1
00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have telenovela songs living rent

2
00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,920
Speaker 1: free in your head, but I do. Is there any

3
00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,080
Speaker 1: one specific song that you remember?

4
00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,880
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, growing up it was Maria Merce. I mean,

5
00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,280
Speaker 2: come on, you know that one.

6
00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,040
Speaker 1: Yes, Falia Hello. I think they would revoke my Mexican

7
00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:26,960
Speaker 1: card if I didn't.

8
00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you would have been solely Puerto Rican after

9
00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:30,040
Speaker 2: that moment.

10
00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,080
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that, Nothing wrong with that. Okay, but

11
00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,280
Speaker 1: do you remember this one telenovela. It was called abrasa

12
00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,160
Speaker 1: memo Ferte. It was a little short lived, not gonna lie.

13
00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,599
Speaker 1: It really only ran for like a year, but it

14
00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,280
Speaker 1: was peak of popularity at the time.

15
00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,040
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, tell me more so.

16
00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,760
Speaker 1: It's a classic Mexican novella. Right, there's a young woman.

17
00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,200
Speaker 1: She falls in love with a ranch hand who works

18
00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,800
Speaker 1: on her parents farm always. But of course, what happened

19
00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,680
Speaker 1: she gets knocked up?

20
00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,679
Speaker 2: Joo. Okay, but wait a minute, what does this have

21
00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:05,959
Speaker 2: to do with one Gabrielle.

22
00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,520
Speaker 1: No, he's not the daddy I was hoping, But he

23
00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,959
Speaker 1: did sing the theme song to the novella.

24
00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,600
Speaker 2: Oh okay, hold on, hold on albrassa mem we The

25
00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,080
Speaker 2: song is so dramatic, so it makes total sense. It

26
00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,919
Speaker 2: would intro at telenovela. It starts off like a soft

27
00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,920
Speaker 2: ballad and then builds up with all these violins and

28
00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,320
Speaker 2: a super powerful orchestra.

29
00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,199
Speaker 1: And can we just hold a second. Let's talk about

30
00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,399
Speaker 1: the lyrics. It is so classic one Gabriel. I mean,

31
00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,480
Speaker 1: you've got passion and emotion.

32
00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:46,319
Speaker 2: You mean albrasa mekeel, tempos ma lois. I can't do

33
00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,000
Speaker 2: him justice, I just I can't.

34
00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,600
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the effort and out dark. Go back

35
00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,880
Speaker 1: and watch this, you guys on YouTube. It is worth

36
00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,040
Speaker 1: the rewatch. But imagine those lyrics on top of an

37
00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,720
Speaker 1: equally drum antique title sequence. Okay, so let me set

38
00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,480
Speaker 1: the stage for you guys. There's this couple in an

39
00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,560
Speaker 1: embrace in front of a waterfall, passionate making out, and

40
00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,040
Speaker 1: then scenes of what looks like a betrayal.

41
00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:22,520
Speaker 2: No God, imagine hearing that every single night. What an

42
00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,040
Speaker 2: intense start to an evening.

43
00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,720
Speaker 1: But our Wilitas and arthias they loved that intensity so

44
00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,280
Speaker 1: much so that in two thousand and one it reached

45
00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,560
Speaker 1: number one in the Billboard's Top Latin Song Chart. It

46
00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,480
Speaker 1: sat at top of the chart for a total of

47
00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,480
Speaker 1: Get This nine Weeks Abrasamer, which was the title album,

48
00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,840
Speaker 1: was eventually even nominated for a Grammy.

49
00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,960
Speaker 2: Wow Hwangi started off the new millennium at the top

50
00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:50,839
Speaker 2: of his game.

51
00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,760
Speaker 1: That's right. He continued to write award winning songs for

52
00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,280
Speaker 1: popular music artists, dazzle the crowds at live performances, and

53
00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,200
Speaker 1: of course win Akolie around the world.

54
00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,360
Speaker 2: And it was at this height of heights that people

55
00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,320
Speaker 2: began to ask questions.

56
00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,919
Speaker 1: Rumors about one Gabriel's personal life swirled in the media

57
00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,840
Speaker 1: for years. People of course still adored him, but the

58
00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,440
Speaker 1: speculation about his personal life was ceaseless.

59
00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,560
Speaker 2: Today we're getting to Juan Gabriel's career during the odds

60
00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,400
Speaker 2: and twenty tens and his impact on queer latiness.

