1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Guys, I want to tell you I am so excited 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: and so blessed. Something wonderful is happening. A lot of 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: you have asked when will you be back on TV, 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: and I've wondered the same thing. Well it's happening. It's 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: this Thursday night, premiering on A and E. Grace Versus Abrams, 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: my sparring buddy Dan Abrams and I take on the 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: biggest cases and investigations that our country has ever seen. 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Thursday night, March nine, eleven pm. Please join us again. 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: I am so blessed, and you've been with me for 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: all these years. Please join me on A and E 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: March eleven pm. Thanks friend. Clime Stories with Nancy Grace 12 00:00:54,760 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: on Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. Text. Mcgiver 13 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: admits that he shot his wife, Diane as they drove 14 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: near Piedmont Park. He was accused of murdering his wife 15 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: last September as they drove home from their Putnam County ranch. 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: He says it was a terrible accident when he was 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: sitting in the backseat of his suv holding a pistol. 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: Shift Absolutely was an accident, and perhaps the best proof 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: for that is me, I am dying a little bit 20 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: every day. The longtime friending confident of miss mcgiver, says 21 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: she's certain that Text mcgiver had fallen asleep and was 22 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: asleep while holding his weapon. He had asked Diane for 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: it because he was concerned about them driving down a 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: street where homeless people were hanging out. He says, it 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: went off and shot his wife, Diane in the back. 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: She's beautiful, she's incredibly intelligent. She's one of the most 27 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: successful businesswomen in a huge metropolitan area. And she's dead. 28 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: I Meanancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: being with us. I'm talking about an incredible woman, Diane McIver, 30 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: who an empire regarding limo services, cars, everything to do 31 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: with the livery trade. She's dead now. According to a 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: family best friend, she and her husband and the friend 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: were driving back from their ranch, driving through downtown when suddenly, bam, 34 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: a gun goes off from the back seat, a gun 35 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: being held by her husband, Text McIver that coincidentally shoots 36 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: his wife dead. Trial is happening now and we are 37 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: live in the courtroom joining me probably an investigator Vincent 38 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: Hill on the story. Dr Brian Russell host of investigation 39 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: Discoveries Fatal Vows lawyer and psychologist and Alan Duke reporting 40 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, how did the whole thing get started? Wait? Wait, Vincent, 41 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: listen to the prosecution opening statement. Defendant didn't have a 42 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: pension and our expert was testify that based upon his 43 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: spending habits, it would be depleted in two years after 44 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: he retired. And in addition to that, without the money 45 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 1: from Diana he was receiving every month on the tip 46 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 1: of her death to defend it wouldn't even have one 47 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: of dollars. As a matter of fact, without Diane's money 48 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: on the day that she died, his account would have 49 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: been negative over five thousand dollars. You're gonna hear then 50 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: when she drafted the will in two thousand and sixteen, 51 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: then the ranch would go to the defendant. If she 52 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: foreclosed on the ranch. It was her intent for the 53 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: ranch to go to Austin, and you're gonna be here. 54 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: In the days after Diane was shot and in the 55 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: of fendant goes to talk to two homicide detectives at 56 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: a p D and without any prompting, he tells them 57 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: I like to be in control. And on September two 58 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, Diane was making all of the money. 59 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: Diane owned the two condos in Buckhead. Diane could take 60 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: the ranch, this wrench, according to the witnesses, that was 61 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: his pride and joy, this ranch that he would go 62 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: to every weekend, that he would host parties at, that 63 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: he would go shooting at. Diane could take from him. 64 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: On Diane's death, he went from negative five thousand dollars 65 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: to over one point one million dollars cash instantly, and 66 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: he was the executor. I wanted the beneficiary of Diane's 67 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: seven million dollars state the easiest way for him to 68 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: gain control was to kill Diane m hmm. And on Sunday, 69 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: September twenty, two thousand and sixteen, the evidence was showing 70 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: that that is just what he did. But wait a minute, 71 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: the defense gets an entirely different picture. Listen, there's really 72 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: one thing that you need to know about entire and 73 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: Diana Hire to know that he did not be senial 74 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: and she was like and that is that you love her. 75 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: She loved her, immatly loved her, and she loves that. 76 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: You were going to hear from Moral Businesses that they 77 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: had a relationship that people were in the side that 78 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: they see lad loved birds even atter ten years of marriage. 