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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gradski. Thank

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Speaker 1: you all for being here. Happy Columbus Day. As many

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Speaker 1: of you know, I'm a proud descendant of Italian immigrants.

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Speaker 1: They came to America about one hundred years ago, and

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Speaker 1: they came from Sicily in Naples. And to quote the

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Speaker 1: great philosopher Tony Soprano, in this household, Christopher Columbus as

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Speaker 1: a hero. So Happy Columbus Day. Have a flag cookie

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Speaker 1: for people who don't live in a major city, it's

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Speaker 1: chocolate top and bottom with the Italian flag in the

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Speaker 1: middle of great cookie anyway, But Happy Columbus Day.

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Speaker 2: I hope you have.

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Speaker 1: A wonderful day if you're off and even if you're working.

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Speaker 1: And let don't let anyone tell you that European colonalization

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Speaker 1: was a bad thing. Discovering America was a great thing,

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Speaker 1: and so was colonialization from Europe, and ultimately it led

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Speaker 1: to the founding of the greatest, freest and most prosperous

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Speaker 1: nation ever existed. So Happy Columbus Day. Now, for the

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Speaker 1: last few weeks I have focused a lot on the

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Speaker 1: elections they're coming up in twenty two days, Yes, twenty

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Speaker 1: two days. So if you haven't made a plan to

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Speaker 1: go vote yet, find out who's running in your area,

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Speaker 1: find out the issues of the support, make a plan

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Speaker 1: and go out and vote well. I start off every

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Speaker 1: episode with some polling information about the upcoming elections, but

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Speaker 1: there really hasn't been many polls lately. There was only one.

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Speaker 1: It was a Trafalgar Pole in Virginia. Now let me

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Speaker 1: preface by saying Trafalgar does some very good work in

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Speaker 1: the past. They did a lot of good work when

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Speaker 1: Republicans were ahead, but then they had an awful year

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two where they made all these projections

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Speaker 1: of Republican victories that were you know, never happened, and

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Speaker 1: some of them weren't even close, and it really hurt

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Speaker 1: their reputation in a big way. But in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four they were the fifth most accurate pollster, so that's something.

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Speaker 1: And I might add that in twenty twenty one they

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Speaker 1: nailed the Virginia local election, so there's that as well.

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Speaker 1: So the Trafalgar Pole came out and has Spamburger up

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Speaker 1: by three. It didn't include an independent who's not on

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it'sarely Spamburger plus five. But they Spamberg

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Speaker 1: up by three, has me for lieutenant governor, Democrat has

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Speaker 1: Republican Jason Miarez, the incumbent attorney general, up by six points.

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Speaker 1: He is facing Jay Jones, who made all those text

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Speaker 1: messages saying he wanted to kill Republicans. This seems a

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Speaker 1: little too good to be true in my judgment, but

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Speaker 1: they have nailed some elections in the past and will

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Speaker 1: have to wait to see more information, which I'll cover

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Speaker 1: next week probably now. For those of you who know

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Speaker 1: this show, they listen to me. I don't do episodes

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Speaker 1: where I chase comments made by other people in the media.

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Speaker 1: I don't do reaction videos. I don't say like, you

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Speaker 2: I don't do that.

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Speaker 1: I find most of it very, very cringe. I don't

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Speaker 1: really care what most people in the media, especially very

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Speaker 1: famous people who are not even listening as podcasts say.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to start a few. It doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense to me. But there have been a few

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Speaker 1: comments made about immigration that I think need to be addressed,

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Speaker 1: what was said. So Joe Rogan, most famous podcaster who's

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Speaker 1: very often. He had an episode that I checked out

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Speaker 1: specifically because of this clip where he claimed that people

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Speaker 1: who support Trump's mass deportations don't have a heart. Let

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Speaker 1: me roll the clip now so you can hear exactly

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Speaker 3: Let's just talk about the immigration thing. The way it

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Speaker 3: looks is horrific. When you're just arresting people in front

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Speaker 3: been here for twenty years. Yeah, that everybody who has

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Speaker 3: a heart can't get along with that. Now, everybody who

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Speaker 3: has a heart sees that and go, that can't be right.

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Speaker 3: They can't be right. They can't be the only way

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Speaker 3: we have to have a border, Yes it should have

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Speaker 3: been secure. Yes they should make sure you know who

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Speaker 3: they worked the entire time, they paid taxes, find them

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Speaker 3: a pathway to the citizenship. Find a way where you

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Speaker 3: but also have a fucking heart, because if you don't,

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Speaker 3: you're not gonna get anybody on your side. If you're

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Speaker 3: doing this stuff, publicly throwing women into the ground, handcuffing

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Speaker 3: people just for existing on the wrong side of the dirt. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: not a criminal.

