WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Purple Roundtable 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.280 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.040 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:24.360 Ladies and gentlemen, What's Up? 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:32.280 This is Questlove, namesake of the Quest Love Supreme podcast, 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.960 the award winning Quest Love Supreme podcast, No No, No, 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:41.080 the Webby award winning Quest Love Yes, the three Times 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.199 I'm in the room right now with Sugar Steve, the 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:50.519 Multai Anyway, Welcome to QLs Classic and of course this 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.440 is one of my favorite subjects ever to talk about. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.360 I love nothing else than to nerd out on Prince 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:02.480 conversations with fellow Prince fans. We did this episode back 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:07.679 in twenty eighteen, I believe, and I think and. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.280 Add a bit of trivia Steve. We did this at 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:14.280 the Record Plan was it or Sunset Sound. We did 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:19.120 this in Studio two at Sunset Sound. I believe, the 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:24.280 same room that Prince created a lot of nineteen ninety nine. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:30.440 Special episode. So it's sort of a purple roundtable. Of course, 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:36.440 you know, I got to have luminaries with me former 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:43.520 QL site boss Bill ruth of Art, Prince's former chief 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:49.760 of staff. Ruth is Art Duwayne Tadao, who wrote, in 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:56.560 my opinion, probably two of the best kind of Prince 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.760 anthologies as far as like his creative process. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.960 You need to get those two books. These are must haves. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:09.000 The first one Prints in the Purple Rain Era Studio 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.480 Sessions and his follow up book, Prince in the Parade 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.520 and Sign of the Time Studio Sessions is kind of 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:19.359 a daily diary of how Prince created those three masterpiece 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.800 records and all the ensuing work he did in between 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.160 for his protege's at the time. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:30.400 Was Sheila E and the Apollonius six and whatnot. Last, 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.480 but not least, that's you be talking. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:41.080 World class photographer, and you know he's done stuff with 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.560 Chappelle and done stuff with Lady Kravit's, but you know 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:49.840 he's probably the biggest Prince fanatic and. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:51.799 Collector. 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.720 He has just monstrous. I mean, just listen to the episode, y'all. 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.799 It shouldn't be this long. Welcome to the Purple Round 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:01.960 tae QLs Classic. 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:33.440 M You know, ladies and gentlemen, sometimes when the name 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.600 of the show that you host has your name in it, 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.760 sometimes you get to do things that you want. And 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:44.240 we're going to do an off the cover episode of 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.360 course Love Supreme right now, and we kind of have 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:52.160 a saw, say a Purple Supreme team committee. 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:54.960 Yeah, we kicked everybody else out in the studio and. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.440 Proem no no, no disrespect to our team Supreme. But 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.640 you know, one of the I feel though, in my 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.200 life the two most dangerous things to have as far 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:11.080 as discussion concern is politics. Ever, yeah, politics pars in Purple, 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:17.440 and I try and avoid both, uh at least with 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:18.160 all my might. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.640 But somehow I felt very safe. I will say that. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.640 This is uh a rare. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:29.119 Moment which I'm certain that in the company of Prince 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:33.640 associates that I'm with that this is the moment in 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:38.400 which I know the least about Prince, and I'm actually 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:39.080 fine with that. 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:40.720 I'm actually fine. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.760 So in our circle, of course, we have bost Bill uh, 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.880 producer of course of Supreme UH. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.760 And to his left we have Ruth. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:59.200 I know I got it wrong, Arsati. I've never said 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:00.800 your last name on life, even though I've known you 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:09.200 for eons. Ruth is you know, Ruth has been P's 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:14.080 right hand for a significant period of his life, I 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:21.280 guess between the musicology period and up until thirty one 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.080 twenty or a little bit after that. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.280 Lotus Flower. So it was like almost twenty ten, like 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.800 in the middle of twenty ten. So in Prince here 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.240 is it have been like one hundred and forty four. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:35.640 Yeah, and I as knowing you as I know you. 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.120 Well, Yeah, if you've seen the bit that I did 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:46.039 about finding Nemo, Ruth was the person that had to 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.039 make magic happen for me on my blind datement. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:52.400 But yeah, Ruth is you know. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.760 She she's a first hand witness to his hard work. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:02.120 And we're glad you're here. And to her left we 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.080 have Dwayne Toddell, who too. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.640 Doll, I said, you said you put the wrong and 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:10.360 fastest on the wrong syllable. 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:16.160 With cactus. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:21.120 Yes, all right, So, and you know there's I feel 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.160 I feel like I'm always on dangerous the ground when 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:28.640 I'm declaring anything prince wise, because it might be an 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:32.280 over exaggeration or or you know, someone else will get offended. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.240 But I don't, I don't know. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:43.200 I just feel as though Dwayne's documentation of a Prince's work, 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:47.000 not his life, but his work is personally one of 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:52.120 my favorite A documents because, if anything, I'm more interested 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:56.200 about his work habits than anything. So Dwayne just released 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.280 his uh newest princi book uh entitled give him the title. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.560 First book Princeton the Marine Eras Studio Sessions nineteen eighty 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:04.360 three nineteen. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:11.000 Eighty four, which he thoroughly. Yeah, I got questions for you, bruh. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:20.080 And to his left Matthew Beton, Matthew Beton, the white guy. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.400 From the Chapelle special with Them. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:29.640 Book, Yeah, photographery Shortinar and I you know, I mean you, 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.560 your degree of purplelogy is above. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:38.680 You know, I bound, your presence, your knowledge is amazing. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.160 So just briefly and going in a circle, you know, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.800 I'm just curious at people's beginnings. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.440 So Bill, when did you When did I first discover Prince? Yea, 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.200 this is no. This is actually a. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.480 Story I love to tell and I hate telling stories 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.240 about my life. My first memory ever is me in 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.680 a pair of red Footy pajamas in the basement of 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.600 my parents house in South ben Indiana, in front of 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.640 the floor model television had the built built in stereo 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.040 in it, and Little Red Corvette was playing on the radio. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:09.960 And that is my very first memory. 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.080 Really yeah, So did it affect you anyway or did 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.240 you know you just remember that the song was on? 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:16.200 Was it like, oh shit? 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.960 I don't remember why I don't. I don't know why 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.080 I remember that, but I just remember that moment. And 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:27.040 then another one of my other early childhood memories is 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.000 me and my sister at her friend Terry Hill's house 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.400 listening to nineteen ninety nine and forty five. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.840 How old were you in eighty two? Two going on three? 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:42.200 Oh, that's a early so you were three when you first? Yeah, okay, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.800 i'll see Ruth. Your first Prince encounter. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:50.360 Encounter or memory memory? Well, I mean I grew up 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.160 in church, so did I. I wasn't allowed to listen 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:59.920 to any secular music. So I remember there's this kid 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.000 I went to my school and he used to wear 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.400 makeup and I didn't understand why you would wear makeup, 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.760 And it was because he was a huge Prince fan. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.000 And the only thing I knew about Princess. He was 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:17.720 on our prayer list because braying him to Jesus because 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:22.920 he was, as my mother said, he's a homosexual demonac 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:31.600 So yeah, it was like, that's my first Prince memory. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.480 So when I got the when I got the gig, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.040 go Prince, I literally did not tell my mom for 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:37.040 about four months. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:41.559 What did you tell though? H? Yeah, I did well. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.600 He just like rolled his eyes and I was like, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.200 what you were like masturbating in a bathtub? Like what 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.080 are people supposed to think? I don't do those things anymore. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:51.560 I'm like, well you used to. 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:59.400 Uh probably Hearing Controversy was my first memory, but. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.120 In time in eighty one, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.560 And then in college nineteen ninety nine was the album 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.600 we used to play in our suite or quad and 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.959 just it was before it really hit. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:11.880 And it was fun. 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:13.800 Just kind of a bunch of us just listened to that, 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.200 and also we go to dances. I was in college 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.920 at the time when eighty two and that was the 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:20.920 girls were listening to Prince, and I wanted to be 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.640 around the girls. So I just said, I will learn 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:25.600 to enjoy this music. 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.560 And I think you learned to do a little bit 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:29.880 more than enjoy it, That's true. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:34.200 True, And I and once I started seeing the depth 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.480 of what he had, you know, backs of forty fives 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.280 and stuff like this, and you know, you start to 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.079 become a completist. And so I just ended up buying 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.679 everything because old Horny Toad's on the back of this 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.960 or something like that. So I just went nuts and 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.880 then you know Perverrain and Pervrain was the date movie 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:50.400 that summer. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:55.480 Ah, I see, Matt Well. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.200 I came to visit my mom here in la in 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.160 eighty two because she moved here in eighty two. You 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.840 I was from Paris. I was still living in Paris, 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.520 and I went to Tower Records on Sunset and heard let's 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.360 pretend We're married. So that's my first moment. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:09.720 God, that was your introduction. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:14.800 That's christ and I remember literally thinking, can we Carson 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:15.160 here now? 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:15.760 Yeah? 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.160 Fuck Michael Jackson, That's what I remember thinking. I was 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.240 such a Michael fan, and all of a sudden, I 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.680 was like, what is this Forget Michael Jackson and I 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:24.120 became hooked. 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.280 Yeah, that was my first. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.520 Speak I didn't speak English like I do now, but 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.439 I remember thinking like, Okay, this is cool. I went 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.439 and bought the twelve inch and then it was all 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.000 over from there. I wish I could say it was 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.680 you know, for you, but that was my first real 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.240 prince moment. That is a hell of a way to 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.920 get I drove everybody crazy too with that song, because yeah, 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.400 even my mom liked it, unlike she really like. 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:54.760 That was my first traumatic prince movement. Because punishment. No, 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.320 but just the. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.200 When I heard I want to fuck you so bad 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.880 it hurts, Like, I ran in the studio and took 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.480 that shit off with the I was like, yo, what hell? 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:08.240 Like I didn't know what I was getting into. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:13.280 Like by that point, you know, he was, you know, 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.360 well not safe to listen to, because my dad was like, 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.520 you know, I don't trust that boy in a diaper. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:23.480 You know, was I was nine years old, you remember that. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.520 So that was like getting hooked on prints through that 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.720 at nine years old and bringing it back to friends 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.280 where they didn't really know what the hell he was 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.280 saying anyway, yikes, And so they let me you know, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:33.679 that's crazy. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.280 I guess I think I told her before, but. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:39.760 I was. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.360 It's nineteen seventy eight, so I was seven years old 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:50.760 and my dad had just told my mom that her 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.880 my grandfather had died, and so this is like the 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.720 first traumatic experience of the household. And my mom like 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.880 you just this blood curling scream and her on her knees, 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:04.760 crying and crying and crying and crying. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.800 So wait, I thought this was an ask rufus story. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.600 No, no, no, no, this is uh She's like on 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.360 her knees crying, and now I was crying that they had. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.280 To go on the road. Oh, okay, that's right, that's right. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:23.360 But my sister Drrin like instantly scooped me up and 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.280 was trying to figure out a safe place for me 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:26.360 to be because you know, I was like. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:27.880 Oh, what's wrong, Mommy, what's wrong with mom? 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.120 And she just grabbed some headphones, plucked it into the 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.800 stereo and said, here, put this on now at the time, 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:36.280 and she turned up the volume. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.199 At the time, I remember. 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:45.600 Street Wave by Brothers Johnson was on, but Doug Henderson, 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:53.000 our afternoon DJ of WDSFM, debuted Soft and Wet right 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.960 after that. And the first thing I thought about instantly 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:02.199 was Larry Graham based on his synthesizer work. And well 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:06.040 I later found out that he recorded did he record 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:07.920 it the same studio as as. 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.600 Graham Central Station? They both recorded that record planning. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:15.000 Yeah, so that sort of worldly synthesizer, like, that's the 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:20.080 same synthesizer that Graham Centers Central Station with youth. And 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.280 so I always made the association that this has to 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:29.200 be Larry Graham associated because of this worldly synthesizer thing, 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:30.200 and the whole. 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.120 Tell me do you love me? Like I twenty years 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:32.840 earlier with that. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:38.000 Yeah, no, I just felt that like it It didn't 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.200 knock me out or anything like. It wasn't like a 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.840 moment because even then, like I was lukewarm on Prince, 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.120 like my sister and her girlfriend's thought he was like 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:50.640 cute and all that stuff. But you know, it wasn't 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.880 until I did the The Time association. I Love the Time, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.840 and then it was like, oh, they sound like, oh, 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.280 I get it their associate with him, and then that's 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:02.200 how I got in the prints. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.320 So I kind of had to catch up. 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:05.920 I'm not one of those people like, yeah, I've been 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.000 down with Dirty Mine since nineteen eighty, Like, you know, 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.080 I kind of had to go backwards. So it's kind 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.760 of weird that the album that I take advantage of 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.760 the most, which like because everything's so incredible, like controversy 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.080 always gets lost in the sauce, but all of us 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.280 are saying, practically half of us the saying controversy was 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.160 the the thing that pulled us in. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.200 When I first heard Controversy, I was before I liked 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.920 funk music, but I was a fan of like Kiss 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.120 and the biggest thing, you know, the dirtiest thing they 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:41.040 were saying is Christine sixteen exactly, and so it's like 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:42.720 that's all I knew, And I was like, oh, I 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.920 saw you walking home from school that day, you know, 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.440 which is you know, looking back, it's really kind of bubbleguming. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.840 But at the time in Lectrius, you know, you don't 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.560 realize how letrous Chiane Simmons was. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.040 But I just found out Christine sixteen. 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:02.760 It's a sample for what's tone looks second single that's 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:03.600 Christine sixteen. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.560 Yeah, yeah, like I found out a year ago. 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.440 I was like, yeah, no controversy was I said, definitely 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:16.400 got my interest that the riff that you hear that 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.360 ended up being in the family stuff. It's the same, 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.280 you know that, the same thing that he used over 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.240 and over. But I remember hearing that when I was 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.320 running track, and that was one of these things that 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.200 I would use as a metronome when I was running. 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.520 Really yeah, I did pole vault in high school. I 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:33.640 know five six. 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.040 I can see it as I did do it. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.960 So we're in Sunset Sound Studios right now, and which 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.560 is why, you know, I guess Bill and I thought 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.240 that it would be cool to sort of have this 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:51.080 meaning because this is the place where a lot of 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:55.480 his key songs and his songwriting and his craftsmanship. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:56.560 Really came to light. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:02.360 So one, why did you when did this? When did 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:06.240 it come from? An idea? Oh, I should document the 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.840 creative and to you actually getting into it, Like, what 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:10.159 was the. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.159 You're talking to me? I assume yes, I'm sorry the 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:16.000 audience can't see. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:16.280 Sorry. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.480 I used to work for a magazine called Uptown and 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:25.560 with Pere Nilsen, and we we wrote The Vault, the 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:27.840 book The Vault, and we thought wouldn't it be cool 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.240 to expand that, you know? And I came just a 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.520 lot of the information for the Vault was from here 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.720 Sunset Sound, and I came here and asked them. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:37.880 You know, can I get the work orders? 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:42.240 Just arrogant that question, I guess, and they said yes, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.760 and they let me zerox. And the funny thing is, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.600 as I'm Xeroxingdom, I'm thinking at any time they're going 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.480 to come in here and say, who the fuck are you? 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.000 Yeah, I was gonna say, even with the Vault, like 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.280 how did you get information? 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.120 That's the thing I just I asked and they said sure, 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.760 and I when I got them, they said, you know, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:01.639 there's certain things we don't want you to show in here, 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.080 and I thought, that's fair. You're giving me eight hundred 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.080 pages of documents. And as I got him, I'm like 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.240 feeling like maybe I should go to my car fast 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:10.400 just in case. 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.200 In the party. Lie said, but that's the guy who 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:12.520 is he? 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:12.960 Right? 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.960 And so I got him and they've been great. They 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.640 they I started looking through him, and they're not always 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.200 as accurate as you as you want. Sometimes Prince would 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.600 just say what's your middle name and he'd write down 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.239 Colleen or something like that, So that's not always as 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.160 detailed as you want. But there's a lot of great stuff, 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.080 like in this room. I was looking through the things 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:35.760 to see what was done here. I don't think he 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.240 recorded much in here, but they remixed. They mixed the 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.120 Let's Work twelve inch in here, and the ice cream 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.960 castle was compiled in here, and I think probably edited 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:49.960 in here as well. I think Steve Parknoley was in 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:51.600 the in the control room doing that. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.720 We're in studio one S one versus. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.240 He just basically mostly worked in three and two. Two 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.600 was the one he did a lot of stuff in, 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:04.399 but three became its own. It's its own Uh, it's 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.480 it's self contained. It's got a bathroom and all this stuff. 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.240 So when he was doing most of his big stuff, 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.560 he would be there. So nobody goes into three. Two 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.440 people you know, see and then you see the basketball 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:14.919 court run in between the two. So he'd go out 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.400 there and occasionally see people and stuff like that. But 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.879 he did most of his working two and three and 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.080 and the first thing he did was in eighty one, 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.359 August eighty one, I think he did the Studio three. 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.439 That was stuff for controversy. 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:32.720 We still can't get in the Studio three studio book today. 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:33.840 But did you guys go to Studio two? 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:35.560 No, no, we didn't go too is. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.720 Open seriously, you should look. We went over there earlier 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.120 while you guys were yacking early. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.040 And it was great. It's I've been a couple of times. 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.240 But it's just you go in the room and you 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.520 think this is where Prince, you know, not just Prince. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:55.159 This is the van Halen the doors. Led Zeppelin had 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:56.760 so many bands recorded here. 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.000 This is in Princess kind of. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.399 A footnote on all the stuff that they done it. 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.600 This is a long term studio. These do Disney stuff here, right, 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.920 So this is this is and and so I interviewed 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.080 most of the engineers that worked here, Peggy McCreery and 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.040 Coke Johnson and Susan Rodgers as you know Susan, and 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:15.840 they kind of told me the stories and I started 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.359 realizing this is a book. And a couple of years 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.800 ago my wife said, are you gonna shitter? 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:21.440 Get off the pot? 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.080 Basically, you know, are you gonna write a book or not? 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.240 And I thought, yeah, I did. And I got finished 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.000 with a book about a month before Prince passed. I 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.160 finished it in March of twenty sixteen, and I thought, 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.959 this is great. I'm all excited. And then Prince passed 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.800 and I literally thought, do I bother? Because I didn't 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.680 want to seem like an opportunist, and so I got 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.080 in touch with a lot of people I interviewed and 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:44.800 they said, no, this is history. 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:45.880 You should put it out. 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.440 And so I found a publisher and found a guy 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:49.679 to write the forward for me. 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.359 And I tell you I'm s debt. 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:56.960 Yeah, I'm still heartbroken about Miko's comments to you. 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:01.359 Oh I know, he's like, see me, he was coming 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.879 whose quest? I never met him. And he's it in 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:05.640 all caps too. 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.639 Yeah, so small man, I'm like, yo, dog, I'm like 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.360 your biggest champion. I was rooting for you during that fight. 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.640 But he was uh so yeah, when when You've got 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.159 attached to this, it sent it through the roof because 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:22.760 you open so many doors. 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:23.320 This is an honor. 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:25.600 I know I'm saying this brown nosing right here, but 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.480 it's an honor to share the cover with you because, 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:33.080 uh you know, it's honestly the the connections you have. 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:35.280 And you know, any documentary you look at about MJ 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.480 or Prince you're in and and so it's. 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.200 Any music documentary. 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.280 Yeah, I know. So, so I'm just hoping to ride 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.080 your tail music music. 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.960 Yeah, I think it's important, like to me. 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:51.920 And again, I know that Prince's life is an obsession 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:56.040 to a lot of people. But for me, the thing 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.440 that I want people to take away from it, which 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:03.479 is why I'm so obsessed with all the rehearsal stuff 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:07.040 and all the sound check stuff and all you know, 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:10.320 the work order things and those you know, how many 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.239 hours did he take the track? This thing is is 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:18.040 it's because I really want to hammer the point home 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:24.919 that the importance of being true to your craft and 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:31.960 rehearsal and being bored and being creative, and like, that's 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.600 the things that I'm that I'm obsessed with. 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.960 When I remember when was it cam that gave you 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.040 the couple sheets of this somebody one of the guys 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.000 that have several guys that worked on this with me, 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:48.159 And the comment I got from you was holy shit, 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.160 because you saw the stuff for August of eighty three, 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.400 and that gave me so much hope because you're writing 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:57.359 a vacuum and you never know if people are going 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.160 to enjoy this. Not been a fan. Here's the thing, 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:01.840 I've been a fan for years. I've known Matthew. Matthew, 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.479 I've known each other three decades, and we used to 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:08.000 get together and listen to uh, you know back when 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.880 you'd buy an album that had you know, a song 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:15.960 pretty face it was, you know, exact titles. 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:17.160 On the Chocolate Box. 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.640 So weird, we're having a brd off. 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.239 Yeah, And so who was your first boot leg? 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.240 Oh god, it was probably the Chocolate Box, or or 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.880 it was a Royal Jewels Maybe what. 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:30.960 Was your first boot leg? 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:35.720 I feel like vital it was charade was going. I 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:37.160 remember my friend Benjamin barn. 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:38.800 It never gave it back and I was super pissed 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:40.520 because I paid, like, you know, one hundred bucks for 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:41.399 and you didn't think. 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:42.320 That you'd ever hear it again. 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:48.640 Bill, mine was the ninety three Bagley's Warehouse after show 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:51.840 because from ninety three Sacrifice of Victor. 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.440 Anyway, I love, I love. I loved his guitar solo 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:55.880 on the Ride. 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:57.480 I saw it late night on BT once and I 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.760 had to find out, you know, if that audio was anywhere, 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.440 and I got on like the Paisley Park, well, the PPML. 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.680 I remember the PPML very well, and I remember AOL 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:07.399 used to have the chats Sunday Night Paisley. 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.320 I'm gonna like said, the Paisley Park chat room is 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:12.240 actually how I got my first job in New York. 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.280 Really. Yeah, we'll tell that story later, but really there's. 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.000 A lot of guys together jobs from that because but 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:19.800 Sam Jennings used to be a collector and he was 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:20.560 the same way he. 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:21.480 Ended up working with Prince. 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:21.720 Yeah. 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:25.080 Bill and I have kind of this joke with each other. 0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:28.760 He's mad at me because like in my head, I 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.760 always closed the door after eighty eight, like there's only 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:34.879 room in my heart from seventy eight to eighty eight. No, 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.920 I mean, I have everything, and I acknowledge that there's 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:41.879 there's greatness even after eighty eight. But for me, just 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.080 you know, the things that I hold near and deer 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:45.640 are just seventy eight eighty eight. 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:49.360 There's a big butt after eighty with you, and he. 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:52.080 Yeah, he always like puts something in my face like, yeah, 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:54.440 this is ninety four, you know, and I'm like, no, 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:54.919 here's the. 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:56.400 Thing is I had to write about those, it would 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:58.199 be a little tougher for me because my heart is 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:02.360 eighty to eighty one into eighty eight and maybe even 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:04.520 a little bit of eighty nine Love Sexy Tour Ending. 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:08.560 But after you know, Batman, I'm like Graffiti Bridge. I 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.159 was like, you know, in Diamonds and Pearls, he was 0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.000 trying to be pop, and it was it's good for whatever. 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:13.640 It's enough. 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:16.080 I mean, exactly, exactly, exactly. 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.440 Four hundred songs are enough to write, and. 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.199 I was and I was totally good with that amount. 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.040 And if I just had to focus on that amount, 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:23.800 I'd be good, you know. But the you know, the 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:25.960 guy's got another thirty years after that, so. 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:33.080 You know, so Ruth, I have to ask. 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.800 Because during this particular period that we're talking about, I 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:41.120 know that a lot of his time and a lot 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:46.440 of his hours were in the studio and he kept 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:50.520 tireless hours of working around the clock or whatever. What 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.920 was his regiment from when did you first come aboard? 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:55.520 Right? 0:25:55.560 --> 0:26:00.280 As a musicology tour started twenty four two in three, 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:06.880 two thousand and four, and he, uh, you know Dave Hampton, 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:12.480 I think you know the engineer. He created this mobile 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:16.840 recording studio for him, so as he came into la 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:18.439 we would run out of places and he would be 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.880 up to all hours of the night. But specifically, one 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:26.600 memory I have that stands out. Uh we were it 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:29.480 was we were on a break from musicology and we 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:32.080 were in Minnesota and it was like the dead of winter. 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:36.879 And actually I made a comment to a friend on 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:38.960 the phone and I was like, damn, it is so 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:43.520 cold out here. My nipples could cut glass. And then 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:47.320 I'm not kidding. The next day I walked into Studio 0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.439 A and he was playing a song called Glass. I 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:55.600 was like, motherfucker, did hear me? I was like, I 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.959 got paranoid. I got super paranoid after that. But I 0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:04.480 was in there and I was like, oh my god, yeah, no, 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.200 he's like he was there's a couple of stories of him. 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.959 The entire building was was miked, right, Yeah, so there 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:11.760 was a rumor to that. 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:13.760 Yeah it was Mike, but it wasn't on and there 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.919 were no cameras there. There were never any surveys cameras. 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:21.439 But he would creep up on you and no listen. 0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:23.320 He would I was. I was like, I was like, 0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:26.680 there was like a Smashing Pumpkins gold album or something 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:28.439 on the wall. I'm like, Smadhing Pumpkin, what are they 0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:31.639 doing there? And then I hear they recorded and I 0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:36.400 was like, I screamed, and I'm like, why doesn't somebody 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:40.240 put a cow bell on you? And he's like, never mind. 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:44.240 He's like Kim, because Kim was with me and she 0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.400 was doing his hair. At two in the morning anyway, 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.320 we were we were in the studio and I was like, damn, 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.399 I need to I need to go to sleep. And 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:55.200 it was three. It was about two in the morning 0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:59.240 and we had been there since too in like maybe noon, 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.840 two in the afternoon. And he's like, Ruth, I want 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.480 a house and I'm like, uh, okay, what does that mean. 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:08.840 He's like, I want to run a house in La 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.639 And I'm like, okay, so find me one. I'm like, 0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:16.000 it's just like two in the morning. It's like, what 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.760 am I gonna do? So I go online. I end 0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.680 up finding this house like within an hour, because he 0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:23.600 comes back like he wants it now, so like he 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:25.760 comes back twenty minutes like I'm like, I just got 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:28.720 on the computer and he's like, okay, I'll be back. 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:33.200 And so I find this this home and it's it's 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:38.120 thirty one twenty one and then there's a street name 0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:39.800 after that. I just don't want to like out where 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.120 it is, but he uh looks at it. It's the 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:46.240 title of the album. So he comes in, he looks 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.240 at them. He's like, have you found anything yet? And 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.000 I'm like, oh my god, it's been an hour. I 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:51.960 have like three I have three places so far. What 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:53.720 do you think. He sees the first image and it's 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.160 thirty one twenty one and he's like that one. I 0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.440 want that one, and I'm like, you don't want to 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.320 look at the rest? Nope, Nope, that's it, and then 0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:03.960 he goes in and by now it's like maybe three 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:07.080 in the morning, and he goes in the studio and 0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:09.960 I hear like all the syncopation, and I hear like, 0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.080 you know, the beats, and I'm like, when am I 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.880 going to be able to gold Man? I'm so sleepy, 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:18.400 and it's four in the morning, Like I get all 0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.680 the information. I email, you know, the the agent for 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.080 this home, and he's like, do we have the house? 0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:25.640 He comes back like at four and I'm like, do 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.840 we have the house yet? And I'm like no, it's 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.960 like three. It looks like two in the morning in La, No, 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.680 we don't have the house. And then he goes okay, 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:38.440 and then six in the morning I hear the fully 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:43.320 finished thirty one twenty one, the whole song Wow, So 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.120 it was pretty much done by four because I could 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.160 hear it, and I was like, that's kind of funky. 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.600 I really like that song. Actually, it was really funny 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:52.200 because you know, I got to hear because he would 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.480 open he left. It was just he and I at Paisley, 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.760 so he would leave the studio open, and I could 0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.520 hear him like mix in and like you know, you 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:02.680 know the strains of you know, each instrument, and I 0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:05.840 was like, what does he just does he just do that? 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:08.960 Like just now now you have to find that house? 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.920 Yeah? No, I was like, I was like, no, pressure here, 0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:14.640 Like I have no pressure at all. But yeah, we 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:16.640 ended up we ended up moving into that house and 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.280 it was the start of like this whole era of 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:23.200 like house parties and madness and I hate it every 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.360 minute of it. 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:28.880 Parties. 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:32.880 You were hustling like who's in town. I'm like, like 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:36.480 I know, like I knew anybody that group of church, 0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:38.640 Like I barely knew who people. When you guys are 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:42.440 speaking about bootlegs, it was all swakily to me, I 0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:43.800 don't know what chea I was talking about. 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:44.960 Can I ask you a question? 0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:47.840 Okay, you were talking about something and I want to 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:49.200 see what your take on this is a lot of 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.320 people have said that Prince had an energy that he 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.480 could either radiate attention that you had to stay at pettige, 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.680 or he could be under the radar completely like all 0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:57.920 of a sudden, like you said, just show up. 0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.200 Yeah, I mean he was. It was interesting in clubs 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.160 because you could see him walk into a club and 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.640 you couldn't see him, but you could see the gravitational 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:10.320 pull of people just like it was like he drew 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:14.320 energy and attention and he would also take your soul, 0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.400 so like if you were if you like talk to 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.120 him like sometimes you would talk to you and you 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:21.120 get a lecture for three hours and I'd. 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:23.400 Walk out the three You're lucky. 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:24.760 That's a that's a light night. 