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Speaker 1: his Nose Bonanza Part two. You know we uh where

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Speaker 2: We uh what I feel like right now? What I

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Speaker 2: it allegedly keeps going on the same day. But literally,

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Speaker 2: like Matthew Perry looks completely different, has a different haircut,

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Speaker 2: is a different weight, like it. That is how I

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Speaker 2: feel about part two of this podcast, where I was

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Speaker 2: feeling so healthy, fulfilled. I had literally just gotten back

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Speaker 2: I went. I came home at six thirty am last night.

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Speaker 2: I woke up at noon. I'm trying to pound coffee

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Speaker 2: you can tell my voice. I actually do sort of

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Speaker 2: like my sexy ratty. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very good.

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Speaker 2: But it is very funny that this is part two

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Speaker 1: I mean, talk about that time thing. I'm actually so

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Speaker 1: I feel that, you know, imagine part one we come

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Speaker 2: It's so funny that for us, toxic productivity for both

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Speaker 2: I mean, the LA lifestyle comes for us all.

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Speaker 2: You can feel yourself transforming, and in fact, you can

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Speaker 1: Everyone's desperate for a little reason to go somewhere. These

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Speaker 2: should be tax deductible. You are doing a community service

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Speaker 1: And et cetera. And Maura Moraa's a main character on

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Speaker 1: the Discord, and Maura, I want to say, get a

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Speaker 1: profile picture, mama.

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Speaker 2: And I also want to say Keith Herring was born

440
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Speaker 2: in Reading, Pennsylvania, not New York.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but you know you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right?

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Speaker 3: Next question, this is from Sarah.

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Speaker 1: Sarah, do you want to answer this?

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Speaker 2: You know what. I can try to answer it, but

446
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna warn you, Sarah, my mind is not working

447
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Speaker 2: on one hundred percent today and I don't know if

448
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Speaker 2: I can do this question justice. Okay, so you're going

449
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Speaker 2: to get a couple of sentences from me. Sarah asks George,

450
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Speaker 2: what does marriage mean to you? I? I just think

451
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Speaker 2: it's uh, I guess I. What it comes down to

452
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Speaker 2: to me is sort of like a commitment to like

453
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Speaker 2: deepen a relationship and to be like how and to

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Speaker 2: be like we are. It's almost like world building, Like

455
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Speaker 2: you're like building a world together and you are in

456
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Speaker 2: it for the long haul. And there's something about that

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Speaker 2: that I have to say, even though I'm cynical about

458
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Speaker 2: most things. And I don't really know if I believe

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Speaker 2: in marriages an institution. Sometimes you just have a feeling.

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh, this is a person I want to

461
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Speaker 2: spend the rest of my life with, and maybe you

462
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Speaker 2: should pursue that without without getting all political with it.

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Speaker 2: So that's my message to all of you, to all

464
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Speaker 2: of you people out there, maybe don't think too hard

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Speaker 2: about everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you've always I think you know, you're

467
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Speaker 1: cynical about many things, but not the family.

468
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Speaker 2: Not the family. We both are essentially family values focused,

469
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Speaker 2: and it's one of the things that connects us. It

470
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Speaker 2: is one of those things. I actually think marriage is

471
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Speaker 2: a classic thing where you start to sort of lose

472
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Speaker 2: your mind when you are asked to define it or

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Speaker 2: say what it means to you. It's sort of like, well,

474
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Speaker 2: it's it's tautological. Like marriage is marriage. It is what

475
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Speaker 2: it is, which is that you are formalizing a commitment

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Speaker 2: to a person that you are in love with and

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Speaker 2: that you want to sort of build something with, whether

478
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Speaker 2: that's something is a family, or whether that's something is

479
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: you know, real estate deals, real estate deals a business,

480
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Speaker 2: you know, contract some sort of sugar baby sugar daddy

481
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Speaker 2: situation even Yeah. And then the second question is do

482
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Speaker 2: you think you'll ever go back to the old style,

483
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: crazy wild West days of the podcast? And to this,

484
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Speaker 2: I say, how fucking dari next question.

485
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: And I will agree, And isaya have you not heard

486
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Speaker 1: Macy Rodman's Gatio lab episode.

487
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Speaker 2: I literally go and listen to Mason Robbins gatea Lab

488
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: episode because to me, that is absolute perfection and it

489
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: is what I want the podcast to be every single week.

490
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: I mean we literally it's it's yeah, we're sometimes doing

491
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: the people we don't know. Some the trust is complicated,

492
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Speaker 1: and I.

493
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Speaker 2: Think, don't apologize. Don't apologize for us. Every episode is

494
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: perfect and it is a privilege that all of you

495
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: get them for free.

496
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Speaker 1: That's true. And if you have to hear a couple

497
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Speaker 1: ads about an HIV medication, well I'm sorry. Your life

498
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: is so fucking hard.

499
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have to hear a mere sixteen minutes

500
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Speaker 2: of ads before straight shooters, then.

501
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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, oh sorry, your thumb doesn't work to hit

502
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Speaker 1: thirty seconds forward button on your damn phone.

503
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Speaker 2: Believably grow up, but also love you, Sarah. Sorry we

504
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: ended up dragging both your questions.

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Speaker 1: No, I uh, shout out to Sarah.

506
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Speaker 2: My defense. Yeah, I also be able to about the

507
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Speaker 2: marriage thing is not because it's mostly just because I

508
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Speaker 2: don't know how to answer that right now, and I

509
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: my brain is really not working in full capacity. So

510
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Speaker 2: then you know my my instinct is to sort of

511
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Speaker 2: come up with an intellectual reason why I don't want

512
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Speaker 2: to end or something.

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Speaker 1: You did answer it. And I also want to say

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Speaker 1: I feel bad now that I was too meet to Moora,

515
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: So shout out to Mora. She actually is one of

516
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Speaker 1: the main characters on the discord, and.

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Speaker 2: We love Mora. Would die for Mora, yeah, and I

518
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: will at some point.

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00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's possible.

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Speaker 2: So in this next one from Martin, I want to

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Speaker 2: do number two. Okay, would you like to read it?

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Speaker 1: Yep, this is from Martin. It says there are several

523
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: recurring characters featured in the pod. Off the top of

524
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: my head, I thinking of Charlie bardat Alison Roman, Cheryl

525
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: Straight played by Reesea's Been in a Wild, George's Mom,

526
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Speaker 1: then Joan Didion Alarm and Lady Gaga in the Chromatica era.

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Speaker 1: Can you rank them on who you would most want

528
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Speaker 1: to start in a quirky cop procedural for CBS and

529
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Speaker 1: why of course.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is sort of one of the most

531
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Speaker 2: perfect questions I've ever had the privilege of reading. And

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Speaker 2: I also like how wild the list of people is. Yeah,

533
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Speaker 2: those are a sort of like mix of old references

534
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: like Charlie. I feel like, very early in the pod

535
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: it was like a little inside joke that we would

536
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: constantly mention Charlie. But that hasn't been the case for

537
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Speaker 2: like two years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually think I'm not going to rank because

539
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Speaker 1: there's just too many iconic.

