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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Marjorie Taylor Green says, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if the Republican Party is leaving me or if

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of not relating to the Republican Party as

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Speaker 1: much anymore. What is going on? We have such a

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Speaker 1: great show for you today, the Lincoln Project Zone. Rick

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Speaker 1: Wilson joins us to discuss how everything is crazy and

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is driving our economy into a ditch. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to very adorable Alvero Beadoya about being fired

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Speaker 1: from the Federal Trade Commission by President Trump. But first

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Speaker 1: in the News.

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Speaker 2: Smiley, President Trump wants to get through his nominees. But

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Speaker 2: this is one of those things that Chuck Schumer has

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Speaker 2: been playing a little bit of coming up the works with.

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Speaker 2: But the GOP says in September thinks are going to change.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we've all been very cranky with my Manchuck

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Speaker 1: for any number of reasons, deserved and not deserved. But

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Speaker 1: he did something good here, and as much as we're

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Speaker 1: all mad at him, I think we should say he

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Speaker 1: did He refused to back down from his demands. Trump

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Speaker 1: ultimately gave Majority Leader John Thuon cover to let his

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Speaker 1: for working, except if you're me or you. Senators will

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Speaker 1: stay voting Sunday evening on a small list of nominees

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Speaker 1: already primed for final confirmation. They did put justice box

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Speaker 1: of Wine. She's now the big boss of the DC,

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Speaker 1: so we're fucked. If you're in DC, don't do crimes

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Speaker 1: because Box of Wine is going to send you to

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Speaker 1: the camps. All right, I think that's fair.

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Speaker 3: That's fair.

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Speaker 1: Try to stay on the right side of law right now.

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Speaker 1: Senators will then go home for a month of fundraising

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Speaker 1: and getting screamed at by their constituents in town halls

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Speaker 1: as well. They deserve it. They will try to put

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Speaker 1: some positive spin on the BBB, but they will have

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Speaker 1: a bad, bad, bad time doing it. We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: It's unclear exactly what Senate Republicans will do during that

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Speaker 2: I think, back room meetings and all that fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: As well, yes, so interesting news. I've been told by

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Speaker 2: that there's a divide in wages for women and things

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Speaker 2: like that, and new study shows up. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: shock you here that the right wing was down putting

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Speaker 3: Never would have seen it coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what's happening. And this is something that Trump

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Speaker 1: got elected because people felt that there was no social mobility,

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Speaker 1: that it was a cast system, that you couldn't make

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Speaker 1: Well guess what, you really can't. And Donald Trump doesn't

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Speaker 1: really give a fuck about that. But the class divide

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Speaker 1: a much better time of it in this world right now.

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Speaker 1: This is a third way poll. And this is like

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Speaker 1: the case for think tanks. If think tanks don't do

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Speaker 1: bunnies don't bounce on trampolines. And also talking about a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that eight foot dog is real. So if we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So for weeks we've been reading a headline that

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Speaker 2: And turns out it seems like now they're going to

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Speaker 1: I mean they just did this in California. They're really

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Speaker 1: you know, they just send people to LA. I don't

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and

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Speaker 1: the host of the enemy's list. Rick Wilson, Welcome to wash.

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Speaker 5: How are you doing on this farm afternoon?

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Speaker 1: I'm just living the dream, Live in the damn dream.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. You may have heard of him. He's President

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Speaker 5: That is a real shocker to learn that he is

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Speaker 5: That would be like me being surprised to learn that

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Speaker 1: My man trying to get sued. I just want I

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Speaker 1: wish that people could see Jesse's face. He's turned off

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Speaker 1: his video, but the face of horror was what we saw.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about we are getting in another week

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Speaker 1: of unbridled trump Ism. It's true, it is.

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Speaker 5: It has been buckmaking trump Ism all week, and you

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Speaker 5: know it hasn't gotten I mean, I think the things

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Speaker 5: As I like to say, that goes over like a

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Speaker 1: That was incredible. By the way, I want to do

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Speaker 5: One hundred million dollars from our university. Sure, why not?

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Speaker 1: So universities, lawyers, billionaires, cave cave cave. But what's interesting

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Speaker 1: So this week he's obsessed with trying to distract from Epstein.