79 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: That text the lord him that she loved him and 80 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: that they were clearly part of how to the nery 81 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: to echo, and that's why he didn't intentionally she So 82 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: there are some acts that you don't speed in this case, 83 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: actually maybe quiet of you why back. You are not 84 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: going to have to decide is did test intention is 85 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: to test you? Diane? Yes he did. We are not 86 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 1: telling you that the gun was sitting on the seat 87 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: next to him the caccidentally. Well, we are not telling 88 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: you that the gun is malfunctioned. No one is going 89 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: to ask you to decide he was holding the run 90 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: whenever they are it was test. That's not a discuste 91 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: And don't worry about that. The question you have to 92 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: decide wasn't intentional? That every show is decide nothing to stable? 93 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: Was that to you? Will prove that this was not 94 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: an accident. So, Vincent Hill, what's happening in the courtroom, Well, Nancy, 95 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of back and forth between the 96 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: prosecution and the defense. The prosecution says their theory the 97 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: motive was financial. Of course, Diane, like you said, was 98 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: very wealthy. She had built an enormous sum of money 99 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: through her business dealings. Of course, the defense wait a minute, 100 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: backing up, backing up, let's talk about her business dealings. 101 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: And don't you know, I know she had a lot 102 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: of money, Vincent Hill, because she hadn't been cold in 103 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: the ground over what a month before husband had a 104 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: quote estate sale a garage Hill. Basically, anybody in the 105 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: whole city, in the metropolitan area could pick through her belongings. 106 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: Didn't take long for that, and it was a whole 107 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: like a warehouse full of designer clothes, shoes, handbags, furs, 108 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: gorgeous jewelry, to the tune of a couple of million 109 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: dollars worth of duds. He put that stuff on the 110 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: market pronto. You know what. You know what, Vincent Hill, 111 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: I hold on to my fiancee's a few little belongings 112 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: that I had of his since he was murdered, and 113 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: and I just don't think I could part with them. 114 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: And I carry with me at all times my dad's 115 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: handkerchief I since he passed away. You know what, you'd 116 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: have to fight me tooth and nail to get ahold 117 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: of those things. But apparently text mccoyvor did not feel 118 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: the same way. As a matter of fact, is it true, 119 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, that within a few days after his wife 120 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: dead from a gunshot wound from his gun, another woman 121 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: is wearing her boots, her favorite boots, Jackie, you see 122 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: my boots. If my husband gives these boots somebody else 123 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: call the police. Well, is that true or is that 124 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: just a rumor? Nancy? That is true? That did come 125 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: up in court this past Friday. Lady named Annie Anderson 126 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: who is in Massus, who is known to both Text 127 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: and I White white, white of what that's how the 128 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: prosecution payment her. Annie the Massus she's a massa's therapist 129 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: licensed in the state of Georgia, and she was friends 130 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: with both Text and Diane. There was a witness, James Grover, 131 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: who's a friend of Diane, who saw Andy at the 132 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: ranch about a week later wearing those boots, and he 133 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: testified that he Mr Grover actually purchased those boots for Diane, 134 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: so he knew those were their boots. Waite, Vincent plays, 135 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: just slow down, slow down, I'm drinking from a fire 136 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: hydrant here, too much, too fast? Tell me about her 137 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: favorite boots. Okay, we are talking about Diane mc ivor, 138 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: who built this business empire with her own two hands, 139 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: the husband that owed her what I don't know, three 140 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: d and half a million, three hundred thousand and half 141 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: a million dollars. She's dead and the masseuse is wearing 142 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: her boots. Now slow down and tell me the whole thing. 143 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: So MS Grover, who purchased the boots, said he was 144 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: at a cracker barrel one day he saw these rain boots. 145 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: Did you just say crackle barrel? It's crack or barrel, 146 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: cracker barrel restaurant. And Uh, he saw these rain boots 147 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: that he knew Diane would love. He purchased those, I think, 148 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: he said, as a Christmas gift, and he gave those 149 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: to Diane. Diane said she would keep those at the ranch. Uh. 150 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: And again this is the spot where he saw any 151 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: Anderson wearing these boots that he had given to Diane 152 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: about two years prior to her death. Dr Brian Russell, 153 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: have you ever been in a cracker barrel? I never had. 154 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: I had a funny feeling you were going to say that, Um, 155 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: a cracker barrel is um Southern cooking. It's vegetables, meat, chicken, fish, 156 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: to go with your veggies, and to get to the food, 157 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: you have to walk through a gift shop. And I'm 158 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: betting your money these they're very unique items. And uh, 159 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: I guarantee these boots or not just your regular green galoshes. 