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Speaker 2: Characters, so we just have to pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do think a cop procedural specifically starring

542
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Speaker 1: mix Emma would be iconic.

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Speaker 2: That would be big. I also think the joone Dadian

544
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Speaker 2: alarm could be part of it, in the sense that

545
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Speaker 2: when she figures out that a victim or a perpetrator

546
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Speaker 2: of a crime has been telling themselves stories in order

547
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Speaker 2: to live, she would ring the joone Dadian alarm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that would be amazing.

549
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Speaker 2: And maybe each episode is building to that. I will say,

550
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Speaker 2: of the choices that were given to us, yeah, I

551
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Speaker 2: believe that.

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Speaker 1: Well, it would have to be Cheryl straight played by

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Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon and Wild. I think yes, because I think

554
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Speaker 1: that's that would be a beautiful story her like solving

555
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: the crime, but actually solving the crime of her own trauma.

556
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: Exactly. And I also really love the idea of Cheryl Strade,

557
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: as played by Reese Witherspoon, completing her hike and then

558
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: her big realization is that she wants to become a

559
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Speaker 2: police officer. And I actually think that could be sort

560
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Speaker 2: of a satirical, you know, rat hole type commentary on

561
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Speaker 2: society and the police state. Like Cheryl Strade literally like

562
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: doing self discovery via being a corrupt cop.

563
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: She literally goes back down the trail, arresting everyone she

564
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Speaker 1: came across.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, love it. Okay, okay, next, and it would

566
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Speaker 2: never be Alison Norman because we need her to be

567
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Speaker 2: doing more recipes.

568
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's got to be cooking.

569
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Speaker 2: She don't have the job.

570
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Speaker 1: She's also real now. At first she was a character

571
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Speaker 1: that we invented, and now she's real and in.

572
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Speaker 2: Fact with us, she became real when she did the podcast. Yeah, okay,

573
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: let's see, let's see, let's see. Oh my god, this

574
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Speaker 2: is juicy.

575
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Speaker 1: But I don't know if we can do it. It's advice.

576
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Speaker 1: It's advicey.

577
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Speaker 2: I mean I I do it.

578
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Speaker 1: I want to do it quick.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, we'll do this one quick, because you know

580
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: we have mixed results when giving advice. This is from

581
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Speaker 2: I have been hooking up with my roommate for over

582
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Speaker 2: a year now, and we have been keeping it a

583
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Speaker 2: secret to all our friends. It's been fun, but recently

584
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Speaker 2: I have caught very light feelings of a crush and

585
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Speaker 2: want to bring it up, but I'm afraid to disrupt

586
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Speaker 2: the flow of things. Here's my question. Is this worded

587
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Speaker 2: in the way where the roommate has a crush no oh,

588
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Speaker 2: and also says the dick is phenomenal and I would

589
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Speaker 2: love to keep going.

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Speaker 1: I think love that she has a crush on Rumy.

591
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I guess I hate to Oh, it's all

592
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Speaker 2: listit more information that you think she has a crush.

593
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Speaker 1: I still think she has a crush on Rumy.

594
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Speaker 2: I hate to selicit more information because at this point

595
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: you're not we're not going to get it in time.

596
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: But what I do need to know is of like

597
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: more about this roommate, Like maybe you're catching feelings and

598
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: that's okay. And you can literally be in a relationship

599
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: and get married and have children. Is there a reason?

600
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: Is there something that's stopping you from pursuing it further?

601
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: Or is it more just that like you are, you

602
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: don't like this person in that way. But I'm just thinking, like,

603
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: if you're already hooking up, you're already living together, you're

604
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Speaker 2: developing a crush. I'm sort of like, go with it.

605
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: I say, go with it. And I'm also like, have

606
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: you been hooking here for a year. That's like, you

607
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: guys have a relationship. Might not be sort of the

608
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: classic form, but that it's something.

609
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you are in a domestic partnership.

610
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.

611
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Speaker 2: I have to say hooking up with your roommate is

612
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: sort of like what I'm doing with my fiance.

613
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Quite literally, you share a bathroom in a kitchen. You

614
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: guys are an item of some.

615
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: Fun colored and congratulations.

616
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations. We expect the wedding invites soon.

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Speaker 2: Next question, this next one, What do you think I

618
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Speaker 2: could go either around?

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Speaker 1: I actually kind of want to do it. Let's do Okay.

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Speaker 1: This is from Claire alcohol ug Am. I right, you

621
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: too often talk about drinking, going out, trying to drink less,

622
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Speaker 1: being hungover, et cetera. I have a love hate relationship

623
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Speaker 1: with alcohol. On the one hand, Okay, let me try

624
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: to cut forward. I'm curious how you to deal with drinking,

625
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: New York drinking culture, dependence, hangovers, mental health, et cetera.

626
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: Love your show, sweet great.

627
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: It's nice to chicken on one's relationship to alcohol once

628
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Speaker 2: a year when a podcast listener asks.

629
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Speaker 1: You, I find my relationship to alcohol very confusing because

630
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Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, like, especially now that, like with my

631
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Speaker 1: health issues, I've been sort of like I keep wanting

632
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Speaker 1: the doctors honestly to be like, it's because you drink

633
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: too much and so, but I feel like a shame

634
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: of like it's because I drink too much. But they

635
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: keep being like, no, that's not it, and I'm like,

636
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: but are you sure? Like that can't be good, and

637
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: they're like and every time I'm like, do I have

638
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: to stop? Let me guess I need to stop drinking,

639
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, that's not it, and I'm like,

640
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: but I feel I feel a lot of shame. I mean,

641
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: in La, obviously I'm drinking way less. It is more

642
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: of a New York vibe. But I don't know. Yeah.

643
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Speaker 1: I always go back and forth on it where I'm like,

644
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: it's a It's a constant conversation of like, do I

645
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: need to reel it in? Is this fine with the deal?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It's uh. It is ultimately poison that you're putting

647
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: in your body, and it doesn't make you feel good,

648
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: and it and it hes you.

649
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: That's jo She doesn't drink anymore.

650
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Speaker 2: That's Jalo. She doesn't drink anymore, and that's the only

651
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: reason she looks so good. Yeah. I feel similarly. I

652
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Speaker 2: I'm very I just sort of go back and forth.

653
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Speaker 2: There appears in my life where I don't drink, there

654
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Speaker 2: appears in my life where I drink more. I I'll

655
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: say this in terms of more specifics we are. I've

656
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: been living in this like three year period of Martini's

657
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: being everywhere and being like the thing that everyone orders.

658
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: You know. Obviously there was like a huge resurgence of

659
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: it when things were reopening post you know, during the

660
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: pandemic whatever, and unfortunately I have been really hypnotized by that,

661
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: and I now it used to be that a martini

662
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: was something that was so alcoholic and so intense that

663
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: I would have it like once every two months as

664
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: like a really special tree. And now I am finding

665
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: myself just having that be the default. I don't even

666
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: glance at a menu, and if I'm at like a

667
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: nice bar, that is what I order, and I will

668
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: say that is bad, that is too much alcohol to

669
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: be having. I mean, and yet there is literally nothing

670
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: better than that first sip of an ice cold gin martine.

