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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything. So don't do what's up my Cuomo

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Speaker 1: sexual opening you've done and you've opened many shows screaming it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I felt. I felt the pain come over the zoom

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Speaker 1: line from all of you, and it's fueling me right now.

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Speaker 1: It was a collective cringe, that's for sure. The is

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Speaker 1: a synonym for a sex past right, sex p Yes,

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Speaker 1: somebody who commits The last thing I saw on Twitter

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Speaker 1: before we got on this call with somebody pointing out

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Speaker 1: that about this time last year, I get it's more

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Speaker 1: like ma a of last year. There was a whole

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Speaker 1: line of products branded Cuomo Sexual where it would be

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Speaker 1: like Cuomo done up in like the Hope image because

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Speaker 1: everyone's like, it's so hot that he's competent, who knows

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Speaker 1: how to manage, you know, speaking complete sentences and he

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Speaker 1: can manage a yeah. And then it turned out he

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Speaker 1: was lying and hiding well, pushing to reopen during a

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Speaker 1: pandemic himself about all of this at length, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: why this way appreciate that that's good. Mine was Cuomo

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Speaker 1: tale vu, which is how play on how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: In French? What's good? Chris was better, yours was better? Cuomo? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Would you like to see my naked Cuomo

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Speaker 1: speak French? Yeah, that's fine. You've got the gist here.

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Speaker 1: Really really wild year for Andrew, hasn't it, Guys, As

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Speaker 1: you've touched on Democratic Party people, you know, resistance heroes,

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Speaker 1: spend all of the spring, you know, lauding his his

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Speaker 1: nightly addresses, you know, watching him real against Trump, people

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Speaker 1: calling themselves cuomosexuals. He had magazine covers. Everybody just gobbled

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Speaker 1: it up. We sat there, you know, watching him on

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Speaker 1: his brother's news show. They got many times, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think the single serious person has argued with that, Sophie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they have, but you're right, you said serious. You're right. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm no point taken the hotter Cuomo. But both of

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Speaker 1: them were up there like jackasses, joking about which is

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Speaker 1: the better son. Meanwhile, his administration is actively covering things

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Speaker 1: up and you know, talking and razing his response to

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Speaker 1: the pandemic, you know, setting himself up as a foil

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump, when the truth is is that at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the fucking pandemic, he was not doing anything.

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Speaker 1: He was delaying social distancing measures. He was downplaying the

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Speaker 1: threat of the virus all of it. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: mean he learned. He published his book in November, American

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Speaker 1: Crisis Leadership Lessons in before the pandemic was over. Is

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Speaker 1: the book just once page that says cover up the

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Speaker 1: deaths of old people? Because if so? Probably good book. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a good lesson. It's just like fifty words on

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Speaker 1: how to hide the nursing homes are getting people killed

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Speaker 1: in your sitting, here's how to cover it up. Tabulating

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Speaker 1: the charts. The first forty pages are just about picking

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Speaker 1: the right shovel. Jesus, Katie, Katie, you were saying, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean all of this is great, great, great stuff. Um.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that was Reese revealed before we get

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Speaker 1: to this week's big Andrew news. Uh, yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: revealed that over the summer actively covering up the death

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Speaker 1: tolls in New York state nursing homes, reducing the number

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Speaker 1: by almost half. Uh and concealed you know, the way

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Speaker 1: things were tabulated. And it also has come to light

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Speaker 1: that he personally called and threatened a New York Assemblyman,

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Speaker 1: Ron Kim, saying that he would ruin his career if

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Speaker 1: he didn't help him cover up the nursing home scandal.

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Speaker 1: And all of that is just a precursor to the

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Speaker 1: conversation we're going to have, which, as of today, three women,

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Speaker 1: three women have come forward with extremely credible stories of

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Speaker 1: sexual harassment. Two of these women's experienced, Uh this while

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Speaker 1: working with Andrew Cuomo in his administration. Uh it's not

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Speaker 1: just these These stories don't just paint a picture of

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Speaker 1: sexual harassment, but of an office culture that was completely

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Speaker 1: aware of his behaviors. Help excuse them? Um, I mean

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna get into some of these stories. I

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Speaker 1: will say that there are almost certainly more stories to come.

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Speaker 1: A couple of these women reference conversations with other women

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Speaker 1: heard from yet. How convenient? Why now? Though? Why now?

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Speaker 1: What you think? Save that joke? Save that joke for

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Speaker 1: when we talk about but very funny right there with you?

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Speaker 1: I have that, John, But I want to describe people

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Speaker 1: of these women's experiences. Um. The first woman who came forward,

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Boylan, this story is is really awful. Uh. It

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Speaker 1: all of their stories did. UM. But this all just

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Speaker 1: paints a picture of a man that repeatedly sexualizes and

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Speaker 1: gone out of their way to accommodate that. Maybe that's

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Speaker 1: not the worst part, but it is, UM an awful

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Speaker 1: part of this story. Um. This is from Lindsay's own account.

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Speaker 1: I've got a couple of excerpts here. Governor Cuomo has

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Speaker 1: created a culture within his administration where sexual harassment and

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Speaker 1: bullying is so pervasive that it is not only condoned

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Speaker 1: but expected. His inappropriate behavior toward women was an affirmation

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Speaker 1: He used intimidation to silence his critics, and if you

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Speaker 1: on to talk about the time almost suggested that they

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Speaker 1: play strip poker while they were on a private jet,

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Speaker 1: how he'd had her own supervisor tell her that he

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Speaker 1: and look up pictures. Oh god, women hearing that, right, women,

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Speaker 1: women are like, how do I compare to your ex?