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Speaker 5: Look, the most hilarious thing is that they're issuing this

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because it's like Trump has had such a

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Speaker 5: Every day I wake up and I'm like, Okay, They're

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Speaker 5: sending Glayne Maxwell down to the Christional Club said where

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Speaker 5: the Real Housewives and the Elizabeth Holmes are part of

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Speaker 5: I was I read about yesterday. Bureau of Prisons does

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Speaker 6: No, No, So Bondie or bow or or Blanche could

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Speaker 1: DJ they're the same now, right, Like there's no there's

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Speaker 1: no independent judiciary. I think my favorite part of the

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Speaker 1: A friend of mine who has little kids send it

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean I find the whole thing. I find

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Speaker 5: Those people are like, yes, perhaps Donald Trump was a pedophile,

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Speaker 5: Reaction to this whole scandal, to this whole discovery. He

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Speaker 1: And the bad news is we're all going to lose

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Speaker 5: Right, another good money way to go, Elon. Good work there, Champ.

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Speaker 1: The bad news about Donald Trump driving us into a

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Speaker 5: It ain't in Chief, you know what, Molly, I think.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is twenty five points underwater on inflation and prices. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: he's sixteen points underwater on the economy. He's six points

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Speaker 5: But it does show you that he's on a clock now,

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Speaker 5: Maga by a maga by a mega project twenty twenty five. Bro,

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Speaker 5: What do you think Lindsay's gonna learn from that? What

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Speaker 5: lesson is he going to learn nothing. If he wins,

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Speaker 5: he'll still say, oh, Donald Trump, he's the president. I

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Speaker 5: owe him everything. But you know, you're right. He's been

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Speaker 5: to Donald Trump. And his reward is affiliation and possible defeat.

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Speaker 1: It is. I have to tell you, no one has

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Speaker 1: ever had a smarter book title than you, my friend. Serious, Like,

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Speaker 1: here's a guy who's he hitched his wagon to Donald J. Trump,

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Speaker 5: Uh, he's going to get spanked in a primary and

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Speaker 5: looks I'll tell you, if Donald Trump comes out and

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Speaker 5: you know, Trump's. Trump's ward is law and Republican primaries.

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Speaker 5: There are very few cases where he doesn't win.

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Speaker 1: Is there?

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Speaker 1: North Carolina Democrats have Copper Cooper, Copper, Copper Cooper Cooper.

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Speaker 1: just an unbelievably good candidate. One state wide governor the

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Speaker 5: Look, I'm hearing the Page is trying to to make it,

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Speaker 1: So but we have they have a Republican Yeah, I know, but.

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Speaker 5: I hope So my understanding. About a week ago I

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Speaker 5: There is a man? I'm sorry, you've got me. You

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Speaker 5: But look, North Carolina is a is a piece of

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Speaker 5: At their own leadership for not being fighters.

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Speaker 1: But I also think what's interesting about all those poll

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Speaker 5: than the QAnon Maga version of that theory they intercest.

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Speaker 1: But equally stupid.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, very ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I'm sort So we are in the end times of moronics.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to take a minute to.

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Speaker 5: Just I think we're to be very honest with ourselves

443
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Speaker 5: as a country that you know, MAGA really stands for

444
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Speaker 5: morons are governing America. We have placed a cultural frame

445
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Speaker 5: around it. Expertise, as our friend Dominicals has written about

446
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Speaker 5: brilliantly education and I use this word advisedly. But the

447
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Speaker 5: hatred of elites of any kind, whether cognitive or financial

448
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Speaker 5: or anything else, leads them down this rabbit hole where

449
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Speaker 5: they reward stupid behavior. Yeah, and they and they elevate

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Speaker 5: stupid behavior. And you know, three hundred thousand years of

451
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Speaker 5: human evolution or whatever the whatever, the hominid phase of evolution,

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Speaker 5: what you want to use is has been about us

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Speaker 5: being less stupid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we do not get yeah, yeah, yeah, and

455
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Speaker 1: we're getting eaten. I think that's it. We're definite yetting eaten.

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Speaker 1: At best, we're going to get eaten. Edwardst who knows.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Trump has continued to express

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Speaker 1: his ir towards the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

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Speaker 1: He fired, he fired her, but now he's still tweeting

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Speaker 1: about true thing about her. So I wonder does the

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Speaker 1: does she end up in Seacott? Yes?