671
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: Oh, it's heaven on Earth. I mean when I and

672
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: when I have a martini, this is where it gets

673
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: really bad. I'll be like, well, I'll do another martini.

674
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: Who cares? And then it's like okay, and now we're

675
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: about to go buck wild.

676
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: I know. I wish there was a basically just wish

677
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 2: there was healthy alcohol. So if anyone can invent that,

678
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: I would actually love to be an early investor, and

679
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: you can even join the coworking space that my friend

680
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: is building.

681
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: I do find. Yeah, I think it's also just hard.

682
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: It's a hard thing because I want there to be

683
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: a binary where it's like I'm either sober or I'm not.

684
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: And it's sort of like it's not how it works necessarily.

685
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it can be how it works, but it's

686
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: more of the constant conversation is both annoying and important.

687
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I also, I have to say, and I hope

688
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: I'm saying this with some self awareness. I genuinely don't

689
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: feel I need the social lubrication of alcohol, and it

690
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: is quite literally just the ritual of like holding and

691
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: sipping a martini. I really don't feel. I don't know.

692
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I am not looking that

693
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: too deep. I'm not thinking about it deeply enough. But

694
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: I sometimes when I wake up the next day and

695
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm hungover, I'm like, wait, all of that was basically

696
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: just to sort of like feel like I'm feel like

697
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: I'm Gary Bradshaw.

698
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: It does. It's not that doesn't need the social implication

699
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: as much as I need like it like settle, like

700
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: I feel settled, Like I feel like I'm here for

701
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: a reason. Like if I'm right, if I'm like not drinking,

702
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: I'm always like, well then why am I in this space? No?

703
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: This is it's so yes, And and I do wish

704
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: there was a way there was a way around that,

705
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: like just a way to something that was equivalent to

706
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: let's get drinks. Yeah, that didn't involve alcohol, but was

707
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: equally fun because guess what, all of the things that

708
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 2: people are going to suggest are lame. So it's like, yeah,

709
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: I guess I could have a board game night.

710
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I could also jump off a fucking cliff.

711
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and maybe I will right, next question.

712
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: Next question, let's see, Oh.

713
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: Okay, it's the last. The last paragraph has the question

714
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: what's an interesting one? Very us subject line is by

715
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: the way, I still can't get over Alison remem being

716
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: on the podcast US too, and the door is open

717
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: for her to come back when she's promoting her next book.

718
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: The question is, what is one small, easy thing that

719
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: usually makes your mood better? Whether or not you do

720
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: it when you're in a bad mood. That's is a

721
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 2: whole other thing. Okay, is yours getting a little coffee?

722
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean an easy thing that definitely getting a little coffee,

723
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: going for a little walk and listening to some damn music.

724
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: And that's kind of it for me. Yeah, what's yours?

725
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: Music can really do it? You know. Here's what I've

726
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: been doing recently is I've been going down to the

727
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: bodega and getting a Snicker's ice cream bar when I

728
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 2: just want a little something sweet. Wow, And it hits.

729
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: It hits every damn time.

730
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like ever predict your what you're

731
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: up to. I think if I were to like say, like,

732
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: what's George's tree, I'd be like, he goes to the

733
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: local bakery and gets like, you know, sort of a

734
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: bitter chocolate of course, of course, but actually you're going

735
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: to and getting a frozen do you say, a frozen

736
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: Snickers bar or just a normal one?

737
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, like an ice cream bar.

738
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that is a wild bar. Yeah.

739
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: And in fact, recently I have been cutting them in

740
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 2: half and putting the second half in a ziplock bag

741
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: and actually half of one is sort of barely in

742
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: a mouse bouche. I mean, if you feel like you're

743
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: not even eating something that has a dairy and calories

744
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: in it. And I'm saying that in a body positive

745
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: the least toxic way possible. Okay, I will say, actually,

746
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: an interesting thing. And I'm really stretching the meaning of

747
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: the word interesting here is that it used to I

748
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: would say, my little tree used to be hands down

749
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: and this is more me an iced macha latte.

750
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, now we're talking about that's my George.

751
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: But there was a point during the last two years

752
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: where I suddenly started hating the taste of them. It

753
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: was as though something switched in my brain and I

754
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: no longer enjoy them. And I'm actually actively looking for

755
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: a new specialty beverage that I can replace them with.

756
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: So please write in if you have suggestions.

757
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, next question? Oh love this?

758
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: Okay? This is from anonymous Okay, and they say it

759
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: is Tyler Dirt. Oh sorry, go ahead.

760
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: Is Tyler Dirt and Brad Pitt's character and fight Club

761
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: a twink?

762
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: This is really interesting? And this person says I thought

763
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: he had traditional top energy, but my partner insists he's

764
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: a power bottom twink.

765
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: I think in the dynamic he's definitely the top and

766
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: sort of or.

767
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: Is he the power bottom. He's certainly the powerful one

768
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: whatever it is. Power. Yeah, I think he's a top.

769
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: I think he's the top because but also.

770
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: He might be one of those people that like, I'm

771
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: getting well off fun, seeming like a top and then

772
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: being a bottom.

773
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: Well, not to be literal, but aren't they sort of

774
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: like isn't there they're like flipping like they like they

775
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: like take turns fucking each other.

776
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: Basically that's true. Yeah, yeah, I think that, Like, yeah,

777
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: I think he is someone who is having sex in

778
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: a way that actually negates the binary of top and bottom.

779
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: I agree, in a way that is scary and I

780
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: don't even want to know any more about it.

781
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. And is he a twink? I mean I don't

782
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: know anymore? Yes, No, I he still has like a Muscley.

783
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do think though, in those little looks that

784
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: he's serving you know what, I'm gonna go ahead and

785
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: say I think it's it could go either way. I'm

786
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: gonna take a step and I'm gonna say, yes, he's

787
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: a twink.

788
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: And just so we as a podcast are completely correct,

789
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no, he's not, and we can move on.

790
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: And I yes, and here's what and we can move on.

791
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: But here's what suade me is that his name is Tyler. Okay,

792
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: Tyler is such a twink name to me.

793
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: No, that's true. I agree.

794
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: And also that he's imaginary. Okay, uh oh, this is

795
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: actually a great one. The matel question. If Mattel came

796
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: to you with their list of post Barbie movie ip

797
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: and said you have to pick one and make the

798
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: gay empowerment movie of the century, which would you choose

799
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: and what would the plot be Is your idea good

800
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: enough for an oscar nom Well, first of all, yes

801
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: is the answer to the final question. But let's look

802
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: at specifics. The American Girl Doll, Magic eight Ball, Masters

803
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 2: of the Universe, Wishbone, Viewmaster, Thomas and Friends, Matchbox, Uno,

804
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: Hot Wheels, and rock'm sockam Robots. Which one would you be?

805
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 2: Would jers Bey?

806
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I, of course American Girl Doll jumps out

807
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: to me. But I'm trying to think outside the box.

