1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. Week one of the so called 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: grief author murder trial is in the books. Welcome to 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ presents Robes a week 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: in the books. We always go back and forth after 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: one week. Let me ask you, now, who do you 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: think has made a better case so far? Just one week? 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: But just curious? 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 2: Yes, And obviously the prosecution is in the middle of 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: presenting its evidence and its testimony, and it's pretty damning. 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: I think the defense has done what it can so far. 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: But this is as our friend Alison Triesol calls some 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: of these cases a stinker of a case for the defense. 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: So this case, that's such a stinker. Have you heard 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: about this? When Corey richins, it's her name, she's thirty 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: five years old. Her husband died in March of twenty 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: twenty two of fentanyl poisoning. Prosecutors say she is the 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: one who poisoned her husband by giving him a drink 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: that had fentanyl in it the month before. She tried 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: to kill him as well, according to prosecutors, by putting 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: poison in his sandwich, trying to poison him with a sandwich. 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: So she is on trial and the reason they call 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: it Robes the Grief Author murder trial. I'm not sure 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: who dubbed it that, but they always give him some 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: kind of clever little names. This one's pretty apt. 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I think it might have been Court TV. They 26 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: went with the grief author murder trial. I liked children's 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: author murder trial because, yes, the reason why this story 28 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: has catapulted to the headline making trial that it is. 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: This isn't just your run of the mill murder. No, 30 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: this woman is accused not only of attempting to murder 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: her husband, as TJ just outlined, then successfully murdering him, 32 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: but then she went on to capitalize on said murder 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: and wrote eight children book on how to deal with 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: the grief of losing a parent. Now, she says she 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: wrote this for her sons. In this book, it's about 36 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: a dad who goes to heaven, he gets angel wings 37 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: and he looks down on his son. Are You with 38 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: Me is the name of the book. And she was 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: literally on a book tour when she was arrested for 40 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: the murder of her children's father. 41 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: Innocent till proven guilty, So this is why we have 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: a trial. But she has certainly plaied not guilty, to it. 43 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: Dozens I think literally dozens of charges. 44 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: Dozens. 45 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: Certainly the murder, but alsop is weird to be able 46 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: to have a murder and the tempted murder with the 47 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: same person. But yes, attempted murder and murder. But all 48 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: kinds of fraud charges. 49 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: Yes, insurance fraud, mortgage fraud, financial crimes. There is a 50 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: laundry list of items, and that is also part of 51 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 2: the motive according to prosecutors behind the murder. Not only 52 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: do they say Corey richand wanted the life of luxury 53 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: that her husband provided, and she was I think they 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: said four and a half million dollars in debt. 55 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't even know how you do that. 56 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: Real estate she was heavy in real estate losses. I 57 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: believe she was trying to flip homes. That was what 58 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: she did for a living. She wasn't doing it very 59 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: well and hiding that from her husband, and now she 60 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: needed money. So that was number one. But number two, 61 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: she had a lover. She had a boyfriend who prosecutors 62 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: say she wanted to marry, and basically she just wanted 63 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: to swap out men and keep her lifestyle where it was. 64 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: This is as classic a tale as it gets right. 65 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: We watch a lot of true crime, We see a 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: lot of stories and you all do as well. And 67 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: this is as classic as it gets. People get murdered 68 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: over two things, usually for love and usually for money, 69 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: and you combine them in this case is what you 70 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: have you throw in the element robes of course, talk 71 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: about a mother of three. Remind me, I'm sorry to 72 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: put you on the spot if you don't remember as 73 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: well the age of the children. 74 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: Well, I know that they were all under the age 75 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: of ten at the time of his death. So these 76 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: are young kids. And look from some of the testimony 77 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: and we'll get into this, but just hearing initially, some 78 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: of the first folks called up by the prosecution were 79 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: family members of Eric Richins, and they talked about his 80 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: love of the outdoors, his love of his sons, his 81 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: love of his life, and his family. He was so 82 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: tight with his sister it was impressive. So this was 83 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: a man who, yeah, who was just beloved by his family, 84 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: loved his children, was successful, like wildly successful in his job. 85 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: I think he had a was it a cement business? 