Speaker 1: I don't know if you have telenovela songs living rent
Speaker 1: free in your head, but I do. Is there any
Speaker 1: one specific song that you remember?
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, growing up it was Maria Merce. I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, you know that one.
Speaker 1: Yes, Falia Hello. I think they would revoke my Mexican
Speaker 1: card if I didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you would have been solely Puerto Rican after
Speaker 2: that moment.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that, Nothing wrong with that. Okay, but
Speaker 1: do you remember this one telenovela. It was called abrasa
Speaker 1: memo Ferte. It was a little short lived, not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: It really only ran for like a year, but it
Speaker 1: was peak of popularity at the time.
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, tell me more so.
Speaker 1: It's a classic Mexican novella. Right, there's a young woman.
Speaker 1: She falls in love with a ranch hand who works
Speaker 1: on her parents farm always. But of course, what happened
Speaker 1: she gets knocked up?
Speaker 2: Joo. Okay, but wait a minute, what does this have
Speaker 2: to do with one Gabrielle.
Speaker 1: No, he's not the daddy I was hoping, But he
Speaker 1: did sing the theme song to the novella.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, hold on, hold on albrassa mem we The
Speaker 2: song is so dramatic, so it makes total sense. It
Speaker 2: would intro at telenovela. It starts off like a soft
Speaker 2: ballad and then builds up with all these violins and
Speaker 2: a super powerful orchestra.
Speaker 1: And can we just hold a second. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the lyrics. It is so classic one Gabriel. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got passion and emotion.
Speaker 2: You mean albrasa mekeel, tempos ma lois. I can't do
Speaker 2: him justice, I just I can't.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the effort and out dark. Go back
Speaker 1: and watch this, you guys on YouTube. It is worth
Speaker 1: the rewatch. But imagine those lyrics on top of an
Speaker 1: equally drum antique title sequence. Okay, so let me set
Speaker 1: the stage for you guys. There's this couple in an
Speaker 1: embrace in front of a waterfall, passionate making out, and
Speaker 1: then scenes of what looks like a betrayal.
Speaker 2: No God, imagine hearing that every single night. What an
Speaker 2: intense start to an evening.
Speaker 1: But our Wilitas and arthias they loved that intensity so
Speaker 1: much so that in two thousand and one it reached
Speaker 1: number one in the Billboard's Top Latin Song Chart. It
Speaker 1: sat at top of the chart for a total of
Speaker 1: Get This nine Weeks Abrasamer, which was the title album,
Speaker 1: was eventually even nominated for a Grammy.
Speaker 2: Wow Hwangi started off the new millennium at the top
Speaker 2: of his game.
Speaker 1: That's right. He continued to write award winning songs for
Speaker 1: popular music artists, dazzle the crowds at live performances, and
Speaker 1: of course win Akolie around the world.
Speaker 2: And it was at this height of heights that people
Speaker 2: began to ask questions.
Speaker 1: Rumors about one Gabriel's personal life swirled in the media
Speaker 1: for years. People of course still adored him, but the
Speaker 1: speculation about his personal life was ceaseless.
Speaker 2: Today we're getting to Juan Gabriel's career during the odds
Speaker 2: and twenty tens and his impact on queer latiness.
Speaker 1: I'm your host Liliana Ooscaz.
Speaker 2: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an.
Speaker 1: Icon, a weekly podcast where we give you the rundown
Speaker 1: on how today's most famous latinv stars have shaped pop culture.
Speaker 2: And given the world some extra level.
Speaker 1: Sit back and get comfortable.
Speaker 2: Because we are going in the only way we know how.
Speaker 1: With Buena's vivas I juenasriesas some cheese and a lot
Speaker 1: of opinions as we relive the latest achievements on our
Speaker 1: journey to find out what makes them still iconic. Imagine
Speaker 1: this New Year's Eve nineteen ninety nine. Everyone is waiting
Speaker 1: for y two k with baited bread.
Speaker 2: People thought all that shit was going to go down.
