WEBVTT - “We Had To Pluck Our Eyebrows A Certain Way” | Avoiding Cults

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<v Speaker 1>It was very weird and there was no critical You

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<v Speaker 1>could not be critical of the team leader at all,

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<v Speaker 1>Like any criticism was met with just like.

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<v Speaker 2>A brick wall. That's the red flag, dude. It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the team leader had a special name that we

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<v Speaker 1>all had to call her what I'm not even kidding, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>like a mother god or whatever, you know that cult

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<v Speaker 1>mother god. Yeah. Yeah, she had a special name that

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<v Speaker 1>we all had to call her at the practices and

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<v Speaker 1>if you didn't, someone would correct you. Wow, like we

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<v Speaker 1>were encouraged to like correct each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa Yeah, Better Better.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to More Better, the podcast where we stopped pretending

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<v Speaker 1>to have it all together and embrace the what.

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<v Speaker 2>The journey of something coming at and more better every day.

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<v Speaker 2>That's mostly a marrow and that's Stephanie Beatrice. Hi, Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for the editors to figure that one out.

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<v Speaker 2>That that was all over the place. We are not

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<v Speaker 2>going to redo it. It's not happening. How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am good? How are you friend? What are you

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<v Speaker 2>doing lately? That's a little more better?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I have been. I bought some electrolyte powder. I

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<v Speaker 1>bought some fucking electrolyte powder. To have in the mornings,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, Yeah, I bought a low sodium one.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you feeling good?

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<v Speaker 1>I actually do feel I did leave it in the

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<v Speaker 1>other room oopsis, but I like it. It's it. I

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<v Speaker 1>took a bunch of pockets with me recently on like

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<v Speaker 1>a trip, and they were really great. And yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>just am really, uh, what's the harm?

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<v Speaker 2>What are I'm going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>I'd been taking one that's a little less sodium because

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<v Speaker 1>the highestodium ones like give me the give me the bloats,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're they're intense. Yeah, yeah, but I'm liking it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it gives me a little like, uh

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<v Speaker 2>like a little perk up when I do it in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning. I know it's which I like.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely have felt a difference on the days that

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<v Speaker 1>I remember to take it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great. What have you been doing that's more better?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks inspired by you? Oh that makes me feel good.

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<v Speaker 2>I just got a physical yesterday, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I've been a little more better at just making sure

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<v Speaker 2>like all my doctor's appointments are being taken care of

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<v Speaker 2>while I am not working right now so much and

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<v Speaker 2>have some time. Yeah, I have a cyst in my

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<v Speaker 2>arm that I've had for like years. It's in like

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<v Speaker 2>a it's in a special place because it sort of

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<v Speaker 2>looks like a muscle sometimes, but it's getting bigger and

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<v Speaker 2>I just needed bitch. What Yeah, it's like this. I

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<v Speaker 2>forgot what it's called. It's one of those cists that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure is not anything bad. What do they call it? God?

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<v Speaker 1>And Gangle insists, Okay, yeah, those are the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes people have on their hands and they pop them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think so, Lila. I had this one in

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<v Speaker 2>my twenties and got it taken out, and then almost

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years later or more, I don't know, Uh, it

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<v Speaker 2>came back after I had axel. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it was like pregnancy hormones. So people were saying, my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Some doctors have said that it means they didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>it all out the first time. But I'm like, for

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years, like, oh my god, there was nothing and

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<v Speaker 2>then it just came back. But I guess I'm getting these.

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<v Speaker 1>Bodies are booty dude bodies now, whack.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm finally having a consultation about it. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So after saying for like a year that I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, congrats. It's very hard to make yourself do

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<v Speaker 1>things like that. You just want to go like it's fine, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Brad had an MRS yesterday. Ooh nice for his shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>He's had like an issue in his shoulder. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>the same kind of thing. It's like I'm sure it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just take some.

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<v Speaker 1>Pills or whatever, and like I'm really glad you did that. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really glad you you you're doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything that's yeah, it's like anything that's off you just

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<v Speaker 2>gotta you're like, yes, it's annoying. Yes, you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to like you know, I think what stopped me too

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<v Speaker 2>was having it like oh the stitches, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to have to like stop working out

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<v Speaker 2>for But it's like those are all dumb reasons, like this,

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<v Speaker 2>where is it? Where is it? It's like right here

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<v Speaker 2>like in the front. Yeah. So sometimes if I like

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<v Speaker 2>have my hand on my hip, it sort of folds

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<v Speaker 2>into like look like it makes me look like I

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<v Speaker 2>have a more defied shoulder muscle than I do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but then, like I've seen red carpet photos like a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit from the side and it's like boop and

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<v Speaker 2>you just like see a bump and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's not no, we need to get that out, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>The red carpet. It's growing, it's getting bigger. So it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a little scar you get, like a cool little

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<v Speaker 2>scar there. Yeah, if you don't want I don't, uh no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fine. I'm going to a plastic surgeon to see

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<v Speaker 2>if they can do it like in my armpit more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's great, or at least if they have

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<v Speaker 2>to do it in the middle, it'll be like a

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<v Speaker 2>better scar because it's a plastic surgeon.

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<v Speaker 1>My dermatologist has this incredible skin. It's like for scarring

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, like when I get acne, like turns

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<v Speaker 1>really dark brown dark, or like if I scrape my

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<v Speaker 1>foot or something, it's got like a huge dark spot.

