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Speaker 1: I don't want people to think I think I'm cool

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, Bobby, here, my guest today is my friend

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Speaker 2: Luke Combs. He has another album coming out. It's a

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Speaker 2: six studio album. It's called The Way I Am, comes

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Speaker 2: out March twentieth. I hope you check it out. He

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Speaker 2: always puts out banger after banger. He's also going out

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Speaker 2: on a massive tour called the My Kind Of Saturday

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Speaker 2: Night Tour. We're talking stadiums all through North America Europe.

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Speaker 2: He's won at all eleven CMA is four ACMs. I

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Speaker 2: think he has twenty number ones in a row, which

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Speaker 2: is crazy. He's a grand old op. Remember he is

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Speaker 2: one of the biggest country artists of all time. And

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Speaker 2: here he is Luke Combs. Luke, good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Likewise, uh, thanks for the time. Do you come to

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Speaker 2: now feel much? I mean I live here like this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a little ways out. I'm not like really

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Speaker 2: Did you think I didn't know you lived here?

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Speaker 1: Kind of? Well, I mean it's been a couple of years,

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Speaker 2: You know, would you ever move back home?

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Speaker 1: No, because me and my parents live here now, you know.

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Speaker 1: So it's like everybody's down the road.

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Speaker 2: And when did they move here? Because that's a commitment.

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Speaker 1: They moved here a few months after we had our

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Speaker 2: Is that my in laws and we're about to have

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Speaker 2: My in laws live Oklahoma, so they're not that close.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, she punches me when I say that, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my in laws are My in laws are awesome too,

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Speaker 2: How far from school was your house?

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Speaker 2: What kind of kid were you at eight nine years old?

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Speaker 1: It was just chubby dude, just so that I was

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Speaker 2: Because of how the will was built, right.

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Speaker 1: Because it's a ball, they could just go and it

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Speaker 2: Have you ever flown in one of the I did

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Speaker 2: Right now, you didn't want to put the suit on,

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Speaker 1: It's the It's the hefty version of not being able

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Speaker 1: to be quite honest, because they just want you to

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Speaker 2: I hated it, but I'm glad I did it.

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Speaker 2: So what happens is because they hit this. You know,

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Speaker 1: See there's two. I have too much anxiety for that, dude,

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Speaker 2: In my mind, you're the one that dies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the guy that dies in that in that scenario.

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Speaker 2: You posted a picture of you playing your first ever show.

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Speaker 2: I think it was in Boone, North Carolina. We talked

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, I mean yeah, it's true. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean first Yeah, I mean really first

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Speaker 1: I mean my whole life. So it wasn't like anything

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Speaker 2: Oh you weren't like super nervous, like this is my

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, No. I was more excited because I was

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Speaker 2: Whenever you play that first show, are you playing any

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't you know, I don't have

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Speaker 1: I'm def I'm just doing it's ninety nine percent covers.

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Speaker 1: If I did an original, it was one or two max,

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Speaker 2: What inspired you to do that show? Then? Were you

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Speaker 1: Not? In college? I was in an a capella group

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Speaker 1: But then by the time by the time I do

437
00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,280
Speaker 1: the show, like I had been playing for people in

438
00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,919
Speaker 1: my living room, like at like pares and stuff. Not

439
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,159
Speaker 1: in an official capacity, but just like there's a guitar

440
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,080
Speaker 1: around and you start messing with it and people are

441
00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,439
Speaker 1: like play play Cruise or you know, like whatever. That

442
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:10,919
Speaker 1: was a big song at the time. That was my

443
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,200
Speaker 1: big closer. Cruise was bad.

444
00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:14,720
Speaker 2: I was like my core.

445
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like everybody wanted to hear it.

446
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,440
Speaker 2: Were You're getting a lot of affirmation when you're playing

447
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 2: at these houses and for people and they're confused, is

448
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,040
Speaker 2: why you're not trying it?

449
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's like I I basically at that time,

450
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 1: like I knew I was a good singer, Like I

451
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,080
Speaker 1: knew that, and I was confident in that, and so

452
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,280
Speaker 1: it was just like I feel I felt like, well, man,

453
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 1: if I play for people, they're gonna like it. I think,

454
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 1: you know. It wasn't like like an arrogance thing. It

455
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,600
Speaker 1: was more just confident, like I was never wondering if

456
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 1: like I wonder if people will like this. It was like, man,

457
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,439
Speaker 1: all I gotta do is put myself out there, and

458
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,320
Speaker 1: I think people will like this, you know, and I

459
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,600
Speaker 1: think it would be to the extent that it is now.

460
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 1: But you know it, I mean it worked. You know.

461
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,200
Speaker 2: What was the first thing you posted online?

462
00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,880
Speaker 1: The first video I ever posted, like doing music?

463
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and was it successful?

464
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: It was probably on like Facebook, it probably doesn't even

465
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 1: exist anymore, but I would make them in like the app,

466
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 1: like the Apple Studio thing like on my iMac.

467
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 2: Is that like rock band or something like that or

468
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:13,360
Speaker 2: the band or whatever.

469
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was like there was like one it's

470
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 1: called iMovie.

471
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 2: I think, oh yeah, yeah, I movie and it was

472
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:18,120
Speaker 2: on all of them.

473
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 1: And like my laptop had a webcam because like at

474
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 1: that time, cell phones didn't even have good enough cameras

475
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 1: to do that stuff. Now you're just filming on your phone.

476
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 1: But back then I would like set my laptop up,

477
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 1: going to iMovie and then would just record myself like

478
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,479
Speaker 1: sitting in my room. So probably stuff like that on

479
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,919
Speaker 1: Facebook was probably the first stuff. I'm not certain what

480
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 1: the first song would have been, but Chriz some probably

481
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 1: something like that probably, or like Luke Bryan stuff probably

482
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 1: or an al Dean song or something. But I didn't man,

483
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 1: I was doing all kinds of stuff, man, just it

484
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 1: didn't know it didn't go well. I wasn't like I

485
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: was posting it and getting like hundreds of likes. It

486
00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 1: would just be like my friends would se like, oh, yeah,

487
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,120
Speaker 1: this guy sings. I know that.

488
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 2: So your story isn't post a video, go super viral

489
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 2: and build that way.

490
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 1: No, your story is what it ended up being that.

491
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: It ended up becoming that over time. But it wasn't

492
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 1: like I posted one video and people were like, this

493
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: guy's so good. It was just like, well, here's another

494
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 1: guy posted himself singing on the internet, which I mean,

495
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 1: now there's a bajillion people doing that. It was a

496
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 1: little bit rarer at that time, but still pretty prevalent.

497
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 1: And so that did become kind of how I ended

498
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: up getting success here was because I was one of

499
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,959
Speaker 1: the first guys that like built their own thing and

500
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: then brought it to town, as opposed to like the

501
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: just moved to town and like figure it all out.

502
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: Was that your plan? Did you want to bild it

503
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: or did it at a time with school?

504
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 1: Yeah? Just it just organically happened. Like I just I

505
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: just constantly posted stuff like covers and and as I

506
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: gained more and more of a following, I wasn't thinking

507
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: to myself like man, this is like this is powerful

508
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 1: to have your own audience and get built in engagement.

509
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: I just didn't think. I wasn't processing it that way.

510
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, this is a great way

511
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: for me to like market myself for my live shows. Really,

512
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: I was thinking of it as like, well, maybe I

513
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: could go to like there's obviously a lot of people

514
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 1: in different towns that are following me now, you know,

515
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: So I could go to Raleigh or Greenville, South Carolina,

516
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: or you know, and play a show and maybe people

517
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 1: will come to the show. Because then I was so

518
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: locked in on like playing shows was the thing for

519
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: me at that time that I was like, this is

520
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: what I need to be doing.

