WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Jennifer Harris 0:00:46.480 --> 0:00:51.960 School of Humans. Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.360 case murders in an effort to raise public awareness invite 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.760 witnesses to come forward and present evidence that could potentially 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.960 be further investigated by law enforcement. While we value insights 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.160 from family and community members, their statements should not be 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.960 considered evidence and point to the challenges of verifying facts 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:14.000 inherent in cold cases. We remind listeners that everyone has 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.160 presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 0:01:17.960 --> 0:01:20.840 Nothing in the podcast is intended to state or imply 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.600 that anyone who has not been convicted of a crime 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.120 is guilty of any wrongdoing. Thanks for listening. 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.640 On Sunday May twelfth, two thousand and two, Mother's Day evening, 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.600 twenty eight year old Jennifer Harris had spent the day 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.560 with her family, and at six point thirty pm that night, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.720 she arrived at her friend Christy Farr's house in their hometown. 0:01:43.320 --> 0:01:44.840 Of Bond, Texas. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.920 Bonham is in the northeast corner of the state, near 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.880 the Oklahoma border. It was a rainy night, and Jennifer 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.280 and Christy were just relaxing and swapping recipes until around 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.920 eight pm. Apparently, Jennifer was wanting to make chicken spaghetti 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.240 when Jennifer told Christy that she had to go. Over 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:07.760 the years, Jennifer's family has publicly stated they believe she 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.000 was leaving to meet someone, but it's impossible to know 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:17.080 for sure. Jennifer, who was living with her grandmother temporarily 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:22.080 in Bonham, never came home. Later that night, a neighbor 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.840 walking their dog down a deserted country road twenty six' 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:30.440 ten Near Bonham lake saw a soft top green jeep 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.040 abandoned off the side of the. Road the neighbor didn't 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.480 think too much about it until the next, Day may, 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.920 thirteenth when they walked their dog again and saw the vehicle. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:44.560 Again after realizing that green jeep had been sitting out 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.720 there all, night the neighbor called the police to report. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.600 It the police ran the plates and determined that this 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:57.200 Was Jennifer harris's. Cheap After jennifer went, missing her Father, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:01.840 jerry a marine And vietnam, veteran started scouring the county back, 0:03:01.920 --> 0:03:05.960 roads getting more and more desperate and sleeping only a 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.800 few hours per. Night while he was out driving the dirt. 0:03:09.920 --> 0:03:13.320 Roads he even admitted that he looked for buzzards because 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.760 he believed that they could lead him to his daughter's. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:19.640 Remains that is a horrifying thing for any parent to 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.640 have to think, about But jerry was determined to keep 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:27.280 looking until his daughter was. Found six days, later a 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.000 fisherman Found jennifer's naked body floating in The Red. River 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:39.000 more than two decades, Later jennifer's murder remains. Unsolved I'm Catherine. 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.280 Townsend over the past eight years of making my true crime, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.760 Podcast Helling, Gone i've learned that there's no such thing 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.880 as a small town where murder never. 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Line 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.880 after the fishermen made that gruesome, discovery police started their. 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:11.720 Investigation jennifer was found In, oklahoma but because she went 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.960 missing from The texas, Side Fannin county got the case On, 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.680 Monday may, thirteenth after the green jeep was found abandoned 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.720 on that country. ROAD cbs reported that the vehicle was 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.440 parked down the road from a local music venue called The. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:30.400 Hodown jennifer's sister Told forty Eight hours that when she 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.560 got the call about the car being, found she remembered 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.320 wondering Why jennifer would leave her vehicle in that. Spot 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.000 the case went to The Texas, rangers and they have 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:45.600 said very little publicly about, it given almost no details 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.560 other than confirming the location near the, lake for. Example 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.960 they didn't say anything else about the condition of the, 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.680 cheap including whether there was blood found in, it or 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.520 signs of a, struggle or answering questions like were the 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.760 doors locked or? Unlocked were her keys? Inside we do know. That, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:07.240 unfortunately police didn't realize that the jeep belonged to a missing, 0:06:07.280 --> 0:06:10.440 person so they towed it before they went through it for. 