Speaker 2: I remember being at a club in quades like, am
Speaker 2: I going to be able to cross back? I stay crazy? Also,
Speaker 2: why would I still go out? I'm like, why yuch?
Speaker 1: Not A lot has changed for you since nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: But come hell or high water, you were not alone.
Speaker 1: There were massive events coordinated around the world to ring
Speaker 1: in the year two thousand in style, and one of
Speaker 1: those events was held in Mexico City's Zokaro, the fifty
Speaker 1: seven point six thousand square meter public square in the
Speaker 1: middle of the capitol. And can you guess who performed?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, don't tell meld No what Joseph.
Speaker 1: They don't even pop up for like four more years.
Speaker 1: Try again, Okay, right right, Guangy's Sting ding Ding. He
Speaker 1: performed on stage for more than three hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand people to ring in the new year.
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, nobody got sucked in to
Speaker 2: the matrix.
Speaker 1: Nope, Wanga performed on a stage that arched over the plaza,
Speaker 1: accompanied by Mariacci. He owned that stage with a three
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty degree view to a cheering crowd.
Speaker 2: What a way to start the new millennium, it was.
Speaker 1: And his performance was emblematic of the epic live shows
Speaker 1: that he would go on to give throughout the rest
Speaker 1: of the odds.
Speaker 2: Amazing by the way.
Speaker 1: He also returned to El Socolo in two thousand and
Speaker 1: four to give another major show. This time it was
Speaker 1: a spring concert that the Mexican government put on called
Speaker 1: Noche de prima Verra. Why don't we get things like that?
Speaker 1: Like why can we not have nice things in the
Speaker 1: United States?
Speaker 2: Completely?
Speaker 1: Like where is our Noche de prima Verra? Our government
Speaker 1: needs to step it up. Let's just say in a
Speaker 1: lot of departments. But anyway, that Noche had all sorts
Speaker 1: of musical artists and Wanghi's, of course, was the grand finale.
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, but what made this spring show so major?
Speaker 1: Well, in true Latino fashion, the concert started at one
Speaker 1: a m. And lasted five hours. Basically, it wasn't the party,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the after party. It was the after after party.
Speaker 2: What talk about the stamina at the right, Like, can
Speaker 2: you imagine singing for that long? No?
Speaker 1: I can't, And damn did Wan Gabriel sing? He sang
Speaker 1: fifty two songs to a crowd of eighty thousand people.
Speaker 2: That is way longer than the Beyonce Renaissance show.
Speaker 1: Taylor's eras tour. At this point in his career, he'd
Speaker 1: been in the music industry for almost thirty years, so
Speaker 1: he had a massive catalog to choose from. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he was gonna do all the hits.
Speaker 2: Okay, so his slang live performances all throughout the two thousands.
Speaker 2: So what else does he have going on?
Speaker 1: I'm so happy you asked Joseph Wanghi's the hit Maker
Speaker 1: kept on writing hits for other artists after.
Speaker 2: Ten albums with Rossio Urgan, The Man doesn't stop.
Speaker 1: Exactly just before Wanghi's rang in the New Millennium. In
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, Mexican pop rock band Mana performed Semelo
Speaker 1: Vido Travis on MTV Unplugged.
Speaker 2: I Love those Days, Ricky Shakita all had legendary performances
Speaker 2: where they'd play like a stripped down version of their songs.
Speaker 1: Well Wangabrielle originally saying that song as a ranchtra complete
Speaker 1: with Mariacci.
Speaker 2: Right. It's slow and conveys this like sadness of being
Speaker 2: forgotten story of my life. Literally, the song is about
Speaker 2: the constant reminder of unrequitted.
Speaker 1: L ov definitely the story of your life, like at
Speaker 1: least for the last three years. But nonetheless, when you
Speaker 1: listen to this song, it feels like total heartbreak. And well,
Speaker 1: ma Na's rendition couldn't be farther from that vibe. It
Speaker 1: sounded more like this kind of bright like reggae influence song,
Speaker 1: completely different vibes. Also worth the watch. Just google it
Speaker 1: on YouTube.