61
00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm your host Liliana Ooscaz.

62
00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,360
Speaker 2: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an.

63
00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,600
Speaker 1: Icon, a weekly podcast where we give you the rundown

64
00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,160
Speaker 1: on how today's most famous latinv stars have shaped pop culture.

65
00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,280
Speaker 2: And given the world some extra level.

66
00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,120
Speaker 1: Sit back and get comfortable.

67
00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,840
Speaker 2: Because we are going in the only way we know how.

68
00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,760
Speaker 1: With Buena's vivas I juenasriesas some cheese and a lot

69
00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,240
Speaker 1: of opinions as we relive the latest achievements on our

70
00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:13,960
Speaker 1: journey to find out what makes them still iconic. Imagine

71
00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,400
Speaker 1: this New Year's Eve nineteen ninety nine. Everyone is waiting

72
00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,919
Speaker 1: for y two k with baited bread.

73
00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,360
Speaker 2: People thought all that shit was going to go down.

74
00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,520
Speaker 2: I remember being at a club in quades like, am

75
00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,760
Speaker 2: I going to be able to cross back? I stay crazy? Also,

76
00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,160
Speaker 2: why would I still go out? I'm like, why yuch?

77
00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,479
Speaker 1: Not A lot has changed for you since nineteen ninety nine.

78
00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,200
Speaker 1: But come hell or high water, you were not alone.

79
00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,360
Speaker 1: There were massive events coordinated around the world to ring

80
00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,360
Speaker 1: in the year two thousand in style, and one of

81
00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,159
Speaker 1: those events was held in Mexico City's Zokaro, the fifty

82
00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,440
Speaker 1: seven point six thousand square meter public square in the

83
00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,560
Speaker 1: middle of the capitol. And can you guess who performed?

84
00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, don't tell meld No what Joseph.

85
00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,120
Speaker 1: They don't even pop up for like four more years.

86
00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,560
Speaker 1: Try again, Okay, right right, Guangy's Sting ding Ding. He

87
00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,880
Speaker 1: performed on stage for more than three hundred and fifty

88
00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,039
Speaker 1: thousand people to ring in the new year.

89
00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, nobody got sucked in to

90
00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:20,680
Speaker 2: the matrix.

91
00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,600
Speaker 1: Nope, Wanga performed on a stage that arched over the plaza,

92
00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,800
Speaker 1: accompanied by Mariacci. He owned that stage with a three

93
00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,000
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty degree view to a cheering crowd.

94
00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,359
Speaker 2: What a way to start the new millennium, it was.

95
00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,680
Speaker 1: And his performance was emblematic of the epic live shows

96
00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,920
Speaker 1: that he would go on to give throughout the rest

97
00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:43,520
Speaker 1: of the odds.

98
00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,440
Speaker 2: Amazing by the way.

99
00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,880
Speaker 1: He also returned to El Socolo in two thousand and

100
00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,600
Speaker 1: four to give another major show. This time it was

101
00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,800
Speaker 1: a spring concert that the Mexican government put on called

102
00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,760
Speaker 1: Noche de prima Verra. Why don't we get things like that?

103
00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,320
Speaker 1: Like why can we not have nice things in the

104
00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:00,919
Speaker 1: United States?

105
00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:01,520
Speaker 2: Completely?

106
00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,560
Speaker 1: Like where is our Noche de prima Verra? Our government

107
00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,480
Speaker 1: needs to step it up. Let's just say in a

108
00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,880
Speaker 1: lot of departments. But anyway, that Noche had all sorts

109
00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,560
Speaker 1: of musical artists and Wanghi's, of course, was the grand finale.

110
00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,640
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, but what made this spring show so major?

111
00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,080
Speaker 1: Well, in true Latino fashion, the concert started at one

112
00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:32,920
Speaker 1: a m. And lasted five hours. Basically, it wasn't the party,

113
00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't the after party. It was the after after party.

114
00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:43,520
Speaker 2: What talk about the stamina at the right, Like, can

115
00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,440
Speaker 2: you imagine singing for that long? No?

116
00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,279
Speaker 1: I can't, And damn did Wan Gabriel sing? He sang

117
00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,200
Speaker 1: fifty two songs to a crowd of eighty thousand people.

118
00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,679
Speaker 2: That is way longer than the Beyonce Renaissance show.