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:27.040 Yeah, it's the story behind that. 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:30.720 What's the I mean, you know what it's it's like 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:37.440 the whole be careful of your Yeah, like I caught 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:39.680 I mean I joke and say that, you know when 0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:44.520 black men find religion like lay low for like at 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.160 least three to five years because that's all they want 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.040 to talk about and then they cool off a little bit. 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.640 So yeah, I caught him right and period. 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:53.360 Man. 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.040 And then first it was like you just walk right 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:58.080 into the trap. Like the first night, I think it 0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.040 was me who want to American Idol, the guy with 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:02.600 the fake afros that Justin. 0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:06.360 He came in second he didn't win. 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:10.840 Well yeah, well Justin loves what Justin Kelly? Yeah, yeah, 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:15.840 it was like Kelly, Justin, me and Common. 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:20.760 At as a random dog. We were in Harlem, somee 0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:24.280 some Harlem, resting in a random place. Yeah, Justin Kelly 0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:31.959 Clarkson Quest and Common walking to it's almost yeah, And 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.320 it started there and we thought we escaped it. And 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.400 then the next night that's when he came to Electric 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:39.280 Ladies Studios. 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:41.320 We were working on Common. 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:45.400 Jimmy was a rock star, and he heard the mix 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:49.600 and then almost borderline started quasi mixing. He's like, no, no, no, 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:51.760 turn up his voice and turned this down. 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:56.760 And then. 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.120 And then no, I mean he was cool. And then 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:06.080 he worked on Star sixty nine and then the only 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.240 way I can describe it is the front cover of 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:10.720 the Who's the Kids Are all Right? 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.440 Remember the four of them sleep on it? That was 0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:17.400 me Blau Common and. 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.080 Ah, it was a fourth person I forget. But we 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:24.200 were just sitting on the floor and he was like 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:25.440 talking to us like a coach. 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.560 Like if you imagine. 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:32.680 Remember those Tom and Jerry cartoons where you only see 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:36.840 the mom's like Niees Thomas or even Muppet babies, we 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.520 only see the nannies knees. Like we're all sitting on 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.840 the floor and he's just walking back and forth like 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:47.080 a coach, uh, talking about anyone's best. 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:48.280 Have you've seen this happen before, haven't you. 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:54.640 Blau was new to this and he's you know, Bla 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:57.520 was Muslim at the time, so it's just like Muslim 0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:02.719 versus a. Jehovah's witness it was two am, and then 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:05.040 it was like six am, and I just thought like, man, 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:11.000 it's like you've been waiting all your life to be friends. 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:11.400 With this guy. 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:13.360 Like you guys didn't say anything. 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.640 I started snoring and he's still. 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:31.160 And I'm like, sleep at me and snoring, like. 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.600 I grew up in church. So he couldn't go far. 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:30.960 He could not go far. He was like, don't start. 0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.600 I'm like no, no, no, no, no. He's caughting some stuff 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:33.840 at it. 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:34.439 Yeah. 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:38.160 So then there was a period where he was like 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.879 Debo and Friday to me, Like there was a good 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:45.200 part of two thousand and one to like two thousand 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:48.279 and three where I would just run the other way. 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:51.319 I'm like, wow, you're running from your idol. Like I 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:51.880 just can't. 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:56.399 I mean, I just couldn't. I couldn't take another because 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.080 he just wear you out. And you want to know 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:03.520 things like so the Lynn drumm you used on What's. 0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:04.600 Up with the Editor at the end of I don't 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.440 want to lose you? Right, exactly exactly. He don't want 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:08.080 to talk about that. 0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:12.040 So and that's the thing when when the Night of 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:16.640 the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, when Chappelle, me 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.160 and Neil Brennan went to see him perform at the 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:24.600 after party. Were you there doing the Spirit? Were we 0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:28.239 friends then? Were in that hotel or that? 0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:30.560 But I wasn't you. We hadn't met yet. 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.960 Yeah, I was about to say I would have remembered you. 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:36.799 And you know, he invited us to the hotel thing, 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:42.239 and so I didn't realize that the elevator opens up 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:43.560 inside the apartment. 0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:45.920 So I'm thinking that, okay, we're going to a hotel. 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:47.080 Elevator is going to open. 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.120 We'll be in a hallway and then we'll knock on 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:52.960 the door and YadA, YadA, YadA. So in typical television 0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:57.640 sitcom fashion, my back is to the elevated door, and 0:35:57.680 --> 0:35:58.279 I'm trying to. 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.720 Give Dave and Neil advice. 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:07.520 A seventeen second crash course run, which I said, guys, wait, 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.359 I just thought of something. Look, he's really really big 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.279 on religion, so you know, because the thing was like 0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.799 Neil was just like, hey, like okay, this is going 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.280 to be like I was like, no, like that prince 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.280 you're thinking of, like he doesn't exist a moren it's religion. 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:20.400 You know. 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:22.760 They laughed, like religion. 0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:25.319 I'm like, no, I'm dead serious, like matter of fact, 0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:26.840 I said, we need a safe word. 0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:33.520 So the elevator doors closed. 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.640 I said, look, we need a safe work because what 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.439 you guys don't know is that he's going like really 0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:42.160 big on religion and stuff and don't curse and da 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:43.359 da da da da da da da. 0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:45.360 And the door is open. 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:51.160 And I swear to God it and like they yeah, 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.560 he was like continuum mirror. 0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:59.080 He was right behind me and it was. 0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.160 But the thing is that what I didn't know about 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:10.880 Dave is Dave lives for an audience, like the most awkward. 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.799 I went, Dave with me in any he can talk 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:15.000 you out in any situation. 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:19.520 I think Dave could talk. He could. 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.920 I'm about to give me the helter Skelter reference. What's 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:26.000 his name who just recently done? He could talk Charles 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.320 Manson off of death Row and out of it. He 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:32.800 can talk out of any situation. And we walked into 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.240 what looked like to be a prayer meeting. 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:36.000 It was like the. 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:41.680 Crams his then wife, her Canadian family, and well her 0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:47.279 family is from Canada, right, her family and instantly like 0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:53.480 I'm trying to give the eye like and Dave was 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.680 one of those people. Is where it's like if you 0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:58.320 tell him no, it's a yesday. 0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.320 He got right. He had a captive. 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:05.440 Audience, and then I just once religion started, then I 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.279 just inched my way out of it and left. But 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.240 those guys stayed till like seven in the morning, and. 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.319 I would have stuck around to watch Prince and Dave 0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:17.279 Chappelle talk about her religion. I can only imagine what 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:20.640 that conversation was like, Man, I just interesting. 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:21.960 Yeah. 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.640 I mean I used to listen to it as a fan, 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:26.640 you know. I'd be like, Okay, I'm such a Prince fan. 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:28.439 I'm going to let him talk to me for three 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.640 hours about this stuff, you know. But I remember there 0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.040 was a moment at that house, the thirty one to 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:35.880 twenty one house, where we were talking about you know, 0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.120 not religion, talk about music and something else, and he's like, 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.960 follow me. I'm like, I finally orright, Prince said follow me, 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.600 and I walked. I walked through the whole house, long story, short, 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:47.960 down the stairs, through the room, end up in his 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:48.879 bedroom like all this shit. 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:49.399 He's got the. 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:52.480 Symbol pillows and the purple Da da da, and then 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.480 he opens a closet and hands me like a bible 0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:56.840 and all this stuff. And I was like, man, I 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:58.720 thought he was gonna give me an ascetate. 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:01.000 Or I wish you have, you know, and. 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:03.400 I've been saving. 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:05.440 Yeah, and he's like, I want you to read this 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.080 to your kids because we're that's why we were. 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:07.880 Talking about my children. 0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:09.680 And I'm like and I was like, well, I'm Jewish 0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:12.160 and I don't really do religion. And the next day 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.520 the next day, maybe Ruth, you gave him my address. 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:16.319 The next day people came knocking on the door. 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.160 Listen. I had a Jehovah when my door, and I 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:24.880 had boxes of bibles and tracks, and I was I 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:26.759 had been into I had got into a really big 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.440 fight with prince and I was like, oh we're here. 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:31.839 I'm like, you know what I work for, Jehovah's Witness. 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.080 Wy don't you come in the back and take your boxes. 0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:37.359 I'm about to burn that will And she was like what, 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.440 oh no, and no, I'm like you can bring your supervisor. 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:41.160 You could come and talk to me about church and 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:44.440 like Bible and stuff. I know my Bible, but you like. 0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:46.200 I was so mad. I took it out on the 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:46.880 poor lady. 0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:47.719 Wait. 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.399 But they came in. They got the boxes of tracks. 0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:53.640 Was there, ever, what was the end game to. 0:39:56.600 --> 0:40:02.120 His religious talk or his wanting to convert, Like, was there, well, 0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:04.480 was there one person that was like, okay, like I'm 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:06.520 Jamie Fox, Yes, I'll come with you the kingdom? 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:08.920 Was he? Like? What was the. 0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:13.480 So so part of the you know, not to clown 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.799 on any religion or anything, but part of you know, 0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:18.880 what they do is is they have to log in hours. 0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:22.800 So your name at two's name, my name is in 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:26.680 a calendar. It says Ruth four hours, a mirror two 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:30.080 hours or twenty hours, you know, and it would say 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.360 he would write everybody's name down this calendar, so it 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:34.800 was kind of a log book of how many people 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.600 he spoke to about, you know, the religion and all that. 0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.160 So it's kind of like it is to convert people. 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:44.720 It's their ways of proselytizing. But you know, I would 0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.040 I'm not a person. I'm kind of a mouthy individual. 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.440 So do you think really it's a little bits a 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.320 little bit. So I had to pick and choose the 0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:55.120 stuff that I would you know, combat like with him 0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.200 like that I would get into and that would be 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:00.440 one of them because it was like, you know, you can't. 0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:02.799 You can't. I mean, you can't really talk. I grew 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:06.360 up in church an all and all like Pentecostal Zionists, 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:09.799 you know, Charismatic Methodists. I've gone to all of them, 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:14.239 and so you know, I understand part of the the 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:18.000 lull of religion. And I knew what he was doing, 0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.960 and I was like, you can't, you can't, like you can't. 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.839 Swing me into this kingdom hallway. 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.920 Oh all the time. And I used to look at him. Okay, 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.879 so no diss to Jehovah's witness, but I am gonna 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:33.120 kind of diss. Their music is awful. It's all. It's 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:37.680 Bible verses with no no melody. It's like they sing 0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:42.840 and Jesus came to the crap like it is. Like 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:45.359 I would look at Prince like I'm like, how are 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:48.080 you even listening to this? And he wouldn't sing it. 0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:49.640 He would just look at it and he would just 0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.000 kind of have his little finger with his little pinky 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:54.439 finger up and like follow the words in the hymn book. 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:56.719 And I was like, I'm dying. I don't even know 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.600 what your musical brain is doing right now. You're probably 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:02.480 like thing this to pieces and creating like a like 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:05.360 an opus of some kind, because this is terrible a question. 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:07.480 Is it true that he wrote a bunch of songs 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.760 for the Jehovah's Witnesses. 0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:14.560 He has like I don't know that he did, but 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:17.720 I know that he wrote like a lot of songs 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:19.399 with overtures of you. 0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:21.880 Know, but I heard like that he actually has songs 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:25.360 in like a in the Hymnal or Jehovah's witness Hymnal. 0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:29.520 I could imagine like after spending. 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:32.279 Time, did you have an option to not go? Was 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.680 have had go? I'll stay behind her? 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:35.920 Yeah, but you. 0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:39.279 Know I. 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.239 Think that uh, like you know, I wasn't going to 0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:45.680 church at the time, and like when I was in Minnesota, 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:49.080 I would just go because it's Minnesota. There's there's nothing 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:50.840 to do, so it might as well go to Kingdom 0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.640 Hall and you know, just see, Yeah, I was very 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:56.799 curious about the religion itself, you know, coming up in church, 0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:58.880 so I was curious to see what their belief systems 0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:01.040 and how they believe. And you know, I've met a 0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:04.520 lot of Jehovah's Witnesses are phenomenal people. And then you know, 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.480 just like in all of their religions, a lot of crappy, 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.399 shitty people as well. So, you know, had a bunch 0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:14.200 of Jehovah's witnesses come to me at a at a show. 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:16.959 I think it was in Seattle somewhere, and they were 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.719 they were like, we're here for the after party, and 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:21.919 it was a super private after party and I'm like, uh, 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:24.520 there's no after party here. Well, we're friends and prince 0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:28.000 and I'm like, I don't know who you are. They're like, oh, 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:29.240 we're brothers and sisters. 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:31.520 He went. 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:37.600 By brother nilson brother, we're his brothers and sisters. I'm like, yeah, no, 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:40.600 I don't. I don't think so, oh no, we're Jehovah's witnesses. 0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:42.400 And they wanted to get in based on that alone, 0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.160 and I was like, okay, now you know. 0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:45.920 Oh I would have fell for that hook line to 0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:46.760 thinking like oh. 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:47.839 Okay, yeah. 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.600 And I was like that's cool, be good. 0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:54.960 I see so uh Dwayne, yes, sir. Yeah. 0:43:55.040 --> 0:44:01.800 So in your in your research, how were you able 0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:07.080 to find out as far as like the length of 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:09.480 time that songs were spent? Like this is one thing 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:11.920 to see the work order. And I guess I should 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:15.759 explain to our audience that, I mean, now, because half 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:20.439 the stuff is done on computers and personal studios. People 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:24.600 don't keep meticulous logging like they used to now. In 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:29.400 my era of having UH and and recording UH on 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:32.040 our label, like back in the early nineties when the 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:36.960 Roots first got signed, the assistant's job was basically to snitch, 0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:40.840 you know what I mean, So if the label's credit 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:44.040 card was on the room, they would know, okay, how 0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.080 much we spent on food? Sure back then, long distance 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:53.560 phone calls were big. Yeah, like so like everything's you know, like, Okay, 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:54.920 I see a mirror called. 0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.080 The how did you work on that song on the mirror? 0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.840 Yeah, exactly, Like so all my time and all the 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.480 that I met and you're whatever, I'd like call from 0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:06.759 the studio that sort of thing. So assistant engineer's job 0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:11.560 was to keep meticulous detail of what we did and 0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.400 how long we lily gagged and all those things. So 0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:17.960 what I can I assume that these work orders were 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:18.920 in the same way. 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:21.520 Yeah, A lot of times they would have you know, 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:23.600 and then like you said, this is also the work 0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:27.319 orders are placed to hide things. They would be the 0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:30.239 tattle things, but they'd also be like there's times that 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:31.879 he may worked in two or three songs, and they 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:34.759 just were just scrambling through things and just he would 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:37.600 write down a title. Often I would have to go 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:41.160 back to I went to the Library of Congress, went 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:45.360 to the unions that had musicians unions, because Eric Leeds 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:49.919 was in the Musician Junion. There's also Minneapolis Man Musicians Union, 0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:53.600 which would list Sheila and other people like that. So 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:55.759 I could tell the time from that stuff, and also 0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:58.759 when strings were done or when they bring a person 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:02.959 played harp. So there's all this little detail like that 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:06.799 because people had to get paid, you know, but the 0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:09.279 work owners generally had start at this time end at 0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:11.319 this time. But there'd be times that he would just 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:13.719 get to the studio and say Peggy, let's go see 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:18.040 a movie, and they go to the movies and come back, 0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:20.480 or you know, he might step out for a couple 0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:23.120 hours and personally mixing it. But that doesn't mean they're 0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:25.719 doing it the whole time, and that that's where it 0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:26.960 ends up getting a little vague. 