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<v Speaker 2>So she gave me this. Oh I can't remember what

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<v Speaker 2>it's call.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll look it up right now, but it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>scar gel that you put on there and it is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Melissa like, okay, this is not an ad, guys, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>take it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we could put it in the show now. Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Scars also always turn dark or brown. Wait can you

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<v Speaker 2>see this one, this new burn when I got oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the white one. Yeah, that's the first time I've had

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<v Speaker 2>a scar look like this. Oh that's so interesting. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I never had a white scar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've had you know what, I've had white spot

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<v Speaker 1>mating my face from sun.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. I used to get those when I was a kid. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They used to tell me. I don't know if this

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<v Speaker 2>is true. They used to tell me it was because

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<v Speaker 2>I I touched lemon or something and then touched my

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<v Speaker 2>face and you bleached your skin. Yeah, like lemon or lime.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, ah, you must have touched you know something citrus.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, cut to me with lather, like slathering

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<v Speaker 1>lemon in my hair, laying out by the pool. When

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<v Speaker 1>I was sixteen, kind of get blonde quote unquote blonde,

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<v Speaker 1>my orange ass hair and in your high Oh yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what was that week son in sun.

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<v Speaker 2>In just turned my hair red? Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And all the commercials would be like these white girls

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<v Speaker 1>with this beautiful blonde.

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<v Speaker 2>Hair like shiny, and I'd be like, yes, that is

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<v Speaker 2>what is about to happen. Yes, No, just got some

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<v Speaker 2>auburn ass hair more better. Okay, what are we talking

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<v Speaker 2>about today? We are talking about avoiding cults, getting more

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<v Speaker 2>better at avoiding cults. Guys, I know that was a

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<v Speaker 2>sharp right turn this, nurse. I tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to talk about this because I've had personal experience.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's just define cult really fast, which is like

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<v Speaker 1>the dictionary definition of cults is like devotion, great devotion,

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<v Speaker 1>intense devotion to a person, idea object, movement, or work

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<v Speaker 1>like a film or book or the object is the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you're devoted to. And it's usually like a

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<v Speaker 1>small group of people. Sometimes it's a very big group

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<v Speaker 1>of people. Can be a system of religious relief, religious

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<v Speaker 1>beliefs or a formal religion. Can be like a political group.

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<v Speaker 1>Mega me.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse you. Yeah, So like.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing about cults stuff. The thing about cults though,

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<v Speaker 1>I do think they're fascinating. I listen to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of true crime podcasts or whenever there's a cult episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think they're super fascinating. My sister listens to

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<v Speaker 1>some ex fundamentalists podcasts that are really fascinating that we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about sometimes what is that It's like fundamentalist Christianity,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you know, like there's super strict rules and like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're religious beliefs in isolation from people. So like,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing I want to like, we have a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the thing that I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>for versus my personal experience, which is like a mini

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<v Speaker 1>cult and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to be tricky to talk about because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to name names. But I was part of a team.

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<v Speaker 2>When I first moved to LA.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a really hard time because I all of

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<v Speaker 1>my friends were in New York mostly you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you saw that. He saw the recognition go on.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like when were you almost part of a cult?

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<v Speaker 2>Right time?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? So I was like desperate for friends. I was

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<v Speaker 1>new to LA. I didn't have like a group that

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<v Speaker 1>was like my friends, right, And we had started work

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<v Speaker 1>and like work was cool and we were friendly at work.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the very beginning. And so I joined this team.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I joined, I had to audition and it

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<v Speaker 1>was very select process and I was like, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd made it in, you know, and it was really

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see the signs at first.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like I'm just part of this team.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were things like we all had to dress

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<v Speaker 1>a certain way. We were all kind of expected to

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<v Speaker 1>like at our practices, we had to like it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of felt like you had to conform to a certain

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<v Speaker 1>practice look, right. So like certain certain people that were

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<v Speaker 1>already on the team had their like practice outfits, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so you would come to practice and it would

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, I have to look like this. So

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<v Speaker 1>then you start like modifying how you're dressing a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>or like modifying like how you like showing.

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<v Speaker 2>A Yeah, it's like felt weird. It kind of plays.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you can be individual, but it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>has to be within this strict guideline, right, interesting, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And like you know, for practice, I would never wear

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<v Speaker 1>like basketball shorts. That would not be okay, even though

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<v Speaker 1>what we were doing was super physical with our bodies

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't really matter, but that's not what was expected.

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<v Speaker 1>And like in team, like in like the competitions or

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<v Speaker 1>the games or like the performances or whatever, we definitely

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<v Speaker 1>had to it had to look a certain way and

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<v Speaker 1>is less about a uniform and more about a look.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we were even encouraged to pluck our eyebrows a

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<v Speaker 1>certain way.

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<v Speaker 2>And no eyebrows. Not the eyebrows.

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<v Speaker 1>We were encouraged to the eyebrows specific specific eyebrow artists.

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<v Speaker 2>That was, by the way, very expensive. Also, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>the one part of your body that can like change forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Like all of us that survived the nineties will correct

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<v Speaker 2>you correct. Some of us got lucky and that shit

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<v Speaker 2>grew back. Yeah, but a lot of us it's not

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<v Speaker 2>up there. Oh yeah, it's definitely like not what it

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<v Speaker 2>could have what could have been? What could have been?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that was the thing, right, Like we were encouraged to,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I grew out my eyebrows for like four months.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the makeup artists so triggered by that.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the makeup artists on Brooklyn was like, can

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<v Speaker 1>I please pluck your eyebrows?