521
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: Was there a first out of town show that you

522
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: were a little nervous about just because you had never

523
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: played in a different town.

524
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, we played a lot like I did play a

525
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 1: lot in like Charlotte, so I would go Like that

526
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: summer I moved in with my grandma. She was living

527
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: in Huntersville, which is just outside of Charlotte, the town

528
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,239
Speaker 1: I was born in, and she was living in an

529
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: apartment and she let me move in the bedroom upstairs.

530
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: Especially like all my cousins lived with my grandmother. At

531
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: one point, it was just like we'll just moving with Grandma,

532
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: and She's like let us hang out drink or she's

533
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: not like staying up late, like what are you doing?

534
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean kind of thing. So and

535
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: she was, I mean, she's the sweetest dude. She's still

536
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: alive and she's great. But I would go there and

537
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: then basically all I did all summer was I didn't

538
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: I didn't have to have a job that summer because

539
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: I was making enough doing my shows in Boone and

540
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: stuff to be able to not have to work. So

541
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: I figured that was my first step into like quote

542
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: unquote building a new market. Like I wasn't thinking of

543
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: it that way, but that's what I was unintentionally doing.

544
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: Is like I went there, lived there that summer, and

545
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: basically I would get online and just figure out when

546
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: all the open mic nights were in Charlotte for anything,

547
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,719
Speaker 1: like just some of them were like you could come

548
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: to stand up or anything. Some of them were strictly music.

549
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 2: You would go play it open mics.

550
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I would go. I mean that's

551
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: what I was doing any night. So like probably there

552
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: wasn't one every night, but probably four or five nights

553
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: I was doing that. And then as the summer went on,

554
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: like I would do good enough at some of these

555
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: open mics where they'd be like, would you come play

556
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: here on Wednesday night for an hour or two? And

557
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: I'd be like sure, And then I would make you know,

558
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: two hundred bucks doing that. And then I would drive

559
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: up to Boone do a couple gigs. Those are my

560
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 1: big money gigs. You know, it could make like guaranteed

561
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: three hundred bucks or something playing one of those. So

562
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: I'd drive back up the mountain play a couple nights

563
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: in Boone so I wouldn't have to work come back

564
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: to Charlotte. And then I met a lot of different

565
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: bar owners and stuff, just through Some owner of a

566
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: bar would say, Hey, this guy played here. I think

567
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: he's really good. You should book him at your bar too,

568
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: And they'd put me in touch with some other guy

569
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: that I would call, and then maybe that show was

570
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: in Winston Salem or something. So I just continually like

571
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: push further east into the state, and then further west,

572
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: like into East Tennessee and stuff, and a little bit

573
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: south into like South Carolina, Columbia, that kind of stuff.

574
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: But I did that for I mean two and a

575
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: half years and just slowly built out, like pretty soon

576
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: I was playing in Georgia like North Georgia and Atlanta,

577
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: had some gigs in Atlanta bars, and just kind of

578
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was doing anything good. I just

579
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: figured out that this was what everyone does.

580
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: Was it a strategy to grow or was it a

581
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: strategy just to play music and exist?

582
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: Yeah? Pretty much it was a strategy because like I

583
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: never really knew what I wanted to do with my life.

584
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: Even in college. It was like it was never like

585
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: like blatantly obvious what I was cut out to do,

586
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: which is weird to say now because I'd been singing forever.

587
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: But once I picked the guitar up, man, I knew, like,

588
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: this is what I'm supposed to do. Did I ever

589
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: have any dreams of becoming like a big superstar. No,

590
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: cause again I'm going back to like that blue collar

591
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: mindset of well that just doesn't happen to people. So

592
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: I'll just be fine, like I'm making enough money, paying

593
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: all my bills, don't have to work. If that's it,

594
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: then I'm happy with that, And that would be fine.

595
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: If that was how it was forever, I would have

596
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: true really been happy doing that. And so I kind

597
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: of set myself up for success because there was never

598
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: any There was never any like failure. I never viewed

599
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: myself as being able to fail because I had already

600
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: achieved what I wanted to achieve, which was sustaining myself

601
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: on my own without help from anyone else and just

602
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: playing shows. I could have lived the rest of my

603
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: life that way if.

604
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to, so everything with house money.

605
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was like basically, it's like

606
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: you go to a casino and they're like, here's ten

607
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and you're like, oh, perfect, I'll never blow

608
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: this because I'll spend a dollar at a time.

609
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: You know, that's not how you do it in real

610
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: life though, right dollar at a time.

611
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even gamble at all. You don't,

612
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't sports bet. No, if you're not a casino guy,

613
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: I like, I like playing roulette, but I don't. I

614
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: don't do it, Like I'm not a guy. That's like

615
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: I could go to Vegas and not go in a

616
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: casino and be like, cool, is.

617
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: It because you've had your casino time?

618
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: No, I mean I've got I've the most money I've

619
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: probably ever lost in a casino is less than five

620
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Wow.

621
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: See, I don't really, I just don't get it.

622
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: It doesn't do anything for me.

623
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: I went hard, yeah, and now I don't do it anymore. Yeah,

624
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: that's why I don't do it anymore.

625
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: It just never because I could never get out of

626
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: the mindset of well, I'm just burning this money, it's

627
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: just going away. Nobody show me a guy that comes

628
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: out on top. No, none, there isn't one. Yeah, there

629
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: isn't a guy.

630
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: No, there's not. And if there is a guy, he's lying.

631
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. I won so much, I get But how much

632
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: did you lose?

633
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

634
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: Exactly. My dad always tells me about a guy that

635
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: he worked with. It was like his boss when he

636
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: worked at the maintenance at the college there in Nashville,

637
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: and he would always be like, dude, I won thousand

638
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: bucks on this scratch off or whatever. And he's like, dude,

639
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: he had one of those you know, those little like

640
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: metal spikes that they put receipts on a restaurants. He

641
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: was like, he had one of those in his desk

642
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: and it was this high with just losing. All he

643
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: would say is like, dude, I want two hundred bucks

644
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: on scratch offs this week. And he was like, well, yeah,

645
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: but what did you spend, Like, did you spend five

646
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: hundred dollars because it doesn't really count.

647
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I spend four thousand dollars to hit that one.

648
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: It's like, man, how do we get in the casino business?

649
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: It's the best business in the world to be in.

650
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: You ever play casinos?

651
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, a bunch of radio stuff.

652
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 2: I like where they pay you up because any a

653
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: couple once or twice, they pay so good.

654
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: I would did one time. I can't remember what casino was.

655
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: They were always fun. They're kind of hard to like.

656
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: And this is gonna be a weird way of saying this,

657
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: and I'll probably say it wrong, but like, a casino

658
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: is a hard place to be famous at.

659
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: Because everybody's there for a different reason.

660
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: Well, if I'm playing a show, everyone's staying at the casino,

661
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: So it's not like I can just walk in and

662
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: sit at the poker like I got in there.

663
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: They're they're all there.

664
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: And they know so like, you can't even really go

665
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: in there and do the thing anyways, And then if

666
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: you do, they're like, well, we could get you a

667
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: private table, but it's you got to it's a thousand

668
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: dollars a hand to get a private then I'm like,

669
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm not that's a total waste. So I remember one

670
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: time I got, you know, because I feel like one

671
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: of the big things at the casinos. And it's cool, man,

672
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: if that's what you're into, and I appreciate it, but

673
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: it's like they're like, well, we'll give you a marker, dude.

