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Speaker 2: Whoa Yeah, Better Better.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to More Better, the podcast where we stopped pretending

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Speaker 2: The journey of something coming at and more better every day.

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Speaker 2: That's mostly a marrow and that's Stephanie Beatrice. Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for the editors to figure that one out.

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Speaker 2: That that was all over the place. We are not

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Speaker 2: going to redo it. It's not happening. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I am good? How are you friend? What are you

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Speaker 1: Oh, I have been. I bought some electrolyte powder. I

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Speaker 2: That's great. What have you been doing that's more better?

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Speaker 2: Thanks inspired by you? Oh that makes me feel good.

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Speaker 2: out if there were any other couples. It was. So

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00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: then this documentary comes out on Netflix and I recognize

433
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: the dancers that I follow, and I'm like, oh my god,

434
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 2: wait what this is ault?

435
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: What adult?

436
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: So apparently they all got approached or discovered by this

437
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: manager who had a company called seven M and he

438
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: also was part of a church and he was the

439
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 2: leader of the church. I know on all of these things.

440
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, tax evasion. It smells like tax evasion,

441
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: right that. So yeah, so he is like booking them

442
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: at events, helping produce all their videos, obviously getting a

443
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: percentage of any like endorsement deals they're getting, like because

444
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: now they're becoming like influencers on Instagram, like they all

445
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: have like so many like hundreds of thousands of followers. Yeah,

446
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: so they're getting brand da da whatever, and he's taking

447
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: money from them.

448
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: And then in the documentary it says the couple the

449
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 2: cute couple that I loved. Apparently the girl used to

450
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 2: started dancing with her sister, but then met this manager

451
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: guy and started like distancing herself from her sister and

452
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: her whole family and like listen obviously, like no, it's

453
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: one point of view and all of these things, you

454
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And like they never do they

455
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: interview the girl, the dancer. I don't think they do.

456
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 2: Her family though, seems seemingly very sweet, very worried, very

457
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: sad that their daughter has like cut them off. The

458
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 2: sister is like, this was my best friend day and

459
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: I don't understand, Like I'm devastated. I don't know what happened,

460
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: and yeah, and and so, and I just read as

461
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: we were like going through the outline because I was

462
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: looking up where is it? I was looking up just

463
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: to make sure I didn't forget because I saw the

464
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: documentary so long ago. And then I saw that in

465
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: this past August, the guy, the manager and church leader,

466
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: his house was raided by the FEDS and the couple

467
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: swipe wiped their social media oh so like, and then

468
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: it came out that he also like he wrapped all

469
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: of these dancers. And then a couple of dancers are

470
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: in the dock that like got out and they were

471
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: like that same thing, like you had to dress a

472
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: certain way, you had to look a certain way, you

473
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: had to isolate from your family, like he wouldn't let

474
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: you see your family, like you know, he was like

475
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: where your family? Like where the thing? But then it

476
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: also was like tangled up in like their careers and

477
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: their ambition, and he was like you need me to

478
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: like become successful, like I can get you there, and

479
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: and then the like weird church aspect god aspect, like

480
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: he also I think made it very like God wants

481
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: you to be successful and like I'm the one that's

482
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: going to show you a way. It was. I did

483
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: not expect it to be so dark and twisted, and

484
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: it's really sad. Like the dancers that got out that

485
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: that like talked about it because they also like you

486
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: could tell they still had love for like their friends,

487
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: but like they were like this is fucked up, and

488
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: I had out and like crazy and it was like

489
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: something that seemingly looked so innocent and that I couldn't

490
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: and then I and then I was like, I was like,

491
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: oh my god, do I do I unfollow them all

492
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: about a cult? Yeah? It was. It was you would

493
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: never think. But and apparently like there's still I mean

494
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: that couple is they wiped their social media? Apparently I

495
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: didn't notice. But now I'm like, yeah, I haven't seen

496
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: them on are they still together? Like are they I

497
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 2: think they're still together, They're still in the cult? Are

498
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: they still in this? I think so because this article.

499
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god, I'm so stress. I

500
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: just saw this one part in the in the article

501
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: where it said Miranda's family said their concern grew and

502
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: when she declined to come home for a family funeral,

503
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: and then several attempts to contact the dancer when unanswered. Oh,

504
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: the final attempt to convince her, she was NonStop crying

505
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: and told them that she needed permission from someone closer

506
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: to God to attend the funeral. No, this is awful. See,

507
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: this is what I'm saying, Like, Okay, it seems like

508
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: you're not for yourself, but like, how do you It's

509
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: really hard for me to understand, like how you get

510
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: to that point even like how you give up that

511
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: much of yourself because is it just like you're so

512
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: you want to you don't want to be wrong, I'm

513
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: sure as part of it the sense of belonging, like

514
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: you know, you're like it said, like you're new to

515
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: a city or you're out of a breakup and you're

516
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: you're so lonely that you want you need that sense

517
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: of belonging to something. Maybe it's that too, a sense

518
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: of belonging to something bigger than you. That definitely, and

519
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 2: that's ways like like calling then, like you know what

520
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: an actual calling is, Like I don't know, but I

521
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: just it's still as hard for me to to really

522
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: imagine like giving up that much of my identity and autonomy. Yeah,

523
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: like like to say I need some although you know

524
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: what as you were talking before, and I was thinking

525
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: about like my time on the soap opera and like

526
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: certain things that we had to get permission for or

527
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: like or like I remember missing a couple family weddings

528
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: because I worked, like the summer theater job I worked,

529
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: had that like you're not gonna leave, Yeah, I'm not

530
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: going to leave the show, which is kind of culty

531
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 2: and even I missed my wedding.

532
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: My best friend Jenna missed my wedding because she was

533
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: in a show, and they were like.

534
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: You can't leave, Like you can't leave, you can't leave.

535
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's COVID did a lot of

536
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: help with theater in that way, because now they have

537
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: swings and understudies even for like regional perform or they're

538
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: like unafraid to cancel.

539
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: But like yeah, for everybody to be like, oh, we

540
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: could figure it out, like we could the show could

541
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: actually actually go on. Yeah, yeah, I value and like

542
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: people should be allowed to show up for like major

543
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: life events like but always it always felt like, you know,

544
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: a funeral was the only a funeral of someone close

545
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: to you, the only way you could get out of

546
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: a show. And that feels very culty to me. And

547
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: when I was younger, I just sometimes I wouldn't even

548
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: ask because I'd be like, there's no way, like I

549
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: could fire me, there's no they're gonna let me go

550
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: to my cousin's wedding. And I missin's wedding. That's fun.

551
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: I missed like a few family weddings because it shows

552
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: I was in and that mentality more better it's that

553
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: like this thing is bigger than you.

554
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's easy to kind of get caught up

555
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: in the feeling of like, yes, there is something bigger

556
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: than me.

557
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: And like, look, whether you are religious or.

558
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: Believe in God or not, like it it can be

559
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: for people that believe in God, it can be like

560
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: really freeing to kind of go like, yes, there is

561
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: something bigger than me. I don't have to it's not

562
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: all on my shoulders. It's I'm part of something bigger. Right,

563
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: But like the problem is when people like twist that

564
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: and like you know what am I trying to say?

565
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: Like more, and like it's disgusting, Like it's really disgusting

566
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: when you think about like religious cults especially, like it's

567
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: so gross. But it's also like little by little, it's

568
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: not like overnight that's the thing.

569
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: Also, like they're sneaky.

570
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: It's sneaky as fuck. Like it's not like you get

571
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: get all these promises. Like there's these notes that we

572
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: have here, like how to know if something's a cult? Right,

573
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: Sociologists use different metrics like does it isolate its members?

574
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: Can you question the leader? Can you not be a

575
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: big one that's a big one? Can you leave freely?

576
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: Can is their financial exploitation? So like those are signs, right,

577
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: Like if someone's asking you to like give a bunch

578
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: of money right off the bat, or like trying to

579
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: get you to invest in this thing, or telling you like,

580
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: well you have to tie like fifty percent of your

581
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: paycheck to the religion or the church.

582
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's like do you like why are you that?

583
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: The reason? Like what are we doing here? Right? Like

584
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: I think I made that money?

585
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: I mean I like to you know, like tithing I

586
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: think is cool in terms of like I I always

587
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: like try to think about like how can I give right?