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<v Speaker 2>I was like no, I'm not allowed. Like I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not allowed. There were things like.

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<v Speaker 1>Certain things that we were encouraged to eat, certain ways.

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<v Speaker 2>We were encouraged to show up like.

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<v Speaker 1>You kind of needed to be at I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>was a these practices were all this is all unpaid, right, like, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like for fun. This was all making paid like

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<v Speaker 2>you're making friends, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Most Like I think I added it up once and

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<v Speaker 1>it was something like twelve hours of practice every week

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<v Speaker 1>and if you didn't go to the practices, you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to play, Like you weren't allowed to perform, to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the thing. You weren't allowed It was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you missed Friday's practice, so you can't come.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait. It was true for you even though you were

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<v Speaker 2>working on Brooklyn, Like if you couldn't yes because you

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<v Speaker 2>were on set.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck that, and like and it made you feel you

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<v Speaker 1>were meant made to feel like you're letting everybody down.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like super and because this is like my

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<v Speaker 1>only friend group now, like the isolation of the group

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<v Speaker 1>became it was like you had to fit in and

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<v Speaker 1>and and people got cut, like people got like there

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<v Speaker 1>was a second round of auditions when I had been on.

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<v Speaker 2>The team for a couple months, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like certain people just didn't like it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the aesthetic, you know what I mean, like the I'm

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<v Speaker 1>making quote marks, but like they weren't the aesthetic. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, so what is this? Is this like casting

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<v Speaker 1>for an ad or are we playing on a team?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what are we actually doing here? It was very

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<v Speaker 1>weird and there was no critical. You could not be

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<v Speaker 1>critical of the team leader at all, Like any criticism

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<v Speaker 1>was met with just like the ball It was right, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy like the team when leader had a

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<v Speaker 1>special name that we all had to call her what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even kidding dude, like a mother god or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that cult mother god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about it in a minute, but like she had

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<v Speaker 1>a special name that we all had to call her. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>the practices and if you didn't, someone would correct you,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we were encouraged to like correct each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, WHOA. What's interesting is I remember this time and

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<v Speaker 2>I remember like yeah, because it was still like early

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<v Speaker 2>Brooklyn days and and like for people that don't work

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<v Speaker 2>this job, like you know, if you're on a show

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<v Speaker 2>and a long running show like Brooklyn, like we all

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<v Speaker 2>got along from the get go. We all were like

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<v Speaker 2>very bonded, but you're still like coworkers and going to

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<v Speaker 2>work like you're keeping things like pretty professional in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we really started to like open up

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<v Speaker 2>about our personal lives and stuff until like season two

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<v Speaker 2>or three. Yeah, right, like's it was also I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was more surface stuff like we talked about

0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.320
<v Speaker 2>our lives, but like we didn't get deep until like

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<v Speaker 2>later in the run, you know, yeah, and so so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So you and I obviously hit it off from the

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<v Speaker 2>get go, and we were like especially bonded, like being

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<v Speaker 2>scared about losing our jobs, being the two Latinas, and

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<v Speaker 2>we talked a lot about our lives and stuff. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember you when you were doing this and like

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it, and you were like excited. But also

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<v Speaker 2>I remember thinking, like I can tell she really likes this,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's like when someone's giving like a stress energy,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean, when they're like I

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<v Speaker 2>really love this thing. It's really great, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's fine, like you know, there's certain things, but like

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay, like you know, it's just like every oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god. And I remember clocking that like a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit here and there, not all the time, but I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know you well enough to be like, hey, girl,

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<v Speaker 2>what's really going on? What's what's going on over there?

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<v Speaker 2>And uh? And I feel like we even talked about

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you even invited me to like come

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<v Speaker 2>watch or even audition or something, and I was like, eh,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like group of girls make me nervous. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing. It's like answer, But it's just really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting because it wasn't until you were out of it

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<v Speaker 2>then you really started telling me like all that went on.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember having that feeling of like, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I picked up on a lit something maybe was off

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but not like that, not like where I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, there's a red flag thing happening. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>I need to like really check in on my friends

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<v Speaker 2>and make sure she's okay. Yeah, you know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of chalked it up to like, you know, how

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<v Speaker 2>gaggles of girls be crazy sometimes, gaggle certain gagles, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that is what is terrifying to me

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<v Speaker 2>about cults is like you might not always know that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know a lot of times it's like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because they are seemingly happy and excited and like doing

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<v Speaker 2>this new thing, and you're like, oh wow, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen you so energized or whatever, you know, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like unless you get that spidey sense or you know

0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.159
<v Speaker 2>the person really well and you're like something's off and

0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.840
<v Speaker 2>you have the balls to be like, hey, like really

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<v Speaker 2>tell me more about this, it's so easy to miss.

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<v Speaker 2>But even then, even then, even even if you ask

0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.640
<v Speaker 2>the questions, even if you say right, you know, when

0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:11.080
<v Speaker 2>I was kind of deep in it, I I mean,

0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.719
<v Speaker 2>colts don't prey on people that are like happy and

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<v Speaker 2>well adjusted, right, like right, because the happy and well

0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:24.679
<v Speaker 2>adjusted women that were on that team, they didn't stay

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<v Speaker 2>like they would write. They'd be like, oh I gotta go,

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<v Speaker 2>oh you know yeah, or like.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, women that had dealt with There was a girl

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<v Speaker 1>on the a woman on the team who had dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with some I'm like rubbing my heart, but like she

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<v Speaker 1>had dealt with some trauma, and she had such a

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<v Speaker 1>visceral reaction to being on the team, and she left

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<v Speaker 1>because she was like this is horrible. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you're dealing with this. And I was like, oh, wow, bad,

0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, but like she knew it, she knew it

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<v Speaker 1>inside her gut.