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:27.280 People. 0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:29.160 You know, when I first started doing the interviews in 0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.680 like the early mid nineties, I remember asking some of 0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:33.879 these people and they're like, I didn't think that some. 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:36.319 Prince nerd would be. 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.520 Coming in and asking me about something ten years ago. 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:40.319 Now I'm asking them, They're like, I didn't know some 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.480 prince near becoming and asking me about stuff having thirty 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:45.320 years ago so right, And memories get a little faded. 0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:47.879 The you know, you work on stuff for five six 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:50.400 years with him, guy, you're not gonna remember specific dates. 0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:54.040 But if you got somebody that just did strings, they 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:58.000 might remember that specific session a whole lot more than 0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:00.560 somebody who's, like I said, Susan Rogers, who Susan Rodgers 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:04.239 got a phenomenal memory. She's and the cool thing about 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.239 Susan and you probably know this is she's got a 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:12.000 knowledge of sound on top of just her print spase. 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:13.960 She loves the funk, She loves a lot of stuff. 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:16.040 But the way she talks about how sound works, and 0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:19.080 the sound is different at night than day, or you know, 0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:22.520 just the way the music works, and you're just thinking, God, 0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:25.160 that the level of knowledge from some of these people, 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:28.440 and the engineers I actually engineered. I interviewed some of 0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:30.839 the engineers here in the studios where I'd come in 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:33.440 in the evening and talk to some of these engineers. 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:35.440 I'd find their name on the work order and in 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:37.719 This is before Facebook or anything. I just look him up, 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.000 call him on the phone book, or call here and say, 0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:44.040 is Coke Rogers Coke Johnson working there? Yeah, Dave the 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:47.000 Blade is well, there's several Dave the Blades. Dave Leonard 0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:49.520 is in h he was the original Dave the Blade. 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:53.520 He's in Nashville right now. I did not interview him. 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:54.480 We were going to. 0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:58.359 He used to be married to Peggy McCreery and they 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.560 did a lot of such together. But he lives down there. 0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:06.960 Then Dave Knight, David Knight became Dave the Blade and 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:10.280 he was one of the engineers here and also at Sunset. 0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:13.200 What's the other studio that you have? 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:17.520 They have another studio here, yeah, Sunfactory, So he did 0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:19.239 stuff there. He's interviewed in the book as well. I 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:21.520 used closed by Dev Leonard from other sources of the 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.479 books that he was interviewed or things like that too. 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:26.399 But I wanted to interview him but just didn't work out. 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:37.120 I'm curious about the live shows that were. 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:39.120 Sound trucked. 0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:43.680 Oh yeah, like the or the thirty minute I Would 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:47.480 Die for You, which obviously went to the soundtrack. Are 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:52.479 there any studio loggins for those sessions, and if that's 0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:56.000 the case where the Purple Raine shows also recorded. 0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:59.680 Purple Raine shows were all recorded for the most part 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.600 city well pretty much as far as I know, they're 0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:03.440 mostly recorded. 0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:07.200 Uh so there's there's here's the thing. 0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:10.799 He's got vaults of stuff that well as first, I've 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.440 got tons of cassettes and stuff like this. The engineers 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:15.520 in the book talking about how everything was recorded to 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:19.279 maybe down to a cassette. So it may be already mixed. 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.080 You just got the mix of that. He may not 0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:25.280 have a twenty four track recording left of all those things. 0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:27.839 But from what I understand, he has tapes of of 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.400 every rehearsal, every sound check, and he'd have six or 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:33.680 seven tapes running the day and not labeled, you know, 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:36.239 just boxes. Here's the tape, and he just throwed things 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:38.600 in a shoe box. And so there's stuck. You know, 0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:40.560 we don't know who some of these things are, what 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:43.000 dates these are, and so it's there's a novelty to 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:44.640 some of this stuff. And I talk about that quite 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:46.600 a bit in the book where some of these engineers 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:48.160 talking about all the stuff that exists. 0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:52.520 So how I used to think that was a storage closet. 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:54.600 Have you physically seen the bout? 0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:56.000 Yeah, I've been there. I'd be like, ah, this is 0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:57.200 a big old storage closet. 0:49:57.520 --> 0:49:58.759 How big is the vault? 0:49:59.040 --> 0:49:59.640 There were two volts? 0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:02.239 Yeah there too. There's like the opening section and then 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:05.879 there's stuff that there's like it's like a a teer, 0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:08.080 like like a what do you call them? Like mudroom, 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:10.120 It's like a mudroom, and then the real room. 0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:13.200 The other thing I've had to get information from is 0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:15.640 like people like Eric Leeds and things like that would 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.680 have there's when they would record. 0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:19.879 They would keep dates of. 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:21.440 When they were to record and stuff like this, So 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.719 that helped too. But again there's always gonna be stuff 0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:26.600 in the vault that I have no idea about. And 0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:29.600 and like when the Vraine Deluxe came out, we all 0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:31.000 were shocked when uh. 0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:35.400 The vocal possessed but electric intercourse. 0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:38.640 All all of a sudd They're going a holy crap, right, 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:41.120 and Michael sitting there nodding his head, but you know, 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:44.160 all of us going WHOA, thank you, you know for 0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:46.560 finding this, because that's something I didn't even know exist. 0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:47.440 You know, what's weird. 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:54.920 And I'm not going to hell for saying this, but 0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:58.600 it was. It was always my fear. 0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:07.000 That he you know, just in the last ten years. 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:11.399 Of his life. And this is you know, speaking from 0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:13.960 you know. Of course you think like everybody's going to 0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:16.920 you know, be eighty and ninety. You know, they're going 0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:25.280 to be super old. But I always thought that, man, 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:29.399 I know, one day he's going to turn like if 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:33.480 we think that some of his thinking is irrational. 0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:35.120 Now, just as far as like. 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:41.000 Certain cutting off the nose, despite the face moves that 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:44.200 Prince has done in the past to some of his 0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:45.000 fan base. 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:49.960 Why would I do what? I'm just saying that it's 0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:51.640 it's to me. 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:57.319 I always felt like he would pull a move like 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:01.439 some viking burning erase everything. Yes, I thought he would 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:04.560 pull a Willie on that whole entire, like in his 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:05.719 sixties or seventies. 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:08.160 And I was just. 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:13.319 Like, storing magnets what what what? No, No, it's saying 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:15.360 he was storing magnets in the room just to e 0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:15.920 race everything. 0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.520 Oh yeah, he really didn't. He really didn't. I was 0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:20.080 just saying he could have. That's what he's saying. 0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:24.640 So I'm not saying what you think I'm going to insinuate. 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:31.279 As far as premature passing, but I definitely felt like. 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:36.440 He would. First of all, I thought he would have 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:36.880 a will. 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:38.399 That's the thing that would say. 0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:40.399 We talked about it, so. 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:42.200 It's earned everything if I had. 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:43.759 Wait, you talked about what did? 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:48.799 What was said, Well, he didn't want to at the time, 0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:50.200 he didn't want to write a will. And I was 0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:53.279 like yeah, because there was at Baisley Park and I 0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:54.840 yelled at him like, well, you know, who's going to 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:57.520 get all your stuff? And he came. He double backed 0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:04.200 and he's like who, And I'm like the government in 0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:08.520 the world and you walked out of the office. But 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:10.759 you know, we did talk about it because I was 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:12.759 really concerned because he didn't have a will. 0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:15.520 I'm gonna be honest with you because I mean more, 0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:19.680 mortality is something that people don't want to deal with or. 0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:21.640 Talk about even now. 0:53:24.320 --> 0:53:28.080 I mean, I I have a will, but it was 0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:30.160 sort of like an afterthought thing like yeah, just leave 0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:30.480 it to them. 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:32.960 I don't care. You know, I'm not gonna die. I'll 0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:36.600 be here forever. But now I'm like, okay, I would 0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:37.839 like my records to go here. 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.759 I want my unreleased drum stuff to go here. I 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:42.240 want to donate this stuff here. 0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:50.760 Yeah, Stu, get that notebook. 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:54.040 No, it's just that now as I get closer to 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:58.400 you know, get you know, way out of my twenties. Now, 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:01.640 oh okay, this death is going to be a certain 0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:03.480 thing in my life, like I'm definitely going to die 0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:07.439 and so, you know, but I guess at the time, 0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:09.400 you just put it off and put it off and 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:11.080 put it off, and it'll never happen to me. 0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:14.440 It'll never happen. And you know, because. 0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.359 For anyone asking like how could he never have a will? 0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:21.600 Like you just you never think you're. 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:24.160 Going to go right, Well, part of his reasoning also 0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:27.120 is like you whatever you think is true. So if 0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:29.799 you're if you create a will, it means that you're 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:34.279 you're plantasting your death. So that was a big thing 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:36.560 about it, and we had a discussion about that. He 0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:39.319 told me he wants he was from another planet and 0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:41.560 that's why he didn't age because the sun revolved like 0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:44.560 I don't know, twelve years every twelve years. And he's like, 0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:46.239 I think you're from that planet too, And I was like, 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:49.160 do let me call him an alien with your alien 0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:53.400 as I'm like, you keep your alien stuff to yourself. 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:57.360 But he yeah, a lot of it was denial and 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.840 not wanting to face a in future. But you know, 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:04.080 he carried around on those keys to the vaults like 0:55:04.200 --> 0:55:06.359 you know, a janitor always had him on them. 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:14.400 And then there was only one set of keys. 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:14.200 You know, there was only one set quote unquote, but 0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:16.560 there was another set that somebody else had. 0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:19.120 So what if he lost those keys? 0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:22.840 It was here's the thing. Yeah, the wall next to 0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:24.640 it was just a drive. 0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:28.680 You could break into Paisley Park. It was so like 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:32.680 not secured, no cameras. Still no cameras. Sure they put 0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:33.160 cameras in. 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.719 Now that that was the reasoning, right, It's Minnesota. Who's 0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:36.279 going to yah? 0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:38.759 No, seriously, He's like only it's He's like, all the 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:40.440 no evil people live here. 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:41.200 The bad people move out. 0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:41.600 Yeah. 0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:45.359 He had a story about I guess they went to 0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:48.640 like a convenience store or something and he left the car. 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:52.560 They left the car running, and Prince was like, yeah, 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:53.680 because nobody would steal it. 0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:56.920 Yeah yeah, yeah, No, it's true, like you know we 0:55:56.960 --> 0:56:00.640 would go into uh, what was it, what's the store there? No, 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:04.240 what's the name of the store there. I totally forgot 0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:06.880 Barney's or I think it is Birelers. Is it barrels? 0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:08.720 Is that important? 0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:11.160 No, it's a store in Shanahassan like, but you would 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:16.080 walk in there and if you were brown, they knew 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:18.040 exactly what you were doing there. Oh you were working 0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:22.600 at Paisley Park? Are you people? I'm like, uh, yeah, 0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:25.920 how do you know that? And then I realized and like, oh, 0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:28.160 you look like you worked there, And I was like, okay, 0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:31.560 stereotyping over here. 0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:35.520 That I see. So how. 0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:40.279 Also, the vault was not kept up very well. I 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:41.279 mean there's no, it's not. 0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:43.319 It was. 0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:45.920 It was not a place where there's yeah, one of 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:46.920 that stuff has damage. 0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:49.040 But I know that they did, Wait, what's damaged? 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:49.640 Tapes? 0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:50.000 Tapes? 0:56:50.040 --> 0:56:51.440 Yeah, but they reconstructed it. 0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:54.719 Yeah, there was a water leak one year and they 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:56.680 were they were having to put the tapes somewhere else. 0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:59.640 Because it just it was not it was mold. Yes, 0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:00.440 it was on a. 0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:02.919 Good vault, and that what they're doing now really does 0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:03.439 make sense. 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:06.160 But it's funny that the family said that, you know 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:07.800 that they shouldn't move it too Iron Mountain. That is 0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:09.160 the number one thing that should have been done. 0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:11.879 Reason why it was kept. That people want it kept. 0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:13.200 The Paisleys for nostalgia. 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:16.120 Yeah, yeah, it was going to all of it, yeah. 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:17.040 Exactly, would have been worthless. 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:17.280 Yeah. 0:57:17.680 --> 0:57:20.960 Yeah, they managed to save I think ninety eight percent 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:21.160 of it. 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:24.320 Yeah, they are now obsessed with that. 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:29.480 It's that twenty seconds that made the song. 0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:34.720 No, I'm not going to sleep now. 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:38.880 Tossing and turning, learned that poem figure out. 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:39.479 I have a question. 0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:42.240 I have a question for you. You you look through 0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:44.840 the book, what is your opinion of the book? And 0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:47.440 you're you're as big a scholar of this kind of 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.520 stuff as I know, and I want to know what 0:57:49.560 --> 0:57:50.480 your thought of the book is. 0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:51.520 What did you like? 0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:52.000 See? 0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:55.960 The thing is is that, Okay, it's weird because even 0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:59.960 when first of all, the book is like, what's seven hundred. 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:02.600 It's not about five hundred page okay. 0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:04.600 So maybe when I was reading all my think it 0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:06.480 was like seven hundred something pages. 0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:11.320 I went through there. All right, Well here's the weird thing. 0:58:12.120 --> 0:58:14.880 I think from the time that you guys sent me 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:22.439 the document, I easily think the first night I went 0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:23.960 through four hundred pages. 0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:30.280 Yeah yeah, yeah, And that's the thing. I felt ashamed, 0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:30.960 like I went. 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:34.080 From like shit, I'm gonn write down my story. 0:58:34.560 --> 0:58:36.960 I went from ten a m. Till about I think 0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:38.560 I gave up at like seven in the morning. 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.000 You're already the busiest guy on the plane, right, I 0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:43.040 can't imagine having time. 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:44.960 But I just couldn't put it down. 0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:46.880 It was the same way for me because I was 0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:48.480 started reading and the next thing I knew the sun 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:49.120 was up, you know. 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:51.960 So like working in the studio with Prince. 0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:54.440 And I knew I was on something because I know 0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:56.760 that I have a tendency at least of my friends, 0:58:56.800 --> 0:59:01.680 like over exaggerate some shit. And I told him like, yo, like, 0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:03.960 this is the book we've been waiting for, Like this 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:06.480 is the moment, I think. And the thing is is 0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:09.680 that I don't know because I tried to explain this 0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:13.200 to my management my people, like, yo, this is the 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:15.120 Prince book I've been dreaming of all my life, like 0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:17.680 I could never write a book like and they looked 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:20.600 at it and they were just like whatever, Okay. So 0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:28.840 he went to seven eleven on July. When I got here, 0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:31.040 the first thing he ran to the basketball court. 0:59:31.240 --> 0:59:32.320 I ran to the basketball court. 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:37.360 I ran to the seven eleven that sort of thing. 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:44.560 I don't know. I just again, I'm I I've never been. 0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:52.240 Into who he was dating, or even the outcome of 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:56.960 a thing. I'm always obsessed with how he built stuff. 0:59:58.520 --> 1:00:03.080 And for me, a lot of my question anything that 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:07.320 I would ever try to ask him was like in that. 1:00:07.280 --> 1:00:08.880 Book, so you learn things? 1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:10.200 Yeah, I learned a lot. 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:14.040 I mean I because you know a lot. So to 1:00:14.120 --> 1:00:16.000 hear that you actually got some out of it makes 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:16.680 me really happy. 1:00:17.240 --> 1:00:20.760 Dog, I'm waiting for it. Like it's how many books 1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:22.440 do you think you would have in you. 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:24.080 I'd be happy to write books at the end of 1:00:24.120 --> 1:00:26.160 my till the end of my life on this stuff because. 1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:31.120 It's my hope that the quote powers that be well 1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:32.040 least see this. 