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.800 Evidence jennifer's body was in the water for six days 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.800 before it was pulled out and forensically. Examined her body 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:22.680 was badly, decomposed and the medical examiner couldn't determine exactly 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.280 how she had, died but a Former Fannin county lieutenant 0:06:26.280 --> 0:06:29.760 who became a private investigator and worked With jennifer's, Family Darryl, 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.880 parker Told forty Eight hours That jennifer had a hugely 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:38.760 swollen right, eye and he said since bruising can't happen post, 0:06:38.840 --> 0:06:41.880 mortem he believed that this was evidence that someone Hit 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:46.120 jennifer in the. Head the condition Of jennifer's body meant 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.120 that medical examination was. DIFFICULT cbs reported that the medical 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:54.400 examiner could not establish a precise cause of. Death, however 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.840 the Official Texas rangers listing stated that the medical examiner 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.520 labeled the cause of death as homicidal. 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.760 Violence so Did jennifer park her car? 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.920 There or did someone else park her car where it 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.400 was found? Later is there more About jennifer's movements that 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.920 we can figure out from the location of her body 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:14.440 and her? 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:14.800 Car? 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.800 ALSO i wondered Could jennifer's body have floated to where 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.720 she was? FOUND i found out the answer is probably. 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.800 Not The Texas Water Development board Describes Lake bonham as 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.440 being On Timber, creek which is a tributary of another 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.440 creek that's a tributary of The Red, river so there 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:39.200 is a watershed. Connection but from the, map it appears 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.400 that a body could not reasonably float From Lake bonham 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:43.720 through those creeks to The Red. 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:45.160 River that would be. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:49.800 A really different and much less plausible, path involving smaller, waterways, 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.880 obstructions shallow, areas and a lot of. Distance so based 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.200 on the, geography the more plausible scenario is that someone 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.960 Placed jennifer's body in The Red, river likely upstream of 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.760 or near where she was later, recovered and the current 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:08.000 moved her until that fisherman found. Her The Red river 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.600 forms the northern boundary Of Fannin, county and it flows 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.560 generally eastward along The Texas oklahoma, Border so if her 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.240 body was found on The oklahoma, side that is consistent 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.960 with her body being placed in the river or along a. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:23.920 Bank and then moving with the. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:28.920 Current so was the location of the cheap a meeting 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.120 point while the body disposal happened separately on The Red. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.800 River Jerry, Harris jennifer's, father has stated to media That 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.640 jennifer's car keys were never. Found he said back in 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.040 two thousand and nine that he had raised some questions 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.760 about crucial evidence that he claimed was, missing including a 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.920 set of keys that he believed could have Been jennifer's and. 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:55.480 CLOTHING a few days After jennifer, disappeared a man found 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:58.640 a set of. Keys he told detectives the keys had been, 0:08:58.680 --> 0:09:02.400 found and he left them on his porch for detectives to. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.560 Take he later said they were removed from where he placed, 0:09:05.560 --> 0:09:09.800 them yet they were never entered as. Evidence Jerry harris 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.960 said the description of those keys seemed to match the 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.800 keys That jennifer, carried And jerry felt like the place 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.480 where the keys were left may provide details about Where 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.600 jennifer was. Assaulted While jerry was searching the area after 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:28.160 his daughter went, Missing jerry found something. Else he found 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.120 clothes he feels might have belonged to his daughter in 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:32.280 a creek along The Red. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.120 River according TO. 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:38.560 Wfaatv jerry said he found a, blouse, jeans and a, 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.320 bra and he said he had turned all that clothing 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:45.520 into the sheriff's, office and somehow all of those items. 