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Speaker 5: Right, oh, listen, I wouldn't doubt anything at this point

463
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Speaker 5: with this guy, he could do the sort of thing

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Speaker 5: that he's doing trying to do with Jack Smith right now.

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Speaker 5: Oh Hatch Act. These are the people that have treated

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Speaker 5: the Hatch Act like it was right, I know, not

467
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Speaker 5: even a recommendation, but more of a broke But you know, look,

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Speaker 5: I think I think there are a lot of people

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Speaker 5: in the markets who do not like the idea of

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Speaker 5: not having good data to go by. Why not only

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Speaker 5: do they like making money, they also have a fiduciary

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Speaker 5: obligation to have correct data for their clients. And so

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Speaker 5: you know, Trump eliminating that and it's like a lot

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Speaker 5: of other Third world leaders have done.

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Speaker 1: This is a problem that Biden world had too with

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Speaker 1: the inflation. Sure cannot people something and then have them

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Speaker 1: have a lived experience that does run counter so you know.

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Speaker 5: You cost a dollar fifty now and people are.

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Speaker 1: Like right where? And that's the thing is like Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump can bring in mister wonderful as the head of

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Speaker 1: Bureau and Labor Statistics, or he can bring in Eric,

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Speaker 1: give Eric the job, but what happens the job he does.

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Speaker 1: But what happens is people have their own lived experience

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Speaker 1: and their lived experience, will not drive with mister wonderful

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Speaker 1: telling them that's you know, Orange man great and so

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to play out and it's hard

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Speaker 1: for me to imagine that things don't get worse before

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Speaker 1: they get better.

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Speaker 5: He's used up all the economic capital that he had,

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Speaker 5: He's burned it. The tariffs, this insanity fighting with the Fed.

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Speaker 5: The markets are are now reaching the point they're like,

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Speaker 5: oh God, okay, we can't fake this anymore. Yeah, they

493
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Speaker 5: got their tax cut, so they've they've they've achieved their

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Speaker 5: goals in the second Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: By and large, at least, the estate tax has gone down,

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Speaker 1: which is what all of Americans really longed for.

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Speaker 5: Every every middle class American really thinks that night, My god,

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Speaker 5: how am I going to dispose of my twenty five

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Speaker 5: million dollar estate if I die and not screw my

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Speaker 5: children financially.

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Speaker 1: Yes, for America has once again benefited from again trickle

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Speaker 1: down economics. Rick Wilson, Well, I drunk fast, Will you

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Speaker 1: come back?

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Speaker 5: I'll come back, you come back, I'll come back every time.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right, that's right, opening We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you next time. Alvero Badoya is the former

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Speaker 1: commissioner of the Federal Trade Commission. Welcome to Fast Politics AFRO.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having them on.

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Speaker 1: You should start by telling us what your job was,

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Speaker 1: exact exactly what happened to you.

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Speaker 4: So I was a commissioner at the Federal Trade Commission,

512
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Speaker 4: and that's the agency that goes after fraudsters and monopolis.

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Speaker 4: So Martin Schrelly, we banned that guy from the pharmaceutical

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Speaker 4: industry from life. We block the largest grocery store Merger

515
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Speaker 4: Kroger and Albertsons. We go after corporate landlords that screw

516
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Speaker 4: their tenants over with hidden fees and junk fees, things like,

517
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Speaker 4: oh you don't want cockroaches in your building, You're gonna

518
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Speaker 4: have to pay for that. And on March eighteenth, I

519
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Speaker 4: was standing at my daughter's gymnastis class very much trying

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Speaker 4: to not look at my phone because she gets pissed

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Speaker 4: off if I'm looking at my phone, which she does

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Speaker 4: a cool trick. And then I got a call and

523
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Speaker 4: my colleagues saying, hey, have you looked at your email?

524
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Speaker 4: And I said absolutely not actually, and she said, well,

525
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Speaker 4: there's an email from the White House saying that they're

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Speaker 4: firing us. And the thing I left out about our agencies.

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Speaker 4: We're supposed to be independent of the president. We're supposed

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Speaker 4: to only be fireable for neglect, fraud, abuse, that kind

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Speaker 4: of thing.