119
00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,880
Speaker 1: Taylor's eras tour. At this point in his career, he'd

120
00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,400
Speaker 1: been in the music industry for almost thirty years, so

121
00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,880
Speaker 1: he had a massive catalog to choose from. So yeah,

122
00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,200
Speaker 1: he was gonna do all the hits.

123
00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so his slang live performances all throughout the two thousands.

124
00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:18,960
Speaker 2: So what else does he have going on?

125
00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm so happy you asked Joseph Wanghi's the hit Maker

126
00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,960
Speaker 1: kept on writing hits for other artists after.

127
00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,040
Speaker 2: Ten albums with Rossio Urgan, The Man doesn't stop.

128
00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,120
Speaker 1: Exactly just before Wanghi's rang in the New Millennium. In

129
00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,440
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, Mexican pop rock band Mana performed Semelo

130
00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,560
Speaker 1: Vido Travis on MTV Unplugged.

131
00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,240
Speaker 2: I Love those Days, Ricky Shakita all had legendary performances

132
00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,800
Speaker 2: where they'd play like a stripped down version of their songs.

133
00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:54,480
Speaker 1: Well Wangabrielle originally saying that song as a ranchtra complete

134
00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:55,280
Speaker 1: with Mariacci.

135
00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,120
Speaker 2: Right. It's slow and conveys this like sadness of being

136
00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,600
Speaker 2: forgotten story of my life. Literally, the song is about

137
00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,560
Speaker 2: the constant reminder of unrequitted.

138
00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,560
Speaker 1: L ov definitely the story of your life, like at

139
00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,840
Speaker 1: least for the last three years. But nonetheless, when you

140
00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,680
Speaker 1: listen to this song, it feels like total heartbreak. And well,

141
00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,840
Speaker 1: ma Na's rendition couldn't be farther from that vibe. It

142
00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,280
Speaker 1: sounded more like this kind of bright like reggae influence song,

143
00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,640
Speaker 1: completely different vibes. Also worth the watch. Just google it

144
00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:31,239
Speaker 1: on YouTube.

145
00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,160
Speaker 2: It's so good it actually makes me want to dance,

146
00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,840
Speaker 2: Like as soon as you start hearing these gonga drums

147
00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:37,760
Speaker 2: in the beginning.

148
00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, and then the horns come in and

149
00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,560
Speaker 1: it is just a good time.

150
00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,839
Speaker 2: It's hard to believe it's about a sad feeling. But

151
00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,480
Speaker 2: who said a bench needs to be happy to dance?

152
00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean, hello, have you ever been out with us?

153
00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,080
Speaker 1: By the way, we are happy people. We just feel deeply,

154
00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:55,800
Speaker 1: that's all.

155
00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:57,199
Speaker 2: Well.

156
00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,719
Speaker 1: Mana's version was such a hit it went on to

157
00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,240
Speaker 1: in an inaugural Latin Grammy in two thousand for Best

158
00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,320
Speaker 1: Pop Performance by a Duo or Group with vocal.

159
00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,679
Speaker 2: You know another Mexican rock band that made a Huangabrida

160
00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,680
Speaker 2: song famous, no tell Me Well. A couple of years later,

161
00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,000
Speaker 2: the Hagua Is, one of Mexico's most beloved rock bands,

162
00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,480
Speaker 2: made the song cool again.

163
00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,440
Speaker 1: Haguada Is filled stadiums and they gave Wanghi's a nod.

164
00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,960
Speaker 2: Guang Gabrielo originally sing a song as a romantic ballad

165
00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,760
Speaker 2: accompanied with an orchestra or mariacci.

166
00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,160
Speaker 1: And the song is really beautiful, y'all. Wanga goes on

167
00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,800
Speaker 1: and on, how great the person he loves this and

168
00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,640
Speaker 1: of course because it's Wangba, very dramatic and of course

169
00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,280
Speaker 1: full of emotion. With those lyrics, he's basically begging for

170
00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,319
Speaker 1: his lover to never leave him.

171
00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:54,600
Speaker 2: Better know me kids, nunka, nunca nuca. You know they

172
00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,319
Speaker 2: say that it's kind of like rock. I thought it

173
00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,680
Speaker 2: was a little more like alternative.

174
00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,480
Speaker 1: I think alt is a great way to describe it, right,

175
00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,280
Speaker 1: But how does it translate into a rock song?

176
00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:05,080
Speaker 2: Right?