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<v Speaker 2>More better.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to like jump down to like a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of nerd time, because yeah, I think it's important

0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.639
<v Speaker 1>to sort of say like, Okay, so there's this doctor

0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.880
<v Speaker 1>who's a PhD. His name is Stephen Hassan. He developed

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<v Speaker 1>this model, which I think is really interesting, called the

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<v Speaker 1>byte model, to describe cults specific methods to recruit and

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<v Speaker 1>maintain control over people. BITE stands for behavior, information, thought,

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<v Speaker 1>and emotional control. The BITE models should be used to

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<v Speaker 1>help determine authoritarian control. Colts don't recruit you at your strongest.

0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:39.159
<v Speaker 1>They target people during transitions, new city, breakup, job loss, grief,

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<v Speaker 1>searching for meaning. Stephen Hassan is an American mental health

0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.760
<v Speaker 1>professional and an author who specializes in the area of cults.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also is an ex Mooney the Unification Church.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was actually in a cult and developed this model.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was reading this before our session, but like

0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I was reading some of it out loud to Brat

0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.800
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, oh, because so much of it

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<v Speaker 1>is like, let me read a couple things that are culty, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So in behavior behavior control, these are just like a

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<v Speaker 1>couple things. But you can look this up. It's freedomomind

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. But behavior control regulate individual's physical reality. Dictate where, how,

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<v Speaker 1>and with whom the member lives and associates or isolates.

0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Regulate diet, food and drink, hunger or fasting. Control types

0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:39.040
<v Speaker 1>of clothing hairstyles, eyebrows, eyebrows, eyebrows, eyebrows, no basketball shorts,

0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:43.239
<v Speaker 1>restrict leisure, entertainment, and vacation time. That again is like

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<v Speaker 1>those twelve hours of practices, and I was like, oh

0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.120
<v Speaker 1>my god, I don't I'm not doing anything. Permission required

0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.879
<v Speaker 1>for major decisions. You had to be like, is it

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<v Speaker 1>cool if I cut my hair? Imposed rules and regulations.

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<v Speaker 1>There's more right, Okay. Information control, one of them is

0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.919
<v Speaker 1>like deception, deliberately withhold information, distort information to make it

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:10.639
<v Speaker 1>more acceptable. Systematically lie that was things that the leader

0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 1>definitely did that we just didn't know at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Encourage spying on other members so you were like encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>to like correct or like tell or like. Thought control

0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:28.720
<v Speaker 1>require members to internalize the group's doctrine as truth, like

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<v Speaker 1>this is how we do it, this is who we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Change a person's name or identity. Use of loaded language

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<v Speaker 1>and cliches, which constrict knowledge, stop critical thoughts, and reduce

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<v Speaker 1>complexities into platitudinous buzzwords. Encourage only good and proper thoughts.

0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Emotional control manipulate and narrow the range of feelings. Teach

0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:54.040
<v Speaker 1>emotion stopping techniques to block feelings of homesickness, anger, doubt,

0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.200
<v Speaker 1>make the person feel that problems are always their own fault,

0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:03.040
<v Speaker 1>never the leaders promote feeling of guilt or unworthiness, identity guilt,

0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.240
<v Speaker 1>you're not living up to your potential. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>big one because we would get like team notes, and

0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:14.960
<v Speaker 1>they were never everything was always like, here's the negatives,

0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.119
<v Speaker 1>here's the negatives. You guys aren't doing as good as

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<v Speaker 1>you can. And so like for a bunch of women

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:25.159
<v Speaker 1>that feel wanted to, like, you know, perform and do well,

0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:29.200
<v Speaker 1>it was so it just be like, after a while,

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<v Speaker 1>is your your ego not your ego? Your sense of

0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.760
<v Speaker 1>self gets smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller,

0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:40.480
<v Speaker 1>and that's what they want. They want that because then

0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.399
<v Speaker 1>they can control you. And usually it's related in some

0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.399
<v Speaker 1>kind of way to like money or them having power

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<v Speaker 1>over you.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe I was in it. I got out

0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.679
<v Speaker 2>and you got out. I got out and if you

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.800
<v Speaker 2>weren't in it too long. I mean there's the other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They change and shift those cults because you know, like

0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:06.600
<v Speaker 1>they change all the time. Right now, you I don't

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.720
<v Speaker 1>know anything about the TikTok dance cult thing because oh

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>my god, I want to hear about this because you

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<v Speaker 1>know about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So there is this documentary it's on Netflix. It's

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<v Speaker 2>called Dancing for the Devil. The sm so sorry, seven

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<v Speaker 2>M S seven M TikTok cult and our friend Wilmer

0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Valderrama produced it, which I didn't even realize until I

0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:34.119
<v Speaker 2>watched it. So during the pandemic, I got really into

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.280
<v Speaker 2>we were. I was spending too much time on social media,

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:41.119
<v Speaker 2>like we all were, and I had a new board,

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.360
<v Speaker 2>so a lot of it was like me sitting, you know,

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.639
<v Speaker 2>scrolling while I breastfed and stuff. And I got really