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Speaker 1: But you have this thing you do, which is you

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Speaker 1: stop fraud, which is never going to be popular in

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Speaker 1: this ADMN. So talk us to if it's nonpartisan, they

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Speaker 1: don't really have the right to fire you. How did

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Speaker 1: they do it exactly? And frankly, it's been argument that

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Speaker 1: we didn't do it. I think one of the most

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Speaker 1: important things that we did as commissioners is not go

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Speaker 1: along with this blatant, ridiculous illegality. And so a lot

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Speaker 1: of people similarly situated would have said, all right, you know,

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Speaker 1: I have just been illegally fired, mister President. I will

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Speaker 1: see you in court. And then they're quiet and you

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Speaker 1: don't hear from them until the data losing court. And

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Speaker 1: so what Commissioner Rebecca Slaughter and I did is say, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not fired.

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Speaker 4: We're going to keep on doing our jobs. And so

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Speaker 4: we kept on, you know, commenting on what the agency

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Speaker 4: was doing. I literally took a trip to meet with

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Speaker 4: farmers in Iowa as a commissioner, and we kind of

548
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Speaker 4: tried to meet their chaos with chaos in return. And

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Speaker 4: so right now we're in the courts. We actually had

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Speaker 4: a big win where Commissioner Slaughter returned to the job

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Speaker 4: for I think about seventy two hours, and then a

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Speaker 4: court of appeal state it I had to leave because

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Speaker 4: I need to put food on the table and pay

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Speaker 4: the bills, and so I formally resigned on June nine.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like to me, what you're doing here

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Speaker 1: is that you are showing us that a lot of

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Speaker 1: this stuff is actually legal. Right, Explain to us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about this sort of illegality.

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Speaker 4: Right, this will go to court. Talk us through that.

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Speaker 4: So let's talk about why it's illegal. Because I think

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Speaker 4: a lot of people here you got fired. They'll be like, bro,

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Speaker 4: I got fired, you know two times in the last

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Speaker 4: five years. What's the big deal? And I don't define

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Speaker 4: the terms of my job. Congress defined it in nineteen fourteen,

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Speaker 4: and they were just coming out of the era of

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Speaker 4: like John Rockefeller and the Carnegies, where basically these guys

567
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Speaker 4: took over government to cut themselves all sorts of sweetheart deals.

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Speaker 4: And so Congress in eighteen ninety nineteen fourteen was frankly

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Speaker 4: pissed and said we're going to create an institution to

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Speaker 4: check you, to check this corporate power. Back then, they

571
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Speaker 4: were called trusts, and so that is why they said

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Speaker 4: the president can't just fire whoever they want in these

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Speaker 4: seats at any time, because otherwise you're going to get

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Speaker 4: what's happening to us now, where basically all these crazy

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Speaker 4: deals are coming through that help the president and his

576
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Speaker 4: donors just because he didn't like us, right, and so

577
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Speaker 4: those protections were put in place, and that's why it

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Speaker 4: was illegal for the president to fire us. But one

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Speaker 4: of the sad things that you learn as a lawyer

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Speaker 4: or as the victim of an illegal action is the

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Speaker 4: law is and after the fact remedy, right, like if

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Speaker 4: you get fired, you know, I haven't been able to

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Speaker 4: access my email, my files, you know anything for three

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Speaker 4: months before I finally had to leave the job. And

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Speaker 4: so that's what's in the corps are on. That's what

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Speaker 4: we're fighting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and where is your case now in the court.

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Speaker 4: The case right now is soon going to be on

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Speaker 4: appeal to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. The district

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Speaker 4: court judge ruled in our favor and put a commissioner

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Speaker 4: slaughter back in her seat, and then they approve to

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Speaker 4: stay at the request of the federal government to take

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Speaker 4: her back out of the seat until the district court

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Speaker 4: could rule on it.

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Speaker 1: So what's going to happen now? Eventually this case getting

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Speaker 1: get kicked up to the Supreme Court, right exactly. And

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Speaker 1: one of the things that we've seen in this Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court is they tend to be just complete sick advanced

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Speaker 1: to Trump largely. We tend to see these six to

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Speaker 1: three decisions. I mean, occasionally we see a sort of

601
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Speaker 1: Roberts and Amy Coney going along with the liberals, but

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Speaker 1: that is pretty rare, right it is.