674
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: And one of the casinos, it was like part of

675
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: the payment was like I remember, they'd be like, we'll

676
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: give you ten thousand dollars marker, and I'm like, how

677
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: about you just give me ten thousand dollars and they

678
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: were like they were like, well, we can't do that,

679
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what do you mean you can't, Like

680
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: you're already paying me x amount, so just add ten

681
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: thousand dollars todent, don't give me the chips. And they're like, well,

682
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: we can either like give you the chips or not.

683
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, perfect, took the chips, walked in, sat down

684
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 1: at the roulette table, and bet the max bet on

685
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: red or black every time, and then just took what

686
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: I made and walked out. Because it was basically get

687
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars or nothing. So I'm like, well, at

688
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: least could get maybe five thousand dollars of this something.

689
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: I walked out with like seven grand. But I was like,

690
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get caught up in the trap of

691
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: like we'll give you ten thousand bucks, you lose it

692
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: all and then you're like, what, maybe I'll just stay

693
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: in here and I'm having a good time.

694
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: I mean that's what. Yeah.

695
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's not that I'm like overtly smart, it's

696
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: just gambling doesn't do anything for me. I just don't

697
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: get the I don't get the whatever the rush people get.

698
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: I just don't get it.

699
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: I don't know why the pleasure center of your brain

700
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: does not go off whenever for.

701
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: That, for that thing. No, you throw down a bag

702
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: of taco bell in front of me or it's in trouble.

703
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: But because gambling thing is not.

704
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: What about buying stuff when you started to make money,

705
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: did you buy like guitars or.

706
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: Guitars and watches are my thing that I'm into. Really,

707
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: the guitars have slowed down because it's a space issue,

708
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: like where do you keep all these guitars? You know,

709
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: I've probably got like i'd say probably like twenty guitars, which,

710
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: in the terms of a guitar guy, is not really

711
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: even a lot.

712
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: Do you play them all or do you have any

713
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: of that just sit and you want to look at it.

714
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: There's some that sit that they've all been played, for sure.

715
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm not a guy that like, I don't have any

716
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: like guitars where I'm like, well, don't ever touch it,

717
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's like a sacred thing. I

718
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: had one like that, and I donated it to the

719
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Country Music Hall of Fame, but that was not bought

720
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: for like the intent of playing it, you know, and it.

721
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: Was anonymous until now. So thank you for that too.

722
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're getting me on this man watches?

723
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, was that something because I had got into watches too.

724
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

725
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: I never knew watches, so I had no doubt. It

726
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 2: was just like, wow, this is kind of cool and

727
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: I can afford it now, And I think I just

728
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: wanted to afford something.

729
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: I think it starts. It starts that way, for sure.

730
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: It started that way for me. The bug was like

731
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: my grandfather worked at the mill by the way, and

732
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: he worked there for a long time and when he

733
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: retired he got a really nice watch. I got a

734
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: role X and he was always like real proud of

735
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: like it just signified this big achievement for him. And

736
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: so when I bought my first watch, that was kind

737
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: of the reasoning, like that's where it began. And then

738
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: it was like, man, I can't believe, Like I never

739
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: thought I would get to the point where I could

740
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: afford something like this. And then that's the reason for

741
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: a couple of watches. And then it just became like, man,

742
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: now I really like these and now.

743
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: I'm learning about them more.

744
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, now this is really cool, Like

745
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: it's this insanely precise craftsmanship, Like I don't know, Like

746
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: to me, it's like it's cooler. Then it's like buying

747
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: something you can wear, and then I don't know, it's like, yeah,

748
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a deep dark hole though,

749
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: the watch thing. It's bad.

750
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: Man. I had to pull myself out a little bit.

751
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: It's it's scary, dude.

752
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: The two things that I had never seen were actual

753
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: rolex or cocaine.

754
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've never seen.

755
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: Seen cocaine X. The first one I ever saw is

756
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: one I bought.

757
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: You'd think in the entertainment business that like people would

758
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: just everywhere, like someone's someone's off.

759
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: Screen right now doing it on the side of the camera, someone's.

760
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: In here right now.

761
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: Just I've never never seen either.

762
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: And I think people know when they meet me, they're like,

763
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: this guy's not cool for cocaine, Like this guy not

764
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: a cocaine guy's not cool enough, and so they're like,

765
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: let's go to the cool guy room and do the

766
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: cocaine and then we'll come back and he'll just think

767
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: we're we have adh. We're just said by energy guys,

768
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: you know.

769
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: What do you think does? What's real though about being

770
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: famous that? Because right my perception too is in entertainment,

771
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: everybody's doing drugs everywhere, and that's really not it.

772
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: It's not it.

773
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: It's not really unless you're like, are welcoming yourself to

774
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: that and you're inviting It's like there's.

775
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: Different crowds, Like there's obviously people who are doing that somewhere,

776
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: and if you're in that crowd, it's probably really prevalent.

777
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: And you think everyone that's famous does drugs.

778
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

779
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: Bobby Cast.

780
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: What happens that we don't see whenever you are super

781
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: famous that now you've been exposed to.

782
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: I think it makes your life really convenient, and it

783
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: makes your life really inconvenient.

784
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: Do convenience first.

785
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: Convenience is obviously the ability and the financial freedom to

786
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 1: like travel the way that you want to travel, stay

787
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: at the places you want to stay, have access to

788
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: things that other people wouldn't have access to, i e.

789
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: Like tickets to sporting events, and like people want you

790
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: to go to stuff and be it stuff and that

791
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: is a really cool thing. It's really it's really great.

792
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: The inconvenience is just like the obvious, like people following

793
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: you to your house, or people trying to figure out

794
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: where you're staying so they can get a bunch of

795
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: autographs from you and sell them or what like, there's

796
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: all these things like you are never you always feel

797
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: like someone's looking at you all the time when I'm anywhere,

798
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: And it's not like it not like in a fear way,

799
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: but just kind of like it's weird to say doing

800
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: what I do that I really don't like to be

801
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: the center of attention that much, especially when I'm outside

802
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: of my job parameters, Like I don't want people to

803
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: think that I think I'm cool or famous, like I'm

804
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: aware of it, but it's not something that I take

805
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: a lot of stock in, Like it doesn't provide me

806
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: with a lot of like like mental fulfillment. Yeah, Like

807
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm not like I'm famous, and that is like I

808
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: don't derive any of my self worth from being famous,

809
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: Like I try to derive my self worth from like

810
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: being a good friend, or like being good to the

811
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: people that work for me, and being kind to people

812
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: that like at the venues we play at, or being

813
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: nice to fans in public. Like that's where I derive

814
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: a lot of my self worth from, is like just

815
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: maintaining like with just being a trying to be a

816
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: good person I think is important to me, and trying

817
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: to be kind to people and going out of my

818
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: way to do nice things for people and giving back

819
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: to people. I feel like is I and fame has

820
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: allowed me to do that on a greater level than

821
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: I could have ever been able to do that. So

822
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: very thankful for that part of it, you know. But

823
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: you just kind of like sometimes you're out and you're

824
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: just like I feel like everyone's like I'm kind of

825
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: embarrassed because I like everyone's looking at me. Did you

826
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: ever get caught up in it early, not not really no,

827
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: because it happened so fast. There was like you almost

828
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: like like I didn't have any free time. There was

829
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: no like like it hasn't gotten like really like really

830
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: convenient until like the last two years. And now I've

831
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: got kids, so I've got that going on, so it's

832
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: like it's never been like, oh man, I think I'm awesome,

833
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: and it's like, I mean, we were riding the high

834
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: of like the success in the sense of like there

835
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: was a lot of pride of like I can't believe

836
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: I've achieved this, and I'm very proud of achieving it,

837
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna stop and I would like to

838
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: continue to keep you know, climb and seeing where we

839
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: can it to. So that part of it, certainly, but

840
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: I didn't ever want it to like I don't know,

841
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: I just feel like the way I am with my

842
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: friends and my family and stuff, like they would just

843
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: have never let me get to that point, you know,

844
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to get to that point anyways,

845
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: like of being this like big egotistical guy, like my

846
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: my friends would have like they would have just quit

847
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: being friends with me if I got to that point.