808
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 2: I want to say on the record that I would

809
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: say approximately fifty percent of these mean nothing to me

810
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: because they are sort of I hate not to pull

811
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: the foreign card American references that were not part of

812
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: my childhood. I actually have no idea what Matters of

813
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: the Universe is. I don't know what Wishbone is. I

814
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: don't know what Thomas and Friends is. I don't know

815
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: what match Box is.

816
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: The thing I think I'm also confused is because the

817
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: Wishbone I'm thinking of as the dog that travels through

818
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: time and salts mysteries or whatever or learns about history.

819
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what this is.

820
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: I'm looking up Mattel toys, but in the meantime, In.

821
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: The meantime, I think the gay Empowerment movie would actually

822
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: be Magic eight Ball, and it would be someone being like,

823
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: am I gay? The Magic eight Ball would tell them yes,

824
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: and they'd be like ah, and like they'd want to hide,

825
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: like they could be hiding. It would almost be like

826
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: horror like to be hiding the Magic eight ball. So

827
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: it wouldn't like tell anyone else love that.

828
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: And also the voice of the Magic eight Ball would

829
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: be someone sort of out of the box. I mean,

830
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: in the same way that they had Helen Mira and

831
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: narrate Barbie. You know, you could get Leslie Manville to

832
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: be the Magic eight ball.

833
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: It's Ian McKellen.

834
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: Wow, that's good. Magic eight ball is queer elder.

835
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and like trying to you to help you. Yeah.

836
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: At some point, someone's gonna you know, there's gonna be

837
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: the number eight okay, and someone's gonna turn its sideways

838
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: so it's the infinity symbol and they're gonna be like,

839
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: you're infinite. So that's the America Farrah Oscar's monologue, and

840
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna have to just agree with Sam.

841
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: I mean, there is a very odd I think the

842
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: sort of you know, love Simon. Traditional neoliberal version of

843
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 2: this would maybe be hot Wheels and there's a gay

844
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: car and he's like in this environment of toxic masculinity

845
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 2: he or she. Although I think the gender dnamics would

846
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: be different if it was a lesbian.

847
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: Well, the lesbian would be the American girl doll story.

848
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 2: Yes, well, obviously you have to have a lesbian American

849
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: girl doll, and that would be really big for empowerment.

850
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: And you have to have a gay guy hot wheels car. Yeah,

851
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: and people would be like flamer flames on his sides.

852
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: Wow, I love that.

853
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: But actually, okay, I will say my final answer might

854
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: be lesbian American girl doll because that is really a

855
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: movie I would like to see.

856
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that would actually be a good movie.

857
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: I mean an American girl doll with like an all

858
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 2: lesbian Tagan and Sarah haircut.

859
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean taken and Sarah can do the soundtrack. Oh yeah,

860
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: let's say next one.

861
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: Oh, this is fun. I sort of like continuing this bit.

862
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: Okay, is it my turn?

863
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: You sure?

864
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: I know? Y'all frequently joke about having sleets culture gab fests.

865
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: Beloved Steven Metcalf on the show as a fan of

866
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: both Strada Lab and Culture gab Fest. I need to

867
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: know if this crossover will ever happen. Have you ever

868
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: reached out to him? Is it just a bit at

869
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: this point? Honestly, I think he'd be a great guest

870
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: and could make for one of an all time best episodes.

871
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: Can we please get this treat in twenty twenty four?

872
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: This is actually a great question because I think I

873
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: actually do sort of think I like it as a

874
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: bit than as reality. Yeah, I think I would. I

875
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: would like Freeze if it actually happened.

876
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: I like, I mean, I actually I think he could

877
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: be a good guest, but I think it would be

878
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: confusing to him.

879
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think he would. And by the way,

880
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: it's not his fault. No, of course, if I was

881
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 2: a straight dad, you know, who was a editor or

882
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: writer at Vulture or well Slate, I would also not

883
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: get two gay guys ironically standing.

884
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: Me, Yeah, it's very confusing, and yeah it's I think

885
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: it's best at a distance.

886
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I think it's best at a distance.

887
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: But I have to say, like, I do love It's

888
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: really one of my favorite of our running bits.

889
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, standing Stephen metcalf I maybe there's

890
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: a world of which she comes on. Who knows.

891
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, fine, I'm I'm not, you know, not ruling it out.

892
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, I want to say maybe on the record,

893
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 4: I was just thinking that we're sort of skipping a

894
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: lot of the like really deep earnest ones, which I

895
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 4: guess I'm okay with, but I'm like, maybe, I don't.

896
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: Know, do you think it's a cop out.

897
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know if it's a cop out.

898
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: I think the reason we're skipping them is because we

899
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: don't think we're going to be very interesting. But I'm

900
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: also like, maybe we should do some of them.

901
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: I could try this one.

902
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 2: We love the entire question, but because it's long, I'm

903
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: just going to summarize and say, move to New York

904
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: and is feeling lonely and gay, and is sort of

905
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: asking whether those two are related. Queer people are on

906
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: a different track than straight folks, which is fine most

907
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: of the time, but as all the straight friends, as

908
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: all my straight friends are having families and buying homes,

909
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 2: it's hard not to feel left behind, especially getting older

910
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: without a real gay network. That was discussed a bit

911
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: on a recent patren How do you keep from feeling

912
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: lonely when you're hitting the time in your life when

913
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: you quote unquote should be reaching for different milestones. And

914
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: there's a question is being gay more lonely? Like our

915
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: gayness and loneliness related basically, I mean, this is a

916
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: fascinating topic. To me, is like, here's what's interesting about

917
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: it to me is for people of our generation, I

918
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: would say throughout our twenties, at some point we essentially

919
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: stopped feeling If we are lucky enough to like have

920
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: a community and be accepted, you sort of stop feeling other.

921
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: You're not like in a room and you're like, oh god,

922
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm gay and everyone is and everyone is thinking about that.

923
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

924
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: So then what's interesting is like you stop feeling other,

925
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: you feel sort of comfortable with yourself and your choice

926
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: and everything. And then suddenly everyone, all your straight friends

927
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: do in fact start conforming to straight life in a

928
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: way that you had forgotten was where their lives were going.

929
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 2: And so it's this strange where suddenly you feel different

930
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: again after feeling not different for a while. So it

931
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: almost feels like a step back or something. We're like,

932
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 2: oh right, I forgot we were different.

933
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does become more clear the difference, but not

934
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: necessarily in a bad way. Like I, for one, I

935
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: know I have like a touch of Peter Panson from generally,

936
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: but I like, I kind of am grateful that that

937
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: pressure to grow up isn't as hard on us. And

938
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: I think, like the lonely question is interesting, and I

939
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: know that everyone has their own journeys, but I feel

940
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: like so many straight people I know are more lonely

941
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: because they like have a kid and moved to a

942
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: place they don't know, and like have no time and

943
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: like to make new friends, and like don't have a

944
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: way to like socialize and are just sort of like, damn,

945
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: I guess this is what it is. Whereas we get

946
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 1: to like be in our thirties and you know, hanging

947
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: out with big groups of friends on Friday nights and

948
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: having like you know, feeling free and fun still, which is.