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Speaker 4: And the other stunning thing about the current legal reality

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Speaker 4: is that there are instances in which the court will

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Speaker 4: effectively overrule you know, one hundred year old or ninety

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Speaker 4: year old precedent in like two pages in an unsigned opinion.

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Speaker 1: In the shadow donc right even here, oral arguments just

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Speaker 1: up all at all and you don't even know who

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Speaker 1: wrote it up. It could be brainworm's alido exactly.

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Speaker 4: And the really funny thing about this, Molly is, you know,

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Speaker 4: I was sitting as like a twenty something Senate Judiciary

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Speaker 4: staffer during a lot of these guys's confirmation hearings, and

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Speaker 4: they would tell you, you know, scouts, honor. You know, I'm

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Speaker 4: just here to call balls and strikes, balls and strikes,

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Speaker 4: and I mean literally you had some of them. I

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Speaker 4: think Amy Cony Barrett said on under testimony, I will

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Speaker 4: not overroll Roe versus Wade or she didn't say those words,

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Speaker 4: but called it a super president. Every single one of these.

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Speaker 1: Guys story decisives, mister, you know story decisives. It's already decided.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to touch it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. And now two plus two equals five.

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Speaker 4: And we don't even need to tell you why. That's

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Speaker 4: what's happening all over the place.

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Speaker 1: You went to Yale Law School, you're obviously very capable

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Speaker 1: of very high level legal thinking. One of the things

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Speaker 1: that we see in this world is that there's quite

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Speaker 1: a lot of the Supreme Court doing things like that.

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Speaker 1: It's journalism. So I would love you to I mean,

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Speaker 1: what it seems to me like and you can tell

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Speaker 1: me if you think I'm wrong. I'm happy to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Is that a lot of the anti corruption measures like

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Speaker 1: your organization started after the corruption, the sort of the

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Speaker 1: Gilded Age corruption, right, and then you have some of

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Speaker 1: the other parts of congressional creations that were put in

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Speaker 1: place after Nixon, as other anti corruption measures. These are

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Speaker 1: sort of the focus of Trump right now, taking a

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Speaker 1: part the things that were set up to stop corruption.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's right? And how did your agency

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Speaker 1: function in that way?

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Speaker 4: I do think that's right. I'll shore two things about this.

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Speaker 4: First of all, the agency function this way because most

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Speaker 4: agencies have been able in a law abiding way, because

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Speaker 4: most federal employees, despite what you see in the press,

644
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Speaker 4: are sticklers for ethics. You know, if a reporter takes

645
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Speaker 4: you out to lunch, you literally won't let them buy

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Speaker 4: you a sup at panera. And meanwhile, you have certain

647
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Speaker 4: Supreme Court justices who have like gold plated winnebagos out

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Speaker 4: of nowhere from just my good friend. And so you

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Speaker 4: have had these agencies where a lot of people there

650
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Speaker 4: could be making three x four x what they're making

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Speaker 4: in the private sector, who believe in creating a level

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Speaker 4: playing field for the little guy and bringing down the

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Speaker 4: Martin Screllis of the world. And so that's how they've

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Speaker 4: been doing what they're doing. But there's also something even

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Speaker 4: more problematic that we need to talk about which is, yeah,

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Speaker 4: they're removing the independence of these agencies, but they're also

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Speaker 4: starting to use them as toll booths, use the power

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Speaker 4: that they have to extract all sorts of weird promises.

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Speaker 4: And so the clearest example at the FTC, the Federal

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Speaker 4: Tree Commission was this merger between Omnikon and Publicists, which

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Speaker 4: has created the largest i think advert ad buyer in

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Speaker 4: the country, potentially the world. You're in media, you know

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Speaker 4: that this is how media functions, and our agency led

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Speaker 4: it through with this condition out of no where that

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Speaker 4: basically results in a requirement to buy ads from you

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Speaker 4: on musk. This has nothing to do with our job.