848
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: So it would have become like blatantly obvious. I think

849
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: at this point, if that had ever happened.

850
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna this is my opinion, there's a

851
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: tier in current country music, and I'm gonna eliminate all

852
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: the greats. I'm gonna I'm gonna take the guarths out,

853
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: so they're out. But there's there's a tier in that

854
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: top tier in my opinion, is you and Wallin and

855
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: Zach Bryan for multiple reasons. Sure streaming success Number one's

856
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: U touring success, right, you guys are doing stadiums. Sure

857
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: does somebody like you still compare yourself to other people.

858
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: I don't think musically really ever, Like I'm not like, well,

859
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: I need my stuff to send where like this guy's

860
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: or that guys. Obviously you're aware of other people's success

861
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: just because, like I felk, my team is more obsessed

862
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: with it than I am. And I don't think that's

863
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing, but it's not something I ever

864
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: try to get caught up in, Like I really want

865
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: to try to run my own race. You know, I

866
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: can be nothing but happy for anyone else having success

867
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: to me, like it's so rare to achieve and it's

868
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: like the first time there's I mean there's been two

869
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: stadium acts and country music history before right now Chesney

870
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: and Garth. That's really it on a consistent basis. So

871
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: to have three guys doing it at one time, it

872
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: speaks to the the you know, the overall health of

873
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: the genre. It's like it's it's you know, it's in

874
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: a better place than it's ever been in, and it's

875
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: been in some really great places in the past. So

876
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 1: I feel lucky to be a part of that. And

877
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: it's I think for me, I joke about that stuff

878
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: more than take it seriously. Like I remember thinking like, man, I,

879
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: you know, put out this one's for you and it

880
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: ties Shanaia's record for the longest number one, and then

881
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: Morgan puts his album out and beats it, and it's like,

882
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: you know what happens, But it's like, what's that. It

883
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: doesn't really change anything for me. And then like there

884
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: was like there was like six months where I was

885
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: the best selling country artist of all time and then

886
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: it was Morgan.

887
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: Like shortly afterwards.

888
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: So it's like it's never going to like it never stops,

889
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I just like I just feel

890
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: like it's a waste of time to worry about that stuff.

891
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: Man Like, I have so much good stuff going on.

892
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: I have no like need to be the biggest or

893
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: best guy that's ever done it, or like the most tickets,

894
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: or I just feel like you're missing the whole point

895
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: of it.

896
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: What's the point of it.

897
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: The point of it is like to enjoy it, like

898
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: to look back on your life and say, man, like,

899
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: we did that, We accomplished it in a way we

900
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: felt good about. We were good to people that we

901
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: met along the way. And I've lived a great fulfilling

902
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: life that was full of career success but also full

903
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: of time spent with my kids and time spent with

904
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: my friends and enjoying the things that I want to

905
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: enjoy and enjoying kind of like the spoils of war,

906
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: like getting to like go sit courtside at a Lakers game.

907
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: Like I don't take that stuff for granted. It's so

908
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: cool to be able to get to do that, and

909
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: it's something I never would have been able to do,

910
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: you know, in the past. And so just that's what

911
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: it is. Man Like, if we're calling in the trappings

912
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: of like who's the biggest this and I'm the best that, like,

913
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: are you even really enjoying? Are you what are you

914
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: even doing it for? If that's why you're doing it,

915
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: why are you even doing it? Really?

916
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: Do you need a break ever creatively to get creative again?

917
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: Oh? Big time? Yeah, I think it can become. I

918
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: feel like right now, I'm like, I want to write

919
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: more than I ever have, and I've got an album

920
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: coming out in March just because i haven't had time

921
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: to Like, I love I love writing on stuff and

922
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: writing stuff for my records. And it's an interesting segue.

923
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: I know you have the segment where you bring a

924
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: record and I was going to talk about this at

925
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: some point.

926
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: Well, let's do it now.

927
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this yeah pick it up record? Yeah? Is

928
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: Willie Nelson start us? I don't you know you may

929
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: be familiar with this record and it's Willy's most successful

930
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: record of all time. Okay, And Willie Nelson, I think

931
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: we can all agree, is one of the best songwriters

932
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: in the history of country music.

933
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: Right.

934
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: This is his most successful abum he's ever had, and

935
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: it's the only album that he didn't write any songs

936
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: on and he did that intentionally. And this album that

937
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm about to put out. Is this the album that

938
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: I've written the least songs on. I still wrote a lot,

939
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: but there's not many that were like my idea from inception.

940
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: A lot of them were ideas or starts that came

941
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: from my buddies, and then some of them are songs

942
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: that I didn't write on at all. And I loved

943
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: this record when I I was listening to this in

944
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: my college apartment, when I first got a vinyl player,

945
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: and I was first going back and listening to all

946
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: these records I had never been exposed to and wanted

947
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: to hear. This was an album that I really gravitated towards.

948
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: And it's a super moody, like slow record, like very

949
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: kind of like spacey, like very light production. And at

950
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: the time I didn't I just assumed he wrote all

951
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: those songs. I wasn't even like. I didn't even know

952
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: that artists didn't write their own songs at that time.

953
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: And then when I found that out a couple of

954
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: years after listening to this, I still didn't go back

955
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: and reference this. I wasn't like, well, I wonder if

956
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: Willy wrote that stuff like it. As I've done my research,

957
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, Willy writes everything, you know, he

958
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: just does. And then when I found out that he

959
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: didn't write this record, I was like, well, maybe this

960
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: is a lesson to myself that, like, you don't have

961
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: to write everything. And like some of my favorite songs

962
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: on this record I didn't write. I didn't write the

963
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: title track to this record, I Am the Way I

964
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: Am y yeahah, I didn't write that song. I just

965
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: tease the song a week or two ago called b BYU.

966
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: I didn't write that song. And those are some of

967
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: my favorite songs on the record. And some of it

968
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: was out of necessity from a time standpoint of just

969
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: trying to be home with the kids more and trying

970
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: to be present with my wife and like being there

971
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: for my family while also doing the you know, going

972
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: playing these crazy festivals last year and making this record,

973
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: and some of it was out of necessity, but some

974
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: of it was also out of like letting go of

975
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: like the need, like maybe there was this egotistical need

976
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: of like, well, I feel like I need to write

977
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: my songs because that adds something to my thing. And

978
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: I think that it does sometimes, you know, it doesn't always,

979
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: and you know, but I do think that sometimes like

980
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: I want people to know. It wasn't ever the It

981
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: wasn't ever the thought of look how smart of a

982
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: guy I am, or look how good I am at

983
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: writing the stuff. It was more like I wanted people

984
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: to know that I'm like putting the work in like that.

985
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not that. That was my thinking at

986
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: the times, like, well, I'm not just phoning this in,

987
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: like I'm putting the work in, like I'm in the

988
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: you know, I'm in the shit, like doing the thing.

989
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you got you're so confident that

990
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: you're now able to do that? Because I feel like

991
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: there are two reasons you would do it, one of

992
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 2: them as being you're so confident now that you think,

993
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: Dann what it is to be a good songwriter.

994
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and knowing that there's a lot better songwriters than you,

995
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: and that some of those people are your friends and

996
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: some of those are people you don't know, and it's

997
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: like and that's okay, you know what I mean, Like

998
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm never going to be the best songwriter in the world.

