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The Colin Coward Podcast 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: presented by the Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi, everybody, Welcome 12 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: in Wednesday Morning Podcast. One of the sharpest gm in 13 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: the NFL, Chris Ballard, who had a lot to deal 14 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: with this offseason, stops by three thoughts before we get 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: to Chris Ballard Number one. Obviously, Luca is going to 16 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: have to carry the Mavericks if they're going to beat 17 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns. Phoenix is the most consistent, predictable team 18 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: in the league. They shoot over fifty percent the kings 19 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: of mid range. It's eighty eight basketball, I love it, 20 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight hoops. I Love the construct. I love 21 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: the chemistry by the way chemistry appears to matter in basketball. 22 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: The Suns guys don't take load management games off. It's 23 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,639 Speaker 1: obvious they have great chemistry both ends of the floor. 24 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: But I think what's fascinating with the Mavericks, and I've 25 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: talked about this with friends for years. If you were 26 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: an NBA free agent, eighty two game schedule, twenty different 27 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: road trips, right, I mean there's forty one games, but 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: you know you go on a lot of road trips. 29 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: Wouldn't Dallas be top of your list? I mean, if 30 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: you are on the East Coast and to have to 31 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: flight a Portland or Sacramento, or if you're on the 32 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: West coast and have to flight a Boston or Miami 33 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: for the longevity of your career, fewer hours on a plane, 34 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: Why isn't Dallas as they seek a number two star 35 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: for Luca, why isn't at the top of everybody's list, 36 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: No state tax, three hour flight max to the furthest 37 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: points in the NBA from that destination. Mark Cuban is 38 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: a pro basketball, pro player owner. I've never understood this. 39 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: It's remarkable to me. I understand Miami being big in 40 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: free agency. It's a winter league, perfect weather, pat Riley, 41 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: Eric Spoelstra, But Dallas offers much the same without being 42 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: geographically located in one of the furthest points from the 43 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: west coast. Is it because Dallas is viewed as an 44 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: NFL town, or that Mark Cuban is such a well 45 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: known owner he takes a little bit of the star 46 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: power away from the players. But think about this. Their 47 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: biggest stars ever have been two international players, three if 48 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: he counts Steve Nash. What is it about domestic American 49 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: players as free agents that they don't choose Dallas more often? 50 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: Middle of the country, decent mild winter weather, no state tax, 51 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: very pro player owner. I mean, if you're a single 52 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: NBA player, even if you're married, good schools. I've never 53 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: figured it out. It's one of the mysteries in the NBA. 54 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: Why does Dallas not get more free agents? By the way, 55 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: Luca is going to be the point guard, so you 56 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: don't have to carry a scoring burden. You'll get your points, 57 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: but he'll carry the ball. He'll take care of a 58 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: lot of the facilitating. There's something about the Mavericks that 59 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: does not appeal. For the last twenty years, free agents. 60 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: They always get the second tier level of free agents. 61 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. So, speaking of Miami, Mario 62 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: Crystal Ball just bought nearly an eight million dollar mansion 63 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: in Miami. And I'm listening to a lot of you 64 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: guys out there. You know, you want everybody believe you're 65 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: such tough guys. On Twitter, some of you guys are fearmongers. 66 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: You're terrified of change. You know a lot of people 67 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: are saying, Oh my gosh, this nil is going to 68 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: kill the little guy. College football in the SEC killed 69 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: the little guy a long time ago. The last fifteen 70 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: years of college football, the SEC has won or played 71 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: for the natty fourteen to fifteen years. Who you kidding? 72 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: Do you think college football runs through Iowa State? You 73 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: think it runs through Boise State. It's been running through 74 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: the SEC, Ohio State and the Big Dogs forever. The 75 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: second thing is what college football is lacking, because whereas 76 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: the NFL ratings are going up up, college football's attendance 77 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: and ratings in the last three years, Attendance has been 78 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: down for seven years. Ratings have been down for three 79 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: to four Why fatigue on Alabama, fatigue on the regionalization, 80 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: the lack of glamour. The sport has no glamour right now. 81 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: And I know none of you folks like glamour. I 82 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: know you're all just Midwestern guys. You're all farmers listening 83 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: to me, and you don't like any glamor. Oh bullshit. 84 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: Miami and USC are the two glamour programs in the sport. 