177
00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:05,319
Speaker 1: So?

178
00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,800
Speaker 2: How is version of that starts off with the strum

179
00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,040
Speaker 2: of guitars and then a wailing harmonica and then you know,

180
00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,800
Speaker 2: this ghetto voice sings the lyrics we all know. Again,

181
00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,920
Speaker 2: it's totally different from the original vibe. It's a different

182
00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,360
Speaker 2: type of emotion, kind of like a Nirvana feeling. Ooh,

183
00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:25,000
Speaker 2: I feel like that.

184
00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,240
Speaker 1: And maybe that's why Wanga's song became so popular again, Right.

185
00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,520
Speaker 1: It's a song that we all know. We've heard it

186
00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,240
Speaker 1: a million times, so there's obviously the nostalgia factor, but

187
00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,000
Speaker 1: it's getting a new twist and I think that's what's

188
00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,240
Speaker 1: bringing in the people, right, And it showed.

189
00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,720
Speaker 2: The song was on top of the charts in Mexico

190
00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,520
Speaker 2: for months in two thousand and two.

191
00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,480
Speaker 1: And it really proved that Wanghi's had staying power. A

192
00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,360
Speaker 1: whole new generation of music lovers was being introduced to

193
00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:54,000
Speaker 1: his songs.

194
00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,960
Speaker 2: But that didn't stop some noseass benches from asking questions.

195
00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,320
Speaker 1: Two thousand and two was wild, y'all.

196
00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, extra low rise jens and mid drifts were all

197
00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,840
Speaker 2: the rage, and don't make me get the picks I have.

198
00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,800
Speaker 1: Of you, please please save me. Nobody needs to see

199
00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,079
Speaker 1: my frosty, dusty eyeshadow.

200
00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,880
Speaker 2: Don't don't even get me started on that.

201
00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,360
Speaker 1: You know what also happened in two Wanga had that

202
00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,320
Speaker 1: one very important interview on Primrimbacto.

203
00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,280
Speaker 2: Oh yes, BIMs, we are going to talk about it

204
00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,040
Speaker 2: right now.

205
00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,559
Speaker 1: Say less, let's go first, we do need to back

206
00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,559
Speaker 1: it up because we need to set the stage for

207
00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,400
Speaker 1: you guys. It is two thousand and two. This is

208
00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,199
Speaker 1: twenty two years ago, right, Mexico still had not legalized

209
00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,400
Speaker 1: same sex marriage, which would not happen until two thousand

210
00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,199
Speaker 1: and nine. And let's be honest, we keep it real

211
00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:08,400
Speaker 1: here on becoming an icon. Mexico's culture is very Catholic, conservative,

212
00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,640
Speaker 1: and of course very macho right.

213
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,840
Speaker 2: By today's standards. The machismo is rampant. Homophobia is everywhere,

214
00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,520
Speaker 2: and people even used to say that's so gay as

215
00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,760
Speaker 2: an insult, and you know what, that's so gay.

216
00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,240
Speaker 1: I love you. And because Wanga is so flamboyant on

217
00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,000
Speaker 1: stage and isn't afraid of wearing sparkles or lente juelas

218
00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,559
Speaker 1: and of course showing his femininity, so many called his

219
00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:40,000
Speaker 1: sexuality into question. That brings us to a sit down

220
00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,360
Speaker 1: interview Wangabriel did with host Fernando de ldrincon from premering Bacto.

221
00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,240
Speaker 1: This highly popular Spanish language news program on Univicion.

222
00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,360
Speaker 2: Fernando basically brings up that people think he's gay.

223
00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,920
Speaker 1: He's sharing that people are speculating because there were these

224
00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,679
Speaker 1: photos released of Wanga with a hoven rue. That is

225
00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,559
Speaker 1: a direct quote from the interview, and apparently it was

226
00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,559
Speaker 1: rumored that Wan Gay had got him a car and

227
00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,040
Speaker 1: that he had flown him to Mexico. I mean, it

228
00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,839
Speaker 1: was giving Diane Sawyer attacking Britney spears vibes.

229
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,560
Speaker 2: If you know, you know, okay, So then Kwanga's like, oh,

230
00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,559
Speaker 2: so you're interested in knowing.

231
00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,680
Speaker 1: And Fernando is like, yeah, I'm asking you. We're live, and.