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Speaker 1: touch her inappropriately on her lower back and on her legs,

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Speaker 1: how his staff started keeping tabs on her whereabouts, you know,

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Speaker 1: like trying to arrange moments where they could be alone together.

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Speaker 1: And she has to like rig a lout of situations

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Speaker 1: with him. Um. Here's another quote from it. The governor's

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Speaker 1: pervasive harassment extended beyond just me. He made unflattering comments

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Speaker 1: their romantic relationships and significant others. He said the reasons

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Speaker 1: We were in his New York City office on Third Avenue.

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Speaker 1: weren't for the binary and heavily politic sized nature of

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Speaker 1: my own life. And I don't need to get too personal.

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Speaker 1: one more story. I want to share it. But immediately

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Speaker 1: Why didn't they go to the cops? Are you kidding?

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Speaker 1: Because he's the fucking governor and one of the richest

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Speaker 1: any nefarious purpose, but simply because he's a fan. So

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Speaker 1: thanks Joe for listening. If you really thought healthcare was

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Speaker 1: a human right, to be pushing for some kind of

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Speaker 1: single payer healthcare system. Anyway, Okay, back to the show,

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Speaker 1: uncanceled take that libs culture. I'm excited for the cancel

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Speaker 1: culture hearings. I am excited for us to have a

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Speaker 1: new ruin's hundreds of thousands of lives based around fighting

432
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Speaker 1: cancel culture. That's gonna be fun and waste so much

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Speaker 1: fucking time. And oh my god, I fully expect a

434
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Speaker 1: bill restricting, like punishing people criminally for cancel culture before

435
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Speaker 1: we get any meaningful action of climate change. And that's

436
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: very much on track for that. They aren't even talking

437
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Speaker 1: about the real issue with it. They're talking about fucking

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Speaker 1: Mr potato Head, so embarrassing. It's not like a worker's

439
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: rights issue or anything like that. It's about Mr fucking

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Speaker 1: potato Head. The House Judiciary Committee's GOP Twitter account fucking

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Speaker 1: posted a clip from Toy Story of Mr potato Head

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Speaker 1: saying that's Mr. Potato Head pronouns he him. That's what

443
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Speaker 1: the fucking House Judiciary Committee is up to these days,

444
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Speaker 1: tweeting clips from toy Story out of context, by the way,

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Speaker 1: because they just called him, called him potato Head in

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Speaker 1: the fucking movie, and he's like, it's Mr. It was

447
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Speaker 1: a sign of respect. It wasn't about his fucking gender.

448
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Speaker 1: It's so stupid. And they're now they're doing the doctor

449
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Speaker 1: soyce thing. I can't even. I'm so, I'm so tired

450
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Speaker 1: of it. And they're gonna do a hearing about don't

451
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Speaker 1: you don't sound tired, He's sound very red. I'm so,

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Speaker 1: I'm so awaken to lert that I pronounced it correctly,

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Speaker 1: did you? Yeah? Dr so right. I thought that I

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Speaker 1: missed something. I thought that they were doing a dog

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Speaker 1: like a plan his name somehow. No, but you met

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Speaker 1: it is. I promise you. I promise you. I am.

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Speaker 1: I am canceling that pronunciation and you force Wow. See

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Speaker 1: you in Congress, see you in the fucking house. Judiciary,

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Speaker 1: have been right? That's right? Oh god, anyway, Jim Jordan,

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Speaker 1: of all fucking people is calling to do that. Jim Jordan,

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Speaker 1: the guy with the molesting of the kids and the rest,

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Speaker 1: that's the one. Watch him. I'm sorry, do you need

463
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Speaker 1: to draw more attention to yourself and your crimes? There's

464
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: no crimes anymore, and you're like a poor person who

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Speaker 1: has marijuana or something that that's still a crime. We'll

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Speaker 1: move on, we'll move on. But I can't but like, okay,

467
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Speaker 1: so earlier today, even in the fucking uh Ted Cruise

468
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Speaker 1: asked Mark Garland what he thought of cancel culture today

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Speaker 1: a cruise. What was his answer? His answer was amazing.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I don't really know the definition of that

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Speaker 1: or what like you mean by that term in the

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Speaker 1: context of this, so I can't answer it. Uh. He

473
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Speaker 1: basically called Ted weird little online free who needs to

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Speaker 1: log off, really knows how to waste a motherfucker's time.

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Speaker 1: Congress is doing great, uh speaking of uh. Well, so

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Speaker 1: the COVID relief bill is uh on its way um

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Speaker 1: allegedly um in addition to enough vaccines for million Americans. Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: they're they're working on it. Um. And uh. I just

479
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this briefly because that's clarification because

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Speaker 1: people think once something that's a lot of huge misconception.

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Speaker 1: People think that checks are in the mail when it

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Speaker 1: passes through one thing, and it's like, no, right, that's

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Speaker 1: not how it works. It goes back and forth. It's

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Speaker 1: a whole thing. They're negotiating with people's lives. Yeah. Um. Well,

485
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Speaker 1: so one thing that was attempted to be in this

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Speaker 1: bill was an increase to the federal minimum wage. UM.

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Speaker 1: It has not been raised in I want to say

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Speaker 1: ten years, possibly one or one year more or less.

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Speaker 1: And the rays wasn't supposed to be wouldn't go into

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Speaker 1: effect for several more years. Oh, yeah, it was. It

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Speaker 1: was a slow a slow role. UM. Much like in

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Speaker 1: UM in a red state Florida, UH, they raised their

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Speaker 1: minimum wage. UH. It already went to effects ten dollars

494
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Speaker 1: now and it will reach fifteen dollars by UM. So

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Speaker 1: maybe people like Joe Manchin don't actually have to worry

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Speaker 1: about their constituents considering that Florida voted to do it.

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Speaker 1: But whatever, UM, different states, different strokes. Who knows UM

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Speaker 1: it was gonna be included. I don't exactly UM as

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Speaker 1: part of this reconciliation bill budget reconciliation, and the UH

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Speaker 1: Senate parliamentarian ruled, UH, basically it's an assessment of like

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Speaker 1: the rules UH and the process UM and UH she

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Speaker 1: ruled that you can't do that on budget reconciliation. You

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Speaker 1: can do a lot of other stuff. You can, like

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Speaker 1: like tax breaks to companies and like give it to

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Speaker 1: UH private insurance company and so on, but you can't

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Speaker 1: UM made a federal minium wage increase, and so the

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Speaker 1: ruling was that you can't do that. The ruling isn't

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Speaker 1: quite the right word because the role of the parliamentarian

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Speaker 1: is to advise. UM. The actual who has like the

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Speaker 1: power in this situation is actually the Vice President UM

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Speaker 1: of of the United States. UM, the can overrule whatever

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Speaker 1: advisory the parliamentarian gives in UM two thou three. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they Republicans fire the parliamentarian because they said they couldn't

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Speaker 1: do their tax cuts. UM. They were just like, nope, fired,

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Speaker 1: They just do this kind of stuff. UM. Unfortunately, earlier

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Speaker 1: today on a phone call with Senate Dems, Biden told them, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know they need to understand budget reconciliation has its limits. UM.

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Speaker 1: It does not. UM. So I don't know. It's Uh,

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Speaker 1: there are arguments that can be made that like, you know,

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Speaker 1: they'll they'll try it again. They'll keep going. They're not

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Speaker 1: going to they're not fighting. They can fight, but they're

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Speaker 1: not fighting. They can and they're not. UM. Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: has tried a couple of different routes in forcing this.

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Speaker 1: But again, the person who could actually overrule this is

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Speaker 1: uh the Vice President UM, who I believe just as

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Speaker 1: recently as I don't know. Seven months ago, I was

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Speaker 1: talking about how we desperately need to raise them in

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Speaker 1: a wage to fifteen an hour, and uh, I, it

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Speaker 1: is just very frustrating to see quite a lot of

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Speaker 1: the discourse around this um because ultimately, um, it's just

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Speaker 1: it's just a mess. Like it's it's another reminder that

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Speaker 1: the Republicans, not all of them, but the ones who

533
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: actually steer the party run for office and get office

534
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: because they want power to do things with They have

535
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Speaker 1: things they want to do when those things are terrible,

536
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Speaker 1: but they have things that they want to do. The

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Speaker 1: Democrats who steer the party, the Kamala Harris's and the

538
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's, want this on their resume. Wanted for bragging rights.

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Speaker 1: I want to be able to die is saying they

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Speaker 1: were the president to the vice president right, Like it's

541
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Speaker 1: just enough. Because a lot of those same donors that

542
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: put Republicans in office are the same donors and the

543
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Speaker 1: same corporate people that put Democrats in office, and Democrats

544
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Speaker 1: are still beholden and they want to make the appearance

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Speaker 1: of making overtures to progress without ruffling feathers, are rocking

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Speaker 1: the boat, you know, Yeah, they're not beholden to people

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Speaker 1: who vote for them, and they know that. UM, and

548
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Speaker 1: they'll continue to go down this route because they know

549
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Speaker 1: they can get away with it. Right. Uh, if you

550
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: don't vote for the Bowl, then the worst people will

551
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: be in charge. Surely you want the not the worst

552
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: people to be in charge. It's so frustrating. UM. I

553
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: keep thinking about all the campaigning I did, that a

554
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: lot of people did, and I thought about this was

555
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: it last week we were talking about the detention centers. UM.

556
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: I definitely thought about it then and and this week

557
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: with this and just all the conversations I had with

558
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: people saying like who said, how do you know it

559
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: will be any different? Like what what? What? It's not

560
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 1: going to change and thing's going to change one guy

561
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: versus another. This guy's less obviously offensive, but at the

562
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: end of the day, it won't change my life. And

563
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: me making assurances and I shouldn't have not assurances but

564
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: saying like, yeah, you know what, I really genuinely do

565
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: think that Biden will do the right thing with immigration

566
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Speaker 1: and like come up with different ideas and you know

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00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: you won't be opening new camps for kids. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but but yeah, I bought people's money

569
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Speaker 1: in a day to day life and saying like we

570
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: gotta try, we gotta try, And it's a month in

571
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: and I'm already is so disappointed. Yeah, I can't count

572
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: the number of people I've seen just being like I

573
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: knocked on doors for us off in Warnock and I

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00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: told people to their face about these two thousand dollar checks, um,

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Speaker 1: and just like the just the utter disappointment in that.

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Speaker 1: And I've you know, I've never I've I've been pretty

577
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Speaker 1: much like, yeah, it'll be similar, it'll be better. It's

578
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: but it's good to donaldrwpers and the president, but oh

579
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: for sure, but like it is, you know, it's all

580
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: this is very expected, um, and it is very frustrating.

581
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Speaker 1: And if you look at uh, you know, people talking

582
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: about the parliamentary and how uh they still don't seem

583
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that, like it doesn't matter what the parliamentarian

584
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: really says. But like the reaction of like, well, don't

585
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Speaker 1: blame them. Here's somebody's like we need to stop focusing

586
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: on her, as she's essentially a bureaucrat just interpreting arcane rules. Uh,

587
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: direct your anger towards Joe may mention and people like

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00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: that he's the reason and so what it's just a uh,

589
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: just a merry go round of excuses. Um. I remember

590
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: talking about everywhere, everywhere, wherever you wanted to. You know what,

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00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: I'll blame Joel Mansion. I'll also blame a lot of

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00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: other people. There are lots of different reasons and people

593
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: standing in the way of making Yeah. And like I

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00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: remember leading up to the runoff in Georgia and being like,

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Speaker 1: if you if we elect us off and warnock, that

596
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: is uh, one less excuse for the Democrats, uh in

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00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: in their lack of progress. One less not that they

598
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: won't won't have any, they'll find some and like here

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00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: we are and uh, it's just a very like you.

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Speaker 1: You you point out like actually they don't have to

601
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Speaker 1: uh listen to the parliamentarian. They don't have to. It's bullshit. Uh,

602
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Speaker 1: replicans fired them. You can do whatever you want, there

603
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: are no rules. Uh, And you point that out and

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00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: they're like okay, But even if they did that, they

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00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have the votes, because the Mansion's like, okay, then

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Speaker 1: why did they include it in the first place. If

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Speaker 1: they didn't the votes, why do they include it? Does

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00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: that think maybe they didn't want to do it. Joe

609
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: Mansion has things he wants, you can you can do

610
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: the thing. We need to do the politics to find

611
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: out what Joe Mansion wants so we can nominate and

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00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: confirm near A fucking Tandon as the MB director. That's

613
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: the fight that matters. That's why people care like that.

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00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: It seems like people are realizing that the mainstream of

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00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: the the the the power brokers in the Democratic Party

616
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: are fighting harder for near A Tandon than they are

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Speaker 1: to make life livable. Yeah, and like to be clear,

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00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: that is that is exactly what's going on, um their

619
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Speaker 1: deals being made, Like ron Klain has said, like yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're fighting our guts out for near A Tandon of all,

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Speaker 1: Like why but like that is why completely replaceable with

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00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: any one of a hundred people. Just why if like

623
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: why are you spending so much time and energy on this?

624
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: Why are you like you know, I don't I'm not

625
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: saying that he'll definitely make this deal, but there's talks

626
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: of like well if for Nearer, you know, some of

627
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: for Murkowski, like some of Biden's energy policies in Alaskar

628
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: are not so great, So like they're gonna like allowed

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Speaker 1: drilling so that near fucking Tannon can be director, Like, Like,

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Speaker 1: what is the point speaking speaking of like fucking drilling

631
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Speaker 1: for oil near a Tandon who suggested we take half

632
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: of Libya's oil as payment. It's just it's because she's

633
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: their buddy and this is good for her career. I know,

634
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: and I hated. It's so frustrating, um to see this happen,

635
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: because this is and it's not even like even if

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Speaker 1: you think like it's not possible, what are the optics

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Speaker 1: of this of like doing these deals and talking to

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Speaker 1: centers making calls. No one's called Joe Mansion about the

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Speaker 1: minimum wage. Uh, they've they're talking about this near a

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Speaker 1: Tandon confirmation. What does that look like to anybody who

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Speaker 1: pay who's paying attention? Does it look like something that matters? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just very frustrating. There's more about the minimum wage.

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Speaker 1: We can talk, we can talk day about it. It's

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Speaker 1: just um challenge accepted. Yeah, it's just very very maddening

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Speaker 1: and frustrating to see um co. Do you mentioned a

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Speaker 1: little bit about vaccine stuff too and your start Do

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about that? I did? I mean

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Speaker 1: that's uh, Joseph Robin and Biden Jr. The President of

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Speaker 1: the United States of America, UM vine um has said

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Speaker 1: that there will be uh enough vaccines for three million

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Speaker 1: Americans by May, which is a couple of months before

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Speaker 1: originally projected. Um, so that's that's good. Um. He seems

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Speaker 1: to be the kind of guys like, let's just spend

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Speaker 1: some money on the vaccin, let's get all the vaccines.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Um. It does seem like, broadly speaking, that's

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Speaker 1: the thing that they've been more competent on than the

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Speaker 1: last one was. Yeah, they're just like basic, basic ship

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Speaker 1: like that, like, Okay, that's good. That's not good. Not

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Speaker 1: gonna go further than that because um yeah, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that this, uh, this minimum wage fight won't

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Speaker 1: continue or that uh, it's not something they do not

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Speaker 1: care about. UM. Some people obviously very much do. UM.

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Speaker 1: So I would hope that they actually take this fight

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Speaker 1: later on. It's just the steps they've taken so far

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Speaker 1: make it pretty clear that they do not care. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and they're putting their energy, uh, they're fighting energy um elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: which seems I don't know, silly to me. Maybe we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't pay get Libya to pay us uh, in half

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Speaker 1: their oil. Like Donald Trump also suggested finally unity between

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Speaker 1: left and right in fucking over a country that has

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Speaker 1: been nothing but fucked over by the West. We love it.

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Speaker 1: We had to take a quick break. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: perhaps if you want, if you want to, Katie, what

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Speaker 1: do you think? So? Yeah, yeah, yeah, together, everything back.

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Speaker 1: Oh we're back back. Everything. It's great. Yeah. I like

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Speaker 1: it because it's good. No, I like it because it's good.