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 2>into these dancers that I found on Instagram because I

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.800
<v Speaker 2>used to dance and I'm still obviously love dance, and

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.960
<v Speaker 2>they all were doing these really cool videos and it

0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 2>was different. They were all la based the way they

0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:05.960
<v Speaker 2>were shooting their videos, and it was mostly like hip hop,

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 2>but sometimes it was other dance styles. And what I

0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 2>thought was cool was is like, you know, I would

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 2>follow one and then they would do a dance with

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 2>someone else, and I would follow that person. And I

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 2>started to notice that it was like a group of dancers,

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:19.439
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, this is so cool. Look at

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:24.000
<v Speaker 2>these cutie dancers like making content and like hustling getting

0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:28.679
<v Speaker 2>their names out there and like collaborating and yeah, and

0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:30.879
<v Speaker 2>all the like groups were like it was just cool.

0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they would do big group numbers and sometimes whatever.

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:37.199
<v Speaker 2>They would pair off in different ways. And there was

0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 2>two dancers that were a couple and they were so

0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 2>cute and sweet, and they like posted there when they

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 2>got engaged, and I was like, oh my god, Like

0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 2>I was fully you're in it, in it following these

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 2>dancers and their lives and then trying to like suss

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 2>out if there were any other couples. It was. So

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 2>then this documentary comes out on Netflix and I recognize

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 2>the dancers that I follow, and I'm like, oh my god,

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:10.640
<v Speaker 2>wait what this is ault?

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 1>What adult?

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:20.120
<v Speaker 2>So apparently they all got approached or discovered by this

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:25.920
<v Speaker 2>manager who had a company called seven M and he

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.679
<v Speaker 2>also was part of a church and he was the

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:33.719
<v Speaker 2>leader of the church. I know on all of these things.

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, tax evasion. It smells like tax evasion,

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 1>right that. So yeah, so he is like booking them

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 1>at events, helping produce all their videos, obviously getting a

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>percentage of any like endorsement deals they're getting, like because

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 1>now they're becoming like influencers on Instagram, like they all

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 1>have like so many like hundreds of thousands of followers. Yeah,

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:02.639
<v Speaker 1>so they're getting brand da da whatever, and he's taking

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 1>money from them.

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 2>And then in the documentary it says the couple the

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:10.439
<v Speaker 2>cute couple that I loved. Apparently the girl used to

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:14.160
<v Speaker 2>started dancing with her sister, but then met this manager

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 2>guy and started like distancing herself from her sister and

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 2>her whole family and like listen obviously, like no, it's

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 2>one point of view and all of these things, you

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, And like they never do they

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 2>interview the girl, the dancer. I don't think they do.

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Her family though, seems seemingly very sweet, very worried, very

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>sad that their daughter has like cut them off. The

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 2>sister is like, this was my best friend day and

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand, Like I'm devastated. I don't know what happened,

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, and and so, and I just read as

0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 2>we were like going through the outline because I was

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:02.919
<v Speaker 2>looking up where is it? I was looking up just

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 2>to make sure I didn't forget because I saw the

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.640
<v Speaker 2>documentary so long ago. And then I saw that in

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 2>this past August, the guy, the manager and church leader,

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 2>his house was raided by the FEDS and the couple

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 2>swipe wiped their social media oh so like, and then

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 2>it came out that he also like he wrapped all

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>of these dancers. And then a couple of dancers are

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 2>in the dock that like got out and they were

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>like that same thing, like you had to dress a

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 2>certain way, you had to look a certain way, you

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 2>had to isolate from your family, like he wouldn't let

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 2>you see your family, like you know, he was like

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>where your family? Like where the thing? But then it

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:48.199
<v Speaker 2>also was like tangled up in like their careers and

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 2>their ambition, and he was like you need me to

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 2>like become successful, like I can get you there, and

0:27:56.520 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 2>and then the like weird church aspect god aspect, like

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 2>he also I think made it very like God wants

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 2>you to be successful and like I'm the one that's

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>going to show you a way. It was. I did

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 2>not expect it to be so dark and twisted, and

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>it's really sad. Like the dancers that got out that

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 2>that like talked about it because they also like you

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:21.359
<v Speaker 2>could tell they still had love for like their friends,

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 2>but like they were like this is fucked up, and

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>I had out and like crazy and it was like

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 2>something that seemingly looked so innocent and that I couldn't

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 2>and then I and then I was like, I was like,

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, do I do I unfollow them all

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 2>about a cult? Yeah? It was. It was you would

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>never think. But and apparently like there's still I mean

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>that couple is they wiped their social media? Apparently I

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't notice. But now I'm like, yeah, I haven't seen

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 2>them on are they still together? Like are they I

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.239
<v Speaker 2>think they're still together, They're still in the cult? Are

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 2>they still in this? I think so because this article.