232
00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:31,640
Speaker 2: Wan is like, okay, well then I'll answer you decent. No, mijo,

233
00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,000
Speaker 2: it's the meho for me, all of that sass in

234
00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,359
Speaker 2: just that one word.

235
00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,440
Speaker 1: And translation for our non Spanish speakers. He said, they say,

236
00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,560
Speaker 1: don't question what you can see, Miho.

237
00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:48,719
Speaker 2: I love that you kept me.

238
00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,440
Speaker 1: He goes on to say that people are smart, they're

239
00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,760
Speaker 1: not dumb, and that people ask these questions for TV ratings.

240
00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he basically read Fernando in the moment. Fernando

241
00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,559
Speaker 1: was not ready. He was not ready for Wanga and

242
00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,199
Speaker 1: He also continues to say that he's an artist and

243
00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,839
Speaker 1: he has already given people so much with his music.

244
00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,200
Speaker 1: He does not owe you anything. He also ends by

245
00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,959
Speaker 1: saying that we get one life to live, and you

246
00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,439
Speaker 1: have to live it and not worry about all of

247
00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,080
Speaker 1: the gossa like enough.

248
00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,600
Speaker 2: Pat, I mean, he basically said, keep it moving, sir,

249
00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,240
Speaker 2: and I neither confirm nor deny anything.

250
00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:32,040
Speaker 1: Was that a wink?

251
00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:32,480
Speaker 2: It was?

252
00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,400
Speaker 1: It was an audio wink. The thing is Wanga didn't

253
00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,640
Speaker 1: have to confirm his sexuality because he transcended gender norms

254
00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,440
Speaker 1: and queered the stage with his mere presence.

255
00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,960
Speaker 2: It was enough for him to show up and be

256
00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,680
Speaker 2: seen as he was to make a total impact for

257
00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,200
Speaker 2: the LGBTQ Latinos everywhere.

258
00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,960
Speaker 1: Author Benjamin Alita Signs put it so succinctly in a

259
00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,000
Speaker 1: tribute after Wanga's death, quote, he was an open scene

260
00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,800
Speaker 1: and the straight community adored him because he had the

261
00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,840
Speaker 1: virtue that every Mexican man admires. He had courage. He

262
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,160
Speaker 1: moved Mexico through his songs his queerness. In every note.

263
00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,040
Speaker 1: He defined his own manhood through a queerness that could

264
00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,360
Speaker 1: not be hidden and could not be denied in a

265
00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,760
Speaker 1: country where men like him were not considered men at all.

266
00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,320
Speaker 1: Macho Mexico's response was simply to return the love he

267
00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,640
Speaker 1: so freely offered in the songs he so passionately sang.

268
00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,119
Speaker 1: With every performance, I got goosebumps.

269
00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good. That was good.

270
00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, Benjamin, you want to come on becoming

271
00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,240
Speaker 1: an icon as our special after the icon's guests, are

272
00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,000
Speaker 1: you Benjamin?

273
00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,800
Speaker 2: For other queer Latinos, because Huanga was accepted in their

274
00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,800
Speaker 2: family's homes with open arms, it helped them come out too.

275
00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,680
Speaker 2: Chicano poet Eduardo Sil said that when he came out

276
00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,080
Speaker 2: to his mom in high school, he was worried about

277
00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,160
Speaker 2: what his father would think and one of the rights

278
00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,960
Speaker 2: Later that night, when he came home from the oil mill,

279
00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,880
Speaker 2: my mother told my father his response, so quangam Yeah,

280
00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,560
Speaker 2: look at him. He's successful and.

281
00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,440
Speaker 1: Loved no and that right there is the power of elievo.

282
00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,480
Speaker 1: He really was true to himself and people adored him

283
00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,080
Speaker 1: for it, like the power of authenticity. If you don't

284
00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:18,080
Speaker 1: believe it, here you go, what on icon? Seriously? Goosebumps?

285
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,920
Speaker 2: Okay, we all know that Wanga was one oak aka,

286
00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,840
Speaker 2: one of a kind and the best expression of that

287
00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,600
Speaker 2: was through his fits.

288
00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,040
Speaker 1: I have been waiting for this part of this episode

289
00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,760
Speaker 1: because we need to discuss this man.

290
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:49,240
Speaker 2: Loved a theatrical suit, bold colors, sparkles, and never met

291
00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,400
Speaker 2: a brocade he didn't wear.