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Speaker 1: You're right, you like it because it's good. Robert, I

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Speaker 1: think you're up. Oh, did we want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the thing that we just got news on right? So,

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Speaker 1: by the way, yeah, and including the sorry walking down

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Speaker 1: the streets of Coppell, Texas after a run and uh

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Speaker 1: got the news that the governor has declared the entire

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Speaker 1: state is opened back up. This comes the same day

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Speaker 1: as news that all of the strains, all of the

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Speaker 1: recognized strains of the coronavirus are now present in Houston.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, and I'm sorry. I feel

687
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Speaker 1: so bad for everybody living in states like this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: not that things are great in California, but at very

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Speaker 1: least I I take comfort in the fact that people

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Speaker 1: are have to wear a mask inside, and people weren't

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Speaker 1: a lot Like I went to a restaurant to sit

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Speaker 1: outside when there was no one else outside and eat

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Speaker 1: uh and everyone inside was mask off drinking. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not like Texans have been abiding by the rules anyway. Um,

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Speaker 1: I I understand. Um, there's a part of me that's

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Speaker 1: just kind of proud of Governor Greg Abbott because between

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Speaker 1: the ice storm, in which his mismanagement in Texas is

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Speaker 1: general shitty attitude towards taking care of each other, got

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people killed, he went a whole week

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Speaker 1: without getting more people killed before opening the state back

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Speaker 1: up and getting a bunch at Breather Robert Our proud boy.

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Speaker 1: It's like that time John Wayne Gacy went a whole

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Speaker 1: six months between murdering a boy and storing his corpse

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Speaker 1: in the floorboards of his house. You know, we were

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Speaker 1: all proud of John Wayne for that. What's John Wayning?

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Speaker 1: Mike Gazzes, So, um, you sent me this article that

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Speaker 1: it makes me want to light the world on fire

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Speaker 1: and kill absolutely everyone inside it uh from Crooked Media

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Speaker 1: near a Tan dinner bust. That's the headline. That is

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Speaker 1: the article. I title of your sex. Yeah, I or bust.

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Speaker 1: Oh it was right there to Brooklyn nine nine did

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Speaker 1: it first? Oh? Man, this on the Texas News together

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Speaker 1: makes me just want to cancel everything, cancel the world

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Speaker 1: with some sort of robot that eats everything. You know, Katie,

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Speaker 1: why book and you're not No, you're not canceled. You're

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Speaker 1: re green lit, double double green lit, Robert as you were.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to wrap my head around the argument

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Speaker 1: in this, which seems to be that because the Republicans

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Speaker 1: aren't recognizing that Biden one and they're unfairly fighting him

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Speaker 1: getting to put the people in the administration, than the

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Speaker 1: Democrats have to fight, uh, like crazy for near a

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Speaker 1: tandon because otherwise you're you're yielding to the unreasonable Republicans,

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Speaker 1: which is taking what's fascinating about the argument that this

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Speaker 1: terrible article is making. They're taking a very valid point,

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Speaker 1: which is that what the Republicans have been doing for

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Speaker 1: years now was anti democratic. Um, it's dangerous and it

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Speaker 1: needs to be strenuously opposed because they need to face

728
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Speaker 1: serious consequences in electoral destruction for doing the things that

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Speaker 1: they're doing. But they're taking that very reasonable argument and

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Speaker 1: instead of being like, yeah, so we have to fight

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Speaker 1: like like hell to get people their checks and to

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Speaker 1: get the aid that they need into election change, election reform,

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Speaker 1: climate change legislation, things that lives are at stake. That

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Speaker 1: civilis that we have to fight like hell for that

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Speaker 1: because they don't get to say no to that ship.

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Speaker 1: Instead they're saying they're making that argument, but instead of

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Speaker 1: improving life for the human race, that they're saying, we

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Speaker 1: need to make near A Tandon have a job. It's lunacy.

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Speaker 1: It's wild, it's it's an absolute madness. Is the hill

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Speaker 1: you want to die on? It's like the hill, it's

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Speaker 1: like a little it's like a mound of it's a

742
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Speaker 1: it's so ridiculous on its face, it's like this weird

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Speaker 1: like posters rights bullshit, because it's amazing. I don't even

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Speaker 1: hate near A Tand and I don't like her. I

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Speaker 1: just don't. I don't. I don't. I've never thought about

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Speaker 1: her until this moment. So it's just shocking to me

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Speaker 1: that they're like, this is where our administration will live

748
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Speaker 1: or die. Somebody. The most most voter don't know who

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Speaker 1: the fuck that is. Most voters could tell you what

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Speaker 1: the minimum wages though it's check from you yea a

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Speaker 1: catchphrase from even more News and say I agree with

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Speaker 1: you completely completely. Um, did you want to talk about Syria? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've got There's always time to talk about Syria, Cody.

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Speaker 1: It feels it feels like address this. Historically there's almost

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Speaker 1: never any time to talk about Syria. This has been

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Speaker 1: some of the most frustrated I've been in a while. Um,

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Speaker 1: And I guess my feelings on this are complex. Um.