160 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: I guarantee you and I don't have to see them. 161 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: That they had something funny written on them, that they 162 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: had faces on them, they had some bizarre thing to 163 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: them to become her favorites. And the Masseus, the female Masseus, 164 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: was wearing them the next week. Now, I'm sure the 165 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: defense will argue that has nothing to do with anything, 166 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: but tell me the reaction of the women on the 167 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: jury and in the courtroom, Vincent Hill, when it came 168 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: out the Masseuse was wearing her boots in about two 169 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: or three days. Oh my gosh, Nancy, I I was, 170 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, stoked, eyebought stoked on the jury and all 171 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: of the females their eyes perked up and they had 172 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: the oh no, he didn't look on their face, and 173 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: they set up in their chair and they started writing 174 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: notes and it didn't look too good for the the defense. 175 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: But the defense did come back during cross examination and say, hey, 176 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: we don't know if Diane said Annie of them Massius 177 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: who was a friend to Diane, to where those boots 178 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: are in the event of her death, that she could 179 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: have those boots. But it was that look on the front. Well, 180 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: I can't believe the defense even bother to even go 181 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: there and bring it up in the difference in the 182 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: jury's mind. Again, about the boots, it's the last thing 183 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. Who I'm gonna give my cowboy boots too. 184 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: I can tell you that right now I plan to 185 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: wear them. I'm not making any provisions for my favorite 186 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: boots other than I'm going to wear them and get 187 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: them resold now. Dr Brian Russell hosts of investigation Discoveries 188 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: Fatal Vows. You're also a lawyer and a psychologist. I 189 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: guess you think that means nothing right there. It would 190 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: be a cold day in h E Double l before 191 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: this woman gave away your boots. Well, so here's the thing. 192 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: A lot of times people ask us, and in episode 193 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: after episode we talk about people's behavior after their spouse 194 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: has passed away, and and all of our episodes are 195 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: about murders, So after that spouse has been murdered and 196 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: and we talk about the fact that you know, there's 197 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: behavior that is clearly indicative of some kind of wrongdoing, 198 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: and then there's behavior that just is uh. It raises 199 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: the hair on the back of your neck. And you 200 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: made a good point earlier in the show where you 201 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: talked about the fact that people who you really have loved, 202 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: who have passed away and left things with you, you 203 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: cherish those things and and it would be very hard 204 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: for you to part with those things. And so that's 205 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of what we expect of a spouse whose spouse 206 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: passes away, and the surviving spouses really torn up about it. 207 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: And so when we see a spouse, you know, easily 208 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: passing out the things of the deceased spouse, it's, uh, 209 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: it's a little weird. Now that said, you know, this 210 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: woman apparently had lots and lots and lots of things, 211 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: So you know, was he supposed to keep all the 212 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: things the rest of his life? Probably not, But this 213 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: is concerning because it's pretty quick. You're also I was 214 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: just gonna say, no, I don't expect him to keep 215 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: a warehouse full of clothes, But within the first few 216 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: days of losing your soul mate, I don't believe I'd 217 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: be concerned with giving away her boots. You know what 218 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: hold on? I want you to take a Listen to 219 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: what the husband text McIver said. Hey looked up and 220 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: didn't look at me, but looked past me and said, 221 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: I don't trust these guys. Danny Joe. I hate to 222 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: see you get wrapped up in this. I've seen how 223 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: these things can go down. Yes, yes, what do you say? 224 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: I don't trust these guys, Danny Joe. I hate to 225 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: see you get wrapped up in this. Did you say 226 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: what you no? What's the next thing? He said, I've 227 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: seen how these things can go down. You just need 228 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: to um, You just need to say you came down 229 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: here as a friend of the family. Who did you say. 230 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: I leaned down and I said, text, I just drove 231 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: you into the emergency room. See it one more time. 232 