949
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, well, it's the double edged sort of Yeah,

950
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 2: it's a double edged sort of sort of a lack

951
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: of a rule book. Like on the one hand, it's

952
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: so liberating to not have the same expectations thrust on

953
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: you that you know a straight person does. But on

954
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: the other hand, it can you can feel unmoored if

955
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: there are no expectations, because then you're unless you have

956
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: a really strong sense of self or you are you

957
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: know exactly who you are, You're sort of like, wait,

958
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 2: so there are no goals, I'm supposed to figure everything

959
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: out myself. I think it can be like comforting to

960
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: just like conform because then at least you know you

961
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: know what the next steps are.

962
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think you know this is a you

963
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: just moved and I feel that, like it just moving

964
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: does take time. There's gonna be you think takes time,

965
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm going through it. I don't know what my like,

966
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't have my rhythms yet. And it's like takes

967
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: a little more effort and a little more pressure on

968
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: yourself to like put yourself out there and even go

969
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: hang out with people that you're like, well, it's not

970
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: a perfect not going to be a perfect hang but

971
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: you just have to do it and be like, but

972
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: maybe it'll lead to a perfect tang later with some

973
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: like maybe I'll meet someone through this person that will

974
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: be the perfect hag.

975
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: Totally, I really think it is. It's something that can

976
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: seem insurmountable being somewhere with no community, and it can

977
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: be if not fixed, then like very strongly, you know,

978
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: improved more fast than you think it Really, all it

979
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: takes is going to one event or going sort of

980
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: pursuing one friend and then meeting their circle of friends

981
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: and then suddenly you know, one thing will lead to another.

982
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 2: It really like looking it's so interesting to look at

983
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: who you are friends with, who we are friends with

984
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: now having lived in New York for a few years

985
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: and just like think back to the random ways you

986
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: met people. It really is also random. Like I just

987
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: got dinner with my friend Dan, and I was thinking

988
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: that I met him at a barbecue that was like

989
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 2: hosted by my friend's boyfriend's coworker. That at the time,

990
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: I was like, oh god, is it's so random that

991
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: I'm going I'm like the one person no one knows

992
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: here and like everyone else was, you know, very tight

993
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: knit and whatever, and like five years later, we're like

994
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: getting dinner together.

995
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I've said it once, I'll say it a

996
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: million times. There's no ethical way to make friends as

997
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: an adult area. When you're like, oh, how do you

998
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: know this person, that's like you can't ask that, Like

999
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: we just met through this person, through this person, Like

1000
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1001
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: We just are now not to belabor this too much,

1002
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: but I wish I had a great answer to this.

1003
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: But I do think the question of the relationship between

1004
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: gayness and loneliness, specifically with gay men, if I may

1005
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: be so bold, is a really interesting one. I was

1006
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: talking about all of us strangers during the part one,

1007
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: and it's very much like almost asks the question like

1008
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: is it fundamentally lonely to be a gay man? Like

1009
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: which I have to say, I don't think. I think

1010
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: my answer to that is no. But I do think

1011
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: there is a there's such a rich history of gay

1012
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: men emphasizing their own loneeness in the world like it is,

1013
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: so it's such a vital part of like so much

1014
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: gay literature and gay art, and I almost think that

1015
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: in a sort of counterintuitive way, it actually sort of

1016
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: like fetishizing your own loneliness as a gay man actually

1017
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: serves to make you part of a community of other

1018
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: gay men who all fetishizes their loneliness. Like it is

1019
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: actually like a rich tradition that you are a part of.

1020
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 2: And every gay man at some point has looked around

1021
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: and been like, oh is my thing that I'm like

1022
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: this incredible person that's alone on a mountain and I'm

1023
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: looking down on the world.

1024
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so enjoy it, so half on up there.

1025
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: But I also really do think I'm not you know,

1026
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: I think I'm getting a very good sense of his

1027
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: personality through this email, and I genuinely feel that everything

1028
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: will work out. I don't because sometimes you'll know, sometimes

1029
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: someone will express similar sentiments and you're like reading between

1030
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: the lines and you're like, uh oh, like you're going

1031
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 2: to have a difficult time making friends. But this is

1032
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: not that. I think this is all gonna this is

1033
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: all gonna work out, And that's why we're being cheeky

1034
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 2: about it, all right.

1035
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh cheeky about it.

1036
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: I love that. Okay. This is from Marshall and Marshall.

1037
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 2: Marshall says, I was so excited to see you at

1038
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: Singers and I said hi and proceeded to go outside

1039
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 2: and ask all my friends if I was weird when

1040
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: I said hi. They said I wasn't, and I have

1041
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: to say I agree. I thought, Marshall, if you're the

1042
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: person I think you are, I thought you were so funny,

1043
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: and I also so sam I was. Someone said hi

1044
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: to me at Singers and he was like, are you

1045
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 2: Stradio Lab? And I said yes, And then then as

1046
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: he's walking away, he goes, when am I going to

1047
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: be on the pod? Okay? I love that so funny.

1048
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 2: I love it's like that is an incredible to first

1049
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: of all, and I'm not saying this in a judgmental way.

1050
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying this truly with love. To not say my name,

1051
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: to literally be like are you straight or lab? Clearly

1052
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: you don't remember my name, which is totally okay, and

1053
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 2: then to turn around and say when am I going

1054
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: to be on the pod?

1055
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: Beautiful?

1056
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 2: That talk about classic gig guy behave finally stunning way.

1057
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: You know they say gay guys are going it's extinct.

1058
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: Not when I hear about that.

1059
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: Not want to hear about that. Marshall is such a

1060
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: great gay guy name.

1061
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's power there.

1062
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: I say, I say, go off, and you know what,

1063
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: you can come on the pod whenever you want.

1064
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have an open invite.

1065
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: I just want to say, this person has sent us

1066
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: three questions and they are all so good that we

1067
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: are going to struggle to choose one. Here, let's do

1068
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: rapid fire. Do you think it is elitist and annoying?

1069
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: Or chic an intellectual to be a stickler about grammar.

1070
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious how you feel about this. I think it

1071
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 1: is annoying to be a stickler about grammar. I actually

1072
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: am free from grammar, and I think I think it's

1073
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: such a misconception that grammar is writing and understanding words

1074
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: and how to put them together.

1075
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: Sure, I think that it. I agree that it is

1076
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: annoying to be openly a stickler about grammar. Like to

1077
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: correct someone or to make fun of someone I think

1078
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 2: is absolutely elitist and annoying. But there's simply no way

1079
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: around it. I do that is I am. I do

1080
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: judge someone when they when they have that grammar it

1081
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: like I wish I wasn't like that. And yes, I'm

1082
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: sure it's part of like some toxically as part of

1083
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: me literally would be, but well I would never I

1084
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: would never vocalize it. And by the way, I yes,

1085
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: all of it is within the context of like clearly,

1086
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: if someone is being is using grammar in an innovative

1087
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 2: way or if they're being casual, I'm not going to

1088
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: like judge them. But you know, if someone that is

1089
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: in our community that literally like was sent to Liberal

1090
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: Arts College is still writing. Would of I'm gonna say,

1091
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: you need to go back to college.