85 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: I mean, let's not kid ourselves. Miami and Los Angeles 86 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: are places you go to party. There are places you 87 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: go to vacation. Nobody goes to ann Arbor in Stillwater 88 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: to vacation or Tuscaloosa. Okay, so don't try to sell 89 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: me on that stuff. The program lacks juice, it lacks glamour, 90 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: It lacks big city. The NFL gives you everything. You 91 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: get Green Bay, you get Indianapolis, you get New York, 92 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 1: you get LA, you get San Francisco, you get everything. 93 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: You get Buffalo, the small town New Orleans, the party city, LA, 94 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: the glamour city, and the Packers. College football is just 95 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: small town after small town and increasingly overwhelmingly about four programs. 96 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: So Mario crystal Ball is unbelievable for the sport. Listen 97 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: even in tennis. Tennis ratings fluctuate based on star power. 98 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: The NFL draft lowest ratings in a decade. Why no quarterbacks? 99 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: So the idea that we don't like glamour with our 100 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: football is absolutely utter nonsense. Chiefs games, Packers games. They 101 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: get bigger ratings. College football needs the Trojans and needs 102 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: the Canes badly. Attendance in ratings have been slipping for years. 103 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: So Ryan Tannehill was asked about New Titans quarterback third 104 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: round draft pick Malik Willis, and he gave one of 105 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: my favorite answers. He said, it's not my job to 106 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: develop him. I'll be a good teammate If he learns 107 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: things from me, that's great. Can I defend Ryan Tannehill here? 108 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: Teams don't want players getting into their personnel department, so 109 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: teams shouldn't ask players to develop said player. I mean, 110 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: if teams are like, stay away from our personnel choices, okay, 111 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: then you stay away from me developing my replacement. That's 112 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: not Ryan Tannehill's job. If you're an employee, companies are 113 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: constantly looking for a cheaper version of you in every field. 114 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's movies or landscaping. If somebody 115 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: can put in the hours, get paid less, and do 116 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: as good or better a job. You'll be replaced because 117 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: most of us don't have contracts. I do, most people don't. 118 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: So Ryan Tanne will say, hey, I'm not going to 119 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: find my air apparent. I'm not going to develop my 120 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: air apparent. If he wants to watch me and he 121 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: wants to glean something from me, that's awesome. I'm not 122 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: going to bark at him in the quarterback room, but 123 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to share snaps with him. I will 124 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: defend any pro athlete who gives that answer. You draft 125 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: and develop all stay out of it. But I am 126 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: going to try to win my job and cut the 127 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: throat of anybody who's out for my gig. There's thirty 128 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: two starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Average salary right now 129 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: is about twenty five million dollars. Yeah, I'm not going 130 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: to find my replacement. Sorry, all right. Chris Ballard, he'd 131 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: been a gam now at five years, former director of 132 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: Player Opts Personnel, bears director of Pro Scouting. I implicitly 133 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: trust a lot smarter on me than me on this stuff. 134 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this morning when I was 135 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: knew I was going to interview you, I thought, Okay, 136 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: I gotta ask him. You're in a very unique position. 137 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: You have an owner who gets the sport, like truly 138 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: understand it. Jim's in a class of about two owners. 139 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry Jones played it, but Jim really he 140 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: really knows the sport. And he's brutally outspoken. I mean 141 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: I brought him on my show nine months ago. He'll 142 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: talk about anything, and he's going on he goes on 143 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: McAfee show the other day. I like pad a lot, 144 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, that wednes thing was a damn mistake, 145 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, it was twenty seventy seven picks, 146 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: sixty four sixty three, completion percentage, thirty six hundred yards. 147 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: It's one of the great mistakes in league history because 148 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: it was pretty good. But when you have an owner 149 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: that knows the sport will give strong opinions, is that 150 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: good for you? How do you? How do you view that? 151 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: Because that's rare, the knowledge and the willingness to go 152 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: and say stuff that other owners won't. It's it's great 153 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: for me. I mean, I like, I have a lot 154 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: of respect for miss Darsay just because he's done the job, 155 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: like he's done it at every level from equipment room, 156 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, folding socks and all the way up to 157 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: the GM level. So and he's seen a lot of 158 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: football and over the years, and I had great respect 159 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: for when we talk about football. It's one of the 160 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: great things about being here. I mean, I'm there forget 161 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: before I took the job, you know, talking to people 162 