292
00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,800
Speaker 1: We have so many photos that we've looked at for

293
00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,840
Speaker 1: this episode. It was actually hard for us to narrow

294
00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,800
Speaker 1: it down. And if you guys follow me on Instagram,

295
00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,080
Speaker 1: you know that style is my love language. This is

296
00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,639
Speaker 1: like what I transact in every day, and honestly, it

297
00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,280
Speaker 1: was so hard to narrow it down to our favorite

298
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,320
Speaker 1: wan Ga fits because there's just so many good ones.

299
00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look back at other artists, right,

300
00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,440
Speaker 1: like if you look back at Selena, if you look

301
00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,200
Speaker 1: back at any stage costume that Harry Styles has ever worn,

302
00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,119
Speaker 1: I feel like they are all deeply rooted in things

303
00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,840
Speaker 1: that Wangabda has worn. Like there's this one of him

304
00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,320
Speaker 1: where he is in a i'm gonna call it like

305
00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:42,359
Speaker 1: a deep eggplant purple blazer, okay, and there's like little

306
00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,760
Speaker 1: almost like sequin stringies hanging from all over the jacket.

307
00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,680
Speaker 1: It almost looks like Ostrich feathers, but they're sparkling. And

308
00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,960
Speaker 1: then he has a bolow tie. Made of the same

309
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,320
Speaker 1: fabric from the jacket.

310
00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,359
Speaker 2: Wait, bolo tie. That is a flash back, right there, flashback.

311
00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,399
Speaker 1: And then I think one of my favorite, which I

312
00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,600
Speaker 1: think you also really liked too, was the beautiful, like

313
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,520
Speaker 1: floral embroidered jacket with the gold shirt and the green

314
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,520
Speaker 1: tie so good.

315
00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,840
Speaker 2: It kind of reminded me of a weep bee. Do

316
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:11,600
Speaker 2: you know what that is?

317
00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:12,760
Speaker 1: No, what's a weep bee?

318
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,240
Speaker 2: So I went to chop Us in Mexico, like for

319
00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,359
Speaker 2: a wedding or whatever, and there are these like indigenous

320
00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,520
Speaker 2: people who live there and they wear this thing and

321
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,000
Speaker 2: it's like embroidered flowers and stuff, and it kind of

322
00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,159
Speaker 2: reminded me of that. I bet you that jacket was

323
00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:24,880
Speaker 2: really hot.

324
00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. I know exactly. Okay,

325
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,280
Speaker 1: I just literally real time. I actually just googled that,

326
00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,080
Speaker 1: and I think you're right. It's that very traditional embroidery.

327
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:35,600
Speaker 2: I loved it.

328
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,840
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. You guys have to look it up and

329
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,879
Speaker 1: then listen. The man loved pastels. Give him any shade,

330
00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,720
Speaker 1: give him any shade of pink, and he will own it.

331
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,600
Speaker 1: And what I think is so beautiful too, is a

332
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,240
Speaker 1: lot of his looks were obviously inspired by traditional mariachi wear,

333
00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,359
Speaker 1: but he made it so bold and it popped and

334
00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,399
Speaker 1: it was so loud, which is everything that Mariaci is like.

335
00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,960
Speaker 1: That is the true essence of Mariacci.

336
00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a challenge for you. I want you

337
00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 2: to describe Quangovde's style in three words or less, damn.

338
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:20,200
Speaker 1: Loud, living mm hmm, mother.

339
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 2: You know what I thought you were gonna say? Brocade?

340
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,679
Speaker 2: Like I literally thought one of those words is going

341
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 2: to be that. But yeah, those are that. That is him.

342
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 1: I personally would love to incorporate a little bit more

343
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,119
Speaker 1: of Wanghi's like style into my wardrobe because I often

344
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,359
Speaker 1: find that, you know, I dress like pretty simple and

345
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,960
Speaker 1: basic in my every day just because I'm a mom

346
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 1: and I get busy, and I know, for you, Joseph,

347
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,680
Speaker 1: you have kind of like a uniform, right, like you

348
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 1: really do all black head to toe.

349
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

350
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,639
Speaker 1: But he's inspiring to me in that way because I

351
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 1: feel like he just gives you permission to dress without

352
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,880
Speaker 1: any fear. Is that fair to say?