Speaker 2: It's so good it actually makes me want to dance,
Speaker 2: Like as soon as you start hearing these gonga drums
Speaker 2: in the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, and then the horns come in and
Speaker 1: it is just a good time.
Speaker 2: It's hard to believe it's about a sad feeling. But
Speaker 2: who said a bench needs to be happy to dance?
Speaker 1: I mean, hello, have you ever been out with us?
Speaker 1: By the way, we are happy people. We just feel deeply,
Speaker 1: that's all.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Mana's version was such a hit it went on to
Speaker 1: in an inaugural Latin Grammy in two thousand for Best
Speaker 1: Pop Performance by a Duo or Group with vocal.
Speaker 2: You know another Mexican rock band that made a Huangabrida
Speaker 2: song famous, no tell Me Well. A couple of years later,
Speaker 2: the Hagua Is, one of Mexico's most beloved rock bands,
Speaker 2: made the song cool again.
Speaker 1: Haguada Is filled stadiums and they gave Wanghi's a nod.
Speaker 2: Guang Gabrielo originally sing a song as a romantic ballad
Speaker 2: accompanied with an orchestra or mariacci.
Speaker 1: And the song is really beautiful, y'all. Wanga goes on
Speaker 1: and on, how great the person he loves this and
Speaker 1: of course because it's Wangba, very dramatic and of course
Speaker 1: full of emotion. With those lyrics, he's basically begging for
Speaker 1: his lover to never leave him.
Speaker 2: Better know me kids, nunka, nunca nuca. You know they
Speaker 2: say that it's kind of like rock. I thought it
Speaker 2: was a little more like alternative.
Speaker 1: I think alt is a great way to describe it, right,
Speaker 1: But how does it translate into a rock song?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: How is version of that starts off with the strum
Speaker 2: of guitars and then a wailing harmonica and then you know,
Speaker 2: this ghetto voice sings the lyrics we all know. Again,
Speaker 2: it's totally different from the original vibe. It's a different
Speaker 2: type of emotion, kind of like a Nirvana feeling. Ooh,
Speaker 2: I feel like that.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's why Wanga's song became so popular again, Right.
Speaker 1: It's a song that we all know. We've heard it
Speaker 1: a million times, so there's obviously the nostalgia factor, but
Speaker 1: it's getting a new twist and I think that's what's
Speaker 1: bringing in the people, right, And it showed.
Speaker 2: The song was on top of the charts in Mexico
Speaker 2: for months in two thousand and two.
Speaker 1: And it really proved that Wanghi's had staying power. A
Speaker 1: whole new generation of music lovers was being introduced to
Speaker 1: his songs.
Speaker 2: But that didn't stop some noseass benches from asking questions.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and two was wild, y'all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, extra low rise jens and mid drifts were all
Speaker 2: the rage, and don't make me get the picks I have.
Speaker 1: Of you, please please save me. Nobody needs to see
Speaker 1: my frosty, dusty eyeshadow.
Speaker 2: Don't don't even get me started on that.
Speaker 1: You know what also happened in two Wanga had that
Speaker 1: one very important interview on Primrimbacto.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, BIMs, we are going to talk about it
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Say less, let's go first, we do need to back
Speaker 1: it up because we need to set the stage for
Speaker 1: you guys. It is two thousand and two. This is
Speaker 1: twenty two years ago, right, Mexico still had not legalized
Speaker 1: same sex marriage, which would not happen until two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine. And let's be honest, we keep it real
Speaker 1: here on becoming an icon. Mexico's culture is very Catholic, conservative,
Speaker 1: and of course very macho right.
Speaker 2: By today's standards. The machismo is rampant. Homophobia is everywhere,
Speaker 2: and people even used to say that's so gay as
Speaker 2: an insult, and you know what, that's so gay.