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Speaker 2: Not.

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Speaker 3: The only crime they ever committed was coming over here

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Speaker 3: They probably didn't even know what the fuck was going on.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on, and most of it is

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Speaker 1: emotional blackmail. So, first of all, him saying I didn't

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Speaker 1: think this is what Trump would do. Did you pay

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Speaker 1: attention at all to the campaign because he was very

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Speaker 1: clearly going to do mass deportations. He said it at rallies.

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Speaker 1: He said in interviews there were signs printed at the

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Speaker 1: RNC saying mass deportations. Like it wasn't a secret. It

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Speaker 1: It was no secrets hidden whatsoever. So saying you only

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Speaker 1: not horrific. Illegal aliens being deported in most of my

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Speaker 1: generous nation on Earth. We've taken in more immigrants legally

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Speaker 1: to our own detriment at times. And the line that

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Speaker 1: he said these people were just born on the wrong

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Speaker 1: side of the dirt. Excuse me, Joe Rogan, exactly how

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Speaker 1: many migrants are living in your house that you allow,

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Speaker 2: Feet of your daughter?

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Speaker 1: Like this is a rich person trying to make you

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Speaker 1: your social service services should be drained, your quality of

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: It is such hipocrisies to hear from a wealthy person

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Speaker 1: who has generational wealth on his side that they don't

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Speaker 1: viewpoint creates a cycle a perpetual victimhood where the world's

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, that they will allow illegal behavior, that there's

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Speaker 1: Rogan's guests, he tried to lay out later on in

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Speaker 1: He says tom Holman starts about supporting a draconian effort

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Speaker 1: permitted to come in the country, human smugglers prey on

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Speaker 2: During the first.

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Speaker 1: Two decades, I want to write people how dangerous having

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Speaker 1: enforcing laws are good, right, I mean, it's not fair.

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Speaker 1: It is simply not fair to allow a country to

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Speaker 2: The worst people in the world.

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Speaker 1: Human smugglers are, in my opinion, the worst people in

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Speaker 1: Farmers can't get access to workers, they just don't want

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Speaker 1: So, Mickey, you're a very well known liberal and but

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Speaker 4: But I wonder in this day and age with cell phones,

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Speaker 4: Now, there's only one case that's really gotten to me

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Speaker 4: and then five and then zero. So you if you

436
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Speaker 4: cut that deal, which is a reasonable deal to make,

437
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 4: you're buying a whole world of trouble. So I support

438
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Speaker 4: the idea for now, let's just support everybody who's here

439
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Speaker 4: illegally and see what happens, and maybe the Democrats will

440
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 4: finally get the message that we have borders. The other

441
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Speaker 4: part about compassion is, I mean, what my book was

442
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 4: about was about how unskilled Americans, especially blacks, were being

443
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Speaker 4: thrown on the trash heap of history because wages were

444
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Speaker 4: actually going down for those people. So while it used

445
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Speaker 4: to be everybody moved up into the middle class in Unison,

446
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 4: the bottoms were dropping out. They were going on fednel

447
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 4: there the people Charles Murray wrote about. And that's not

448
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Speaker 4: the society we want, and it's produced by mass immigration,

449
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 4: because those people are lowering the wages for everybody at

450
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Speaker 4: the bottom. Even if they don't take a single job

451
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Speaker 4: from a black person, they are lowering the wages. But

452
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 4: of course they do take jobs from black people. Blacks

453
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Speaker 4: rightly say they're the last tired, first fired, and they

454
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Speaker 4: are hired after the illegals. So if you have compassion

455
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Speaker 4: for your fellow Americans who have been screwed over the

456
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Speaker 4: last forty years, you want to control immigration, right, So

457
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Speaker 4: I want to go back to your first point before

458
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Speaker 4: you or the second point. Here's why I don't agree

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Speaker 4: with the twenty year policy.

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Speaker 2: Like, if you've been here since.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand, let's say, are two thousand and five, then

462
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Speaker 1: you get to say, let's say two thousands is a

463
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Speaker 1: nice even year. The Reagan amnesty was in eighty six,

464
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Speaker 1: it was signed in eighty six. It didn't take effack

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Speaker 1: to like eighty seven, it ended. I think I think

466
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Speaker 1: the last person who got it was like in nineteen

467
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Speaker 1: ninety nine or two thousand, but it extended for quite

468
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Speaker 1: a perio of time.

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Speaker 2: George H. W.

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Speaker 1: Bush issued to see a smaller but a series of

471
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Speaker 1: amnesties as well.

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Speaker 2: So really you're talking about people.