1092
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I say, be frizy more as long as

1093
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: it's legible and I understand than go off.

1094
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what it is is like in terms

1095
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: of the elitiest part is like I'm I tend to

1096
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: It's like I'm judgmental of people that I know have

1097
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: had every opportunity and have just refused.

1098
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, No, that's a good point.

1099
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 2: And question two is are you both the middle child?

1100
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: The answer is no, I'm the oldest, but Sam is

1101
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: middle And how much does birth order play into your

1102
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: perception of self? Our comedians is for personally middle children. Interesting, Okay,

1103
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: what do you think.

1104
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: I think it plays into a perception of self pretty strongly.

1105
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it yeah more well, yeah,

1106
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's more so than astrology, and

1107
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, actually both, I'm sort of like, no,

1108
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 1: I'm a perfect cancer and I'm a perfect middle child.

1109
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, so I say, yeah, I think I

1110
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think middle children all choose like entertainment or attention,

1111
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: but I do think there's.

1112
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: Sort of there's definitely something there.

1113
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's like a keep your head down

1114
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: and like just move forward thing with a middle child.

1115
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you're a thing about like how you're more

1116
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: quiet when you're with your family. All of that is

1117
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: classic middle child behavior. And I think I see, you know,

1118
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: my sister who's a middle child lives and lives here

1119
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: and I see her all the time, and there is

1120
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: there really is just something about the spirit of a

1121
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: middle child that is noticeable and universal, just like the

1122
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: spirit of like an only child. Yeah, in terms of

1123
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: birth order. For me, I think it's also very intimately

1124
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: tied to A being the only boy, B being the

1125
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: only gay one, and C being the only one that

1126
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: pursued a sort of like out of the box career,

1127
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: where on the one hand, I do feel almost like

1128
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: a vuncular with my sisters, where I'm like, oh, I

1129
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: helped parent you. But on the other hand, there's almost

1130
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: like the oh, you know, the arts, the uncle wearing

1131
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: the fun vest.

1132
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh, that's always the dream I can't wait for, you know.

1133
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: What I mean, Like I feel both parental and also like,

1134
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: at this point, literally both of them, without a doubt,

1135
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 2: like are going to be more traditionally you know, are

1136
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: going to have like more traditionally successful career is going

1137
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: to make more money like it, and and there's almost

1138
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: that It's like in that sense, I'm almost the youngest

1139
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: child in terms of like traditional progress. It's the push

1140
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: and pull of that is really where I thrive.

1141
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: It's a cool rejection that you did. I actually think

1142
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: you and no one gives you credit for that.

1143
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: Thank you all right, next question, Yeah, this is about

1144
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 2: the ethics of making art about past relationships this and

1145
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: I actually do think this is interesting for comedy.

1146
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is complicated. This is from says

1147
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: a long time listener. I want to ask your opinions

1148
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: about the ethics of making art about past flings. I'm

1149
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: a musician and an album out of breakup and my

1150
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: ex well, let's just say he was not a fan.

1151
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: This is the eternal question.

1152
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: This is the eternal question. I think it's complicated. I

1153
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 1: think you can, on the one hand, do whatever you want.

1154
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: I think like it is your experience. You're allowed to

1155
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: process it however you want to process it. I do

1156
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: think they're also allowed to be upset about it. And

1157
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: I think like, especially if you're being like only your

1158
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: side it, like there are times like there are things

1159
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: that have happened to me that a person has done

1160
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: when I'm like, well that even if it's not like painful,

1161
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: where it's like, that's inherently funny And I would love

1162
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: to find a space to bring that up. But obviously

1163
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: I can never bring that up because that's a person

1164
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: and like they will know it's about them and it'll

1165
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: hurt them in a way that is not worth whatever

1166
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: little joke I can get out of it.

1167
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's what I'll say to this. There is

1168
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 2: a famous Janet Malcolm quote that I just looked upcause

1169
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to but trip. But she has this

1170
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: book The Journalist and the Murderer, and it's like about

1171
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: her covering this like crime story and she has this

1172
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: famous quote, which is every journalist who is not too

1173
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: stupid or full of himself to notice what is going on,

1174
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: knows that what he does is morally indefensible. He is

1175
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: a kind of confidence man, preying on people's vanity, ignorance,

1176
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: or loneliness, gaining their trust and betraying them without remorse.

1177
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: And I would say, like, something that is difficult to

1178
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: admit is just that actually it is immoral to use

1179
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: people in your life to essentially, what's the word I'm

1180
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: looking for, like sort of commodify them in order to

1181
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: put them in something that then serves you. And I

1182
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: think the question isn't debating whether or not it's ethical.

1183
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: The question is accepting that it is unethical and then

1184
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 2: negotiating with yourself how comfortable you are with that. Yeah,

1185
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: I would say that is my answer. I think you

1186
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: are gonna argue yourself into circles, or like you're gonna

1187
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: think yourself into circles if you try to find a

1188
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 2: way where you come off innocent.

1189
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: M hm.

1190
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: So there you go, So there you go.

1191
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: Next question, this one is I'm about to be a

1192
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: first time parent. I truly don't know what sort of

1193
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: plans to ask friends to that will fit my stricter

1194
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: bedtime schedule. What do you do with your friends who

1195
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: have kids?

1196
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 2: Oh this is good, Okay, I don't. Well, my best

1197
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: friend from college had a famously had a kid last

1198
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: year and I just hang out with her and the

1199
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: baby all the time.

1200
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: Well there's that, and there's also like when the nights

1201
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: that you do get a babysitter, and like it's so

1202
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: fun to hang out with a parent the night they

1203
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: get a babysitter because they are ready to pop off.

1204
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: To them, it's like the best night of their entire lives.

1205
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: It's Christmas, it's their birthday, and so it's I think

1206
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: it's fun and I think people want people get it

1207
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: for the most part.

1208
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: And people get it. Yes, I have to say I was.

1209
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: I would say I was a little worried about how

1210
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 2: it would affect are not our friendship, but just literally

1211
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: how much time we spent together when she had a baby,

1212
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: and there hasn't been a huge difference. You just have

1213
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: to like make an effort. I think. I don't know.

1214
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: We like went to a wine bar recently and she

1215
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 2: just had the baby with her and he was being

1216
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 2: like so quiet. I took an amazing photo where I'm

1217
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: holding a glass of wine in the baby in the

1218
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: other hand, and I look so chic. And then Yeah,

1219
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely right about the the sitter thing.

1220
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,959
Speaker 2: It's like you're giving them the best gift ever.

1221
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, is there anyone in the alt comedy scene

1222
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: you have a crush on slash romantic history with Ooh?

1223
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: You know what? I was thinking, what this is so

1224
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: at a character? I think I have hooked up with

1225
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: more past guests than you have.

1226
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: That's definitely true.

1227
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Yeah, I mean not crazy.

1228
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy that you're such a warm and yet

1229
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: I've hooked up with more people? Well, but I was.