86 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: But he everything was going right except for his marriage. 87 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: And he had even talked to divorce lawyers so had 88 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: she apparently so, look, they had this presentation as we 89 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: often see of a perfect marriage, but pulled back the 90 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: curtains and it looked like both folks were looking for 91 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: potential ways out. But divorce, I guess was not going 92 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: to work out so well for Corey Richins because Eric 93 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: Richards had put a lot of his property in a 94 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: trust to protect him from a divorce, and actually by 95 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: doing so, he was trying to financially protect himself and 96 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: financially protect his sons. That may have been what ended 97 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: up getting. 98 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: Him killed because according to prosecutors, they're saying they she 99 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: knew after divorce she was not going to be getting anything, 100 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: so she needed to hurry up this process and needed 101 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: him to be dead before they divorced. That is what 102 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: prosecutors say, And that is a tail and a mode 103 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: of as old as time, it feels these days, Robes. 104 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm blown away at so many of these stories we 105 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: see in which somebody ends up dead and it takes 106 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: them five minutes to call the insurance company and say 107 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: a new policy was put in place two months ago. 108 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, this one. I believe she had at least one, 109 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: I think several life insurance policies that she created without 110 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: Eric's knowledge. This always when they go back. This is 111 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: a really big, huge red flag. Not quite a smoking gun, 112 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: but as close to a smoking gun as you can 113 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: get when you see when you're looking for motive. And 114 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: she did this a couple years prior to the alleged 115 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: attempt and ultimate successful murder of him. But she was 116 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: planning I mean, this would imply that she was planning 117 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: this for years. 118 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: And again she, according to prosecutors, did make an attempt 119 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: the month before he died in Robes. This was one 120 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: where he, yes, he got terribly sick, but he also 121 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: at that time began to at least according to his friends, 122 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: suspect his wife. 123 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: Yes, according to his friends, he actually told them and 124 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: maybe it was half joking. I think my wife just 125 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: tried to poison me because she gave him this sandwich 126 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: on Valentine's Day of all days. Wow, that really is 127 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: just what is that rubbing salt in the wound? But 128 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: if this is true, prosecutors say she laced a sandwich 129 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 2: with feentanyl. He eats it, he immediately feels pretty sick, 130 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: and eventually he has to take benadryl and actually give 131 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 2: himself an EpiPen. He has allergies, He has allergic reactions 132 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: to certain things, so we had an EpiPen lying around. 133 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: He actually had to and that's no small deal. That's 134 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: a big deal. Shooting epinephrine into your body. 135 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: That's the last resort, yes, moment, that is. 136 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: Life or death. Yes, last resort. So he didn't have narcon, 137 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: but he didn't know he was given fentanyl, but he didn't. 138 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: And that's actually really smart that he injected himself with 139 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: a neppiepen, took benadryl and woke up and eventually felt better. 140 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: So survive that one. But prosecutors say she got him 141 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: the next month. Now this case started out, we were 142 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: very curious robes to see and we heard an opening statements. 143 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: What is the defense going to be? And it makes 144 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: clear Robes and it's going to be uncomfortable in that 145 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: room because his family is there. But this is a 146 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: blame the victim situation. As far as where the drugs 147 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: came from, this is going to be key. We can 148 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: see this fight in week one. How did those drugs 149 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: get in his system? 150 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: Yes, And we've seen blame the victim defenses quite often 151 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: and so far they haven't worked. But it just seems 152 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: so terrible for family members who are already grieving the 153 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: loss of someone to now make it seem as though 154 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: their loved one is to blame for their own death. 155 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: But yes, the insinuation so far, and the defense has 156 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: not put on its case yet, but through cross examination 157 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: and their opening statement, it does appear that they are 158 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: saying that Eric Richins had a pain problem, he had 159 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: back pain, and he had a drug problem. He was addicted, 160 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: that's what they are insinuating, to painkillers, and was very 161 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: into THHC gummies And so they are showing pill bottles 162 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: and THCHC gummies and saying, hey, who knows any of 163 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: those could have been laced with fentanyl, And that has 164 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: happened in this country. We've certainly seen it mostly pills 165 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: gotten all the black market. But that is where they 166 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: are going in this defense that basically he did it 167 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: to himself, whether accidentally or deliberately. 