353
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 2: You know? I'm also just kind of wondering if like

354
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,639
Speaker 2: the machismo. Now now I'm curious, right, I wonder if

355
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 2: the maucheesemos watching this didn't think that this was his

356
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,160
Speaker 2: style but more like a stage But like, I think

357
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 2: this was really how you address And I wonder if

358
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 2: people thought it was, like you know, how we see

359
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,239
Speaker 2: Lady Gaga dress on stage. It's like a different scene, right,

360
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 2: I wonder if people thought that about these looks.

361
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do think that pop stars in

362
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 1: general get a pass because their stage persona is not

363
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 1: necessarily their real life persona, right, Like Beyonce talks about

364
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 1: this all the time. Right when she's on stage, She's

365
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 1: not Beyonce, she's Sasha Fears. You kind of almost have

366
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 1: to step into this like alternate ego to perform at

367
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,880
Speaker 1: that level. But what I think is so amazing about

368
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 1: him is, you know, now in twenty twenty four, we

369
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 1: have all these conversations about gender fluidity and how disruptive

370
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: people like Bad Bunny and Harry's styles.

371
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 2: And don't bring up Harry styles.

372
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 1: Wait I have to bring up Harry styles. Hold, but

373
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 1: we talk about how disruptive they are, and you know,

374
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about it in twenty twenty four. I mean,

375
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: they're they are like barely making a dent because Wanghi's

376
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 1: was revolutionary at that time to be doing that. I mean,

377
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: I know, we give a lot of credit to these men,

378
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 1: but like, if you really want to give credit, like

379
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 1: we're going to need to go back, Like we're going

380
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 1: to need to honor the true disruptor, and that's Juan

381
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 1: Gabriel because at this time, the only other person that

382
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 1: was doing this was really Elton John. And remember he

383
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: was doing that as a man who was living his

384
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: authentic life. People understood that he had boyfriends and he

385
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: was fully out and that was in the US, not

386
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: in Mexico. So if you think about how groundbreaking Juan

387
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: Gabriel was for the time, I mean, you got to

388
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: put some respect on his name, whether you're a fan

389
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: of his music or not. Like that in itself is iconic.

390
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm curious if they've archived any of this, Like if

391
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 2: you could like go to this museum to see all

392
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: of his original custom pieces. Like we're going on trip, bitch,

393
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: We're gonna go find his outfits.

394
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for Uncovering Wangabriel's Outfits the podcast. It's so true,

395
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: it's so true, and I think it's just amazing. I mean,

396
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, as somebody that covers the red carpet. I'm

397
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: deep in that all the time, and I love seeing

398
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: what these guys are doing, like Bedro, Pascal, Austin Butler,

399
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: Timothy Shalamey, Harry's styles, like what they've worn at met

400
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: Gallas past. I was so deep in research when we

401
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: were pulling together this episode. There's even an entire reddit. Okay,

402
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: and I know you probably don't go on it, but

403
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: there's an entire reddit called the theory of Wangabriel and

404
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: Harry's Styles as Outfits, and they actually do side by

405
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: sides of Wanga's look and Harry's look. And what's amazing

406
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: is in one of the photos Harry is actually performing

407
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: in Mexico City and what is he's wearing. He is

408
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: basically wearing a mariachi fit inspired by Wanga. There is

409
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: full fringe along the sleeves of the jacket, just like

410
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: Wanga's jacket, and it has that same floral that you

411
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: saw in check Us. So try to tell me that

412
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: Harry style is not fully fully stealing and borrowing from

413
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: one GI's he is fact, I mean he is, he is,

414
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: and Harry styles people can come for me. All I

415
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: know is that Harry got so much inspo from him.

416
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: You guys have to find this reddit.

417
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: Harry Styles Stylists. We are onto you.

418
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: Harry Styles Stylist is just one. Hey the man. I

419
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: feel like we could do an entire episode just on

420
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: Wangabdiha's fashions.

421
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: But wait, I was about to start it. I was

422
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 2: about to be like, let's do it, let's go.

423
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: You guys can meet us on Instagram Live for that.

424
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: But we've got to wrap up the show, so please

425
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: stick around because next week we're diving into the end

426
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: of one Gabie's life and the incredible legacy that he's

427
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 1: left behind. Thanks for listening, and we'll catch you here

428
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: next week on Becoming an Icon. Becoming an Icon is

429
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: presented by and I Heeart's Michael Kuda podcast Network. Listen

430
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: to Becoming an Icon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast,

431
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcast