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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, What's Up?
Speaker 1: This is Questlove, namesake of the Quest Love Supreme podcast,
Speaker 1: the award winning Quest Love Supreme podcast, No No, No,
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Speaker 1: I'm in the room right now with Sugar Steve, the
Speaker 1: Multai Anyway, Welcome to QLs Classic and of course this
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite subjects ever to talk about.
Speaker 1: I love nothing else than to nerd out on Prince
Speaker 1: conversations with fellow Prince fans. We did this episode back
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, I believe, and I think and.
Speaker 2: Add a bit of trivia Steve. We did this at
Speaker 2: the Record Plan was it or Sunset Sound. We did
Speaker 2: this in Studio two at Sunset Sound. I believe, the
Speaker 2: same room that Prince created a lot of nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: Special episode. So it's sort of a purple roundtable. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know, I got to have luminaries with me former
Speaker 1: QL site boss Bill ruth of Art, Prince's former chief
Speaker 1: of staff. Ruth is Art Duwayne Tadao, who wrote, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, probably two of the best kind of Prince
Speaker 1: anthologies as far as like his creative process.
Speaker 2: You need to get those two books. These are must haves.
Speaker 1: The first one Prints in the Purple Rain Era Studio
Speaker 1: Sessions and his follow up book, Prince in the Parade
Speaker 1: and Sign of the Time Studio Sessions is kind of
Speaker 1: a daily diary of how Prince created those three masterpiece
Speaker 1: records and all the ensuing work he did in between
Speaker 1: for his protege's at the time.
Speaker 2: Was Sheila E and the Apollonius six and whatnot. Last,
Speaker 2: but not least, that's you be talking.
Speaker 1: World class photographer, and you know he's done stuff with
Speaker 1: Chappelle and done stuff with Lady Kravit's, but you know
Speaker 1: he's probably the biggest Prince fanatic and.
Speaker 3: Collector.
Speaker 2: He has just monstrous. I mean, just listen to the episode, y'all.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be this long. Welcome to the Purple Round
Speaker 2: tae QLs Classic.
Speaker 4: M You know, ladies and gentlemen, sometimes when the name
Speaker 4: of the show that you host has your name in it,
Speaker 4: sometimes you get to do things that you want. And
Speaker 4: we're going to do an off the cover episode of
Speaker 4: course Love Supreme right now, and we kind of have
Speaker 4: a saw, say a Purple Supreme team committee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we kicked everybody else out in the studio and.
Speaker 1: Proem no no, no disrespect to our team Supreme. But
Speaker 1: you know, one of the I feel though, in my
Speaker 1: life the two most dangerous things to have as far
Speaker 1: as discussion concern is politics. Ever, yeah, politics pars in Purple,
Speaker 1: and I try and avoid both, uh at least with
Speaker 1: all my might.
Speaker 2: But somehow I felt very safe. I will say that.
Speaker 3: This is uh a rare.
Speaker 1: Moment which I'm certain that in the company of Prince
Speaker 1: associates that I'm with that this is the moment in
Speaker 1: which I know the least about Prince, and I'm actually
Speaker 1: fine with that.
Speaker 2: I'm actually fine.
Speaker 1: So in our circle, of course, we have bost Bill uh,
Speaker 1: producer of course of Supreme UH.
Speaker 2: And to his left we have Ruth.
Speaker 1: I know I got it wrong, Arsati. I've never said
Speaker 1: your last name on life, even though I've known you
Speaker 1: for eons. Ruth is you know, Ruth has been P's
Speaker 1: right hand for a significant period of his life, I
Speaker 1: guess between the musicology period and up until thirty one
Speaker 1: twenty or a little bit after that.
Speaker 5: Lotus Flower. So it was like almost twenty ten, like
Speaker 5: in the middle of twenty ten. So in Prince here
Speaker 5: is it have been like one hundred and forty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I as knowing you as I know you.
Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, if you've seen the bit that I did
Speaker 1: about finding Nemo, Ruth was the person that had to
Speaker 1: make magic happen for me on my blind datement.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Ruth is you know.
Speaker 1: She she's a first hand witness to his hard work.
Speaker 1: And we're glad you're here. And to her left we
Speaker 1: have Dwayne Toddell, who too.
Speaker 6: Doll, I said, you said you put the wrong and
Speaker 6: fastest on the wrong syllable.
Speaker 2: With cactus.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, So, and you know there's I feel
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm always on dangerous the ground when
Speaker 1: I'm declaring anything prince wise, because it might be an
Speaker 1: over exaggeration or or you know, someone else will get offended.
Speaker 2: But I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just feel as though Dwayne's documentation of a Prince's work,
Speaker 1: not his life, but his work is personally one of
Speaker 1: my favorite A documents because, if anything, I'm more interested
Speaker 1: about his work habits than anything. So Dwayne just released
Speaker 1: his uh newest princi book uh entitled give him the title.
Speaker 7: First book Princeton the Marine Eras Studio Sessions nineteen eighty
Speaker 7: three nineteen.
Speaker 2: Eighty four, which he thoroughly. Yeah, I got questions for you, bruh.
Speaker 1: And to his left Matthew Beton, Matthew Beton, the white guy.
Speaker 2: From the Chapelle special with Them.
Speaker 1: Book, Yeah, photographery Shortinar and I you know, I mean you,
Speaker 1: your degree of purplelogy is above.
Speaker 2: You know, I bound, your presence, your knowledge is amazing.
Speaker 1: So just briefly and going in a circle, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just curious at people's beginnings.
Speaker 2: So Bill, when did you When did I first discover Prince? Yea,
Speaker 2: this is no. This is actually a.
Speaker 6: Story I love to tell and I hate telling stories
Speaker 6: about my life. My first memory ever is me in
Speaker 6: a pair of red Footy pajamas in the basement of
Speaker 6: my parents house in South ben Indiana, in front of
Speaker 6: the floor model television had the built built in stereo
Speaker 6: in it, and Little Red Corvette was playing on the radio.
Speaker 6: And that is my very first memory.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, So did it affect you anyway or did
Speaker 1: you know you just remember that the song was on?
Speaker 2: Was it like, oh shit?
Speaker 6: I don't remember why I don't. I don't know why
Speaker 6: I remember that, but I just remember that moment. And
Speaker 6: then another one of my other early childhood memories is
Speaker 6: me and my sister at her friend Terry Hill's house
Speaker 6: listening to nineteen ninety nine and forty five.
Speaker 2: How old were you in eighty two? Two going on three?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a early so you were three when you first? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: i'll see Ruth. Your first Prince encounter.
Speaker 5: Encounter or memory memory? Well, I mean I grew up
Speaker 5: in church, so did I. I wasn't allowed to listen
Speaker 5: to any secular music. So I remember there's this kid
Speaker 5: I went to my school and he used to wear
Speaker 5: makeup and I didn't understand why you would wear makeup,
Speaker 5: And it was because he was a huge Prince fan.
Speaker 5: And the only thing I knew about Princess. He was
Speaker 5: on our prayer list because braying him to Jesus because
Speaker 5: he was, as my mother said, he's a homosexual demonac
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was like, that's my first Prince memory.
Speaker 5: So when I got the when I got the gig,
Speaker 5: go Prince, I literally did not tell my mom for
Speaker 5: about four months.
Speaker 2: What did you tell though? H? Yeah, I did well.
Speaker 5: He just like rolled his eyes and I was like,
Speaker 5: what you were like masturbating in a bathtub? Like what
Speaker 5: are people supposed to think? I don't do those things anymore.
Speaker 5: I'm like, well you used to.
Speaker 7: Uh probably Hearing Controversy was my first memory, but.
Speaker 8: In time in eighty one, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: And then in college nineteen ninety nine was the album
Speaker 7: we used to play in our suite or quad and
Speaker 7: just it was before it really hit.
Speaker 8: And it was fun.
Speaker 7: Just kind of a bunch of us just listened to that,
Speaker 7: and also we go to dances. I was in college
Speaker 7: at the time when eighty two and that was the
Speaker 7: girls were listening to Prince, and I wanted to be
Speaker 7: around the girls. So I just said, I will learn
Speaker 7: to enjoy this music.
Speaker 6: And I think you learned to do a little bit
Speaker 6: more than enjoy it, That's true.
Speaker 7: True, And I and once I started seeing the depth
Speaker 7: of what he had, you know, backs of forty fives
Speaker 7: and stuff like this, and you know, you start to
Speaker 7: become a completist. And so I just ended up buying
Speaker 7: everything because old Horny Toad's on the back of this
Speaker 7: or something like that. So I just went nuts and
Speaker 7: then you know Perverrain and Pervrain was the date movie
Speaker 7: that summer.
Speaker 2: Ah, I see, Matt Well.
Speaker 9: I came to visit my mom here in la in
Speaker 9: eighty two because she moved here in eighty two. You
Speaker 9: I was from Paris. I was still living in Paris,
Speaker 9: and I went to Tower Records on Sunset and heard let's
Speaker 9: pretend We're married. So that's my first moment.
Speaker 2: God, that was your introduction.
Speaker 9: That's christ and I remember literally thinking, can we Carson
Speaker 9: here now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Fuck Michael Jackson, That's what I remember thinking. I was
Speaker 9: such a Michael fan, and all of a sudden, I
Speaker 9: was like, what is this Forget Michael Jackson and I
Speaker 9: became hooked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my first.
Speaker 9: Speak I didn't speak English like I do now, but
Speaker 9: I remember thinking like, Okay, this is cool. I went
Speaker 9: and bought the twelve inch and then it was all
Speaker 9: over from there. I wish I could say it was
Speaker 9: you know, for you, but that was my first real
Speaker 9: prince moment. That is a hell of a way to
Speaker 9: get I drove everybody crazy too with that song, because yeah,
Speaker 9: even my mom liked it, unlike she really like.
Speaker 2: That was my first traumatic prince movement. Because punishment. No,
Speaker 2: but just the.
Speaker 1: When I heard I want to fuck you so bad
Speaker 1: it hurts, Like, I ran in the studio and took
Speaker 1: that shit off with the I was like, yo, what hell?
Speaker 2: Like I didn't know what I was getting into.
Speaker 1: Like by that point, you know, he was, you know,
Speaker 1: well not safe to listen to, because my dad was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't trust that boy in a diaper.
Speaker 3: You know, was I was nine years old, you remember that.
Speaker 9: So that was like getting hooked on prints through that
Speaker 9: at nine years old and bringing it back to friends
Speaker 9: where they didn't really know what the hell he was
Speaker 9: saying anyway, yikes, And so they let me you know,
Speaker 9: that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I guess I think I told her before, but.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: It's nineteen seventy eight, so I was seven years old
Speaker 1: and my dad had just told my mom that her
Speaker 1: my grandfather had died, and so this is like the
Speaker 1: first traumatic experience of the household. And my mom like
Speaker 1: you just this blood curling scream and her on her knees,
Speaker 1: crying and crying and crying and crying.
Speaker 2: So wait, I thought this was an ask rufus story.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, this is uh She's like on
Speaker 1: her knees crying, and now I was crying that they had.
Speaker 2: To go on the road. Oh, okay, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: But my sister Drrin like instantly scooped me up and
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out a safe place for me
Speaker 1: to be because you know, I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh, what's wrong, Mommy, what's wrong with mom?
Speaker 1: And she just grabbed some headphones, plucked it into the
Speaker 1: stereo and said, here, put this on now at the time,
Speaker 1: and she turned up the volume.
Speaker 2: At the time, I remember.
Speaker 1: Street Wave by Brothers Johnson was on, but Doug Henderson,
Speaker 1: our afternoon DJ of WDSFM, debuted Soft and Wet right
Speaker 1: after that. And the first thing I thought about instantly
Speaker 1: was Larry Graham based on his synthesizer work. And well
Speaker 1: I later found out that he recorded did he record
Speaker 1: it the same studio as as.
Speaker 2: Graham Central Station? They both recorded that record planning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that sort of worldly synthesizer, like, that's the
Speaker 1: same synthesizer that Graham Centers Central Station with youth. And
Speaker 1: so I always made the association that this has to
Speaker 1: be Larry Graham associated because of this worldly synthesizer thing,
Speaker 1: and the whole.
Speaker 2: Tell me do you love me? Like I twenty years
Speaker 2: earlier with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I just felt that like it It didn't
Speaker 1: knock me out or anything like. It wasn't like a
Speaker 1: moment because even then, like I was lukewarm on Prince,
Speaker 1: like my sister and her girlfriend's thought he was like
Speaker 1: cute and all that stuff. But you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: until I did the The Time association. I Love the Time,
Speaker 1: and then it was like, oh, they sound like, oh,
Speaker 1: I get it their associate with him, and then that's
Speaker 1: how I got in the prints.
Speaker 2: So I kind of had to catch up.
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those people like, yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: down with Dirty Mine since nineteen eighty, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of had to go backwards. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of weird that the album that I take advantage of
Speaker 1: the most, which like because everything's so incredible, like controversy
Speaker 1: always gets lost in the sauce, but all of us
Speaker 1: are saying, practically half of us the saying controversy was
Speaker 1: the the thing that pulled us in.
Speaker 7: When I first heard Controversy, I was before I liked
Speaker 7: funk music, but I was a fan of like Kiss
Speaker 7: and the biggest thing, you know, the dirtiest thing they
Speaker 7: were saying is Christine sixteen exactly, and so it's like
Speaker 7: that's all I knew, And I was like, oh, I
Speaker 7: saw you walking home from school that day, you know,
Speaker 7: which is you know, looking back, it's really kind of bubbleguming.
Speaker 7: But at the time in Lectrius, you know, you don't
Speaker 7: realize how letrous Chiane Simmons was.
Speaker 2: But I just found out Christine sixteen.
Speaker 1: It's a sample for what's tone looks second single that's
Speaker 1: Christine sixteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I found out a year ago.
Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, no controversy was I said, definitely
Speaker 7: got my interest that the riff that you hear that
Speaker 7: ended up being in the family stuff. It's the same,
Speaker 7: you know that, the same thing that he used over
Speaker 7: and over. But I remember hearing that when I was
Speaker 7: running track, and that was one of these things that
Speaker 7: I would use as a metronome when I was running.
Speaker 8: Really yeah, I did pole vault in high school. I
Speaker 8: know five six.
Speaker 7: I can see it as I did do it.
Speaker 1: So we're in Sunset Sound Studios right now, and which
Speaker 1: is why, you know, I guess Bill and I thought
Speaker 1: that it would be cool to sort of have this
Speaker 1: meaning because this is the place where a lot of
Speaker 1: his key songs and his songwriting and his craftsmanship.
Speaker 2: Really came to light.
Speaker 1: So one, why did you when did this? When did
Speaker 1: it come from? An idea? Oh, I should document the
Speaker 1: creative and to you actually getting into it, Like, what
Speaker 1: was the.
Speaker 7: You're talking to me? I assume yes, I'm sorry the
Speaker 7: audience can't see.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 7: I used to work for a magazine called Uptown and
Speaker 7: with Pere Nilsen, and we we wrote The Vault, the
Speaker 7: book The Vault, and we thought wouldn't it be cool
Speaker 7: to expand that, you know? And I came just a
Speaker 7: lot of the information for the Vault was from here
Speaker 7: Sunset Sound, and I came here and asked them.
Speaker 8: You know, can I get the work orders?
Speaker 7: Just arrogant that question, I guess, and they said yes,
Speaker 7: and they let me zerox. And the funny thing is,
Speaker 7: as I'm Xeroxingdom, I'm thinking at any time they're going
Speaker 7: to come in here and say, who the fuck are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, even with the Vault, like
Speaker 1: how did you get information?
Speaker 7: That's the thing I just I asked and they said sure,
Speaker 7: and I when I got them, they said, you know,
Speaker 7: there's certain things we don't want you to show in here,
Speaker 7: and I thought, that's fair. You're giving me eight hundred
Speaker 7: pages of documents. And as I got him, I'm like
Speaker 7: feeling like maybe I should go to my car fast
Speaker 7: just in case.
Speaker 8: In the party. Lie said, but that's the guy who
Speaker 8: is he?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 7: And so I got him and they've been great. They
Speaker 7: they I started looking through him, and they're not always
Speaker 7: as accurate as you as you want. Sometimes Prince would
Speaker 7: just say what's your middle name and he'd write down
Speaker 7: Colleen or something like that, So that's not always as
Speaker 7: detailed as you want. But there's a lot of great stuff,
Speaker 7: like in this room. I was looking through the things
Speaker 7: to see what was done here. I don't think he
Speaker 7: recorded much in here, but they remixed. They mixed the
Speaker 7: Let's Work twelve inch in here, and the ice cream
Speaker 7: castle was compiled in here, and I think probably edited
Speaker 7: in here as well. I think Steve Parknoley was in
Speaker 7: the in the control room doing that.
Speaker 2: We're in studio one S one versus.
Speaker 7: He just basically mostly worked in three and two. Two
Speaker 7: was the one he did a lot of stuff in,
Speaker 7: but three became its own. It's its own Uh, it's
Speaker 7: it's self contained. It's got a bathroom and all this stuff.
Speaker 7: So when he was doing most of his big stuff,
Speaker 7: he would be there. So nobody goes into three. Two
Speaker 7: people you know, see and then you see the basketball
Speaker 7: court run in between the two. So he'd go out
Speaker 7: there and occasionally see people and stuff like that. But
Speaker 7: he did most of his working two and three and
Speaker 7: and the first thing he did was in eighty one,
Speaker 7: August eighty one, I think he did the Studio three.
Speaker 7: That was stuff for controversy.
Speaker 1: We still can't get in the Studio three studio book today.
Speaker 8: But did you guys go to Studio two?
Speaker 2: No, no, we didn't go too is.
Speaker 7: Open seriously, you should look. We went over there earlier
Speaker 7: while you guys were yacking early.
Speaker 8: And it was great. It's I've been a couple of times.
Speaker 7: But it's just you go in the room and you
Speaker 7: think this is where Prince, you know, not just Prince.
Speaker 7: This is the van Halen the doors. Led Zeppelin had
Speaker 7: so many bands recorded here.