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Speaker 4: The other crazy requirement was in this recent merger between

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Speaker 4: Paramountain Skydance and you had the Federal Communications Commission say,

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Speaker 4: oh yeah, and you got to install a special bias

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Speaker 4: monitor at CBS and the other thing I did is

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Speaker 4: kicked out Colbert. None of that has anything to do

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Speaker 4: with the agency's mission. And so, just like the President

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Speaker 4: is using tariffs which could be used to help workers,

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Speaker 4: to just exact random promises from countries to buy X

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Speaker 4: and Y and Z from his golfing buddy, you have

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Speaker 4: these agencies that used to stand up for the American

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Speaker 4: worker and consumer and small business owner being used to

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Speaker 4: line the president's downer's pockets.

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Speaker 1: So this gets me thinking about something that I think

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Speaker 1: about a which is we are down a road that

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Speaker 1: starts with not obeying the hat to act and get

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Speaker 1: ends to Donald Trump takes a plane from the Kataris

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Speaker 1: so right? This is all you go down this road?

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Speaker 1: You say, like, I don't understand why the Biden people

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Speaker 1: can't talk to me about the DNC while we're standing

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Speaker 1: in this office. And now we're like Donald Trump and

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Speaker 1: in the Katari plane fiasco, there's actually it's written so

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Speaker 1: that the plane goes to the Trump Presidential Library.

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Speaker 4: So talk to me about what that looks like. The

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Speaker 4: example we had at FTC was this, So if you

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Speaker 4: actually do something unlike us, I suspect all of us

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Speaker 4: that probably bust. Your listeners are paying very close attention

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Speaker 4: to the news, right, but look, most people don't. Most

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Speaker 4: people have other main interests, right, And so all they

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Speaker 4: hear in the background is like today Facebook settled for

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Speaker 4: twenty three million dollars, a settlement a lawsuit by the president,

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Speaker 4: you know, filed shortly before as inauguration, and the word

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Speaker 4: bride doesn't appear in the news story. And part of

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Speaker 4: the way that that's achieved is through these I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: even call them loopholes because I don't I in my view,

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Speaker 4: they're not legal. But like the president library, So what

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Speaker 4: happened with Facebook is in the first Trump administration, a

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Speaker 4: bipartisan group at the FTC, including I think it was

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Speaker 4: two Democratic commissioners and one Republican chairman, sued to undo

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Speaker 4: Facebook's takeover of Insta and WhatsApp. And you know, if

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Speaker 4: you're hearing this and be like, what's the deal with that,

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Speaker 4: well you should read Mark Zuckerberg's emails, because they basically say,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to compete with instead of WhatsApp, I

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Speaker 4: just want.

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Speaker 1: To just buy them.

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Speaker 4: And so we sued to stop it bipartisan vote. Facebook

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Speaker 4: saw that Trump two was coming into office, and so

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Speaker 4: they settled this furious lawsuit that Trump had filed against

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Speaker 4: them for I think it was twenty three million dollars,

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Speaker 4: not to the President himself but to his Presidential library.

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Speaker 4: And lo and behold, what do they get. They get

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Speaker 4: this Oval office meeting to lobby the president to drop

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Speaker 4: the lawsuit, and now they haven't dropped the lawsuit yet,

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Speaker 4: but it doesn't mean they won't. And that in and

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Speaker 4: of itself, an oval office meeting in and of itself

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Speaker 4: is the achievement, right. And so you have legal settlements

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Speaker 4: being used as brides to stop the president and using

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Speaker 4: what he sees as is infinite leverage in the federal

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Speaker 4: government to squeeze people for money.

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Speaker 1: I'm often thinking about, like what's the chicken, what's the egg? Right?

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Speaker 1: So I wonder you get to a place like this,

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Speaker 1: And obviously, like Alena Khan would say, it's a regulation problem,

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Speaker 1: like the fact that technology got here, right, Like Facebook,

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Speaker 1: for example, they're you know, somewhat responsible for the Rhingan genocide.

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Speaker 1: These people are sort of too big to be checked.

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Speaker 1: Is this a failure of congressional regulation? Is this a

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Speaker 1: failure of like congress seating it's authority a decade ago

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Speaker 1: or two decades ago? I mean, like what gets you

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Speaker 1: down this path?

