Because 531 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 3: I could count a handful of teams right now that 532 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: would take him in a trade. 533 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: Right he is a much better option than Justin Fields 534 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: or Aaron Rodgers, who will both be starting Week one. 535 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: By the way Aaron Rodgers contract details came out, I 536 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: didn't mean to hit that he's making ten point five 537 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: guaranteed thirteen million dollars in general, assuming he makes a 538 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: team and the incentives can go up to nineteen million. 539 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: I know it's a little bit of a sidebar, but 540 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: what do you think about the fact that Aaron Rodgers 541 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: is making less money than Daniel Jones this year? 542 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: I got really excited when I saw that on the 543 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: ticker on the at the gym the other day. I 544 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: was just like, Oh, we're at that point now where 545 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: Rogers is playing for less than twenty million. 546 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: This is great, way less it's really a thirteen million 547 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: dollar contract. But in every everyone trying to make the 548 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: case that this is like a great deal. First of all, 549 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, that bad contract should not be the barometer 550 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: of what makes sense or not. It actually makes sense 551 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: to me. I mean, the fact that Justin Field is 552 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: making a lot more money is surprising. And yet I 553 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: think this is where Rogers' play said he was worth, 554 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: and it says a lot that the market didn't value 555 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: him any better than that, and so I don't think 556 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: he's like taking some discount. I just think this is 557 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: the best that he can get. And there's just such 558 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: a huge drop off from if you're actually a starter 559 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: like a Kyler Murray, who who it's crazy is where 560 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: you don't want to be And I'll get back to 561 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: him now, where you don't want to be is have 562 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: the huge franchise quarterback contract. And they're all close enough 563 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: to each other that there's actually not that big of 564 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,239 Speaker 1: a different. But ultimately Kyler Murray is close to the 565 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: very end of the line in terms of quality play. 566 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: Now I'm always a defender. There was a good video 567 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: that went out this weekend on YouTube's by Alex Rollins. 568 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: I watched it and it was kind of about how 569 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: much Kyler Murray struggles with pressure, and you can change 570 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: the numbers around, like his EPA per play against pressure 571 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: last year wasn't great, but the eye test and some 572 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: other numbers aren't great. And so he is a guy who, 573 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: if it's all working well, can be absolutely fantastic. If 574 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: he's protected, he can be fantastic. But he just doesn't 575 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: want to get hit. And that's not that huge of 576 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: an issue if you're Peyton Manning and you're winning from 577 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: the neck up and you can just get rid of 578 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: the ball quickly, but that's not how Kyler Murray wins. 579 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: So that combination is a problem. And I do think 580 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: he's going to have to run more. He's talked about that, 581 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: and I do think he's either got to develop knowing 582 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: where everyone else is on the field more, or he's 583 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: got to be a little more willing to take a hit. 584 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: And that's tough to do at his size and his age. 585 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 3: Talked about it at length last season, where Kyler Murray 586 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 3: doesn't know who he wants to be. Sometimes he wants 587 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 3: to run more, sometimes he wants to do the opposite, 588 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 3: So I totally agree that he's probably going to need 589 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 3: to run more. They were also numbers aside, Like not 590 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 3: going to use any stats to back this, but just 591 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 3: from the eye test alone, knowing what happened in their 592 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: games last year, they were one of the worst third 593 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 3: down teams that I can remember in a while, Like 594 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 3: it was just drop back, blitz is coming, chuck a prayer, 595 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: hope it works out. Oftentimes it just throw the ball 596 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 3: toward Marvin Harrison Junior or somebody else and it didn't 597 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: work out. So that needs to be fixed because you 598 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 3: have to sustain drives. So I totally agree with that, 599 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 3: and I don't know if we'll ever see him get there. 600 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I still have hope because the great games are 601 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: so great. It's funny you look at his numbers, they're 602 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: incredibly consistent, Like he's averaging seven yards per attempt like 603 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: his whole career and like every year is right around there. 