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Speaker 1: Hey Colts fans. I'm JJ Stankovitz and welcome into another

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Speaker 1: episode of the cult show in Indianapolis Colts podcast. We

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Speaker 1: are presented by our friends at Microsoft Surface co Pilot

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Speaker 1: plus PC. Coming up on today's episode, I had a

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Speaker 1: chance to have a really good conversation with Jordan rod Rieg,

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Speaker 1: senior writer from The Athletic. She wrote a feature profile

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Speaker 1: on carly Ers Gordon that went out in late December,

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Speaker 1: and then she and Zach Kiefer co bylined a story

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Speaker 1: in The Athletic that went out on Tuesday as an

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Speaker 1: explainer as to why carly Ers Gordon Colts owner and

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Speaker 1: CEO decided to retain general manager Chris Ballard and head

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Speaker 1: coach Shane Stike, and wanted to pick her brain on

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Speaker 1: her perspective on that kind of deliver that to you guys.

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Speaker 1: I know the episode's coming out a little bit later

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Speaker 1: in the week than it usually does. We wanted to

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Speaker 1: make sure we could get Jordan on here to have

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Speaker 1: a nice interesting discussion about the direction the Colts are

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Speaker 1: going now that they have decided to keep Chris Ballard

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Speaker 1: and Shane Steichen in their current posts. Without further ado,

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Speaker 1: let's get to my conversation with Jordan rod Rieg from

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Speaker 1: The Athletic. It is my pleasure to be welcomed here

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Speaker 1: on the Colt Show by Jordan rod Rieg, senior NFL

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Speaker 1: writer for The Athletic, co host of the NFL Daily

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Speaker 1: podcast with Greg Rosenthal. You can get that wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. And Jordan is on this podcast because

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Speaker 1: she wrote two outstanding stories about Carliers Gordon. The first

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Speaker 1: was a feature story that went out on The Athletic

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Speaker 1: on December thirtieth with the headline all eyes are on

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Speaker 1: the NFL's most atypical owner. Where will her curiosity lead her? Next?

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Speaker 1: A fantastic profile of carlier A Gordon as a role

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Speaker 1: as owner and CEO of the Colts. And then Jordan

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Speaker 1: and Zach Keefer wrote a story on Tuesday of this

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Speaker 1: week behind carlier Sa Gordon's decision to give GM Chris

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Speaker 1: Ballard one last shot. So bring in Jordan on to

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Speaker 1: talk about carlier Sa Gordon. Really excited for this conversation. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the pod.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me, and also like

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Speaker 2: thank you to Indianapolis and the Colts for having me.

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Speaker 3: In the first week of December.

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Speaker 2: I had such a warm not temperature wise, it was

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Speaker 2: and everybody was very gracious with their time. The city

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Speaker 2: was buzzing because the Hoosiers were about to play, and

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Speaker 1: So, Jordan, you spent I think it was four days

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Speaker 3: That right, Devin, Yes, Okay, a whole week here.

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Speaker 1: You spent reporting on the story that went out on

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Speaker 1: December thirtieth, and you were you were in the building,

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Speaker 1: you were talking to a ton of people. This was

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Speaker 1: leading up to, unfortunately for us, the Jaguars game where

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones sustained a torn achilles. But what did what

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Speaker 1: to go? What maybe hit your brain first about carly

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Speaker 2: Well, for me, it was how everything felt right now

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Speaker 3: But at that time, it was like, this.

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Speaker 2: Is what the Colts would look like without that injury, right,

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Speaker 2: And so when I was there, I was really interested

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Speaker 2: executives that I've talked to that have crossed paths with her,

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Speaker 2: that's very very interesting.

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Speaker 3: This is a person.

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Speaker 3: And so I was very curious about that.

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Speaker 2: I came away with this even before speaking with Carly,

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Speaker 2: high level of emotional intelligence too. When I was in

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Speaker 2: Was really impressed by how much that building holds at

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Speaker 2: And it reminds me of that like laser beam that

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Speaker 3: This crazy singular directiveness that it's very hard to explain.