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Speaker 4: Two things? FIRSTUS money in politics, and look, you know

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Speaker 4: Republicans and Democrats are guilty alike, oh, one hundred percent,

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Speaker 4: they're just bathed in money. And so meaningful laws to

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Speaker 4: check corporate power. I think now in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 4: you're seeing people on the left and the right waking

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Speaker 4: up to say like, hey, this stuff's out of hand,

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Speaker 4: can't do this anymore. But for most of the last

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Speaker 4: forty years after Reagan in particular, the idea was bigger

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Speaker 4: is better. You know, let's unfetter the economy from these

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Speaker 4: troublesome rules and regulations. That's one thing. And here's the

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Speaker 4: second thing, which is that for you know that time,

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Speaker 4: that same time, forty years or so, you've had this

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Speaker 4: that Reagan Ie ideology, you've had this other trend that

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Speaker 4: at a lot of enforcement agencies like the FTC. Not everyone,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not talking about everyone, but most of the

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Speaker 4: people who had come into these leadership jobs would subsequently

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Speaker 4: go on to work for Fortune one hybrid companies. And

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Speaker 4: so the sad fact is in the back of their head.

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Speaker 4: And again these are Republicans and Democrats would go in

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Speaker 4: and they'd be tough. But you don't want to be

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Speaker 4: too tough.

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Speaker 1: Lake, because you want to be able to get a

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Speaker 1: job after this.

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Speaker 4: And the power of what Chirkan did is to not

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Speaker 4: give a damn what they think about her in Aspen

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Speaker 4: and Sun Valley and Davos. She's going back to be

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Speaker 4: a law professor of Columbia, a job that she'll probably

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Speaker 4: have for the rest of you rest of her life.

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Speaker 1: There's still a Columbia.

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Speaker 4: Well that's so good point.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I have not accounted for that, but you know what, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not to go totally dark here, but yes.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, sadly we're there. That is what was

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Speaker 4: so extraordinary about her, which is wonder plaudits you know,

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Speaker 4: from from a whole lot of people who am the

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Speaker 4: paying close.

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Speaker 1: Attention to politics. Yeah. So it starts with Citizens United. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and it starts with a world in which members of

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Speaker 1: Congress cannot go into lobbying.

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Speaker 4: Oh oh, In other words, how do we undo it?

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Speaker 4: You reverse Citizens United? Yeah, like say tomorrow that we

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Speaker 4: are in a world.

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Speaker 1: Where we have a government that is neutral, that is

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Speaker 1: a non authoritarian leaning government. What do you do next?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple of practical things, and there's a

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Speaker 4: one big picture. Think practical things things like you said,

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Speaker 4: reverse Citizen United, band stock trading by members of Congress.

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Speaker 4: You do serious campaign finance reform so that public financing

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Speaker 4: of the campaigns is an actual thing. Ranked choice voting.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to push you for a minute, because please,

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Speaker 1: I live in New York City. And this is maybe like,

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Speaker 1: as a taxpayer, I find the government funded campaigns very annoying,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know why I should be paying for

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Speaker 1: fucking mayoral candidates ads.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But here's the thing is that we don't have

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Speaker 4: a choice. We've got two shitty choices. Right, You've got

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Speaker 4: a choice between public financing, which, like you said, is

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Speaker 4: an ideal because people are paying for elect people to

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Speaker 4: try to run for office, versus ConAgra paying for their

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Speaker 4: candidates and big tech paying for their favorite carogate. For me,

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Speaker 4: that's an easy choice. But here's the big picture thing

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Speaker 4: I would say is that we need to start looking

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Speaker 4: at things a little less as left versus right, and

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Speaker 4: a little more as the money could taps everyone underneath. Yah, right,

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Speaker 4: you know. And so let me tell you, Like the

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Speaker 4: last meeting I had as a commissioner was in Iowa.

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Speaker 4: Guy stood up and said, Hey, my name's Dengler. I

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Speaker 4: just harvested my last season after one hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 4: years of farming in Tama County, Iowa. Turned on my

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Speaker 4: John Deere Combine. It broke down. John Deere has locked

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Speaker 4: down at software, so I can't fix it. I got

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Speaker 4: to pay their guy to come out two three times

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Speaker 4: on his time to charge me an arm and a leg.