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: You drifted off a little bit, Okay. I leaned down 233 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: and said, tex I just drove you into the emergency room. 234 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: And why did you tell him that? Well, because if 235 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: I just drove down there as a friend of the family, 236 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: there was no other reason. There was no reason for 237 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: me to be down at Emory Hospital in Decatur, where 238 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: I never go with no car. At ten o'clock on 239 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: a Sunday night, you know, fifteen minutes after his wife 240 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: had been shot. How was I supposed to explain that 241 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: mm and something to this classes that He looked at 242 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: me and he says, well, they don't know that. Well, 243 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: let that took my breath away. It took your breath 244 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: away when he said that, Yes, okay? And so then 245 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: what did you say back to him? I said, I 246 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: can't lie. And then what happened? He said, Oh, I'm 247 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: not asking you to do that. That was Danny Joe Carter, 248 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: Diane mccoiver's very best friend and the lone witness to 249 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: the shooting, and she was claiming that the husband text 250 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: McCarver asked her with him just hours after shooting his 251 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: wife dead to tell police she wasn't even in the 252 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: car when it all went down. Now, listen to what 253 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: the defense attorney did on cross. The context here is 254 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: I hate to see you get wrapped up in this, stady, Joe. Right, Yes, 255 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: you're already wrapped up in it. You're already driving the 256 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: car in correct, Yes, you're already un surveillance correct. Um, 257 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: you're already have handed the valet the keys. One you've 258 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: handed the folks at Emory Diane's information and identification. Correct, 259 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: you have gone back out to the vallet to get 260 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: the phone and come back in. Correct? And um, then 261 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: he see the I hate to get you involved in this, Danny, Joe. 262 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: Just tell him you're here as a family friend, just 263 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: because the Martians would have come down and driven the 264 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: car in, you know, Um, wouldn't that just the dumbest 265 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: thing you've ever heard? Of course, it didn't make sense. 266 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: There's no question. There's no question the text mac ivor 267 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: who's the person who shot his wife? Right? That's what 268 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: I mean. There was no question about that. Nobody was 269 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: denying that. It wasn't correct. It wasn't a mystery. Correct, 270 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: you drove the car in on video and we're they're 271 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: giving information to video and any people that I and 272 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: all that. It was just stupid London. That's fine text. 273 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: I'm just driving into me, right and and and you 274 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: know that was it. And he said, I'm not telling 275 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: you to lie, right. He didn't say that, Okay, but 276 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: he said that afterwards, didn't he sure? And he said, 277 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm not telling you to do that, you know, to 278 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: private invest to get her. Vincent Hill the one thing 279 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: you don't want to do is when it's harmful testimony, 280 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: unless you're explaining it, you know, explaining it away, you 281 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: don't keep bringing it up. But that's exactly what Bruce 282 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: Harvey did. He brought it up again that he wanted 283 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: Testamentiver wanted Danny to lie about being in the car. Vincent, 284 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: what's the scenario? Just give me the nuts and bolts 285 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: for those people just joining us. What happened in the 286 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: car the night Diane McIver was shot in the back? 287 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: Pick it up from the ranch in Putnam County into Georgia. Well, 288 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: the story goes that the three Danny, Joe, Carter, Text 289 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: and Diane were out at a restaurant drinking. They're on 290 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: the way back to the condo and Buckhead here in Atlanta, Georgia, 291 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: And it was an expensive one to just putting it on, 292 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: putting it out there, not judge, go ahead. There was 293 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: some type of traffic on on the highway, which is standable. 294 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: It is Atlanta. They got off and Texas in the 295 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: back seat, see that directly behind Diane Danny Joe was driving. 296 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: They're in supposedly a bad neighborhood where there's some protests 297 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: going on black bad neighborhood. You mean Midtown where I 298 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: used to live for years and years and years, not 299 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: far from the courthouse. Well, well, this is Texas testimony. 