999
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: It's just never gonna happen, you know, And that's okay,

1000
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: you know, And but just knowing like you can do

1001
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: both like it's not it's not some big statement on

1002
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: like who you are as a guy or anything that

1003
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: I didn't write some of these songs, and you know,

1004
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: I didn't write a couple of songs on followers and

1005
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: sons too, And that's the most personal record I've ever made,

1006
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: you know, And I think there's magic in that too,

1007
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: Like getting to listen to those songs for that record,

1008
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: for this record, like it was something I'd never gotten

1009
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: to do before. Like I've never gotten to sit down

1010
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: and listen to a bunch of songs and be like, man, wow,

1011
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: I would have never had this idea or this is

1012
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: something I never would have a direction I never would

1013
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: have went, whether it's lyrically or melodically or you know,

1014
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: it's just cool getting to do that. You just get

1015
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: to it opens up a whole new thing. And I've

1016
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: I've always had so much respect for songwriters because I

1017
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: loved writing my stuff. I loved writing it with people.

1018
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: I love being a part of that process. I feel

1019
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: like they're underappreciated, underrepresented in our space. And so this

1020
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: was another way of just like digging into that, you know,

1021
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: into that mindset of you know, these people are great

1022
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: man and they're I mean, a lot of the best

1023
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: songwriters in the world live in this town, you know.

1024
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: If not, I mean most most of the best songwriters

1025
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: in the world live here.

1026
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: Give me some advice. I'm by to tell my first kid.

1027
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: Yep.

1028
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I don't even know. It's like, just oh.

1029
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: Gosh, it don't you just don't. This is gonna be

1030
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: so weird to say, but just and this is it's

1031
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: it's the absolute antithesis of like what you should do.

1032
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: But just I just don't worry about it, man, Like

1033
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't really control it. I think it's

1034
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: gonna Yeah, it's just gonna be It's gonna be chaos.

1035
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna a polar shift of your entire life.

1036
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: Everybody says that, but until your experience, I don't think

1037
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: you can understand.

1038
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: I don't can't.

1039
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 2: I don't understand that.

1040
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: You're never ready. You're not going to be ready. You'll

1041
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: be ready when it happens because you'll just have been.

1042
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like this is a stark comparison, but like

1043
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: a soldier is never ready for war, and it's not

1044
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: the same thing, obviously, but like that's the only metaphor

1045
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: I can come up with like you're never ready to

1046
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: do that until you're there, and then you've done it,

1047
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, I guess I can do

1048
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: this because I kind of have to. And like when

1049
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: you have the kid, it's like you gotta go and

1050
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: there's no other choice, Like the kid can't do anything

1051
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: for it, Like your baby can't do anything for itself.

1052
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: I would say my biggest piece of advice is like

1053
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: the baby, the baby with the infant that comes out,

1054
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: it does not need you in any way. Your wife

1055
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: needs you a lot though, got it. Your wife is

1056
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna be so tired, it's gonna be so exhausting because

1057
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: she's going through the same thing you're going through, but

1058
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: in it there's also a physical element for her, Like

1059
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: her body is gonna be completely different after this thing,

1060
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be like she's never experienced that before,

1061
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: and she's gonna be dealing with all these new emotions

1062
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be going through all these things. So

1063
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: helping her and like helping her through it and doing

1064
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: everything to make her life as comfortable and easy as

1065
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: it can be through that process, to me, is the

1066
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: most benefit that you can be for the child because

1067
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: the child needs your wife. It does not need you.

1068
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: It needs you to help the wife so she can

1069
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: help the baby. You know, obviously you're gonna hold it

1070
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: and feed it and be around. Obvious, that's obvious, but

1071
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: like it really benefits from that relationship with her in

1072
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: those formative months. And she's gonna need a lot of support. Man.

1073
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: She's gonna be really tired and stressed and not getting

1074
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: enough sleep and you're not gonna be getting good sleep.

1075
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: And you just got to be a team. Dude. You

1076
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: just can't, like you can't ever like lash out at

1077
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: each other because it's like they're You're not. It's not

1078
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: it's not you versus the baby or you versus your wife.

1079
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: Like this is the new team. The new team has

1080
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: three players on it now, and it's like how do

1081
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: we how do we dish the ball? Like to the

1082
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: new teammate, like how do we how do we get

1083
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: everybody involved? And that's your role, Like you're basically point guard.

1084
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: Don't ever shoot, just pass, you.

1085
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Like just set everybody.

1086
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: Else, set everybody up for success, man, you know what

1087
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean? Like you're John Stockton out there, man, Like, no,

1088
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: you don't need you gotta give me.

1089
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: A white guy. Am I that white? Or you can

1090
00:48:59,040 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: you can't give.

1091
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you're magic, Okay, you know what I mean?

1092
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: Fair enough?

1093
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, you just gotta That's the thing is

1094
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: you gotta. You just gotta be there, like you're a

1095
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: support player. Basically, you're an offensive lineman. You're not ever

1096
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: gonna score a touchdown. You're not ever gonna run the

1097
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: ball for eighty yards like you just got you got

1098
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: to help the people that are doing that do it,

1099
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And the only other person

1100
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 1: doing it's your wife. So you just got a block

1101
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: for basically.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

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00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: The new record that's coming out. How many songs do

1105
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: you record? How many end up making it?

1106
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: I recorded forty and twenty two ended up making it.

1107
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: We're the other eighteen sitting room. Will they ever be heard? Probably, yes,

1108
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: in some capacity. Not all of them, but I think

1109
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: some of them will certainly, and it could just I mean,

1110
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: Sleepless in a hotel Room is on the record, and

1111
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: it's a song I wrote years ago that I didn't

1112
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: think it was the right time to put out because

1113
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 1: it was too like thematically close to some other things

1114
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: I felt like we had already had and so it's like,

1115
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: maybe it just needs room to breathe. And never in

1116
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: my mind was like, oh, I'll definitely come back to it.

1117
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: But I was like, I knew it was a good song.

1118
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: I knew I loved it. I had put out an

1119
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: acoustic version and people liked it. It wasn't like my

1120
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: most viral It wasn't like a no brainer at the

1121
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: time I put it out. But things change over time,

1122
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, And so I think these songs that didn't

1123
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: ultimately didn't make the record could be in the same place.

1124
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: You know. There's one song on the record that didn't

1125
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: make the Fathers and Sons record because I thought the

1126
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: production of it in the way that we had kind

1127
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: of I had first heard it and then finished writing

1128
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: it was almost like too cool for the Followers and

1129
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: Sons record, you know. It was too like the Followers

1130
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: and Sons records, really acoustic driven. It's broken down. We

1131
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: cut it live, and I was like, well, this song

1132
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: is never going to work on this record, even though

1133
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: it would thematically it's like the perfect song for that record.

1134
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: But it needed the production that it had with it

1135
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: to get to where it needed to go. So it's like, well,

1136
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: you just wait on it and have it in the

1137
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: back of your mind and when the record comes around,

1138
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: we'll record it and if it's great, we'll put it

1139
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: on there, and if it doesn't, then it's in the

1140
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: same place it is now. It doesn't mean that any

1141
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: song is dead. I mean I've come back and cut

1142
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: stuff from years back. I mean, I've done that a

1143
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: bunch of times. You know, it's just got to be

1144
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: the right time and fit on the record in the

1145
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: right way.

1146
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: To me, did you ever go to a concert, especially

1147
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: early on, and it changed you from watching a live like.