168 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: And it's a case also roads we should note that 169 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: is starting maybe to find a flow and a rhythm, 170 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: and the personalities in the courtroom are starting to figure 171 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: each other out because it's been a little disjointed, it's 172 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: been a little uncomfortable it's been a little at times 173 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: we felt disrespectful to the judge who has been masterful. 174 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: We should give him credit. But the dynamics in the 175 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: courtroom have been interesting and it's wonder if the jurors 176 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: are even frustrated. It's been a lot of stopping and 177 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: starting and you will have to go out so we 178 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: can discuss this. 179 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: It's been a lot of that, there has and there 180 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: was even a moment which wasn't ever explained by the 181 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: judge on Thursday, or was it Wednesday? I believe it 182 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: was Wednesday. They start for one hour, they just start 183 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: to get into testimony. He calls a recess, comes back 184 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 2: an hour later and says there is an unforeseen emergency 185 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: unrelated to the case. Course court is dismissed for the 186 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: rest of the day. So yes, it's just there's been 187 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: a lot of stops and starts just throughout the trial 188 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: on an hourly basis, and then that was extremely disruptive 189 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: on Wednesday. But they are It does feel like getting 190 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: into a flow now and understanding each other's rhythms. From 191 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: attorneys to the judge. 192 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: Loving this judge. 193 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: I like him too. 194 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: He has been very kind. He has given them a 195 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: lot of leeway, and they were some of their bickering 196 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: and whatnot, And that was the first couple of days. 197 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, this guy is good, and we both 198 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: said he's gonna eventually just let loose on these folks. 199 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: He hasn't completely yet, but he has started to now 200 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: in the past day, starting to shut this down and saying, 201 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: come on, guys. 202 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw that the defense attorney actually say some 203 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: things that seemed quite just a shotful to the judge, 204 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: basically saying I have never had a judge make decisions 205 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: like this before. Obviously you're allowed to, but I have 206 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: never experienced basically, Yeah, it was I was like, what's 207 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: I'm just curious about that approach, because this person is 208 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: literally going to be determining or at least having a 209 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: huge impact whether he overrules or sustains objections. He has 210 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: a huge impact on what jurors think and feel about 211 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: a case. 212 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: Just like sports, why would you piss off the referee 213 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: in the first quart, He's gonna remember that in the 214 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: fourth when you really need him to make a call 215 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: on your behalf. So it's been fascinating, it's been interesting 216 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: to watch. However, Robes already already here at the end 217 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: of week one, certainly the most important witness we've seen 218 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: so far. How important will she end up being ultimately 219 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: because Corey Richards is accused, yes, of giving fentanyl to 220 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: her husband to kill him, but where did she get it? 221 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: And the woman who's on the stand right now wrapping 222 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: up the end of this week is the woman who 223 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: allegedly gave her those drugs. This has been interesting, and 224 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: this is where I think the defense is making scorns some. 225 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 2: Point they are because the defense and opening statement said, yes, 226 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 2: we know this for a fact that Eric Richards died 227 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,239 Speaker 2: with five times the lethal amount of fentanyl in his system, 228 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: and that's provable. But she said what the prosecution will 229 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: never be able to tell you or prove to you 230 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: is how that fentanyl got into air rich in system. 231 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: And that is this is basically the key point of 232 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: the prosecution's argument that we actually can tell you because 233 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: we have the woman who gave her sold her the fentanyl, 234 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 2: and the timing of those moments when she actually got 235 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,359 Speaker 2: the fentanyl and gave it to Corey match up precisely 236 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: with the attempted murder and then the ultimate murder. 237 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: So that's yes, twenty twenty two. Right, he dies in March. 238 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: The attempt on his life was February. All the drugs 239 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: were bought January. 