Speaker 1: I love you. And because Wanga is so flamboyant on
Speaker 1: stage and isn't afraid of wearing sparkles or lente juelas
Speaker 1: and of course showing his femininity, so many called his
Speaker 1: sexuality into question. That brings us to a sit down
Speaker 1: interview Wangabriel did with host Fernando de ldrincon from premering Bacto.
Speaker 1: This highly popular Spanish language news program on Univicion.
Speaker 2: Fernando basically brings up that people think he's gay.
Speaker 1: He's sharing that people are speculating because there were these
Speaker 1: photos released of Wanga with a hoven rue. That is
Speaker 1: a direct quote from the interview, and apparently it was
Speaker 1: rumored that Wan Gay had got him a car and
Speaker 1: that he had flown him to Mexico. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was giving Diane Sawyer attacking Britney spears vibes.
Speaker 2: If you know, you know, okay, So then Kwanga's like, oh,
Speaker 2: so you're interested in knowing.
Speaker 1: And Fernando is like, yeah, I'm asking you. We're live, and.
Speaker 2: Wan is like, okay, well then I'll answer you decent. No, mijo,
Speaker 2: it's the meho for me, all of that sass in
Speaker 2: just that one word.
Speaker 1: And translation for our non Spanish speakers. He said, they say,
Speaker 1: don't question what you can see, Miho.
Speaker 2: I love that you kept me.
Speaker 1: He goes on to say that people are smart, they're
Speaker 1: not dumb, and that people ask these questions for TV ratings.
Speaker 1: I mean, he basically read Fernando in the moment. Fernando
Speaker 1: was not ready. He was not ready for Wanga and
Speaker 1: He also continues to say that he's an artist and
Speaker 1: he has already given people so much with his music.
Speaker 1: He does not owe you anything. He also ends by
Speaker 1: saying that we get one life to live, and you
Speaker 1: have to live it and not worry about all of
Speaker 1: the gossa like enough.
Speaker 2: Pat, I mean, he basically said, keep it moving, sir,
Speaker 2: and I neither confirm nor deny anything.
Speaker 1: Was that a wink?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 1: It was an audio wink. The thing is Wanga didn't
Speaker 1: have to confirm his sexuality because he transcended gender norms
Speaker 1: and queered the stage with his mere presence.
Speaker 2: It was enough for him to show up and be
Speaker 2: seen as he was to make a total impact for
Speaker 2: the LGBTQ Latinos everywhere.
Speaker 1: Author Benjamin Alita Signs put it so succinctly in a
Speaker 1: tribute after Wanga's death, quote, he was an open scene
Speaker 1: and the straight community adored him because he had the
Speaker 1: virtue that every Mexican man admires. He had courage. He
Speaker 1: moved Mexico through his songs his queerness. In every note.
Speaker 1: He defined his own manhood through a queerness that could
Speaker 1: not be hidden and could not be denied in a
Speaker 1: country where men like him were not considered men at all.
Speaker 1: Macho Mexico's response was simply to return the love he
Speaker 1: so freely offered in the songs he so passionately sang.
Speaker 1: With every performance, I got goosebumps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good. That was good.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, Benjamin, you want to come on becoming
Speaker 1: an icon as our special after the icon's guests, are
Speaker 1: you Benjamin?
Speaker 2: For other queer Latinos, because Huanga was accepted in their
Speaker 2: family's homes with open arms, it helped them come out too.
Speaker 2: Chicano poet Eduardo Sil said that when he came out
Speaker 2: to his mom in high school, he was worried about
Speaker 2: what his father would think and one of the rights
Speaker 2: Later that night, when he came home from the oil mill,
Speaker 2: my mother told my father his response, so quangam Yeah,
Speaker 2: look at him. He's successful and.
Speaker 1: Loved no and that right there is the power of elievo.
Speaker 1: He really was true to himself and people adored him
Speaker 1: for it, like the power of authenticity. If you don't
Speaker 1: believe it, here you go, what on icon? Seriously? Goosebumps?
Speaker 2: Okay, we all know that Wanga was one oak aka,
Speaker 2: one of a kind and the best expression of that
Speaker 2: was through his fits.