1148
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my first concert was Vince Gill, like

1149
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: ninety six. I was six years old. That was definitely like, whoa,

1150
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: this is really cool. He was my favorite artist, you know,

1151
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: and that. But the light bulb didn't go off there

1152
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: because you're you know, but you're like, wow, this is

1153
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: like really cool, man, Like this is people are here

1154
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: watching this. I come to see this guy's really neat.

1155
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: But the one for me was as Asheville Civic Center.

1156
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: It was Death Cab for Cutie opening for Pearl Jam

1157
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: at Ashville Civic Center, And that was the first concert

1158
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: I went to as like a teenager, and I was

1159
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: like liking my own music, like one, and this is

1160
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: a concert like I went with my mom. My mom

1161
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: liked Pearl Jam too, but it was like that was

1162
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: the first one I went to where like, this is

1163
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: music like that I'm liking, and we go and see

1164
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: the show and you're just kind of like, whoa, this

1165
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: is like this is wild, you know, like it's just

1166
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: never seen anything like this, you know. And then Avitt

1167
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: Brothers in Ashville was a big one. We saw them

1168
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: a couple of times there. That one was huge. Those

1169
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: were huge shows for me because they were like, like

1170
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: at the time, like my favorite band when I was

1171
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: seeing them, because they were kind of from They're from

1172
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and I really grab gvitated to stuff from

1173
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: North Carolina era church, you know, I just gravitated towards

1174
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: that because it felt like it made it feel more

1175
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: like real almost. It was like, well, this guy, it's

1176
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: not some guy from Hollywood or whatever. In your mind

1177
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: you think of a famous person as like not even

1178
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: a real person kind of sometimes, and so it was like, man,

1179
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: these guys are these guys are from where I came from,

1180
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: and they're like having a lot of success now. At

1181
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: the time I see of it, Brothers, I'm not even

1182
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: doing music yet, but it still felt like, man, it's cool.

1183
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: These guys are from here, like the real people, you

1184
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And so that those were big,

1185
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: big shows for me.

1186
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: I have three final questions for you. Yeah, when you

1187
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 2: moved to town, was there ever a moment of Wow,

1188
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 2: this is like the major leagues now? And I got

1189
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: to recalibrate.

1190
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: A lot a lot of times, like and a lot

1191
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: of those nights were just like nights at ten Roof

1192
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: really like ten Roof Demumbrians like Tenroof Revival or Whiskey Jam.

1193
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: You go in, you move to town, you're excited. I did.

1194
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: Everything's great. You know. I put some songs out in college.

1195
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: Those did really well. You know, I'm kind of like

1196
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: this standout guy in North Carolina from like a talent

1197
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: perspective at that time, like there's not a ton of

1198
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: people doing it, but from a con and I'm not

1199
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: saying I was the best guy, but confidence wise, I

1200
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: felt that way. You know, I felt like I could

1201
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: hang with anybody at least and you come to town, dude,

1202
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: and you hear I mean, like I remember being in

1203
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: like tin roof. I'm in there like just trying to

1204
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: like hang play a couple of my songs, and the

1205
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: next rounds like Randy Montana, Jonathan Singleton, Channing Wilson, and

1206
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: then the next one's like Landy Wilson and like all

1207
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: these great artists and writers and stuff, and you're like, man,

1208
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: these people are like everyone is really good, really good,

1209
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, like everyone's better than me, and that's awesome

1210
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: because like now now I'm like iron sharpens iron kind

1211
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: of situation for me at that point, Like I really

1212
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: gotta step my game up if I want to like

1213
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: survive in this ecosystem. Oh, certainly, and excited to learn,

1214
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: like not in a competitive way, Like it's not like

1215
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm like me versus you know, Jonathan Singleton as a songwriter,

1216
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: Like that just doesn't work, Like it doesn't make sense.

1217
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: It's more like how do I get in rooms with

1218
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: these people and learn from them and write with them?

1219
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: And a lot of those people have become like guys

1220
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: that I lean on and like truly can call friends,

1221
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: and like we get to do it all together and

1222
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: have success all together, and that's really unique thing. It

1223
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: doesn't exist in a lot of places, you know, like sports,

1224
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: aren't you know, Like obviously you can be friends with

1225
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: a guy on another team, but not during the game,

1226
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's like you're competing

1227
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: against each other directly, you know. So I think, yeah, man,

1228
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: just being around people that are that good and that's

1229
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: the bar, you know, Like that's the point where I'm like, man,

1230
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: I just got to get up to the par with

1231
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: these people kind of like damn, like trying to be

1232
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: better than them like that miss probably not ever gonna happen,

1233
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: but like, how do I just get on the same

1234
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: playing field as these people? You know? I Mean it's

1235
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: like Laney was always so great. She's been as good

1236
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: as she is now for like over ten years at least,

1237
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: and didn't have success to win like four years ago,

1238
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 1: probably five years ago, max, But she's been in town

1239
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: longer than me. And like when I met her, I

1240
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 1: was like, this girl is so good. Man.

1241
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 2: Were you surprised she wasn't making it for a while?

1242
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, truly, because I'm like, man, what's it take? Like,

1243
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: because I took my stuff took off before hers, and

1244
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: it was like, well, man, like, dude, she's really good,

1245
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: like not just singer performer, but like writer, dude, Like

1246
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: she is a good writer, really good, like really really good.

1247
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if she gets as much credit for

1248
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: that as she deserves to get, but she was one

1249
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: of those people where I'm like, when I heard her stuff,

1250
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this is like if this doesn't get discovered,

1251
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: like then I got no hope for anybody if this

1252
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: doesn't work.

1253
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: There's a fun picture. I think maybe she posted or

1254
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: you posted of you guys together like writing. I don't

1255
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: know it. Probably it's over a decade ago.

1256
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: I think we were like I think we were eating burritos,

1257
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: I think, and we had been writing, me and her

1258
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: and James McNair I think writing together that day and

1259
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: went and had lunch. And but we wrote together a lot, man,

1260
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean not like all the time. We didn't write

1261
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: together every week, but we wrote together decently, consistently, and

1262
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: never whenever I wrote a song that we wrote, I

1263
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: recorded a song that we wrote, like when I was

1264
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: still in college, Like, I came to Nashville and she

1265
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: was one of the first people I met, and she

1266
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: didn't have it really anything going on, and I didn't

1267
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: have anything going on, so I was like, hey, let's

1268
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: write a song. And we wrote a song called cher

1269
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: if you want to And it's like still this song

1270
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: that like my die hard fans like request to hear.

1271
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: And we wrote it together and I released that when

1272
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: I was still living in Boone because I was making

1273
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: I would make trips occasionally to Nashville to try to

1274
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: like kind of meet some people and see if I

1275
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: was you know, anybody would be interested in right with me?

1276
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: Am I gonna move here? I don't really know? And

1277
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: she was one of the people I met on those

1278
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: trips and we wrote that some little office like she

1279
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: was living in that camper out like West Nashville somewhere

1280
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: and like kind of preschool or something. It was like

1281
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: it was wildest spot.

1282
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: Do you look back at those times and really enjoy

1283
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: it looking back at it, Oh, a really great time? Yeah,

1284
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: like idea how great it was.

1285
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just can't appreciate the greatness in the moment

1286
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: of like how fun it is, you know what I mean?

1287
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: And like you don't realize you would like long for

1288
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: those times back kind of like the innocence and like

1289
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: the honesty of that time, and like your pursuit of

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: your goals were like there was no monetary goals, Like

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: it was just love of the game, dude, you know

1292
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was like it was like I'm

1293
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: sure there's guys that play in the NBA that would

1294
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: love to go play a pickup game at Rutger Park

1295
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: and just nobody knows them. Yeah, and just play, you

1296
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: know what i mean. Like and once they're gone, you

1297
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 1: can't ever get them back those days either, So you know, yeah,

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00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: it's those were really fun times.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, Wow,

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Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: You ever go anywhere and they don't know you're a singer.