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Speaker 1: Who came between nineteen ninety three and two thousand, right

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Speaker 1: like right before nine to eleven. It's a six or

475
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Speaker 1: seven period of time. It's a few million people, some

476
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Speaker 1: of which will have passed away by this point, some

477
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Speaker 1: will return to their own home country. It's not it's

478
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Speaker 1: a very very it's a blip of the illegal alien

479
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Speaker 1: population as far as the real groups of people. But

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Speaker 1: those are clearly the most sympathetic cases, and the problem

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Speaker 1: for people who want to enforce the.

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Speaker 2: Law is that we see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we see that woman throwing herself on the floor

484
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Speaker 1: of the jail cell saying, please don't take my husband.

485
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Speaker 1: What we don't see is the six or seven people

486
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Speaker 1: who just go home on their own peacefully. There was

487
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Speaker 1: a New York Times article over the weekend about how

488
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Speaker 1: New York City public schools are fighting back against deportations.

489
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Speaker 1: Every person they feature was being deported. So I have

490
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Speaker 1: no idea how they're fighting back but their parent. But

491
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Speaker 1: there were a lot of them were just self deporting.

492
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Speaker 1: They were just going home on their own volition. And

493
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Speaker 1: that's the best way possible. It is you are, it

494
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Speaker 1: is the best. It's what we are looking for. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I buy the whole like twenty

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Speaker 1: year thing. And also there's I mean, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: have documentation. And when I think what Joe Rogan doesn't

498
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Speaker 1: understand and you would, is is that when you're talking

499
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Speaker 1: about an administrative state and the administration having to go

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Speaker 1: through millions upon millions of applications to verify the legitimacy

501
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Speaker 1: of someone's claims that they haven't broken the law, not

502
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Speaker 1: even like id theft, and that they've been here a

503
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Speaker 1: certain period of time I mean, you're talking about paperwork

504
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Speaker 1: that would take you know, five, six, seven, eight years

505
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Speaker 1: to even go through in a proper basis. So I

506
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Speaker 1: think that that's that's why we get Sony bad legal immigrants,

507
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Speaker 1: is because it takes so long to go just a

508
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Speaker 1: short period of time to do the paperwork.

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Speaker 4: Every time they draw a line like that in the

510
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Speaker 4: Reagan amnesty, with the doc I amnesty, there's massive fraud.

511
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Speaker 4: People claim, you know, if you're supposed to come before

512
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Speaker 4: sixty five, I people come up with some fake utility

513
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Speaker 4: bill or something that implies they came here before sixty five.

514
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Speaker 4: I mean, the numbers are always much larger than expected because

515
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 4: they're inflated by fraud. And yes, you're asking for it.

516
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Speaker 1: And it's an open invitation for one progressive judges to

517
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Speaker 1: waive those things, which they did on the Reagan Amnesty

518
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Speaker 1: and invite the entire world. In you mentioned about black

519
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Speaker 1: Americans being left behind, there was a story in the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post. I sent it to you know, I've got

521
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Speaker 1: a chance to read it about farm workers and the

522
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Speaker 1: Department of Labor complaining you're getting complaints from farm workers

523
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Speaker 1: that once again they're going to have rotted vegetables in

524
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Speaker 1: the fields because they can't get access to illegal immigrants.

525
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Speaker 1: And if you read throughout the article, it says, well,

526
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Speaker 1: the best thing to possibly do is to lower the

527
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Speaker 1: threshold for legal labor so that they don't have to

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Speaker 1: earn more money than America ends. Is what they're actually

529
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Speaker 1: advocating for is a reduction in all these visas you

530
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Speaker 1: have to make more than the prevailing wages for Americans.

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Speaker 1: They want to reduce it where Americans they would have to.

532
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Speaker 2: Fight against the cheapest labor on Earth.

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Speaker 4: Right the the in theory, what the Trump administration is

534
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Speaker 4: doing is not letting in illegals to help the farmers,

535
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Speaker 4: but they are loosening the restrictions on the existing program

536
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Speaker 4: which has no numerical limits, the one a program where

537
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Speaker 4: farmers can hire uh immigrants for a year and let

538
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Speaker 4: in theory they go back home after the year. Question

539
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Speaker 4: whether that actually happens, but uh, they're they're they're they're

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Speaker 4: lowering the wage requirement and uh they're getting rid of

541
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Speaker 4: the obligation of the farmer to provide housing. And what

542
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 4: they want to do is make it year round. Right

543
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 4: now it's only year to seasonal crop.

544
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but.

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Speaker 4: First, it comes down that the basic complaint is not

546
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Speaker 4: the crops are riding in the fields. The basic complaint

547
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Speaker 4: is we want to lower the wage by thirty percent.