240 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: And February, correct, so the exact times where she would 241 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: need it. And look, we've got this testimony from this, 242 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: at least when the prosecution was doing direct questioning, was 243 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: pretty powerful. I mean, you're talking about not only going 244 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: once for the drugs. According to the prosecution, they didn't work. 245 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: It was an attempt of murder that didn't actually result 246 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: in a murder. Then she goes back and says, I 247 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: need something stronger for a investor, and so then she 248 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: goes back and gets something stronger, which is reportedly that 249 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: was when she got the fentanyl and or there were 250 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: blue pills versus yellow pills I believe, and that then 251 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: led to the death of Eric Richards. I mean, that's 252 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: pretty hard to get around. 253 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: However, the defense is claiming robes they have a way 254 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: around that. What do you make of this? Now? The prosecutors, 255 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: excuse me, the defense and the cross examination really is 256 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: going after this woman who does have a drug history, 257 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: has a criminal history, has been in rehab, she has 258 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: been frankly and admittedly a mess at times throughout her life. 259 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: They are now attacking Robes and this is key for 260 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: me to understand was it fentanyl or not? Does she 261 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: understand that she was purchasing fentanyl or not? And there 262 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: are two issues with that, Robes. One of them happens 263 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: to be that the guy who sold her the stuff 264 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: is now claiming he never gave her fentanyl. The other 265 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: issue Robes with that is that she now admits on 266 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: the stand that she wasn't the one that said fentanyl 267 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: to the investigators. Investigators, they were the ones that said 268 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: it to her. Those two issues, Robes, do you start 269 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: even if you don't have reasonable doubt in your mind? 270 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: Do you think that's enough to make the jurors pause? 271 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: It gives doubt? Is it reasonable or is it just 272 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: that's it absolutely puts some doubt on the prosecution story. 273 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: This reminds me a lot of what we saw with 274 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: Brandon Brendan Banfield, where the insinuation by the defense was 275 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: that the prosecution fed their key witness the exact type 276 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: of testimony they needed her to say on the stand 277 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: to prove their theory. It didn't work out so well 278 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: for Brendan Banfield because the old pair's story that Matt 279 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: with the prosecutor. The jury obviously bought. This is almost 280 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: an identical situation where the defense is trying to say 281 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: the prosecution the investigators told this housekeeper exactly what to say, 282 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: and in return, she gets a massive immunity deal to 283 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: save her own skin because she was looking at some 284 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: pretty serious prison time given her prior offenses. So it's 285 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: almost identical in terms of what the defense is trying 286 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: to poke holes in. The question is how believable is 287 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,239 Speaker 2: this housekeeper? How believable is this witness? 288 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: Well, stay here, when we come back, we'll tell you 289 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: just how believable we think she is. And well, the 290 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: will tell you also the key quote there was a 291 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: conversation she had with Corey Richins after Eric Richins died, 292 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: and it was a simple line, a simple quote that 293 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: might might robes be a part of Corey Richards' undoings. 294 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: Stay here and. 295 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: Welcome back to this episode of Amy and TJ Presents. 296 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: We are following the Corey Richards trial. The what else 297 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: is it called? The Grief author murder trial, the Children's 298 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: Grief author murder trial, whatever you want to call it. 299 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: I like it because it just gives an extra Oh 300 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: my god, no, she did it. 301 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: Actually explains it more. I think it is better. Actually, 302 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: you're right. 303 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 3: She wrote a book for children being like the maternal 304 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 3: savior who comes in to help all mothers or parents 305 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 3: help their children and guide them. 306 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: Through the loss of a parent. When she actually stands 307 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: accused of murdering said parent, it really is the audacity. 308 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: If she is guilty, which she has not been found 309 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: guilty as if yet she is innocentential proof and guilty. 310 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: But if she's found guilty, that the odddacity, I guess 311 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: is what you would say. Don't just deny, actually swoop 312 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: in and act like you're the savior. That's tough. 313 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: To be honest with you. I do want to read 314 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: the book now. I want to see that book and 315 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: what she actually wrote. 316 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: Are you with me? 317 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: Are you with me? And she's innocent to approven guilty? 318 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: Now we talked about some of the issues with the 319 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: housekeeper here in her testimony, and her name is Carmen Lawber. 