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Oh my god, I'm so stress. I

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 2>just saw this one part in the in the article

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 2>where it said Miranda's family said their concern grew and

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 2>when she declined to come home for a family funeral,

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 2>and then several attempts to contact the dancer when unanswered. Oh,

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>the final attempt to convince her, she was NonStop crying

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 2>and told them that she needed permission from someone closer

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 2>to God to attend the funeral. No, this is awful. See,

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 2>this is what I'm saying, Like, Okay, it seems like

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 2>you're not for yourself, but like, how do you It's

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 2>really hard for me to understand, like how you get

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 2>to that point even like how you give up that

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 2>much of yourself because is it just like you're so

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>you want to you don't want to be wrong, I'm

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 2>sure as part of it the sense of belonging, like

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, you're like it said, like you're new to

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 2>a city or you're out of a breakup and you're

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 2>you're so lonely that you want you need that sense

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>of belonging to something. Maybe it's that too, a sense

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 2>of belonging to something bigger than you. That definitely, and

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:22.479
<v Speaker 2>that's ways like like calling then, like you know what

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>an actual calling is, Like I don't know, but I

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 2>just it's still as hard for me to to really

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 2>imagine like giving up that much of my identity and autonomy. Yeah,

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 2>like like to say I need some although you know

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 2>what as you were talking before, and I was thinking

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 2>about like my time on the soap opera and like

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 2>certain things that we had to get permission for or

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 2>like or like I remember missing a couple family weddings

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 2>because I worked, like the summer theater job I worked,

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>had that like you're not gonna leave, Yeah, I'm not

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 2>going to leave the show, which is kind of culty

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:10.719
<v Speaker 2>and even I missed my wedding.

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>My best friend Jenna missed my wedding because she was

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>in a show, and they were like.

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 2>You can't leave, Like you can't leave, you can't leave.

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think that's COVID did a lot of

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>help with theater in that way, because now they have

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>swings and understudies even for like regional perform or they're

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>like unafraid to cancel.

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 2>But like yeah, for everybody to be like, oh, we

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 2>could figure it out, like we could the show could

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>actually actually go on. Yeah, yeah, I value and like

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>people should be allowed to show up for like major

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 2>life events like but always it always felt like, you know,

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 2>a funeral was the only a funeral of someone close

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 2>to you, the only way you could get out of

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>a show. And that feels very culty to me. And

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 2>when I was younger, I just sometimes I wouldn't even

0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>ask because I'd be like, there's no way, like I

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 2>could fire me, there's no they're gonna let me go

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 2>to my cousin's wedding. And I missin's wedding. That's fun.

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I missed like a few family weddings because it shows

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 2>I was in and that mentality more better it's that

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 2>like this thing is bigger than you.

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's easy to kind of get caught up

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 1>in the feeling of like, yes, there is something bigger

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>than me.

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 2>And like, look, whether you are religious or.

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Believe in God or not, like it it can be

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>for people that believe in God, it can be like

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 1>really freeing to kind of go like, yes, there is

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>something bigger than me. I don't have to it's not

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 1>all on my shoulders. It's I'm part of something bigger. Right,

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 1>But like the problem is when people like twist that

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and like you know what am I trying to say?

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Like more, and like it's disgusting, Like it's really disgusting

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 1>when you think about like religious cults especially, like it's

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 1>so gross. But it's also like little by little, it's

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 1>not like overnight that's the thing.

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Also, like they're sneaky.

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>It's sneaky as fuck. Like it's not like you get

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>get all these promises. Like there's these notes that we

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:22.959
<v Speaker 1>have here, like how to know if something's a cult? Right,

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Sociologists use different metrics like does it isolate its members?

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Can you question the leader? Can you not be a

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 1>big one that's a big one? Can you leave freely?

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Can is their financial exploitation? So like those are signs, right,

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Like if someone's asking you to like give a bunch

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 1>of money right off the bat, or like trying to

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>get you to invest in this thing, or telling you like,

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>well you have to tie like fifty percent of your

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>paycheck to the religion or the church.

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like do you like why are you that?

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 2>The reason? Like what are we doing here? Right? Like

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I think I made that money?

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean I like to you know, like tithing I

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 1>think is cool in terms of like I I always

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 1>like try to think about like how can I give right?

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>But if somebody's saying to me, like you have to

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 1>you have to give to our Yeah, you know that's

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 1>different organization, and like if you don't like that, that's

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the other thing. It's like, what are the consequences quote unquote,

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like, ye, the consequences of you going to your

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>cousin's wedding are you're going to get fired and that

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.359
<v Speaker 1>everybody in the industry is going to know that you're undependable,

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 1>like nobody can depend on you. It's like the consequences

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 1>are so scary that you kind of become like Okay,

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:45.720
<v Speaker 1>I guess, I won't ask I guess, I won't.

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I want to guess the norm. Yeah, Like, yeah, I'm

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 2>not special. It's not everybody's missing weddings. Like that's just

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 2>what it is. You know, you are special. You are special,

0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and so is your person that you want to go

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 2>to would be therefore on their big day. Now, there are.

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 1>There cults that you're in that you are kind of like,

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with being in this call.

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Because I say I'm the coffee cult, the coffee coffee cult.

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 2>You're in the coffee cult. I mean, I'm trying. I'm

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.839
<v Speaker 2>trying mushroom coffee today just because I can't believe you're

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 2>doing that. First of all, it feels like a different universe.

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 2>I still I'm undecided. It tastes a little bit like dirt, but.

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Not.

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I'm offended by it, you know, Okay, okay, yeah,

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.240
<v Speaker 2>all right, it sound like a bad dirt.

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 1>But the coffee cult is like you guys don't fuck

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>with shitty coffee, like you have to have your good coffee.

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Like I know, I get unreasonably offended when talk to

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>me about this. Talk to me about this because I

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 2>don't feel like it's that hard. It's not that hard hard.

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 2>It's not that hard to make good coffee. Yeah, And

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand why every set in Hollywood has bad coffee.