Speaker 1: I have been waiting for this part of this episode
Speaker 1: because we need to discuss this man.
Speaker 2: Loved a theatrical suit, bold colors, sparkles, and never met
Speaker 2: a brocade he didn't wear.
Speaker 1: We have so many photos that we've looked at for
Speaker 1: this episode. It was actually hard for us to narrow
Speaker 1: it down. And if you guys follow me on Instagram,
Speaker 1: you know that style is my love language. This is
Speaker 1: like what I transact in every day, and honestly, it
Speaker 1: was so hard to narrow it down to our favorite
Speaker 1: wan Ga fits because there's just so many good ones.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look back at other artists, right,
Speaker 1: like if you look back at Selena, if you look
Speaker 1: back at any stage costume that Harry Styles has ever worn,
Speaker 1: I feel like they are all deeply rooted in things
Speaker 1: that Wangabda has worn. Like there's this one of him
Speaker 1: where he is in a i'm gonna call it like
Speaker 1: a deep eggplant purple blazer, okay, and there's like little
Speaker 1: almost like sequin stringies hanging from all over the jacket.
Speaker 1: It almost looks like Ostrich feathers, but they're sparkling. And
Speaker 1: then he has a bolow tie. Made of the same
Speaker 1: fabric from the jacket.
Speaker 2: Wait, bolo tie. That is a flash back, right there, flashback.
Speaker 1: And then I think one of my favorite, which I
Speaker 1: think you also really liked too, was the beautiful, like
Speaker 1: floral embroidered jacket with the gold shirt and the green
Speaker 1: tie so good.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminded me of a weep bee. Do
Speaker 2: you know what that is?
Speaker 1: No, what's a weep bee?
Speaker 2: So I went to chop Us in Mexico, like for
Speaker 2: a wedding or whatever, and there are these like indigenous
Speaker 2: people who live there and they wear this thing and
Speaker 2: it's like embroidered flowers and stuff, and it kind of
Speaker 2: reminded me of that. I bet you that jacket was
Speaker 2: really hot.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. I know exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just literally real time. I actually just googled that,
Speaker 1: and I think you're right. It's that very traditional embroidery.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. You guys have to look it up and
Speaker 1: then listen. The man loved pastels. Give him any shade,
Speaker 1: give him any shade of pink, and he will own it.
Speaker 1: And what I think is so beautiful too, is a
Speaker 1: lot of his looks were obviously inspired by traditional mariachi wear,
Speaker 1: but he made it so bold and it popped and
Speaker 1: it was so loud, which is everything that Mariaci is like.
Speaker 1: That is the true essence of Mariacci.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a challenge for you. I want you
Speaker 2: to describe Quangovde's style in three words or less, damn.
Speaker 1: Loud, living mm hmm, mother.
Speaker 2: You know what I thought you were gonna say? Brocade?
Speaker 2: Like I literally thought one of those words is going
Speaker 2: to be that. But yeah, those are that. That is him.
Speaker 1: I personally would love to incorporate a little bit more
Speaker 1: of Wanghi's like style into my wardrobe because I often
Speaker 1: find that, you know, I dress like pretty simple and
Speaker 1: basic in my every day just because I'm a mom
Speaker 1: and I get busy, and I know, for you, Joseph,
Speaker 1: you have kind of like a uniform, right, like you
Speaker 1: really do all black head to toe.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But he's inspiring to me in that way because I
Speaker 1: feel like he just gives you permission to dress without
Speaker 1: any fear. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2: You know? I'm also just kind of wondering if like
Speaker 2: the machismo. Now now I'm curious, right, I wonder if
Speaker 2: the maucheesemos watching this didn't think that this was his
Speaker 2: style but more like a stage But like, I think
Speaker 2: this was really how you address And I wonder if
Speaker 2: people thought it was, like you know, how we see
Speaker 2: Lady Gaga dress on stage. It's like a different scene, right,
Speaker 2: I wonder if people thought that about these looks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do think that pop stars in
Speaker 1: general get a pass because their stage persona is not
Speaker 1: necessarily their real life persona, right, Like Beyonce talks about
Speaker 1: this all the time. Right when she's on stage, She's
Speaker 1: not Beyonce, she's Sasha Fears. You kind of almost have
Speaker 1: to step into this like alternate ego to perform at
Speaker 1: that level. But what I think is so amazing about
Speaker 1: him is, you know, now in twenty twenty four, we
Speaker 1: have all these conversations about gender fluidity and how disruptive
Speaker 1: people like Bad Bunny and Harry's styles.