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:36.000 And because again I think that if you're coming from 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:42.240 a nonsensationalist, respectful angle like I think, it's just important 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:44.720 to document how the greatness was me. 1:00:45.320 --> 1:00:47.800 Well in this book some people who haven't read it. 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:52.840 This covers two years of his life eighty nineteen eighty three, 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:56.080 nineteen eighty four. It's the ninety nine nine just has 1:00:56.120 --> 1:00:58.960 come out and it's it's just starting to hit covers 1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:01.760 Purple Rain cover the beginning of nineteen eighty four is 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:06.560 recording Sheila's album The Time. The rest of Purple Rain 1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:11.240 appalonis six the family that summer. That's like, that's within 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:13.760 like six months, you know, two years, that's that's no. 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:15.560 That's that's all six months. 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:16.840 Yeah, I know. 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:19.480 It's insane, mostly himself. 1:01:19.600 --> 1:01:22.880 And so when you see the kind of passion the 1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:25.360 guy had for doing this stuff, and then we're sitting 1:01:25.360 --> 1:01:28.080 in the studio thinking it was in this building that 1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:30.080 he did the stuff, it's to me, it's I mean, 1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:32.360 I went back and listened to the music again, just 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:33.920 over and over, and it was cool to listen to 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:37.160 it with a fresh ear because after he died, it's 1:01:37.320 --> 1:01:39.400 it's tough to listen to his stuff without through the 1:01:39.400 --> 1:01:42.600 prism of the fact that he's dead hearing it again 1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:45.160 through after reading the book, you're going that's where it 1:01:45.200 --> 1:01:47.520 goes back and and you're hearing it for the first 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:50.040 time again. And that's that's something I didn't expect. 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:52.640 We should note that as even though this is coming 1:01:52.640 --> 1:01:55.560 on way later as of this taping, I think we're 1:01:55.800 --> 1:02:00.439 falling into the actual thirty fifth anniversary of. 1:02:00.320 --> 1:02:01.760 Oh Yeah, Little Rick Corvette. 1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:06.360 The edits edits for the twelve inch which what January 1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:09.200 or January seventh, Yeah, very good. 1:02:09.920 --> 1:02:11.840 I looked it up. In your book. 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:16.120 In your book, question for Dwayne, actually, if I can, 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:20.600 if I may so, Like, you know, that's like a 1:02:20.640 --> 1:02:21.480 lot of information. 1:02:26.440 --> 1:02:29.840 This amazing because like Ruth, the thing was, Ruth was 1:02:30.120 --> 1:02:33.800 such a position to get this information. But it's so 1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:36.000 amazing to me in all my years of knowing her, 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:38.000 I'm like, you know, you're so not a fan like. 1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:41.400 And she doesn't have an idea. 1:02:41.760 --> 1:02:44.920 Of like and a lot of women that are in 1:02:45.000 --> 1:02:47.880 Prince's life, especially in the last ten years of his life. 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:49.040 It's just like. 1:02:49.480 --> 1:02:52.600 Ask Kim Berry about his music. She likes it, but 1:02:52.640 --> 1:02:55.600 she's not a big fan. Same thing. It's like there's 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:56.640 a lot of people around. 1:02:56.400 --> 1:02:59.080 A little it's almost like it's a whole other person. 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:01.480 Part of it is I knew I knew Prince the 1:03:01.600 --> 1:03:04.760 person musicians. 1:03:04.400 --> 1:03:05.080 I knew him. 1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:08.040 I saw him. I was like, I interacted, but you 1:03:08.080 --> 1:03:10.160 know that musician dude was such a pain in the ass. 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:13.720 I was like, oh, but my question to you is 1:03:13.760 --> 1:03:16.160 because you know I know what I and you know 1:03:16.240 --> 1:03:19.680 I there was so much that I wish I had 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:22.400 the fort like you know, I had to Sam Jennings 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:24.000 was actually in the house in one of the houses 1:03:24.480 --> 1:03:26.160 and when he was there. It was Wendy and Lisa 1:03:26.200 --> 1:03:28.000 and they came up with their acoustic guitars and he 1:03:28.040 --> 1:03:30.360 hadn't seen them in years. And they sat around and 1:03:30.360 --> 1:03:33.280 they played this beautiful melodic song and I'm like, what 1:03:33.440 --> 1:03:34.040 is that song? 1:03:34.120 --> 1:03:34.320 Sam? 1:03:34.360 --> 1:03:37.280 And he's like, it's a song called Mountains, and I'm like, 1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:40.040 it's really pretty, but I gotta work, like I gotta 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:43.200 go pleaan his bedroom like like you know, like I couldn't. 1:03:43.280 --> 1:03:43.360 Like. 1:03:43.600 --> 1:03:45.240 I was like, it was really pretty and I wanted 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:47.040 to sit and observe, and I knew I was missing 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:49.640 out on something, but I was like, ah, I want 1:03:49.640 --> 1:03:51.280 to go to sleep. I need to go. I need 1:03:51.280 --> 1:03:53.160 to like, you know, I slept like two hours a night, 1:03:53.240 --> 1:03:55.920 so I needed to have some kind of rest. But 1:03:55.960 --> 1:03:58.120 my question to you is how much of it do 1:03:58.160 --> 1:04:01.440 you think? Because for me, I saw different parts of it. 1:04:01.480 --> 1:04:03.480 And you know, I also talked to princes a lot, 1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:06.440 Like he talked about retiring from music and I was like, 1:04:06.600 --> 1:04:09.360 shut up, you know that's not happening, and he's like no, 1:04:09.440 --> 1:04:11.160 and he's like he's like, I've done everything there is 1:04:11.160 --> 1:04:12.720 to do music. And I'm like, you don't have an Emmy, 1:04:12.720 --> 1:04:14.240 you don't have a tony you don't have like it 1:04:14.320 --> 1:04:18.240 started naming all. Yeah, I was like named off stuff. 1:04:18.240 --> 1:04:20.920 But my question to you is how much do you 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:23.280 think was passion and how much do you think was compulsion? 1:04:24.360 --> 1:04:27.320 Wow, I think I think his passion shows through on 1:04:27.360 --> 1:04:29.920 some songs. I think you can hear when he's inspired, 1:04:30.280 --> 1:04:33.360 and I think that compulsion would be like Velvet Kitty 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:37.720 Cat and things like that. Yeah, there's gonna be there's 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:39.000 songs that are obligatory. 1:04:39.040 --> 1:04:39.280 I think. 1:04:39.320 --> 1:04:43.200 I think to me, what I understood having talked to everybody, 1:04:43.360 --> 1:04:45.760 is he just had stuff in him he had to 1:04:45.760 --> 1:04:47.240 get out. And sometimes he'd be in the studio and 1:04:47.280 --> 1:04:49.840 just kind of record this traffic jam and that would 1:04:49.840 --> 1:04:51.160 be it and it would be like got to get 1:04:51.160 --> 1:04:56.640 this out and to be able to get But there's 1:04:56.880 --> 1:04:59.720 the inspiration when you hear that. You can hear that, 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:03.479 you know when something he elevates that he spends time 1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:03.919 on too. 1:05:04.040 --> 1:05:05.720 I mean a question, Oh, I just had a really 1:05:05.800 --> 1:05:08.240 quick question for all the nerd prince spots here. So 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:13.520 that's all that's everybody here. So Prince told me a 1:05:13.560 --> 1:05:17.880 story New Year's Eve, maybe like in I think it 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:23.600 was two thousand and two thousand and nine, and basically 1:05:23.640 --> 1:05:25.400 he was talking about she's always in my hair. I'm 1:05:25.440 --> 1:05:28.440 told my too this and and I was like, oh, 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:30.720 and I had somebody had already told me it was 1:05:30.760 --> 1:05:35.440 about a protege of his. I couldn't remember Jill Johnes. Okay, 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:37.120 so I didn't remember the name of it. I'm like, 1:05:37.160 --> 1:05:39.800 isn't this about a protege of yours? Because they played 1:05:39.800 --> 1:05:43.440 the song. We were at the Roosevelt Club med Bruce was. 1:05:44.400 --> 1:05:48.200 We'd gone in and like, actually Raoul called me and 1:05:48.360 --> 1:05:51.120 was like, you need to come because Prince is here 1:05:51.160 --> 1:05:53.640 by himself. And I'm like, oh man, I'm already in bed. 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:57.000 So I got dressed and like so we had like 1:05:57.080 --> 1:06:02.400 this very interesting conversation New Year's Eve, and basically the 1:06:02.440 --> 1:06:04.480 song came on and I'm like, oh, isn't this about 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:06.800 like a protege of yours? And he's like Jill Jones. 1:06:06.800 --> 1:06:08.640 He's like, no, not her, It's. 1:06:08.440 --> 1:06:10.760 Not here's the thing he did about Susan. 1:06:11.600 --> 1:06:11.640 No. 1:06:11.880 --> 1:06:14.919 No, he said it was about an assistant that he 1:06:15.040 --> 1:06:17.840 had at the time, Teres. I don't know who. 1:06:17.960 --> 1:06:18.360 I don't know. 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:19.520 I can't remember the name. 1:06:19.880 --> 1:06:20.440 Well, because I. 1:06:20.440 --> 1:06:22.560 Asked Teresa and she was like I've never heard that story. 1:06:22.640 --> 1:06:25.360 Okay, so he said, and I'm like what, and he's like, yeah, 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:29.240 she used to hound me about like making sure that 1:06:29.280 --> 1:06:31.880 I ate, making sure that like you know that I 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:34.600 was okay, and then I was rested and she went 1:06:34.640 --> 1:06:39.800 away like somebody and her family got sick or something. Somebody, 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:40.800 but they did that. 1:06:41.080 --> 1:06:44.919 That's the story for nothing compared. But I haven't heard 1:06:44.920 --> 1:06:46.080 that for she's always in my hair. 1:06:46.640 --> 1:06:50.000 No, nothing was about rand but the chef, no. 1:06:50.720 --> 1:06:54.080 Sandy, Sandy, and it was also well Jerome says it 1:06:54.120 --> 1:06:56.160 was about somebody. And and there's somebody else that said 1:06:56.160 --> 1:06:57.040 it was about them. 1:06:57.400 --> 1:06:59.320 I don't I don't know. I mean, here's the thing 1:06:59.360 --> 1:07:00.760 with any sort of our artist. 1:07:01.120 --> 1:07:03.280 And and but by the way, I've heard him lie 1:07:03.440 --> 1:07:07.440 to women and say that the songs and wrote about it. 1:07:07.520 --> 1:07:07.800 Everything. 1:07:07.960 --> 1:07:10.320 Everything i've heard is when you're doing this stuff, and 1:07:10.480 --> 1:07:13.240 and Jill said this, and several people said this, a 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:15.160 lot of his music he'd do to meet women and 1:07:15.160 --> 1:07:17.280 things like that, or he'd be inspired. But just because 1:07:17.280 --> 1:07:20.040 he writes he may be inspired by one person, that 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:22.480 doesn't mean everything in the song is by inspired that 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:26.720 one person. You know, wonderful ass may be about Vanity, 1:07:26.800 --> 1:07:29.040 but it also may be about Sanna Melvoyn could be 1:07:29.080 --> 1:07:31.040 about the cat having a wonderful ass exactly. 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:37.080 He told me that song was about me. 1:07:35.160 --> 1:07:37.840 Too, I'm sorry to tell you. 1:07:37.960 --> 1:07:40.800 But so any sort of any sort of I tried 1:07:40.840 --> 1:07:43.600 to put whenever there was a thing that he had 1:07:43.640 --> 1:07:46.400 said or other people were saying it. But he was 1:07:46.480 --> 1:07:51.240 very adamant about beautiful ones not being about Susannah and they. 1:07:51.720 --> 1:07:54.840 Sometimes I found that, And I didn't know Prince, but 1:07:54.880 --> 1:07:57.960 I found that sometimes he would get angry and vengeful 1:07:58.200 --> 1:07:59.959 about people claiming that there. 1:07:59.840 --> 1:08:00.520 Was about them. 1:08:00.600 --> 1:08:01.520 And that's true. 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:03.640 That's he would kind of just he would just say 1:08:03.680 --> 1:08:05.200 he would he would take it even if. 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:07.520 You don't know me. 1:08:07.840 --> 1:08:10.600 There was a story about like how quest love to 1:08:10.600 --> 1:08:15.200 save the super Bowl. Speaking of super Bowl, Yeah, so 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:17.320 but one of the the story. 1:08:17.439 --> 1:08:21.320 Yes, I don't believe this story, by the way, I 1:08:21.320 --> 1:08:22.559 think you just do it to make me feel. 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:25.120 No, I don't. So this is this is a true story. 1:08:25.200 --> 1:08:27.040 Like I've told mat too, and I've told like maybe 1:08:27.040 --> 1:08:31.840 two or three other people. This is a true story. So, uh, 1:08:32.760 --> 1:08:34.519 Prince and I got into a fight and I was 1:08:34.800 --> 1:08:37.080 that was banished from going to the super Bowl. So 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:42.879 I was like, yes, wait. 1:08:42.800 --> 1:08:45.439 Time out, time out before you tell the story. And 1:08:45.439 --> 1:08:48.799 I'm trying to deflect the story because it's very silly 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:49.559 to non playing. 1:08:49.960 --> 1:08:53.840 But you're allowed to fight, like you That's the thing. 1:08:53.880 --> 1:08:55.080 That's how I know you're not a. 1:08:55.000 --> 1:08:59.920 Fan, because it's everyone that would know the history of 1:09:00.240 --> 1:09:03.200 or at least a fan of Prince would sort of 1:09:03.240 --> 1:09:04.639 have this kid gloves approach. 1:09:05.479 --> 1:09:07.200 And you were just like, eh, I don't care, Yeah, 1:09:07.240 --> 1:09:08.360 prob why you got the job? 1:09:08.680 --> 1:09:08.800 Well? 1:09:08.880 --> 1:09:11.000 Yeah, well, I mean, like, you know, I deal with 1:09:11.320 --> 1:09:14.400 people who are very creative and very volatile and mercurial, 1:09:14.560 --> 1:09:17.640 but also you know, genuine. These are people that I 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:23.040 actually like, and you know, Prince was just another one 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:26.919 of those type of individuals. And so what I noticed 1:09:27.000 --> 1:09:29.920 is it's kind of like with a child or with 1:09:30.000 --> 1:09:32.640 an animal, a small animal, like you kind of have 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:35.120 to break you kind of have to show them who's 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:39.559 the boss, otherwise they will take advantage of you. And 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:42.120 I had already learned that I and I already had 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:44.240 my you know, my mom is Craig Gray, So like 1:09:44.320 --> 1:09:47.439 I had already I learned from early on, you know, 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:49.479 how to handle that sort of situation. So I was 1:09:49.520 --> 1:09:52.240 in a unique position in order to deal with him. 1:09:52.280 --> 1:09:54.320 And so actually one of the people that I work with, 1:09:54.360 --> 1:09:56.920 who's worked with him for almost thirty years, was like, 1:09:57.080 --> 1:09:59.559 you talked to he overheard me talking to him, because 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:02.439 I never to him out of turn unless it was 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:04.559 just he and I. I never like I was never 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:06.880 really never in front of people. Never in front of people. 1:10:07.000 --> 1:10:09.160 It was always very you know, I was very respectful 1:10:09.160 --> 1:10:12.040 and diplomatic and professional because that's what he needed. He 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:14.360 needed professional people around him and he didn't have a 1:10:14.400 --> 1:10:17.680 lot of that. And one of the my coworkers was like, 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:20.559 you talk to Prince like that? And I'm like, like what. 1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:23.479 And he's like, like, you give him your opinion and stuff, 1:10:23.520 --> 1:10:25.280 and I'm like, oh my god, how do you think 1:10:25.280 --> 1:10:27.439 I get my job done? Like I got to, like, 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:29.160 you know, he gives me a lot of autonomy, but I 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:31.320 also have to, like, you know, move forward with I 1:10:31.360 --> 1:10:33.800 have to ask him questions. I have to and you know, 1:10:33.840 --> 1:10:37.840 when I think that there's a mistake happening, I pay 1:10:37.880 --> 1:10:40.639 the price for it. But I have to be vocal, 1:10:40.720 --> 1:10:43.200 and so I've been. I was always very vocal about Prince, 1:10:43.240 --> 1:10:45.320 and I have no regrets about my time with him. 1:10:45.439 --> 1:10:50.400 There's sorry, there's a there's a story i'd heard secondhand 1:10:50.400 --> 1:10:52.400 about an editor who came up to Minneapolis. He flew 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:54.280 him up to Minneapolis to cut a music video for him, 1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:58.880 and supposely he was doing the music video and Prince 1:10:58.920 --> 1:11:00.400 came in and said, okay to look at and said, 1:11:00.720 --> 1:11:03.200 where's my red hat in the video? And the guy said, well, 1:11:03.479 --> 1:11:05.799 I thought the red hat looked kind of kind of silly, 1:11:06.200 --> 1:11:08.439 and Prince at all okay. And at the end of 1:11:08.439 --> 1:11:10.000 the day, the guys go back to his room and 1:11:10.040 --> 1:11:13.600 his bags packed, and he's got a ticket out of 1:11:13.640 --> 1:11:15.679 town on the top of his lugage that they'd already 1:11:15.680 --> 1:11:17.599 sent him back home. So she's like, well, like, I'm 1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:19.880 not supposed to have my opinion heard here. So the 1:11:19.920 --> 1:11:22.719 fact that you got your you know, but you're probably 1:11:22.720 --> 1:11:23.479 a lot cutter than that. 1:11:24.640 --> 1:11:26.599 He knew though, that you were, that you cared because 1:11:27.160 --> 1:11:29.880 even years after, years after you guys stopped working together, 1:11:29.920 --> 1:11:32.600 and I was with him and Lenny somewhere and I 1:11:32.680 --> 1:11:34.360 mentioned you and he was like you could see, he 1:11:34.400 --> 1:11:36.120 was like, oh, how is I totally called you after? 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:37.559 Like how is Ruth? 1:11:37.680 --> 1:11:37.880 You know? 1:11:39.880 --> 1:11:42.439 I loved him? I mean We had a very just 1:11:42.600 --> 1:11:44.439 so I can make this, this is a very like 1:11:44.640 --> 1:11:48.439 sibling sort of relationship. There was everything, you know, there 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:51.200 was nothing untoward. And it was after I left, you know, 1:11:51.280 --> 1:11:54.479 then I realized that people who worked females were sort 1:11:54.479 --> 1:11:56.840 of someone involved with him. I was like, oh, like. 1:11:56.880 --> 1:12:01.360 No, interesting I've heard is after he passed, I contacted 1:12:01.360 --> 1:12:03.400 a lot of the people I interviewed, and they almost also 1:12:03.520 --> 1:12:05.679 the same thing. They'd loved him, and they protected him, 1:12:05.880 --> 1:12:09.880 and they felt territorial about him. And even to this day, 1:12:09.920 --> 1:12:12.679 there's a lot of people that will block for him 1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:13.320 in a. 1:12:13.280 --> 1:12:15.599 Sense that I have a really hard time with that though, 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:17.920 because if there were so many people that loved him, 1:12:17.960 --> 1:12:19.000 I feel like he would be. 1:12:18.960 --> 1:12:19.880 Here right now, right. 1:12:19.920 --> 1:12:22.679 But it's over the course of a forty year career. 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:24.559 Some of these people may have been around in the ages. 1:12:24.680 --> 1:12:27.679 Yeah. No, Actually I was Cheryl Nick, who's a big bartist, 1:12:27.800 --> 1:12:30.040 and she was like, she would tell me how she 1:12:30.120 --> 1:12:32.599 felt protective, and there was some you know, she maybe 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:35.000 not as close, but she was just like, you know, 1:12:35.040 --> 1:12:38.600 because you he's he's just he has this child's like 1:12:38.760 --> 1:12:41.080 spirit about him. He's a man, but he's a child. 1:12:41.680 --> 1:12:41.960 It's a. 1:12:42.040 --> 1:12:47.880 It's a very interesting conundrum to see this person and 1:12:47.880 --> 1:12:51.519 and sometimes he's you know, you know, sometimes he's a 1:12:51.520 --> 1:12:53.960 whiny kid and you want to like choke him out. 1:12:54.000 --> 1:12:56.640 Half the time, I wanted to babyshake him. I mean 1:12:56.800 --> 1:12:58.639 half the time all the time. Who am I kidding? 1:12:59.120 --> 1:13:01.639 Let's be honest. But but but I but I loved 1:13:01.720 --> 1:13:04.080 him like he was like he was there was a 1:13:04.240 --> 1:13:06.800 there der misogynistic parts to him, and then there were 1:13:06.960 --> 1:13:08.920 lovely generous parts to him. 1:13:09.080 --> 1:13:10.240 How many times were we fired? 1:13:10.680 --> 1:13:12.360 A lot? 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:14.639 What was the time period of being fired? 1:13:15.040 --> 1:13:16.960 No, this is this is this is a recurring story 1:13:17.160 --> 1:13:20.960 for James Brown, for almost every great and music has 1:13:21.000 --> 1:13:22.320 a thing where it's like your fire. 1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:25.880 And then like he never fired me, not ever, my drummer. Now, 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:27.040 so the way we. 1:13:26.960 --> 1:13:34.120 Parted ways, we parted ways. He eventually stopped calling, he 1:13:34.160 --> 1:13:37.200 ghosted me basically, but but like he never fired me. 1:13:37.240 --> 1:13:38.920 And he always said I'm not firing you. I could 1:13:38.920 --> 1:13:41.639 never fire you. And I was like, well, bitch, I'm 1:13:41.640 --> 1:13:42.160 not quitting. 1:13:44.640 --> 1:13:45.360 We do this. 1:13:46.200 --> 1:13:52.360 What was the distance between the argument and the radio silence? 1:13:53.160 --> 1:13:55.360 And Okay, I need some corn flakes? 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:58.760 Yeah, he could go a couple of hours to I 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:02.200 think the longest is two and a half weeks. 1:14:02.320 --> 1:14:02.639 Wow. 1:14:03.920 --> 1:14:06.920 You just thought like okay, no, no, no, no, he wouldn't. 1:14:06.960 --> 1:14:08.959 He just wouldn't call me. But I would get emails 1:14:09.040 --> 1:14:12.160 at all hours of the night, but he just wouldn't 1:14:12.200 --> 1:14:15.320 speak to me. So there was one time. I got 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:17.160 to tell you this one. There was one time we fought, 1:14:17.680 --> 1:14:19.000 and it was that it was one of the first 1:14:19.000 --> 1:14:20.719 parties that I threw at the thirty one to twenty 1:14:20.720 --> 1:14:23.439 one home, and he was so mad and it was 1:14:23.479 --> 1:14:26.200 something I did and I was like whatever, and then 1:14:26.840 --> 1:14:29.720 Raoul the driver was right there. He was like five 1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:32.719 inches from me. I'm at the front door. Raul Prince 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:36.439 talks to Raoul and he's like, tell Ruth that. And 1:14:36.600 --> 1:14:42.000 I was like, Migro, are you for real talking looking 1:14:42.040 --> 1:14:44.040 at Raoul and I'm in front of you her face, 1:14:44.080 --> 1:14:47.519 I was like maybe ten inches away from him. Tell 1:14:47.600 --> 1:14:50.639 Ruth that we don't want this person here. I think 1:14:50.640 --> 1:14:52.320 he was mad because somebody got to the party that 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:54.680 wasn't supposed to be there. And I was like, I 1:14:54.720 --> 1:14:56.800 had nothing to do with that. The person wasn't on 1:14:56.880 --> 1:15:00.559 my list and he came with another person and and uh, 1:15:00.720 --> 1:15:02.960 Raoul turns around and like Robel, I heard what he said. 1:15:02.960 --> 1:15:07.320 He's right there, and I was like, Prince, I was 1:15:07.439 --> 1:15:11.639 so mad. I was like yeah, all the time when 1:15:11.640 --> 1:15:13.760 I was mad, Like if I was in front of 1:15:13.800 --> 1:15:15.639 people or we were in a meeting with like Warner 1:15:15.640 --> 1:15:19.320 Brothers or executives, is yes, sir, no, sir, I would 1:15:19.320 --> 1:15:21.280 call him. I would say his name. I would say prince, 1:15:21.320 --> 1:15:23.000 like if I need to get his attention. But there 1:15:23.040 --> 1:15:25.519 was one time we were in New York and uh, 1:15:26.160 --> 1:15:28.200 and he there was too many people and I'm like 1:15:30.880 --> 1:15:35.280 all crazy. He turned around and he just laughed because 1:15:35.439 --> 1:15:37.240 there was no there was no way of getting his 1:15:37.280 --> 1:15:39.599 attention otherwise, and he was too far and I couldn't 1:15:39.640 --> 1:15:42.519 reach him. But he snapped his head back like. 1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:44.880 His mama called him and mama Sean did. 1:15:46.640 --> 1:15:49.080 But yeah, no, there was like there was like probably 1:15:49.080 --> 1:15:50.800 two and a half weeks as long as that the 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:55.559 radio silence would go. It was after a fight, and 1:15:56.000 --> 1:15:58.680 so he calls me up and I land. And now 1:15:59.040 --> 1:16:01.519 you know, people are annoyed because you know, the the 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:03.840 rehearsals have been going on, all the badges have been done. 1:16:03.840 --> 1:16:07.880 It's a huge production to get security clearance and all 1:16:07.920 --> 1:16:09.679 of that for the Super Bowl you need like twenty 1:16:09.720 --> 1:16:12.840 badges and pictures and blood type and you know, the 1:16:12.920 --> 1:16:16.960 last date of my period. So it was like an ordeal, 1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:18.599 and so they were annoyed that they had to rush 1:16:18.600 --> 1:16:20.760 it through in literally like an hour or two. So 1:16:20.800 --> 1:16:22.479 I get there and I can't you know, I can't 1:16:22.520 --> 1:16:24.880 walk around the grounds or anything. So I'm waiting at 1:16:24.920 --> 1:16:28.599 like this holding cell area, and then you know, Prince 1:16:28.640 --> 1:16:31.920 summons me and he's in his trailer, and so they 1:16:31.920 --> 1:16:33.920 have to escort me because I don't have any credentials, 1:16:34.160 --> 1:16:36.200 and so I get escorted. I go up there and 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:39.960 Prince is like, the sound is bad. Fix it. I 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:42.840 was like, you me, fix it? Like sound like I 1:16:42.880 --> 1:16:46.559 look like a sound engineer and I'm like okay. So 1:16:47.120 --> 1:16:51.280 he basically was upset about the sound. I had nothing 1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:53.719 to do with. The producers already knew about it. Everybody 1:16:53.720 --> 1:16:55.720 already knew about it. There wasn't anything I could do. 1:16:55.880 --> 1:17:00.920 I didn't know why I was there. So I said, well, 1:17:00.920 --> 1:17:02.880 you know, they're working on it, and he's like, okay, 1:17:02.960 --> 1:17:05.559 well we have an event to go to tonight. You're coming, right, 1:17:05.600 --> 1:17:07.360 And I'm like, well, yeah, I guess I am so 1:17:08.000 --> 1:17:09.840 you know where. I was like, hey, be in the car. 1:17:09.920 --> 1:17:13.120 We're leaving at no thing is if nobody knows Prince 1:17:13.160 --> 1:17:15.200 he likes to speak in the plural and the third person, 1:17:15.320 --> 1:17:17.920 so everybody else started to sort of pick that up. 1:17:18.000 --> 1:17:21.080 We all this we bullshit and it's just like you. 