548
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Speaker 2: We can't.

549
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Speaker 4: We don't want to pay thirty percent more for these people.

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Speaker 4: And that's a much less sympathetic claim. You had Marjorie

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Speaker 4: Taylor Green on TV talking about the construction industry. Well,

552
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Speaker 4: she runs a construction company. Does she really think that

553
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Speaker 4: construction industry is going to grind to a halt because

554
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 4: Trump is to porting people. Is the construction industry grinding

555
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Speaker 4: to a halts? Do we see it anywhere grinding to halls?

556
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Speaker 3: No.

557
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Speaker 4: But if you run a business, it makes a big

558
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Speaker 4: difference to you if you have to pay thirty percent more.

559
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Speaker 4: That's painful for Marjorie Taylor Green. I don't really care

560
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Speaker 4: that much about Marjorie Taylor Green's thirty percent. I care

561
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 4: more about the wages of construction workers rising thirty percent,

562
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Speaker 4: and farm workers and all sorts of unskilled labors.

563
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Speaker 2: So it all comes down to money.

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Speaker 4: And it's bizarre that they think by lowering the wage

565
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Speaker 4: they will attract more workers. No, the lower wage you

566
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 4: attract fewer workers. It's the higher wage you attract more workers.

567
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Speaker 4: You just make it cheaper for the farmers to hire

568
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Speaker 4: more workers. And I'm sort of sympathetic to business. I

569
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Speaker 4: have friends who are in business. They say, you know,

570
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Speaker 4: like restaurant owners will say, if I have to pay

571
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Speaker 4: the dishwasher twelve dollars instead of eleven dollars, I go broke.

572
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Speaker 2: I'm out of business.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a friend who has who has I

574
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Speaker 4: have a friend who hires semi skills skilled, you know, seamstresses,

575
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Speaker 4: And she holds that line, you know, as much as possible,

576
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Speaker 4: because at some point your business becomes non viable if

577
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Speaker 4: the wages become too high. The restaurant industry in Los

578
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Speaker 4: Angeles is a good example. They've boosted the minimum waste

579
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Speaker 4: so high that restaurants are being replaced by takeout places.

580
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Speaker 4: So Gwyneth Paltrow has her takeout place. You go, you

581
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Speaker 4: pay her twenty dollars, you take the food home with you.

582
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Speaker 4: She doesn't have a restaurant. All she does is hand

583
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Speaker 4: you the food through door.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Uh.

585
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: Eliminates all those all those expenses. And that's the wave

586
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Speaker 4: of the future. The restaurant industry is shrinking of the

587
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Speaker 4: takeout food industry is growing.

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Speaker 2: Uh. I don't think we're at that stage.

589
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Speaker 4: We're just at the stage where a lot of farmers

590
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Speaker 4: would like to make more money and avoid having to automate.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And I don't have a lot of sympathy for that.

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Speaker 4: There are labor.

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Speaker 1: Labor costs are a relatively small percentage of what of

595
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Speaker 1: getting your food, of going from the farm to your table.

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Speaker 1: Labor is not the main driver. Energy is the main driver. Energy,

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Speaker 1: and you know, soil and animals and whatever those the

598
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Speaker 1: main driver. Labor is a fairly small percentage of the amount.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, you can get as many workers

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Speaker 1: as you want under the A two A visa. So

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Speaker 1: it's not like they're capped. It's not like there's a scarcity.

602
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Speaker 1: They just don't want to pay their own workers what

603
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Speaker 1: what they had to pay last year.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's it. And that's what the United farm Workers said.

605
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: The union said, you know, you just don't want to

606
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Speaker 4: pay our workers more. So I think that's right. You know,

607
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Speaker 4: there is some at some point, if we had a

608
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Speaker 4: we had to rely on farm labor, a waves would

609
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 4: be too high, farmers couldn't make it. But we don't

610
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Speaker 4: have to rely on farm labor. We can automate. Uh,

611
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Speaker 4: and that is clearly the wave of the future. And

612
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Speaker 4: you know Brook Rollins taught Brook Rowlands, Trump's secretary of Agriculture,

613
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Speaker 4: talks about how this is just temporary. We were going

614
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Speaker 4: to encourage businesses to automate, and this is we have

615
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Speaker 4: a transition planned. I'm not sure since here about that.

616
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Speaker 4: And the problem is that farmers have a powerful lobby,

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Speaker 4: especially the especially the non big farmers who are the

618
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Speaker 4: people closer to the margin. Maybe uh, And they're not

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Speaker 4: going to want to if they don't want to automate it,

620
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Speaker 4: they're going to lobby to extend it.