320 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: Is her name Carmen Lauber and robes she I mean, 321 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: they go through and I felt bad for this woman 322 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: because she has of her own doing and admittedly so, 323 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: she has had criminal history, drug history, addiction history, even 324 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: her family, her kids. We talk about hearing now she 325 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: said her own daughter is overdosed several times. Right, it's 326 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: just a family dynamic. And yes, people make all kinds 327 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: of mistakes. But you hear also addiction. You hear just 328 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: how impactful it sounds, and listen to your ropes. This 329 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: is an illness. Obviously she was sick. Obviously she's made 330 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: some bad decisions. But you hearing her, I think she 331 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: handled herself so well and calmly and saying yep, I 332 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: did that, Yes I did. Maybe she was just well prepared. 333 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: But it's hard in listening to her to not find 334 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: her to be a credible witness. 335 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: Oh, you and I were both moved listening to her 336 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: because this is painful and not easy for her to 337 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: get up on this stand and not only talk about 338 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: what she knows, her role in what happened according to prosecutors, 339 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: and her history. We saw the defense attorney go from 340 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: talking about obviously her criminal history, her drug abuse and addiction, 341 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: and her what did they talk about her her learning disability. 342 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: I mean, it was just it was basically everything that 343 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: would be humiliating about you feeling poorly about yourself and 344 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: your ability and capability and decisions. It was like everything 345 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: was on the table for all all to see. It 346 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: was painful to watch her be exposed in that way, 347 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: and yet I understand why it had to happen from 348 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: a legal standpoint. This is the key prosecution witness. This 349 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: is the person who literally is putting the final nail 350 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: in the coffin of Corey Richards. So they have to 351 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: impugne her credibility, they have to question her credibility. And 352 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: it makes sense because she even had to admit on 353 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: the stand that she was high on meth, that she 354 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: tested positive for meth during this period of time. She said, 355 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: I wasn't high all the time, but she was high 356 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: quite a bit of the time. 357 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: I don't remember. The defense attorney said, so you were 358 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: high this whole time. It was said in a way, 359 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: and I get it. They're doing their job. They have 360 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: to defend their client who is potentially going to prison 361 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: for the rest of her life Ropes. I get it. 362 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: It's just it was a part of discrediting someone. And 363 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: I think the only part I would question Robes is 364 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: that she did she did have an incentive to say 365 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: whatever prosecutors wanted her. 366 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: To say, she was looking at federal drug charges she 367 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: had already. I think they asked her how many times 368 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: she had been arrested, charge convicted of drug charges. She said, 369 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 2: I don't know, So that will just tell you how 370 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: lengthy her rap sheet is. And so look, once you've 371 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: already had that many strikes against you, and now and 372 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: now you've sold the drugs to somebody who was accused 373 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 2: of using those drugs to murder that person. Those are 374 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: some serious charges, serious federal charges, potentially life in prison 375 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: types of charges. So she is incentivized, for sure to 376 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: take this deal and testify against her former boss. 377 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: And what the defense is trying to say, yes, lie, 378 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: but essentially say anything they want you to say. I 379 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: don't know. There's still a question. There's no question that 380 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: she bought drugs, is it not. There's no question she 381 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: bought drugs on behalf of Corey Richards. 382 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean she went through the whole process of 383 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: explaining how Corey would say, I have an investor who 384 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 2: needs something strong. She obviously knew she had connections. So 385 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: she goes and she gives her cash, drops it off 386 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: at a fire pit at this house she was renovating. 387 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: She goes and gets the drugs from some gas station, 388 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: brings and drops the drugs at this fire pit, picks 389 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: up the money. I mean it was she She tells 390 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: a very specific and detailed account of how this all 391 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: transpired four separate times, but most notably the last two 392 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: times and roke. 393 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: Those last two times or an attempt on his life, 394 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: and one in which he actually did die. So no, 395 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: aheam No. 396 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: I was just thinking the question is is it oxy 397 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 2: cotton or is it vetah? 