300 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: His story. You know, one person he thought was breaking 301 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: into his car. There's one person missing from this story 302 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: who can't tell their version. But at any rate, text 303 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: says that he told Diane the passing the gun which 304 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: was wrapped in the plastic with him a gun? Why 305 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: just scared the other day? Why where were we wh 306 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: were were looking for a KFC. Not that I'm encouraging 307 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: the children to eat crazy food, but we're looking for 308 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: a KFC. And um they one of the children said, Mom, 309 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: there's a guy on the corner wearing a two too 310 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: up army boots. And I immediately with the power lock, 311 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: locked the doors, and I went, I really were And 312 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: they're still asking me like the door and I looked 313 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: over and and the guy was dressed in full army 314 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: gear like he was going to storm, something like swat 315 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: gear and a tu tou And I'm he might swarm something, 316 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: but it's not gonna be this minivan. I can tell 317 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: you that much. So why didn't they just lock the 318 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: doors and stop at the red light and keep going. Now, 319 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: so he thinks he's in a dangerous area of town 320 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: where I lived when I was a prosecutor, and what 321 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: there was somebody standing at the corner. How did black 322 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: lives matters get into this? Well, I think there was 323 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: some protests going on in the city that that weekend 324 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: or that day in particular. And you know he also 325 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: brought up to so let me guess, are they aiming 326 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: the black man? Again? I don't think he blamed the 327 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: black man. I mean, it's definitely not a case of 328 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: who'd done it. They did it, But why didn't you 329 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: get the gun? What was he afraid of the red light? 330 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: He said he was nervous and nervous. I thought that. 331 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: I thought at one point it was because they were 332 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: near the homeless shelter, nervous because they were in a 333 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: bad neighborhood and they were Black Lives Matter of protesters, 334 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: and he just felt nervous. And he told day in 335 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: the passing the gun and at some point he got nervous. Okay, 336 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: he got nervous, And Alan Duke, you've been covering it too, 337 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: So I've got a pot pourri of choices about why 338 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: he was nervous one. It was at night. Okay, I 339 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: would not draw a gun because it was at night, 340 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: But that that's him. Then let's say he was in 341 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: a bad part of town. Then he was near a 342 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: homeless shelter, which I would like to point out he 343 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: was not. And then although he may have passed one 344 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: the midtown, the one on Courtland, but that's on Courtland. Yeah, 345 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: and that's not the north. But wait a minute, it's 346 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: not that far if you've been coming down Courtland and 347 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: then blah blah. So it's it's in the vicinity. I'm 348 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: trying to help the man out for a minute. So 349 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: it's not bad area, homeless shelter and black lives matter 350 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: that got thrown in the mix. So he asks the 351 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: friend Danny to pass him the gun. Okay, go ahead. Yeah. Well, 352 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: first of all, I also lived in that area back 353 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 1: when I was a local reporter in Atlanta, and there 354 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: is that homeless shelter there, which, by the way, they're 355 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: now in the process of moving trying to clean up 356 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: the area in gentrify it a little bit. But it's 357 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: a pretty safe area. Actually, I resemble that comment. Yeah, 358 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: you don't have to clean up the it's the area. 359 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: Resent that, But go ahead, when you and I go 360 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: out to lunch in Atlanta, it's usually right in that 361 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: neighborhood right over at Maryex. Yeah, that's right. And I've 362 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: never had a problem with the whole potless shelter. In fact, 363 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: I found a lot of witnesses in that homeless shelter. 364 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: Go ahead, yeah, yeah. So in the interview, the police 365 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: interview mc iver gave days after the death, he came 366 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: up with this scenario of how he was afraid. Plus 367 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: he also had a friend of his, Bill Crane, who 368 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: was his spokesman, give the Atlanta Journal constitution and interview 369 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: in which he purported that it was because he was 370 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: afraid of black lives matter. Well, that really backfired on 371 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: him in public, and in fact, his own lawyers didn't 372 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: like that at all. But let's hear that police interview. 373 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: Then Joe came to a stop and just time to 374 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: wake up. But came to a stop and uh, I 375 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: was handling the gun. He was in my lap. Danny 376 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: Joe Carter, the woman driving, also described hearing a big boom. Listen, 377 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: we were sitting at another intersection and I was sitting 378 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: here with both with both wheels on the stairs, both 379 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: hands on the stairing wheel, and when he asked her 380 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: to pass in the gun, she opened the console and 381 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: I looked. I looked in there, and I didn't see it. 382 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: And can you explain to the jurors why didn't you 383 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: see it? He was in a plastic bag. She looked 384 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: in there, and as she was looking, Tech said, it's 385 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: in the bag. And so she just reached over and 386 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: got it. And