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing it's a budget thing that that's where they

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>skimp out, like they have to buy so many beans

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>because they're making pots and pots of coffee ia right,

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Like how many pots of coffee do you? I mean,

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 2>everybody's drinking coffee all day long on a set, so

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>probably they have to get like fucking ten pound bags

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 2>of coffee beans. But still I feel like, with a

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 2>little more effort, you could source some better beans, yes, please,

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:33.800
<v Speaker 2>for an affordable price.

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Skimp on the the weird like nobody.

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's vegetable tray, yes, or maybe it's skimp on

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 3>that making it into too, because sometimes it's like those

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 3>big ones and I don't know that they're capable of

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 3>making good coffee.

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 2>But it's just really annoying to me. But I'm not

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 2>like deep in the cult where like I'm not, oh God,

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 2>what's the coffee that Dan Gore used to always make

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 2>with like the what's it called with the it's like

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 2>the glass thing and the pour over the poor not

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Is it called a pour over? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. It's

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 2>like the kraph the thing and then the hot water

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 2>and then you weigh. Water takes forever to come down,

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's like slower than a French pet press. Yeah.

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm not that intense about it, but I do. I

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:25.279
<v Speaker 2>do have a coffee maker that freshly grinds beans, because

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I do feel like that makes a huge difference. Ah,

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I know what cult you're part of. Tell me the

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 2>fun one the Disney call.

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>The Disney adults, specifically the Disney and Disney adults. We

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>oftentimes didn't have the ability to go to Disney when

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 1>we were children. Some of us have memories of going

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 1>there for the first time we were teenagers. Me, I'm

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>raising my hands, and now I have expendable income and

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>got damn it.

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to spend it where.

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I want, against bend where I want.

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, then I go to the parks. I'm gonna buy

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 2>shit for myself. I'm gonna eat all the snacks. I'm

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 2>gonna look things up before I go.

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>My sister and I when we last went, it was

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:13.320
<v Speaker 1>right at the beginning of the Halloween stuff at Disney,

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and my sister and I she found on Canva someone

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 1>had put together a like a guide of all of

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 1>the Disney snacks, all of the.

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you sent it to me when we went

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:28.319
<v Speaker 2>in August, the map, the map of Disneyland with all

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 2>of it. I think I got like one thing. I

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 2>was like, this is I was too like trying to

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 2>just get us on rides. Like I was like, it's

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of work to try to get these snacks

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 2>on top of all this other stuff. We were there.

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I like, Disney is does it?

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Now?

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Why? Oh the I'm like, listen to me, look at me.

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 2>I know you did. Why Why do you hate it?

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Why do tell me why you hate it? Wow? I

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 2>think it was a better system before. I hate the

0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Like when you have the what's the fast past, the magic?

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 2>What's it called the Genie? Yeah, it's you have to

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 2>be you literally have to be on your phone all

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>day long to make sure that you're getting on those cues,

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 2>that you're getting on those if you want to like

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<v Speaker 2>maximize the day and get on as many rise as

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>you can, it means that you are on your phone

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 2>the whole day. Like when we went and when I

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 2>went with Enzo last year, I was so happy that

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.359
<v Speaker 2>his friend's mom came with me. Yeah, I invited her

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 2>and she's my friend and we were like, this will

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<v Speaker 2>be great. And then I realized, oh, it's good, there's

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 2>going to be another adult because I'm probably going to

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 2>be looking at my phone a lot. And then I

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:36.919
<v Speaker 2>was looking at my phone so much more than I thought.

0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 2>But it just kind of like is a bummer. And

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the way it was before, where you

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 2>could just like show up and like scan your phone,

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 2>it was a simple. It was a better system before.

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 2>like I think you like showed up and like scanned

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 2>your phone and then maybe got a time or something

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 2>and you could like or maybe reserve multiple rides. I

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know. But now it's like and then you can't

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:01.240
<v Speaker 2>like reserve the a ride and till you've done that ride,

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 2>and then you're like, you know, so you're like constantly

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 2>rearranging your day around these fucking ride times. But of

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 2>course it's worth it because you're also like not really

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 2>waiting online and you can go on more lines. So

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:16.760
<v Speaker 2>like it's just a lot.

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.319
<v Speaker 1>There, it is there, it is you have to prioritize

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>what you and your family want out of the day.

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 1>If your priority is writing as many rides as possible,

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:29.920
<v Speaker 1>you will be on your phone. Yes, if your priority

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 1>is writing quite a few rides and then making sure

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:38.600
<v Speaker 1>that you like maybe your next experience there will be

0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:40.360
<v Speaker 1>like I don't want to be on my phone as much.

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:43.799
<v Speaker 1>You just stick in your pocket and like you're going

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to do some eating and you're going to do some

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>shopping and you're gonna do some people watching, you know

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Like it it is I think this

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 1>This is as a cult member, I will say that

0:40:56.280 --> 0:41:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I do think it is. It is about like pioryizing

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>like what your family wants and and the give and

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 1>take of Like if we want to ride as many

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 1>rides as possible, some adult is going to be on

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 1>their phone and that part will suck. But if we

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:14.880
<v Speaker 1>want to experience more of the park and the togetherness,

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 1>then you know, then Disney gets a little bit more

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 1>of your cash out of your pocket because they get

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 1>you eating, baby. But also like there are like other

0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 1>things to experience at Disney, like the shows and there's

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 1>like right, I mean, have you ever gone on like

0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 1>that big riverboat and like gone around you guys haven't

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>done that.