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:24.559 It's just you. And so he's like, we're leaving at seven, 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:27.240 and I'm like, okay, I go downstairs. I wait in 1:17:27.280 --> 1:17:31.679 the limo. And Prince was curious. He's really pissed about 1:17:31.680 --> 1:17:34.439 the sound and not you know about you know what 1:17:34.520 --> 1:17:37.120 he was hearing. Also in an empty stadium and there 1:17:37.160 --> 1:17:39.479 was no you, there was reverb and all this stuff 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:41.880 and you know what was going to be televised, and 1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:45.240 he was just not happy about the whole situation. We 1:17:45.320 --> 1:17:48.960 get into the limo to go to this event the 1:17:49.040 --> 1:17:53.000 night before the Super Bowl and he is like stone 1:17:53.120 --> 1:17:56.000 cold face killer like he gets in the car, doesn't 1:17:56.000 --> 1:17:58.960 even look at me, and I'm like, where's everybody else? 1:17:59.280 --> 1:18:02.280 And I asked for it's the question. He doesn't answer, 1:18:02.800 --> 1:18:05.240 and ray I was like, Uh, it's just you. And 1:18:05.280 --> 1:18:08.479 I'm like, you motherfucker, like you left me in the blimo. 1:18:08.600 --> 1:18:11.000 It's just me and Prince, and it was just like 1:18:11.439 --> 1:18:13.920 you could feel the tension in the air. It was 1:18:14.160 --> 1:18:18.000 just it was just so thick with like rife, with 1:18:18.280 --> 1:18:20.320 just it felt like anger. I wasn't sure what it was. 1:18:20.600 --> 1:18:22.040 And I was like, God, damn, I'm going to be 1:18:22.120 --> 1:18:23.599 in this car with them. I don't know what to do. 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:26.400 So I'm like and we start to leave and I'm 1:18:26.400 --> 1:18:28.400 like okay, and the driver says, oh, you know the 1:18:28.439 --> 1:18:31.559 destination is like fifteen minutes away. Well, it's South Beach 1:18:32.120 --> 1:18:35.639 the night before the Super Bowl. It is bumper to bumper. 1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:38.160 We it's twenty minutes and we don't move but like 1:18:38.240 --> 1:18:44.280 maybe a foot. And so Prince is getting highly annoyed, 1:18:44.280 --> 1:18:47.360 and I'm starting to panic because I'm like, I can't 1:18:47.400 --> 1:18:51.000 sit here for two hours with this dude just fuming, Yeah, 1:18:51.120 --> 1:18:53.560 just stewing. I was like, oh, this is super uncomfortable. 1:18:53.600 --> 1:18:57.040 And I was like fuck it. And I'm like, so 1:18:58.000 --> 1:19:00.000 this is so speech right. This is where they said 1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:02.880 did they film that movie say Hello to my Little Friend? 1:19:03.400 --> 1:19:04.840 But that's all I could come to mind, you know. 1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:07.519 And he was like, he looks at me, he gives 1:19:07.560 --> 1:19:09.280 me a side eye. Meanwhile, he's I only get his 1:19:09.320 --> 1:19:12.000 profile he never once really looks at me, and he's 1:19:12.040 --> 1:19:16.960 like yes, silence, Oh my fuck. And then he's like, ra, 1:19:17.080 --> 1:19:19.479 well how long you know, how long before we get there? 1:19:19.600 --> 1:19:22.880 And he's like, we're calling a police escort. So we're 1:19:22.880 --> 1:19:24.720 waiting for a police escort. And so I'm like I 1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:30.400 can't stand it. And I'm like, so, like, have you 1:19:30.439 --> 1:19:37.800 ever been here before? Well, because I couldn't. My brain 1:19:37.880 --> 1:19:40.240 wasn't working because it was so I was stressed out 1:19:40.280 --> 1:19:42.240 because he was stressed out, and he was like, yeah, 1:19:42.439 --> 1:19:44.000 I used to. I used to have a club here. 1:19:44.000 --> 1:19:46.559 It was really cool. It's called Clam Slam. And I 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:49.800 was like and then suddenly I remember so two days 1:19:49.840 --> 1:19:55.200 before now I had Amir had sent the Muppets Tonight, 1:19:56.479 --> 1:19:59.080 and he had sent me a CD version. I'd never 1:19:59.120 --> 1:20:01.800 seen it. It was the if no one's ever seen it, 1:20:01.840 --> 1:20:03.519 you have to look it up. Muppets Tonight with Prince 1:20:04.000 --> 1:20:04.920 it is, we know it. 1:20:05.240 --> 1:20:05.600 Yeah, the. 1:20:08.280 --> 1:20:13.520 Essence of So so what kept me around was that 1:20:13.520 --> 1:20:16.200 that that spark that you see in the Muppets Tonight, 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:20.400 that childhood sort of elation that Prince would come out with. 1:20:20.439 --> 1:20:22.360 That That's what when I would see that, that would 1:20:22.439 --> 1:20:25.760 kind of like fuel me, yeah, all of it. So 1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:29.640 he I'm like, no, you know what's cool. I'm like, 1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:32.760 I'll tell you what's cool. What's cool is you being 1:20:32.800 --> 1:20:35.639 on the Muppets tonight And he whips his head around. 1:20:35.680 --> 1:20:36.840 So the first time he looks at me in the 1:20:36.840 --> 1:20:38.679 hole like by now, it's been like forty five minutes, 1:20:38.680 --> 1:20:40.000 and he's like, what do you know about that? And 1:20:40.000 --> 1:20:43.160 I'm like, Amir sent it to me. He's like why Yeah, 1:20:43.280 --> 1:20:45.839 He's like what why is the mere sending you stuff? 1:20:45.960 --> 1:20:48.519 And I'm like, well, because you're in it and I've 1:20:48.600 --> 1:20:52.280 never seen it before. And I'm like, oh my god. 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:54.559 And so I go into this and I'm like, how 1:20:54.560 --> 1:20:57.400 about when Fozzy Wazzy bere goes. You're pretty mouthy for 1:20:57.439 --> 1:20:59.680 a guy with no name. And I literally, because I 1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:02.800 just it, I take on all the like and how 1:21:02.840 --> 1:21:05.080 I went gonzo, like where's the course hit in the 1:21:05.160 --> 1:21:08.839 fish nets? And he's like it's exactly like I literally 1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:11.280 like reenacted the whole thing because I'd just seen it. 1:21:11.520 --> 1:21:11.760 Right. 1:21:12.160 --> 1:21:16.120 So we spent the next hour talking about the Muppets 1:21:16.160 --> 1:21:18.720 tonight and what a magical thing is I After like 1:21:18.800 --> 1:21:21.320 my twenty fifteen minutes of reenacting because I had to reenact. 1:21:21.320 --> 1:21:24.360 I was laughing so hard at my own jokes. I 1:21:24.920 --> 1:21:27.200 was like I entertained. Raoul turned around and he's like, 1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:29.639 what the fuck is going on? And I'm like, dude, 1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:32.000 I'm like, I mean my moment, it was like it 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:34.120 was like musical theater for the five year old in me, 1:21:34.640 --> 1:21:37.479 and I like went through the whole thing, and I 1:21:37.560 --> 1:21:39.200 was like, how about when you were like wearing your 1:21:39.200 --> 1:21:41.880 little cute little overalls and you had that straw in 1:21:41.880 --> 1:21:44.839 your mouth, like you know, and so we talked about 1:21:44.880 --> 1:21:48.200 how he he was like, and this is where where 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:51.360 I bring back when you were saying, Dwayne about how 1:21:52.560 --> 1:21:54.400 he would like change, like if he was upset at 1:21:54.400 --> 1:21:56.880 someone and he would like not give credit to that 1:21:56.920 --> 1:21:59.800 person or whatever. So he's like, I don't remember who 1:21:59.880 --> 1:22:02.160 told me to do them muppets tonight. And now I 1:22:02.200 --> 1:22:04.080 was looked at him. I'm like, yeah, you do, because 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:06.320 I could tell you the way he phrased it. I 1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:09.200 found out later my day is first wife had encouraged 1:22:09.240 --> 1:22:11.880 him to do it. But he was like, but it 1:22:12.000 --> 1:22:14.040 was the best thing I ever did. He was like, 1:22:14.080 --> 1:22:16.880 it was the most magical experience in Henston's studios is 1:22:16.920 --> 1:22:20.200 like the most the most magical place you could ever 1:22:20.200 --> 1:22:24.320 be in. And we had this really, you know, really 1:22:24.920 --> 1:22:27.559 long conversation about it. And it was during the course 1:22:27.560 --> 1:22:31.040 of the conversation then I realized he wasn't angry, that 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:34.840 he was nervous. And it took me like, you know, 1:22:34.920 --> 1:22:37.120 cause you're he's prince, like you don't think about it. 1:22:37.560 --> 1:22:39.880 And when I saw him soften up, and when you know, 1:22:39.960 --> 1:22:42.160 I saw the look on his face and then I 1:22:42.240 --> 1:22:45.679 was like and I'm like, fuck it, and I'm like, prince, 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:49.280 your prince, like, no matter what happens tomorrow, like you're 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:51.680 gonna you're gonna kill it. You're gonna slay it. And 1:22:51.720 --> 1:22:54.080 there's nobody who's gonna ever do what you can do, 1:22:54.760 --> 1:22:58.800 not here, not today, not yesterday, not tomorrow. So I'm like, 1:22:59.439 --> 1:23:02.840 just know that, like I said, I guarantee you. And 1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:04.559 I'm like, and if you come back for that money 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:06.920 back guarantee I got about two dollars and fifty cents. 1:23:10.320 --> 1:23:14.400 Were what were his feelings after it was done? Because 1:23:14.400 --> 1:23:15.559 you couldn't have asked for. 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:18.080 I was. 1:23:18.320 --> 1:23:20.360 We ran down Kim and I and uh, I think 1:23:20.400 --> 1:23:22.120 it was strang show. We ran down to like the 1:23:22.200 --> 1:23:24.559 front like we because I was like, we were in 1:23:24.600 --> 1:23:26.280 the box seat and then we because they wouldn't let 1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:27.880 us in there's other people, and then didn't want to. 1:23:28.080 --> 1:23:30.000 I was like whatever, and then we ran down to 1:23:30.080 --> 1:23:33.960 the field. We got drenched. I was drenched head to toe, 1:23:34.000 --> 1:23:38.000 like like I look like a drowned rat. Prince like 1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:40.160 we run back ups. We're like, we gotta go see Prince, 1:23:40.320 --> 1:23:42.519 so we run back up after his after he's done, 1:23:42.920 --> 1:23:45.439 he's already in the box. I'm like, motherfucker, we left 1:23:45.479 --> 1:23:46.400 before you got. 1:23:46.200 --> 1:23:49.799 Off the stage. 1:23:50.560 --> 1:23:53.080 And I'm like, I'm not kidding. My hairs pasted to 1:23:53.160 --> 1:23:56.040 my forehead, my dress is like tissue paper all over 1:23:56.080 --> 1:23:58.400 the place, showing things that no one should ever see 1:23:58.760 --> 1:24:02.320 in public. And I look at him. I walked through 1:24:02.320 --> 1:24:04.000 the door kind of like that little kid. Do you 1:24:04.040 --> 1:24:06.280 remember that episode where the little kids in Jurassic Park 1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:08.600 where they walked through after they had been electrocuted and 1:24:08.600 --> 1:24:11.000 they walk in all dumbfounded, like to the foyer with food. 1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:14.960 I walk into the sweet and I'm all with my 1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:20.120 face just like all like crazy hair plaster. Prince not 1:24:20.280 --> 1:24:25.800 he had two droplets on his shoulder hat. I was like, 1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:31.000 I scream at him, and I'm like, how do you 1:24:31.120 --> 1:24:34.040 not have any water on you? Oh my god, you 1:24:34.160 --> 1:24:37.760 were amazing and I just go and I grab and 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:40.360 he like, we give no. He came up. He stopped talking, 1:24:40.640 --> 1:24:42.040 you know, he stopped talking to come up to me. 1:24:42.160 --> 1:24:44.000 Like I didn't just do that out of nowhere, like 1:24:44.120 --> 1:24:46.400 he like made the he made the he like he 1:24:46.600 --> 1:24:49.120 stopped his conversation and came right up to me, and 1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:51.760 I just give him the biggest bear hug and he 1:24:51.960 --> 1:24:54.479 just slaps and he's like thank you, and that was it. 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:56.040 And then he moved on and he said, talk to 1:24:56.080 --> 1:24:58.640 Kim and Trisha. But I'm like, I took that thank you, 1:24:58.720 --> 1:25:01.280 And I was like, yeah, that's right, Yeah I did. 1:25:01.320 --> 1:25:03.920 I did that, but actually or saved the super Bowl 1:25:04.000 --> 1:25:05.879 because if it wasn't for you, I would. 1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:08.040 Have literally lost, had no material. 1:25:07.800 --> 1:25:11.280 Had no material, none, none, and the super Bowl would 1:25:11.280 --> 1:25:12.160 have been a bust. 1:25:12.920 --> 1:25:15.280 It's amazing when you think about somebody like that being 1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:18.160 nervous because we all look at him as this guy's 1:25:18.200 --> 1:25:22.000 almost infallible, and when it comes to movies and then 1:25:22.080 --> 1:25:23.800 to hear I mean, there's a story in the book 1:25:23.800 --> 1:25:26.880 about Alan Leed's exactly going to the premiere of Peurple 1:25:26.960 --> 1:25:31.000 Rain and he's having almost holding Allen Leed's hand because 1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:34.720 he's terrified, and just you picture this guy who at 1:25:34.720 --> 1:25:36.559 the time. You gotta remember when Pearple Rain came out 1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:39.640 twenty four, twenty six years old. I mean that I 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:41.400 look back at that age and I'm like, that's as 1:25:41.439 --> 1:25:44.600 a child, you know, and I can't imagine having that 1:25:44.680 --> 1:25:48.200 kind of control. And if that movie bombed, it would 1:25:48.200 --> 1:25:49.680 have he would have been a punchline. 1:25:50.240 --> 1:25:54.160 But I think a lot of his the mysterious standoffish 1:25:54.320 --> 1:25:58.559 nature is due to the fact that, you know, kind 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:00.599 of like the Wizard of Oz, like you don't want 1:26:00.680 --> 1:26:03.360 anyone to see what's really behind the curse because you 1:26:03.439 --> 1:26:05.120 might be disappointed, that sort of thing. 1:26:05.360 --> 1:26:06.960 There's a lot of that, But I think it also 1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:10.680 is that you know, a person like that doesn't you 1:26:10.680 --> 1:26:13.200 don't trust anyone, so it's very hard to be vulnerable, 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:17.680 and so vulnerability is a commodity you know that he 1:26:17.720 --> 1:26:20.679 can't afford to share. 1:26:20.960 --> 1:26:23.080 He's a guy that's never I mean, he's always cool, 1:26:23.560 --> 1:26:25.760 and I think I said before somebody is you never 1:26:25.760 --> 1:26:27.920 see him trying to grab a straw with his tongue 1:26:28.000 --> 1:26:28.479 or missing it. 1:26:28.560 --> 1:26:29.559 Yeah, you. 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:35.160 Have us mortals haven't seen him doing this stuff. You 1:26:35.200 --> 1:26:39.080 don't see him tripping or you know, he's falling off 1:26:39.080 --> 1:26:41.280 the stage of James Brown. We know we've seen that, 1:26:41.520 --> 1:26:44.880 you know, but then then again the nerd off, but 1:26:45.000 --> 1:26:46.840 you don't, don't we don't. 1:26:46.880 --> 1:26:49.840 Yeah, exactly all of us say telling us about that. 1:26:49.960 --> 1:26:51.879 Really what he's saying, Oh, he's. 1:26:51.760 --> 1:26:53.320 Just saying that he made an ass out of himself. 1:26:53.320 --> 1:26:55.000 Then he didn't have a good night that night. 1:26:55.880 --> 1:26:57.200 You ever hear Allen's version of. 1:26:57.160 --> 1:26:59.720 That, No, tell me what I may have, but tell 1:26:59.760 --> 1:27:00.559 me no. 1:27:01.320 --> 1:27:05.040 I asked Alan, like, what happened on in the ride 1:27:05.080 --> 1:27:14.599 back home? And it was again they were sitting in traffic, Bobby, Jill, 1:27:15.080 --> 1:27:23.479 Allen and Prince and it was obviously it was dead silent. 1:27:24.280 --> 1:27:28.679 But that's what was so important about that night. Alan 1:27:29.040 --> 1:27:34.719 agrees that kind of the I will not I will 1:27:34.840 --> 1:27:37.800 never you will never catch me unprepared or that sort 1:27:37.840 --> 1:27:42.960 of So the genesis of his meticulous I mean, it's 1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:47.719 always been there, but what led to all the stop 1:27:47.760 --> 1:27:51.000 on the dime ship, all the you know, ain't nobody 1:27:51.000 --> 1:27:53.960 fucking with us sort of thing? That's the night it 1:27:54.000 --> 1:27:56.880 was born because and I even asked Wendy. I was like, 1:27:57.640 --> 1:27:59.760 so if he didn't say anything in that whole ride 1:27:59.800 --> 1:28:01.720 home and she was like, yeah, it was bumper to 1:28:01.800 --> 1:28:02.639 bumper traffic. 1:28:03.200 --> 1:28:08.000 No one said anything. I said, did you? Did you know? 1:28:08.040 --> 1:28:11.479 Because I asked the next day, like in rehearsal. 1:28:12.200 --> 1:28:14.640 Was there a look of like I wonder if you 1:28:14.680 --> 1:28:16.720 two told the others like what happened to me? Like 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:19.240 that sort of thing, And you know, it's like a 1:28:19.240 --> 1:28:21.519 fear thing, like I don't want to mess up Michael thing. No, no, 1:28:21.680 --> 1:28:22.919 like it's it's unsaid. 1:28:22.960 --> 1:28:30.560 But she sensed that that night changed, it was necessary 1:28:30.600 --> 1:28:31.000 to change. 1:28:31.040 --> 1:28:35.000 That was the motivation to like, Okay, I will be 1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:37.720 the greatest I will be. You know that sort of obsession. 1:28:37.920 --> 1:28:39.280 I talked about that a little bit in the book 1:28:39.280 --> 1:28:42.519 where it talks about his control and how important control 1:28:42.640 --> 1:28:44.800 was in any situation, and that would be part of 1:28:44.840 --> 1:28:47.800 what you said, and how the man had to have 1:28:48.479 --> 1:28:50.960 control over whatever it was with the conversation holding it, 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:52.559 you know, religion, guys or whatever. 1:28:52.640 --> 1:28:55.800 Interesting. You're right, he was definitely a control freak, but 1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:57.960 then there were certain things that he would like I 1:28:58.000 --> 1:28:59.920 was autonomous in a lot of the stuff that I 1:29:00.160 --> 1:29:03.320 did because I don't know, well, I was going to 1:29:03.360 --> 1:29:05.800 say because, but I don't actually know why. I think 1:29:05.840 --> 1:29:08.439 I was just basically part of it was that that 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:11.120 because not only was he a control freak, but he 1:29:11.200 --> 1:29:14.599 also liked to instigate stuff. So he could tell like 1:29:14.600 --> 1:29:17.120 twelve people to do the same thing, so there'd be 1:29:17.160 --> 1:29:20.519 some kind of weird rivalry competition and he and no 1:29:20.560 --> 1:29:22.120 one would talk to each other so we would all 1:29:22.160 --> 1:29:23.080 do the same job. 1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:24.680 So he could be above the whole thing and let 1:29:24.760 --> 1:29:27.720 you guys battle it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's let 1:29:27.800 --> 1:29:29.280 the minions kind of take you know. 1:29:29.400 --> 1:29:32.600 I have none of that, like I got that was 1:29:32.640 --> 1:29:34.960 the thing. I would be like, but he would say stuff, well, 1:29:34.960 --> 1:29:36.639 if you can't do it, I'll have such and such 1:29:36.720 --> 1:29:37.400 doing I'm like, I. 1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:38.920 Can do it, I can do it. 1:29:39.920 --> 1:29:41.640 I would get mad like it would be like he 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:43.679 would like stir you up in some way. 1:29:43.880 --> 1:29:46.280 Ruth, do you remember that super embarrassing moment we had 1:29:46.280 --> 1:29:48.800 at the Beverly Will share in his bedroom. I tell 1:29:48.800 --> 1:29:50.920 this really quick because it's the most embarrassing story of 1:29:50.960 --> 1:29:54.720 my life. But our friend af she and Shahiti photographer photographer, 1:29:54.920 --> 1:29:57.679 his dear friend we all met through all that through 1:29:57.720 --> 1:30:00.799 Prince had his camera and we were in Prince's bedroom 1:30:00.840 --> 1:30:01.439 thinking Princess. 1:30:01.520 --> 1:30:03.599 Okay, So first of all, we weren't in his real bedroom, 1:30:03.640 --> 1:30:05.640 so we were at the region. We were at the 1:30:05.680 --> 1:30:08.559 region I threw I had six hours to throw a 1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:11.320 party for the oscars. And that's the one that Tom 1:30:11.360 --> 1:30:16.880 Cruise came to and the one that yeah, he gave 1:30:16.920 --> 1:30:20.360 me six hours to find a place and throw a party, 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:23.840 and that's the one where Cameron Dia is like justin 1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:26.680 Timberlake with Justin Timberlake and Jessica Bielle was there. It 1:30:26.720 --> 1:30:29.040 was like a hot mess six hours. I was so 1:30:29.120 --> 1:30:32.000 mad and then I had I was like, like I learned, 1:30:32.160 --> 1:30:35.080 literally became an evil bitch. I was yelling at everybody 1:30:35.640 --> 1:30:39.679 and we Before the party started though, I was super 1:30:39.680 --> 1:30:43.120 stressed out. And there are many rooms in this this penthouse. 1:30:43.520 --> 1:30:45.719 Uh it was the big, big penthouse. 1:30:45.720 --> 1:30:48.800 So there's like several rooms. I didn't know about this night, 1:30:49.000 --> 1:30:51.080 so there's like there was like five there's like maybe 1:30:51.080 --> 1:30:52.120 five or six different rooms. 1:30:52.160 --> 1:30:53.679 And you know, it took six hours though. 1:30:53.720 --> 1:30:54.400 Six hours. 1:30:54.439 --> 1:30:56.160 Well that was the best part part of it is 1:30:56.200 --> 1:30:57.000 that I had to be like. 1:30:57.280 --> 1:31:01.600 Like you know. I I spoke Prince BONNYX before, you know, 1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:03.000 and it's like I was like a bit of a 1:31:03.040 --> 1:31:04.960 mind reader, so I would and he hated that. He 1:31:05.000 --> 1:31:07.920 hated that I would like try to him. Yeah, he 1:31:07.960 --> 1:31:09.680 really did, so sometimes he would flip it on me. 1:31:09.720 --> 1:31:11.160 But I was ready for that one too, So if 1:31:11.160 --> 1:31:12.800 he tried to flip the script, I got. I got that. 1:31:13.000 --> 1:31:15.880 So I had like like twelve plates running. But so 1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:18.120 we throw the party and we get there before no 1:31:18.160 --> 1:31:20.120 one's there yet, right, no one's there yet. 1:31:20.160 --> 1:31:22.599 There was a few fee people, but we. 1:31:22.520 --> 1:31:24.280 Walk into okay, so now we walk into one so 1:31:24.320 --> 1:31:25.800 I just don't want to say it's Prince's. 1:31:25.520 --> 1:31:27.919 Bedroom was the Prince's bedroom was one of the bedrooms 1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:31.559 in his suite. And af Sheen has this camera and 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:34.160 me and my dirty mind and being French and all 1:31:34.200 --> 1:31:37.200 the stupid shit I say, I say, we should we 1:31:37.200 --> 1:31:39.479 should do like a little sexy photo shoot, like a 1:31:39.520 --> 1:31:42.080 little porno. So af Sheen, you take picture of Ruth 1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:43.720 and I Ruth gets on the ball and I get 1:31:43.760 --> 1:31:44.400 behind Ruth. 1:31:44.439 --> 1:31:46.439 I'm like, oh, no, enacting this thing. 1:31:47.120 --> 1:31:49.040 And I'm like and af she like, I don't even 1:31:49.080 --> 1:31:51.519 know if he has the photos. But I'm studying there 1:31:51.560 --> 1:31:56.559 behind Ruth and dude just walks right into and he goes, 1:31:56.840 --> 1:31:59.519 he looks at me and he goes, now, he goes 1:31:59.640 --> 1:32:01.360 uh uh and walk right back out. 1:32:01.400 --> 1:32:03.479 And you were like, you look at me like you 1:32:03.640 --> 1:32:04.519 just got me fired. 1:32:04.600 --> 1:32:07.639 You just got me fired. Yeah. 1:32:07.680 --> 1:32:09.240 She was like, you just got me fired with your 1:32:09.280 --> 1:32:13.479 stupid ass. And if she was studying there like okay, 1:32:13.520 --> 1:32:16.599 this was awkward. And then I'm thinking like, I don't 1:32:16.600 --> 1:32:18.759 know how to go back into the room though, because 1:32:18.760 --> 1:32:20.559 he's going to see me in the room right, And 1:32:20.600 --> 1:32:22.160 then he was cool. I don't know, he had a 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:23.240 sense of you here. 1:32:23.280 --> 1:32:25.920 That was the first time that somebody's like come up 1:32:25.960 --> 1:32:28.679 behind me and done something they shouldn't happen. They got fired. 1:32:28.720 --> 1:32:32.800 So I had to tell that because that just came 1:32:32.840 --> 1:32:33.240 back to me. 1:32:33.360 --> 1:32:35.120 That was really funny. 1:32:40.320 --> 1:32:46.200 Okay, I'll go around the room. I would like to know, Mike, 1:32:47.120 --> 1:32:50.639 what is in your in your mind? 1:32:50.760 --> 1:32:51.920 What is your. 1:32:51.800 --> 1:32:59.439 Goal to see as far as his legacy concerned? Then 1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:00.679 how would you like that? 1:33:02.720 --> 1:33:03.920 Uh? 1:33:04.720 --> 1:33:08.920 Yeah, I mean, because the thing is he's he's not 1:33:09.080 --> 1:33:12.559 coming back, and I know I think, well, he would 1:33:12.600 --> 1:33:15.080 never want his he would never do a Nike commercial. 1:33:15.120 --> 1:33:15.960 He would never do that. 1:33:16.360 --> 1:33:20.639 But it's like we live in a society in which 1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:22.120 people forget quickly. 1:33:23.280 --> 1:33:23.840 And. 1:33:25.640 --> 1:33:27.920 You know, it's the battle of well, do we. 1:33:29.960 --> 1:33:32.720 Put him in Bob Marley terms and have him everywhere 1:33:32.880 --> 1:33:35.680 or you know, and you know, we've had a lot 1:33:35.680 --> 1:33:39.479 of eye rolling moments like the Empire Empire episode or whatever, 1:33:39.960 --> 1:33:41.679 or maybe what going to happen. 1:33:41.680 --> 1:33:43.240 I can tell you though, for one thing for sure, 1:33:43.320 --> 1:33:51.240 he would never want Purple Rene licensed. That's well, yeah, 1:33:51.400 --> 1:33:55.080 it was a work order that he had universal publishing. 1:33:55.680 --> 1:33:57.519 Purple Raine should never be licensed, not ever. 1:33:57.960 --> 1:34:02.400 Oh okay, well that's one thing in his will. 1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:05.880 I mean, it's just whether anyone's gonna honor that or. 1:34:05.880 --> 1:34:07.080 Not, is Matthew? 1:34:08.200 --> 1:34:11.040 What would you as as the ultimate Prince fan? First 1:34:11.040 --> 1:34:14.120 of all, what's what's what's your rarest artifact that you have? 1:34:15.080 --> 1:34:19.320 I kind of misrepresented you. I mean you your artifact 1:34:19.320 --> 1:34:20.839 game is crazy. 1:34:21.280 --> 1:34:23.479 I mean, you know, I have a couple of black albums, 1:34:23.479 --> 1:34:25.599 a German one in the US one which is pretty 1:34:25.680 --> 1:34:29.719 I feel that's pretty cool. But I have some some 1:34:29.960 --> 1:34:31.000 handwritten things. 1:34:31.120 --> 1:34:32.080 I have some. 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:38.280 Acetates and test pressings that I'm proud of, Like for you, 1:34:38.400 --> 1:34:43.040 the very first yikes, which I've had for a long time. 1:34:44.960 --> 1:34:49.760 A lot of I mean, it's funny, like I have cassettes. 1:34:49.800 --> 1:34:52.240 I have like cassette for that song the Voice, and 1:34:52.320 --> 1:34:55.960 I hear your voice from Warner Chapel with handwriting you 1:34:56.000 --> 1:34:59.360 know that has like the thing they sent him, things 1:34:59.400 --> 1:35:00.639 like that that are and of a kind. 1:35:03.080 --> 1:35:05.160 So but you know, I have a lot. 1:35:05.240 --> 1:35:07.080 And at a certain point in my life I got 1:35:07.160 --> 1:35:11.720 rid of some things around like gold experience kind of 1:35:11.760 --> 1:35:14.040 I kind of disconnected a little bit, and people came 1:35:14.080 --> 1:35:14.840 after me and was. 1:35:14.760 --> 1:35:15.960 Like, why'd you get rid of things? 1:35:16.080 --> 1:35:17.760 Because I was you know, at a certain point, I 1:35:17.800 --> 1:35:21.360 was buying my first house with my then wife and kids, 1:35:21.360 --> 1:35:23.040 and it was like we need money quick. You know, 1:35:23.640 --> 1:35:26.479 I had these my regrets that I wish you haven't. 1:35:26.479 --> 1:35:28.280 That's why I mentioned that earlier. I had these two 1:35:28.600 --> 1:35:31.640 uh so four sides of I wish you havn't acetates 1:35:31.680 --> 1:35:35.400 that had completely different mixes of the extended Somewhere. 1:35:35.400 --> 1:35:37.720 I have a cassette of it, so maybe you can 1:35:37.760 --> 1:35:38.120 find that. 1:35:38.640 --> 1:35:41.080 But that's something that but I got so much money 1:35:41.080 --> 1:35:42.439 and at the time, you know, I was like, I 1:35:42.479 --> 1:35:44.759 don't know, thirty years old, somebody gave me like fifteen 1:35:44.800 --> 1:35:47.920 thousand dollars for you know. I was like, that's a 1:35:47.920 --> 1:35:48.439 lot of money. 