1302
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: They don't play this in the country music and they're like, hey,

1303
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 2: so what do you do And you're like, ah, I'm

1304
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: a singer. They really have no clue.

1305
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh definitely, you know, and like you kind

1306
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: of like people always when you say you like, oh

1307
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm play music or I'm in the music business or whatever,

1308
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: like people just like they can't help, but like pry,

1309
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: Like then they get really curious, you know, and a

1310
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: lot of times I don't tell them I'm not like, yeah,

1311
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm Luke Holmes, I'm this guy or whatever.

1312
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 2: Like certified diamond. You don't throw that at them, No, no.

1313
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: Don't ever hit him with it. But then they ultimately like,

1314
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: cause if I'm in that situation, we're probably like in

1315
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: a sweet to a basketball game or something like someone's

1316
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: invited us to something and word hasn't got out, Like

1317
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna be there to the people that were

1318
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: with or besides maybe the people that invited us, and

1319
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: they're like, well, we're not gonna tell anybody, and just

1320
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: it'll be chill. And ultimately, like they find out while

1321
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm in there, but like from someone else, like they've

1322
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: already talked to me about They're like, hey, what do

1323
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: you do? And they just have no idea and like

1324
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people will like apologize about it afterwards,

1325
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,479
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you don't have to, Like I don't

1326
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: expect you to like know who I am. That's not

1327
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: something that I have in my head. Like there's a

1328
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: lot of people that I don't know who they are

1329
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: and that are probably a lot more famous than me.

1330
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: So it's like, so whatever, you know, it's not a

1331
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: big It's not like I'm not like a field disrespected

1332
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: by that or anything. It's just can't expect everybody to

1333
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: know who you are, you know. It's just if they do, great,

1334
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: If they don't, that's great. You know.

1335
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: Do you ever get like a really cool DM from

1336
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: somebody trying.

1337
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: To think some of the like John Mayer was one

1338
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: was like the coolest one I feel like I got.

1339
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: Is that just an appreciation DM? Like love well doing.

1340
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: Actually it was like I was wearing like a really

1341
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: cool watch in a picture. He's like a super watch guy. Yeah,

1342
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: and he sent me. He just sent me a DM

1343
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: and it was like it was the name of the

1344
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: watch I was wearing in the picture and that was

1345
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: what he said, and was like.

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01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: Here's a recognition DM. Like basically he was like, yeah,

1347
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: see it.

1348
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: I see it.

1349
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 2: Respect it.

1350
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Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like that's a cool, cool watch. And I

1351
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: was like and then we kind of have had a

1352
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,959
Speaker 1: dialogue ever since after that, And there's been a few

1353
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: over the years, but like it's hard I'd have to

1354
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: almost go through and look, but there's been a bunch

1355
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: coming over the years, you know, where I'm like, man,

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01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: that's cool. I never thought that person would be. I

1357
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: think I was cool and I mean, I'm not cool,

1358
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: but they think I'm cool. But you know, yeah, it's neat.

1359
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: It's neat to get to meet some of those people.

1360
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean they say the don't meet

1361
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: your hero's thing, and that can be true to some extent.

1362
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: It's not always true, obviously, everybody you've had those experiences.

1363
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure anybody who ends up doing something like we

1364
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: do you ultimately have those experiences and you just kind.

1365
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 2: Of good and bad.

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01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like sometimes you meet him, you're like, they're

1367
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: even cooler than I would have ever imagined, Like they're

1368
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: the coolest guy ever, Like guy would have been friends

1369
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: with in high school if we went to high school together.

1370
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: You know, who's that name? A really cool one?

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01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: Oh gosh. I always come back to Jordan Davis. I

1372
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: love Jordan Davis. He's such a cool dude. We get

1373
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: along really well. The guys from Good Charlotte, Benji and

1374
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: Joel Madden like like, like those guys are some of

1375
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: the nicest guys on the face of the earth, man

1376
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: like and and it's like, I don't know that there's

1377
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: many people that I expected to meet that I thought

1378
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: would be cool that turned out to be cool. It's

1379
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: more people that maybe I never thought I would meet,

1380
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I never thought I would meet this guy,

1381
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: and he's like mega chill, you know, like super cool cat.

1382
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: It's like the coolest, most normal dude.

1383
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and like just wants to be a dad

1384
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: and like he is like really aware of the situation

1385
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: that he's in, but he just doesn't let it affect him.

1386
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: Like he lives a life he wants to live with

1387
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: no apologies. But he also doesn't have to apologize because

1388
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: he's just a super nice guy. Like he's really kind everyone,

1389
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: Like he's always doing stuff for his fans. So yeah,

1390
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: I really admire people like that. You know. I try

1391
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: to I try to emulate that and be like that.

1392
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: Whether it works or not, I don't know. I hope

1393
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: that it does, but.

1394
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: You have the reputation that it does, I hope.

1395
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: So you know, I like, you never really know. I

1396
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: guess what people think about you. But you know, I've

1397
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: always heard this too, like if you're worried about being

1398
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: if you're worried about being a bad parent, it means.

1399
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Speaker 2: You're a good parent because you care.

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01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if you're like I think I'm a bad dad, dude,

1401
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: and then like that means you're a good dad, because

1402
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: bad dads aren't sitting around thinking about how bad of

1403
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: a dad they are for the most part until maybe

1404
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: later in their life or something, you know, but like

1405
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: at the time they're like, oh, kid's fine or whatever,

1406
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: it's probably I'm a good dad, you know.

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Speaker 2: Final thing, I was looking at your tour and I

1408
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 2: was looking at the sport actually have and it's everybody

1409
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 2: from Tom's Rhett too, and where I my eyes popped out.

1410
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: I love the script. Yeah, I know they're doing some

1411
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: of the European Yeah, how did those guys end up

1412
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 2: with you? Yeah?

1413
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: It was like we you know, when we talked about

1414
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: like Europe is not you know, it's not obviously the

1415
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: same as the States. That's blatantly obvious. And so when

1416
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: we go over there, like normally when I do, you know,

1417
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: when you do shows in the States and you're thinking

1418
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: about it from well, who are my fans in the States?

1419
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,479
Speaker 1: Want to see? Like who who are my fans here?

1420
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: And what do they like and what are the things

1421
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: that they like? Like there's not much correlation between my

1422
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: fan base and the Scripts fan base here, But in Europe,

1423
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: the crossover is huge, you know what I mean, Like

1424
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: people that love them also love me there for whatever reason,

1425
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: because you know, they don't have like they don't have

1426
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: terrestrial like country radio there, like, so it's all just

1427
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: fans that have found your music and fallen in love

1428
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: with your whole catalog. And so when we were putting

1429
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: together the European tour, I'm like, well, let's get some

1430
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: acts that are like, you know, country adjacent, like or

1431
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: maybe that touch on one side, like they don't have

1432
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: to fully overlap, but like there's similarities to some extent.

1433
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: And they were one of the bands that I think,

1434
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, obviously is really great and that we landed on.

1435
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,479
Speaker 1: We're like, well, this would be cool if they would

1436
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: do it, you know, and I'm thankful that they that

1437
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: they want to do it, you know. And Teski Brothers

1438
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: they're from Australia, but yeah, they're so good, dude. I

1439
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: heard somebody scoff at that one. They're awesome, dude. Yeah, yeah,

1440
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: scoff's the wrong word. That's as a negative contents. Yeah,

1441
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: like oh my gosh, yeah, like there's those are so good,

1442
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, And and Tea Arts coming over there doing

1443
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: the Wembley stuff with me, and so there is like

1444
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like the fan base there is

1445
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: very similar, Like they like a lot of the same

1446
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: stuff that my fans here like. But I feel like

1447
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: the fans there they like more stuff, they like more music,

1448
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: almost like some of the fans here can be a

1449
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: little bit like, well, they mostly just like country stuff,

1450
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: but over there, it's kind of like if they like

1451
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: country stuff, they also like a lot of other stuff too.