Speaker 8: This is in Princess kind of.
Speaker 7: A footnote on all the stuff that they done it.
Speaker 7: This is a long term studio. These do Disney stuff here, right,
Speaker 7: So this is this is and and so I interviewed
Speaker 7: most of the engineers that worked here, Peggy McCreery and
Speaker 7: Coke Johnson and Susan Rodgers as you know Susan, and
Speaker 7: they kind of told me the stories and I started
Speaker 7: realizing this is a book. And a couple of years
Speaker 7: ago my wife said, are you gonna shitter?
Speaker 8: Get off the pot?
Speaker 7: Basically, you know, are you gonna write a book or not?
Speaker 7: And I thought, yeah, I did. And I got finished
Speaker 7: with a book about a month before Prince passed. I
Speaker 7: finished it in March of twenty sixteen, and I thought,
Speaker 7: this is great. I'm all excited. And then Prince passed
Speaker 7: and I literally thought, do I bother? Because I didn't
Speaker 7: want to seem like an opportunist, and so I got
Speaker 7: in touch with a lot of people I interviewed and
Speaker 7: they said, no, this is history.
Speaker 8: You should put it out.
Speaker 7: And so I found a publisher and found a guy
Speaker 7: to write the forward for me.
Speaker 8: And I tell you I'm s debt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still heartbroken about Miko's comments to you.
Speaker 8: Oh I know, he's like, see me, he was coming
Speaker 8: whose quest? I never met him. And he's it in
Speaker 8: all caps too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so small man, I'm like, yo, dog, I'm like
Speaker 2: your biggest champion. I was rooting for you during that fight.
Speaker 7: But he was uh so yeah, when when You've got
Speaker 7: attached to this, it sent it through the roof because
Speaker 7: you open so many doors.
Speaker 8: This is an honor.
Speaker 7: I know I'm saying this brown nosing right here, but
Speaker 7: it's an honor to share the cover with you because,
Speaker 7: uh you know, it's honestly the the connections you have.
Speaker 7: And you know, any documentary you look at about MJ
Speaker 7: or Prince you're in and and so it's.
Speaker 2: Any music documentary.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know. So, so I'm just hoping to ride
Speaker 8: your tail music music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's important, like to me.
Speaker 1: And again, I know that Prince's life is an obsession
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. But for me, the thing
Speaker 1: that I want people to take away from it, which
Speaker 1: is why I'm so obsessed with all the rehearsal stuff
Speaker 1: and all the sound check stuff and all you know,
Speaker 1: the work order things and those you know, how many
Speaker 1: hours did he take the track? This thing is is
Speaker 1: it's because I really want to hammer the point home
Speaker 1: that the importance of being true to your craft and
Speaker 1: rehearsal and being bored and being creative, and like, that's
Speaker 1: the things that I'm that I'm obsessed with.
Speaker 7: When I remember when was it cam that gave you
Speaker 7: the couple sheets of this somebody one of the guys
Speaker 7: that have several guys that worked on this with me,
Speaker 7: And the comment I got from you was holy shit,
Speaker 7: because you saw the stuff for August of eighty three,
Speaker 7: and that gave me so much hope because you're writing
Speaker 7: a vacuum and you never know if people are going
Speaker 7: to enjoy this. Not been a fan. Here's the thing,
Speaker 7: I've been a fan for years. I've known Matthew. Matthew,
Speaker 7: I've known each other three decades, and we used to
Speaker 7: get together and listen to uh, you know back when
Speaker 7: you'd buy an album that had you know, a song
Speaker 7: pretty face it was, you know, exact titles.
Speaker 5: On the Chocolate Box.
Speaker 8: So weird, we're having a brd off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so who was your first boot leg?
Speaker 7: Oh god, it was probably the Chocolate Box, or or
Speaker 7: it was a Royal Jewels Maybe what.
Speaker 2: Was your first boot leg?
Speaker 3: I feel like vital it was charade was going. I
Speaker 3: remember my friend Benjamin barn.
Speaker 9: It never gave it back and I was super pissed
Speaker 9: because I paid, like, you know, one hundred bucks for
Speaker 9: and you didn't think.
Speaker 2: That you'd ever hear it again.
Speaker 6: Bill, mine was the ninety three Bagley's Warehouse after show
Speaker 6: because from ninety three Sacrifice of Victor.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I love, I love. I loved his guitar solo
Speaker 2: on the Ride.
Speaker 6: I saw it late night on BT once and I
Speaker 6: had to find out, you know, if that audio was anywhere,
Speaker 6: and I got on like the Paisley Park, well, the PPML.
Speaker 7: I remember the PPML very well, and I remember AOL
Speaker 7: used to have the chats Sunday Night Paisley.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna like said, the Paisley Park chat room is
Speaker 6: actually how I got my first job in New York.
Speaker 2: Really. Yeah, we'll tell that story later, but really there's.
Speaker 7: A lot of guys together jobs from that because but
Speaker 7: Sam Jennings used to be a collector and he was
Speaker 7: the same way he.
Speaker 2: Ended up working with Prince.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Bill and I have kind of this joke with each other.
Speaker 1: He's mad at me because like in my head, I
Speaker 1: always closed the door after eighty eight, like there's only
Speaker 1: room in my heart from seventy eight to eighty eight. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, I have everything, and I acknowledge that there's
Speaker 1: there's greatness even after eighty eight. But for me, just
Speaker 1: you know, the things that I hold near and deer
Speaker 1: are just seventy eight eighty eight.
Speaker 8: There's a big butt after eighty with you, and he.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he always like puts something in my face like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is ninety four, you know, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: here's the.
Speaker 7: Thing is I had to write about those, it would
Speaker 7: be a little tougher for me because my heart is
Speaker 7: eighty to eighty one into eighty eight and maybe even
Speaker 7: a little bit of eighty nine Love Sexy Tour Ending.
Speaker 7: But after you know, Batman, I'm like Graffiti Bridge. I
Speaker 7: was like, you know, in Diamonds and Pearls, he was
Speaker 7: trying to be pop, and it was it's good for whatever.
Speaker 2: It's enough.
Speaker 8: I mean, exactly, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: Four hundred songs are enough to write, and.
Speaker 7: I was and I was totally good with that amount.
Speaker 7: And if I just had to focus on that amount,
Speaker 7: I'd be good, you know. But the you know, the
Speaker 7: guy's got another thirty years after that, so.
Speaker 2: You know, so Ruth, I have to ask.
Speaker 1: Because during this particular period that we're talking about, I
Speaker 1: know that a lot of his time and a lot
Speaker 1: of his hours were in the studio and he kept
Speaker 1: tireless hours of working around the clock or whatever. What
Speaker 1: was his regiment from when did you first come aboard?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: As a musicology tour started twenty four two in three,
Speaker 5: two thousand and four, and he, uh, you know Dave Hampton,
Speaker 5: I think you know the engineer. He created this mobile
Speaker 5: recording studio for him, so as he came into la
Speaker 5: we would run out of places and he would be
Speaker 5: up to all hours of the night. But specifically, one
Speaker 5: memory I have that stands out. Uh we were it
Speaker 5: was we were on a break from musicology and we
Speaker 5: were in Minnesota and it was like the dead of winter.
Speaker 5: And actually I made a comment to a friend on
Speaker 5: the phone and I was like, damn, it is so
Speaker 5: cold out here. My nipples could cut glass. And then
Speaker 5: I'm not kidding. The next day I walked into Studio
Speaker 5: A and he was playing a song called Glass. I
Speaker 5: was like, motherfucker, did hear me? I was like, I
Speaker 5: got paranoid. I got super paranoid after that. But I
Speaker 5: was in there and I was like, oh my god, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: he's like he was there's a couple of stories of him.
Speaker 6: The entire building was was miked, right, Yeah, so there
Speaker 6: was a rumor to that.
Speaker 5: Yeah it was Mike, but it wasn't on and there
Speaker 5: were no cameras there. There were never any surveys cameras.
Speaker 5: But he would creep up on you and no listen.
Speaker 5: He would I was. I was like, I was like,
Speaker 5: there was like a Smashing Pumpkins gold album or something
Speaker 5: on the wall. I'm like, Smadhing Pumpkin, what are they
Speaker 5: doing there? And then I hear they recorded and I
Speaker 5: was like, I screamed, and I'm like, why doesn't somebody
Speaker 5: put a cow bell on you? And he's like, never mind.
Speaker 5: He's like Kim, because Kim was with me and she
Speaker 5: was doing his hair. At two in the morning anyway,
Speaker 5: we were we were in the studio and I was like, damn,
Speaker 5: I need to I need to go to sleep. And
Speaker 5: it was three. It was about two in the morning
Speaker 5: and we had been there since too in like maybe noon,
Speaker 5: two in the afternoon. And he's like, Ruth, I want
Speaker 5: a house and I'm like, uh, okay, what does that mean.
Speaker 5: He's like, I want to run a house in La
Speaker 5: And I'm like, okay, so find me one. I'm like,
Speaker 5: it's just like two in the morning. It's like, what
Speaker 5: am I gonna do? So I go online. I end
Speaker 5: up finding this house like within an hour, because he
Speaker 5: comes back like he wants it now, so like he
Speaker 5: comes back twenty minutes like I'm like, I just got
Speaker 5: on the computer and he's like, okay, I'll be back.
Speaker 5: And so I find this this home and it's it's
Speaker 5: thirty one twenty one and then there's a street name
Speaker 5: after that. I just don't want to like out where
Speaker 5: it is, but he uh looks at it. It's the
Speaker 5: title of the album. So he comes in, he looks
Speaker 5: at them. He's like, have you found anything yet? And
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my god, it's been an hour. I
Speaker 5: have like three I have three places so far. What
Speaker 5: do you think. He sees the first image and it's
Speaker 5: thirty one twenty one and he's like that one. I
Speaker 5: want that one, and I'm like, you don't want to
Speaker 5: look at the rest? Nope, Nope, that's it, and then
Speaker 5: he goes in and by now it's like maybe three
Speaker 5: in the morning, and he goes in the studio and
Speaker 5: I hear like all the syncopation, and I hear like,
Speaker 5: you know, the beats, and I'm like, when am I
Speaker 5: going to be able to gold Man? I'm so sleepy,
Speaker 5: and it's four in the morning, Like I get all
Speaker 5: the information. I email, you know, the the agent for
Speaker 5: this home, and he's like, do we have the house?
Speaker 5: He comes back like at four and I'm like, do
Speaker 5: we have the house yet? And I'm like no, it's
Speaker 5: like three. It looks like two in the morning in La, No,
Speaker 5: we don't have the house. And then he goes okay,
Speaker 5: and then six in the morning I hear the fully
Speaker 5: finished thirty one twenty one, the whole song Wow, So
Speaker 5: it was pretty much done by four because I could
Speaker 5: hear it, and I was like, that's kind of funky.
Speaker 5: I really like that song. Actually, it was really funny
Speaker 5: because you know, I got to hear because he would
Speaker 5: open he left. It was just he and I at Paisley,
Speaker 5: so he would leave the studio open, and I could
Speaker 5: hear him like mix in and like you know, you
Speaker 5: know the strains of you know, each instrument, and I
Speaker 5: was like, what does he just does he just do that?
Speaker 2: Like just now now you have to find that house?
Speaker 5: Yeah? No, I was like, I was like, no, pressure here,
Speaker 5: Like I have no pressure at all. But yeah, we
Speaker 5: ended up we ended up moving into that house and
Speaker 5: it was the start of like this whole era of
Speaker 5: like house parties and madness and I hate it every
Speaker 5: minute of it.
Speaker 2: Parties.
Speaker 5: You were hustling like who's in town. I'm like, like
Speaker 5: I know, like I knew anybody that group of church,
Speaker 5: Like I barely knew who people. When you guys are
Speaker 5: speaking about bootlegs, it was all swakily to me, I
Speaker 5: don't know what chea I was talking about.
Speaker 8: Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 7: Okay, you were talking about something and I want to
Speaker 7: see what your take on this is a lot of
Speaker 7: people have said that Prince had an energy that he
Speaker 7: could either radiate attention that you had to stay at pettige,
Speaker 7: or he could be under the radar completely like all
Speaker 7: of a sudden, like you said, just show up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he was. It was interesting in clubs
Speaker 5: because you could see him walk into a club and
Speaker 5: you couldn't see him, but you could see the gravitational
Speaker 5: pull of people just like it was like he drew
Speaker 5: energy and attention and he would also take your soul,
Speaker 5: so like if you were if you like talk to
Speaker 5: him like sometimes you would talk to you and you
Speaker 5: get a lecture for three hours and I'd.
Speaker 2: Walk out the three You're lucky.
Speaker 5: That's a that's a light night.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's the story behind that.
Speaker 1: What's the I mean, you know what it's it's like
Speaker 1: the whole be careful of your Yeah, like I caught
Speaker 1: I mean I joke and say that, you know when
Speaker 1: black men find religion like lay low for like at
Speaker 1: least three to five years because that's all they want
Speaker 1: to talk about and then they cool off a little bit.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I caught him right and period.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 1: And then first it was like you just walk right
Speaker 1: into the trap. Like the first night, I think it
Speaker 1: was me who want to American Idol, the guy with
Speaker 1: the fake afros that Justin.
Speaker 8: He came in second he didn't win.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well Justin loves what Justin Kelly? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like Kelly, Justin, me and Common.
Speaker 1: At as a random dog. We were in Harlem, somee
Speaker 1: some Harlem, resting in a random place. Yeah, Justin Kelly
Speaker 1: Clarkson Quest and Common walking to it's almost yeah, And
Speaker 1: it started there and we thought we escaped it. And
Speaker 1: then the next night that's when he came to Electric
Speaker 1: Ladies Studios.
Speaker 2: We were working on Common.
Speaker 1: Jimmy was a rock star, and he heard the mix
Speaker 1: and then almost borderline started quasi mixing. He's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: turn up his voice and turned this down.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: And then no, I mean he was cool. And then
Speaker 1: he worked on Star sixty nine and then the only
Speaker 1: way I can describe it is the front cover of
Speaker 1: the Who's the Kids Are all Right?
Speaker 2: Remember the four of them sleep on it? That was
Speaker 2: me Blau Common and.
Speaker 1: Ah, it was a fourth person I forget. But we
Speaker 1: were just sitting on the floor and he was like
Speaker 1: talking to us like a coach.
Speaker 2: Like if you imagine.
Speaker 1: Remember those Tom and Jerry cartoons where you only see
Speaker 1: the mom's like Niees Thomas or even Muppet babies, we
Speaker 1: only see the nannies knees. Like we're all sitting on
Speaker 1: the floor and he's just walking back and forth like
Speaker 1: a coach, uh, talking about anyone's best.
Speaker 2: Have you've seen this happen before, haven't you.
Speaker 1: Blau was new to this and he's you know, Bla
Speaker 1: was Muslim at the time, so it's just like Muslim
Speaker 1: versus a. Jehovah's witness it was two am, and then
Speaker 1: it was like six am, and I just thought like, man,
Speaker 1: it's like you've been waiting all your life to be friends.
Speaker 2: With this guy.
Speaker 5: Like you guys didn't say anything.
Speaker 2: I started snoring and he's still.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, sleep at me and snoring, like.
Speaker 5: I grew up in church. So he couldn't go far.
Speaker 5: He could not go far. He was like, don't start.
Speaker 5: I'm like no, no, no, no, no. He's caughting some stuff
Speaker 5: at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then there was a period where he was like
Speaker 1: Debo and Friday to me, Like there was a good
Speaker 1: part of two thousand and one to like two thousand
Speaker 1: and three where I would just run the other way.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, you're running from your idol. Like I
Speaker 2: just can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just couldn't. I couldn't take another because
Speaker 1: he just wear you out. And you want to know
Speaker 1: things like so the Lynn drumm you used on What's.
Speaker 2: Up with the Editor at the end of I don't
Speaker 2: want to lose you? Right, exactly exactly. He don't want
Speaker 2: to talk about that.
Speaker 1: So and that's the thing when when the Night of
Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, when Chappelle, me
Speaker 1: and Neil Brennan went to see him perform at the
Speaker 1: after party. Were you there doing the Spirit? Were we
Speaker 1: friends then? Were in that hotel or that?
Speaker 5: But I wasn't you. We hadn't met yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say I would have remembered you.
Speaker 1: And you know, he invited us to the hotel thing,
Speaker 1: and so I didn't realize that the elevator opens up
Speaker 1: inside the apartment.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking that, okay, we're going to a hotel.
Speaker 2: Elevator is going to open.
Speaker 1: We'll be in a hallway and then we'll knock on
Speaker 1: the door and YadA, YadA, YadA. So in typical television
Speaker 1: sitcom fashion, my back is to the elevated door, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: Give Dave and Neil advice.
Speaker 1: A seventeen second crash course run, which I said, guys, wait,
Speaker 1: I just thought of something. Look, he's really really big
Speaker 1: on religion, so you know, because the thing was like
Speaker 1: Neil was just like, hey, like okay, this is going
Speaker 1: to be like I was like, no, like that prince
Speaker 1: you're thinking of, like he doesn't exist a moren it's religion.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: They laughed, like religion.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I'm dead serious, like matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I said, we need a safe word.
Speaker 2: So the elevator doors closed.
Speaker 1: I said, look, we need a safe work because what
Speaker 1: you guys don't know is that he's going like really
Speaker 1: big on religion and stuff and don't curse and da
Speaker 1: da da da da da da da.
Speaker 2: And the door is open.
Speaker 1: And I swear to God it and like they yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like continuum mirror.
Speaker 2: He was right behind me and it was.
Speaker 1: But the thing is that what I didn't know about
Speaker 1: Dave is Dave lives for an audience, like the most awkward.
Speaker 1: I went, Dave with me in any he can talk
Speaker 1: you out in any situation.
Speaker 2: I think Dave could talk. He could.
Speaker 1: I'm about to give me the helter Skelter reference. What's
Speaker 1: his name who just recently done? He could talk Charles
Speaker 1: Manson off of death Row and out of it. He
Speaker 1: can talk out of any situation. And we walked into
Speaker 1: what looked like to be a prayer meeting.
Speaker 2: It was like the.
Speaker 1: Crams his then wife, her Canadian family, and well her
Speaker 1: family is from Canada, right, her family and instantly like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give the eye like and Dave was
Speaker 1: one of those people. Is where it's like if you
Speaker 1: tell him no, it's a yesday.
Speaker 2: He got right. He had a captive.
Speaker 1: Audience, and then I just once religion started, then I
Speaker 1: just inched my way out of it and left. But
Speaker 1: those guys stayed till like seven in the morning, and.
Speaker 6: I would have stuck around to watch Prince and Dave
Speaker 6: Chappelle talk about her religion. I can only imagine what
Speaker 6: that conversation was like, Man, I just interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I mean I used to listen to it as a fan,
Speaker 9: you know. I'd be like, Okay, I'm such a Prince fan.
Speaker 9: I'm going to let him talk to me for three
Speaker 9: hours about this stuff, you know. But I remember there
Speaker 9: was a moment at that house, the thirty one to
Speaker 9: twenty one house, where we were talking about you know,
Speaker 9: not religion, talk about music and something else, and he's like,
Speaker 9: follow me. I'm like, I finally orright, Prince said follow me,
Speaker 9: and I walked. I walked through the whole house, long story, short,
Speaker 9: down the stairs, through the room, end up in his
Speaker 9: bedroom like all this shit.
Speaker 3: He's got the.
Speaker 9: Symbol pillows and the purple Da da da, and then
Speaker 9: he opens a closet and hands me like a bible
Speaker 9: and all this stuff. And I was like, man, I
Speaker 9: thought he was gonna give me an ascetate.
Speaker 3: Or I wish you have, you know, and.
Speaker 8: I've been saving.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and he's like, I want you to read this
Speaker 9: to your kids because we're that's why we were.
Speaker 3: Talking about my children.
Speaker 9: And I'm like and I was like, well, I'm Jewish
Speaker 9: and I don't really do religion. And the next day
Speaker 9: the next day, maybe Ruth, you gave him my address.
Speaker 9: The next day people came knocking on the door.
Speaker 5: Listen. I had a Jehovah when my door, and I
Speaker 5: had boxes of bibles and tracks, and I was I
Speaker 5: had been into I had got into a really big
Speaker 5: fight with prince and I was like, oh we're here.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you know what I work for, Jehovah's Witness.
Speaker 5: Wy don't you come in the back and take your boxes.
Speaker 5: I'm about to burn that will And she was like what,
Speaker 5: oh no, and no, I'm like you can bring your supervisor.
Speaker 5: You could come and talk to me about church and
Speaker 5: like Bible and stuff. I know my Bible, but you like.
Speaker 5: I was so mad. I took it out on the
Speaker 5: poor lady.
Speaker 2: Wait.
Speaker 5: But they came in. They got the boxes of tracks.
Speaker 2: Was there, ever, what was the end game to.
Speaker 1: His religious talk or his wanting to convert, Like, was there, well,
Speaker 1: was there one person that was like, okay, like I'm
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox, Yes, I'll come with you the kingdom?
Speaker 2: Was he? Like? What was the.
Speaker 5: So so part of the you know, not to clown
Speaker 5: on any religion or anything, but part of you know,
Speaker 5: what they do is is they have to log in hours.
Speaker 5: So your name at two's name, my name is in
Speaker 5: a calendar. It says Ruth four hours, a mirror two
Speaker 5: hours or twenty hours, you know, and it would say
Speaker 5: he would write everybody's name down this calendar, so it
Speaker 5: was kind of a log book of how many people
Speaker 5: he spoke to about, you know, the religion and all that.
Speaker 5: So it's kind of like it is to convert people.
Speaker 5: It's their ways of proselytizing. But you know, I would
Speaker 5: I'm not a person. I'm kind of a mouthy individual.
Speaker 5: So do you think really it's a little bits a
Speaker 5: little bit. So I had to pick and choose the
Speaker 5: stuff that I would you know, combat like with him
Speaker 5: like that I would get into and that would be
Speaker 5: one of them because it was like, you know, you can't.
Speaker 5: You can't. I mean, you can't really talk. I grew
Speaker 5: up in church an all and all like Pentecostal Zionists,
Speaker 5: you know, Charismatic Methodists. I've gone to all of them,
Speaker 5: and so you know, I understand part of the the
Speaker 5: lull of religion. And I knew what he was doing,
Speaker 5: and I was like, you can't, you can't, like you can't.
Speaker 2: Swing me into this kingdom hallway.
Speaker 5: Oh all the time. And I used to look at him. Okay,
Speaker 5: so no diss to Jehovah's witness, but I am gonna
Speaker 5: kind of diss. Their music is awful. It's all. It's
Speaker 5: Bible verses with no no melody. It's like they sing
Speaker 5: and Jesus came to the crap like it is. Like
Speaker 5: I would look at Prince like I'm like, how are
Speaker 5: you even listening to this? And he wouldn't sing it.
Speaker 5: He would just look at it and he would just
Speaker 5: kind of have his little finger with his little pinky
Speaker 5: finger up and like follow the words in the hymn book.
Speaker 5: And I was like, I'm dying. I don't even know
Speaker 5: what your musical brain is doing right now. You're probably
Speaker 5: like thing this to pieces and creating like a like
Speaker 5: an opus of some kind, because this is terrible a question.
Speaker 6: Is it true that he wrote a bunch of songs
Speaker 6: for the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Speaker 5: He has like I don't know that he did, but
Speaker 5: I know that he wrote like a lot of songs
Speaker 5: with overtures of you.
Speaker 6: Know, but I heard like that he actually has songs
Speaker 6: in like a in the Hymnal or Jehovah's witness Hymnal.
Speaker 5: I could imagine like after spending.
Speaker 2: Time, did you have an option to not go? Was
Speaker 2: have had go? I'll stay behind her?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you.
Speaker 2: Know I.
Speaker 5: Think that uh, like you know, I wasn't going to
Speaker 5: church at the time, and like when I was in Minnesota,
Speaker 5: I would just go because it's Minnesota. There's there's nothing
Speaker 5: to do, so it might as well go to Kingdom
Speaker 5: Hall and you know, just see, Yeah, I was very
Speaker 5: curious about the religion itself, you know, coming up in church,
Speaker 5: so I was curious to see what their belief systems
Speaker 5: and how they believe. And you know, I've met a
Speaker 5: lot of Jehovah's Witnesses are phenomenal people. And then you know,
Speaker 5: just like in all of their religions, a lot of crappy,
Speaker 5: shitty people as well. So, you know, had a bunch
Speaker 5: of Jehovah's witnesses come to me at a at a show.
Speaker 5: I think it was in Seattle somewhere, and they were
Speaker 5: they were like, we're here for the after party, and
Speaker 5: it was a super private after party and I'm like, uh,
Speaker 5: there's no after party here. Well, we're friends and prince
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I don't know who you are. They're like, oh,
Speaker 5: we're brothers and sisters.
Speaker 2: He went.
Speaker 5: By brother nilson brother, we're his brothers and sisters. I'm like, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think so, oh no, we're Jehovah's witnesses.
Speaker 5: And they wanted to get in based on that alone,
Speaker 5: and I was like, okay, now you know.
Speaker 2: Oh I would have fell for that hook line to
Speaker 2: thinking like oh.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: And I was like that's cool, be good.
Speaker 2: I see so uh Dwayne, yes, sir. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in your in your research, how were you able
Speaker 1: to find out as far as like the length of
Speaker 1: time that songs were spent? Like this is one thing
Speaker 1: to see the work order. And I guess I should
Speaker 1: explain to our audience that, I mean, now, because half
Speaker 1: the stuff is done on computers and personal studios. People
Speaker 1: don't keep meticulous logging like they used to now. In
Speaker 1: my era of having UH and and recording UH on
Speaker 1: our label, like back in the early nineties when the
Speaker 1: Roots first got signed, the assistant's job was basically to snitch,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So if the label's credit
Speaker 1: card was on the room, they would know, okay, how
Speaker 1: much we spent on food? Sure back then, long distance
Speaker 1: phone calls were big. Yeah, like so like everything's you know, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see a mirror called.
Speaker 2: The how did you work on that song on the mirror?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Like so all my time and all the
Speaker 1: that I met and you're whatever, I'd like call from
Speaker 1: the studio that sort of thing. So assistant engineer's job
Speaker 1: was to keep meticulous detail of what we did and
Speaker 1: how long we lily gagged and all those things. So
Speaker 1: what I can I assume that these work orders were
Speaker 1: in the same way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, A lot of times they would have you know,
Speaker 7: and then like you said, this is also the work
Speaker 7: orders are placed to hide things. They would be the
Speaker 7: tattle things, but they'd also be like there's times that
Speaker 7: he may worked in two or three songs, and they
Speaker 7: just were just scrambling through things and just he would
Speaker 7: write down a title. Often I would have to go
Speaker 7: back to I went to the Library of Congress, went
Speaker 7: to the unions that had musicians unions, because Eric Leeds
Speaker 7: was in the Musician Junion. There's also Minneapolis Man Musicians Union,
Speaker 7: which would list Sheila and other people like that. So
Speaker 7: I could tell the time from that stuff, and also
Speaker 7: when strings were done or when they bring a person
Speaker 7: played harp. So there's all this little detail like that
Speaker 7: because people had to get paid, you know, but the
Speaker 7: work owners generally had start at this time end at
Speaker 7: this time. But there'd be times that he would just
Speaker 7: get to the studio and say Peggy, let's go see
Speaker 7: a movie, and they go to the movies and come back,
Speaker 7: or you know, he might step out for a couple
Speaker 7: hours and personally mixing it. But that doesn't mean they're
Speaker 7: doing it the whole time, and that that's where it
Speaker 7: ends up getting a little vague.
Speaker 8: People.
Speaker 7: You know, when I first started doing the interviews in
Speaker 7: like the early mid nineties, I remember asking some of
Speaker 7: these people and they're like, I didn't think that some.
Speaker 8: Prince nerd would be.
Speaker 7: Coming in and asking me about something ten years ago.
Speaker 7: Now I'm asking them, They're like, I didn't know some
Speaker 7: prince near becoming and asking me about stuff having thirty
Speaker 7: years ago so right, And memories get a little faded.
Speaker 7: The you know, you work on stuff for five six
Speaker 7: years with him, guy, you're not gonna remember specific dates.
Speaker 7: But if you got somebody that just did strings, they
Speaker 7: might remember that specific session a whole lot more than
Speaker 7: somebody who's, like I said, Susan Rogers, who Susan Rodgers
Speaker 7: got a phenomenal memory. She's and the cool thing about
Speaker 7: Susan and you probably know this is she's got a
Speaker 7: knowledge of sound on top of just her print spase.
Speaker 7: She loves the funk, She loves a lot of stuff.
Speaker 7: But the way she talks about how sound works, and
Speaker 7: the sound is different at night than day, or you know,
Speaker 7: just the way the music works, and you're just thinking, God,
Speaker 7: that the level of knowledge from some of these people,
Speaker 7: and the engineers I actually engineered. I interviewed some of
Speaker 7: the engineers here in the studios where I'd come in
Speaker 7: in the evening and talk to some of these engineers.
Speaker 7: I'd find their name on the work order and in
Speaker 7: This is before Facebook or anything. I just look him up,
Speaker 7: call him on the phone book, or call here and say,
Speaker 7: is Coke Rogers Coke Johnson working there? Yeah, Dave the
Speaker 7: Blade is well, there's several Dave the Blades. Dave Leonard
Speaker 7: is in h he was the original Dave the Blade.
Speaker 7: He's in Nashville right now. I did not interview him.
Speaker 8: We were going to.
Speaker 7: He used to be married to Peggy McCreery and they
Speaker 7: did a lot of such together. But he lives down there.
Speaker 7: Then Dave Knight, David Knight became Dave the Blade and
Speaker 7: he was one of the engineers here and also at Sunset.
Speaker 8: What's the other studio that you have?
Speaker 7: They have another studio here, yeah, Sunfactory, So he did
Speaker 7: stuff there. He's interviewed in the book as well. I
Speaker 7: used closed by Dev Leonard from other sources of the
Speaker 7: books that he was interviewed or things like that too.
Speaker 7: But I wanted to interview him but just didn't work out.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about the live shows that were.
Speaker 2: Sound trucked.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like the or the thirty minute I Would
Speaker 1: Die for You, which obviously went to the soundtrack. Are
Speaker 1: there any studio loggins for those sessions, and if that's
Speaker 1: the case where the Purple Raine shows also recorded.
Speaker 7: Purple Raine shows were all recorded for the most part
Speaker 7: city well pretty much as far as I know, they're
Speaker 7: mostly recorded.
Speaker 8: Uh so there's there's here's the thing.
Speaker 7: He's got vaults of stuff that well as first, I've
Speaker 7: got tons of cassettes and stuff like this. The engineers
Speaker 7: in the book talking about how everything was recorded to
Speaker 7: maybe down to a cassette. So it may be already mixed.
Speaker 7: You just got the mix of that. He may not
Speaker 7: have a twenty four track recording left of all those things.
Speaker 7: But from what I understand, he has tapes of of
Speaker 7: every rehearsal, every sound check, and he'd have six or
Speaker 7: seven tapes running the day and not labeled, you know,
Speaker 7: just boxes. Here's the tape, and he just throwed things
Speaker 7: in a shoe box. And so there's stuck. You know,
Speaker 7: we don't know who some of these things are, what
Speaker 7: dates these are, and so it's there's a novelty to
Speaker 7: some of this stuff. And I talk about that quite
Speaker 7: a bit in the book where some of these engineers
Speaker 7: talking about all the stuff that exists.
Speaker 5: So how I used to think that was a storage closet.
Speaker 2: Have you physically seen the bout?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been there. I'd be like, ah, this is
Speaker 5: a big old storage closet.
Speaker 2: How big is the vault?
Speaker 8: There were two volts?
Speaker 5: Yeah there too. There's like the opening section and then
Speaker 5: there's stuff that there's like it's like a a teer,
Speaker 5: like like a what do you call them? Like mudroom,
Speaker 5: It's like a mudroom, and then the real room.
Speaker 7: The other thing I've had to get information from is
Speaker 7: like people like Eric Leeds and things like that would
Speaker 7: have there's when they would record.
Speaker 8: They would keep dates of.
Speaker 7: When they were to record and stuff like this, So
Speaker 7: that helped too. But again there's always gonna be stuff
Speaker 7: in the vault that I have no idea about. And
Speaker 7: and like when the Vraine Deluxe came out, we all
Speaker 7: were shocked when uh.
Speaker 8: The vocal possessed but electric intercourse.
Speaker 7: All all of a sudd They're going a holy crap, right,
Speaker 7: and Michael sitting there nodding his head, but you know,
Speaker 7: all of us going WHOA, thank you, you know for
Speaker 7: finding this, because that's something I didn't even know exist.
Speaker 2: You know, what's weird.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to hell for saying this, but
Speaker 1: it was. It was always my fear.
Speaker 2: That he you know, just in the last ten years.
Speaker 1: Of his life. And this is you know, speaking from
Speaker 1: you know. Of course you think like everybody's going to
Speaker 1: you know, be eighty and ninety. You know, they're going
Speaker 1: to be super old. But I always thought that, man,
Speaker 1: I know, one day he's going to turn like if
Speaker 1: we think that some of his thinking is irrational.
Speaker 2: Now, just as far as like.
Speaker 1: Certain cutting off the nose, despite the face moves that
Speaker 1: Prince has done in the past to some of his
Speaker 1: fan base.
Speaker 2: Why would I do what? I'm just saying that it's
Speaker 2: it's to me.
Speaker 1: I always felt like he would pull a move like
Speaker 1: some viking burning erase everything. Yes, I thought he would
Speaker 1: pull a Willie on that whole entire, like in his
Speaker 1: sixties or seventies.
Speaker 2: And I was just.
Speaker 7: Like, storing magnets what what what? No, No, it's saying
Speaker 7: he was storing magnets in the room just to e
Speaker 7: race everything.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, he really didn't. He really didn't. I was
Speaker 8: just saying he could have. That's what he's saying.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying what you think I'm going to insinuate.
Speaker 1: As far as premature passing, but I definitely felt like.
Speaker 2: He would. First of all, I thought he would have
Speaker 2: a will.
Speaker 8: That's the thing that would say.
Speaker 5: We talked about it, so.
Speaker 2: It's earned everything if I had.
Speaker 8: Wait, you talked about what did?
Speaker 5: What was said, Well, he didn't want to at the time,
Speaker 5: he didn't want to write a will. And I was
Speaker 5: like yeah, because there was at Baisley Park and I
Speaker 5: yelled at him like, well, you know, who's going to
Speaker 5: get all your stuff? And he came. He double backed
Speaker 5: and he's like who, And I'm like the government in
Speaker 5: the world and you walked out of the office. But
Speaker 5: you know, we did talk about it because I was
Speaker 5: really concerned because he didn't have a will.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you because I mean more,
Speaker 1: mortality is something that people don't want to deal with or.
Speaker 2: Talk about even now.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I have a will, but it was
Speaker 1: sort of like an afterthought thing like yeah, just leave
Speaker 1: it to them.
Speaker 2: I don't care. You know, I'm not gonna die. I'll
Speaker 2: be here forever. But now I'm like, okay, I would
Speaker 2: like my records to go here.
Speaker 1: I want my unreleased drum stuff to go here. I
Speaker 1: want to donate this stuff here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stu, get that notebook.
Speaker 1: No, it's just that now as I get closer to
Speaker 1: you know, get you know, way out of my twenties. Now,
Speaker 1: oh okay, this death is going to be a certain
Speaker 1: thing in my life, like I'm definitely going to die
Speaker 1: and so, you know, but I guess at the time,
Speaker 1: you just put it off and put it off and
Speaker 1: put it off, and it'll never happen to me.
Speaker 2: It'll never happen. And you know, because.
Speaker 1: For anyone asking like how could he never have a will?
Speaker 1: Like you just you never think you're.
Speaker 5: Going to go right, Well, part of his reasoning also
Speaker 5: is like you whatever you think is true. So if
Speaker 5: you're if you create a will, it means that you're
Speaker 5: you're plantasting your death. So that was a big thing
Speaker 5: about it, and we had a discussion about that. He
Speaker 5: told me he wants he was from another planet and
Speaker 5: that's why he didn't age because the sun revolved like
Speaker 5: I don't know, twelve years every twelve years. And he's like,
Speaker 5: I think you're from that planet too, And I was like,
Speaker 5: do let me call him an alien with your alien
Speaker 5: as I'm like, you keep your alien stuff to yourself.
Speaker 5: But he yeah, a lot of it was denial and
Speaker 5: not wanting to face a in future. But you know,
Speaker 5: he carried around on those keys to the vaults like
Speaker 5: you know, a janitor always had him on them.
Speaker 1: And then there was only one set of keys.
Speaker 5: You know, there was only one set quote unquote, but
Speaker 5: there was another set that somebody else had.
Speaker 2: So what if he lost those keys?
Speaker 8: It was here's the thing. Yeah, the wall next to
Speaker 8: it was just a drive.
Speaker 5: You could break into Paisley Park. It was so like
Speaker 5: not secured, no cameras. Still no cameras. Sure they put
Speaker 5: cameras in.
Speaker 2: Now that that was the reasoning, right, It's Minnesota. Who's
Speaker 2: going to yah?
Speaker 5: No, seriously, He's like only it's He's like, all the
Speaker 5: no evil people live here.
Speaker 8: The bad people move out.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He had a story about I guess they went to
Speaker 6: like a convenience store or something and he left the car.
Speaker 6: They left the car running, and Prince was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: because nobody would steal it.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, No, it's true, like you know we
Speaker 5: would go into uh, what was it, what's the store there? No,
Speaker 5: what's the name of the store there. I totally forgot
Speaker 5: Barney's or I think it is Birelers. Is it barrels?
Speaker 8: Is that important?
Speaker 5: No, it's a store in Shanahassan like, but you would
Speaker 5: walk in there and if you were brown, they knew
Speaker 5: exactly what you were doing there. Oh you were working
Speaker 5: at Paisley Park? Are you people? I'm like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 5: how do you know that? And then I realized and like, oh,
Speaker 5: you look like you worked there, And I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: stereotyping over here.
Speaker 2: That I see. So how.
Speaker 7: Also, the vault was not kept up very well. I
Speaker 7: mean there's no, it's not.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 8: It was not a place where there's yeah, one of
Speaker 8: that stuff has damage.
Speaker 2: But I know that they did, Wait, what's damaged?
Speaker 8: Tapes?
Speaker 3: Tapes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they reconstructed it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there was a water leak one year and they
Speaker 7: were they were having to put the tapes somewhere else.
Speaker 8: Because it just it was not it was mold. Yes,
Speaker 8: it was on a.
Speaker 7: Good vault, and that what they're doing now really does
Speaker 7: make sense.
Speaker 5: But it's funny that the family said that, you know
Speaker 5: that they shouldn't move it too Iron Mountain. That is
Speaker 5: the number one thing that should have been done.
Speaker 7: Reason why it was kept. That people want it kept.
Speaker 7: The Paisleys for nostalgia.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was going to all of it, yeah.
Speaker 8: Exactly, would have been worthless.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they managed to save I think ninety eight percent
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are now obsessed with that.
Speaker 8: It's that twenty seconds that made the song.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to sleep now.
Speaker 7: Tossing and turning, learned that poem figure out.
Speaker 8: I have a question.
Speaker 7: I have a question for you. You you look through
Speaker 7: the book, what is your opinion of the book? And
Speaker 7: you're you're as big a scholar of this kind of
Speaker 7: stuff as I know, and I want to know what
Speaker 7: your thought of the book is.
Speaker 8: What did you like?
Speaker 2: See?
Speaker 1: The thing is is that, Okay, it's weird because even
Speaker 1: when first of all, the book is like, what's seven hundred.
Speaker 8: It's not about five hundred page okay.
Speaker 2: So maybe when I was reading all my think it
Speaker 2: was like seven hundred something pages.
Speaker 1: I went through there. All right, Well here's the weird thing.
Speaker 1: I think from the time that you guys sent me
Speaker 1: the document, I easily think the first night I went
Speaker 1: through four hundred pages.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, And that's the thing. I felt ashamed,
Speaker 2: like I went.
Speaker 5: From like shit, I'm gonn write down my story.
Speaker 1: I went from ten a m. Till about I think
Speaker 1: I gave up at like seven in the morning.
Speaker 7: You're already the busiest guy on the plane, right, I
Speaker 7: can't imagine having time.
Speaker 2: But I just couldn't put it down.
Speaker 6: It was the same way for me because I was
Speaker 6: started reading and the next thing I knew the sun
Speaker 6: was up, you know.
Speaker 8: So like working in the studio with Prince.
Speaker 1: And I knew I was on something because I know
Speaker 1: that I have a tendency at least of my friends,
Speaker 1: like over exaggerate some shit. And I told him like, yo, like,
Speaker 1: this is the book we've been waiting for, Like this
Speaker 1: is the moment, I think. And the thing is is
Speaker 1: that I don't know because I tried to explain this
Speaker 1: to my management my people, like, yo, this is the
Speaker 1: Prince book I've been dreaming of all my life, like
Speaker 1: I could never write a book like and they looked
Speaker 1: at it and they were just like whatever, Okay. So
Speaker 1: he went to seven eleven on July. When I got here,
Speaker 1: the first thing he ran to the basketball court.
Speaker 8: I ran to the basketball court.
Speaker 2: I ran to the seven eleven that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just again, I'm I I've never been.
Speaker 1: Into who he was dating, or even the outcome of
Speaker 1: a thing. I'm always obsessed with how he built stuff.
Speaker 1: And for me, a lot of my question anything that
Speaker 1: I would ever try to ask him was like in that.
Speaker 8: Book, so you learn things?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I learned a lot.
Speaker 8: I mean I because you know a lot. So to
Speaker 8: hear that you actually got some out of it makes
Speaker 8: me really happy.
Speaker 1: Dog, I'm waiting for it. Like it's how many books
Speaker 1: do you think you would have in you.
Speaker 7: I'd be happy to write books at the end of
Speaker 7: my till the end of my life on this stuff because.
Speaker 2: It's my hope that the quote powers that be well
Speaker 2: least see this.
Speaker 1: And because again I think that if you're coming from
Speaker 1: a nonsensationalist, respectful angle like I think, it's just important
Speaker 1: to document how the greatness was me.
Speaker 7: Well in this book some people who haven't read it.
Speaker 7: This covers two years of his life eighty nineteen eighty three,
Speaker 7: nineteen eighty four. It's the ninety nine nine just has
Speaker 7: come out and it's it's just starting to hit covers
Speaker 7: Purple Rain cover the beginning of nineteen eighty four is
Speaker 7: recording Sheila's album The Time. The rest of Purple Rain
Speaker 7: appalonis six the family that summer. That's like, that's within
Speaker 7: like six months, you know, two years, that's that's no.
Speaker 8: That's that's all six months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 8: It's insane, mostly himself.
Speaker 7: And so when you see the kind of passion the
Speaker 7: guy had for doing this stuff, and then we're sitting
Speaker 7: in the studio thinking it was in this building that
Speaker 7: he did the stuff, it's to me, it's I mean,
Speaker 7: I went back and listened to the music again, just
Speaker 7: over and over, and it was cool to listen to
Speaker 7: it with a fresh ear because after he died, it's
Speaker 7: it's tough to listen to his stuff without through the
Speaker 7: prism of the fact that he's dead hearing it again
Speaker 7: through after reading the book, you're going that's where it
Speaker 7: goes back and and you're hearing it for the first
Speaker 7: time again. And that's that's something I didn't expect.
Speaker 1: We should note that as even though this is coming
Speaker 1: on way later as of this taping, I think we're
Speaker 1: falling into the actual thirty fifth anniversary of.
Speaker 2: Oh Yeah, Little Rick Corvette.
Speaker 1: The edits edits for the twelve inch which what January
Speaker 1: or January seventh, Yeah, very good.
Speaker 2: I looked it up. In your book.
Speaker 5: In your book, question for Dwayne, actually, if I can,
Speaker 5: if I may so, Like, you know, that's like a
Speaker 5: lot of information.
Speaker 1: This amazing because like Ruth, the thing was, Ruth was
Speaker 1: such a position to get this information. But it's so
Speaker 1: amazing to me in all my years of knowing her,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, you're so not a fan like.
Speaker 2: And she doesn't have an idea.
Speaker 1: Of like and a lot of women that are in
Speaker 1: Prince's life, especially in the last ten years of his life.
Speaker 2: It's just like.
Speaker 8: Ask Kim Berry about his music. She likes it, but
Speaker 8: she's not a big fan. Same thing. It's like there's
Speaker 8: a lot of people around.
Speaker 2: A little it's almost like it's a whole other person.
Speaker 5: Part of it is I knew I knew Prince the
Speaker 5: person musicians.
Speaker 2: I knew him.
Speaker 5: I saw him. I was like, I interacted, but you
Speaker 5: know that musician dude was such a pain in the ass.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, but my question to you is
Speaker 5: because you know I know what I and you know
Speaker 5: I there was so much that I wish I had
Speaker 5: the fort like you know, I had to Sam Jennings
Speaker 5: was actually in the house in one of the houses
Speaker 5: and when he was there. It was Wendy and Lisa
Speaker 5: and they came up with their acoustic guitars and he
Speaker 5: hadn't seen them in years. And they sat around and
Speaker 5: they played this beautiful melodic song and I'm like, what
Speaker 5: is that song?
Speaker 11: Sam?
Speaker 5: And he's like, it's a song called Mountains, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: it's really pretty, but I gotta work, like I gotta
Speaker 5: go pleaan his bedroom like like you know, like I couldn't.
Speaker 10: Like.
Speaker 5: I was like, it was really pretty and I wanted
Speaker 5: to sit and observe, and I knew I was missing
Speaker 5: out on something, but I was like, ah, I want
Speaker 5: to go to sleep. I need to go. I need
Speaker 5: to like, you know, I slept like two hours a night,
Speaker 5: so I needed to have some kind of rest. But
Speaker 5: my question to you is how much of it do
Speaker 5: you think? Because for me, I saw different parts of it.
Speaker 5: And you know, I also talked to princes a lot,
Speaker 5: Like he talked about retiring from music and I was like,
Speaker 5: shut up, you know that's not happening, and he's like no,
Speaker 5: and he's like he's like, I've done everything there is
Speaker 5: to do music. And I'm like, you don't have an Emmy,
Speaker 5: you don't have a tony you don't have like it
Speaker 5: started naming all. Yeah, I was like named off stuff.
Speaker 5: But my question to you is how much do you
Speaker 5: think was passion and how much do you think was compulsion?
Speaker 7: Wow, I think I think his passion shows through on
Speaker 7: some songs. I think you can hear when he's inspired,
Speaker 7: and I think that compulsion would be like Velvet Kitty
Speaker 7: Cat and things like that. Yeah, there's gonna be there's
Speaker 7: songs that are obligatory.
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 7: I think to me, what I understood having talked to everybody,
Speaker 7: is he just had stuff in him he had to
Speaker 7: get out. And sometimes he'd be in the studio and
Speaker 7: just kind of record this traffic jam and that would
Speaker 7: be it and it would be like got to get
Speaker 7: this out and to be able to get But there's
Speaker 7: the inspiration when you hear that. You can hear that,
Speaker 7: you know when something he elevates that he spends time
Speaker 7: on too.
Speaker 5: I mean a question, Oh, I just had a really
Speaker 5: quick question for all the nerd prince spots here. So
Speaker 5: that's all that's everybody here. So Prince told me a
Speaker 5: story New Year's Eve, maybe like in I think it
Speaker 5: was two thousand and two thousand and nine, and basically
Speaker 5: he was talking about she's always in my hair. I'm
Speaker 5: told my too this and and I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: and I had somebody had already told me it was
Speaker 5: about a protege of his. I couldn't remember Jill Johnes. Okay,
Speaker 5: so I didn't remember the name of it. I'm like,
Speaker 5: isn't this about a protege of yours? Because they played
Speaker 5: the song. We were at the Roosevelt Club med Bruce was.
Speaker 5: We'd gone in and like, actually Raoul called me and
Speaker 5: was like, you need to come because Prince is here
Speaker 5: by himself. And I'm like, oh man, I'm already in bed.
Speaker 5: So I got dressed and like so we had like
Speaker 5: this very interesting conversation New Year's Eve, and basically the
Speaker 5: song came on and I'm like, oh, isn't this about
Speaker 5: like a protege of yours? And he's like Jill Jones.
Speaker 5: He's like, no, not her, It's.
Speaker 8: Not here's the thing he did about Susan.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: No, he said it was about an assistant that he
Speaker 5: had at the time, Teres. I don't know who.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I can't remember the name.
Speaker 8: Well, because I.
Speaker 3: Asked Teresa and she was like I've never heard that story.
Speaker 5: Okay, so he said, and I'm like what, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: she used to hound me about like making sure that
Speaker 5: I ate, making sure that like you know that I
Speaker 5: was okay, and then I was rested and she went
Speaker 5: away like somebody and her family got sick or something. Somebody,
Speaker 5: but they did that.
Speaker 8: That's the story for nothing compared. But I haven't heard
Speaker 8: that for she's always in my hair.
Speaker 2: No, nothing was about rand but the chef, no.
Speaker 7: Sandy, Sandy, and it was also well Jerome says it
Speaker 7: was about somebody. And and there's somebody else that said
Speaker 7: it was about them.
Speaker 8: I don't I don't know. I mean, here's the thing
Speaker 8: with any sort of our artist.
Speaker 5: And and but by the way, I've heard him lie
Speaker 5: to women and say that the songs and wrote about it.
Speaker 2: Everything.
Speaker 7: Everything i've heard is when you're doing this stuff, and
Speaker 7: and Jill said this, and several people said this, a
Speaker 7: lot of his music he'd do to meet women and
Speaker 7: things like that, or he'd be inspired. But just because
Speaker 7: he writes he may be inspired by one person, that
Speaker 7: doesn't mean everything in the song is by inspired that
Speaker 7: one person. You know, wonderful ass may be about Vanity,
Speaker 7: but it also may be about Sanna Melvoyn could be
Speaker 7: about the cat having a wonderful ass exactly.
Speaker 9: He told me that song was about me.
Speaker 5: Too, I'm sorry to tell you.
Speaker 7: But so any sort of any sort of I tried
Speaker 7: to put whenever there was a thing that he had
Speaker 7: said or other people were saying it. But he was
Speaker 7: very adamant about beautiful ones not being about Susannah and they.
Speaker 7: Sometimes I found that, And I didn't know Prince, but
Speaker 7: I found that sometimes he would get angry and vengeful
Speaker 7: about people claiming that there.
Speaker 8: Was about them.
Speaker 2: And that's true.
Speaker 5: That's he would kind of just he would just say
Speaker 5: he would he would take it even if.
Speaker 8: You don't know me.
Speaker 5: There was a story about like how quest love to
Speaker 5: save the super Bowl. Speaking of super Bowl, Yeah, so
Speaker 5: but one of the the story.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't believe this story, by the way, I
Speaker 1: think you just do it to make me feel.
Speaker 5: No, I don't. So this is this is a true story.
Speaker 5: Like I've told mat too, and I've told like maybe
Speaker 5: two or three other people. This is a true story. So, uh,
Speaker 5: Prince and I got into a fight and I was
Speaker 5: that was banished from going to the super Bowl. So
Speaker 5: I was like, yes, wait.
Speaker 1: Time out, time out before you tell the story. And
Speaker 1: I'm trying to deflect the story because it's very silly
Speaker 1: to non playing.
Speaker 2: But you're allowed to fight, like you That's the thing.
Speaker 2: That's how I know you're not a.
Speaker 1: Fan, because it's everyone that would know the history of
Speaker 1: or at least a fan of Prince would sort of
Speaker 1: have this kid gloves approach.
Speaker 2: And you were just like, eh, I don't care, Yeah,
Speaker 2: prob why you got the job?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, like, you know, I deal with
Speaker 5: people who are very creative and very volatile and mercurial,
Speaker 5: but also you know, genuine. These are people that I
Speaker 5: actually like, and you know, Prince was just another one
Speaker 5: of those type of individuals. And so what I noticed
Speaker 5: is it's kind of like with a child or with
Speaker 5: an animal, a small animal, like you kind of have
Speaker 5: to break you kind of have to show them who's
Speaker 5: the boss, otherwise they will take advantage of you. And
Speaker 5: I had already learned that I and I already had
Speaker 5: my you know, my mom is Craig Gray, So like
Speaker 5: I had already I learned from early on, you know,
Speaker 5: how to handle that sort of situation. So I was
Speaker 5: in a unique position in order to deal with him.
Speaker 5: And so actually one of the people that I work with,
Speaker 5: who's worked with him for almost thirty years, was like,
Speaker 5: you talked to he overheard me talking to him, because
Speaker 5: I never to him out of turn unless it was
Speaker 5: just he and I. I never like I was never
Speaker 5: really never in front of people. Never in front of people.
Speaker 5: It was always very you know, I was very respectful
Speaker 5: and diplomatic and professional because that's what he needed. He
Speaker 5: needed professional people around him and he didn't have a
Speaker 5: lot of that. And one of the my coworkers was like,
Speaker 5: you talk to Prince like that? And I'm like, like what.
Speaker 5: And he's like, like, you give him your opinion and stuff,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh my god, how do you think
Speaker 5: I get my job done? Like I got to, like,
Speaker 5: you know, he gives me a lot of autonomy, but I
Speaker 5: also have to, like, you know, move forward with I
Speaker 5: have to ask him questions. I have to and you know,
Speaker 5: when I think that there's a mistake happening, I pay
Speaker 5: the price for it. But I have to be vocal,
Speaker 5: and so I've been. I was always very vocal about Prince,
Speaker 5: and I have no regrets about my time with him.
Speaker 7: There's sorry, there's a there's a story i'd heard secondhand
Speaker 7: about an editor who came up to Minneapolis. He flew
Speaker 7: him up to Minneapolis to cut a music video for him,
Speaker 7: and supposely he was doing the music video and Prince
Speaker 7: came in and said, okay to look at and said,
Speaker 7: where's my red hat in the video? And the guy said, well,
Speaker 7: I thought the red hat looked kind of kind of silly,
Speaker 7: and Prince at all okay. And at the end of
Speaker 7: the day, the guys go back to his room and
Speaker 7: his bags packed, and he's got a ticket out of
Speaker 7: town on the top of his lugage that they'd already
Speaker 7: sent him back home. So she's like, well, like, I'm
Speaker 7: not supposed to have my opinion heard here. So the
Speaker 7: fact that you got your you know, but you're probably
Speaker 7: a lot cutter than that.
Speaker 9: He knew though, that you were, that you cared because
Speaker 9: even years after, years after you guys stopped working together,
Speaker 9: and I was with him and Lenny somewhere and I
Speaker 9: mentioned you and he was like you could see, he
Speaker 9: was like, oh, how is I totally called you after?
Speaker 9: Like how is Ruth?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: I loved him? I mean We had a very just
Speaker 5: so I can make this, this is a very like
Speaker 5: sibling sort of relationship. There was everything, you know, there
Speaker 5: was nothing untoward. And it was after I left, you know,
Speaker 5: then I realized that people who worked females were sort
Speaker 5: of someone involved with him. I was like, oh, like.
Speaker 7: No, interesting I've heard is after he passed, I contacted
Speaker 7: a lot of the people I interviewed, and they almost also
Speaker 7: the same thing. They'd loved him, and they protected him,
Speaker 7: and they felt territorial about him. And even to this day,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of people that will block for him
Speaker 7: in a.
Speaker 5: Sense that I have a really hard time with that though,
Speaker 5: because if there were so many people that loved him,
Speaker 5: I feel like he would be.
Speaker 8: Here right now, right.
Speaker 7: But it's over the course of a forty year career.
Speaker 7: Some of these people may have been around in the ages.
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, Actually I was Cheryl Nick, who's a big bartist,
Speaker 5: and she was like, she would tell me how she
Speaker 5: felt protective, and there was some you know, she maybe
Speaker 5: not as close, but she was just like, you know,
Speaker 5: because you he's he's just he has this child's like
Speaker 5: spirit about him. He's a man, but he's a child.
Speaker 2: It's a.
Speaker 5: It's a very interesting conundrum to see this person and
Speaker 5: and sometimes he's you know, you know, sometimes he's a
Speaker 5: whiny kid and you want to like choke him out.
Speaker 5: Half the time, I wanted to babyshake him. I mean
Speaker 5: half the time all the time. Who am I kidding?
Speaker 5: Let's be honest. But but but I but I loved
Speaker 5: him like he was like he was there was a
Speaker 5: there der misogynistic parts to him, and then there were
Speaker 5: lovely generous parts to him.
Speaker 2: How many times were we fired?
Speaker 5: A lot?
Speaker 2: What was the time period of being fired?
Speaker 1: No, this is this is this is a recurring story
Speaker 1: for James Brown, for almost every great and music has
Speaker 1: a thing where it's like your fire.
Speaker 8: And then like he never fired me, not ever, my drummer. Now,
Speaker 8: so the way we.
Speaker 5: Parted ways, we parted ways. He eventually stopped calling, he
Speaker 5: ghosted me basically, but but like he never fired me.
Speaker 5: And he always said I'm not firing you. I could
Speaker 5: never fire you. And I was like, well, bitch, I'm
Speaker 5: not quitting.
Speaker 2: We do this.
Speaker 1: What was the distance between the argument and the radio silence?
Speaker 2: And Okay, I need some corn flakes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he could go a couple of hours to I
Speaker 5: think the longest is two and a half weeks.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: You just thought like okay, no, no, no, no, he wouldn't.
Speaker 5: He just wouldn't call me. But I would get emails
Speaker 5: at all hours of the night, but he just wouldn't
Speaker 5: speak to me. So there was one time. I got
Speaker 5: to tell you this one. There was one time we fought,
Speaker 5: and it was that it was one of the first
Speaker 5: parties that I threw at the thirty one to twenty
Speaker 5: one home, and he was so mad and it was
Speaker 5: something I did and I was like whatever, and then
Speaker 5: Raoul the driver was right there. He was like five
Speaker 5: inches from me. I'm at the front door. Raul Prince
Speaker 5: talks to Raoul and he's like, tell Ruth that. And
Speaker 5: I was like, Migro, are you for real talking looking
Speaker 5: at Raoul and I'm in front of you her face,
Speaker 5: I was like maybe ten inches away from him. Tell
Speaker 5: Ruth that we don't want this person here. I think
Speaker 5: he was mad because somebody got to the party that
Speaker 5: wasn't supposed to be there. And I was like, I
Speaker 5: had nothing to do with that. The person wasn't on
Speaker 5: my list and he came with another person and and uh,
Speaker 5: Raoul turns around and like Robel, I heard what he said.
Speaker 5: He's right there, and I was like, Prince, I was
Speaker 5: so mad. I was like yeah, all the time when
Speaker 5: I was mad, Like if I was in front of
Speaker 5: people or we were in a meeting with like Warner
Speaker 5: Brothers or executives, is yes, sir, no, sir, I would
Speaker 5: call him. I would say his name. I would say prince,
Speaker 5: like if I need to get his attention. But there
Speaker 5: was one time we were in New York and uh,
Speaker 5: and he there was too many people and I'm like
Speaker 5: all crazy. He turned around and he just laughed because
Speaker 5: there was no there was no way of getting his
Speaker 5: attention otherwise, and he was too far and I couldn't
Speaker 5: reach him. But he snapped his head back like.
Speaker 8: His mama called him and mama Sean did.
Speaker 5: But yeah, no, there was like there was like probably
Speaker 5: two and a half weeks as long as that the
Speaker 5: radio silence would go. It was after a fight, and
Speaker 5: so he calls me up and I land. And now
Speaker 5: you know, people are annoyed because you know, the the
Speaker 5: rehearsals have been going on, all the badges have been done.
Speaker 5: It's a huge production to get security clearance and all
Speaker 5: of that for the Super Bowl you need like twenty
Speaker 5: badges and pictures and blood type and you know, the
Speaker 5: last date of my period. So it was like an ordeal,
Speaker 5: and so they were annoyed that they had to rush
Speaker 5: it through in literally like an hour or two. So
Speaker 5: I get there and I can't you know, I can't
Speaker 5: walk around the grounds or anything. So I'm waiting at
Speaker 5: like this holding cell area, and then you know, Prince
Speaker 5: summons me and he's in his trailer, and so they
Speaker 5: have to escort me because I don't have any credentials,
Speaker 5: and so I get escorted. I go up there and
Speaker 5: Prince is like, the sound is bad. Fix it. I
Speaker 5: was like, you me, fix it? Like sound like I
Speaker 5: look like a sound engineer and I'm like okay. So
Speaker 5: he basically was upset about the sound. I had nothing
Speaker 5: to do with. The producers already knew about it. Everybody
Speaker 5: already knew about it. There wasn't anything I could do.
Speaker 5: I didn't know why I was there. So I said, well,
Speaker 5: you know, they're working on it, and he's like, okay,
Speaker 5: well we have an event to go to tonight. You're coming, right,
Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, yeah, I guess I am so
Speaker 5: you know where. I was like, hey, be in the car.
Speaker 5: We're leaving at no thing is if nobody knows Prince
Speaker 5: he likes to speak in the plural and the third person,
Speaker 5: so everybody else started to sort of pick that up.
Speaker 5: We all this we bullshit and it's just like you.
Speaker 5: It's just you. And so he's like, we're leaving at seven,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, okay, I go downstairs. I wait in
Speaker 5: the limo. And Prince was curious. He's really pissed about
Speaker 5: the sound and not you know about you know what
Speaker 5: he was hearing. Also in an empty stadium and there
Speaker 5: was no you, there was reverb and all this stuff
Speaker 5: and you know what was going to be televised, and
Speaker 5: he was just not happy about the whole situation. We
Speaker 5: get into the limo to go to this event the
Speaker 5: night before the Super Bowl and he is like stone
Speaker 5: cold face killer like he gets in the car, doesn't
Speaker 5: even look at me, and I'm like, where's everybody else?
Speaker 5: And I asked for it's the question. He doesn't answer,
Speaker 5: and ray I was like, Uh, it's just you. And
Speaker 5: I'm like, you motherfucker, like you left me in the blimo.
Speaker 5: It's just me and Prince, and it was just like
Speaker 5: you could feel the tension in the air. It was
Speaker 5: just it was just so thick with like rife, with
Speaker 5: just it felt like anger. I wasn't sure what it was.
Speaker 5: And I was like, God, damn, I'm going to be
Speaker 5: in this car with them. I don't know what to do.
Speaker 5: So I'm like and we start to leave and I'm
Speaker 5: like okay, and the driver says, oh, you know the
Speaker 5: destination is like fifteen minutes away. Well, it's South Beach
Speaker 5: the night before the Super Bowl. It is bumper to bumper.
Speaker 5: We it's twenty minutes and we don't move but like
Speaker 5: maybe a foot. And so Prince is getting highly annoyed,
Speaker 5: and I'm starting to panic because I'm like, I can't
Speaker 5: sit here for two hours with this dude just fuming, Yeah,
Speaker 5: just stewing. I was like, oh, this is super uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: And I was like fuck it. And I'm like, so
Speaker 5: this is so speech right. This is where they said
Speaker 5: did they film that movie say Hello to my Little Friend?
Speaker 5: But that's all I could come to mind, you know.
Speaker 5: And he was like, he looks at me, he gives
Speaker 5: me a side eye. Meanwhile, he's I only get his
Speaker 5: profile he never once really looks at me, and he's
Speaker 5: like yes, silence, Oh my fuck. And then he's like, ra,
Speaker 5: well how long you know, how long before we get there?
Speaker 5: And he's like, we're calling a police escort. So we're
Speaker 5: waiting for a police escort. And so I'm like I
Speaker 5: can't stand it. And I'm like, so, like, have you
Speaker 5: ever been here before? Well, because I couldn't. My brain
Speaker 5: wasn't working because it was so I was stressed out
Speaker 5: because he was stressed out, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I used to. I used to have a club here.
Speaker 5: It was really cool. It's called Clam Slam. And I
Speaker 5: was like and then suddenly I remember so two days
Speaker 5: before now I had Amir had sent the Muppets Tonight,
Speaker 5: and he had sent me a CD version. I'd never
Speaker 5: seen it. It was the if no one's ever seen it,
Speaker 5: you have to look it up. Muppets Tonight with Prince
Speaker 5: it is, we know it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the.
Speaker 5: Essence of So so what kept me around was that
Speaker 5: that that spark that you see in the Muppets Tonight,
Speaker 5: that childhood sort of elation that Prince would come out with.
Speaker 5: That That's what when I would see that, that would
Speaker 5: kind of like fuel me, yeah, all of it. So
Speaker 5: he I'm like, no, you know what's cool. I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what's cool. What's cool is you being
Speaker 5: on the Muppets tonight And he whips his head around.
Speaker 5: So the first time he looks at me in the
Speaker 5: hole like by now, it's been like forty five minutes,
Speaker 5: and he's like, what do you know about that? And
Speaker 5: I'm like, Amir sent it to me. He's like why Yeah,
Speaker 5: He's like what why is the mere sending you stuff?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, because you're in it and I've
Speaker 5: never seen it before. And I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 5: And so I go into this and I'm like, how
Speaker 5: about when Fozzy Wazzy bere goes. You're pretty mouthy for
Speaker 5: a guy with no name. And I literally, because I
Speaker 5: just it, I take on all the like and how
Speaker 5: I went gonzo, like where's the course hit in the
Speaker 5: fish nets? And he's like it's exactly like I literally
Speaker 5: like reenacted the whole thing because I'd just seen it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: So we spent the next hour talking about the Muppets
Speaker 5: tonight and what a magical thing is I After like
Speaker 5: my twenty fifteen minutes of reenacting because I had to reenact.
Speaker 5: I was laughing so hard at my own jokes. I
Speaker 5: was like I entertained. Raoul turned around and he's like,
Speaker 5: what the fuck is going on? And I'm like, dude,
Speaker 5: I'm like, I mean my moment, it was like it
Speaker 5: was like musical theater for the five year old in me,
Speaker 5: and I like went through the whole thing, and I
Speaker 5: was like, how about when you were like wearing your
Speaker 5: little cute little overalls and you had that straw in
Speaker 5: your mouth, like you know, and so we talked about
Speaker 5: how he he was like, and this is where where
Speaker 5: I bring back when you were saying, Dwayne about how
Speaker 5: he would like change, like if he was upset at
Speaker 5: someone and he would like not give credit to that
Speaker 5: person or whatever. So he's like, I don't remember who
Speaker 5: told me to do them muppets tonight. And now I
Speaker 5: was looked at him. I'm like, yeah, you do, because
Speaker 5: I could tell you the way he phrased it. I
Speaker 5: found out later my day is first wife had encouraged
Speaker 5: him to do it. But he was like, but it
Speaker 5: was the best thing I ever did. He was like,
Speaker 5: it was the most magical experience in Henston's studios is
Speaker 5: like the most the most magical place you could ever
Speaker 5: be in. And we had this really, you know, really
Speaker 5: long conversation about it. And it was during the course
Speaker 5: of the conversation then I realized he wasn't angry, that
Speaker 5: he was nervous. And it took me like, you know,
Speaker 5: cause you're he's prince, like you don't think about it.
Speaker 5: And when I saw him soften up, and when you know,
Speaker 5: I saw the look on his face and then I
Speaker 5: was like and I'm like, fuck it, and I'm like, prince,
Speaker 5: your prince, like, no matter what happens tomorrow, like you're
Speaker 5: gonna you're gonna kill it. You're gonna slay it. And
Speaker 5: there's nobody who's gonna ever do what you can do,
Speaker 5: not here, not today, not yesterday, not tomorrow. So I'm like,
Speaker 5: just know that, like I said, I guarantee you. And
Speaker 5: I'm like, and if you come back for that money
Speaker 5: back guarantee I got about two dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 1: Were what were his feelings after it was done? Because
Speaker 1: you couldn't have asked for.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 5: We ran down Kim and I and uh, I think
Speaker 5: it was strang show. We ran down to like the
Speaker 5: front like we because I was like, we were in
Speaker 5: the box seat and then we because they wouldn't let
Speaker 5: us in there's other people, and then didn't want to.
Speaker 5: I was like whatever, and then we ran down to
Speaker 5: the field. We got drenched. I was drenched head to toe,
Speaker 5: like like I look like a drowned rat. Prince like
Speaker 5: we run back ups. We're like, we gotta go see Prince,
Speaker 5: so we run back up after his after he's done,
Speaker 5: he's already in the box. I'm like, motherfucker, we left
Speaker 5: before you got.
Speaker 2: Off the stage.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm not kidding. My hairs pasted to
Speaker 5: my forehead, my dress is like tissue paper all over
Speaker 5: the place, showing things that no one should ever see
Speaker 5: in public. And I look at him. I walked through
Speaker 5: the door kind of like that little kid. Do you
Speaker 5: remember that episode where the little kids in Jurassic Park
Speaker 5: where they walked through after they had been electrocuted and
Speaker 5: they walk in all dumbfounded, like to the foyer with food.
Speaker 5: I walk into the sweet and I'm all with my
Speaker 5: face just like all like crazy hair plaster. Prince not
Speaker 5: he had two droplets on his shoulder hat. I was like,
Speaker 5: I scream at him, and I'm like, how do you
Speaker 5: not have any water on you? Oh my god, you
Speaker 5: were amazing and I just go and I grab and
Speaker 5: he like, we give no. He came up. He stopped talking,
Speaker 5: you know, he stopped talking to come up to me.
Speaker 5: Like I didn't just do that out of nowhere, like
Speaker 5: he like made the he made the he like he
Speaker 5: stopped his conversation and came right up to me, and
Speaker 5: I just give him the biggest bear hug and he
Speaker 5: just slaps and he's like thank you, and that was it.
Speaker 5: And then he moved on and he said, talk to
Speaker 5: Kim and Trisha. But I'm like, I took that thank you,
Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, that's right, Yeah I did.
Speaker 5: I did that, but actually or saved the super Bowl
Speaker 5: because if it wasn't for you, I would.
Speaker 1: Have literally lost, had no material.
Speaker 5: Had no material, none, none, and the super Bowl would
Speaker 5: have been a bust.
Speaker 7: It's amazing when you think about somebody like that being
Speaker 7: nervous because we all look at him as this guy's
Speaker 7: almost infallible, and when it comes to movies and then
Speaker 7: to hear I mean, there's a story in the book
Speaker 7: about Alan Leed's exactly going to the premiere of Peurple
Speaker 7: Rain and he's having almost holding Allen Leed's hand because
Speaker 7: he's terrified, and just you picture this guy who at
Speaker 7: the time. You gotta remember when Pearple Rain came out
Speaker 7: twenty four, twenty six years old. I mean that I
Speaker 7: look back at that age and I'm like, that's as
Speaker 7: a child, you know, and I can't imagine having that
Speaker 7: kind of control. And if that movie bombed, it would
Speaker 7: have he would have been a punchline.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of his the mysterious standoffish
Speaker 1: nature is due to the fact that, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of like the Wizard of Oz, like you don't want
Speaker 1: anyone to see what's really behind the curse because you
Speaker 1: might be disappointed, that sort of thing.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of that, But I think it also
Speaker 5: is that you know, a person like that doesn't you
Speaker 5: don't trust anyone, so it's very hard to be vulnerable,
Speaker 5: and so vulnerability is a commodity you know that he
Speaker 5: can't afford to share.