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Speaker 4: And that was the straw that broke my back. The

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Speaker 4: meeting before I had with a Bangladeshi uber and Lyft

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Speaker 4: driver from Queens who said, yeah, I just woke up

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Speaker 4: this morning, and Uber lift both blocked me out of

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Speaker 4: their apps. You know, so much of our politics says, oh, no,

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Speaker 4: you're from Iowa, you're white, you've been here one hundred

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Speaker 4: and fifteen years. You've got nothing in common with the

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Speaker 4: Bamgladeshi immigrant. You know who's driving in New York City,

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Speaker 4: When if you look at what these guys need, they

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Speaker 4: have everything in common because they're fed up with oligarch's

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Speaker 4: telling them what to do and the monopolies and didiopolies

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Speaker 4: they run control in their lives. I think if we

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Speaker 4: can feed more of that awareness into our politics, it's

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Speaker 4: going to be helpful and it's going to create coalitions

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Speaker 4: that otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Would be impossible. It's a really good point and it

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Speaker 1: is also how we got here right. I mean there,

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Speaker 1: we didn't think about the people who were the working people,

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Speaker 1: and that's part of the problem, part of democrats problem.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Republicans consider it to be a problem,

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Speaker 1: but they should be. But it is that this idea

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Speaker 1: versus of sort of working people versus the olimarchy.

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Speaker 4: One of the things people forget is our country was

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Speaker 4: founded in part on these ideas. You know, the Boston

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Speaker 4: Tea Party was a protest against the monopoly on tea

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Speaker 4: right in the Boston Harbor. Thomas Jefferson, for all his flaws,

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Speaker 4: did think that one of the things missing in the

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Speaker 4: Bill of Rights was an anti monopoly amendment, a rule

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Speaker 4: to fight monopolies. And so this has been around since

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Speaker 4: our founding, and now is the time to recapture some

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Speaker 4: of that and see what kind of bridges we can

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Speaker 4: build them. Frankly, I think Zaron Mamdani has done this

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Speaker 4: in New York City in the way that he has

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Speaker 4: made working with the small business owner, the guy who

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Speaker 4: runs the bodega, the guy who runs the whole aal cart,

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Speaker 4: part of his campaign, bringing them into the progressive populace

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Speaker 4: fold the less populous vault. I think that's been very positive.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: For having me.

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Speaker 5: No no moment.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, Yes, it's a lot of fuckery to choose

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Speaker 1: from there's so.

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Speaker 5: Much fuckery, and I have a semi Ebstein related fuckery item,

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Speaker 5: but it's not purely it is the whole White House

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Speaker 5: Liberachi GLITTERBOOCOCKI bullshit redecorating plan to build a ninety thousand

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Speaker 5: square foot Sam's Club warehouse on the side of the

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Speaker 5: White House. He's doing this in part as a distraction

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Speaker 5: because he knows how mad people get about it. But

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Speaker 5: I've read a lot in my career.

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Speaker 8: About George Washington, who really believed that the President of

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Speaker 8: the United States, which was never going to be a king,

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Speaker 8: but should be a man of enormous dignity. The fact

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Speaker 8: that he wants a giant sportatorium entertainment complex grafted onto

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Speaker 8: the White House for a ballroom so we can rent

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Speaker 8: it out for weddings and bar mitzvahs is making my

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Speaker 8: brain ache.

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Speaker 1: Can I say one thing. I have a slightly different take,

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Speaker 1: which is this is the East Wing, which is the

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Speaker 1: legacy of one Eleanor Roosevelt. Donald Trump is very focused

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Speaker 1: on destroying the legacy of famous Democrats. Right. He's obsessed

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Speaker 1: with Carter destroying FEMA Apartment of Education. You could see

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Speaker 1: how Donald Trump would not have liked I mean, he

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Speaker 1: probably has no idea who eleanor Roosevelt is. But if

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Speaker 1: she did, I don't think he would think she was hot.

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Speaker 5: No, oh god no. Also, it's like Melania is never there,

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Speaker 5: so why bother with it?

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Speaker 1: Right? And so it is erasing the legacy of the

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Speaker 1: first Lady and all she does.

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Speaker 5: Donald to buy my office now in Tyson Corner, Virginia,

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Speaker 5: Rick Wilson, Fally, John Fast, I'll see a pig's time.

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