1230
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: I had that realization recently where I was like, damn,

1231
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 2: that is such a strange fact.

1232
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: Strang real listeners know, Yes, I believe I've hooked up

1233
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: with three past guests.

1234
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: For anyone keeping count at all, I think I've.

1235
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: Made out with one. Yeah, I think maybe I don't

1236
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: think more than one.

1237
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to But this is a good I mean,

1238
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 2: maybe we could do. I certainly don't have any current

1239
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: crushes that I would like to discuss, But is there

1240
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: like a funny past one. I mean, I think in

1241
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 2: the very beginning of moving to New York, I at

1242
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: different times had a crush on In fact, I believe

1243
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 2: it was a mutual crush with both Matt and Bowen

1244
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 2: and I and you never acted on it with either

1245
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: of them. This was like many many years ago, and

1246
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: I think I might have even talked about it when

1247
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 2: I went on Lost Caul treesas WHOA And then I'm

1248
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: trying to think who else.

1249
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I think I was definitely more afraid. I'm

1250
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: generally more cautious around friends and colleagues than like I

1251
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: feel like you're like you're like not the way where

1252
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm being like responsible, But it's like I

1253
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: find my friends less attractive, Like as soon as they're

1254
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: my friends, I'm like, okay, you're not attractive.

1255
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 2: Totally no, no, I And to be fair, like, I've

1256
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: actually had very few experiences of like a real successful,

1257
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 2: no strings attached, like, oh, isn't it funny that we're

1258
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: friends and we also hooked up?

1259
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1260
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 2: I am also nervous about that in the big picture,

1261
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: but then sometimes you know, it really hits and you're like, whoa,

1262
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 2: why can't the whole world be like this? Like we're

1263
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: just we're.

1264
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: Just people, man, Yeah, who cares?

1265
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: Who cares? There is I'm not gonna say who, but

1266
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 2: there is someone that I that has been on the

1267
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: podcast that I did have like actually a very big

1268
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: crush on for like a full calendar year and was

1269
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: like a big part of my life. I love that

1270
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: he and I don't think he knows, or maybe he

1271
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 2: does and we've never addressed it, but I no longer

1272
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: have that crush, and we are still close friends to

1273
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: this day.

1274
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: The crush has been crushed.

1275
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 2: The crush has been crushed.

1276
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. In a relationship, what are your Valentine's Day

1277
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: expectations from your partner? I think this is kind of

1278
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 1: a fun question. I don't really have any I think

1279
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: we make it what we want to. You know. I

1280
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: do like to do something fun for both together, but

1281
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of unclear what that is because the restaurants

1282
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: are annoying, but not going to a restaurant's annoying.

1283
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the one very obvious thing I will

1284
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 2: say is do not go to a Valentine's Day prefix meal.

1285
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: Those are designed to rip you off. They are not good,

1286
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: And if you want to have a nice meal at

1287
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: that exact restaurant, just go two days later and have

1288
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: the normal a la carte menu.

1289
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1290
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: One thing I will say about Valentine's Day is I

1291
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: have gotten into and actually Matthew did this on our

1292
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 2: first Valentine's Day together, sort of getting like a funny

1293
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 2: cheap literally like box of CVS Heart chocolates. It can

1294
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: go such a long way for someone to come back

1295
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: from work and get you like a box of like

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01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 2: bad Hershey's kisses or something, and it like basically does

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Speaker 2: exactly what it needs to do. It's almost nodding to

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Speaker 2: the fact that it's like a silly holiday and no

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Speaker 2: one takes it seriously. But it's also being like, look,

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Speaker 2: I got you some chocolate and it really like and

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Speaker 2: I because I actually think it's better than flowers or

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01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 2: not better, but I don't know. Flowers are a whole

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01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: other thing. I think it's fun to get someone like

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01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: a cheap box of very like gaudy pink and red

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01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 2: heart chocolates.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I love that, So there you go. Oh

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Speaker 1: this is kind of fun. But maybe in a similar vein,

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Speaker 1: tell us about the worst or best gift you've received

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01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: from a lover. Okay, not that it's like the best gift,

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: but a notable gift one time and normally I think

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01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: this is like it could go either way, because I'll

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Speaker 1: start and just say it was a novelty tea.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So one.

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Speaker 1: Time we were out, like me and Mishaw were out

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Speaker 1: to dinner with Riley and his girlfriend at the time

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01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: my brother, and we like it was like, oh, I'll

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Speaker 1: pay and like whatever, and so I put. I was

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01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: like looking through my wallet and I was like, where

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Speaker 1: is my debit card? And then I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I left my or I forgot I left

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Speaker 1: my debit card at Spawcastle, and it like got a

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01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: huge Everyone was like that's so funny and like we

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01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: kind of forgot about it, you know whatever. And then

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01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: at Christmas that year, I opened up a uh A

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01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: present that was a T shirt that said like my

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01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: like I left my like ask me about how I

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01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: left my debit card at Spowcastle or something about like

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01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: I left my debit card AT's podcastle And it was

1329
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: like so proud of itself and so funny and like

1330
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: Misha made the like design and it like wasn't like

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01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't like, wow, this is amazing, but it was

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01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: like for some reason the joke bringing it back up

1333
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: made like really got to me in this weird way

1334
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 1: or like I for some it was like a Christmas

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01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: like I teared up for a second. I was like,

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01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: why is this making me emotional?

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Speaker 2: That is very sweet. I have to say. Matthew is

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01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: very good at like being attentive through the year and

1339
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: basically making a mental list of things you have said

1340
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: you want and then getting those things. So I anything

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01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 2: I mentioned will not like immediately hit an objective listener.

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01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: I will say, he got me my little goal chain

1343
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 2: last year for Christmas and I love it.

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: Well, it's so chic, so chic. Okay, uh, we could

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01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: do this one in your youth, which men in media

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01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: served as your gay awakening. Do you have a good

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01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: answer for that? It's a good question.

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01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 2: Oh hm hmmm. I'm like, oh well, I've already said

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01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: this answer. Actually I've already said this on the podcast

1350
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 2: to apologies. But when I saw as good as It

1351
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: gets in theaters, Greg Kannear plays a gay man in it,

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01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 2: and I think that might have been the first media

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: representation of a gay couple like living together sort of

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01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: in a city and having a day to day like

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01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 2: where it wasn't the punchline that they were gay. It

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01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 2: was just like a representation of a gay couple. Separately

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01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 2: from that, there is a point where you do see

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01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 2: his butt, and I would say that was like a huge,

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01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 2: huge moment for me where I was like specifically gay

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01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 2: Greg Kannear like being like super queenie and then you

1361
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 2: also see his butt and he's like freaking out because

1362
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson is like being so annoying, I felt, I

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01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 2: felt represented.

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Speaker 1: That's funny. I don't know what my first one is,

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01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: but I can remember at least a comedic one, which

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01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: was that when I went to see the film Anger

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01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: Management starring Jack Nicholson and Adam Sandler in theaters. Famously,

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01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: Jack nickl is like annoying and sleeps in bed with

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01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler and he's like, oh, by the way, I

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01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: always sleep naked, and I was like, nice.