398 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: Yes, they're going all of the Okay, this is the 399 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: other one. Nobody seems to remember exactly what the drugs were. 400 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: This was four years ago. 401 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: Now, yes, and everybody was high. 402 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: Everybody's on something. One's potentially a murderer, one's dead, one's 403 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: trying to stay out of prison. Yeah, who you believe. 404 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: And there's a drug dealer always changed his story. 405 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is what the prosecution. Yes, when you're 406 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: dealing with trying to you hear this all the time. 407 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: You're not dealing with the best among us. Sometimes, when 408 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: you're trying to put on a case and you have 409 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: a drug dealer and a drug user who are a 410 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: couple of your key witnesses, you. 411 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: Know the key witnesses because you have to prove Look, 412 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: we know how he died like that is so interesting. 413 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 2: Sometimes we don't. In other cases, we just don't know 414 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 2: how the drugs got in his system. And so yes, 415 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: the people who bought the drugs, sold the drugs, used 416 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: the drug All of that is key to proving that 417 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: Corey Richins is the person who actually gave him those drugs. 418 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: Right, So what if we throw all of that out? 419 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: Even if you don't like this witness, right, robes and things, 420 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: she's full of it, and don't believe a thing she says. 421 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: There is so much more to this case. I don't 422 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: know if you can remember some of them off the 423 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: top of your head. I can look up. But the 424 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: first day of the tru when opening statements, when the 425 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: prosecution use some of her Google. 426 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: Searches, Oh my goodness. 427 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: There is so much circumstantial at least evidence rope that 428 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: it's hard for you to go, Okay, there's reasonable doubt 429 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: some of the things she was looking for. We've seen 430 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: this in some cases. 431 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 2: It's hard to explain, and it usually it's all about 432 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: the cover up, you know. Can police find deleted emails? 433 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: Can police find deleted texts. She's asking all sorts of 434 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: questions about how what are prisons like for the rich? 435 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: It was like, it was, oh, here we go, I 436 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 2: got him exactly? Can cops uncover deleted messages iPhone? Can 437 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: you delete everything off an old iPhone without actually having it? 438 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 2: Can deleted text meshes be retrieved from an iPhone? How 439 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: to completely wipe an iPhone clear remotely? How to permanently 440 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: delete information from an iPhone remotely? I mean, look, and 441 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 2: there's another one here. My favorite was the ones about 442 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: prison because she was anticipating. That's the crazy thing, anticipating 443 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: getting caught and trying to prepare herself mentally for going 444 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: to prison. That's one of the more damning searches I 445 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: can even imagine. And to get it exactly right, Oh wow, 446 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: luxury prisons for the rich in America? What women Utah prison? 447 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: Can cops force you to do a lie detector test? 448 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: If someone is poisoned? What does it go down on 449 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: the death certificate? As? I mean literally that one to me, 450 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: How do you explain that search weekend? If someone is poisoned, 451 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 2: what does it go down on death certificate? As? And 452 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: by the way, I know what her attorneys are going 453 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 2: to try to say, well, she was just wondering if 454 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: she was charged with it, what would it No, you 455 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: would say, how could someone be accused of poisoning? Like 456 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 2: you know what you would do? These searches tell you 457 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: exactly what was. 458 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: In her heart. You can't get inside her. 459 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: But as a journ using common sense, there it is. 460 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 2: Those searches are the smoking gun. Yes, great to hear 461 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: from the house creek keeper. Great to hear from the 462 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: forensic experts and from the police on the scene and 463 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 2: looking at that body cam and watching her reaction and 464 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: hearing about all of her choices before and after those searches. 465 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: To me, I can't unsee them. I can't unhear them 466 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: as a juror, and you can't explain them to me 467 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: that would make any sense other than the fact she 468 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 2: did something and was trying to find a way out 469 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: of that. 470 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: And they do. They have a hell of a circumstantial 471 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: case against her. This is a case that was anticipated 472 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: to go at least a month. I've heard them say 473 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: as much as five weeks, but now I have I mean, honestly, Robes, 474 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: things have been a little slow, and it's taken a 475 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: little time, and they've asked the delays and they lost 476 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: a full day, so who knows how long this thing 477 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: is going to go. Now, Yep, we did mention though ropes. Look, 478 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: we talk about circumstantial stuff and stuff you can't under see. 479 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: Those searches just don't make sense. That an innocent person 480 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: would do luxury prisons for the rich in America is 481 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: something that's going to stay with me the entire trial. 