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: had been here before, you know, well respected people, and 163 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: they said, Chris, you will not work for a better 164 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: owner in terms of wanting to win and knowing how 165 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: to do knowing the game of football and knowing how 166 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: to do it the right way. And look, we both 167 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: are very strong willed and that can lead to some 168 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: very animated discussions between both of us. And that's a 169 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: good thing. That's That's one of the things I really 170 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: love about him is I don't have to like I 171 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: don't I don't have to sugarcoat anything, like when we 172 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: have a game on Sunday. He knows what he's looking at. 173 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: Hey that you know, I can't go bs him and well, 174 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: this is no, he's looking at the same thing I'm 175 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: looking at. So the and I think the only way 176 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: is an organization that you can really make progress. And 177 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: this leads hard. I mean, it is really hard, and 178 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: it is hard to win. But the only way you 179 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: can really make progress is if you are internally focused 180 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: on yourself and really having hard evaluations that need to happen, 181 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: and not be worried about people's feelings along the way. 182 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, look, we screw things up. It happens, 183 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: and you know, the the willingness of him to be 184 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: able to listen see it and admit you're like, hey, man, 185 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: we just we got it wrong. Let's move forward. That's 186 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: a comforting thing for me. Is a GM and I'm 187 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: naturally that's a little of my nature anyways, when I 188 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: and Lord knows, I've had my share of screw ups. 189 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: But knowing you have an owner that understands that that 190 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: happens is it's very securing for me. I enjoy it, 191 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, I was talking. I called Tom Tlesco after 192 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: the draft to congratulate him, and I said, you know, 193 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: it can't be that bad of a draft when you 194 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: can get Isaiah Spiller in the fourth round. And I 195 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: watched the big Back and I'm like, you know, I 196 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: watched him at A and M a couple of years. 197 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: Big Back, big production in the best college football conference. 198 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: And then I saw a safety he's got a hyphenated name, Oklahoma, 199 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: went in the fifth round, and he's small, he's really active, 200 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: really smooth. And I look at this draft and I'm like, 201 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, that UCLA tight end Dulcitch goes in the 202 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: third and I'm like, Jesus, he's a he's a dynamic 203 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: tight end. So as I looked at this draft, I thought, 204 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: you know, next year we could have five first round quarterbacks. 205 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: So what will be viewed as a dynamic draft? But 206 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: when you if you take the quarterback position out in 207 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: the last two or three drafts, was this draft a 208 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: notch below or just didn't have the headliners? You know, 209 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: I think there's players in every draft. Coalg How do 210 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: now do how many actually become real superstars in the league. 211 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: I can't tell you that. I mean, I think the 212 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: way we kind of looked at it, there was there 213 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: was six or seven real you know, we thought really 214 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: had a chance to be dynamic. But it doesn't mean 215 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: you won't hit somewhere else in the draft and find 216 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: those dynamic players. We thought there was a lot of 217 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: really good depth in this draft. 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Yeah the um. You know, it's an 253 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: interesting offseason for you guys, because you had a cup 254 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: of clear things you wanted to get. Obviously, wide receivers 255 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: have grown in importance in this league when Tyreek Hill 256 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: went to the Dolphins and I saw five draft picks. 257 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: My jaw dropped. I just like, I'm like, WHOA, forget 258 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: a housing bubble, We're in a wide receiver bubble. Like, 259 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: come on, we're being crazy here. And then I take 260 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: a step back driving home that day from the show 261 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: and think, well, the rule changes. I mean, good God. 262 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: The Bengals had a battle line, pretty average linebackers, and 263 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: they got to a super Bowl because they were really 264 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: dynamic on the perimeter. Do you think it's possible? You know, 265 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: we've had tech bubbles, stock market bubbles, housing bubbles. Are 266 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: we in perhaps a little bit of a wide receiver bubble? 267 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: Overvaluing how big it is? I mean, you always want playmakers. 