0:09:45.560 --> 0:09:51.040 Disappeared christie's house was Near Lake, bonham Where jennifer's jeep was, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.520 found but investigators haven't explained Whether jennifer left her car 0:09:55.560 --> 0:09:58.280 there and got into a vehicle with someone, else or 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.040 if they believe that whoever was meeting her that night 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.160 might have met her. There so really there are two 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.960 crime scenes and forty Eight hours reported That Darryl, parker 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.720 THE pi who worked With jennifer's, family talked about another 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.760 clue that he believed could help narrow down Where jennifer 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:19.280 went into the. Water he said investigators found blue mud 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.720 On jennifer's, body mud that he Claimed fisherman said occurred 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.280 in only two spots on the river within several, miles 0:10:26.680 --> 0:10:29.640 which he believed could point toward a narrower section of. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:34.000 Riverbank the geography does suggest that the jeep and the 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.240 body recovery scene may not be the same, spot and 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.360 the real question is who would have had reason and 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:44.360 ability to move Between Lake Bonham COUNTY roa twenty six 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:49.240 ten and The Red River disposal area before, that, though 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.240 we need to back up and try to figure out 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:57.360 who would want to Kill Jennifer harris and. Why jennifer 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.200 was born On october twenty, third nineteen seventy, three In. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:04.640 Bonham she spent her whole life In Fannin county with her, Mother, 0:11:04.680 --> 0:11:09.680 alicia her younger Sister alissa and her, Father. Jerry jennifer was. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.480 Striking she had red hair and brown, eyes and was 0:11:12.560 --> 0:11:15.480 popular and athletic At Bonham High, school where she played 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.520 tennis and was a. Cheerleader there was a forty eight 0:11:19.560 --> 0:11:21.840 hours episode about this case a few years back in 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.680 twenty eighteen Called murder on The Red. River they Interviewed 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:29.280 jennifer's younger, Sister, alissa who Remembered jennifer as being, funny, 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:33.560 affectionate and she said larger than, life a little Like Lucille. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:39.360 Ball alissa Said jennifer was. Restless she described her as a. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.760 Dreamer she Said jennifer wanted to move out of her 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.280 small town to a bigger. City of, course police began 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.520 looking into what was going on In jennifer's life at 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.920 the time she went Missing, anne who was connected to, 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.240 her and it turned out That jennifer had a messy love. 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.200 Life she had a. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:00.440 Complicated relationship with two, men her ex Husband Rob holman 0:12:00.680 --> 0:12:06.000 and her ex Boyfriend James. Hamilton both men voluntarily spoke with, 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.720 investigators and neither of these men have been arrested or 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:14.000 charged in connection With jennifer's, death And james And rob 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:18.880 have both completely denied any involvement in her. Killing Rob 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.320 holman Was jennifer's first. Love they started, dating according to 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.520 forty Eight, hours when she was in the sixth or seventh. 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.280 Grade they fell in love and were together all through high, 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.000 school but after high School jennifer And rob seemed to 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.200 have different. Plans jennifer did end. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:34.800 Up leaving her. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.680 Hometown she moved away to go to college At STEPHEN. 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.320 F Austin State university In nakadochi's where she got her 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.520 bachelor's degree in aquatic biology and her master's degree in, 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:49.720 kinesiology wellness and. Attrition according to her, obituary she also 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:54.440 had an interest In Native american. Culture, Eventually jennifer moved To, 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.680 dallas And, rob who worked as a, landscaper joined her 0:12:57.680 --> 0:13:01.200 there and they got. Married they bought a house together In, 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.760 dallas But rob seemed to never really feel at home, 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.160 there and they argued Because rob wanted to move back To, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:12.280 Bonham jennifer wanted to stay In. Dallas this is all 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.440 according to what her family told forty Eight. Hours her 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.480 Sister elisa told forty Eight hours that she believed That 0:13:19.560 --> 0:13:23.000 jennifer was quote growing and evolving and moving forward in 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.920 her life And rob was stuck and he just wasn't 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:31.120 going to change end. Quote jennifer had always been into, health, pilates, 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.240 yoga and, hiking and she decided to go to school 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:35.280 to become a massage. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.200 Therapist rob went back To. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.760 Bonham jennifer was In dallas at massage, school and it 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.440 was while she was in school. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:43.000 That she Met James. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:47.480 Hamilton alyssa said That jennifer And james fell in, love 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.080 but there was a. Problem according To forty Eight, Hours 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.080 james already had a girlfriend and they had a child, 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.680 together and his girlfriend was pregnant with their second, child 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.880 so when they first became, Involved james was still living 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.560 with his pregnant girlfriend And jennifer was still married To. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:09.160 Rob rob told police That jennifer was hot tempered and 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.000 that she was the one who would go off on, 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.720 him not the other way. Around he said she would 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.000 try to hit, him and he would sometimes grab her 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.320 and try to restrain. Her the following clips are From 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:25.480 Rob holman's interview on forty Eight. Hours not temper were 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:32.760 very generally her way. Nowhere sometimes they grab, her wrap her. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:33.320 Up and keep. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:38.640 Hid jennifer And rob split, up and she And james 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.360 opened a massage studio and wellness therapy center together In, Frisco, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:47.240 texas and Eventually james And jennifer moved in. Together, Now 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.400 jennifer And james were more free to be. Together they 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.920 had started a business together and now they were partners 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.680 at work as well as in. Life but things didn't 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.640 stay blissful for. Long jerry said That james wanted to Marry, 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:04.680 jennifer but she was more, hesitant So jennifer And james got. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:10.000 Together jennifer And rob, divorced But jennifer And rob were still. Talking, 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:15.680 Meanwhile jennifer's relationship With james was becoming more. Rocky their business, 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.320 failed which Led jennifer to have financial problems and file for. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:23.800 Bankruptcy jennifer told at least one family member that she 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.640 started talking To rob, again but again there was a 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.560 complication Because rob was seeing someone else and had a new. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.840 Girlfriend rob later told police that even though he was 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.000 in a new relationship in living with his, girlfriend that Since, 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.800 christmas in the five months Before jennifer went, missing that 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.840 he And jennifer had had sex several times four five. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:51.600 Times it was fruit. Yeah police also Asked rob if 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.680 he had Seen jennifer on the last day that she was, 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:58.360 Alive may. Twelfth rob said, no but he did say 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.760 That jennifer had called him On Mother's day and wanted 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.840 to see, him but he said that he said he 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.480 couldn't do. It rob said that he had plans with 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:11.000 his girlfriend that. Day he had plans For gril friend 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.760 she get re up six d Mother. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:15.480 Jay how would come. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:21.040 Over rob told investigators that he deliberately stayed out that 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.960 day to avoid meeting up With jennifer and to avoid any. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:28.320 Conflict police looked Into james And rob's alibis For may. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.920 Twelfth james told police that he was fifty miles Away adam, 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:36.640 McDonald's but police later admitted there was some question about 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:41.520 Whether james's alibi had been properly. Vetted james also reportedly 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.160 took and passed a lot of detector Test rob's alibi 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.680 was harder to verify because he told police that during 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.280 the crucial window of time When jennifer went missing on 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.040 the night Of may, twelve that he was out driving 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.640 around and according to the interview reported by forty Eight, 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.600 Hours rob told police that he went to buy some 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.520 beer and then went over to a friend's, house but 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.160 he said those friends weren't, home so he just kind 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:11.520 of drove around. Aimlessly rob said that he was out, 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.400 alone driving around on back roads for several. Hours when 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.280 police asked if he had Seen, Jennifer rob said, no 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.080 but Later rob said that he had seen a jeep 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.320 near a stop sign and blinking traffic. Light he said 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.080 that it was in front of him and coming from. 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:31.720 Town rob told investigators that he saw that jeep right 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:32.920 before he headed to buy. 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.960 BEER i was on eight ninety. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.880 Eight didn't, stop so sadly. Elmthrop THEN i turned over 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:41.480 she could promo to. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.520 Come up from table while. 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.200 It investigators were Questioning rob and trying to put all this, 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.520 Together they figured out there might have been something else 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.560 On jennifer's. Mind on That Mother's, day a friend Of 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:58.280 jennifer's told police That jennifer had told her that she 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.080 was pregnant and that the baby Was. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:16.320 Rob's rob admitted to. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.200 Police That jennifer had told him that she was pregnant 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.520 with his, child but he said that it wasn't on that. 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.160 Day rob Said jennifer had told him she was pregnant 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.440 about a month before she went. Missing he claimed That 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.840 jennifer had not looked pregnant to him at the. Time 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.760 she said, that and he said he did not believe 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:35.680 that she was expecting a. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.640 Baby she told him that she was pregnant in this. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:43.360 Time did you believe she was? PREGNANT i didn't think she. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:48.120 About forensic experts were not able to confirm whether or 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:53.880 Not jennifer was pregnant Because jennifer's uterus was. Missing this 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.920 led to more rumors flying around because some media coverage 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.880 has Described jennifer's uterus as being cut out or, removed 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.880 but that would seem to imply That jennifer's uterus was 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.120 cut out or removed by her, killer which is a shame, 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:13.240 because in my, opinion those sensational headlines take away from 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.960 the facts of the case and they have the potential 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:20.240 to get people off. Track forensic examination In dallas would 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:24.720 later conclude That jennifer's missing uterus was not cut, out 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.080 but that her uterus and other body parts were destroyed 0:19:28.120 --> 0:19:33.600 by animal, activity primarily river. Turtles but that didn't stop 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.440 people in a small town from saying that it was 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.600 the killer that had cut out her, uterus and that 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.160 was not the only erroneous and graphic rumor that spread 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.680 about this. Case there were a lot of rumors about 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.360 who the father Of jennifer's baby could, be and some 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.600 of them weren't about her ex husband or her ex. 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:55.120 Boyfriend some of them were actually focused on the district 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:59.320 attorney at the, Time Miles. Porter Miles porter was in 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:03.040 charge Of jennifer's. Case he later Told forty Eight hours 0:20:03.360 --> 0:20:05.680 that he had heard rumors that he had been romantically 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.000 involved With jennifer and that because of that he supposedly 0:20:09.120 --> 0:20:13.120 intentionally botched the, case which he insisted was completely. Untrue 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:17.720 he said he had never even Met. Jennifer miles explained 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.080 that some people in town had a grudge against him 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.080 because they didn't like the way you'd handled a case 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.920 in the, past and so they made rumors up to hurt. 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.680 Him which he said. 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.240 Worked he said that because of the rumors About jennifer's, 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:35.720 case he basically had to leave his. Job other than 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.240 the possible, pregnancy was there anything else going on In 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.680 jennifer's life that could have led to her being a. 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:46.280 Target when police Asked rob if his new girlfriend knew 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.600 about the baby or That jennifer was claiming to be, 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:54.320 Pregnant rob said, no but In rob's interview with, Police 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.720 rob told investigators That jennifer had stated to him multiple 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:01.920 times she was going over To rob's girlfriend's house to 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:05.760 tell her about the. Baby but, Again jennifer's conflict With 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.640 rob was not the only conflict that had happened in 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.520 her life. Recently for, Example jennifer's father wondered could there 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:16.320 have been a financial motive For jennifer's. Homicide she had 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.880 recently had the massage business that she ran With james go, 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.800 under And jennifer was the one who had signed off 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.760 on all the, loans so losing that money meant that 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:26.880 she had to file for. 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.480 Bankruptcy while forty. 