Speaker 7: He's a guy that's never I mean, he's always cool,
Speaker 7: and I think I said before somebody is you never
Speaker 7: see him trying to grab a straw with his tongue
Speaker 7: or missing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you.
Speaker 7: Have us mortals haven't seen him doing this stuff. You
Speaker 7: don't see him tripping or you know, he's falling off
Speaker 7: the stage of James Brown. We know we've seen that,
Speaker 7: you know, but then then again the nerd off, but
Speaker 7: you don't, don't we don't.
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly all of us say telling us about that.
Speaker 8: Really what he's saying, Oh, he's.
Speaker 2: Just saying that he made an ass out of himself.
Speaker 8: Then he didn't have a good night that night.
Speaker 2: You ever hear Allen's version of.
Speaker 8: That, No, tell me what I may have, but tell
Speaker 8: me no.
Speaker 1: I asked Alan, like, what happened on in the ride
Speaker 1: back home? And it was again they were sitting in traffic, Bobby, Jill,
Speaker 1: Allen and Prince and it was obviously it was dead silent.
Speaker 1: But that's what was so important about that night. Alan
Speaker 1: agrees that kind of the I will not I will
Speaker 1: never you will never catch me unprepared or that sort
Speaker 1: of So the genesis of his meticulous I mean, it's
Speaker 1: always been there, but what led to all the stop
Speaker 1: on the dime ship, all the you know, ain't nobody
Speaker 1: fucking with us sort of thing? That's the night it
Speaker 1: was born because and I even asked Wendy. I was like,
Speaker 1: so if he didn't say anything in that whole ride
Speaker 1: home and she was like, yeah, it was bumper to
Speaker 1: bumper traffic.
Speaker 2: No one said anything. I said, did you? Did you know?
Speaker 2: Because I asked the next day, like in rehearsal.
Speaker 1: Was there a look of like I wonder if you
Speaker 1: two told the others like what happened to me? Like
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, And you know, it's like a
Speaker 1: fear thing, like I don't want to mess up Michael thing. No, no,
Speaker 1: like it's it's unsaid.
Speaker 2: But she sensed that that night changed, it was necessary
Speaker 2: to change.
Speaker 1: That was the motivation to like, Okay, I will be
Speaker 1: the greatest I will be. You know that sort of obsession.
Speaker 7: I talked about that a little bit in the book
Speaker 7: where it talks about his control and how important control
Speaker 7: was in any situation, and that would be part of
Speaker 7: what you said, and how the man had to have
Speaker 7: control over whatever it was with the conversation holding it,
Speaker 7: you know, religion, guys or whatever.
Speaker 5: Interesting. You're right, he was definitely a control freak, but
Speaker 5: then there were certain things that he would like I
Speaker 5: was autonomous in a lot of the stuff that I
Speaker 5: did because I don't know, well, I was going to
Speaker 5: say because, but I don't actually know why. I think
Speaker 5: I was just basically part of it was that that
Speaker 5: because not only was he a control freak, but he
Speaker 5: also liked to instigate stuff. So he could tell like
Speaker 5: twelve people to do the same thing, so there'd be
Speaker 5: some kind of weird rivalry competition and he and no
Speaker 5: one would talk to each other so we would all
Speaker 5: do the same job.
Speaker 7: So he could be above the whole thing and let
Speaker 7: you guys battle it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's let
Speaker 7: the minions kind of take you know.
Speaker 5: I have none of that, like I got that was
Speaker 5: the thing. I would be like, but he would say stuff, well,
Speaker 5: if you can't do it, I'll have such and such
Speaker 5: doing I'm like, I.
Speaker 8: Can do it, I can do it.
Speaker 5: I would get mad like it would be like he
Speaker 5: would like stir you up in some way.
Speaker 9: Ruth, do you remember that super embarrassing moment we had
Speaker 9: at the Beverly Will share in his bedroom. I tell
Speaker 9: this really quick because it's the most embarrassing story of
Speaker 9: my life. But our friend af she and Shahiti photographer photographer,
Speaker 9: his dear friend we all met through all that through
Speaker 9: Prince had his camera and we were in Prince's bedroom
Speaker 9: thinking Princess.
Speaker 5: Okay, So first of all, we weren't in his real bedroom,
Speaker 5: so we were at the region. We were at the
Speaker 5: region I threw I had six hours to throw a
Speaker 5: party for the oscars. And that's the one that Tom
Speaker 5: Cruise came to and the one that yeah, he gave
Speaker 5: me six hours to find a place and throw a party,
Speaker 5: and that's the one where Cameron Dia is like justin
Speaker 5: Timberlake with Justin Timberlake and Jessica Bielle was there. It
Speaker 5: was like a hot mess six hours. I was so
Speaker 5: mad and then I had I was like, like I learned,
Speaker 5: literally became an evil bitch. I was yelling at everybody
Speaker 5: and we Before the party started though, I was super
Speaker 5: stressed out. And there are many rooms in this this penthouse.
Speaker 3: Uh it was the big, big penthouse.
Speaker 5: So there's like several rooms. I didn't know about this night,
Speaker 5: so there's like there was like five there's like maybe
Speaker 5: five or six different rooms.
Speaker 2: And you know, it took six hours though.
Speaker 5: Six hours.
Speaker 3: Well that was the best part part of it is
Speaker 3: that I had to be like.
Speaker 5: Like you know. I I spoke Prince BONNYX before, you know,
Speaker 5: and it's like I was like a bit of a
Speaker 5: mind reader, so I would and he hated that. He
Speaker 5: hated that I would like try to him. Yeah, he
Speaker 5: really did, so sometimes he would flip it on me.
Speaker 5: But I was ready for that one too, So if
Speaker 5: he tried to flip the script, I got. I got that.
Speaker 5: So I had like like twelve plates running. But so
Speaker 5: we throw the party and we get there before no
Speaker 5: one's there yet, right, no one's there yet.
Speaker 3: There was a few fee people, but we.
Speaker 5: Walk into okay, so now we walk into one so
Speaker 5: I just don't want to say it's Prince's.
Speaker 9: Bedroom was the Prince's bedroom was one of the bedrooms
Speaker 9: in his suite. And af Sheen has this camera and
Speaker 9: me and my dirty mind and being French and all
Speaker 9: the stupid shit I say, I say, we should we
Speaker 9: should do like a little sexy photo shoot, like a
Speaker 9: little porno. So af Sheen, you take picture of Ruth
Speaker 9: and I Ruth gets on the ball and I get
Speaker 9: behind Ruth.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, no, enacting this thing.
Speaker 9: And I'm like and af she like, I don't even
Speaker 9: know if he has the photos. But I'm studying there
Speaker 9: behind Ruth and dude just walks right into and he goes,
Speaker 9: he looks at me and he goes, now, he goes
Speaker 9: uh uh and walk right back out.
Speaker 3: And you were like, you look at me like you
Speaker 3: just got me fired.
Speaker 2: You just got me fired. Yeah.
Speaker 9: She was like, you just got me fired with your
Speaker 9: stupid ass. And if she was studying there like okay,
Speaker 9: this was awkward. And then I'm thinking like, I don't
Speaker 9: know how to go back into the room though, because
Speaker 9: he's going to see me in the room right, And
Speaker 9: then he was cool. I don't know, he had a
Speaker 9: sense of you here.
Speaker 5: That was the first time that somebody's like come up
Speaker 5: behind me and done something they shouldn't happen. They got fired.
Speaker 9: So I had to tell that because that just came
Speaker 9: back to me.
Speaker 5: That was really funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go around the room. I would like to know, Mike,
Speaker 1: what is in your in your mind?
Speaker 2: What is your.
Speaker 1: Goal to see as far as his legacy concerned? Then
Speaker 1: how would you like that?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because the thing is he's he's not
Speaker 1: coming back, and I know I think, well, he would
Speaker 1: never want his he would never do a Nike commercial.
Speaker 2: He would never do that.
Speaker 1: But it's like we live in a society in which
Speaker 1: people forget quickly.
Speaker 11: And.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the battle of well, do we.
Speaker 1: Put him in Bob Marley terms and have him everywhere
Speaker 1: or you know, and you know, we've had a lot
Speaker 1: of eye rolling moments like the Empire Empire episode or whatever,
Speaker 1: or maybe what going to happen.
Speaker 5: I can tell you though, for one thing for sure,
Speaker 5: he would never want Purple Rene licensed. That's well, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was a work order that he had universal publishing.
Speaker 5: Purple Raine should never be licensed, not ever.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well that's one thing in his will.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just whether anyone's gonna honor that or.
Speaker 3: Not, is Matthew?
Speaker 1: What would you as as the ultimate Prince fan? First
Speaker 1: of all, what's what's what's your rarest artifact that you have?
Speaker 1: I kind of misrepresented you. I mean you your artifact
Speaker 1: game is crazy.
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, I have a couple of black albums,
Speaker 9: a German one in the US one which is pretty
Speaker 9: I feel that's pretty cool. But I have some some
Speaker 9: handwritten things.
Speaker 3: I have some.
Speaker 9: Acetates and test pressings that I'm proud of, Like for you,
Speaker 9: the very first yikes, which I've had for a long time.
Speaker 3: A lot of I mean, it's funny, like I have cassettes.
Speaker 9: I have like cassette for that song the Voice, and
Speaker 9: I hear your voice from Warner Chapel with handwriting you
Speaker 9: know that has like the thing they sent him, things
Speaker 9: like that that are and of a kind.
Speaker 3: So but you know, I have a lot.
Speaker 9: And at a certain point in my life I got
Speaker 9: rid of some things around like gold experience kind of
Speaker 9: I kind of disconnected a little bit, and people came
Speaker 9: after me and was.
Speaker 2: Like, why'd you get rid of things?
Speaker 9: Because I was you know, at a certain point, I
Speaker 9: was buying my first house with my then wife and kids,
Speaker 9: and it was like we need money quick. You know,
Speaker 9: I had these my regrets that I wish you haven't.
Speaker 9: That's why I mentioned that earlier. I had these two
Speaker 9: uh so four sides of I wish you havn't acetates
Speaker 9: that had completely different mixes of the extended Somewhere.
Speaker 3: I have a cassette of it, so maybe you can
Speaker 3: find that.
Speaker 9: But that's something that but I got so much money
Speaker 9: and at the time, you know, I was like, I
Speaker 9: don't know, thirty years old, somebody gave me like fifteen
Speaker 9: thousand dollars for you know. I was like, that's a
Speaker 9: lot of money.
Speaker 2: Do you know who he gave?
Speaker 3: It was some some.
Speaker 9: Some kin I could maybe, but I had, like you know,
Speaker 9: I had some some you know, a couple of pairs
Speaker 9: of shoes and the princes shoes and.
Speaker 3: A couple of pair pair you know.
Speaker 2: Damn, I'm just it just hit me that I forgot
Speaker 2: I have like you have.
Speaker 3: I gave up.
Speaker 2: Even in here. I'm like, man, I wish I had
Speaker 2: some old.
Speaker 3: Way to you just your game like on a big No.
Speaker 1: I got lucky, man, and I will not probably have
Speaker 1: a house in the next three years.
Speaker 2: You'll sell it altered me for twenty bucks.
Speaker 1: Now even you know, what's what's weird is that what
Speaker 1: I have, it's so sacred to me that my I think,
Speaker 1: my plan is that I want him to really have
Speaker 1: a nice wing at the Smithsonian in DC.
Speaker 2: So I believe that I will.
Speaker 1: I mean because right now as we speak, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's on the floor like it's it's it's hot.
Speaker 1: It's seven figures worth of ship that is sitting on
Speaker 1: the floor. And you know, I mean, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'd rather it just be in I'd rather put it
Speaker 1: to awesome, you know, I rather have it put to
Speaker 1: great my apartment.
Speaker 2: So I think that.
Speaker 1: I will probably donate it to my apartment the Smithson.
Speaker 2: I need some stuff for.
Speaker 1: The walls in DC, So damn I wish you we haven't.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that's my you know, that's one of my regrets.
Speaker 9: And there's still a lot of other stuff. I mean,
Speaker 9: I have things, you know, in storage and things in
Speaker 9: closets that I forget about. But it's pretty crazy, like
Speaker 9: some of this stuff you have that love God. Well,
Speaker 9: one time I stalked him at Warner Brothers, a friend
Speaker 9: of mine was working in international. You talk about the
Speaker 9: Oh that was crazy, No, that says stay wet. Actually,
Speaker 9: this is crazy. I found the nineteen ninety nine thing.
Speaker 9: This was when like days after he passed, and this
Speaker 9: is like, you know, holy whatever you call it to
Speaker 9: divine intervention. But long story short, I get a nineteen
Speaker 9: ninety nine record that inside has a napkin one hundred
Speaker 9: percent authentic signs stay Wet, Love Prince in purple marker
Speaker 9: and we have the story goes deep. But yeah, that's
Speaker 9: so that. Yeah, that's one of those stuts.
Speaker 2: What made you look?
Speaker 9: I mean, no, no, they it said like, you know
Speaker 9: something I can't remember. It didn't even have it like
Speaker 9: on the outside it said like it didn't say so
Speaker 9: it was weird. It was like a few hundred bucks,
Speaker 9: so they knew it was something. But I just saw
Speaker 9: the guy putting it up. They hadn't put it up yet.
Speaker 9: I saw the guy in the middle of putting it up,
Speaker 9: and I was like, let me have that, and I figured,
Speaker 9: you know, I look inside, I see the thing, and
Speaker 9: I was like, yeah, I'm buying that. And then yeah,
Speaker 9: that was crazy. But I also had, like, you know,
Speaker 9: I had him sign some stuff. My friend used to
Speaker 9: work at International at Warner Brothers, and I came to
Speaker 9: the I guess it was for Graffiti Bridge and then
Speaker 9: he had the Diamonds and Pearls where they performed on
Speaker 9: the lot. That's when I met Jeff aaroff ended up.
Speaker 9: You remember we were hanging with Jeff back in two
Speaker 9: thousand and nine in New York Mere, the guy who
Speaker 9: signed Lenny and Man Harper and everybody. But anyways, Jeff, uh,
Speaker 9: you know, it kind of stuck me in to watch
Speaker 9: Prince perform the diamonds and pearls thing on the lot.
Speaker 3: And then I had him sign a thing.
Speaker 9: So that's someone that's in my bedroom because he signed
Speaker 9: it to me, not to my name, but signed it.
Speaker 2: I was like that he signed it hard. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I have I've a napping from the first wedding.
Speaker 6: Really yeah, signs to no not signs.
Speaker 3: Of those such a geek weird.
Speaker 2: It was a gift. Somebody gave it to me.
Speaker 1: The way that he signed that, he sharp et the
Speaker 1: the get off twelve inch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did something.
Speaker 1: Similar to shocka Delica, So I think, yeah, I have
Speaker 1: the I have the Shaka Delicate or I have like whatever.
Speaker 2: He said that.
Speaker 1: He told Alan like have da da da play this
Speaker 1: record and he signed it and and you know Camille
Speaker 1: Shaka Delica and gave it to Alan to give to
Speaker 1: the DJ to play it and then bring it back.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, I'm still stuggling.
Speaker 2: I wish you haven't.
Speaker 9: They were like forced and they get off twelve and
Speaker 9: you're talking about.
Speaker 7: I was there when he got it, used to hang
Speaker 7: out back then, and he had it before anybody else
Speaker 7: and he said, look at this, and he's still he.
Speaker 9: Got a package from Paisley Park one day and I'd
Speaker 9: been I see, I was consulting for like anti piracy.
Speaker 9: I was a total hypocrite because I was collecting all
Speaker 9: the ship and they were paying me to like do
Speaker 9: anti piracy work. But basically it was, you know, I was.
Speaker 2: Just compared with Pigeon.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So basically like and I was like, you know,
Speaker 9: these are the I would make databases and all that stuff.
Speaker 9: And so they started sending me, you know, test pressings and.
Speaker 7: This guy, honestly it was it was because he'd always
Speaker 7: had some crazy stuff. He was always getting amazing stuff.
Speaker 7: And you still had a relationship with Lenny way back
Speaker 7: then because but he when he got the twelve inch
Speaker 7: of of Get Off, he like showed me and Brian,
Speaker 7: who used to hang out with and we were just
Speaker 7: dumbfounded by this thing, going, this is the coolest thing,
Speaker 7: and nobody had it.
Speaker 3: Because it was weird.
Speaker 9: He shipped it like two weeks later, so three weeks later,
Speaker 9: so I was and I was trying to see, like, wait,
Speaker 9: is this the actual writing on it?
Speaker 8: Like he still has the FedEx package that it came.
Speaker 3: From Paisley because I'm because I have a geek.
Speaker 1: And then I got yeah, I ship away. Well, I
Speaker 1: used to work at rough Bound Records, interned there and
Speaker 1: they sent like five of those on esther fans really
Speaker 1: and my.
Speaker 9: Mom the package, the package I got for that, it's
Speaker 9: another Paisley thing and it's got the gold sex CMF
Speaker 9: wrapped in underwear with the sex MF with the fan
Speaker 9: and a card from Print saying you know the.
Speaker 3: New blah blah blah. And I still have that thing
Speaker 3: pretty intact.
Speaker 9: But you know, there's there was There was at Zanzibar
Speaker 9: the night where we were at Zanzibar, and that's what
Speaker 9: I was working on the Ultimate Prince thing with Warner Brothers,
Speaker 9: and I had like the he really like got in
Speaker 9: my head and about about it, and he was he
Speaker 9: got an advance for he knew it was, you know,
Speaker 9: it was a real thing and he was down with it.
Speaker 9: But he asked me to take off certain songs because
Speaker 9: of his belief. So take Away, Erotic City, Soft and Wet.
Speaker 1: There was one more the twelve inches and on twelve
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Print.