588
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: But if somebody's saying to me, like you have to

589
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: you have to give to our Yeah, you know that's

590
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: different organization, and like if you don't like that, that's

591
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: the other thing. It's like, what are the consequences quote unquote,

592
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: It's like, ye, the consequences of you going to your

593
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: cousin's wedding are you're going to get fired and that

594
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: everybody in the industry is going to know that you're undependable,

595
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: like nobody can depend on you. It's like the consequences

596
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: are so scary that you kind of become like Okay,

597
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: I guess, I won't ask I guess, I won't.

598
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: I want to guess the norm. Yeah, Like, yeah, I'm

599
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: not special. It's not everybody's missing weddings. Like that's just

600
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: what it is. You know, you are special. You are special,

601
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: and so is your person that you want to go

602
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: to would be therefore on their big day. Now, there are.

603
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: There cults that you're in that you are kind of like,

604
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm okay with being in this call.

605
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: Because I say I'm the coffee cult, the coffee coffee cult.

606
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: You're in the coffee cult. I mean, I'm trying. I'm

607
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: trying mushroom coffee today just because I can't believe you're

608
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: doing that. First of all, it feels like a different universe.

609
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: I still I'm undecided. It tastes a little bit like dirt, but.

610
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Not.

611
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm offended by it, you know, Okay, okay, yeah,

612
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 2: all right, it sound like a bad dirt.

613
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: But the coffee cult is like you guys don't fuck

614
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: with shitty coffee, like you have to have your good coffee.

615
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: Like I know, I get unreasonably offended when talk to

616
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: me about this. Talk to me about this because I

617
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: don't feel like it's that hard. It's not that hard hard.

618
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: It's not that hard to make good coffee. Yeah, And

619
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: I don't understand why every set in Hollywood has bad coffee.

620
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's a budget thing that that's where they

621
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: skimp out, like they have to buy so many beans

622
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: because they're making pots and pots of coffee ia right,

623
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: Like how many pots of coffee do you? I mean,

624
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: everybody's drinking coffee all day long on a set, so

625
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: probably they have to get like fucking ten pound bags

626
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: of coffee beans. But still I feel like, with a

627
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: little more effort, you could source some better beans, yes, please,

628
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: for an affordable price.

629
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: Skimp on the the weird like nobody.

630
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: Maybe it's vegetable tray, yes, or maybe it's skimp on

631
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: that making it into too, because sometimes it's like those

632
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: big ones and I don't know that they're capable of

633
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: making good coffee.

634
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: But it's just really annoying to me. But I'm not

635
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: like deep in the cult where like I'm not, oh God,

636
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: what's the coffee that Dan Gore used to always make

637
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: with like the what's it called with the it's like

638
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: the glass thing and the pour over the poor not

639
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: Is it called a pour over? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. It's

640
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: like the kraph the thing and then the hot water

641
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: and then you weigh. Water takes forever to come down,

642
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: and it's like slower than a French pet press. Yeah.

643
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: I'm not that intense about it, but I do. I

644
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: do have a coffee maker that freshly grinds beans, because

645
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: I do feel like that makes a huge difference. Ah,

646
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: I know what cult you're part of. Tell me the

647
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: fun one the Disney call.

648
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: The Disney adults, specifically the Disney and Disney adults. We

649
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: oftentimes didn't have the ability to go to Disney when

650
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: we were children. Some of us have memories of going

651
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: there for the first time we were teenagers. Me, I'm

652
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: raising my hands, and now I have expendable income and

653
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: got damn it.

654
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to spend it where.

655
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: I want, against bend where I want.

656
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Speaker 2: Okay, then I go to the parks. I'm gonna buy

657
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: shit for myself. I'm gonna eat all the snacks. I'm

658
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: gonna look things up before I go.

659
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Speaker 1: My sister and I when we last went, it was

660
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: right at the beginning of the Halloween stuff at Disney,

661
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: and my sister and I she found on Canva someone

662
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: had put together a like a guide of all of

663
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: the Disney snacks, all of the.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you sent it to me when we went

665
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: in August, the map, the map of Disneyland with all

666
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: of it. I think I got like one thing. I

667
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: was like, this is I was too like trying to

668
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: just get us on rides. Like I was like, it's

669
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: a lot of work to try to get these snacks

670
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: on top of all this other stuff. We were there.