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Speaker 1: It is good that a lot more Americans than I'm

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00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: used to seeing are angry when the government carries out

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Speaker 1: a missile strike on a Middle Eastern nation that the

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Speaker 1: president decides on unilaterally, in a place where we are

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Speaker 1: not in a cleared war. Um, because people should be

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Speaker 1: more critical about that sort of thing. The discourse I've

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00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: seen surrounding the serious strike as dumb as hell. And

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Speaker 1: I will go through a list of the things that

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Speaker 1: I think are dumb as hell. Number one calling it

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Speaker 1: a war crime. It is an arguably, and I think

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Speaker 1: this is the argument I would make illegal based on

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Speaker 1: the letter of like the Constitution prior to the way

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Speaker 1: things change after nine eleven, for the fucking president to

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Speaker 1: just be able to carry out military force anywhere he

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Speaker 1: wants without an Act of Congress, like declaring a war.

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Speaker 1: That part I agree if if I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 1: a law knower, I think it should be illegal to

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Speaker 1: do that, right, I mean it sounds like a specific

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Speaker 1: the well, it's a rule that every president has been

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Speaker 1: breaking since nine eleven. UM and I don't like that,

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Speaker 1: and that's bad. But the actual attack itself was not

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Speaker 1: a war crime. It was not strike. It was not

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Speaker 1: what we were doing. It was not what I watched

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Speaker 1: with my own eyes happen in Mosel. It was a

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Speaker 1: series of infrastructure attacks on a militia itself is backed

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Speaker 1: by a foreign government that is an imperialist power in

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Speaker 1: the region. It's a ship fight between two imperialist powers,

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Speaker 1: and Biden chose to strike some of their infrastructure. UM

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Speaker 1: And I have not seen any evidence at this moment

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Speaker 1: that suggests there were even civilian casualties. Um. The strike

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Speaker 1: was on a group called kasbah Um, which is a

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Speaker 1: Shiite militia. These are some of the same guys that

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Speaker 1: we were funding back in two thousand seventeen, right, the PMF. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's always the case, right, we fund, we fund them

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Speaker 1: until we bomb them. It's it's a little more. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: that is the thing that happens repeatedly in US history,

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Speaker 1: the the basic So do you remember hearing about a

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Speaker 1: thing called a place called Solder City and Baghdad during

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Speaker 1: the height of the Iraq War. You remember that that

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Speaker 1: that buzz buzz i. Remember I don't have any information

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Speaker 1: to speaking muctodd All Sodder is a Shia cleric UM

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Speaker 1: who's got strong ties to the Iranian government and is

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Speaker 1: a dude um who is influential in in Baghdad in particular,

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Speaker 1: and is a very very smart dude. Like he's a

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Speaker 1: he's a fundamentally terrible person um, but he's kind of

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Speaker 1: a genius UH insurgent organizer UM. And he and his

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Speaker 1: forces were a big part of the insurgency against the

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Speaker 1: United States. And the fact that he he was like

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Speaker 1: this we talk like tis in five six He was

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Speaker 1: a major part of the insurgency against the U. S.

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Speaker 1: And he is still alive and one of the most

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Speaker 1: influential men in Iraq um, which is hard. Right, He's

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Speaker 1: a smart dude UM. And this is because the Iranian

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Speaker 1: government has a significant vested interest in Iraqi politics, right

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Speaker 1: Iraq and and and Iran fought a massive, horrific war

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Speaker 1: throughout the nineteen eighties that killed like a combined million people. Um,

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Speaker 1: the Iranian government wants to have a significant amount of

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Speaker 1: influence in Iraq, which is not an inherently unreasonable thing

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Speaker 1: their neighbors, but also the Iranian government is a bad

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Speaker 1: government and also does terrible things. And a big part

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Speaker 1: of why Mosal fell to Isis is because the the

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Speaker 1: Shia dominated and thus Iranian dominated government UM that took

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Speaker 1: over and was running Iraq for a sizeable chunk of

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Speaker 1: the mid auts UM was responsible for a lot of

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Speaker 1: horrific crimes against the the the um UM the Sunnies

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Speaker 1: which and Mosul is a Sunni dominated city and so

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Speaker 1: like the police and the military forces that were kind

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Speaker 1: of were that were doing ship like abducting people in

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Speaker 1: the night, torturing them, murdering them um who were who

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Speaker 1: were Sunny. And so when Isis, which is a Sunni organization,

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Speaker 1: came in and took over the city, they saw a

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Speaker 1: lot of initial support from the population of Mosul. And

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Speaker 1: I talked to a bunch of people in Mosul who

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Speaker 1: were like, well, I never liked Isis particularly, but I

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Speaker 1: fucking hated the cops right, and so like this this

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Speaker 1: this history goes back awhile when the Iraqi government, with

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Speaker 1: you know, the Kurds up in the north and with

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Speaker 1: US backing, was taking back Mosel from isis Um. These

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Speaker 1: different Shia militias that had been organized and prominent for

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Speaker 1: a long time were part of the effort to take

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Speaker 1: back Mosele. They were called the PMF, the Popular Mobilization Forces,

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Speaker 1: and we both aided, like funded them to an extent

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Speaker 1: and also allowed other groups that were opposed to them

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Speaker 1: in Iraq to like use US to carry out air

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Speaker 1: strikes against them. It was a very messy situation, like

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Speaker 1: like when I was in Mosel. They were the folks

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Speaker 1: who were almost as worried about as as Isis because

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Speaker 1: they're they're not, you know, they're sketchy people. Although also

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Speaker 1: the Iraqi military itself can carry out a shipload of

847
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: war crimes as of the U S military, nobody's fucking

848
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: hands are clean. Period. In recent couple of last couple

849
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: of years, as Iranian influence has grown over the Iraqi government,

850
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: these different militias have been abducting and murdering a lot

851
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: of people, including a guy I used to know who

852
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: who's like thing was throwing parties, right because like there