604 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: But he gets to it in such an inconsistent way 605 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: throughout a course of a season, throughout a course of 606 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: a game. Like a lot of this video referred to 607 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: this second matchup against the Rams, which I remember really well. 608 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: It was you know, was on in primetime and they 609 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: only scored nine points. And I think about that dichotomy 610 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: between that in the first Rams game a year ago, 611 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: where he looked like the best quarterback in the league, 612 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: they put up a forty burger. That's kind of the 613 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray experience. He fades at the end of the year. 614 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to your next player at a crossroads. 615 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of makes me feel bad for holding 616 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury accountable for them blowing a tire down the 617 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 3: stretch so many times. 618 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: Fair it seems like a Kyler Murray thing to struggle. 619 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 2: I may have some regrets, all right. 620 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 3: Another player that showed up on my list Marshawn Lattimore, 621 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 3: cornerback for the Washington Commanders. We know that he was 622 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 3: acquired last you know, mid season last year as an 623 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 3: upgrade for a Commander's team that surprised everybody, But it 624 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 3: took him a while to get on the field and 625 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 3: be available, and once they hit. 626 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 2: The playoffs, he was bad. 627 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: Like like, look at his PFF grades, they're in the red. 628 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: They're bad. 629 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: And so it's not that he's at a crossroads that 630 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 3: he is necessarily playing for a contract because he does 631 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 3: have another year in that contract. It's about earning that 632 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 3: next year because at twenty nine years old, you hope 633 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 3: that he's got the off season to kind of, you know, 634 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 3: understand where he fits in dan Quinn's defense more and 635 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: gets more familiar with his surroundings with Wash. But he's 636 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 3: gonna have to be better than that because even as 637 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 3: somebody that was traded for in the middle of the season, 638 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 3: they expect more out of him than what they've gotten 639 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: out of him so far, especially in clutch games like that. 640 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 3: So if he's gonna get to twenty twenty six in 641 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 3: his contract, he's going to have to play much better. 642 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: And even if he's not going to get to twenty 643 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 3: twenty six in that contract, hes still got to play 644 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 3: better to earn money elsewhere because he's at that age 645 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 3: right now where he's only got one more opportunity to 646 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 3: cash in on a significant deal outside of the one 647 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 3: year deals that you mentioned that guys like Stefan Gilmore 648 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 3: or Jalen Ramsey end up getting at that point in 649 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 3: their career. 650 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: So it's a pivotal season for him in a number 651 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 2: of different areas. 652 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think of him and JayR Alexander very similarly, 653 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: like they came into the league at twenty one years old. 654 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: A lot of early success. Jayer has made two second 655 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: team All pros. Lattimore has made four Pro Bowls. But man, 656 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: you see how these cornerback careers go. I just said 657 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: it with Alexander too, like you can have a pop 658 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: up season late in your career. And I think Latimore 659 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: started twenty twenty three looking like he's looked, but he's 660 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: missed at least seven games per year over the last 661 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: three years. Like this is a guy who is his tea. 662 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: You know, his colleagues were rating top one hundred player 663 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: in the NFL five times. He was one of those guys. 664 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: And yet man, he could be a negative for this team. 665 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: So I love that one because he was a guy 666 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: I thought was going to have just a fantastic career. 