268 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean you always wanted as many playmakers as you 269 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: can have. Always go back to like the fundamentals that 270 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: I've always been taught in this game. And I think 271 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: you see teams around the league going back, you know, 272 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: like that's the one miss noover of coach Rida Andy 273 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: that like he always starts up front, like that's his 274 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, everybody sees the offense and he throws the 275 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: ball a bunch, but it always starts up front. With 276 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: him on the air line, d line and then if 277 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: you get dynamic quarterback play, you know from a quarterback 278 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: that can get the ball in the hands of some 279 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: some real weapons, and you got a chance to do 280 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: something really special. And I think the quarterback determined so 281 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: much of that. Colin like the success. Like I'm not 282 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: saying the White House that changed teams won't have success. 283 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see. But when you have a 284 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: great quarterback and who can get the ball in their hands, 285 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: that makes a big difference too. And I give like 286 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: the one thing I'll say about the Bengals and I 287 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: give their organization a lot of credit because they took 288 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: a lot of craft a year ago when I didn't 289 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: think it was necessary, Like they just hey, this was 290 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: the best player for us when they took you know, 291 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: uh Lsu And they were right, and they knew they 292 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: had a special quarterback who was extremely smart and who 293 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 1: could get the ball in their hands, and that's what 294 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: they did. You've had some real success drafting offensive lineman. 295 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: I thought it was a real good tackle draft. I 296 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: love Tyler Linderbaum. I had said months before the draft, 297 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: I thought he would I thought he would end up 298 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: in the twenties and end up being a Pro Bowl player, 299 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: potentially several times in his career. U It's interesting we 300 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: look at the SEC as being sort of, you know, 301 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: it's it's an annual gold rush for talent. But this 302 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: year I felt, for some reason, I felt the Big 303 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: Ten had a lot of good players. And I thought 304 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: to myself, well, about four years ago, five years ago, 305 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: hardball gets into the conference, the recruiting gets better. It 306 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: felt like the Big Ten had a better than average year. 307 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: To me, am I seeing things it what did you 308 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: make of it? No, there was I mean, look, Ohio State, Michigan, 309 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: they're talented programs. I mean when you just I was 310 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: always going to have players Wiscons I mean, I mean, now, look, 311 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: I'm a Homer because I'm a Wisconsin grand and I 312 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: got close ties with the program and I love them. 313 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: But then if you just look positioned by position in 314 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: the league, You've got you know, you got what He's 315 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: probably one of the best rushers in the league. You 316 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: got Russell Wilson, who's one of the better quarterbacks in 317 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: the league. You got Jonathan Taylor's one of the better 318 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: running backs in the league. You got Ramcheck who's one 319 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: of the better tackles in the league. Like though, I've 320 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: always thought as a miss number when people act like 321 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: there's no talent that comes out of the Big Ten, 322 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: It's just that the SEC is so talented, Like there's 323 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: so many good players, yeah that come out of there. 324 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: You get you almost you almost brush over all these 325 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: other good players that are coming out of these other 326 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: conferences just because they're so talented. So let's go back 327 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: to acquiring Matt Ryan, and I think he's a really 328 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: good fit. So take me to the conversation you and 329 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: m Erse. So you know you're moving off Wentz. Are 330 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: you driving to work? Are you driving home? Like, like, 331 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: was it a long process taking to the first conversation 332 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: you had with Jim? Well, I mean, I give miss 333 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: or Say a lot of credit. I mean, I'm I'm 334 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: pretty patient by nature. I mean, I don't really care 335 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: what it's going on outside of our walls and the 336 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: panic that happened, So I'm there. You know, after we 337 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: made the trade, you know, Messer Frank and I had 338 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: talked and he said, look, just be patient. Something good's 339 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: going to happen. Um, just be patient, don't panic, and 340 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: just sign a player to sign a player just to 341 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: feel the need to make everybody happy in the moment. 342 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: And you know when when the Deshaun watching stuff started happening, Um, 343 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: we just we have been tracking it and looking at 344 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: the teams who he could go to and where you 345 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: know the quarterbacks could be available, and you know, we 346 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: gotta we gotta call one day from Atlanta and said, hey, look, 347 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: you know we're in the US, and would you be 348 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: interested in Matt Ryan because he's going to have He's 349 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: one of the places that he said he has interest 350 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: in going is Indianapolis. And you know, at that point 351 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: we just we kind of worked through it with Atlanta 352 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: and when they didn't get to Seawan, we stayed in contact. 