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Speaker 1: So at some point, yeah, well this is farmers don't

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Speaker 1: the small farmers don't usually take it much advantage of

623
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Speaker 1: the of the A two eight of the visa system.

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Speaker 1: It's the big ones, it's the one really, yes, the

625
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Speaker 1: small I've been to small farms. I've been to CSA

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Speaker 1: is Community Support and Agriculture. I mean they're most like hippie,

627
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: dippy white people who like you know, their yuppies, and

628
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: they're reading the Communist manifest on the weekends. I mean

629
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Speaker 1: that's that's genuinely that's tendinally the vibe and they're fine,

630
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Speaker 1: they're very very nice. They have whatever I didn't the

631
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Speaker 1: three times I've been to c Essas, I never saw

632
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Speaker 1: visa holders for and bees holders there to do to

633
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Speaker 1: you have this back to the earth experience or people

634
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Speaker 1: eating holistically. So I mean, that's that's what I've always witnessed.

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Speaker 1: It's most of the big ones.

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Speaker 4: When they talk about how onerous the requirements are, they

637
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: always tried out a small farmer who says, I can't

638
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Speaker 4: afford to provide housing for these people.

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Speaker 2: It would bankrupt me.

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Speaker 4: If you're an agro business, it's obviously not going to

641
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Speaker 4: bankrupt you to provide housing. You can achieve economies of scale.

642
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Speaker 4: So one thing that's interesting is if we do automate,

643
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Speaker 4: we'll let encourage further concentration of into big farms and

644
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Speaker 4: put small farms out of business.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not sure that's true.

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Speaker 4: Why wouldn't there just be a guy with a combine

647
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Speaker 4: who goes from farm to farm and he does your farm,

648
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Speaker 4: then he goes does your neighbor's farm, and he charges

649
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Speaker 4: you money. You don't have to buy the machine, And

650
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Speaker 4: that's the way it'll be in far small farms will

651
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Speaker 4: do perfectly fine.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would be a real if you could

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Speaker 1: do like a where you could rent where like see

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Speaker 1: when you need to I don't know, picking time whatever.

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Speaker 1: You could just rent the machine for the time and

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Speaker 1: have it just under the amount of wages you would

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Speaker 1: pay workers. Yeah, that's be a great business model. There's

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Speaker 1: so many obvious business models for somebody is that they

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Speaker 1: make money doing this. It's not it can't be impossible,

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Speaker 1: but it's far easier in the short term not to

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Speaker 1: automate than to automate. And there's resistance to it because

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Speaker 1: they don't want to automate. Do they make the AI

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Speaker 1: farm worker? Sorry, I said, wait till they make the

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Speaker 1: AI farm worker. I mean, I'm sure the AI farm

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Speaker 1: worker is already there.

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Speaker 2: Probably.

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Speaker 4: I went to my local market the other day and

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Speaker 4: they have a camera equipped with AI that sees when

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Speaker 4: people are slipping products into their pockets and then it

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Speaker 4: goes and busts them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they can do that.

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Speaker 4: They can they can, you know, spot whether a fruit

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Speaker 4: is ripe for picking or the fruit is not right

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Speaker 4: for picking. I'm pretty sure they already have that technology.

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Speaker 4: The weird thing is that's a transition. Okay, it's sort

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Speaker 4: of a painful transition to automation. At some point, we

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Speaker 4: got to do it. Trump has like four transitions going

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Speaker 4: on at once.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: He's got the immigrants sort of ripping themselves away from

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Speaker 4: their families, some of former citizens.

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Speaker 2: That's painful.

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Speaker 4: If he's got the business owners taking a cut, having

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Speaker 4: to pay twenty or thirty percent more, I'm sure for

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Speaker 4: Marjorie Taylor Green that's a that's a painful experience. He's

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Speaker 4: got this automation, farms shifted to automation. And the fourth

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Speaker 4: one is he has all the African Americans who have

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Speaker 4: been in government jobs, often bullshit government jobs, DEI jobs,

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Speaker 4: personnel jobs, HR jobs, who are now getting fired. Their

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Speaker 4: jobs are being eliminated, and they have they have to

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Speaker 4: find a new way into the middle class, a new

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Speaker 4: way into the workforce, and that itself is very painful.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So and Trump is doing all four of these

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Speaker 2: things at once. Okay, right.

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Speaker 4: You would think if you were like super brilliant, you

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Speaker 4: would do one at a time. But I guess Trump

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Speaker 4: it may there may be an argument that you know,

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Speaker 4: do it when you can.

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Speaker 2: Trump only has four years. He's got to do them

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Speaker 2: all at once.