671
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: I like, Disney is does it?

672
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: Now?

673
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: Why? Oh the I'm like, listen to me, look at me.

674
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: I know you did. Why Why do you hate it?

675
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: Why do tell me why you hate it? Wow? I

676
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: think it was a better system before. I hate the

677
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: Like when you have the what's the fast past, the magic?

678
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: What's it called the Genie? Yeah, it's you have to

679
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: be you literally have to be on your phone all

680
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: day long to make sure that you're getting on those cues,

681
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: that you're getting on those if you want to like

682
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: maximize the day and get on as many rise as

683
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: you can, it means that you are on your phone

684
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: the whole day. Like when we went and when I

685
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: went with Enzo last year, I was so happy that

686
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 2: his friend's mom came with me. Yeah, I invited her

687
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: and she's my friend and we were like, this will

688
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 2: be great. And then I realized, oh, it's good, there's

689
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: going to be another adult because I'm probably going to

690
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: be looking at my phone a lot. And then I

691
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 2: was looking at my phone so much more than I thought.

692
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: But it just kind of like is a bummer. And

693
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: I feel like the way it was before, where you

694
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: could just like show up and like scan your phone,

695
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: it was a simple. It was a better system before.

696
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was

697
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: like I think you like showed up and like scanned

698
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: your phone and then maybe got a time or something

699
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: and you could like or maybe reserve multiple rides. I

700
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: don't know. But now it's like and then you can't

701
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 2: like reserve the a ride and till you've done that ride,

702
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: and then you're like, you know, so you're like constantly

703
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: rearranging your day around these fucking ride times. But of

704
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: course it's worth it because you're also like not really

705
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: waiting online and you can go on more lines. So

706
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: like it's just a lot.

707
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: There, it is there, it is you have to prioritize

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00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: what you and your family want out of the day.

709
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: If your priority is writing as many rides as possible,

710
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: you will be on your phone. Yes, if your priority

711
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: is writing quite a few rides and then making sure

712
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: that you like maybe your next experience there will be

713
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be on my phone as much.

714
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: You just stick in your pocket and like you're going

715
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: to do some eating and you're going to do some

716
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: shopping and you're gonna do some people watching, you know

717
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like it it is I think this

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00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: This is as a cult member, I will say that

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Speaker 1: I do think it is. It is about like pioryizing

720
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: like what your family wants and and the give and

721
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: take of Like if we want to ride as many

722
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: rides as possible, some adult is going to be on

723
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: their phone and that part will suck. But if we

724
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: want to experience more of the park and the togetherness,

725
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: then you know, then Disney gets a little bit more

726
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: of your cash out of your pocket because they get

727
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: you eating, baby. But also like there are like other

728
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: things to experience at Disney, like the shows and there's

729
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: like right, I mean, have you ever gone on like

730
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: that big riverboat and like gone around you guys haven't

731
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: done that.

732
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: I bet no. Yeah, we did do that, so sweet.

733
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: We haven't done that in a long time, but we

734
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: And there's like that one a little island you can

735
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 2: go on and like, oh yeah, we actually my kids

736
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: love that little island. The little island is so cute

737
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: and that's a great yeah if you're waiting, if you're

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00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: waiting for a ride time. The playground.

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00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: Both of the playgrounds, the one in Mickey'stontown and also

740
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: the Redwood Forest one are just like made for mmmm.

741
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think we've done the playgrounds.

742
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: You gotta get a coffee and then take them to

743
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: the playground and you can just fucking sit with your

744
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: coffee and they go buck wild.

745
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: It's so fun.

746
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: That part is great. As a cult member, I have

747
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: like lots of tips. Should we do an episode on Disney?

748
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: Okay, we literally could do an episode on Disney. I

749
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: will say going to Disney with Stephanie Beatrice is the

750
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: most fun because it reminded me of when I used

751
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: to go to Disney World as a kid and my

752
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: Florida cousins would like know all the hacks and like

753
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: god to contracts and like, yeah, one time my aunt

754
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: was pregnant, and she was like, we're gonna get all

755
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: all these rides super fast. She was like, watch this,

756
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: watch this more better.