353 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: And I'll never get the night before I thought them 354 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: the Thursday said hey, look this is where we're at. 355 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: And he just said, Chris, get it done. And I said, 356 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: good because I feel the same way. Now. You were blocked, 357 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: weren't you by the Texans for to Shaun? That was 358 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: a story. Oh that was a story. There's lots of 359 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: stories call him well, half of them half amateure, half 360 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: of them are not. So I guess you can block 361 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: people for a request, right you can? You have a 362 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: right to block people. I mean, people called a trade 363 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: for players all the time and I tell them no. 364 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 1: So how many calls a day do you get from 365 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: an executive in the league that's not a CULTS employee. 366 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: There's some guys. I mean, I wouldn't say every day, 367 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: but I talked. I mean, there's certain gems around the 368 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: league that I have tremendous respect for that there's a 369 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: trust level there that I that I do talk to 370 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: and some of the same ones, you know, Yeah, that 371 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: I just have great respect and can bounce things off 372 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: of and know that it won't be on you know, 373 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: it won't be in the news and the next day. 374 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: And we're pretty active, you know, even though people don't think, 375 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: we are pretty active around the league, and our pro 376 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: scouts do a tremendous job talking and making sure their 377 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: contacts around the league are strong and that we know 378 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: what's going on. Yeah, do you do you ever like 379 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: some of this stuff? When I was in the Chargers 380 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: war room a couple of years ago, I was fascinated 381 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: by how Tlesco ran it, and I mean just having 382 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: his director of scouting people next to him working the phones, 383 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: and to me, it was like, this is such a 384 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: great tight wire job. When when you go into draft day, 385 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: do you do they do like dress rehearsals, Like do 386 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: you say to your staff, all right, we're doing a 387 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: dress rehearsal and make it as hard as you can 388 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: on me and multiple trades, like because the way he 389 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: told me the story is like listen, we kind of 390 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna predict some wild turns on this stuff. Do 391 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: you go through the same process kind of? But we 392 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: so we do it a little different than some people 393 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: that we meet. So we watch like Colin, we watch everybody, 394 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: like from free agent all the way up to the 395 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: best picks, we watch them all and we it's a 396 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: three month process, and so as we're going through it, 397 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: you know, we spend a lot of time stacking it 398 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: the way we see it. And then on draft day, 399 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: like always tell our guys like, hey, are you are 400 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: we sure in the second round? Here? We because if 401 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: because as this thing pills off, if that's the last name, 402 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: that's who we're taking, Like I'm not, We're not doing 403 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: all this work for the last year and then all 404 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: of a sudden on draft day flipping and going I 405 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: don't feel good about this guy now? No, we and 406 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: so how we end up. I think we ended up 407 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: probably more. I think we had one hundred and eighty 408 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: one guys on the board this year, which is a 409 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: lot for us. Usually usually will be in the one 410 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: sixty range. And I think at the end of the 411 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: draft there was fifteen names left. So I thought we 412 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: identified who needed to be up there that was fits 413 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: for us and the way we saw it. And then 414 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: on draft day like we don't because we spent so 415 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: much time stacking it, it peels off. Colin. It's usually 416 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: pretty easy and simple, like there might be sometimes there 417 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: might be one name left. This year, there happened to 418 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: be three or four at forty two that were like okay. 419 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: That's when we made the trade back to fifty three. 420 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: We said, we still think we can get you know, 421 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: these guys at fifty three. So we let our board determine. 