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Speaker 2: I did my best in the story, but it is

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Speaker 1: I think something that you included in the article the

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Speaker 1: idea of Carly operating with curiosity but without judgment or

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Speaker 1: jumping to conclusions. Why was that an important line for

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Speaker 3: All, I felt it from her because it was like

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Speaker 2: We were having a conversation in a way that felt

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Speaker 2: which I found very refreshing. You don't get that talking

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Speaker 3: For the fish, not to drown the fish.

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Speaker 2: So you're filling the room. You're filling the space with

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Speaker 2: And that's where I really that's what I really got

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Speaker 1: But before we get into because I do want to

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Speaker 1: You mentioned, you know, talking to other owners around the league,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question.

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Speaker 2: I mean, especially too beyond the very obvious like physical elements,

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Speaker 2: But it's it's like this this willingness to immerse in

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Speaker 2: That's football and kind of being one of the people

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Speaker 2: You know, it was funny when I came in, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's no way we can even explain this in the article.

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Speaker 2: But she was on the Thursday liquid routine of the

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Speaker 2: to build the dictionary first before you can start putting

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Speaker 2: words together in it, and so that takes a ton

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Speaker 2: of time.

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Speaker 3: The number one reason to me.

445
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Speaker 2: Truly bad teams stay bad is because they keep turning

446
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Speaker 2: those departments over and they don't take long enough first

447
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Speaker 2: of all, they if they don't make the right decision

448
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Speaker 2: in the first place, and second of all, if they

449
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Speaker 2: keep turning that those departments over that jumbles up the

450
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Speaker 2: language you're incongruous with how you want to try to

451
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Speaker 2: identify and build a team. And then it's just nobody's

452
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Speaker 2: really understanding each other on the same talent evaluation level, right.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's that's part of it.

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Speaker 2: I also think that the stakes I believe her when

455
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Speaker 2: she says the stakes are really really high, you know,

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Speaker 2: not doing an extension, having it becoming like kind of

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Speaker 2: a prove it year for both of these guys after

458
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Speaker 2: you know, the very very high hopes of the start

459
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Speaker 2: of the season descended into disappointment.

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Speaker 3: I think that is a very telling and.

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Speaker 2: Important piece of this for impatient fans to to think about.

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Speaker 2: It's not rushing to make a decision, the lack of decision.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it might seem like a decision was made,

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Speaker 2: But to me, it feels like not a lack of decision.

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Speaker 3: It feels like waiting.

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Speaker 2: It feels like a little bit more patience, gathering more

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Speaker 2: data before making a decision. That's what I see on

468
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Speaker 2: the outside, as it pertains to I guess if you

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Speaker 2: want to call it aion to not move on from

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Speaker 2: either one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: When Carly talked about, you know, there's this high sense

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Speaker 1: of urgency, I think you kind of just spoke on it.

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Speaker 1: But she also talked about, you know, expecting that Chris

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Speaker 1: and Shane can replicate the success this team had over

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Speaker 1: the first ten weeks. That was with Daniel Jones being

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Speaker 1: completely healthy. Daniel told us on Monday he expects to

477
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Speaker 1: be backed by the start of training camp with the Achilles.

478
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Speaker 1: Now the Cold still have to get a deal done

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones for him to be back. He is

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Speaker 1: an impending free agent. But do you, like, how do

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Speaker 1: you view the charge to like replicate that success? Is

482
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Speaker 1: that realistic for these guys? Is it achievable for them

483
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Speaker 1: to reach that to then achieve the goals that set

484
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Speaker 1: out by carl Ors Gordon for them?

