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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get

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Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. So,

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Speaker 1: what the heck was the point of the government shutdown?

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Speaker 1: Senate Majority leader soon offered Democrats basically the same deal

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Speaker 1: they just accepted or release some of the Democrats accepted.

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Speaker 2: Back in October.

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Speaker 1: So what was the point of screwing over all of

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Speaker 1: these working families, from our military to our air traffic controllers,

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Speaker 1: of withholding their paychecks?

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Speaker 2: What was the point?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Democrats say it's over these beefed up Obamacare subsidies, but

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Speaker 1: they're always supposed.

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Speaker 2: To be temporary.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, those specific subsidies are going to

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Speaker 1: wealthy people, so it's not helping the working class.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna ask Senator Ron Johnson about that.

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Speaker 1: Also, President Trump has called for ending the fillbuster. Should

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Speaker 1: Republicans do it? Does Senator Ron Johnson support that? And

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Speaker 1: what would that mean for the Senate moving forward? All

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Speaker 1: of that and more with Senator Ron Johnson.

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Speaker 2: So, Senator Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Back in October, Senate Jordi Leader Thoon offered a vote

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Speaker 1: on subsidies on these beefed up Obamacare substies.

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Speaker 2: In exchange for reopening the government. What was the point

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Speaker 2: of all of this.

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Speaker 4: I think that was just to gain Democrats consent to,

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Speaker 4: you know, do whatever we need to do. Again, in

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Speaker 4: order for the Senate to operate at all requires consent

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Speaker 4: after consent after consent for just.

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Speaker 3: The menials little thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if if the other if the minority party

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Speaker 4: wanted to grind the scent to the Hall, they could

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Speaker 4: do so because you literally need otherwise you have to

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Speaker 4: motion and votes on you know, walking down to the

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Speaker 4: well basically, but you know, generally is to stop their obstruction.

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Speaker 4: But again, from my standpoint, I don't think that was

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Speaker 4: that difficult to vote. I mean, their demands were so outlandish,

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Speaker 4: and I truthfully think that Democrats have stepped in it

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Speaker 4: by raising the issue of Obamacare. They've given us a

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Speaker 4: few months now to just highlight what a miserable it is.

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Speaker 4: I held a hearing last week assessing the damage of Obamacare,

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Speaker 4: and we had some great witnesses, people like Brian Blaze

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Speaker 4: and Karen Bragden and Joel White, and then they just

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Speaker 4: laid out, I mean, the consolidation in the industry which late,

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Speaker 4: which caused the anti competitive skyrocketing across the premiums you

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Speaker 4: know the damage done to Medicaid, traditional Medicaid recipients, recipients,

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Speaker 4: you know, disabled children being crowded out in favor of adults,

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Speaker 4: the Medicaid expansion population. Then Brian Blaze really covered the

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Speaker 4: premium increases.

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Speaker 3: But at the very end of the.

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Speaker 4: Hearing, after we've laid all this damage, all this destruction

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Speaker 4: out center, Bloomenthal, my ranking member goes, but where are

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Speaker 4: the millions of people harmed by Obamacare? I don't know

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Speaker 4: anybody harmed by Obamacare. At that point I could point

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Speaker 4: to his witness. He brought in a mom from Madison, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: She is a victim of Obamacare. She lost her employer

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Speaker 4: coverage in twenty sixteen, had to buy They bought a

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Speaker 4: silver Planet one thousand thousand months for that over a

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Speaker 4: couple of years. So they switched to a bronze plan

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Speaker 4: with a fourteen thousand dollars deductible. Now, at least back

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Speaker 4: when I was buying healthcare, that was a catastrophic plan,

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Speaker 4: medical expanses. Her and her husband had to take out

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Speaker 4: an eighteen thousand dollars home equity line of credit to

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Speaker 4: pay for the medical bills that's not insurance. So the

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Speaker 4: Democrat's own witness was a victim of Obamacare. But our

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Speaker 4: problem is he's sitting there in the hearing with his

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Speaker 4: own witness unable to recognize the damage done to her

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Speaker 4: and her family because of Obamacare. So Democrats in a

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Speaker 4: total state denial. But this has given us, like you say,

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Speaker 4: a couple month opportunity to point out the American public

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Speaker 4: exactly how destructive Obamacare has been. Ye.