422 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: And I think we're all pretty good. We're all pretty 423 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: quick thinkers on our feet. Like I got a really 424 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: great group from our from days, my assistant GM, the 425 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: Kevin are you know who director player personnel, to Morocco, 426 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: to our analyst guys, and they're all they all communicate 427 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: to me of what's going on what's what's happening in 428 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 1: the moment. We get a lot of because people know 429 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: we'll trade, they know we'll move down, So we get 430 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: a lot of calls during the drab because they know 431 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: we're willing to move and all of our guys are 432 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: really good at it. So let's say you're in the 433 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: third round, you take Gilanni Woods the tight end, and 434 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: you're moving down the board, and tight end was a 435 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: need you wanted another tight end. But let's say you 436 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: get to pick seventy three and he's not your seventy 437 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: third best player, but he's darn close. Do you sit 438 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: here and think, Okay, I got two guys ahead of him, 439 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: but I you know, I don't need a quarterback and 440 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: I don't need this, And then like how far will 441 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: you go it? Like, listen, we have him highly ranked 442 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: and he's darned close at this draft spot. Do you 443 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: go down three spots five, eight? Like? Explain that process? 444 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: I think it depends on you know, like our analytes 445 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: guys do. I mean, these guys are good, now, Colin, 446 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: They freaking nail it every year for us, and they 447 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: good do a good job of projecting where the range 448 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: these guys are going to go and if they fit 449 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 1: for us from a talent standpoint, where we've got him 450 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: lined up, like, we just line them up, like I 451 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: don't ever worry about where the media and the experts 452 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: have them lined up. We find him up as we 453 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: see him, and then we figure out, okay, we got him. 454 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: Let's say we got a guy in this third round 455 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: and our analytes guys help, Okay, you might be able 456 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: to get this guy twenty picks later, Chris So, then 457 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: we okay, as it worked the risk, you know, what 458 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: are we gaining by moving up? So then when we move, 459 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: let's say we trade back into third ten picks and 460 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: we pick up an extra five, But what's the cluster 461 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: of players look like five that we think we're gonna 462 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: get and we had ranked in that area. It was 463 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: so I'll give our staff a lot of Chriss So 464 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: like we really liked Cross from Maryland who we took, 465 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: and we ended up moving up and we're given up 466 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: a fifth and a third next year to get Cross. Colin. 467 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: That happened. There was a minute left on the clock 468 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: with Denver, and I just kept telling him just keep calling. 469 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: Somebody will somebody will do it. And then Finally there's 470 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: a minute on the clock and Kevin yo over, hey, 471 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: I got Denver, They'll do the deal, and I mean it. 472 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: So then you got to call the league. Both teams 473 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: got to call the league within a minute and get 474 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: the get the kid on the phone to make sure 475 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: he's around. It was. That was probably one of the 476 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: funniest moments of the weekend for us because we didn't 477 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: expect it. We didn't think we were going to get him. 478 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: We had already taken, you know, three really good players 479 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: that we liked, and then to get Cross at the end, 480 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: that was kind of that was kind of the cherry 481 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: on top for us. You had a coach who felt 482 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: like he disappointed you after Jacksonville. You had an owner 483 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 1: that's pissed. You had a quarterback that has taken a 484 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: lot of hits. You're right in the middle of it. 485 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: Was there about a ten day stretch where it sucked. 486 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm harder. And then you got a 487 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: GM who's feel like I've let an owner and a 488 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: head coach and a team and a city down for 489 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: the way that thing ended, Like I don't ever look, 490 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm grateful to do what I do. Colin I'll never 491 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: one day take even the bad, you know, even the 492 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: hard parts of the job. I'll always be great. I mean, look, 493 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: I could have to go get a real job. That 494 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: would shock. I mean I couldn't imagine going to get 495 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: a real job my whole life. I've been able to 496 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: work in football and I am just really blessed to 497 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 1: do that. Now. Did I go into a little bit 498 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: of a dark place, Yes, but that dark place wasn't 499 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: It was more of the disappointment in myself that we 500 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: didn't get it done. And then sit and the one 501 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: thing that my wife, my wife's always she said, Chris, 502 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: you're so you're you're you're happiest in chaos, you know you. 503 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I knows I've created enough of it, and 504 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: h I love Like one of the things that I 505 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: really love about this job is the problem solving aspect 506 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: of and figuring out, Okay, how how we're going to 507 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 1: do this? Like how is this going to come together? 