1:35:48.520 --> 1:35:49.559 Do you know who he gave? 1:35:49.600 --> 1:35:51.000 It was some some. 1:35:52.880 --> 1:35:57.519 Some kin I could maybe, but I had, like you know, 1:35:57.560 --> 1:36:01.160 I had some some you know, a couple of pairs 1:36:01.200 --> 1:36:03.160 of shoes and the princes shoes and. 1:36:04.760 --> 1:36:07.200 A couple of pair pair you know. 1:36:08.200 --> 1:36:10.920 Damn, I'm just it just hit me that I forgot 1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:12.200 I have like you have. 1:36:12.960 --> 1:36:13.639 I gave up. 1:36:14.080 --> 1:36:15.760 Even in here. I'm like, man, I wish I had 1:36:15.800 --> 1:36:16.560 some old. 1:36:16.240 --> 1:36:19.400 Way to you just your game like on a big No. 1:36:19.520 --> 1:36:23.760 I got lucky, man, and I will not probably have 1:36:24.000 --> 1:36:26.560 a house in the next three years. 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:29.200 You'll sell it altered me for twenty bucks. 1:36:31.439 --> 1:36:35.360 Now even you know, what's what's weird is that what 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:43.639 I have, it's so sacred to me that my I think, 1:36:43.680 --> 1:36:46.320 my plan is that I want him to really have 1:36:46.600 --> 1:36:50.519 a nice wing at the Smithsonian in DC. 1:36:51.960 --> 1:36:54.960 So I believe that I will. 1:36:55.240 --> 1:36:57.840 I mean because right now as we speak, I mean, 1:36:58.560 --> 1:37:05.280 you know, it's on the floor like it's it's it's hot. 1:37:04.600 --> 1:37:08.680 It's seven figures worth of ship that is sitting on 1:37:08.760 --> 1:37:11.679 the floor. And you know, I mean, you know, and 1:37:11.920 --> 1:37:16.880 I'd rather it just be in I'd rather put it 1:37:16.920 --> 1:37:20.000 to awesome, you know, I rather have it put to 1:37:20.040 --> 1:37:20.839 great my apartment. 1:37:20.920 --> 1:37:21.719 So I think that. 1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:26.320 I will probably donate it to my apartment the Smithson. 1:37:26.439 --> 1:37:27.120 I need some stuff for. 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:33.280 The walls in DC, So damn I wish you we haven't. 1:37:33.560 --> 1:37:36.160 Yeah, that's that's my you know, that's one of my regrets. 1:37:36.200 --> 1:37:38.760 And there's still a lot of other stuff. I mean, 1:37:38.760 --> 1:37:40.920 I have things, you know, in storage and things in 1:37:40.960 --> 1:37:46.360 closets that I forget about. But it's pretty crazy, like 1:37:46.400 --> 1:37:50.200 some of this stuff you have that love God. Well, 1:37:50.280 --> 1:37:52.360 one time I stalked him at Warner Brothers, a friend 1:37:52.360 --> 1:37:54.880 of mine was working in international. You talk about the 1:37:56.479 --> 1:37:59.439 Oh that was crazy, No, that says stay wet. Actually, 1:37:59.520 --> 1:38:02.160 this is crazy. I found the nineteen ninety nine thing. 1:38:02.240 --> 1:38:05.800 This was when like days after he passed, and this 1:38:05.960 --> 1:38:08.320 is like, you know, holy whatever you call it to 1:38:08.439 --> 1:38:10.960 divine intervention. But long story short, I get a nineteen 1:38:11.040 --> 1:38:14.800 ninety nine record that inside has a napkin one hundred 1:38:14.800 --> 1:38:19.160 percent authentic signs stay Wet, Love Prince in purple marker 1:38:20.040 --> 1:38:22.920 and we have the story goes deep. But yeah, that's 1:38:22.960 --> 1:38:24.320 so that. Yeah, that's one of those stuts. 1:38:24.640 --> 1:38:25.719 What made you look? 1:38:25.920 --> 1:38:28.680 I mean, no, no, they it said like, you know 1:38:28.800 --> 1:38:30.720 something I can't remember. It didn't even have it like 1:38:30.760 --> 1:38:33.760 on the outside it said like it didn't say so 1:38:33.920 --> 1:38:35.720 it was weird. It was like a few hundred bucks, 1:38:35.760 --> 1:38:38.320 so they knew it was something. But I just saw 1:38:38.320 --> 1:38:40.720 the guy putting it up. They hadn't put it up yet. 1:38:40.720 --> 1:38:42.400 I saw the guy in the middle of putting it up, 1:38:42.720 --> 1:38:44.559 and I was like, let me have that, and I figured, 1:38:45.000 --> 1:38:46.640 you know, I look inside, I see the thing, and 1:38:46.640 --> 1:38:48.960 I was like, yeah, I'm buying that. And then yeah, 1:38:48.960 --> 1:38:50.880 that was crazy. But I also had, like, you know, 1:38:50.880 --> 1:38:52.680 I had him sign some stuff. My friend used to 1:38:52.680 --> 1:38:54.840 work at International at Warner Brothers, and I came to 1:38:54.920 --> 1:38:59.200 the I guess it was for Graffiti Bridge and then 1:38:59.280 --> 1:39:01.120 he had the Diamonds and Pearls where they performed on 1:39:01.240 --> 1:39:03.960 the lot. That's when I met Jeff aaroff ended up. 1:39:04.000 --> 1:39:05.880 You remember we were hanging with Jeff back in two 1:39:05.920 --> 1:39:09.120 thousand and nine in New York Mere, the guy who 1:39:09.160 --> 1:39:12.760 signed Lenny and Man Harper and everybody. But anyways, Jeff, uh, 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:15.400 you know, it kind of stuck me in to watch 1:39:15.439 --> 1:39:17.800 Prince perform the diamonds and pearls thing on the lot. 1:39:18.080 --> 1:39:19.599 And then I had him sign a thing. 1:39:19.640 --> 1:39:21.679 So that's someone that's in my bedroom because he signed 1:39:21.720 --> 1:39:24.439 it to me, not to my name, but signed it. 1:39:24.479 --> 1:39:27.439 I was like that he signed it hard. Yeah, I 1:39:27.479 --> 1:39:33.439 think I have I've a napping from the first wedding. 1:39:34.120 --> 1:39:40.240 Really yeah, signs to no not signs. 1:39:41.640 --> 1:39:44.000 Of those such a geek weird. 1:39:44.680 --> 1:39:46.080 It was a gift. Somebody gave it to me. 1:39:46.560 --> 1:39:49.160 The way that he signed that, he sharp et the 1:39:50.320 --> 1:39:51.400 the get off twelve inch. 1:39:51.520 --> 1:39:53.560 Yeah, he did something. 1:39:53.320 --> 1:40:00.200 Similar to shocka Delica, So I think, yeah, I have 1:40:00.360 --> 1:40:04.280 the I have the Shaka Delicate or I have like whatever. 1:40:04.320 --> 1:40:04.840 He said that. 1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:07.519 He told Alan like have da da da play this 1:40:07.560 --> 1:40:11.520 record and he signed it and and you know Camille 1:40:11.800 --> 1:40:15.120 Shaka Delica and gave it to Alan to give to 1:40:15.520 --> 1:40:17.479 the DJ to play it and then bring it back. 1:40:17.800 --> 1:40:22.400 So I'm sorry, I'm still stuggling. 1:40:22.479 --> 1:40:23.960 I wish you haven't. 1:40:24.120 --> 1:40:27.120 They were like forced and they get off twelve and 1:40:27.120 --> 1:40:28.120 you're talking about. 1:40:27.960 --> 1:40:30.640 I was there when he got it, used to hang 1:40:30.680 --> 1:40:32.639 out back then, and he had it before anybody else 1:40:32.800 --> 1:40:34.559 and he said, look at this, and he's still he. 1:40:34.520 --> 1:40:36.519 Got a package from Paisley Park one day and I'd 1:40:36.560 --> 1:40:39.400 been I see, I was consulting for like anti piracy. 1:40:39.400 --> 1:40:41.240 I was a total hypocrite because I was collecting all 1:40:41.240 --> 1:40:44.160 the ship and they were paying me to like do 1:40:44.280 --> 1:40:47.360 anti piracy work. But basically it was, you know, I was. 1:40:47.320 --> 1:40:49.120 Just compared with Pigeon. 1:40:49.320 --> 1:40:51.280 Yeah, So basically like and I was like, you know, 1:40:51.320 --> 1:40:53.679 these are the I would make databases and all that stuff. 1:40:53.720 --> 1:40:58.560 And so they started sending me, you know, test pressings and. 1:40:57.880 --> 1:41:00.800 This guy, honestly it was it was because he'd always 1:41:00.800 --> 1:41:03.559 had some crazy stuff. He was always getting amazing stuff. 1:41:03.640 --> 1:41:05.639 And you still had a relationship with Lenny way back 1:41:05.640 --> 1:41:08.760 then because but he when he got the twelve inch 1:41:08.800 --> 1:41:11.439 of of Get Off, he like showed me and Brian, 1:41:12.040 --> 1:41:14.400 who used to hang out with and we were just 1:41:14.840 --> 1:41:16.880 dumbfounded by this thing, going, this is the coolest thing, 1:41:16.880 --> 1:41:17.920 and nobody had it. 1:41:17.840 --> 1:41:18.479 Because it was weird. 1:41:18.479 --> 1:41:21.080 He shipped it like two weeks later, so three weeks later, 1:41:21.120 --> 1:41:24.320 so I was and I was trying to see, like, wait, 1:41:24.400 --> 1:41:25.880 is this the actual writing on it? 1:41:25.960 --> 1:41:28.840 Like he still has the FedEx package that it came. 1:41:28.960 --> 1:41:31.000 From Paisley because I'm because I have a geek. 1:41:31.720 --> 1:41:40.200 And then I got yeah, I ship away. Well, I 1:41:40.280 --> 1:41:42.800 used to work at rough Bound Records, interned there and 1:41:42.840 --> 1:41:45.800 they sent like five of those on esther fans really 1:41:46.080 --> 1:41:47.040 and my. 1:41:47.120 --> 1:41:49.840 Mom the package, the package I got for that, it's 1:41:49.840 --> 1:41:52.599 another Paisley thing and it's got the gold sex CMF 1:41:52.800 --> 1:41:55.679 wrapped in underwear with the sex MF with the fan 1:41:55.800 --> 1:41:57.639 and a card from Print saying you know the. 1:41:57.600 --> 1:41:59.599 New blah blah blah. And I still have that thing 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:00.599 pretty intact. 1:42:00.680 --> 1:42:06.240 But you know, there's there was There was at Zanzibar 1:42:06.360 --> 1:42:08.800 the night where we were at Zanzibar, and that's what 1:42:08.920 --> 1:42:11.799 I was working on the Ultimate Prince thing with Warner Brothers, 1:42:12.080 --> 1:42:13.960 and I had like the he really like got in 1:42:14.040 --> 1:42:17.760 my head and about about it, and he was he 1:42:17.800 --> 1:42:19.559 got an advance for he knew it was, you know, 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:21.320 it was a real thing and he was down with it. 1:42:21.360 --> 1:42:23.840 But he asked me to take off certain songs because 1:42:23.840 --> 1:42:27.519 of his belief. So take Away, Erotic City, Soft and Wet. 1:42:28.640 --> 1:42:32.559 There was one more the twelve inches and on twelve 1:42:32.600 --> 1:42:33.320 the Ultimate Print. 1:42:33.439 --> 1:42:35.720 No, we had to take it off, so you know, 1:42:35.760 --> 1:42:37.680 thanks to Michael. Now it's out in the sound, in 1:42:37.720 --> 1:42:40.280 the right sound on the Purple Rain thing. But so 1:42:40.479 --> 1:42:42.240 I said, can I put Let's Work instead? So we 1:42:42.320 --> 1:42:44.360 replaced Let's Work and then for soft and what he 1:42:44.360 --> 1:42:46.920 wanted the acoustic version of seven. So it was like, Okay, 1:42:47.080 --> 1:42:50.000 that's not really the same thing. But but that night 1:42:51.200 --> 1:42:53.439 he had a I still have this. It was an 1:42:53.520 --> 1:42:58.400 acetate of I don't know why I got that. It 1:42:58.520 --> 1:43:00.000 was like a parting gift. 1:43:00.120 --> 1:43:00.479 I don't know. 1:43:00.600 --> 1:43:02.120 Maybe it was for somebody else and he thought it 1:43:02.160 --> 1:43:05.000 was somebody else. But it's a sex cmf remix with 1:43:05.240 --> 1:43:07.320 mixed with like ice cube wrapping. 1:43:07.360 --> 1:43:07.920 I remember that. 1:43:07.960 --> 1:43:10.120 It's like, but it's it's an ice cube track. It's 1:43:10.120 --> 1:43:12.000 not ice cube on prints. It's a it's like a 1:43:12.280 --> 1:43:15.760 like a Medley kind of yeah, mash up. But so 1:43:16.080 --> 1:43:17.720 I'll dig that up for you. I'll send you that. 1:43:17.960 --> 1:43:20.360 It's it's just but you know, things like that. I'm 1:43:20.360 --> 1:43:24.240 sure if I someday, I'm gonna actually, you know, organize 1:43:24.280 --> 1:43:24.759 my stuff. 1:43:27.320 --> 1:43:30.920 What is your wish as far as the legacy's concerned, 1:43:30.960 --> 1:43:31.479 what's your. 1:43:32.360 --> 1:43:34.880 I think there's so much potential to do. I would, 1:43:34.920 --> 1:43:38.240 first off, would love to see serious XM station that's 1:43:38.320 --> 1:43:39.880 just just prints or something like that. 1:43:40.479 --> 1:43:41.559 I would love to see. 1:43:41.520 --> 1:43:45.960 Did you not tell me that at the time you 1:43:45.960 --> 1:43:47.400 guys that conversation did you. 1:43:47.479 --> 1:43:48.800 Have, because I would love to see. 1:43:48.880 --> 1:43:50.479 To me, you got a Tom Petty station, you got 1:43:50.479 --> 1:43:53.599 a Bruce station, and I would love to smell. I'd 1:43:53.600 --> 1:43:55.200 love to see it right now because you could have 1:43:56.000 --> 1:43:57.840 all the different shows. You have a live show, you 1:43:57.880 --> 1:43:59.760 have a Bobby's he doing the DJ thing that he 1:43:59.840 --> 1:44:03.120 used to do. I think something like that would be amazing. 1:44:03.280 --> 1:44:07.439 And the problem right now is that the legacy of 1:44:07.479 --> 1:44:09.320 Prince is going to start to get smaller and smaller 1:44:09.360 --> 1:44:12.360 and smaller. And it's our job to keep expanding it. 1:44:12.400 --> 1:44:17.000 You know, Michael Jackson, it is important to us. But 1:44:17.120 --> 1:44:22.280 Michael Jackson's legacy is drifting because the reissues are having, 1:44:22.600 --> 1:44:25.720 yeah exactly, the re issues are having are not the Halloween. 1:44:25.320 --> 1:44:28.760 Thing care that was, soone's like, what the you know? 1:44:29.160 --> 1:44:32.360 But with Prince, he's got such a vast vault of stuff, 1:44:33.000 --> 1:44:36.519 some great, some not as great. It's up to us 1:44:36.560 --> 1:44:38.000 to kind of get you know. 1:44:38.600 --> 1:44:41.559 Well, there's enough for released twenty great records. 1:44:41.600 --> 1:44:43.760 Oh yeah, he's got a lot of great stuff, a 1:44:43.800 --> 1:44:46.400 lot of and I'm hoping what the State does and 1:44:46.439 --> 1:44:48.559 what Warner Brothers did. First off, I hope everything goes 1:44:48.560 --> 1:44:52.640 to Warner Brothers. I want it under one house. He 1:44:52.680 --> 1:44:54.800 may have had problems out with Warner Brothers at certain times, 1:44:54.840 --> 1:44:56.240 but it seems that Warner Brothers is never going to 1:44:56.280 --> 1:44:59.360 release what they have. I would like to see everything 1:44:59.720 --> 1:45:01.360 going to one place so you can have the greatest 1:45:01.439 --> 1:45:03.559 hit exactly, and you can, and then you don't have 1:45:03.600 --> 1:45:07.240 to fight about what when he did a session in 1:45:07.280 --> 1:45:09.680 eighty five that didn't come out, well, that would be 1:45:09.760 --> 1:45:12.160 under this umbrella, as opposed to somebody saying, well, that 1:45:12.240 --> 1:45:14.720 didn't come out, so this he He also did a 1:45:14.760 --> 1:45:16.720 lot of albums that as you know, he did a 1:45:16.760 --> 1:45:18.519 lot of albums that he gave to Warner Brothers saying 1:45:18.560 --> 1:45:21.320 release this, and they didn't. So when people complained that, 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:23.599 well he didn't intend to release this, no, he actually 1:45:23.640 --> 1:45:25.519 there's a lot of things he wanted to release that 1:45:25.640 --> 1:45:27.599 Warner Brothers are something that said no. 1:45:28.960 --> 1:45:30.040 Yeah, there's a lot of things like that. 1:45:30.080 --> 1:45:32.800 And on top of that, he would he would be 1:45:32.880 --> 1:45:35.280 very interested in something for Monday and Tuesday of a week, 1:45:35.520 --> 1:45:37.000 and that would be the most important thing. And then 1:45:37.000 --> 1:45:38.720 Wednesday come along and you get a new idea and 1:45:38.720 --> 1:45:41.320 he say no, screw Monday and Tuesday. This is wednes 1:45:41.479 --> 1:45:43.439 That didn't mean Monday and Tuesday stuff is bad. It 1:45:43.560 --> 1:45:45.680 just meant that he all of a sudden happened. He 1:45:45.720 --> 1:45:48.280 had a very short attention span and and I think 1:45:48.320 --> 1:45:50.880 he was really good at starting projects because that's when 1:45:50.880 --> 1:45:53.280 it's fun. You know, you're dating somebody and you want 1:45:53.280 --> 1:45:54.720 to you want you fall in love with the thing. 1:45:54.960 --> 1:45:57.080 But wrapping it up is. 1:45:56.560 --> 1:45:58.680 Is a little more difficult because it's it's the end 1:45:58.680 --> 1:46:01.439 of a relationship. So he would get interested in the 1:46:01.479 --> 1:46:03.120 new girl or the new girl, the new girl, the 1:46:03.160 --> 1:46:04.680 new song, the new song, the new song. And I 1:46:04.680 --> 1:46:07.000 think that so he has a lot of unfinished projects. 1:46:07.040 --> 1:46:09.000 I'd love to hear the flesh out there. I'd love 1:46:09.040 --> 1:46:11.400 to hear a Madhouse box set. I'd love to hear 1:46:11.560 --> 1:46:15.360 Vanity six and Apollonia's six box set. I'd like to 1:46:15.400 --> 1:46:18.280 hear unreleased Revolution album The. 1:46:20.320 --> 1:46:20.559 Garden. 1:46:20.760 --> 1:46:23.160 Even though some of that stuff was released on that album, 1:46:23.439 --> 1:46:25.880 there's more stuff there and I'd love to hear that stuff. 1:46:25.880 --> 1:46:26.840 I'd love to hear all the songs. 1:46:26.880 --> 1:46:30.720 I'd love to see a Sign of the Times multidisc 1:46:30.840 --> 1:46:32.680 set of all the stuff that came out for that. 1:46:33.000 --> 1:46:35.040 You know, with Dream Factory and all all that stuff. 1:46:35.240 --> 1:46:39.160 There's so many projects that the guy did that it 1:46:39.200 --> 1:46:41.280 seems like you could be releasing these things for a 1:46:41.360 --> 1:46:43.320 long long time. I would also like to see them 1:46:43.360 --> 1:46:46.719 taking some of the rehearsals and sound checks and saying, Okay, 1:46:46.720 --> 1:46:48.559 this is when he taught the band Purple Rain, or 1:46:48.560 --> 1:46:50.719 this is when he taught you know, and have let's 1:46:50.720 --> 1:46:54.080 say a year long process where once a month or 1:46:54.080 --> 1:46:55.120 twice a month. 1:46:55.000 --> 1:46:56.640 They come out with a tape. You know, they just 1:46:57.160 --> 1:46:57.880 a tape that. 1:46:58.000 --> 1:47:01.160 Is the rehearsal of something, and you subscriptions to the 1:47:01.240 --> 1:47:04.400 year and you get this download and that to me 1:47:04.439 --> 1:47:06.439 would be the best thing because and it doesn't have. 1:47:06.439 --> 1:47:07.120 To be perfect. 1:47:07.360 --> 1:47:10.040 It can be a flawed tape. We all understand this 1:47:10.120 --> 1:47:14.519 was like a set. But yeah, by now it's weird. 1:47:14.320 --> 1:47:17.800 Hearing something that sounds good. I don't understand this. 1:47:18.000 --> 1:47:20.600 But there's so many things that that you know, I 1:47:20.640 --> 1:47:22.519 think are out there that I think should be. One 1:47:22.560 --> 1:47:25.320 of the cool things about doing the book and stuff 1:47:25.360 --> 1:47:27.800 like this is because I get an idea of some 1:47:27.840 --> 1:47:29.519 of the things that are out there, and I'm thinking 1:47:29.520 --> 1:47:32.719 about doing a book that's eighty five eighty six which 1:47:32.760 --> 1:47:36.800 would cover Under the Cherry Moon, which would cover Madhouse, 1:47:36.800 --> 1:47:40.519 which would cover Sheila's second and third album, which would 1:47:40.520 --> 1:47:44.320 cover The Flesh, which would cover Crystal Ball, which would 1:47:44.320 --> 1:47:47.320 cover a it's a jazz. 1:47:47.320 --> 1:47:51.559 Group he did with during Christmas here, yeah, exactly exactly 1:47:51.880 --> 1:47:55.280 exactly a billion, So it would be that and then 1:47:55.720 --> 1:47:57.280 that album end or the book ends. 1:47:57.320 --> 1:47:59.680 The second book would end with the Revolution. 1:47:59.360 --> 1:48:02.240 Breaking up, the family breaking up, and then prints breaking 1:48:02.320 --> 1:48:05.680 up with uh Susannah, and then the last thing he 1:48:05.760 --> 1:48:08.559 does that year is recording Wally, you know, And that's 1:48:08.640 --> 1:48:10.880 right before the Sign of the Times band got formed, 1:48:11.200 --> 1:48:13.240 so it sets up Sign of the Times, which Sign 1:48:13.240 --> 1:48:15.400 of the Times is kind of a way of him saying, 1:48:15.720 --> 1:48:17.880 you think it was all about them, I'll show you 1:48:17.920 --> 1:48:20.200 what I can do with a new band, almost a 1:48:20.240 --> 1:48:23.800 completely new band, and and you know, almost feeling like 1:48:23.800 --> 1:48:24.599 he had something to prove. 1:48:24.840 --> 1:48:25.599 So that would be the book. 1:48:25.600 --> 1:48:28.600 After that, I'd love to keep doing books, you know, 1:48:28.640 --> 1:48:31.160 And like I said, until till it's done. I have 1:48:31.280 --> 1:48:33.360 enough material right now to do one about eighty one, 1:48:33.400 --> 1:48:36.400 eighty two, eighty five, eighty six, and eighty seven eighty eight. 1:48:37.120 --> 1:48:39.200 And I'm hoping that along the way. 1:48:39.120 --> 1:48:43.839 Three I know, you know your wife is still. 1:48:43.840 --> 1:48:50.880 You Yeah, yeah, she My daughter is funny. My daughter's eight, 1:48:50.960 --> 1:48:54.799 and she just all she knows is Dad sits and writes, so. 1:48:54.640 --> 1:48:55.880 She just she'll try to. 1:48:56.240 --> 1:48:58.479 I just wrote a book too, Dad, you know, it's 1:48:58.560 --> 1:49:01.000 very nice. But she doesn't understand that on every vacation, 1:49:01.120 --> 1:49:04.519 every night and every weekend, Dad sitting there writing, you know, 1:49:04.560 --> 1:49:07.519 And it's it's it's obsession, you know. And the interesting 1:49:07.560 --> 1:49:10.840 thing is I see it almost like Prince when he 1:49:10.840 --> 1:49:13.320 got obsessed with doing his stuff, working all the time, 1:49:13.320 --> 1:49:15.200 and it's almost like a life lesson when you see 1:49:15.200 --> 1:49:17.720 what Prince accomplished. There's a reason why he's got a 1:49:17.760 --> 1:49:20.000 vault full of stuff is because he was always working. 1:49:20.080 --> 1:49:22.160 And that's the reason why he was so good. Is 1:49:22.200 --> 1:49:24.840 he was always playing. And before a concert he would 1:49:24.840 --> 1:49:26.880 play for hours while they were still setting up the lights. 1:49:26.880 --> 1:49:27.519 He'd be playing. 1:49:27.840 --> 1:49:29.719 You know, you when you know that kind of stuff, 1:49:29.720 --> 1:49:32.439 there's a reason why he's he's that good and and 1:49:32.479 --> 1:49:34.120 there's a reason why nobody touches him. 1:49:34.400 --> 1:49:37.040 And that's why there's the reason why there's no next Prince. 1:49:37.600 --> 1:49:41.439 Because Prince never never not showed up to reheard, right. 1:49:41.600 --> 1:49:44.280 That's He just that guy lived music, He talked music. 1:49:44.360 --> 1:49:47.639 I think that his communication with people was based on music. 1:49:47.680 --> 1:49:49.600 He had a There was one story I heard that 1:49:49.680 --> 1:49:52.880 would be in the second book where his engineer was 1:49:52.920 --> 1:49:55.760 he's talking his engineering. He said, we should make a 1:49:55.000 --> 1:49:59.400 TV show called drum Talk where one drummer's going the 1:49:59.400 --> 1:50:02.880 other drumm's going and answering each other, like in drum talk. 1:50:03.120 --> 1:50:05.040 And I thought, that's that's courteous. 1:50:05.439 --> 1:50:07.800 But this is how he thinks. This is how this 1:50:07.840 --> 1:50:12.240 is how he thinks, and you know this, and so yeah, again. 1:50:12.160 --> 1:50:14.200 One thing I just wanted to add what you're saying, 1:50:14.200 --> 1:50:16.960 sorry real quick, is that because of the haters, and 1:50:17.000 --> 1:50:19.160 we deal with a lot of haters, is that let's 1:50:19.200 --> 1:50:21.599 remember that Prince was back at Warner Brothers. When people, 1:50:21.760 --> 1:50:23.880 you know, say, oh, Warner Brothers, Warner Brothers. He was 1:50:23.920 --> 1:50:25.840 back with Warner Brothers. That's why Michael was his A 1:50:25.920 --> 1:50:27.960 and R guy, you know when he passed. And the 1:50:28.000 --> 1:50:30.000 other thing is when people talk about he didn't want this, 1:50:30.080 --> 1:50:32.120 he didn't want that. I have first had experienced with 1:50:32.280 --> 1:50:34.800 Ruth there many times where because I before I was 1:50:34.840 --> 1:50:37.280 a photographer, really I was doing all the I still 1:50:37.320 --> 1:50:38.960 do a lot of photographer. 1:50:39.000 --> 1:50:41.960 He's taking pictures, deluxe editions. 1:50:41.600 --> 1:50:43.519 And all that stuff. And I used to give him 1:50:43.520 --> 1:50:45.240 those things and and he would. And when I give 1:50:45.320 --> 1:50:48.200 him to Miles Davis bitches brew fortieth anniversary box that 1:50:48.280 --> 1:50:49.920 I did, the first thing he said is we got 1:50:49.920 --> 1:50:51.120 to do you know, I want to do this with 1:50:51.200 --> 1:50:51.960 all my albums. 1:50:51.960 --> 1:50:53.800 So when people say he wouldn't. 1:50:53.439 --> 1:50:56.519 Want this, you and he was a Gemini, so he would, 1:50:56.600 --> 1:50:58.439 you know, want one thing one day. But I just 1:50:58.479 --> 1:51:01.120 wanted to put that out there that he did say 1:51:01.160 --> 1:51:03.920 that on many occasions and that he was back of 1:51:04.000 --> 1:51:04.479 Warner Brothers. 1:51:04.560 --> 1:51:08.439 That's all right, Ruth, your turn. What would you like 1:51:08.560 --> 1:51:09.360 his legacy to be? 1:51:10.160 --> 1:51:13.240 You know, I think it started during I mean it's 1:51:13.240 --> 1:51:16.160 always been there, but during my tenures when he wanted 1:51:16.200 --> 1:51:20.120 to create a museum droid at the beginning at a 1:51:20.240 --> 1:51:23.320 park at Paisley Park. So it was Dave Hampton, myself, 1:51:23.320 --> 1:51:26.759 Sam Jennings, and Rick Pelaquin who managed you know, Paisley 1:51:26.800 --> 1:51:31.479 at the time. And you know, I haven't been. I 1:51:31.520 --> 1:51:33.400 don't know what it looks like right now. I've seen 1:51:33.479 --> 1:51:37.599 kind of pictures and I'm a little disappointed, only because 1:51:38.560 --> 1:51:41.240 you know it's going along the lines. It's a very 1:51:41.240 --> 1:51:43.040 different I don't want to put words into Prince's mouth. 1:51:43.520 --> 1:51:45.200 I knew what he said to me at the time 1:51:45.240 --> 1:51:48.599 and the timeframe and during when I was with him, 1:51:48.880 --> 1:51:51.040 what he wanted. But then he you know, he could 1:51:51.120 --> 1:51:52.519 change his mind on a whim. I mean, there's a 1:51:52.560 --> 1:51:55.080 movie that he made. It's a terrible movie. But there 1:51:55.160 --> 1:52:00.960 is a movie thirty one twenty one, really and. 1:52:02.400 --> 1:52:04.880 It's the performances, the music. 1:52:06.880 --> 1:52:09.360 I know about the movie. I've never seen it. It's 1:52:09.439 --> 1:52:10.599 just something I should see. 1:52:11.120 --> 1:52:11.720 Apparently not. 1:52:14.360 --> 1:52:16.880 I've wasted a lot of bad things. 1:52:17.400 --> 1:52:19.840 But they're lying lying. 1:52:20.439 --> 1:52:23.720 Nobody say that the studio bits are cool because it's him. 1:52:23.920 --> 1:52:28.360 The studio bits are like really impainful studio in the studio, 1:52:28.560 --> 1:52:29.519 we filmed inside of. 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:33.759 The session with Study and Michael. 1:52:35.320 --> 1:52:39.760 There's some really good performance parts, but the project whatever, anyway. 1:52:39.439 --> 1:52:41.840 It's it makes out that the Cherry Moon look like 1:52:41.840 --> 1:52:42.559 gone with the Wind. 1:52:43.160 --> 1:52:46.479 I watch Purple Rain for the narrative. 1:52:46.520 --> 1:52:46.800 I love. 1:52:48.240 --> 1:52:51.760 I don't know, but I mean the better than the 1:52:51.760 --> 1:52:52.280 hard life. 1:52:56.320 --> 1:52:57.040 You don't want to know. 1:52:57.240 --> 1:52:59.280 That's a horrible that's a. 1:52:59.280 --> 1:53:05.439 Horrible you had we know Prince in movies are it's 1:53:05.479 --> 1:53:08.120 like a short fifteen minute film that they I think 1:53:08.160 --> 1:53:12.639 they like badr Okay, let me say this The Hard Life. 1:53:13.360 --> 1:53:14.800 It's kas next to. 1:53:17.080 --> 1:53:25.160 Now don't stop serving me anyway. 1:53:25.360 --> 1:53:29.640 But I think I think just because Prince would say, 1:53:29.760 --> 1:53:33.840 you know so one of the ideas, and I have 1:53:33.920 --> 1:53:36.200 quotes from like my work notebooks of what he wanted. 1:53:36.240 --> 1:53:42.360 He wanted Paisley Park to be an interactive, multi dimensional 1:53:43.280 --> 1:53:47.120 place where fans knew and old could come and discover 1:53:47.240 --> 1:53:50.679 and rediscover music. And part of his you know, saying 1:53:50.680 --> 1:53:52.360 that he would say all the time is I am music. 1:53:53.080 --> 1:53:55.160 And you know, one of the ideas was like He's like, 1:53:55.160 --> 1:53:58.280 we could hang a guitar here, you know, underneath some 1:53:58.400 --> 1:54:00.960 acrylic and I'm like, no, that's not what you do. 1:54:01.280 --> 1:54:03.640 You hang a guitar here, you have a suspended and 1:54:03.720 --> 1:54:06.240 like suspended animation, have a twirling you can have a 1:54:06.280 --> 1:54:10.320 hologram of all the music or the shows of what 1:54:10.439 --> 1:54:13.439 that guitar played on. And I don't know anything about 1:54:13.439 --> 1:54:15.400 Prince and his music and like the songs, but I 1:54:15.880 --> 1:54:18.120 you know, I know what I think would be cool 1:54:18.160 --> 1:54:20.720 to go into a interactive museum and kind of like 1:54:20.760 --> 1:54:22.640 you know, the Met Museum where you put on like 1:54:22.640 --> 1:54:25.040 the headphones and either they can be guided or they 1:54:25.040 --> 1:54:27.200 can be you know, via headphones, and you as you 1:54:27.280 --> 1:54:31.880 walk through each area, you are you know, you walk 1:54:31.880 --> 1:54:35.040 into an experience. Because that's what the parties were. The 1:54:35.080 --> 1:54:39.240 parties were a multi dimensional experience. You were you were 1:54:39.280 --> 1:54:44.120 assaulted through sound, through smell, through taste. It would like 1:54:44.160 --> 1:54:46.240 we used all your senses and that was what we 1:54:46.240 --> 1:54:49.480 were trying to do with Paisley Park. Now what I 1:54:49.560 --> 1:54:51.880 saw in a picture, I mean, I'm not not to 1:54:51.920 --> 1:54:54.600 diss anyone or anything, but I saw like a utility 1:54:54.600 --> 1:54:56.760 closet popped out and a curlic not even the door 1:54:56.840 --> 1:54:59.160 jams are taken out, and like there's a guitar just 1:54:59.280 --> 1:55:01.920 lying there just because Prince tells you to do that. 1:55:01.920 --> 1:55:04.320 That's not That's not how I work anyway. I don't 1:55:04.360 --> 1:55:09.040 like that's the basic of what he wants, the bare minimum. 