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Speaker 2: It's a great question because I think what solid teams do,

486
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Speaker 2: what teams with good with Like I said, I feel

487
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Speaker 2: like use the word a lot, but like with good

488
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Speaker 2: process do is they think about windows of time and

489
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Speaker 2: and they try to understand what it will take to

490
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Speaker 2: maximize certain windows of time or to completely restart in

491
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Speaker 2: other windows of time when I think they look at

492
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Speaker 2: this roster right now, and I think a lot of

493
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Speaker 2: people around the league would agree this is still a

494
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Speaker 2: It's not a rebuild, you know, It's like it's a

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Speaker 2: ready to win roster, and you probably have a couple

496
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Speaker 2: maybe a year or two years left on some of

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Speaker 2: the more veteran players who have been high level contributors

498
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Speaker 2: on this roster. You probably have to get younger and

499
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Speaker 2: fresher and very quickly in other parts of this roster.

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Speaker 2: But you know that this offense and many elements of

501
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Speaker 2: this defense are ready to win games, and so then

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Speaker 2: you think about what takes that type of roster, what

503
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Speaker 2: pieces are still missing. Well, the quarterback questioned looms so large.

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Speaker 2: I think that a huge and probably understated element of

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Speaker 2: feeling like this can work and they can push one

506
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Speaker 2: more year of this particular team build to see how

507
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Speaker 2: much it's got in the tank. A huge element of

508
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Speaker 2: this is that Riley Leonard looks so good when he played,

509
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Speaker 2: and I think having a healthy Riley Leonard as a

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Speaker 2: maybe a spot starter early on in the season. You

511
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Speaker 2: do not want to rush Daniel Jones back from an achilles.

512
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Speaker 2: You see it with Kirk Cousins. You see, you're stuck

513
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Speaker 2: in the pistol all day every day. You don't want

514
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Speaker 2: to be stuck there. And like you see this empirical

515
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Speaker 2: proof that you should not be rushing these quarterbacks back

516
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Speaker 2: from that quickly, even though the medical process is like

517
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Speaker 2: a miracle now with how fast that you can get

518
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Speaker 2: these things to heal.

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Speaker 3: But I think Riley playing at the level.

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Speaker 2: That he did, you at least see okay, you can

521
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Speaker 2: spot September right, like you can see you can get

522
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Speaker 2: an on ramp going for if Daniel Jones does return,

523
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Speaker 2: like you could see the vision of this team being

524
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Speaker 2: at least at least at the you know, the middle

525
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Speaker 2: of the league league, if not higher because of the

526
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Speaker 2: talent elsewhere on the roster. And then you're trying to

527
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Speaker 2: just maximize out however you can this roster and this

528
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Speaker 2: and this, I guess this era of the team build

529
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Speaker 2: that they're in and if it works, then again you're

530
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Speaker 2: competing at a high level. And if it doesn't work,

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Speaker 2: then you know you have to rebuild. And you have

532
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Speaker 2: and tell in my opinion, the trade deadline that year

533
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Speaker 2: to really understand can can we do this this year

534
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Speaker 2: or is it time to start moving moving players and

535
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Speaker 2: recouping assets. And at that point is it time to

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Speaker 2: start having real another conversation with the GM.

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Speaker 3: And the head coach.

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Speaker 1: That's a really really interesting perspective there, you know, certainly

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Speaker 1: for Colts fans to think about as we kind of

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Speaker 1: move forward here. Jordan, your national perspective on this has

541
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Speaker 1: been fascinating. I want to get you out of here

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Speaker 1: on this as you you know, will over the course

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Speaker 1: of your career. Now, I'm sure keep tabs on, you know,

544
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Speaker 1: the the growth that Carlier S. Gordon has as owner

545
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Speaker 1: and C of this franchise. What maybe excites you about

546
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Speaker 1: the long term direction that the Colts can take. This

547
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: isn't about twenty twenty six or twenty twenty eight or

548
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Speaker 1: twenty thirty. It's a much more broad question about the

549
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Speaker 1: direction of the Indianapolis Colts under Carl Er SA Gordon.

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Speaker 1: What maybe interests you or excites you about following that

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Speaker 1: story over decades?

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I love that question because here's like a

553
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Speaker 2: theory of mine, right Like, I think this is legit.

554
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Speaker 3: I think this is the real deal.

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Speaker 2: I think I know a lot of other people around

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Speaker 2: the league think that as well.