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Speaker 1: I guess my point is this could have ended back

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Speaker 1: in October, because if you look at inevitably were Democrats

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Speaker 1: ended up, it was with a guaranteed vote on the

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Speaker 1: enhanced Obamacare subsidies. But soon had offered that back in October.

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Speaker 4: But again they wanted to highlight the fact that these

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Speaker 4: premam is going to skyrocket because of the faulty design

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Speaker 4: of Obamacare, because of their enhanced substance that they decided

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Speaker 4: to have expired, which is a good thing they're expiring.

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Speaker 4: And again the reason they fossil heart is they wanted

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Speaker 4: and that they were desperate to do that. I mean

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Speaker 4: so desperate that they want through this comic coze shutdown

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Speaker 4: that used government workers in the American public as pawns

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Speaker 4: in these in the sick political gainsmanship.

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Speaker 1: How much of it do you think was to drive

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Speaker 1: turnout in last week's elections, because you know, if you

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Speaker 1: look at every poll, you look at this article from

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Speaker 1: for blood, is what some of these House Democrats told Axios.

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Speaker 1: You know how much of it was to drive turnout

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think Trump derangement syndrome is very strong among the

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Speaker 4: this to drive that kind of turnout. Again, I really

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Speaker 4: think this was all about masking the miserable favor that

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Speaker 4: Obamacare is trying to bludgeon us into throwing a few

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Speaker 4: hundred billion dollars at it to continue to hide that fact.

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Speaker 4: I really think that was the main point. And again

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Speaker 4: I thought they think they can score political points. Health

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Speaker 4: Care has always been a very potent issue for them

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Speaker 4: because the American public nobody thinks they should pay for

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Speaker 4: health care anymore.

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Speaker 3: It's just a sad fact.

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Speaker 4: You know, you get your insurance, your employer, you may

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Speaker 4: have to contribute something, but nobody thinks they should actually

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Speaker 4: have to pay for medical services.

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Speaker 3: Somebody else pays for it.

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Speaker 4: Either you pay insurance premiums then the insurance carrier covers it,

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Speaker 4: or you pay your taxes and you're in Medicare, you're Medicaid.

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Speaker 3: So it's a very sad fact that we have.

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Speaker 4: As a result, taken all the disciplines, all the benefits

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Speaker 3: We're that satisfy as the result.

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Speaker 4: But I think that's really the main issue there is

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Speaker 4: Democrats they do well on healthcare because they're always promising

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Speaker 4: to pay for people's health care, and that, unfortunately in America,

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Speaker 4: is popular.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting with these premiums specifically because well, one,

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Speaker 1: you know, they were covid era, so they were always

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Speaker 2: But secondly, they also are for people.

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Speaker 1: Making over four hundred percent of the poverty line, so

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Speaker 1: you know, we're not talking about you know, subsidies for

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Speaker 4: Because Obamacare was never about bringing health insurance rates down.

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Speaker 4: I mean even Democrats had realized, I mean people like

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Speaker 4: the Gruber, that one guy that does talked about how

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Speaker 4: stupid American people were and stuff and me. They weren't

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Speaker 4: dumb enough to realize that this Rube Goldberg architecture here

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Speaker 4: was going to actually lower premium. So when President Obama

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Speaker 4: was saying We're going to lower healthcare costs like twenty

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Speaker 4: lie as if you like.

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Speaker 3: Your healthcare plan, if you like your doctor, you can

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Speaker 3: keep it. They never believe that.

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Speaker 4: So this has always been about a single payer system,

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Speaker 4: and the enhanced subsy that was a great way to transition.

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Speaker 4: You'll take the next step toward single payer system because

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Speaker 4: now you're including people that were excluded from Obamacare substis,

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Speaker 4: you're bringing more people onto a single payer system. Right,

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Speaker 4: you have the Medicaid Expansion group. You know, it's about

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Speaker 4: twenty million Americans. You're young, a lot of them young,

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Speaker 4: you know, working age, childless, able bodied adults that don't

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Speaker 4: work because they get the healthcare.

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Speaker 3: Paid for them.

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Speaker 4: Now, So this is it's always been about moving to

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Speaker 4: a single payer system, and this is enhanced SUBSCY was

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Speaker 4: just that next step toward that system, and we told

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Speaker 4: we made a backstep.