Speaker 2: And don't bring up Harry styles.
Speaker 1: Wait I have to bring up Harry styles. Hold, but
Speaker 1: we talk about how disruptive they are, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about it in twenty twenty four. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're they are like barely making a dent because Wanghi's
Speaker 1: was revolutionary at that time to be doing that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, we give a lot of credit to these men,
Speaker 1: but like, if you really want to give credit, like
Speaker 1: we're going to need to go back, Like we're going
Speaker 1: to need to honor the true disruptor, and that's Juan
Speaker 1: Gabriel because at this time, the only other person that
Speaker 1: was doing this was really Elton John. And remember he
Speaker 1: was doing that as a man who was living his
Speaker 1: authentic life. People understood that he had boyfriends and he
Speaker 1: was fully out and that was in the US, not
Speaker 1: in Mexico. So if you think about how groundbreaking Juan
Speaker 1: Gabriel was for the time, I mean, you got to
Speaker 1: put some respect on his name, whether you're a fan
Speaker 1: of his music or not. Like that in itself is iconic.
Speaker 2: I'm curious if they've archived any of this, Like if
Speaker 2: you could like go to this museum to see all
Speaker 2: of his original custom pieces. Like we're going on trip, bitch,
Speaker 2: We're gonna go find his outfits.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for Uncovering Wangabriel's Outfits the podcast. It's so true,
Speaker 1: it's so true, and I think it's just amazing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, as somebody that covers the red carpet. I'm
Speaker 1: deep in that all the time, and I love seeing
Speaker 1: what these guys are doing, like Bedro, Pascal, Austin Butler,
Speaker 1: Timothy Shalamey, Harry's styles, like what they've worn at met
Speaker 1: Gallas past. I was so deep in research when we
Speaker 1: were pulling together this episode. There's even an entire reddit. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I know you probably don't go on it, but
Speaker 1: there's an entire reddit called the theory of Wangabriel and
Speaker 1: Harry's Styles as Outfits, and they actually do side by
Speaker 1: sides of Wanga's look and Harry's look. And what's amazing
Speaker 1: is in one of the photos Harry is actually performing
Speaker 1: in Mexico City and what is he's wearing. He is
Speaker 1: basically wearing a mariachi fit inspired by Wanga. There is
Speaker 1: full fringe along the sleeves of the jacket, just like
Speaker 1: Wanga's jacket, and it has that same floral that you
Speaker 1: saw in check Us. So try to tell me that
Speaker 1: Harry style is not fully fully stealing and borrowing from
Speaker 1: one GI's he is fact, I mean he is, he is,
Speaker 1: and Harry styles people can come for me. All I
Speaker 1: know is that Harry got so much inspo from him.
Speaker 1: You guys have to find this reddit.
Speaker 2: Harry Styles Stylists. We are onto you.
Speaker 1: Harry Styles Stylist is just one. Hey the man. I
Speaker 1: feel like we could do an entire episode just on
Speaker 1: Wangabdiha's fashions.
Speaker 2: But wait, I was about to start it. I was
Speaker 2: about to be like, let's do it, let's go.
Speaker 1: You guys can meet us on Instagram Live for that.
Speaker 1: But we've got to wrap up the show, so please
Speaker 1: stick around because next week we're diving into the end
Speaker 1: of one Gabie's life and the incredible legacy that he's
Speaker 1: left behind. Thanks for listening, and we'll catch you here
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