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.400 Eight hours was investigating back in twenty, eighteen they talked 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:36.080 To Joe, mora an investigator and consultant FOR cbs who 0:21:36.120 --> 0:21:39.720 looked into this. Case Joe morris said that he found 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:43.280 a lot of irregularities in the, investigation including the fact 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:47.880 that when police were Questioning Robin, james they mirandized both 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.480 men before the, questioning which he said was unheard. Of 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.320 And joe pointed out another piece of evidence that he 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:58.680 believed may have been. Crucial one year After jennifer's, MURDER 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.720 a woman Named Deborah, lambert who had seen a news 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.040 report about the unsolved, case told detectives she had been 0:22:05.120 --> 0:22:09.000 driving across The Red River bridge On Mother's day when 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.680 she saw a young woman with reddish brown hair and 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:15.040 two men who she said were restraining the woman and 0:22:15.120 --> 0:22:19.240 holding her by her. Elbow deborah said she made eye 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.440 contact with the woman and that the woman had a 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.440 scared look on her, face and that her, mom who 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.600 apparently was also in the vehicle with, her said that 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.320 girl's fixing to get raped and, killed but Neither deborah 0:22:31.360 --> 0:22:34.080 nor her mother called the. Police she later said she 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.040 was afraid to get involved and the timing seemed to 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.840 be a little bit. Off deborah said that she had 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.920 seen this trio at a round FIVE, pm but detectives 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.520 believed That jennifer left her friend's house hours later at 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:51.120 around EIGHT. PM a year and a half After jennifer's, 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:54.800 murder The Texas rangers launched their own investigation into the, 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:58.520 case and as part of their, investigation they Brought Deborah 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.040 lambert in to talk to. Her they asked her to 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:04.840 do a police. Lineup police Asked deborah if she recognized 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:06.720 any of the men in the, lineup and according to 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:11.560 forty eight, hours she Identified Rob. Holman but without the case, 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:15.400 file it's not clear exactly how the lineup was done 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:20.000 if they followed proper, procedure so it's really hard to 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.320 know how much weight to put on a police. Lineup 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.760 in two thousand and, five The Texas rangers suspended their 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:31.120 investigation because they said they had no physical, evidence no 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:35.520 specific cause of, death or credible. Witnesses then in twenty, 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:40.320 Seventeen Sheriff Mark johnson said That rob And james were 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.080 the two people who he considered to be at the 0:23:43.120 --> 0:23:47.080 top of his investigative, list but, again Neither rob Nor 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:51.920 james were. Charged there's a lot we don't know about 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:55.640 How jennifer. Died some reports have said homicidal violence with, 0:23:55.640 --> 0:24:02.240 strangulation but investigators did openly wonder If jennifer's pregnancy could 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:06.800 be a possible. Motive because If jennifer was, pregnant who 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:10.240 did she believe the father, was which brings us back 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.440 to one of the central questions of the. Investigation one 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.360 of the only things that police have made public is 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.800 that they Believe jennifer was meeting someone that. 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:20.560 Night the question is. 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:26.760 Who in twenty, Seventeen the case got another public boost 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:30.760 when the New Fannin County, Sheriff Mark johnson took a 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:35.040 look At jennifer's. Case Mark johnson said publicly he was 0:24:35.120 --> 0:24:35.840 shocked when he. 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:36.440 Saw that case. 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:40.080 File he described it as being, thin with very few documents. 0:24:40.120 --> 0:24:43.400 Inside he learned that over the, years evidence had been 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.960 stored in, pods and some of those, pods which were 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:51.960 apparently kept behind the police, station, leaked meaning that tragically 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:56.720 records and evidence got water. Damaged some items were completely. 0:24:56.840 --> 0:25:01.040 Destroyed the sheriff attributed at least part of that failure 0:25:01.120 --> 0:25:05.760 to the department's inexperience and to inadequate. Training but then 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:09.440 there were the other pieces of, evidence Like jennifer's laptop 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:11.400 and her cell phone that weren't. 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:12.800 Damaged they were just. 0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:17.000 Gone there was a podcast Called Final days On earth 0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:21.400 that covered what allegedly happened to the. Laptop Darryl parker 0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:24.600 spoke to the host of that, Podcast Clara, santamont and 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:26.680 said that the laptop had been turned over to THE. 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:31.600