557
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Speaker 3: But I know that there's something.

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Speaker 2: Deeper here that is prioritized, especially with Carly and Klein

559
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Speaker 2: and Casey, is being that being a new model of

560
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: what a franchise can look like, and being competitive and

561
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: getting back into the conversation every year, right, but not

562
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Speaker 2: losing your soul and not becoming this monolithic organization, staying,

563
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Speaker 2: as she says, in a.

564
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Speaker 3: Living organism, keeping the you.

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Speaker 2: Know, people said hi to me in the hallways like

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Speaker 2: I and yeah, we can joke it's a Midwest thing

567
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Speaker 2: or whatever, but like being in there people, people were

568
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Speaker 2: everyone knew each other, people were kind to each other,

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Speaker 2: people spoke to each other in a in an important way,

570
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Speaker 2: and also in the locker room as well, and keeping

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Speaker 2: that like family feeling, keeping that feeling of like we

572
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Speaker 2: are in this together and we are alive and we

573
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Speaker 2: are experiencing this and we're looking and facing hard things

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Speaker 2: together and all of that making it feel less like

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Speaker 2: a job and more like a purpose for everybody in

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Speaker 2: the building, while still becoming this like competitive monolith on

577
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Speaker 2: the you know, in terms of the productivity of the organization,

578
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Speaker 2: I think that is a nearly impossible goal to set

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Speaker 2: to reach. But if someone's gonna do it. I do

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Speaker 2: feel like she is the right person to do it.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say, Jordan, to someone who does work

582
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Speaker 1: in this building, I think you encapsulated it perfectly.

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Speaker 3: Like it.

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Speaker 1: It feels like, uh like working here is almost kind

585
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Speaker 1: of like a calling sometimes and it feels less like

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Speaker 1: a job and more like, you know something I I

587
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Speaker 1: love that I get to do. And I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just the team writer and the podcast guy and

589
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Speaker 1: the stadium pa announcer, like you know, I'm not on

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Speaker 1: the field down there with the guys or coaching, and

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Speaker 1: I think that that permeates not just the football side,

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Speaker 1: but the business side. So again, you did a fantastic

593
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Speaker 1: job on the story. This is a fantastic conversation before

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Speaker 1: I get you out here, just you know, let our

595
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Speaker 1: listeners and viewers know where they can consume all the

596
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: great stuff that you are doing.

597
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Speaker 2: Keep up with me on the Athletic all the writing

598
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Speaker 2: is there. And then Greg Rosenthal and I co host

599
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Speaker 2: NFL Daily wherever you get your podcasts, and we live

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Speaker 2: on NFL Network as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun.

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Speaker 2: I have to say that idea of purpose that was

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Speaker 2: something that she spoke of a lot through the course

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Speaker 2: of our conversation, and we only have so much time

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Speaker 2: on this planet, so you know what are you going

606
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Speaker 2: to do with that time? And I thought that was

607
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Speaker 2: you could feel it in all phases of the building,

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Speaker 2: and that's why it was important to me and not

609
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Speaker 2: to take too much more of your time, JJ, but

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Speaker 2: like you got to be somewhere to feel that.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's really easy for I think people including myself to

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Speaker 2: talk about it on the outside and think we know

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Speaker 2: what's really going on on the inside. And I think

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Speaker 2: when losing happens and frustrations are high, it is really

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Speaker 2: easy to be results oriented and to look at results

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Speaker 2: and think that we know process.

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Speaker 3: But for me, the.

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Speaker 2: Reason why I lobby to spend that much time in

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Speaker 2: the building was to again to test this theory to

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Speaker 2: see if it was real or not.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad it was real.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise I would have had to write a very different story.

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Speaker 3: But it is, it is, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was really one of the altering stories that I've

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Speaker 2: worked on in my career.

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Speaker 3: I could say that definitively, that's great.

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Speaker 1: That is a great way to close out this conversation

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Speaker 1: from the athletic Jordan Rodrieg. Thank you for joining me

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