667 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: They drafted Trey Amos, Like, who knows what they're going 668 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: to get. They might get something great out of him, 669 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: they might get something terrible. He was one of the 670 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: guys I was thinking about talking about too so good 671 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: pick I guess, but you stole it. I'm going to 672 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: go DeAndre Swift, who was on your list. So another 673 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: player out a crossroads who probably wouldn't be the starter 674 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: for Chicago if they had gotten their wish and drafted 675 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: Treveon Henderson. I think they wanted him in the draft, 676 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: it didn't happen. Instead, they wind up with Luther Burden 677 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: because the Patriots get Henderson and Burden, by the way, 678 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: has not been practicing at all with a soft tissue injury, 679 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: so that's not a good start to the offseason for him. 680 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: But I checked Shookie only nine running backs. This is 681 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: kind of a weird way to do it, but nine 682 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: running backs have at least nine hundred yards from scrimmage 683 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: over the last three straight years, and DeAndre Swift is 684 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: one of them. And there were moments in that Philadelphia 685 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: season certainly, and even with this season in Ben Johnson 686 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: where he runs really tough and I think he's a 687 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: little better at his best than people give him credit for. 688 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: But he's really been scheme dependent. He's now in this 689 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: great situation and he could definitely pop off and have 690 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: a big time year, or he could be someone that 691 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: kind of drags this Bears offense down. 692 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree that I think that he's unfairly criticized 693 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: and undervalue often and I think about that Eagles season 694 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: where I was like, look at him. 695 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: He's back on the horse. Now, he's proving his worth, and. 696 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 3: I thought he was gonna be a great fit in Chicago, 697 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 3: but I caution about the heightened expectations under Ben Johnson. 698 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 3: You look at Detroit's offense, you see David Montgomery and 699 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 3: Jimior Gibbs, and they're doing so well in this offense 700 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: and everything else. They're there because the Lions didn't want 701 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift anymore. They let him go to Philadelphia and 702 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: rebuilt their backfield in a move that I think shocked 703 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: a lot of people at the time but made a 704 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 3: lot of sense in hindsight, and there's a reason for it. 705 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: In his last season, he ran for five hundred and 706 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: forty two. 707 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 3: Yards and five touchdowns under Ben Johnson before leaving for 708 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: the Eagles. I'm a little concerned that this doesn't actually 709 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: work out, which is a big reason why I put 710 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 3: him at the crossroads. He's going to have to prove 711 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: that he's not scheme dependent, that he can work well 712 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 3: in Ben Johnson's offense in order to keep himself, you know, 713 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 3: basically prove his worth to the Bears. 714 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, he caught a ton of passes that year, did 715 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: not get a ton of carries, and so you might 716 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: see that play out with Chicago that he is a 717 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: little bit more of a receiving back for the Bears. 718 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: Last thing on I know I'm jumping all around, but 719 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: I did want to mention the Packers are a team 720 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: that is like looking to make the Super Bowl right now, 721 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: and their best cornerbacks are Keishawn Nixon and Carrington Valentine. 722 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: So I do think there could they be a Jalen 723 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: Ramsey team. I don't know, like that could be a 724 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: big time weakness for this team is their cornerback position, 725 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: if that's their top two quarterbacks. Just wanted to make 726 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: that going before No. 727 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 3: I think that's a great point to make because when 728 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: all this stuff started months ago, which this feels like 729 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 3: it's been an ongoing saga since like January, if you 730 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 3: looked at their death chart, that's the first takeaway I had. 731 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: Too was well who do you have behind him? 732 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 3: Because Valentine was a guy that essentially was fourth in 733 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 3: your depth chart ended up working his way more into 734 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 3: the rotation. But to have those as your top two, 735 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 3: I feel like that's a bit of a weakness on paper. 736 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 3: That you wouldn't want to expose yourself to going into 737 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,239 Speaker 3: this season, and especially if you could work something out 738 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: with him. So yeah, I think that's a great point 739 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 3: to make and could be a problem for them this season. 740 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: I don't know about great. I'm gonna go solid because 741 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: I can hear Brian Gudakunz and Packers fans saying we 742 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: just signed Nate Hobbs to huge money. But in my mind, 743 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Nate Hobbs as a guy that's a 744 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: slot cornerback. They say, maybe he's going to play a 745 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: little more on the outside. I'm thinking about outside cornerbacks. 746 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: You need three of them. But yes, Nate Hobbs is 747 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: a promising pickup for them, not a guy who stayed 748 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: on the field all the time either for the Raiders. 749 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: By the way, all right, your final player at the Crossroads. 