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01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 2: That is wow, It's crazy that Jack Nicholson is part

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01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 2: of both of our day awakenings.

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01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 1: That was a funny one. I mean like, wait, this

1374
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: is yeah, this is bad right right guys? Yeah, somebody said,

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01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: what makes you cry? Do we want to do that?

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01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 2: This is actually yeah, I wouldn't mind doing this. I well,

1377
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 2: the film Wild for one. Other than and other than that,

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: I have to say, I I guess my answer is

1379
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 2: mostly movies. I actually don't cry a lot in my

1380
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: own day to day life, and I really wish I

1381
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: did more, because I think it would be cathartic. And

1382
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 2: sometimes I will be feeling so bad about something or

1383
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 2: so depressed, and I will be like, God, if only

1384
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: I could just like have a good cry. Yeah, really,

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01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: I really don't. I mean it's been I think got

1386
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 2: used to a little more when I was younger, and

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01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,839
Speaker 2: it just has been years since that has come easily

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 2: to me. But I cry a lot of movies, like,

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: and I sort of enjoy it, honestly, because that's like

1390
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: the only time I get Catharsis.

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01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: I cry a lot of movies. I cry it songs.

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01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: When I need a cry, I'll have like something like

1393
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: it'll almost be like a sneeze in you, and I'll

1394
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: be like I'll listen to some songs and it's like, oh,

1395
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: like I'll try to sing along and my voice will

1396
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 1: just start cracking and it's like, uh oh, here it comes.

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01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 2: So that do you feel like you cry because of

1398
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 2: the content of the lyrics or because you're like music

1399
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 2: is so beautiful.

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 1: It's the content of the lyrics, to be honest, it's

1401
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: often like the mood, the tone of voice with the

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01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: like I'm sort of like like sometimes if someone's too

1403
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 1: if someone's very confident in a song and I'm feeling

1404
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: small and I'm trying to sing along, it can back

1405
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: and break me because I'm like, I don't feel this

1406
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: I feel so far from this, feeling so also sad stuff.

1407
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a song by Nico Case called Man that

1408
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 2: for whatever reason has always always been incredibly meaningful to me,

1409
01:11:58,160 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 2: and every time I try to sing along, I start

1410
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 2: tearing up. And then last night I was listening to

1411
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: the song boys on the radio by a Whole and

1412
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: I did have the experience of actually being like, this

1413
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 2: is so beautifully written that that is what's moving me

1414
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 2: rather than the actual contact. I was like, I can't

1415
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: believe this exists and that I get to listen to

1416
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 2: it and that I can always listen to it when

1417
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 2: I want, And what are the chances that everything would

1418
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 2: come together in such a way that these women would

1419
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 2: write this song and that I would discover it and

1420
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 2: I would and I will be able to listen to

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01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 2: it like on you know, on the f train.

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01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: I love that. Well, I'm not allowed to listen to

1423
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: Selifane by FKA Twigs because it will ruin me. How

1424
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: do you feel how do you deal with being gay

1425
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: and being attracted to gay friends?

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01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 2: Well? I think we answered that one.

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01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, make out with them sweetheart. Will the pod

1428
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: tour again? Yes, we don't know when, but we want

1429
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: to the Okay, hold, hold, I think we're almost towards

1430
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 1: the end. What would you do if you didn't do podcasting?

1431
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 2: Usider, director, star of a television show.

1432
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: Next question, President of the United States, Next Jesus Christ.

1433
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,440
Speaker 1: Here comes the big question. Thoughts on lesbians.

1434
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 2: Oh, I think we're both pro.

1435
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: Imagine if we weren't, that would be Yeah.

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01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I think by the way we people are

1437
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 2: always asking us thoughts on lesbian's, I actually do want

1438
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 2: to say two things. First of all, I am on

1439
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: record of saying lesbians raise me and all my the

1440
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 2: majority of my friends in college and for much my

1441
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: post college life work queer women. I do want to

1442
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: address a difficult thing that I think we have to address,

1443
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 2: which is that when attempting to analyze straight and gay

1444
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: culture in our podcast, we do often without realizing it,

1445
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: make the default gay men for gay stuff. Well, I

1446
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 2: think about this so much.

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01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: Sorry, I would push back, not that we make the

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 1: default on gay man, but we are speaking from our experience.

1449
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: It's like, I think it's more that we're like staying

1450
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:04,879
Speaker 1: in our lane rather than.

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01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 2: I think it's. Yes, I think we're staying in our

1452
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 2: lane in some ways, But I also think that, for instance,

1453
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: when we're talking about contractors being a straight thing, so

1454
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 2: many people were like contractors is literally a classical lesbian job.

1455
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 2: Like if we're saying contractors a straight culture, that is,

1456
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 2: that's because you're thinking of gay as gay men. Sure,

1457
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,919
Speaker 2: but I think that ultimately, you know, we are artists

1458
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 2: and our embodied experience is what guides our critiques. Yeah,

1459
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 2: and so it's going to be imperfect, of course.

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01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: I think that's it. I think I think we've covered

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01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 1: a lot. I think we've kept these people here for

1462
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: far too long, I know, And I think I'm feeling cleansed.

1463
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like we were earnest. I'm feeling like our

1464
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: editor has a tough, tough job ahead of him. And

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01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: I feel bad.

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01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel bad too. As always after these episodes,

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01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:11,440
Speaker 2: I feel guilty and self and it's so self indulgent

1468
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 2: in a way I hate. Yeah, I hope that it.

1469
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 2: I hope that you take our question answering style as

1470
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 2: cheeky rather than self serious. My biggest fear is that

1471
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 2: we sound like we think we're the most interesting people

1472
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 2: in the world, and we're literally talking about, like, you

1473
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 2: know what our favorite dog breed is, and so I

1474
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 2: you know, I trust our audience to interpret everything the

1475
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 2: right way. I do want to say apologies to all

1476
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 2: the questions we didn't answer, and I also want to

1477
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 2: say that a lot of them we didn't answer because

1478
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 2: they've been asked and answered before, and that is not

1479
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 2: judg men towards anyone, but it is an invitation to

1480
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 2: go back into the catalog and listen to earlier Ernest's bonanzas.

1481
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 2: Because we have talked about how we've met. We've talked

1482
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 2: about our childhoods, our parents, our fears, our hopes, and

1483
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 2: I think we get nervous about repeating ourselves. Okay, that's it.

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01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for sending questions. They were all incredible, even

1485
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: the ones that we didn't answer. And some of them, yes,

1486
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: we didn't answer them because they were too vulnerable, and

1487
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: that's on us. And we're gonna work work to be

1488
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: better next time.

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01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 2: Next time. Nothing's off the table.

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01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we love you.

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01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: Well, we love you. Thanks for listening, Thank.

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01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 2: You for listening. Happy Vale, rate and review us. Yeah,

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01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 2: a couple podcasts and have an amazing last stretch of

1495
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 2: winter before beautiful spring comes and envelops us all.

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01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, Bye Bye podcast and now want more.

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