853
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: would be alcohol at the parties, there would be a

854
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: lot of foreigners. Like they abducted and killed this guy,

855
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: probably killed this guy. They we know he's he's gone,

856
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 1: you know. Um, this sort of thing happened all over

857
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: the place, and it the the These militias were a

858
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: big part of both, like that siege of a U

859
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: or attack on a US embassy that happened last year

860
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: that kind of like incided the killing of Solomoni. But

861
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: also if you remember in twenty nineteen when there were

862
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: all those protests in Iraq and like protesters who were

863
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: getting their heads grenaded to death and ship they were

864
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: heavily involved in that, and so is Iran. These are

865
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: bad people who carry out horrible terrorist attacks that have

866
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: killed a lot of Iraqis because they are fundamentally not

867
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: fighting for the rights of Iraqi people or for for

868
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: any sort of political liberty as much as they're fighting

869
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: on behalf of another foreign power. Now, the United States

870
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: in striking these facilities is not improving the situation. I

871
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: don't believe you'll read some arguments. I found an article

872
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: arguing that this was a good call in New Lines magazine.

873
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. I think it was a useless,

874
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: uh expansion of or a useless use of force that

875
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: at most is going to continue this cycle of violence.

876
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: Right now we've done an attack, they're going to do

877
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: another if it's the attack that inspired the attack, our attack, right, Like,

878
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: I'm not in favor of what the Biden administration does.

879
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: But also if you're going to critique it, understand what

880
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: it fucking is, you know that. I'm just always frustrated

881
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: about all this ship. I mean, what, what is the

882
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: actual justification here for it? They call it a proportional response,

883
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: but is that you know, like, and was this necessary?

884
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: Right now? What's was it? Was it necessary? No? Because

885
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's necessary because I don't think

886
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: it will help. Was it proportional? I guess that depends.

887
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: There was a horrific attack on a facility outside of

888
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: her bill that killed a m that killed a contractor

889
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: US contractor, and wounded a bunch of people. Um, I

890
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: don't know exactly. We don't have an exact death count

891
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: for this air strike. I don't know when we will

892
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: because one of the things, I mean, for one, thing.

893
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: The Trump administration removed a rule that mandated reporting on

894
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: the number of people killed in US air strikes, and

895
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: the Biden administration has no desire to put that back

896
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: Russian back to they're not we're that thing. I don't know, maybe,

897
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't think the question of is

898
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: it proportional matters as much as like, is there any

899
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: chance that it will improve life for people in the region?

900
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: And no, I don't. Never, that's never, that's never going

901
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: to be the case. And like how many like it's like,

902
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: this is like a proportional response, but there's attack here

903
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: and here, get out leieve how many how many? How

904
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: many American military bases are not here? Um, just leave

905
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: and you don't have to worry about that. Um, you

906
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: want to worry about what's the proportional response to an

907
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: attack on on a place that shouldn't be there. We

908
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: shouldn't be there. And yeah, it's just some of the

909
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: some of the discourse around it is very frustrating too,

910
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: because it's just like, uh, it's not just saying that like, uh,

911
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: it's more complex. It's also saying it's it's good and

912
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing that he should be

913
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: doing um and I trust him to do whatever. Basically, yeah, no, no,

914
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: I And it's just you know, you know, like yeah,

915
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: bombing series good now, I guess it's so let's it's like,

916
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: it's just you know, I I am not and this

917
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: is the place in which I get into fights with

918
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: a lot of folks on the left. I am not

919
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: comprehensively anti intervention. Part of that not intervention, but anti

920
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: US forces being used in certain situations, generally where we

921
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: have fucked something up and we have promises to people

922
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: that need to be kept. And to that extent, if

923
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: the bulk of Iraq, which is about you know it's

924
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: the Shia, are the largest single chunk of Iraq, if

925
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: the people of Iraq want to be more closely tied

926
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: to Iran and want to you know, want to live

927
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: in the kind of country that the members of these

928
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: militias seem to want them to live in the country,

929
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: and I don't know that that's the case, but if

930
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: that's if that's the way things go for the rest

931
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: of Iraq, I don't think US force, as a US

932
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: foreign policy has any role in stopping that. Now, if

933
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: those forces attempt to, I don't know, force their will

934
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: on the Kurdish north of the country. I think we

935
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 1: owe those people something, And I don't think it needs

936
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: to be bombing anything, but I think it needs to

937
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: be saying like, hey, let like maybe it's time for

938
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: them to get their own fucking country, right, um, as

939
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: they voted to have last year or not last year,

940
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: like three years ago. And the United States has been

941
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: consistently a dick about even though like, come on, what

942
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: the what the funck? Well? Yeah, and at what point

943
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: is it is it just like what is our place?

944
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: What is it like? How is that? How is any

945
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: of this our place? I think there's a degree to

946
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: which we have made promises to specific groups of people

947
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: who held up their end of the bargain, and we

948
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: should we owe them something. That does not mean we

949
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: owe being in Iraq forever. It doesn't mean we owe

950
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: air strikes in against Iranian backed lishes in Syria, doesn't

951
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: mean that. It means that there is some level of

952
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: support we owe specific groups of people who have done things,

953
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: I mean, because otherwise they'll get murdered. Me we've contributed

954
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: to you have a moral obligation to take care of

955
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: a certain certain people, you know, And and yes, but yeah,

956
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: it's more often than not the the right. That's that's what.