750 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: Shook my final player at the Crossroads. 751 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 3: You know, I could cherry pick and I could say 752 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson because especially with the news that he was 753 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 3: going to miss the rest of offseason activities and be 754 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 3: back at some point in camp that well, you know, 755 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 3: I could go there, but I'm not. I'm gonna go 756 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: with Chris o'lave. Not because of his contract, this is 757 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 3: not the last year of his deal. Not because of 758 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 3: the talent. We know he's a talented player. It's because 759 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 3: he can't stay on the field. We know that he's 760 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: had multiple instances of concussions in his career. He's just 761 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 3: constantly on the injury report and isn't available. And the 762 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 3: thing is is like he had two thousand yard seasons 763 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: to start his career and then he just played only 764 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 3: eight games last year. This is a Saints team that 765 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 3: has been ravaged by injury at the receiver position over 766 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 3: the last couple of years. They now lost their quarterback 767 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: in Derek Carr that Tyler Schuck looks like the leading 768 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 3: candidate to take that job and doesn't inspire the world's 769 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 3: you know, all the world's confidence in me right now. 770 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 3: But he'd do a lot better if he had a 771 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 3: guy like Olave on the field. And Olave would too, 772 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: because I think this is more about reclaiming a promising 773 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 3: career and proven that you can do it and really 774 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 3: just staying healthy. And oftentimes luck is so you know, 775 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 3: unfortunate with guys who are talented like a Lave, and 776 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 3: just that you can't predict when you're gonna get hurt 777 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 3: and and that sort of thing. But I would love 778 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 3: to see him put together a full season again and 779 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 3: prove that he's still the player that we remembered him 780 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 3: coming out of Ohio State, because when he's at his best, 781 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 3: he's he's a very good young receiver and I would 782 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 3: hate to see, you know, that flame extinguished just because 783 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 3: of health issues. 784 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: Oh we got we got some pushback on socials that 785 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: we had a Lave too high in our top thirty 786 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: wide receiver rankings that even made the list, But I 787 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: think he was somewhere right. 788 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 2: That's because he hasn't been available. 789 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, if he's right, I think he's going to earn 790 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: that spot and maybe even a little more, but clearly 791 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: riskier than a lot of the players, and you just 792 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: hope he can stay healthy so that he can get 793 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: that big second contract. They did pick up the fifth 794 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: year option for a Lave, so he is guaranteed around 795 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars next year. But he is someone you 796 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: just you just hope the best for, especially with the 797 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: head injuries. That's a good call of a guy who 798 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: they really need to come through, and I think he 799 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: will be desperate to do so, and to me, yeah, 800 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: it's more about the injuries and certainly the quarterback. There 801 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: five players at the crossroads shook. We're not saying goodbye 802 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: to you for the rest of the off season yet. 803 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: I'll let the listeners know we have some plans coming 804 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: up in future weeks. But I know you're taking off 805 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: for a little bit. You'll be back with us in 806 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. You need a break, deserve it, 807 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: and you know, don't work too hard playing Madden and 808 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: doing consulting or whatever you're doing. 809 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 3: For Matt. I will be using this next week week 810 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 3: and a half to get so much needed r and 811 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: R before we start to gear up for what is 812 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 3: going to be another thrilling and exciting season, Year two 813 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 3: of NFL Daily. 814 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 2: Well, baby, here we go. 815 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: I know we have the date where we're going back 816 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: to daily. Clearly we have not been daily lately, but 817 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: we're doing it a handful of times this week. We 818 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 1: will have Ian Rappaport on the show next I'm really 819 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: looking forward to that and breaking down all the news 820 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: stories around the league. 821 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 5: Yeah. 822 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: Man, when we're when we're like leading with Jermaine Pratt, 823 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: like football is not that bad. 824 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 4: I don't know 825 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 3: M hm.