1452
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: And it's not that you can group any individual into

1453
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: one category, but from a sociological standpoint, for the most part,

1454
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, you have to kind of funnel it into

1455
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: that thing. So Europe just allows you a little more

1456
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: freedom with your support acts without people being like, well

1457
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: maybe I won't go to that show because who's that,

1458
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like they're just maybe more

1459
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more open to two other acts, you know.

1460
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: The way I am out March twentieth and then the

1461
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 2: and you're doing shows other than just Saturday nights on them,

1462
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 2: yeah my kind of yeh Saturday night. Yes, was it

1463
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 2: all just Saturday nights at first? And then you had

1464
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: to double up because.

1465
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it starts you know, We always

1466
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: like to start with just the one, you know, and

1467
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: these are you know, they're three sixty shows. So the

1468
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: stages in the middle, except for maybe like Lambeau, there's

1469
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: one or two that we can't do three sixty in

1470
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: because the stadium doesn't want us to do it or whatever.

1471
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: And so yeah, like the bigs, like if we're doing

1472
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: one night, you know in Knoxville, I mean, that's bigger

1473
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: than two nights in the stadium on my last tour. Yeah,

1474
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, so it's like you almost don't have to

1475
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: do the two nights and you get the same amount

1476
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: of folks, maybe even more in certain places. So yeah,

1477
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: it starts as one and then if we feel like

1478
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to go to go for another one,

1479
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: we would go for it.

1480
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: That's awesome. He appreciate the time. If there were charts,

1481
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 2: is also doing the shows with you. Yeah, that's pretty

1482
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: that's pretty gigantic. He is the best, speaking of great

1483
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: Guys speak, he's on the Great Guys. Great Dude. Yeah,

1484
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 2: that's awesome and t.

1485
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: R too, man, We mentioned him though.

1486
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do that Mount rushmore of great Dudes, Great guys,

1487
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna country music I'm gonna keep women out

1488
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: for me. I think we should as a rule, because

1489
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 2: I don't want any headlines.

1490
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: To be like, there's only guys in it.

1491
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're only putting dudes in it.

1492
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: Okay, Mount Rushmore, great dudes. We could do Mount Rushmore

1493
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: great gals.

1494
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 2: Too, that Okay, I don't want to steal. Okay, So

1495
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 2: you want to do dudes first?

1496
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do we pick two each? Okay, we can do

1497
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: get collaborative Mount Rushmore.

1498
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 2: But the we're gonna you're gonna you're gonna have to

1499
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 2: pick Dirreks and tr because they're on your tour. Okay,

1500
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 2: are they grandfathered in since we already mentioned.

1501
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: Them a new one?

1502
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, so those guys are there, they're they're in the

1503
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 2: hall of their jerseys, retired, they're a good guy. Mount Rushmore,

1504
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 2: great dudes.

1505
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go first, I already said Jordan Davis.

1506
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: Jordan Davis, okay, Keith Urban, Oh.

1507
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, solid Ca. Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna go Vinnie Gill.

1508
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 1: Vince Gill, solid guy.

1509
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: That's a really good one. That's a solid guy, the kindest.

1510
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: Oh you put me on the last one, though, Like

1511
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot of there's a lot a lot of pressure.

1512
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: Because you feel like maybe I'm leaving somewhere off Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1513
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: you know. Oh gosh, let's think it's tough, man.

1514
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have like four because there are people that

1515
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 2: I really Also, it's and I love Luke Yeah not you. Yeah,

1516
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 2: I love you, but you're not you can't be on

1517
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 2: the list. Like Luke Brian and I spent a lot

1518
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 2: of time together American and he's great, he's great.

1519
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.

1520
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go with Luke Bryan.

1521
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: He's I mean, there's nothing wrong with that answer. Man,

1522
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: He's a great dude.

1523
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: Great guy. Are we doing junior varsity?

1524
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: And it's also it's also like it's the list is

1525
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: a little skewed because there's probably a lot of artists.

1526
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: You've spent time around a lot more people than I have.

1527
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 2: Really, like I almost put Plenty Black on there. Oh great,

1528
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 2: because he's so funny.

1529
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: He's really funny.

1530
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 2: I just have it like, yeah, with with Urban and

1531
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: Luke Bryant, I've spent literal days at a time with them,

1532
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: so I get that benefit. All right, let's do the

1533
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 2: mount rushmore of women. Awesome women. Laney, Okay, Oh, this

1534
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 2: is going to be cheating. But she's the best dolly

1535
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 2: that Yeah. Is she in the Hall of Fame though, okay, like.

1536
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: The Ring of Honor is like named after.

1537
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 2: Her, shouldn't be in the Hall of fame. She's so

1538
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: they're the Hall of Fame. Love them both, doll and

1539
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 2: Ring of Honor. We named it after them.

1540
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: It's named after them, and then everyone else hangs in

1541
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: that raft.

1542
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 2: Fair enough. I'm going to go and I don't think

1543
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 2: this is cheating because they're the same band. But I'm

1544
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 2: gonna go a little big town. Kimberley and Karen they're

1545
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 2: they're together, They're they're together in one head.

1546
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ashley McBrien, Dang, that's a good one. She's great.

1547
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 2: That's a good one. I always have to go forth,

1548
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 2: all right. And the final person, there's a lot, a lot,

1549
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: I know, I.

1550
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 1: Don't want to like.

1551
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 2: This is not the list of like the only there's

1552
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: just so many great.

1553
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: There's so many, Yeah, there's so many. It's hard to

1554
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: like narrow it down. This is tough. Yeah, See, this

1555
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: is tough for you because now you may get some you.

1556
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: Know who I think is so funny because funny's big

1557
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 2: to me, because.

1558
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,600
Speaker 1: It's funny nice though. Can you be funny and not

1559
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: be nice? You can? I'm not.

1560
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: If you're not nice though, and you're funny, that's never

1561
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 2: gonna get to me.

1562
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: That's true.

1563
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 2: And to be funny, like you.

1564
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: Almost have to kind of be nice. To be funny,

1565
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: you have to be smart, at least in a conversational way.

1566
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 2: Who am I forgett because I have something I'm gonna say,

1567
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: But who would? Because you know it's really funny. Who

1568
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: I really like being around is Megan Marony. I don't

1569
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: know where that well, because she's so freaking funny.

1570
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: We're on the same like, uh we might actually be

1571
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: both at the same imprint of Sony maybe not. I'm

1572
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 1: on Columbia. I don't know where she's at. Yeah, just

1573
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: like never cross paths or these things where like you

1574
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: barely she's she's in the night like kind.

1575
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: Of well funny and you do not expect it. So

1576
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put like funny people. I'm gonna put it

1577
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 2: on there for like funny people a lot. What a

1578
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 2: what an exercise we just did?

1579
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: Yes and tough?

1580
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 2: And how many people do we offend? That's the other thing. Yeah,

1581
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: It's like when you do a speech and you didn't

1582
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 2: think it right there, No thanks, I really appreciate Thank you,

1583
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 2: miss best of luck on the record in the tour.

1584
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 2: You don't need your luck. You put the work in,

1585
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 2: so I really appreciate the time. There. He is the

1586
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 2: great Luke Coombs.

1587
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys man, appreciate it.

1588
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.