482 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: That's just it's like you're an entitled murderer. 483 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: Maybe she was doing research on Glene Maxwell. 484 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, for nonviolent offenders. And unless she has something that 485 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: she can blackmail a very prominent public official with, I 486 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: don't think she's gonna get the same treatment. 487 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: That's a separate episode of Folks. We'll tell you where 488 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: you can find that one. But this was another part 489 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: of the circumstantial evidence that just doesn't make sense and 490 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: you won't be able to explain it away. But the 491 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: housekeeper said that after Eric Richards died, she reached out 492 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: to Corey Richards and she was concerned and she should 493 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: have been Robes. This housekeeper in her mind, now, this 494 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: is part that is very convincing to me. In her mind, 495 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: she knows she provided drugs to Corey Richins. She now 496 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: knows that Eric Richards is dead, so the first thing 497 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 1: in her mind was about herself, was about, oh my god, 498 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: did I purchase drugs that end up killing this guy? 499 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: So she reached out that to me, Robes is authentic. 500 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: So they did have in court the exchange between her 501 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: and Corey Richins, and I believe she just did this 502 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: from memory, right. It wasn't like a video or a yes, 503 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: excuse me audio, but this was the exchange she said 504 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: she had with Corey Richins. And I think this says 505 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: a lot. 506 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, she testified to this. She said that she said 507 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: to Corey, please tell me these pills were not for him. 508 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 2: Corey Richins, No, they were not. Eric passed away from 509 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: a brain ANEURYSM. 510 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: Okay, what does that tell you? So who if they 511 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: weren't for him, who were they for an investor? According 512 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: to Corey, an investor who is not on the witness list, 513 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: by the way, and we have no idea who that 514 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: person is. Afterwards, Robes they were saying, like weeks after 515 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: or something, the housekeeper asked Richard's about drugs and she said, no, 516 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: I don't need anything. The investor what left town left town. 517 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: This was after the investor left town. But that exchange 518 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: robes seems to be an authentic one, at least from 519 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: the housekeeper, like she's concerned, I gave you drugs and 520 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: he's dead. If I provided them, I'm in trouble. That 521 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: seemed authentic yep to me. Yep. 522 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 2: And look, why would someone This is also just a 523 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 2: very valid point go on the stand and admit to 524 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 2: all of this, like this is she has put. I 525 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: know that she's getting a sweetheart deal, and I know 526 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: that she is getting off, but this she said, she 527 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: wanted to do the right thing. She's clean and sober, 528 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: and she talked about her daughter's overdoses, and she said, 529 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: I just I don't want to have this weighing on me. 530 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: That she said part of her motivation was also just 531 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: to do the right thing. 532 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: I get that. I can understand that. But I can 533 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: also understand that any juror looking at her and say, woman, 534 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: you will say anything you have to stay out of prison. 535 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: Keep in mind, also, if one word she said on 536 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: the stand proves to be not true, she's going to 537 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: prison for a long time. That's a part of the deal. 538 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: You have to tell the truth. So she is also, 539 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: as we say, incentive to make sure she does not 540 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: mess her story up in terms of telling a lie. 541 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: So this is one we will keep a very close 542 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: eye on some of these details. As you said, Robes, 543 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: what's your title of the trial? 544 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: Oh, I like Children's Grief author murder trial. 545 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: That's what we're going with. It's a bit of a mouthful, 546 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: but it tells the whole story in one line. Folks, 547 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: we will follow this keep an eye on this feed. 548 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: Of course, we're following several high profile trials. It seems 549 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: a new one pops up every week. 550 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: It certainly does, and of course you can always catch 551 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: We covered this trial and as you pointed out, many 552 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: others on our regular feed, Amy and TJ versus Amy 553 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: and TJ Presents, which is what you're on right now, 554 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: So please feel free to go back and forth between 555 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: the two. We try to give different types of episode 556 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: for different audiences, but please be a fan of both. 557 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: We would really appreciate that. As always, thank you for 558 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: listening to us. I made me Robock alongside TJ. Holmes. 559 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.