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Speaker 1: Many types of alcohol have rebranded, refined, or looked for

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Speaker 1: but not rum. Now the brand ten to one is

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Speaker 1: looking to change that. It is launching here in the UK,

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Speaker 1: having won a Hall of accolades in the beverages world

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Speaker 1: has Britain Mark's Black History Month this October. Joining me

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Speaker 1: now in studio is Bloomberg Reported tia Adebayo, who spotted

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Speaker 1: this story, and Mark Cuasey Fowl, who is founder and

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Speaker 1: CEO of ten to one Rum. Mark Cuaisey, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Thank you for your time. Just first ye

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about the product, how you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, first of all, thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: having me on the program. You know, I'm somebody who's

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Speaker 2: that's been a big part of the inspiration for ten

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Speaker 3: You know, I looked at the category.

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Speaker 2: First as a consumer with a bit of a point

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Speaker 3: Of frustration really believing that RUM.

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Speaker 4: So you've successfully launched this reimagination of RUM in the US.

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Speaker 4: Now you're expanding to the UK. What sort of differences

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: But if you have a friend who's from the Caribbean,

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Speaker 2: An incredibly rich cultural tapestry. There's ra de vive, the spontaneity,

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Speaker 2: It hasn't presented as an issue for US just yet

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Speaker 2: And with that sort of support, was that sort of

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Speaker 4: Successful Staying with that theme of di in the States,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I think you know they're opportunity for everyone

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'll see that as a former executive at Starbucks,

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Speaker 2: I don't think every company gets it right all the

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Speaker 2: But overall, I would say my experience there was was

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Speaker 3: It's a good place to end.

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Speaker 2: So you know, with ten to one, one of the

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Speaker 2: hall marks of our is it's versatility where we're creating

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Speaker 2: these exceptional pan Caribbean blends, bringing RUMs together from Trinidad, Barbados, Jamaica,

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Speaker 2: And with that versatility, we encourage folks to experience to

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mark crazy Foul, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 1: us and for your recommendations. Mark Crazy Fowl is the

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Speaker 1: founder and CEO of ten to one Rum and Tiblinberg

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Speaker 1: Reported too Audabaya, Thank you so much for joining me

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Speaker 1: on this story, for bringing it to our attention as

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Speaker 1: the UK, of course, marks at Black History Month also

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Speaker 1: this month. Thank you