Speaker 9: No, we had to take it off, so you know,
Speaker 9: thanks to Michael. Now it's out in the sound, in
Speaker 9: the right sound on the Purple Rain thing. But so
Speaker 9: I said, can I put Let's Work instead? So we
Speaker 9: replaced Let's Work and then for soft and what he
Speaker 9: wanted the acoustic version of seven. So it was like, Okay,
Speaker 9: that's not really the same thing. But but that night
Speaker 9: he had a I still have this. It was an
Speaker 9: acetate of I don't know why I got that. It
Speaker 9: was like a parting gift.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 9: Maybe it was for somebody else and he thought it
Speaker 9: was somebody else. But it's a sex cmf remix with
Speaker 9: mixed with like ice cube wrapping.
Speaker 3: I remember that.
Speaker 9: It's like, but it's it's an ice cube track. It's
Speaker 9: not ice cube on prints. It's a it's like a
Speaker 9: like a Medley kind of yeah, mash up. But so
Speaker 9: I'll dig that up for you. I'll send you that.
Speaker 9: It's it's just but you know, things like that. I'm
Speaker 9: sure if I someday, I'm gonna actually, you know, organize
Speaker 9: my stuff.
Speaker 1: What is your wish as far as the legacy's concerned,
Speaker 1: what's your.
Speaker 7: I think there's so much potential to do. I would,
Speaker 7: first off, would love to see serious XM station that's
Speaker 7: just just prints or something like that.
Speaker 8: I would love to see.
Speaker 1: Did you not tell me that at the time you
Speaker 1: guys that conversation did you.
Speaker 8: Have, because I would love to see.
Speaker 7: To me, you got a Tom Petty station, you got
Speaker 7: a Bruce station, and I would love to smell. I'd
Speaker 7: love to see it right now because you could have
Speaker 7: all the different shows. You have a live show, you
Speaker 7: have a Bobby's he doing the DJ thing that he
Speaker 7: used to do. I think something like that would be amazing.
Speaker 7: And the problem right now is that the legacy of
Speaker 7: Prince is going to start to get smaller and smaller
Speaker 7: and smaller. And it's our job to keep expanding it.
Speaker 7: You know, Michael Jackson, it is important to us. But
Speaker 7: Michael Jackson's legacy is drifting because the reissues are having,
Speaker 7: yeah exactly, the re issues are having are not the Halloween.
Speaker 8: Thing care that was, soone's like, what the you know?
Speaker 7: But with Prince, he's got such a vast vault of stuff,
Speaker 7: some great, some not as great. It's up to us
Speaker 7: to kind of get you know.
Speaker 2: Well, there's enough for released twenty great records.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, he's got a lot of great stuff, a
Speaker 7: lot of and I'm hoping what the State does and
Speaker 7: what Warner Brothers did. First off, I hope everything goes
Speaker 7: to Warner Brothers. I want it under one house. He
Speaker 7: may have had problems out with Warner Brothers at certain times,
Speaker 7: but it seems that Warner Brothers is never going to
Speaker 7: release what they have. I would like to see everything
Speaker 7: going to one place so you can have the greatest
Speaker 7: hit exactly, and you can, and then you don't have
Speaker 7: to fight about what when he did a session in
Speaker 7: eighty five that didn't come out, well, that would be
Speaker 7: under this umbrella, as opposed to somebody saying, well, that
Speaker 7: didn't come out, so this he He also did a
Speaker 7: lot of albums that as you know, he did a
Speaker 7: lot of albums that he gave to Warner Brothers saying
Speaker 7: release this, and they didn't. So when people complained that,
Speaker 7: well he didn't intend to release this, no, he actually
Speaker 7: there's a lot of things he wanted to release that
Speaker 7: Warner Brothers are something that said no.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a lot of things like that.
Speaker 7: And on top of that, he would he would be
Speaker 7: very interested in something for Monday and Tuesday of a week,
Speaker 7: and that would be the most important thing. And then
Speaker 7: Wednesday come along and you get a new idea and
Speaker 7: he say no, screw Monday and Tuesday. This is wednes
Speaker 7: That didn't mean Monday and Tuesday stuff is bad. It
Speaker 7: just meant that he all of a sudden happened. He
Speaker 7: had a very short attention span and and I think
Speaker 7: he was really good at starting projects because that's when
Speaker 7: it's fun. You know, you're dating somebody and you want
Speaker 7: to you want you fall in love with the thing.
Speaker 8: But wrapping it up is.
Speaker 7: Is a little more difficult because it's it's the end
Speaker 7: of a relationship. So he would get interested in the
Speaker 7: new girl or the new girl, the new girl, the
Speaker 7: new song, the new song, the new song. And I
Speaker 7: think that so he has a lot of unfinished projects.
Speaker 7: I'd love to hear the flesh out there. I'd love
Speaker 7: to hear a Madhouse box set. I'd love to hear
Speaker 7: Vanity six and Apollonia's six box set. I'd like to
Speaker 7: hear unreleased Revolution album The.
Speaker 2: Garden.
Speaker 7: Even though some of that stuff was released on that album,
Speaker 7: there's more stuff there and I'd love to hear that stuff.
Speaker 8: I'd love to hear all the songs.
Speaker 7: I'd love to see a Sign of the Times multidisc
Speaker 7: set of all the stuff that came out for that.
Speaker 7: You know, with Dream Factory and all all that stuff.
Speaker 7: There's so many projects that the guy did that it
Speaker 7: seems like you could be releasing these things for a
Speaker 7: long long time. I would also like to see them
Speaker 7: taking some of the rehearsals and sound checks and saying, Okay,
Speaker 7: this is when he taught the band Purple Rain, or
Speaker 7: this is when he taught you know, and have let's
Speaker 7: say a year long process where once a month or
Speaker 7: twice a month.
Speaker 8: They come out with a tape. You know, they just
Speaker 8: a tape that.
Speaker 7: Is the rehearsal of something, and you subscriptions to the
Speaker 7: year and you get this download and that to me
Speaker 7: would be the best thing because and it doesn't have.
Speaker 2: To be perfect.
Speaker 7: It can be a flawed tape. We all understand this
Speaker 7: was like a set. But yeah, by now it's weird.
Speaker 8: Hearing something that sounds good. I don't understand this.
Speaker 7: But there's so many things that that you know, I
Speaker 7: think are out there that I think should be. One
Speaker 7: of the cool things about doing the book and stuff
Speaker 7: like this is because I get an idea of some
Speaker 7: of the things that are out there, and I'm thinking
Speaker 7: about doing a book that's eighty five eighty six which
Speaker 7: would cover Under the Cherry Moon, which would cover Madhouse,
Speaker 7: which would cover Sheila's second and third album, which would
Speaker 7: cover The Flesh, which would cover Crystal Ball, which would
Speaker 7: cover a it's a jazz.
Speaker 1: Group he did with during Christmas here, yeah, exactly exactly
Speaker 1: exactly a billion, So it would be that and then
Speaker 1: that album end or the book ends.
Speaker 8: The second book would end with the Revolution.
Speaker 7: Breaking up, the family breaking up, and then prints breaking
Speaker 7: up with uh Susannah, and then the last thing he
Speaker 7: does that year is recording Wally, you know, And that's
Speaker 7: right before the Sign of the Times band got formed,
Speaker 7: so it sets up Sign of the Times, which Sign
Speaker 7: of the Times is kind of a way of him saying,
Speaker 7: you think it was all about them, I'll show you
Speaker 7: what I can do with a new band, almost a
Speaker 7: completely new band, and and you know, almost feeling like
Speaker 7: he had something to prove.
Speaker 8: So that would be the book.
Speaker 7: After that, I'd love to keep doing books, you know,
Speaker 7: And like I said, until till it's done. I have
Speaker 7: enough material right now to do one about eighty one,
Speaker 7: eighty two, eighty five, eighty six, and eighty seven eighty eight.
Speaker 8: And I'm hoping that along the way.
Speaker 2: Three I know, you know your wife is still.
Speaker 7: You Yeah, yeah, she My daughter is funny. My daughter's eight,
Speaker 7: and she just all she knows is Dad sits and writes, so.
Speaker 8: She just she'll try to.
Speaker 7: I just wrote a book too, Dad, you know, it's
Speaker 7: very nice. But she doesn't understand that on every vacation,
Speaker 7: every night and every weekend, Dad sitting there writing, you know,
Speaker 7: And it's it's it's obsession, you know. And the interesting
Speaker 7: thing is I see it almost like Prince when he
Speaker 7: got obsessed with doing his stuff, working all the time,
Speaker 7: and it's almost like a life lesson when you see
Speaker 7: what Prince accomplished. There's a reason why he's got a
Speaker 7: vault full of stuff is because he was always working.
Speaker 7: And that's the reason why he was so good. Is
Speaker 7: he was always playing. And before a concert he would
Speaker 7: play for hours while they were still setting up the lights.
Speaker 8: He'd be playing.
Speaker 7: You know, you when you know that kind of stuff,
Speaker 7: there's a reason why he's he's that good and and
Speaker 7: there's a reason why nobody touches him.
Speaker 8: And that's why there's the reason why there's no next Prince.
Speaker 5: Because Prince never never not showed up to reheard, right.
Speaker 7: That's He just that guy lived music, He talked music.
Speaker 7: I think that his communication with people was based on music.
Speaker 7: He had a There was one story I heard that
Speaker 7: would be in the second book where his engineer was
Speaker 7: he's talking his engineering. He said, we should make a
Speaker 7: TV show called drum Talk where one drummer's going the
Speaker 7: other drumm's going and answering each other, like in drum talk.
Speaker 7: And I thought, that's that's courteous.
Speaker 8: But this is how he thinks. This is how this
Speaker 8: is how he thinks, and you know this, and so yeah, again.
Speaker 9: One thing I just wanted to add what you're saying,
Speaker 9: sorry real quick, is that because of the haters, and
Speaker 9: we deal with a lot of haters, is that let's
Speaker 9: remember that Prince was back at Warner Brothers. When people,
Speaker 9: you know, say, oh, Warner Brothers, Warner Brothers. He was
Speaker 9: back with Warner Brothers. That's why Michael was his A
Speaker 9: and R guy, you know when he passed. And the
Speaker 9: other thing is when people talk about he didn't want this,
Speaker 9: he didn't want that. I have first had experienced with
Speaker 9: Ruth there many times where because I before I was
Speaker 9: a photographer, really I was doing all the I still
Speaker 9: do a lot of photographer.
Speaker 5: He's taking pictures, deluxe editions.
Speaker 9: And all that stuff. And I used to give him
Speaker 9: those things and and he would. And when I give
Speaker 9: him to Miles Davis bitches brew fortieth anniversary box that
Speaker 9: I did, the first thing he said is we got
Speaker 9: to do you know, I want to do this with
Speaker 9: all my albums.
Speaker 3: So when people say he wouldn't.
Speaker 9: Want this, you and he was a Gemini, so he would,
Speaker 9: you know, want one thing one day. But I just
Speaker 9: wanted to put that out there that he did say
Speaker 9: that on many occasions and that he was back of
Speaker 9: Warner Brothers.
Speaker 2: That's all right, Ruth, your turn. What would you like
Speaker 2: his legacy to be?
Speaker 5: You know, I think it started during I mean it's
Speaker 5: always been there, but during my tenures when he wanted
Speaker 5: to create a museum droid at the beginning at a
Speaker 5: park at Paisley Park. So it was Dave Hampton, myself,
Speaker 5: Sam Jennings, and Rick Pelaquin who managed you know, Paisley
Speaker 5: at the time. And you know, I haven't been. I
Speaker 5: don't know what it looks like right now. I've seen
Speaker 5: kind of pictures and I'm a little disappointed, only because
Speaker 5: you know it's going along the lines. It's a very
Speaker 5: different I don't want to put words into Prince's mouth.
Speaker 5: I knew what he said to me at the time
Speaker 5: and the timeframe and during when I was with him,
Speaker 5: what he wanted. But then he you know, he could
Speaker 5: change his mind on a whim. I mean, there's a
Speaker 5: movie that he made. It's a terrible movie. But there
Speaker 5: is a movie thirty one twenty one, really and.
Speaker 3: It's the performances, the music.
Speaker 7: I know about the movie. I've never seen it. It's
Speaker 7: just something I should see.
Speaker 3: Apparently not.
Speaker 8: I've wasted a lot of bad things.
Speaker 5: But they're lying lying.
Speaker 9: Nobody say that the studio bits are cool because it's him.
Speaker 5: The studio bits are like really impainful studio in the studio,
Speaker 5: we filmed inside of.
Speaker 9: The session with Study and Michael.
Speaker 5: There's some really good performance parts, but the project whatever, anyway.
Speaker 9: It's it makes out that the Cherry Moon look like
Speaker 9: gone with the Wind.
Speaker 2: I watch Purple Rain for the narrative.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 8: I don't know, but I mean the better than the
Speaker 8: hard life.
Speaker 3: You don't want to know.
Speaker 2: That's a horrible that's a.
Speaker 1: Horrible you had we know Prince in movies are it's
Speaker 1: like a short fifteen minute film that they I think
Speaker 1: they like badr Okay, let me say this The Hard Life.
Speaker 3: It's kas next to.
Speaker 1: Now don't stop serving me anyway.
Speaker 5: But I think I think just because Prince would say,
Speaker 5: you know so one of the ideas, and I have
Speaker 5: quotes from like my work notebooks of what he wanted.
Speaker 5: He wanted Paisley Park to be an interactive, multi dimensional
Speaker 5: place where fans knew and old could come and discover
Speaker 5: and rediscover music. And part of his you know, saying
Speaker 5: that he would say all the time is I am music.
Speaker 5: And you know, one of the ideas was like He's like,
Speaker 5: we could hang a guitar here, you know, underneath some
Speaker 5: acrylic and I'm like, no, that's not what you do.
Speaker 5: You hang a guitar here, you have a suspended and
Speaker 5: like suspended animation, have a twirling you can have a
Speaker 5: hologram of all the music or the shows of what
Speaker 5: that guitar played on. And I don't know anything about
Speaker 5: Prince and his music and like the songs, but I
Speaker 5: you know, I know what I think would be cool
Speaker 5: to go into a interactive museum and kind of like
Speaker 5: you know, the Met Museum where you put on like
Speaker 5: the headphones and either they can be guided or they
Speaker 5: can be you know, via headphones, and you as you
Speaker 5: walk through each area, you are you know, you walk
Speaker 5: into an experience. Because that's what the parties were. The
Speaker 5: parties were a multi dimensional experience. You were you were
Speaker 5: assaulted through sound, through smell, through taste. It would like
Speaker 5: we used all your senses and that was what we
Speaker 5: were trying to do with Paisley Park. Now what I
Speaker 5: saw in a picture, I mean, I'm not not to
Speaker 5: diss anyone or anything, but I saw like a utility
Speaker 5: closet popped out and a curlic not even the door
Speaker 5: jams are taken out, and like there's a guitar just
Speaker 5: lying there just because Prince tells you to do that.
Speaker 5: That's not That's not how I work anyway. I don't
Speaker 5: like that's the basic of what he wants, the bare minimum.
Speaker 5: And if it's done like that, you know, he's a
Speaker 5: he's a quick moving guy. So if it's already done,
Speaker 5: he's just gonna keep it moving. But what I would
Speaker 5: love to see for his legacy is the things that
Speaker 5: we talked about but implemented in the most suffil Thank you,
Speaker 5: Thank you, took the words right out of my mouth.
Speaker 5: We're not beyond. It's not classy, it's it's more like
Speaker 5: it's got to change. So whatever is implemented has to
Speaker 5: be able to morph at just like he did. He
Speaker 5: morphed and he changed. He changed, but he didn't like
Speaker 5: there were the core things. His core thing with Prince
Speaker 5: was always the record company. Like he was always going
Speaker 5: to fight the record company. It didn't matter whether he
Speaker 5: was friends with them or not. He was always he
Speaker 5: was always gonna look at an attorney side eyed. Always
Speaker 5: he didn't trust attorneys. No matter who tells you what,
Speaker 5: he didn't trust them. You know, you can say that
Speaker 5: like three does a blels lowered, it'll still be true.
Speaker 5: Like he you know, there were there were certain things
Speaker 5: about him and like Duayanne and meant to you and
Speaker 5: everyone here says like he would change his mind, then
Speaker 5: he would change it back. So what I can say
Speaker 5: to you right now could almost be like solid truth.
Speaker 5: But then you know, the last couple of years, a
Speaker 5: lot of things happened that that I would have never
Speaker 5: even foreseen because of all the things that he said
Speaker 5: to me. You know, over and over and over again
Speaker 5: that he would never do and some of the things
Speaker 5: were done therefore, you know, who's to say, but the best,
Speaker 5: the best implementation of his legacy would be to have
Speaker 5: the music released, but in a timely manner after it's
Speaker 5: been well curated and and and and you know, all
Speaker 5: the anthology, the prince anthologists that are present or whoever
Speaker 5: needs to be involved with that, knowing what needs to
Speaker 5: what what you know, come to a consensus and agreement
Speaker 5: like my dream and I had I had already. I
Speaker 5: had told him this when we were talking about his
Speaker 5: the day we talked about as well, and he was like,
Speaker 5: oh why because he asked me why he should have
Speaker 5: a will and I'm like, because somebody needs to manage
Speaker 5: your state. And he's like, why you think you're gonna
Speaker 5: manage it? And I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 5: did a really good job. If you were good if
Speaker 5: you ask me the question, He's like, oh, all by yourself,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, no, I would have like a tribe
Speaker 5: of people managing. You would take one old band member,
Speaker 5: not all of them, because there's a lot of stuff happening,
Speaker 5: and you would rotate. There would be two positions you
Speaker 5: would rotate. It would be the band members and it
Speaker 5: would be maybe some sort of super fan base. The
Speaker 5: other ten they would be executives. There would be you know,
Speaker 5: music and you would be your music industry executives. There
Speaker 5: would be your counterparts like Lenny Kravitz or you know,
Speaker 5: somebody like that. And then you would have you know,
Speaker 5: maybe one former employee. But even that should be rotated
Speaker 5: because power just is strange when it comes to Prince.