757
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: So in conclusion, I feel like, if you're in a

758
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: joyful cultuh that's okay.

759
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 2: If one that allows you to have multi groups of friends, Yeah,

760
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 2: and not restrict.

761
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got people in my life that don't

762
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: give a shit about Disney, and uh.

763
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: That's okay. Disney's okay with that. Yeah, Disney's okay with that.

764
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that.

765
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, if you're in a real

766
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: cult and and like just to say, like, I know

767
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: we're joking about this and having fun about it, but

768
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: like there are resources available if you if you are

769
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: feeling like you're listening to this and you're like, oh no,

770
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: I think maybe there's something wrong with like an organization

771
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: that I'm a part of, a group that I'm a

772
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: part of.

773
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: There. Actually, before we go, yeah, we should we I

774
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: we should read these protection tips from Yeah yeah, please

775
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: do please do so. The first one, maintain relationships outside

776
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: any single group. That's like a big one. Right, we

777
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: all have like should have different groups of friends, even

778
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: if some are casual, you know, but you should and

779
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: that should be okay not Yeah. You don't want to

780
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: have one group of friends that's not weird weird. Be

781
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: weary of groups that demand immediate commitment or secrecy. Yes,

782
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: question why a group needs your money right now. Healthy

783
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: communities let you leave without consequences. Yes, ding ding ding ding.

784
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 2: If you can't criticize the leader, that's a red flag.

785
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: I think that's like the biggest One's huge, And then

786
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: this is a good one. Sleep on major decisions. Cults

787
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: pressure you to decide right now. Yeah, that's good. That's huge, huge, huge.

788
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: And there's a website called people Leave Cults dot com

789
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: that can provide intervention, support and recovery.

790
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 2: If you are feeling like maybe you don't really know how.

791
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: To get out of the thing that you're in, maybe

792
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: you can just poke around and on that website and

793
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: see if anything speaks to you. I feel like, uh,

794
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: I know from personal experience, when the red flags are

795
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: red flagging and that little like buzzy buzzy back of

796
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: my head, pit of my stomach.

797
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: Thing is happening.

798
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously like I Disney forever, but.

799
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 2: Obviously, but coffee forever.

800
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I do you feel a little more better

801
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: about like avoiding avoiding the cult lifestyle.

802
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. It wasn't something I was super worried about.

803
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: Before this, but but it was fun to talk about.

804
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: But it was fun to talk about. And also, yeah,

805
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: even if there's like one person listening to this who's like,

806
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: oh no, like we did, we did a service today,

807
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: so I'll take it.

808
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, watch some documentaries. There's tons out there. They're so

809
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: crazy to watch.

810
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 2: And if you haven't seen Dancing for the Devil, go

811
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: check it out on Netflix or check out the podcast

812
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: Forgive Me for I Have Followed. It's hosted by one

813
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: of the ex Cult members, Kaliah Gray, and the executive

814
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: producer of the docuseries, Jessica Assevedo. They connect with ex members,

815
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 2: some are featured in the docs, some are not, their families,

816
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: journalists and cult experts.

817
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: I love listening to this kind of stuff, so I mean, yeah,

818
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: I haven't listened to it yet, but it's now it's

819
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: on my list.

820
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: Same. I do want to watch more documentaries though, because yeah,

821
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it's fascinating.

822
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: They're pretty fascinating and a wise man learns from another's mistakes.

823
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, Sage Stephanie I stole it from somebody. Okay,

824
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: I love it. Okay. Uh. We'll see you guys next time.

825
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 2: See you next time. Bye bye, More Better.

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Speaker 1: Do you have something you'd like to be more better

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Speaker 1: at that you want us to talk about in a

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Speaker 1: future episode?

829
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 2: Can you relate to our struggles or have you tried

830
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Speaker 2: one of our tips and tricks?

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Speaker 1: Ooh, More Better with Stephanie Melissa is a production from

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Speaker 2: Beatrice, and Melissa Fumero.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Stephanie Beatrice, myself, Melissa Fumero, along

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Speaker 2: with Wilmar Valderrama and Leo Clem at w V Sound

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Speaker 2: and ISIS Madrid.

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