1:55:09.160 --> 1:55:11.280 And if it's done like that, you know, he's a 1:55:11.440 --> 1:55:13.280 he's a quick moving guy. So if it's already done, 1:55:13.280 --> 1:55:15.200 he's just gonna keep it moving. But what I would 1:55:15.320 --> 1:55:17.960 love to see for his legacy is the things that 1:55:18.000 --> 1:55:23.080 we talked about but implemented in the most suffil Thank you, 1:55:23.360 --> 1:55:24.880 Thank you, took the words right out of my mouth. 1:55:24.920 --> 1:55:28.720 We're not beyond. It's not classy, it's it's more like 1:55:30.200 --> 1:55:32.800 it's got to change. So whatever is implemented has to 1:55:32.800 --> 1:55:35.520 be able to morph at just like he did. He 1:55:35.560 --> 1:55:37.880 morphed and he changed. He changed, but he didn't like 1:55:37.920 --> 1:55:40.240 there were the core things. His core thing with Prince 1:55:40.360 --> 1:55:43.240 was always the record company. Like he was always going 1:55:43.280 --> 1:55:45.040 to fight the record company. It didn't matter whether he 1:55:45.080 --> 1:55:46.960 was friends with them or not. He was always he 1:55:47.000 --> 1:55:50.040 was always gonna look at an attorney side eyed. Always 1:55:50.200 --> 1:55:52.680 he didn't trust attorneys. No matter who tells you what, 1:55:52.960 --> 1:55:56.120 he didn't trust them. You know, you can say that 1:55:56.240 --> 1:55:58.800 like three does a blels lowered, it'll still be true. 1:55:59.080 --> 1:56:01.720 Like he you know, there were there were certain things 1:56:01.720 --> 1:56:05.200 about him and like Duayanne and meant to you and 1:56:05.200 --> 1:56:07.680 everyone here says like he would change his mind, then 1:56:07.680 --> 1:56:09.600 he would change it back. So what I can say 1:56:09.600 --> 1:56:12.120 to you right now could almost be like solid truth. 1:56:12.160 --> 1:56:14.080 But then you know, the last couple of years, a 1:56:14.080 --> 1:56:16.640 lot of things happened that that I would have never 1:56:16.720 --> 1:56:19.120 even foreseen because of all the things that he said 1:56:19.160 --> 1:56:21.240 to me. You know, over and over and over again 1:56:21.320 --> 1:56:22.760 that he would never do and some of the things 1:56:22.760 --> 1:56:27.120 were done therefore, you know, who's to say, but the best, 1:56:27.760 --> 1:56:32.240 the best implementation of his legacy would be to have 1:56:32.760 --> 1:56:37.560 the music released, but in a timely manner after it's 1:56:37.600 --> 1:56:41.680 been well curated and and and and you know, all 1:56:41.720 --> 1:56:44.560 the anthology, the prince anthologists that are present or whoever 1:56:44.640 --> 1:56:47.800 needs to be involved with that, knowing what needs to 1:56:48.480 --> 1:56:51.000 what what you know, come to a consensus and agreement 1:56:51.280 --> 1:56:53.240 like my dream and I had I had already. I 1:56:53.280 --> 1:56:55.880 had told him this when we were talking about his 1:56:57.040 --> 1:56:59.320 the day we talked about as well, and he was like, 1:56:59.400 --> 1:57:01.800 oh why because he asked me why he should have 1:57:01.800 --> 1:57:04.160 a will and I'm like, because somebody needs to manage 1:57:04.160 --> 1:57:06.360 your state. And he's like, why you think you're gonna 1:57:06.360 --> 1:57:08.160 manage it? And I was like, you know what, I 1:57:08.240 --> 1:57:10.200 did a really good job. If you were good if 1:57:10.200 --> 1:57:12.480 you ask me the question, He's like, oh, all by yourself, 1:57:12.680 --> 1:57:14.760 and I'm like, no, I would have like a tribe 1:57:14.920 --> 1:57:17.880 of people managing. You would take one old band member, 1:57:17.920 --> 1:57:20.879 not all of them, because there's a lot of stuff happening, 1:57:21.280 --> 1:57:23.120 and you would rotate. There would be two positions you 1:57:23.120 --> 1:57:24.840 would rotate. It would be the band members and it 1:57:24.840 --> 1:57:28.760 would be maybe some sort of super fan base. The 1:57:29.160 --> 1:57:32.720 other ten they would be executives. There would be you know, 1:57:34.080 --> 1:57:37.600 music and you would be your music industry executives. There 1:57:37.600 --> 1:57:42.320 would be your counterparts like Lenny Kravitz or you know, 1:57:42.720 --> 1:57:45.120 somebody like that. And then you would have you know, 1:57:45.280 --> 1:57:49.280 maybe one former employee. But even that should be rotated 1:57:49.320 --> 1:57:53.080 because power just is strange when it comes to Prince. 1:57:53.120 --> 1:57:56.840 It's where I learned how to hate everybody. So it 1:57:56.880 --> 1:57:59.920 would literally be a tribe of people sort of curating 1:58:00.120 --> 1:58:05.480 and finding the best alternative for you know, because everybody's 1:58:05.480 --> 1:58:07.520 got the version. Well that Prince would never do that, Well, no, 1:58:08.120 --> 1:58:11.320 you wouldn't do it, but he didn't leave direction, so 1:58:11.400 --> 1:58:13.520 you have to take the next best things in order 1:58:13.520 --> 1:58:16.280 to secure his legacy, to move it forward and to 1:58:16.360 --> 1:58:18.520 introduce it to the masses. Like I like Matt too, 1:58:19.120 --> 1:58:21.360 Like when we talk, he tells me something new all 1:58:21.400 --> 1:58:23.760 the time that I didn't know about Prince because I 1:58:23.800 --> 1:58:27.200 only knew the person. Really the musician is something that 1:58:27.280 --> 1:58:30.680 I am still discovering, and that would be like a 1:58:30.760 --> 1:58:33.800 dream to have that sort of cemented, if you know, 1:58:33.840 --> 1:58:36.360 the estake could just sort of set a hard and 1:58:36.400 --> 1:58:40.200 fast guideline or something that's concrete, like a like a 1:58:40.280 --> 1:58:43.120 serious documentary, which I've talked to other people about, and 1:58:43.680 --> 1:58:48.760 something that just takes in everything and you don't have 1:58:48.840 --> 1:58:51.480 there's not enough time to go over it's like a documentary. 1:58:51.480 --> 1:58:54.040 It would be like ten hours. There's just too much. 1:58:54.080 --> 1:58:55.680 He did on so many different levels. 1:58:55.720 --> 1:58:57.760 And I add one or two things real quick. You 1:58:57.800 --> 1:59:01.880 would mention documentary. We were talking earlier about ken Burns 1:59:01.920 --> 1:59:04.040 type thing. It's why I'm watching the One of a 1:59:04.120 --> 1:59:06.560 Vietnam or he did the Jazz one. Imagine a ten 1:59:06.640 --> 1:59:09.880 hour PBS documentary about it. I know, which would be great. 1:59:09.880 --> 1:59:11.520 And I make documentaries for a living. This has to 1:59:11.520 --> 1:59:13.560 be something I would love to do. But one thing 1:59:13.600 --> 1:59:16.240 I wanted to make. You brought something that reminded me 1:59:16.560 --> 1:59:18.800 something that I think has been forgotten. And a lot 1:59:18.800 --> 1:59:21.360 of the stuff that's being done is all the people 1:59:21.360 --> 1:59:24.240 that work for them, the pure and alumni and people 1:59:24.280 --> 1:59:27.080 like that that really were there. Like you were saying, 1:59:27.160 --> 1:59:30.240 there's a lot of people who understand his legacy because 1:59:30.280 --> 1:59:33.800 of the pocket they were in and to have it, 1:59:34.040 --> 1:59:36.960 and I think that it's going to waste by not 1:59:38.240 --> 1:59:40.960 by the estate, not kind of checking in with some 1:59:40.960 --> 1:59:44.600 of these people. I would love to see them do 1:59:43.720 --> 1:59:46.720 a Prince Day at just for the people who used 1:59:46.720 --> 1:59:48.720 to work for them, and say, you guys can all 1:59:48.760 --> 1:59:51.760 kind of Paisley Park, take out your cameras, take pictures 1:59:51.760 --> 1:59:53.160 and make it like a picnic day for all you 1:59:53.200 --> 1:59:55.160 guys can kind of get back together and have a 1:59:55.200 --> 1:59:57.400 fun day. But it seems to be so secretive right now, 1:59:57.840 --> 2:00:00.240 and they don't like to do that to me that 2:00:00.240 --> 2:00:03.200 there's engineers and there's band members that have stories to tell. 2:00:03.240 --> 2:00:05.080 And that's one of the reasons I wrote a book, 2:00:05.520 --> 2:00:07.120 and that's one of the reasons we all love articles 2:00:07.120 --> 2:00:09.120 and stuff like this about this stuff. And that's one 2:00:09.120 --> 2:00:11.000 of the reasons you you know, people come on your 2:00:11.000 --> 2:00:13.280 show because we want to hear these stories. And these 2:00:13.280 --> 2:00:16.680 stories are going to die if these aren't told. And 2:00:17.480 --> 2:00:19.480 these stories are what keeps Prince alive. And when I 2:00:19.520 --> 2:00:22.360 hear these, it's like he's back again, and we're never 2:00:22.360 --> 2:00:23.840 going to get him back and again there's never gonna 2:00:23.840 --> 2:00:26.040 be another Prince. So it's up to everybody else to 2:00:26.120 --> 2:00:29.280 tell these stories and to put the pieces together. We're 2:00:29.320 --> 2:00:31.920 never going to get the full picture. But the responsibility 2:00:31.920 --> 2:00:34.640 of everybody right now is to tell the truth and 2:00:34.760 --> 2:00:36.120 to tell what they remember. 2:00:37.040 --> 2:00:39.000 I know, but I'm saying to tell that tell the 2:00:39.000 --> 2:00:40.000 truth as much as they can. 2:00:40.160 --> 2:00:41.800 So many revised historically. 2:00:41.920 --> 2:00:43.920 Well that's true, but I think that people are getting 2:00:43.960 --> 2:00:47.560 ignored and accidentally ignored or actually written off. And there's 2:00:47.560 --> 2:00:49.400 a lot of people that had you know, I would 2:00:49.520 --> 2:00:51.720 never have known the glass cutter story. And now I'm 2:00:51.760 --> 2:00:54.920 going to always think about that exactly. 2:00:59.200 --> 2:01:01.320 I'd be fired just tag me to it. But but 2:01:01.360 --> 2:01:02.800 I think that there's there's stories like this. 2:01:02.840 --> 2:01:05.040 I mean, somebody, Joe Willis was telling me that there 2:01:05.080 --> 2:01:08.280 was a the song shake. He was gonna make a 2:01:08.760 --> 2:01:11.720 shake in the in the in the kitchen and he 2:01:11.760 --> 2:01:13.400 came up with shake. He's like, I'll be right back, 2:01:13.400 --> 2:01:16.640 and you know, goes so that kind of stuff. There 2:01:16.680 --> 2:01:20.000 was another one somebody told me that the house quake 2:01:20.520 --> 2:01:22.720 was he was walking across the floor going out to 2:01:22.760 --> 2:01:26.320 dinner here in one of the studios and his feet 2:01:26.640 --> 2:01:30.520 made that sound it and and he's like, dinner's off, 2:01:30.680 --> 2:01:32.520 and he went back to the drammon went poop poom, 2:01:32.920 --> 2:01:36.040 you know, and and and you go, you guys always 2:01:36.040 --> 2:01:36.720 feeding the machine. 2:01:37.000 --> 2:01:38.080 So he's always looking. 2:01:37.880 --> 2:01:40.880 For that that, like you said, a casual conversation somebody 2:01:40.880 --> 2:01:43.920 could have, becomes a joke you throw away, becomes a 2:01:43.960 --> 2:01:46.200 song title or becomes a part. 2:01:46.640 --> 2:01:48.520 He's one of my jokes. 2:01:48.600 --> 2:01:50.360 He would steal this stuff all the time. 2:01:50.400 --> 2:01:54.280 With this song is so good, I'm starting to like ovulate. 2:01:53.880 --> 2:01:54.400 And what do you do? 2:01:54.800 --> 2:01:57.080 He made it into like a weird lyric. It was 2:01:57.560 --> 2:02:02.240 terrible exactly he would he would station. I was like, Prince, 2:02:02.280 --> 2:02:03.560 that's not good, that's not good. 2:02:03.680 --> 2:02:05.520 But he would pull this kind of stuff from everybody. 2:02:05.520 --> 2:02:07.560 And and that's one of the fun things is you 2:02:07.560 --> 2:02:11.040 can tell his work based on who was around him. 2:02:11.160 --> 2:02:13.840 You can hear Susan Rodgers influence, you can hear Peggy 2:02:13.880 --> 2:02:16.160 my career influence, you can hear each one of these 2:02:16.160 --> 2:02:18.560 band members that you know, Fink was around for this 2:02:18.680 --> 2:02:20.760 long period and so he's got stories to tell it. 2:02:20.920 --> 2:02:23.520 Just to me, I think it's almost criminal that that 2:02:23.640 --> 2:02:25.760 these things aren't being well. 2:02:25.800 --> 2:02:27.880 Hopefully, if there's like a documentary that comes. 2:02:27.800 --> 2:02:30.560 Out, documentary just the oral history of print. 2:02:30.440 --> 2:02:31.640 Stories, Yeah that's true. 2:02:33.080 --> 2:02:35.600 I'm gonna start my book right now, but I do 2:02:35.680 --> 2:02:37.800 want to see because I did mention hashtag me too, 2:02:38.000 --> 2:02:39.920 just I don't want to be slight about it at all. 2:02:40.000 --> 2:02:43.400 That Prince, even though you could be slightly misogynistic and 2:02:44.160 --> 2:02:49.720 kind of a jerk sometimes, he was never, ever, ever, 2:02:51.240 --> 2:02:57.040 as far as I know, inappropriate with women. And I 2:02:57.120 --> 2:02:58.520 just want to put that out there because there's so 2:02:58.560 --> 2:03:01.560 many people like like you know, getting thrown under the 2:03:01.600 --> 2:03:04.360 bus and Dave Chappelle. I just saw him and spend 2:03:04.360 --> 2:03:06.800 some time with him, and you know, he's a lot 2:03:06.840 --> 2:03:09.120 of his comedy is on that. But Prince, even though 2:03:09.120 --> 2:03:12.160 he was all about the sex and and all kind 2:03:12.200 --> 2:03:14.760 of crazy whatever the wild and crazy songs you were 2:03:14.760 --> 2:03:18.440 talking about with those lyrics, he was never ever not 2:03:18.520 --> 2:03:21.520 to me, not to like, anybody that was involved was 2:03:21.560 --> 2:03:24.160 there because they wanted to be there. He was never inappropriate. 2:03:24.200 --> 2:03:25.360 He was never I. 2:03:25.280 --> 2:03:28.640 Think the majority of his fan base happens to agree 2:03:28.680 --> 2:03:29.240 with you. 2:03:29.480 --> 2:03:31.560 Yeah, but I don't know how who listens to this, 2:03:31.640 --> 2:03:34.520 and I just want to make that, but I just 2:03:34.560 --> 2:03:36.840 want to make that, like it's like a like a 2:03:36.960 --> 2:03:39.560 very clear statement about who Prince was. And he was 2:03:39.640 --> 2:03:42.400 always a gentleman. He might have been like, you know, 2:03:42.600 --> 2:03:46.600 an asshole sometimes, but he was never well, you know, 2:03:46.680 --> 2:03:48.120 I definitely learned a few things. 2:03:47.920 --> 2:03:50.240 From him, but get me some cereal. 2:03:51.480 --> 2:03:53.920 We went on a cereal one night. That was one 2:03:53.960 --> 2:03:58.360 of my favorite. We went to Rouse to get him 2:03:58.360 --> 2:04:01.920 some cereal. And I thought he did that just to 2:04:01.960 --> 2:04:04.760 break up his suspicion if I was trying to see 2:04:04.840 --> 2:04:05.080 ruth it. 2:04:05.160 --> 2:04:05.880 No, I don't know. 2:04:06.520 --> 2:04:08.400 Now you know what he had. No, he had a 2:04:08.440 --> 2:04:11.760 thing about why isn't talking. He's like, tell him Mary, 2:04:11.840 --> 2:04:13.720 he can't come because he talks too much. He's like 2:04:13.760 --> 2:04:17.280 the pot. He's like, he's like he's like talk Like 2:04:17.480 --> 2:04:20.040 bringing him mirror is like having him go snitch to 2:04:20.080 --> 2:04:23.680 the police, you know. But then but then he was 2:04:23.800 --> 2:04:25.360 like relenting would be there. 2:04:31.520 --> 2:04:33.600 All right, Bill, We got to wrap this up. What's 2:04:33.640 --> 2:04:37.160 your wish uh for his legacy? 2:04:38.720 --> 2:04:41.400 I actually would love to It's all pretty much been mentioned. 2:04:41.400 --> 2:04:44.800 But I'd love to see like an app or a 2:04:44.840 --> 2:04:48.360 subscription service that's like based around the app where they 2:04:48.560 --> 2:04:51.040 can continuously rotate content in and out. 2:04:51.640 --> 2:04:53.560 The idea of the MPG Music Club. 2:04:55.360 --> 2:04:59.680 But done properly, but done properly, but done properly, just 2:04:59.800 --> 2:05:00.480 say Jennings. 2:05:00.480 --> 2:05:02.480 But well, I mean, you know, he was that was 2:05:02.520 --> 2:05:04.720 a lot of Prince right, Like you know, Prince wanted 2:05:04.760 --> 2:05:08.360 to have like those weird whatever that hide and seek things. 2:05:08.480 --> 2:05:09.520 Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 2:05:09.760 --> 2:05:11.120 I didn't pay attention to that. 2:05:11.120 --> 2:05:14.080 That was another thing that was started and then just. 2:05:14.360 --> 2:05:19.040 Too busy getting cereal or calling yak so. 2:05:25.240 --> 2:05:28.160 Well all closing saying that probably, I mean, yeah, you guys, 2:05:28.280 --> 2:05:30.360 everything that you guys said, of course I agree with. 2:05:31.200 --> 2:05:33.600 I actually say that I want to be selfish enough 2:05:33.840 --> 2:05:37.360 and maybe. 2:05:36.320 --> 2:05:37.680 Grumpy old guy enough. 2:05:38.920 --> 2:05:42.560 I would like to see the analog version of that 2:05:44.320 --> 2:05:49.160 idea where it's like, maybe it's just me in my 2:05:49.160 --> 2:05:51.480 my middle age wanting to revisit my childhood. 2:05:51.520 --> 2:05:53.080 I don't have room for all that ship. 2:05:53.800 --> 2:05:58.120 We always I'm just saying that for me, especially with 2:05:58.320 --> 2:06:02.320 there being two record store Days, you know, I would 2:06:02.400 --> 2:06:04.720 hear a Record Store Days. Yeah, I would like a 2:06:04.840 --> 2:06:08.280 record store series where it's like, you know, all this 2:06:08.320 --> 2:06:09.760 stuff remastered on wax. 2:06:09.800 --> 2:06:13.200 Of course, this stuff. 2:06:12.960 --> 2:06:15.520 Being you know, we're in forty five culture right now, 2:06:16.120 --> 2:06:21.200 so get the original forty five's reissued the same way mastered, 2:06:21.520 --> 2:06:23.920 you know, the same way, like the excitement of a 2:06:24.000 --> 2:06:26.640 new Prince forty five coming out, what's on the B side? 2:06:26.640 --> 2:06:29.600 That sort of thing. But even then, men like having. 2:06:30.160 --> 2:06:31.760 You know what, I would rather see that done with 2:06:31.840 --> 2:06:34.160 the new stuff that comes out like in the future, 2:06:34.360 --> 2:06:37.000 not the old stuff. Like see the new old stuff, 2:06:37.240 --> 2:06:39.360 get a new print song that I've never heard before 2:06:39.480 --> 2:06:41.240 on forty five with well yeah that too. 2:06:41.280 --> 2:06:43.880 I mean, you know, even the stuff that we have, like. 2:06:44.040 --> 2:06:46.200 I mean, I'm just saying, there's plenty of you stuff 2:06:46.200 --> 2:06:47.160 out in the world people. 2:06:47.280 --> 2:06:49.240 But you know, Prince didn't like the reason why he 2:06:49.280 --> 2:06:52.440 didn't like the digitized stuff was because of the compression 2:06:52.720 --> 2:06:54.360 and that it would lose the sound and that you 2:06:54.360 --> 2:06:57.400 couldn't hear certain sounds in certain tones, and so it 2:06:57.400 --> 2:07:00.600 didn't have the same life as a record does. 2:07:01.160 --> 2:07:05.280 Nowadays though you can stream lossless audio and it's so 2:07:05.360 --> 2:07:07.200 much easier to do then probably. 2:07:07.440 --> 2:07:09.120 Make a Neil Young poem joke. 2:07:10.640 --> 2:07:12.560 But the Jack White, the way he has his vault, 2:07:12.640 --> 2:07:14.960 like I subscribe to it, my son subscribes to it. 2:07:15.000 --> 2:07:17.280 Those things are amazing. Like every three months you get. 2:07:17.120 --> 2:07:20.360 A ridiculous box that you know, colored vital this that 2:07:20.560 --> 2:07:23.520 books that kind of stuff for guys like us, we 2:07:23.600 --> 2:07:23.840 like this. 2:07:24.040 --> 2:07:26.240 When Tower Records, is it Tower Records that was on 2:07:26.280 --> 2:07:29.240 the corner of something when that when that was going 2:07:29.240 --> 2:07:30.480 out of business Prinson want to buy it? 2:07:30.760 --> 2:07:31.440 You want to buy it? 2:07:31.440 --> 2:07:32.960 An open a record store there, and he's like, and 2:07:33.000 --> 2:07:34.720 I want you to write Oh no. 2:07:34.520 --> 2:07:37.800 No, no, no, call it recost. 2:07:38.640 --> 2:07:45.840 He wanted to do. Yeah. Well, he also wanted me 2:07:45.880 --> 2:07:48.080 to open a Caroline's out here and I was like, no, 2:07:48.480 --> 2:07:50.760 comedy club. Yeah, he was like, you could be like 2:07:50.840 --> 2:07:52.320 Caroline interesting. 2:07:55.160 --> 2:07:57.880 You know what for all the talk of like question 2:07:57.880 --> 2:08:00.760 you should be there and curat. I don't. 2:08:00.920 --> 2:08:03.120 I want to. I want to be a fan. 2:08:03.520 --> 2:08:08.080 I wanna you know when Records Store Day happens in April. 2:08:09.080 --> 2:08:11.280 I wanna you know. 2:08:11.360 --> 2:08:16.000 The feeling that I had hearing the that that, uh, 2:08:16.400 --> 2:08:20.960 the reissue of We Can Funk or whatever? Ye like, 2:08:21.240 --> 2:08:28.440 I knew that was the last time that I'd have 2:08:28.600 --> 2:08:30.840 that feeling I had when I was like eleven, like 2:08:31.600 --> 2:08:34.040 hearing the little Recorvette remix for the first time, Like 2:08:34.080 --> 2:08:34.760 what the hell is he. 2:08:34.960 --> 2:08:38.720 Like staring at the speaker. It's hard to please Prince Vance. 2:08:38.800 --> 2:08:42.400 I'll apologize to all the orgers and all the who 2:08:42.920 --> 2:08:45.720 what other chat room people and stuff. 2:08:45.480 --> 2:08:47.240 All the Facebook groups. 2:08:47.640 --> 2:08:50.240 I feel like there's there's no laying they are still around, 2:08:50.240 --> 2:08:54.640 an't they There's no there's no level of happiness. There's 2:08:54.760 --> 2:08:57.080 just like making them angry. 2:08:57.120 --> 2:08:57.840 The least. 2:08:59.160 --> 2:09:02.280 Class half half empty. Now my fans, just like you 2:09:02.320 --> 2:09:04.200 guys are pretty. 2:09:03.920 --> 2:09:06.400 Much I wonder I wonder about some of those people. 2:09:06.280 --> 2:09:08.160 At the at the end. 2:09:08.040 --> 2:09:11.480 Of the day, this is just just a step back, 2:09:11.560 --> 2:09:15.640 a conversation with with with friends, purple friends, nobody know nothing. 2:09:15.680 --> 2:09:19.360 I wanted to do that, Michael. I thank you guys 2:09:19.400 --> 2:09:21.160 for thank you. 2:09:21.720 --> 2:09:23.320 Thank you. Let me crash this. 2:09:23.440 --> 2:09:27.480 Wait a minute, wait, this is my PostScript, Ruth. Do 2:09:27.560 --> 2:09:31.960 you have a silly story anything like something super Yah? 2:09:32.760 --> 2:09:33.640 Yeah, I have got one. 2:09:33.840 --> 2:09:34.280 Just yeah. 2:09:34.600 --> 2:09:39.040 Speaking of being traffic yea. So one time the Princess 2:09:39.080 --> 2:09:41.440 driver couldn't pick him up from he was from here. No, 2:09:41.440 --> 2:09:43.200 it isn't from here. It was another studio on the 2:09:43.200 --> 2:09:46.320 West Side. He was editing the movie that we shall 2:09:46.360 --> 2:09:50.600 not speak of and movie shut up, oscar winning movie, 2:09:50.640 --> 2:09:53.320 and so I had a hoopie at the time. It 2:09:53.400 --> 2:09:58.600 was an infinity. It was like a nice in the No, 2:09:58.640 --> 2:10:00.600 it was an infinity. It was like he was like 2:10:00.720 --> 2:10:03.480 in two thousand and five, two thousand and six, and 2:10:03.920 --> 2:10:05.760 like I got it at a police action so that 2:10:06.000 --> 2:10:13.360 the front seats were ripped up. Good listen. It was 2:10:13.400 --> 2:10:15.400 on set. I'm like, I like to buy new youths. 2:10:15.440 --> 2:10:20.200 I am frugal with my money anyway. Stupid sometimes, but definitely. 2:10:20.280 --> 2:10:23.480 So I regardless, I was in the car and I 2:10:23.480 --> 2:10:25.560 was like, damn it, I'm in my car. He's gonna 2:10:25.560 --> 2:10:27.280 call my car. They looked nice from the outside, but 2:10:27.320 --> 2:10:28.640 once you said in it. So I go to the 2:10:28.680 --> 2:10:31.080 trunk and I had some Musicology T shirts in there, 2:10:31.480 --> 2:10:33.400 but this one had like it was like a prototype 2:10:33.480 --> 2:10:35.680 or whatever, and it had his face on it. And 2:10:35.720 --> 2:10:37.080 I'm like, I'll just put the T shirt on because 2:10:37.080 --> 2:10:38.720 I didn't want to slack. I knew what he was 2:10:38.720 --> 2:10:40.839 wearing that day, and he had like some silky slinky 2:10:40.840 --> 2:10:44.560 pants and they're like sky blue, and so I was like, oh, 2:10:44.600 --> 2:10:47.040 he's gonna get all He's gonna be mad if you 2:10:47.080 --> 2:10:48.920 get some snags. So let me put the T shirt on. 2:10:49.280 --> 2:10:50.520 So I go all the way to the west side 2:10:50.520 --> 2:10:54.840 in Santa Monica and I go and you know, where 2:10:54.840 --> 2:10:55.240 are you? 2:10:55.400 --> 2:10:55.480 Like? 2:10:55.520 --> 2:10:58.120 He's calling me and I'm like I'm driving and he's like, well, 2:10:58.160 --> 2:11:01.320 I'm ready now. I was like, dude, I'm like it's traffic. 2:11:01.680 --> 2:11:03.640 And I get there and he's standing there waiting for 2:11:03.680 --> 2:11:06.720 me person like sucking in his cheeks and pursing his lips. 2:11:07.320 --> 2:11:10.720 You know, it's just annoy that I was. No, it 2:11:10.800 --> 2:11:15.400 was somewhere in Santa Monica. I can't remember something it 2:11:15.440 --> 2:11:17.360 might have been. So I go and I pick him up, 2:11:17.480 --> 2:11:19.640 and you know, I don't get out of my car 2:11:19.680 --> 2:11:21.840 because it's like, you know, he just walks over to me, 2:11:22.200 --> 2:11:24.800 or he doesn't walk, and Prince never walks. He floats 2:11:24.880 --> 2:11:26.880 or flutters or whatever it is that he does. And 2:11:26.920 --> 2:11:28.720 then he sort of like appears in the seat. I 2:11:28.720 --> 2:11:31.600 never see him actually get in, and he looks at it. 2:11:31.800 --> 2:11:34.640 He looks at the seat and he sees the T 2:11:34.760 --> 2:11:35.920 shirt there, and I'm like, you have to sit on 2:11:35.960 --> 2:11:37.800 the T shirt because I don't want your clothes to snag. 2:11:38.280 --> 2:11:40.600 And he doesn't say anything. He starts scowling at me, 2:11:40.760 --> 2:11:43.440 and he's struggling with the seatbelts and I'm like, oh, 2:11:43.600 --> 2:11:45.240 and I'm gonna get the seatbelts. So I reach over 2:11:45.320 --> 2:11:48.680 like a child and I'm like him in. So I 2:11:48.680 --> 2:11:53.960 buckle him in the car. And then it's it's fresh 2:11:54.000 --> 2:11:56.280 hour traffic. It's like five o'clock in the afternoon, and 2:11:56.360 --> 2:11:58.520 he's sitting in there, and I could tell he's mad, 2:11:58.880 --> 2:12:00.480 and I just see him from like the side of 2:12:00.520 --> 2:12:04.320 my eyes is fingering the the phrase of the of 2:12:04.480 --> 2:12:08.440 the stretched open leather like a like a like pig's guts, 2:12:08.640 --> 2:12:10.720 you know. He's like just touching it. And he's like, 2:12:12.440 --> 2:12:16.880 why did not Stacy Snyder or Ali Shermer buy you 2:12:16.960 --> 2:12:19.880 a new car? And I'm like what. And he's like, 2:12:20.000 --> 2:12:22.040 why didn't your old bosses buy you a new car? 2:12:22.080 --> 2:12:24.760 And I'm like, that's that's that's none of how it works, Brince, 2:12:24.840 --> 2:12:28.080 like unless it's a company car, Like why would they? 2:12:28.120 --> 2:12:29.400 Why would they buy me a new car? 2:12:29.520 --> 2:12:30.960 And I was like, I won't you buy me a 2:12:31.000 --> 2:12:33.280 new car? And he's like, you shouldn't be riding around 2:12:33.280 --> 2:12:35.360 a car like this, and I'm like, why it runs? 2:12:36.080 --> 2:12:39.680 And he was like look around and we were like 2:12:39.760 --> 2:12:42.840 in you know, deadlock traffic, and he's like, do you 2:12:42.920 --> 2:12:45.960 think anyone would believe that Prince is in this car? 2:12:46.080 --> 2:12:46.200 Right? 2:12:50.240 --> 2:12:57.360 No, they were tinted, and so it was a long 2:12:57.520 --> 2:13:00.360 it's a long story, but it's a long ass trip 2:13:00.880 --> 2:13:05.120 back to freaking Beverly Hills or wherever he was staying out. 2:13:05.120 --> 2:13:07.240 He was standing at the Boozer House some stories at 2:13:07.240 --> 2:13:08.040 the Boozer House too. 2:13:08.840 --> 2:13:11.040 Did you ever get the car from him? 2:13:11.440 --> 2:13:13.520 No, but I did. I did end up getting and 2:13:13.520 --> 2:13:15.160 he's like when he when I dropped him off. I 2:13:15.200 --> 2:13:17.760 finally dropped him off, and he was like because he started, 2:13:17.800 --> 2:13:19.880 you know with there were people walking by, like he 2:13:19.920 --> 2:13:22.360 would taut people and he would like look at them, 2:13:22.400 --> 2:13:26.000 and people would double take because it was odd to 2:13:26.080 --> 2:13:29.560 see somebody like him and then look and then and 2:13:29.600 --> 2:13:31.160 then they would go back and be like, oh no, 2:13:31.160 --> 2:13:33.400 it's just something dude that looks He's like, see see 2:13:33.400 --> 2:13:38.720 nobody believes princes in the car, he would think, but 2:13:38.840 --> 2:13:42.480 there was something about it. But we had like there 2:13:42.560 --> 2:13:44.320 was another like they had a couple of car things, 2:13:44.360 --> 2:13:45.920 like there was one time that we were in the 2:13:45.920 --> 2:13:48.320 car with guy Siri and he rolls down the limo 2:13:48.400 --> 2:13:51.040 window because he's these kids in the car next to us. 2:13:51.040 --> 2:13:55.400 They're singing loud. They're like and he rolls down guys 2:13:55.400 --> 2:13:57.720 trying to talk. He has a meeting with him in 2:13:57.760 --> 2:14:00.919 the limo, and he rolls down the limo like halfway 2:14:00.960 --> 2:14:04.720 and it goes. He looks over them and he just goes. 2:14:04.920 --> 2:14:10.400 He puts a shush, but he doesn't say it. He 2:14:10.520 --> 2:14:11.280 just goes like this. 2:14:11.560 --> 2:14:21.839 The kids turn around and they go, oh wow. 2:14:21.760 --> 2:14:27.320 Guy Series talking to him like I couldn't stop. I 2:14:27.360 --> 2:14:28.080 started cracking out. 2:14:29.240 --> 2:14:32.400 Thank you. Well, that's a great note to end or. 2:14:33.720 --> 2:14:36.000 All Right, ladies and gentlemen, this is Quest Love signing 2:14:36.040 --> 2:14:37.600 off Quest Love Supreme. 2:14:37.760 --> 2:14:39.240 We will see you on the next go round. 2:14:39.520 --> 2:14:39.920 Thank you. 2:14:51.160 --> 2:14:54.480 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. This 2:14:54.520 --> 2:14:57.600 classic episode was produced by in the team at the Indor. 2:15:01.720 --> 2:15:06.480 For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 2:15:06.600 --> 2:15:08.280 or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.