957
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: That's what you say when you want to stay there,

958
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: when you want to uh, well, well in order to

959
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: like pay these people back or to help these people,

960
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: were going to bomb these people. It's never um and

961
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't anything other than that. I don't see that

962
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: the bombing ever, well, you know, my example of what

963
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: I think this can look like in a way that

964
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: is not horrifically toxic is we we were keeping we

965
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: were helping to keep a sizeable chunk of northeast Syria

966
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: from getting bombed by having like a couple of dozen

967
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: Special Forces guy is intense because then the Turks wouldn't

968
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: start fucking ship up. And since we pulled those guys

969
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: out and have them just protecting oil fields, a quarter

970
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: of a million people have been forced out of their

971
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: homes and thousands have been killed in the The oil

972
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: fields are fine, and and and in terms of what

973
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: am I broadly speaking not going to complain about my

974
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: tax schollars dollars going to well, keeping some guys in

975
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: a tent so that bombs aren't falling, that's fine. I

976
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: am in a bitch about my tax scholars going to

977
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: bombing another militia somewhere in the desert. That will just

978
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: spark a series of Like it's I think when you

979
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: talk about what do we owe people that we've made

980
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: promises too, and and and what does that extend to?

981
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: I think some of it extend. I think some of

982
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: it relies on whether or not they have succeeded in

983
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: doing anything that can be supported. So in I I

984
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: don't support keeping any US forces in Afghanistan because the

985
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: government like there, there's there's nothing to support there. The

986
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: Taliban has won. All we're doing is extending pointless bloodshed

987
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: by staying there, and we're not going to help anything.

988
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: Northern Iraq is a broadly more so than is more

989
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: functional than the than the rest of the country, than

990
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: the government in Baghdad, and I think we owe them

991
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: at least enough support to say, hey, don't funk with

992
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: these people there are like like, I don't think it.

993
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: You don't have to bomb anybody over this. You just

994
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: have to say no, you can't do that. Government in Baghdad, Um,

995
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: we do have to bomb. That's the thing talk about.

996
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: But where's Yeah, I like, that's just that's just what

997
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: it always leads to um, it's it's not the like

998
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: we we have stepped in between the government and Baghdad

999
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: and the government and their bill in a couple of

1000
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: situations in the past. And I don't know. I mean,

1001
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm also dumb as shit. I think there's an option.

1002
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: I think there's an option between just saying like, well,

1003
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: we fucked everything up and we're not going to keep

1004
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: sucking things up. Um, so let's is to band and everyone,

1005
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: and an option of like, well, the only way to

1006
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: continue having an impact here is to bomb people. I

1007
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: don't think those are our only two options, um, because

1008
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: we have we have poll in terms of trade, we

1009
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: have poll in terms of UM economic aid dollars, funding dollars,

1010
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: we have that we we were not bombing Turkey to

1011
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: stop them from coming into northeast Syria. Right. Turkey is

1012
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: reliant upon us in a lot of ways, and so

1013
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: while we were keeping troops there, they weren't going to

1014
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: start ship. We didn't have to bomb them over that. UM.

1015
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's I don't think like

1016
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: I don't like any of these options. But I do

1017
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: also think there are specific people, namely the Kurds, that

1018
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: we owe something right, um, because they did the thing

1019
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: that we asked. Uh, and I I just have an

1020
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: issue with abandoning them entirely. Um. But I don't know.

1021
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: Whatever happens is going to be dumb in a effective

1022
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: So I guess I will I will. I will continue

1023
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: to oppose it because it's dumb and ineffective. Um. I'm

1024
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: not saying I'm in any way supportive of what Biden

1025
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: just did in Syria, or will be supportive of any

1026
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: of his foreign policy in Syria or a rat because

1027
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: I doubt that I will to the machine is not

1028
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: going to stop, and so I will continue to oppose

1029
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: the machine. I just think there's a way in which

1030
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: we could not abandon people who have broadly speaking, done

1031
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: us a solid and also maintained a decent place for

1032
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: people in that region to live comparatively to people in

1033
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: other parts. I think there's called the American way, Robert,

1034
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: all Right, we get the thing we want and then

1035
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: we say no, thank you for whatever else you need.

1036
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just called friendship. It's called bad friendship. Yeah,

1037
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: we're I don't know, you know that toxic friend you

1038
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: can't shake. That's America. Yeah, it's this. It's this thing

1039
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: that is always frustrating to I just don't I'm not

1040
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: willing to go to the I'm not willing to say

1041
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: there's no way in which I've met too many people

1042
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: who have been like, well, my family all got murdered.

1043
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: I sure wish someone had helped us out. Uh. And

1044
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, well, yeah, there's nothing anyone

1045
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: could have done to save your family's life. UM, because

1046
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: I do think that things could be done, because things

1047
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: have been done at specific points in the past that

1048
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: have mitigated historic tragedies. UM. Which doesn't mean that I

1049
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: think it's likely that the right thing will be done,

1050
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: or that Joe Biden knows how to do it, or

1051
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: that a military industrial complex that's geared entirely towards profit

1052
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: is ever going to make the right decision based on

1053
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: people's lives. UM. I just get frustrated with the idea

1054
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: that like, well, people's lives are not actually the thing

1055
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden or the American government are worried about.

1056
01:02:53,640 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: Over there, Boy, we've we've really covered a why range

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Speaker 1: run on a journey near a tandon or bust. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was good to it home days for that. I

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Speaker 1: wrote it down months ago. I got a tattooed on

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Speaker 1: your inner arms. Now I gotta get it removed. But

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Speaker 1: it's fine worth it. Put some sharp on it. Yeah. Alright, guys,

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