508 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: And if you've got enough really good people around you 509 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: that are really smart, like I don't ever take that 510 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: for granted. Um, smart people figure problems and they're good teammates, 511 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: they'll figure it well, we'll figure it out. Together, um, 512 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: and if our process is really good, this thing will 513 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: work out. And we think it did. Now we got 514 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: to go prove it. Like all the stuff. Yeah, I mean, 515 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: like all the offseason and like like people, people will 516 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: forget about all this once the season starts. I know 517 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: you're shocked, but this week's gold medal performance goes to 518 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: the New York Jets. I don't really do draft grades much, 519 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: but I did love the Jets draft. Their first three 520 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: picks were all consensus Top ten prospects and rank the 521 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 1: best at their positions. Of their seven picks, they came 522 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: away with five potential immediate starters. The jury still out 523 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: on quarterback Zach Wilson and head coach Robert Sala, but 524 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: they got a keeper in GM Joe Douglas. 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You know there's a 537 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: trend now and I don't know if it was started 538 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: by the Rams, but the Rams and less sneed their takeaway. 539 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: You know, I think is kind of Listen, if I 540 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: got to make a trade and get Jalen Ramsey and 541 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, I'll trade that for a first round pick 542 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: every day. You did that? When you go to a 543 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: draft and don't have a first round pick, though, are 544 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: you thinking, man, man, I like John Lynch didn't have 545 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: one until like pick sixty, and I'm thinking to myself, man, 546 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: I'd struggle to be in the draft? Is a GM 547 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: and I got I got nothing? It like? Is it? 548 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: Is it anxiety driven for you? Or do you like 549 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: you just know, Hey, we gotta it's gonna be a 550 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: second through a fifth. We're gonna get our players. No, 551 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 1: I don't ever. Well, first thing is when you talk 552 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 1: about the Rams in that light like they've done like 553 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: what Less in his group have done has been tremendous. 554 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: Like they get there's a lot of there's a lot 555 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: of talk, and deservedly so, about all the picks they've traded, 556 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: But what people don't talk about enough is the comp picks. 557 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: They do it unbelievable job work in the comp system. 558 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: They get a lot of third, fourth, fifth, sixth round picks, 559 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: and then they're hitting on them. They've got great they've 560 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: got a great vision with their coaching staff of how 561 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: these players are gonna fit because they have to just 562 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: because of the financial restrictions they have from having so 563 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: many great players. And then when you don't have a 564 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: first round pick, like we didn't have one in twenty 565 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: when we took Pittman, Taylor and Blackman. There's good players 566 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: at every level. It's just making sure you identify them 567 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: and then being smart enough to take them. I mean, look, 568 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: I've done some there's some players I've passed up on 569 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: that I look back and I go, you aren't idiot, 570 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: Like what were you thinking? I mean, I mean, I 571 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: just and then you know, then you get it, right. 572 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: You take a Taylor and a Pittman, You're like, Okay, 573 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: I got that one, right, But then you get back 574 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: and you because we post mortem a lot of we 575 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: post more toem everything. And I'll always and that's how 576 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: you grow, and that's how you learn when you reevaluate 577 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: past drafts of who was on the board and should 578 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: you have taken this guy over this guy? Um, but 579 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: like not having the first it didn't whatever. I mean, 580 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: I'll probably trade it anyways. Here, I'll throw this at you, 581 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: the duality of football, So the transfer portal and nil. 582 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: So you're going to get different players, they'll be entitlement, 583 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: they'll be One of the things I hear about coaches, 584 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: Saban says this, like, listen, if you're gonna just transfer 585 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: every time you've got a problem, you're not, really you're not. 586 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: You don't have that's that's that thin, that thick skin 587 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: and that kind of metal that this sport requires quarterbacks, 588 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: especially Chris. And I've noticed this for a decade. You know, 589 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: if a kid goes to a program and they bring 590 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: in another kid, hell, he'll transfer six months in the program. 591 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: Like I'm not getting snaps. I'm out that's pretty precious. 