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Speaker 1: Right now, It's true, there are the Times also an

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Speaker 1: article on the DEI government jobs or it was like

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Speaker 1: Trump's firing all these black workers and a lot of

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Speaker 1: them were DEI jobs. And you're like, Okay, how much

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Speaker 1: of a last twenty years have we spent as taxpayers

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Speaker 1: for these jobs that essentially we never needed.

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Speaker 2: It's probably quite a bit, right.

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Speaker 4: And we spent and we had community colleges that taught

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Speaker 4: people the bullshit subjects that qualified them for the bullshit jobs.

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Speaker 4: There's a huge investment in the bullshit jobs that is disappearing.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's it's a real thing. It's a real problem.

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Speaker 4: And you know, people like me expected the black wage

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Speaker 4: to go up as soon as the deportation started. That

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Speaker 4: did sort of happen, the wages for a six month

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Speaker 4: period or higher than they were under Biden. But the

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Speaker 4: last couple of months haven't been good. And everybody's waiting

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Speaker 4: for the new figures to come out in a couple

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Speaker 4: of days to see what happened.

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Speaker 2: But what's happening.

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Speaker 1: But this.

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Speaker 4: End of bullshit middle class jobs in the government is

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Speaker 4: a huge force in the other direction. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I understand, I mean, I sympathize with them,

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Speaker 1: but it is it is. I mean, the taxpayers are

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Speaker 1: putting up quite a big bill for a real long time.

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Speaker 4: I guess if I were going to postpone one transition,

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Speaker 4: I would postpone that one.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: The other problem is but the other problem is these

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Speaker 4: jobs aren't just useless, they're actually counter productive.

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Speaker 1: And they all vote against the president had they vote

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Speaker 1: it for him.

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Speaker 4: I mean every agency in government has a has a

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Speaker 4: you know, a civil rights mini civil rights division in it,

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Speaker 4: and their job isn't just to provide jobs for middle

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Speaker 4: class people who don't do any productive work. No, they

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Speaker 4: actively make trouble for the rest of the agency by

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Speaker 4: suing every time you hire somebody you should have hired

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Speaker 4: a minority, or you should have done this, or protecting

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Speaker 4: people who you want to fire you can't fire, So

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Speaker 4: the whole agency is less efficient. Not just that you're

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Speaker 4: wasting ten percent of your money, you're degrading the.

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Speaker 1: Entire government, right nickey? Where can people go to read

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Speaker 1: more about your stuff and listen to you?

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Speaker 4: I mostly tweet these days, and my handle iskow Smickey.

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Speaker 4: I have a substack like everybody else on the planet.

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Speaker 4: It's called Cow's files, but I only rite there when

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Speaker 4: I actually have something to say, which is very rarely

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Speaker 4: and and those are basically the two places to see

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Speaker 4: me it is. Don't you think it's weird that all

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Speaker 4: this anti deportation stuff is cropping up at once.

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Speaker 1: It makes it's all happen at the same time, and

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Speaker 1: it's all happening from the same spokespeople. I've known Marjorie

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Speaker 1: even before she got elected, but after she got elected,

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Speaker 1: before she got seed that I met her and I

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Speaker 1: talked to her specifically about this, and I listened to

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Speaker 1: that whole entry she had with Tim dillonmher. She talked

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Speaker 1: with immigration thing. There were points that she made that

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Speaker 1: were true, and there were points that she made that

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Speaker 1: I disagree with. And she said, you know, we need

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Speaker 1: a trans what she said with the immigration, we need

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Speaker 1: to transition these workers from from you know, too legal.

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Speaker 2: I just think that there's a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people who are first

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Speaker 1: time Trump voters, and it's like being on a roller

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Speaker 1: coaster the first for the first time, when you dip

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Speaker 1: the third the third time Trump supporters are all like

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Speaker 1: waving their hands in the screaming saying this is a

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Speaker 1: great time. And the first time Trump voters saying I

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Speaker 1: did not know what I signed.

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Speaker 2: Up for, But.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's not like he hid the term

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Speaker 1: mass deportation.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a secret. He couldn't have made it clear.

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Speaker 2: It was literally signs at the RNC.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, listens for more years.

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Speaker 1: He's got to keep it going, and I'm sure there's

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Speaker 1: intense pressure to make him stop, especially from the likes

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Speaker 1: people like Brooke Rollins. But you know, two point two

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Speaker 1: million illegals will up the country in six months through

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Speaker 1: self deportation. Mostly we have to just keep it up.

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Speaker 1: That numbers up before. I mean, if you want any

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Speaker 1: semblance of a country back, I agree. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Be on this podcast, Mickey, Okay, see you later. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to It's a Numbers Game with Ryan Grodski.

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Speaker 2: Will be right back.