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Speaker 1: I actually had a debate Jonathan Gruber on Obamacare on

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Speaker 1: TV one time. My goal was just to get him

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Speaker 1: combusted after that. So is it too late then to

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Speaker 1: put the genie back in the bottle, Because, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: like the whole point of Obamacare and then also the

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Speaker 1: extension of these enhanced subsidies is to move us to

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Speaker 1: single pair system and that's something obviously Republicans have been

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Speaker 1: warning about for quite some time. Now, is it too

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Speaker 1: late to go back? I mean, is the damage done? Like,

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Speaker 1: once you kind of create a government program, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: seems to be impossible to claw it back.

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Speaker 4: Well, I understand you've only got they say, twenty four

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Speaker 4: million people in these exchanges. That's debatable because you probably

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Speaker 4: have four or five six million that are totally phantom.

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Speaker 3: You know, got twenty million people and make it expansion.

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Speaker 4: We certainly tried to pap that by not allowing these

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Speaker 4: adults get a one to nine match. So, I mean,

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Speaker 4: there are things we can certainly do, But the reason

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Speaker 4: I never really liked the slogan repeal and replace is.

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Speaker 4: I much prefer the descriptive it's called slogan. But we

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Speaker 4: pair the damage done bobombacare and transition.

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Speaker 3: To a system that works. The reason I like that is, Okay,

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Speaker 3: well what damage. Well, that's our opportunity now over the

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Speaker 4: We need to point out the damage done Bobombacare and

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Speaker 4: if we can do an effective job at that. And

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Speaker 4: again that's what the Democrats trying to hide with these subseeds.

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Speaker 4: Show the premiums. I've got one chart, state by state

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Speaker 4: increase in premiums.

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Speaker 3: For I think it's a forty year old individual.

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Speaker 4: One hundred and sixty nine percent since the start of Obamacare.

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Speaker 4: Inflation's up thirty nine cents. That's four point three times

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Speaker 4: the rate inflation. Again, if we can describe that damage,

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Speaker 4: then you know, God bless President Trump.

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Speaker 3: Working with the Rick.

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Speaker 4: Scott this is kind of his concept, well, it's a

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Speaker 3: He's really pushing this less.

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Speaker 4: Whatever we spend on Obamacare, less, transfer that to the

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Speaker 4: American people and let them buy the healthcare plans that

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Speaker 4: they choose. Kind of go back to pre Obamacare. Now

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Speaker 4: you've got to unravel a lot of Obamcare's faulty architecture.

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Speaker 4: But I think people are ready because they're not happy

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Speaker 4: with the fact that if they just want a short

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Speaker 4: You know, employer sponsored insurance has only gone up seventy

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Speaker 4: four percent, not quite double the rating, and part of

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Speaker 4: that cost increases driven by the faulty architecture of Obamacare.

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Speaker 4: So I know I'm throwing a lot of facts and

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Speaker 4: details out here, but yes, I think if we can

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Speaker 4: freedom to buy plans that fit their needs. I mean,

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Speaker 4: if you're a young person, you don't need first dollar cover,

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Speaker 4: you don't need a gold plated plan.

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Speaker 3: You probably need a castrophic care plan because you're generally healthy. Right.

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Speaker 4: So, no, we have to be able to do this

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Speaker 4: because continue down this this road is just going to

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Speaker 4: completely ruin our healthcare system.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's always the response is when you tack Obamacare,

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Speaker 1: then it's well, then what's the Republican plan?

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Speaker 4: You know we have We have so many ideas out there.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm trying to simplify things. Let's keep basic principles.

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Speaker 4: You know, let's let's get people. Let's not tell them

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Speaker 3: It's one of the reasons premiums and the individual.

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Speaker 2: There was some debate.

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Speaker 2: It's something that President Trump called.

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Speaker 1: For as well, you know, should we do that and

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, it's a real shame that Democrats

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of reluctance. We didn't want to.

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Speaker 4: They were happy, they knew this was harmful to our economy.

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Speaker 4: So President Trump's just recognized that reality. What are we

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Speaker 4: well because we haven't done permitting reform, because we haven't

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Speaker 3: They were putting pressure on Democrats. Democrats just gave in

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Speaker 4: They only care about power, about their own political power.

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Speaker 4: That's all democrats elected, democrats want is power.

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Speaker 3: It's sick.

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Speaker 1: Senator Ron Johnson, we appreciate you making the time stir

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Speaker 1: looking forward to having.

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Speaker 2: You back on soon.

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Speaker 3: Have a great day.

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