592 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: I do you sense a little bit of that? Like, hey, 593 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: Dad's harvering over the program, I don't get a start, 594 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: I worry that you're gonna lose sort of that innate 595 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: eighties nineties sort of like because the media is harder, 596 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: social media is more brutal, coaches are tough, and yet 597 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: you kind of grooved into a starting job in college 598 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: and not challenged much. Do you worry all about that? Absolutely, 599 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: I dude, and this will I mean all right, so 600 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: I well, there's there's always some extenuating circumstances why guy's transfer. 601 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: But the one thing that bothers me is we're making 602 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: it it's so easy to transfer now, Like we're we're 603 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: teaching kids it's okay to quit when it gets a 604 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: little hard, when there's a little competition there. And so 605 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: you know what, you know what, I'm out. I don't 606 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: want to I don't to stay and compete. And that's 607 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: the wrong. Like we'll teach like football, like what it 608 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: gives us, colin, Like what this game gives kids playing it? 609 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: It teaches all the right things and even and I 610 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: tell our guys here, you know that you know when 611 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: football is over, Like you've got a skill set that 612 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: the rest of the other people don't have. I think 613 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: you've learned how to work. You've learned how to persevere, 614 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: you've learned to work in a team, you've learned to 615 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: work solved problems. Like all these cool things you've learned, 616 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to apply in the real world, 617 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: whatever your passion is. But now we're saying, okay, it's okay, 618 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: you know what. I'm not the starter, So instead of 619 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: just grinding it out, I'm going to transfer. Could you 620 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: imagine if Tom Brady or to transfer from Michigan. I mean, 621 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: like he had every reason too. He was a highly 622 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: recruited quarterback. He had to grind, like I would tell you, 623 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: and I don't. I mean, I don't know Tom will 624 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: enough to ask it. But if you ask Tom Brady 625 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: what helped make him who he is today, I think 626 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: grinding through what he had to grind do it Michigan 627 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: was part of it. People don't want the hardness of 628 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 1: the journey. They want to success and it to be handed. 629 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 1: And it is the absolute wrong message that we're sending today. 630 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: It's bothersome. It's really bothersome. Yeah, psychologists will tell you that, 631 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: you know, kids will say today I want to be happy. Well, 632 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: the action comes before the feeling, So you get happy 633 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: accomplishing stuff. It doesn't. It doesn't work the other way around. 634 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: And like to me, I like fulfillment. I get it. 635 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: Finishing a project like the journey is what I like. Rights, 636 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: It's no different Colin than like everybody wants to be 637 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: a I mean, I don't know. I don't I didn't 638 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: exactly grow up wanting to be a gym. It just 639 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: I got lucky and fortunate. But like, okay, I'll have 640 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: people ask me, well, you know, I want to be 641 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: a gym wind, you know, but I want to do 642 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: it on this time frame. And but do they want 643 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: to be a GM and go work in Kingsville, Texas 644 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,439 Speaker 1: for twelve thousand dollars a year for seven for seven years? 645 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: Do they want to go work for the Chicago Bears 646 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: and be an area scout for eleven years? You know? 647 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: Do they want to grind up? Like they see the 648 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: top level, but they don't understand all the things that 649 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: came in between to get to get there. And there's 650 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: a lot of work and sacrifice. Like people want the 651 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: ultimate result without the work and without the sacrifice and 652 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: without the struggle and without the failure. Like that's that's 653 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: what I worry about I worry about that. We're not 654 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: teaching that anymore. All right, do you get a summer vacation. 655 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: We're you gonna go take your family for a week somewhere. Well, 656 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: I got five kids, so I got one at Baylor 657 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: and she'll be home for the summer, which would be great. 658 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: The other four tour playing baseball, tour, soccer. We'll go 659 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: to Wisconsin. We go to northern Wisconsin. It's great. Yeah, great, 660 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: we go for it called it tells Now. We go 661 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: even norther up to uh it's called Boulder Junction. Um, 662 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: it's up in north Wisconsin, and we just love it. 663 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 1: We go every year for about eight days and it's 664 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: and it's great. Uh. That's My wife is from um Chicago, 665 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: and so she's told me about Wisconsin summers for years, 666 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: how beautiful it is. Absolutely, you get that perfect crisp nights, 667 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 1: no humidity, seventy eight eighty two degrees. God, that's good living. Oh, 668 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: it's it's it's great. Like I have no desire to 669 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: go back to the heat. I grew up in it. 670 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm okay with the cold. I'm one of the few 671 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: psychos who like it. It's great seeing you man. 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