Speaker 5: It's where I learned how to hate everybody. So it
Speaker 5: would literally be a tribe of people sort of curating
Speaker 5: and finding the best alternative for you know, because everybody's
Speaker 5: got the version. Well that Prince would never do that, Well, no,
Speaker 5: you wouldn't do it, but he didn't leave direction, so
Speaker 5: you have to take the next best things in order
Speaker 5: to secure his legacy, to move it forward and to
Speaker 5: introduce it to the masses. Like I like Matt too,
Speaker 5: Like when we talk, he tells me something new all
Speaker 5: the time that I didn't know about Prince because I
Speaker 5: only knew the person. Really the musician is something that
Speaker 5: I am still discovering, and that would be like a
Speaker 5: dream to have that sort of cemented, if you know,
Speaker 5: the estake could just sort of set a hard and
Speaker 5: fast guideline or something that's concrete, like a like a
Speaker 5: serious documentary, which I've talked to other people about, and
Speaker 5: something that just takes in everything and you don't have
Speaker 5: there's not enough time to go over it's like a documentary.
Speaker 5: It would be like ten hours. There's just too much.
Speaker 5: He did on so many different levels.
Speaker 7: And I add one or two things real quick. You
Speaker 7: would mention documentary. We were talking earlier about ken Burns
Speaker 7: type thing. It's why I'm watching the One of a
Speaker 7: Vietnam or he did the Jazz one. Imagine a ten
Speaker 7: hour PBS documentary about it. I know, which would be great.
Speaker 7: And I make documentaries for a living. This has to
Speaker 7: be something I would love to do. But one thing
Speaker 7: I wanted to make. You brought something that reminded me
Speaker 7: something that I think has been forgotten. And a lot
Speaker 7: of the stuff that's being done is all the people
Speaker 7: that work for them, the pure and alumni and people
Speaker 7: like that that really were there. Like you were saying,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of people who understand his legacy because
Speaker 7: of the pocket they were in and to have it,
Speaker 7: and I think that it's going to waste by not
Speaker 7: by the estate, not kind of checking in with some
Speaker 7: of these people. I would love to see them do
Speaker 7: a Prince Day at just for the people who used
Speaker 7: to work for them, and say, you guys can all
Speaker 7: kind of Paisley Park, take out your cameras, take pictures
Speaker 7: and make it like a picnic day for all you
Speaker 7: guys can kind of get back together and have a
Speaker 7: fun day. But it seems to be so secretive right now,
Speaker 7: and they don't like to do that to me that
Speaker 7: there's engineers and there's band members that have stories to tell.
Speaker 7: And that's one of the reasons I wrote a book,
Speaker 7: and that's one of the reasons we all love articles
Speaker 7: and stuff like this about this stuff. And that's one
Speaker 7: of the reasons you you know, people come on your
Speaker 7: show because we want to hear these stories. And these
Speaker 7: stories are going to die if these aren't told. And
Speaker 7: these stories are what keeps Prince alive. And when I
Speaker 7: hear these, it's like he's back again, and we're never
Speaker 7: going to get him back and again there's never gonna
Speaker 7: be another Prince. So it's up to everybody else to
Speaker 7: tell these stories and to put the pieces together. We're
Speaker 7: never going to get the full picture. But the responsibility
Speaker 7: of everybody right now is to tell the truth and
Speaker 7: to tell what they remember.
Speaker 8: I know, but I'm saying to tell that tell the
Speaker 8: truth as much as they can.
Speaker 5: So many revised historically.
Speaker 7: Well that's true, but I think that people are getting
Speaker 7: ignored and accidentally ignored or actually written off. And there's
Speaker 7: a lot of people that had you know, I would
Speaker 7: never have known the glass cutter story. And now I'm
Speaker 7: going to always think about that exactly.
Speaker 8: I'd be fired just tag me to it. But but
Speaker 8: I think that there's there's stories like this.
Speaker 7: I mean, somebody, Joe Willis was telling me that there
Speaker 7: was a the song shake. He was gonna make a
Speaker 7: shake in the in the in the kitchen and he
Speaker 7: came up with shake. He's like, I'll be right back,
Speaker 7: and you know, goes so that kind of stuff. There
Speaker 7: was another one somebody told me that the house quake
Speaker 7: was he was walking across the floor going out to
Speaker 7: dinner here in one of the studios and his feet
Speaker 7: made that sound it and and he's like, dinner's off,
Speaker 7: and he went back to the drammon went poop poom,
Speaker 7: you know, and and and you go, you guys always
Speaker 7: feeding the machine.
Speaker 8: So he's always looking.
Speaker 7: For that that, like you said, a casual conversation somebody
Speaker 7: could have, becomes a joke you throw away, becomes a
Speaker 7: song title or becomes a part.
Speaker 5: He's one of my jokes.
Speaker 8: He would steal this stuff all the time.
Speaker 5: With this song is so good, I'm starting to like ovulate.
Speaker 8: And what do you do?
Speaker 5: He made it into like a weird lyric. It was
Speaker 5: terrible exactly he would he would station. I was like, Prince,
Speaker 5: that's not good, that's not good.
Speaker 7: But he would pull this kind of stuff from everybody.
Speaker 7: And and that's one of the fun things is you
Speaker 7: can tell his work based on who was around him.
Speaker 7: You can hear Susan Rodgers influence, you can hear Peggy
Speaker 7: my career influence, you can hear each one of these
Speaker 7: band members that you know, Fink was around for this
Speaker 7: long period and so he's got stories to tell it.
Speaker 7: Just to me, I think it's almost criminal that that
Speaker 7: these things aren't being well.
Speaker 5: Hopefully, if there's like a documentary that comes.
Speaker 2: Out, documentary just the oral history of print.
Speaker 8: Stories, Yeah that's true.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna start my book right now, but I do
Speaker 5: want to see because I did mention hashtag me too,
Speaker 5: just I don't want to be slight about it at all.
Speaker 5: That Prince, even though you could be slightly misogynistic and
Speaker 5: kind of a jerk sometimes, he was never, ever, ever,
Speaker 5: as far as I know, inappropriate with women. And I
Speaker 5: just want to put that out there because there's so
Speaker 5: many people like like you know, getting thrown under the
Speaker 5: bus and Dave Chappelle. I just saw him and spend
Speaker 5: some time with him, and you know, he's a lot
Speaker 5: of his comedy is on that. But Prince, even though
Speaker 5: he was all about the sex and and all kind
Speaker 5: of crazy whatever the wild and crazy songs you were
Speaker 5: talking about with those lyrics, he was never ever not
Speaker 5: to me, not to like, anybody that was involved was
Speaker 5: there because they wanted to be there. He was never inappropriate.
Speaker 5: He was never I.
Speaker 2: Think the majority of his fan base happens to agree
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't know how who listens to this,
Speaker 5: and I just want to make that, but I just
Speaker 5: want to make that, like it's like a like a
Speaker 5: very clear statement about who Prince was. And he was
Speaker 5: always a gentleman. He might have been like, you know,
Speaker 5: an asshole sometimes, but he was never well, you know,
Speaker 5: I definitely learned a few things.
Speaker 2: From him, but get me some cereal.
Speaker 1: We went on a cereal one night. That was one
Speaker 1: of my favorite. We went to Rouse to get him
Speaker 1: some cereal. And I thought he did that just to
Speaker 1: break up his suspicion if I was trying to see
Speaker 1: ruth it.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Now you know what he had. No, he had a
Speaker 5: thing about why isn't talking. He's like, tell him Mary,
Speaker 5: he can't come because he talks too much. He's like
Speaker 5: the pot. He's like, he's like he's like talk Like
Speaker 5: bringing him mirror is like having him go snitch to
Speaker 5: the police, you know. But then but then he was
Speaker 5: like relenting would be there.
Speaker 1: All right, Bill, We got to wrap this up. What's
Speaker 1: your wish uh for his legacy?
Speaker 2: I actually would love to It's all pretty much been mentioned.
Speaker 6: But I'd love to see like an app or a
Speaker 6: subscription service that's like based around the app where they
Speaker 6: can continuously rotate content in and out.
Speaker 2: The idea of the MPG Music Club.
Speaker 6: But done properly, but done properly, but done properly, just
Speaker 6: say Jennings.
Speaker 5: But well, I mean, you know, he was that was
Speaker 5: a lot of Prince right, Like you know, Prince wanted
Speaker 5: to have like those weird whatever that hide and seek things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I didn't pay attention to that.
Speaker 3: That was another thing that was started and then just.
Speaker 5: Too busy getting cereal or calling yak so.
Speaker 1: Well all closing saying that probably, I mean, yeah, you guys,
Speaker 1: everything that you guys said, of course I agree with.
Speaker 1: I actually say that I want to be selfish enough
Speaker 1: and maybe.
Speaker 2: Grumpy old guy enough.
Speaker 1: I would like to see the analog version of that
Speaker 1: idea where it's like, maybe it's just me in my
Speaker 1: my middle age wanting to revisit my childhood.
Speaker 2: I don't have room for all that ship.
Speaker 1: We always I'm just saying that for me, especially with
Speaker 1: there being two record store Days, you know, I would
Speaker 1: hear a Record Store Days. Yeah, I would like a
Speaker 1: record store series where it's like, you know, all this
Speaker 1: stuff remastered on wax.
Speaker 2: Of course, this stuff.
Speaker 1: Being you know, we're in forty five culture right now,
Speaker 1: so get the original forty five's reissued the same way mastered,
Speaker 1: you know, the same way, like the excitement of a
Speaker 1: new Prince forty five coming out, what's on the B side?
Speaker 2: That sort of thing. But even then, men like having.
Speaker 6: You know what, I would rather see that done with
Speaker 6: the new stuff that comes out like in the future,
Speaker 6: not the old stuff. Like see the new old stuff,
Speaker 6: get a new print song that I've never heard before
Speaker 6: on forty five with well yeah that too.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, even the stuff that we have, like.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm just saying, there's plenty of you stuff
Speaker 6: out in the world people.
Speaker 5: But you know, Prince didn't like the reason why he
Speaker 5: didn't like the digitized stuff was because of the compression
Speaker 5: and that it would lose the sound and that you
Speaker 5: couldn't hear certain sounds in certain tones, and so it
Speaker 5: didn't have the same life as a record does.
Speaker 6: Nowadays though you can stream lossless audio and it's so
Speaker 6: much easier to do then probably.
Speaker 2: Make a Neil Young poem joke.
Speaker 9: But the Jack White, the way he has his vault,
Speaker 9: like I subscribe to it, my son subscribes to it.
Speaker 3: Those things are amazing. Like every three months you get.
Speaker 9: A ridiculous box that you know, colored vital this that
Speaker 9: books that kind of stuff for guys like us, we
Speaker 9: like this.
Speaker 5: When Tower Records, is it Tower Records that was on
Speaker 5: the corner of something when that when that was going
Speaker 5: out of business Prinson want to buy it?
Speaker 2: You want to buy it?
Speaker 5: An open a record store there, and he's like, and
Speaker 5: I want you to write Oh no.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, call it recost.
Speaker 5: He wanted to do. Yeah. Well, he also wanted me
Speaker 5: to open a Caroline's out here and I was like, no,
Speaker 5: comedy club. Yeah, he was like, you could be like
Speaker 5: Caroline interesting.
Speaker 1: You know what for all the talk of like question
Speaker 1: you should be there and curat. I don't.
Speaker 2: I want to. I want to be a fan.
Speaker 1: I wanna you know when Records Store Day happens in April.
Speaker 2: I wanna you know.
Speaker 1: The feeling that I had hearing the that that, uh,
Speaker 1: the reissue of We Can Funk or whatever? Ye like,
Speaker 1: I knew that was the last time that I'd have
Speaker 1: that feeling I had when I was like eleven, like
Speaker 1: hearing the little Recorvette remix for the first time, Like
Speaker 1: what the hell is he.
Speaker 2: Like staring at the speaker. It's hard to please Prince Vance.
Speaker 1: I'll apologize to all the orgers and all the who
Speaker 1: what other chat room people and stuff.
Speaker 8: All the Facebook groups.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's there's no laying they are still around,
Speaker 1: an't they There's no there's no level of happiness. There's
Speaker 1: just like making them angry.
Speaker 2: The least.
Speaker 1: Class half half empty. Now my fans, just like you
Speaker 1: guys are pretty.
Speaker 3: Much I wonder I wonder about some of those people.
Speaker 2: At the at the end.
Speaker 1: Of the day, this is just just a step back,
Speaker 1: a conversation with with with friends, purple friends, nobody know nothing.
Speaker 2: I wanted to do that, Michael. I thank you guys
Speaker 2: for thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Let me crash this.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait, this is my PostScript, Ruth. Do
Speaker 1: you have a silly story anything like something super Yah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have got one.
Speaker 3: Just yeah.
Speaker 5: Speaking of being traffic yea. So one time the Princess
Speaker 5: driver couldn't pick him up from he was from here. No,
Speaker 5: it isn't from here. It was another studio on the
Speaker 5: West Side. He was editing the movie that we shall
Speaker 5: not speak of and movie shut up, oscar winning movie,
Speaker 5: and so I had a hoopie at the time. It
Speaker 5: was an infinity. It was like a nice in the No,
Speaker 5: it was an infinity. It was like he was like
Speaker 5: in two thousand and five, two thousand and six, and
Speaker 5: like I got it at a police action so that
Speaker 5: the front seats were ripped up. Good listen. It was
Speaker 5: on set. I'm like, I like to buy new youths.
Speaker 5: I am frugal with my money anyway. Stupid sometimes, but definitely.
Speaker 5: So I regardless, I was in the car and I
Speaker 5: was like, damn it, I'm in my car. He's gonna
Speaker 5: call my car. They looked nice from the outside, but
Speaker 5: once you said in it. So I go to the
Speaker 5: trunk and I had some Musicology T shirts in there,
Speaker 5: but this one had like it was like a prototype
Speaker 5: or whatever, and it had his face on it. And
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'll just put the T shirt on because
Speaker 5: I didn't want to slack. I knew what he was
Speaker 5: wearing that day, and he had like some silky slinky
Speaker 5: pants and they're like sky blue, and so I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: he's gonna get all He's gonna be mad if you
Speaker 5: get some snags. So let me put the T shirt on.
Speaker 5: So I go all the way to the west side
Speaker 5: in Santa Monica and I go and you know, where
Speaker 5: are you?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 5: He's calling me and I'm like I'm driving and he's like, well,
Speaker 5: I'm ready now. I was like, dude, I'm like it's traffic.
Speaker 5: And I get there and he's standing there waiting for
Speaker 5: me person like sucking in his cheeks and pursing his lips.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just annoy that I was. No, it
Speaker 5: was somewhere in Santa Monica. I can't remember something it
Speaker 5: might have been. So I go and I pick him up,
Speaker 5: and you know, I don't get out of my car
Speaker 5: because it's like, you know, he just walks over to me,
Speaker 5: or he doesn't walk, and Prince never walks. He floats
Speaker 5: or flutters or whatever it is that he does. And
Speaker 5: then he sort of like appears in the seat. I
Speaker 5: never see him actually get in, and he looks at it.
Speaker 5: He looks at the seat and he sees the T
Speaker 5: shirt there, and I'm like, you have to sit on
Speaker 5: the T shirt because I don't want your clothes to snag.
Speaker 5: And he doesn't say anything. He starts scowling at me,
Speaker 5: and he's struggling with the seatbelts and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna get the seatbelts. So I reach over
Speaker 5: like a child and I'm like him in. So I
Speaker 5: buckle him in the car. And then it's it's fresh
Speaker 5: hour traffic. It's like five o'clock in the afternoon, and
Speaker 5: he's sitting in there, and I could tell he's mad,
Speaker 5: and I just see him from like the side of
Speaker 5: my eyes is fingering the the phrase of the of
Speaker 5: the stretched open leather like a like a like pig's guts,
Speaker 5: you know. He's like just touching it. And he's like,
Speaker 5: why did not Stacy Snyder or Ali Shermer buy you
Speaker 5: a new car? And I'm like what. And he's like,
Speaker 5: why didn't your old bosses buy you a new car?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, that's that's that's none of how it works, Brince,
Speaker 5: like unless it's a company car, Like why would they?
Speaker 2: Why would they buy me a new car?
Speaker 5: And I was like, I won't you buy me a
Speaker 5: new car? And he's like, you shouldn't be riding around
Speaker 5: a car like this, and I'm like, why it runs?
Speaker 5: And he was like look around and we were like
Speaker 5: in you know, deadlock traffic, and he's like, do you
Speaker 5: think anyone would believe that Prince is in this car?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 10: No, they were tinted, and so it was a long
Speaker 10: it's a long story, but it's a long ass trip
Speaker 10: back to freaking Beverly Hills or wherever he was staying out.
Speaker 5: He was standing at the Boozer House some stories at
Speaker 5: the Boozer House too.
Speaker 2: Did you ever get the car from him?
Speaker 5: No, but I did. I did end up getting and
Speaker 5: he's like when he when I dropped him off. I
Speaker 5: finally dropped him off, and he was like because he started,
Speaker 5: you know with there were people walking by, like he
Speaker 5: would taut people and he would like look at them,
Speaker 5: and people would double take because it was odd to
Speaker 5: see somebody like him and then look and then and
Speaker 5: then they would go back and be like, oh no,
Speaker 5: it's just something dude that looks He's like, see see
Speaker 5: nobody believes princes in the car, he would think, but
Speaker 5: there was something about it. But we had like there
Speaker 5: was another like they had a couple of car things,
Speaker 5: like there was one time that we were in the
Speaker 5: car with guy Siri and he rolls down the limo
Speaker 5: window because he's these kids in the car next to us.
Speaker 5: They're singing loud. They're like and he rolls down guys
Speaker 5: trying to talk. He has a meeting with him in
Speaker 5: the limo, and he rolls down the limo like halfway
Speaker 5: and it goes. He looks over them and he just goes.
Speaker 5: He puts a shush, but he doesn't say it. He
Speaker 5: just goes like this.
Speaker 11: The kids turn around and they go, oh wow.
Speaker 5: Guy Series talking to him like I couldn't stop. I
Speaker 5: started cracking out.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Well, that's a great note to end or.
Speaker 1: All Right, ladies and gentlemen, this is Quest Love signing
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Speaker 2: We will see you on the next go round.
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