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I bet no. Yeah, we did do that, so sweet.

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 2>We haven't done that in a long time, but we

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:45.839
<v Speaker 2>And there's like that one a little island you can

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.439
<v Speaker 2>go on and like, oh yeah, we actually my kids

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:50.800
<v Speaker 2>love that little island. The little island is so cute

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 2>and that's a great yeah if you're waiting, if you're

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 2>waiting for a ride time. The playground.

0:41:56.840 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Both of the playgrounds, the one in Mickey'stontown and also

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the Redwood Forest one are just like made for mmmm.

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't think we've done the playgrounds.

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.800
<v Speaker 1>You gotta get a coffee and then take them to

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 1>the playground and you can just fucking sit with your

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>coffee and they go buck wild.

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 2>It's so fun.

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 1>That part is great. As a cult member, I have

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 1>like lots of tips. Should we do an episode on Disney?

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we literally could do an episode on Disney. I

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 2>will say going to Disney with Stephanie Beatrice is the

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 2>most fun because it reminded me of when I used

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 2>to go to Disney World as a kid and my

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Florida cousins would like know all the hacks and like

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 2>god to contracts and like, yeah, one time my aunt

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:40.319
<v Speaker 2>was pregnant, and she was like, we're gonna get all

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:42.800
<v Speaker 2>all these rides super fast. She was like, watch this,

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>watch this more better.

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 1>So in conclusion, I feel like, if you're in a

0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 1>joyful cultuh that's okay.

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:02.760
<v Speaker 2>If one that allows you to have multi groups of friends, Yeah,

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:03.760
<v Speaker 2>and not restrict.

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've got people in my life that don't

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:09.279
<v Speaker 1>give a shit about Disney, and uh.

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 2>That's okay. Disney's okay with that. Yeah, Disney's okay with that.

0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with that.

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:18.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, you know, if you're in a real

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 1>cult and and like just to say, like, I know

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 1>we're joking about this and having fun about it, but

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 1>like there are resources available if you if you are

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 1>feeling like you're listening to this and you're like, oh no,

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe there's something wrong with like an organization

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 1>that I'm a part of, a group that I'm a

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 1>part of.

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 2>There. Actually, before we go, yeah, we should we I

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 2>we should read these protection tips from Yeah yeah, please

0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 2>do please do so. The first one, maintain relationships outside

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 2>any single group. That's like a big one. Right, we

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 2>all have like should have different groups of friends, even

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 2>if some are casual, you know, but you should and

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:56.880
<v Speaker 2>that should be okay not Yeah. You don't want to

0:43:56.880 --> 0:44:01.239
<v Speaker 2>have one group of friends that's not weird weird. Be

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 2>weary of groups that demand immediate commitment or secrecy. Yes,

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:10.280
<v Speaker 2>question why a group needs your money right now. Healthy

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 2>communities let you leave without consequences. Yes, ding ding ding ding.

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:18.720
<v Speaker 2>If you can't criticize the leader, that's a red flag.

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I think that's like the biggest One's huge, And then

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 2>this is a good one. Sleep on major decisions. Cults

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:29.360
<v Speaker 2>pressure you to decide right now. Yeah, that's good. That's huge, huge, huge.

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 1>And there's a website called people Leave Cults dot com

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.360
<v Speaker 1>that can provide intervention, support and recovery.

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.399
<v Speaker 2>If you are feeling like maybe you don't really know how.

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 1>To get out of the thing that you're in, maybe

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:44.040
<v Speaker 1>you can just poke around and on that website and

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:49.799
<v Speaker 1>see if anything speaks to you. I feel like, uh,

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I know from personal experience, when the red flags are

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:58.040
<v Speaker 1>red flagging and that little like buzzy buzzy back of

0:44:58.080 --> 0:44:59.879
<v Speaker 1>my head, pit of my stomach.

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Thing is happening.

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, obviously like I Disney forever, but.

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, but coffee forever.

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I do you feel a little more better

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 1>about like avoiding avoiding the cult lifestyle.

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do. It wasn't something I was super worried about.

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Before this, but but it was fun to talk about.

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 2>But it was fun to talk about. And also, yeah,

0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 2>even if there's like one person listening to this who's like,

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 2>oh no, like we did, we did a service today,

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 2>so I'll take it.

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, watch some documentaries. There's tons out there. They're so

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 1>crazy to watch.

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.879
<v Speaker 2>And if you haven't seen Dancing for the Devil, go

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.600
<v Speaker 2>check it out on Netflix or check out the podcast

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Forgive Me for I Have Followed. It's hosted by one

0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:55.440
<v Speaker 2>of the ex Cult members, Kaliah Gray, and the executive

0:45:55.440 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 2>producer of the docuseries, Jessica Assevedo. They connect with ex members,

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:02.800
<v Speaker 2>some are featured in the docs, some are not, their families,

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 2>journalists and cult experts.

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I love listening to this kind of stuff, so I mean, yeah,

0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:10.319
<v Speaker 1>I haven't listened to it yet, but it's now it's

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:11.319
<v Speaker 1>on my list.

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:15.799
<v Speaker 2>Same. I do want to watch more documentaries though, because yeah,

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, it's fascinating.

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>They're pretty fascinating and a wise man learns from another's mistakes.

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Oh, Sage Stephanie I stole it from somebody. Okay,

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:32.279
<v Speaker 2>I love it. Okay. Uh. We'll see you guys next time.

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