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Speaker 1: Now. It's time for the ask Me Anything segment of

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Speaker 1: the podcast. If you want to be part of the

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Speaker 1: Ask Me Anything segment, email me Ryan at Numbers Game

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Speaker 1: Podcast dot com. That's Ryan at Numbers Game Podcast, Numbers

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Speaker 1: Plural Gamepodcast dot com. Love taking these questions. First one

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Speaker 1: comes from Cameron. He asked, is France screwed?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: I think he's mentioning is France is having a lot

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Speaker 1: of political instability. Listeners of this podcast, I told you

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Speaker 1: these votes were happening several weeks ago to pay attention.

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Speaker 1: And the French Prime Minister, Sebastian and that crew he left.

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Speaker 1: He collapsed the French government after twenty seven days of

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Speaker 1: holding the job. So the president had to appoint a

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Speaker 1: new prime minister and he appointed Sebastian Lacrue. Again, he

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Speaker 1: appointed the same guy who stepped down. Is France screwed? No,

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Speaker 1: Macron is screwed and the center is screwed. And what

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Speaker 1: I mean by that is forever in France or for

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Speaker 1: a living memory. In France, you had the center right,

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Speaker 1: the Centrist which is like the Macron Party, and the

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Speaker 1: center the Socialists. They were all governing France. And France

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Speaker 1: is a second They have the two rounds of their election, right,

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Speaker 1: so you have a first round where everyone runs, and

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Speaker 1: then you have a top two or top three, depending

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Speaker 1: on the miss pal you're running it. And the agreement

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Speaker 1: between the three major parties was we're going to block

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Speaker 1: the far left and we're going to block the National

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Speaker 1: Rally Marine La Penz party from ever winning seats. Eventually

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Speaker 1: Le Penn's party became so popular in certain regions they

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Speaker 1: were winning the first round. They didn't need an alliance.

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Speaker 1: And the same thing kind of happened with the very

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Speaker 1: far left, which is scouring of many many parties, so

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Speaker 1: that coalition cannot hold because the people supporting that coalition

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Speaker 1: aren't there anymore. They have left. The National Rally is

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Speaker 1: going to come in first place in the next presidential election,

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Speaker 1: the first round of it. And the Socialists, not the

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Speaker 1: Socialist but but the far left party if they are

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Speaker 1: all aligned behind a single person, which who knows, they

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Speaker 1: fight on breakup all the time. It is as like

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Speaker 1: Jlo and Ben Affle, like the French far left they

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Speaker 1: are they can never keep it together. But if they

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Speaker 1: have one candidate running for office, it is likely that

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Speaker 1: they will make the first round as well. The center

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Speaker 1: is done and mccron is coming to a place where

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Speaker 1: he's going to try to pass this budget, which needs

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Speaker 1: to be passed by December in France. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he has I don't see how he has the

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Speaker 1: votes for it. And what he doesn't want to do

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Speaker 1: is step down. If he resigns as president, then he

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Speaker 1: will have to he will be the first presidence to

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Speaker 1: Charles Degall to step down, and if he holds snap elections,

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Speaker 1: he will very likely end up in a position where

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Speaker 1: Jordan Bardella, the successor to Marine Lapenn, will be the

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Speaker 1: prime minister. And he's going to be the president who

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Speaker 1: ended the great Centrist and he was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: He was supposed to be Angela Marco was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be the leader of Europe. He was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: the man who held the center together. And he's going

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Speaker 1: to be the man who saw the center of Europe's

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Speaker 1: second biggest economy, the EU second biggest economy, turned to

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Speaker 1: either the far left or the far right. And if

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Speaker 1: it's the far right, and if it's hate, that time,

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Speaker 1: but if it's the if it's a national rally, you

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Speaker 1: will be in a position whereby before Trump's presidency ends

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Speaker 1: that France, Italy, Austria, the Netherlands, very likely Sweden, maybe Finland,

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Speaker 1: Poland possibly are all the Czech Republic are all far

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Speaker 1: right or nationalist parties. Great Britain will get there when

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Speaker 1: they have their next election, likely under Nigel Farage. And

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Speaker 1: then there's just Germany alone and it can't sustain it.

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Speaker 1: The center is what's collapsing in Europe and in France,

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Speaker 1: but France particularly interestingly enough, crazy thing. I don't think

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Speaker 1: this is going to happen, but it's worth saying because

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Speaker 1: I find it so Fascinating's de Barbone, who is the

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Speaker 1: direct descendant of King Louis the ninth. He is the

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Speaker 1: heir to the Barbone dynasty, said quote. He put out

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Speaker 1: a statement, The situation has never been so serious. The

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Speaker 1: Fifth Republic is on the verge of collapse. My family

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Speaker 1: has served France for centuries, and if France calls upon me,

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Speaker 1: I will be at its service. The d dispensable conditions

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Speaker 1: that France desires the return of the monarchy, a monarchy

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Speaker 1: above parties unifying.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that France is going to return to

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Speaker 1: a monarchy. If it does, I will geek out like

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Speaker 1: no one's business. We will have a full on monarchy episode.

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Speaker 1: It it will be I will be living for that

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Speaker 1: episode if it comes out. I don't think it's going

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Speaker 1: to but it would. It would interest me. A second question,

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Speaker 1: This is a great interesting question, something non political, which

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00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: I love from time to time. Hi, Ryan, I love

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00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: your podcast. Listen to it religiously. This is not need

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00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: to do with politics, but I hope I find it interesting. Lately,

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00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: I've been browsing animal shelters to adopt a new dog,

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00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: and almost everyone I've gone to online says their overcapacity.

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00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: Even private rescue say that they can't take in any

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Speaker 1: more animals. Our animal shelters in takes actually up nationwide.

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Speaker 1: And can you tell me what's contributing to this? Do

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00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: you see them as continue to go up or will

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Speaker 1: they go back down soon? I need to know, as

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Speaker 1: the guilt trip is getting bigger every time I go

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Speaker 1: on one of these websites. Have a great day, m

887
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Speaker 1: in Tennessee, And yes, they are going up.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I adopted my dog from a shelter in twenty twent

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Speaker 1: d when during COVID my friend was running a shelter

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Speaker 1: and they were closing known because of the coronavirus, and

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00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: they said, whatever dogs you don't get rid of, we

893
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Speaker 1: basically have to, you know, we might have to go

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Speaker 1: put them in a kill shelter or something like that.

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Speaker 1: And they send me a picture a tiny dog and

896
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: I said, oh, of course, I'll take him. How long

897
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Speaker 1: could COVID possibly last for? I'll just have him for

898
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Speaker 1: a few weeks and I'll give him back. And that

899
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Speaker 1: was five years ago, and he is still he's sleeping

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Speaker 1: right next to me right now. So that that happens.

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Speaker 1: So I have a shelter dog. Dogs are a lot

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Speaker 1: of work. Animals are a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of work. But they do give you, They do give.

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Speaker 1: You more love than a person that would and it's

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Speaker 1: unconditional anyway. But the answer is yes. They are facing

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Speaker 1: over crowding nationwide. In New York, the animal care centers

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Speaker 1: that they received more than one thousand animals per day.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times report of the shelter system in

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Speaker 1: New York would need to give up to a give

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Speaker 1: up about one thousand animals per week to meet capacity,

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Speaker 1: which is twice its normal limit. In twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: there were six point five million animals up for adoption.

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Speaker 1: The national intake had increased by almost a million per

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Speaker 1: year in the last year, while the amount of people

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Speaker 1: still getting animals is basically stalled. The puppy boom during

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Speaker 1: COVID has ended. I've read. I mean, this is all

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Speaker 1: you know, just pontification. But the analysis is that as

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Speaker 1: cost of living has increased, as the job market hasn't

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Speaker 1: been so wonderful. A lot of people can't afford it

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00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: as all moving into rental rental spaces as well, a

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Speaker 1: lot of renters do not want tenants to have animals

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Speaker 1: inside the house. So all of those things are the

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Speaker 1: reason why, but the cost living and also people got

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Speaker 1: animals during COVID and then they had to return to

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Speaker 1: the office, and then they couldn't leave an animal home

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Speaker 1: all day, ten hours a day in a cage, so

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Speaker 1: they had to get rid of them, and all those

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Speaker 1: things happened. So if you are interested in adopting a pet,

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Speaker 1: aga cat or whatever, then definitely do so because the

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Speaker 1: shelters need to get rid of these animals. And if

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Speaker 1: you can adopt over getting a dog from a breeder,

932
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Speaker 1: that is always wonderful. It's what I did not to

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Speaker 1: sound like a bleeding heart liberal, because apparently I don't

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Speaker 1: have a heart, but it would be if you can adopt,

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Speaker 1: adopt On Thursday. One last announcement before we wrap up

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Speaker 1: this show. On Thursday, I said, I'm doing a non

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Speaker 1: political episode. I am having my friend on, my friend

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Speaker 1: Giancarlo on. We are going to do a top ten

939
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Speaker 1: movie list of movies conservatives should watch and why I

940
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Speaker 1: think it'll be fascinating tune into that. If you like

941
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Speaker 1: this podcast, please like and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app,

942
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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts, and I will

943
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Speaker 1: speak to you guys on Thursday,