I'm sitting here with both of my 387 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: hands on and shut the console and handed it to him. Okay, 388 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: And so either at the intersection of Piedmont and twelve 389 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: or Piedmont and fourteen, can you tell the jurors where 390 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: you actually stopped at a red line? When her yes, 391 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: can you say to the jurors whether or not, Um, 392 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: you hit up ball? No, we did not. And when 393 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: you were acqule bred like, can you tell the jurors, Um, 394 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: what happened? Well, we were sitting at the light and Um, 395 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: I had both hands on the staring wheel because it's 396 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: a big vehicle, and I was watching the light and 397 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: I hear click, click click, and I looked at Diane 398 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: and asked her what she was doing. She said, I'm 399 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: just making sure, the doors locked, and she said, there, 400 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: like it's locked. And I looked at mine and my 401 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: door lock was up. So I hit the button and 402 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: locked the doors. And I said, no, now they're locked. 403 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: And I think that's the last thing that she said 404 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: before I heard a big boom, and I didn't I 405 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: didn't know what it was. I thought there was an 406 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: explosion somewhere and my but my head turned to the 407 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: right and I looked out the window and wondered where 408 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: there was an explosion, or if somebody behind us was 409 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: getting ready to hit us, or something had happened behind us. 410 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: I did not realize that that it was a gunshot 411 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: right away. It was loud, and so can you tell 412 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: the jurors and what happened next? Diane turned around like 413 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: she turned around this way, she flung around, and she says, text, 414 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: what did you do? Text? What did you do? And 415 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: did you say anything? He said, the gun discharged? And 416 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: so what did you do? When Diana, I haven't turned 417 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: around When she turned around, I turned around and realized seconds. 418 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: This was all happening in seconds, and I saw a 419 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: puppa smoke and I could see his hand, his hands, 420 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: and I could see the top of the gun. I 421 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: could see part of the gun his hands and some 422 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: of the bag, and his hand was moving like this. 423 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: What happened next? I turned back around and sat in 424 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: the seat with my hands on the wheel, look staring 425 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: at the red light. What mental impression did you have 426 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: about what caused the sent the gun? And did you 427 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: say anything? Now? What did you do? Mass? I turned 428 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: around and stared at the red light with both hands 429 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: on the steremol why did you do that? Because I 430 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: wanted to get out of that car. I wanted to 431 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: get home and be out of that car. And why 432 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: did you want to get out of that car? I 433 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: thought there was a bullet hole in the bottom of 434 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: the car because the gun was pointing down from what 435 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: I could see when I looked at it. What did 436 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: you expect I had to do? She? I expected her 437 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: to light into him. And did you no? What happened? 438 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: She turned around and sat straight up. She's only about 439 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: Tinna just talder with me, very straight. She just sat 440 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: there for a second and we were I was still 441 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: waiting for the light to change. Did Mr mcgui was 442 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: saying anything during that time? No? So what happened next? After? 443 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: I had to have a set straight though I could 444 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: see out of the side of my eye, um, the 445 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: way I can see her sitting here. And she leaned 446 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: forward and started doing like this and kind of lean 447 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: yeah like that. What happened? She said, Text, you shot me? 448 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: Never see that. I heard her say that. What happened? Well, 449 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: for a halfpened a little bit, I mean a second, 450 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: less than a second. I thought it was a joke, 451 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: and then I realized it wasn't. And then I knew 452 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: that I had to to get to the nearest emergency room. 453 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: But what happened this? Um, I started um blinking my 454 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: lights and honking my horn to see if I could 455 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: get the guy that was in front of me to move, 456 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: and looking for the emergency blinkers. And I asked Text 457 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: where the closest emergency ring was, And what did you say? 458 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: He said, he said, Emory. We should go to Emory. 459 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: And I said, you're going to have to tell me 460 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: how to go. You know which way to get there 461 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: because I don't know. And so did you look over 462 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: at Dianada did you say anything to her temple with 463 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: sister anything like that? Yes? I looked over at her 464 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: and called her name, I called Diane. Yes, and what 465 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: does she look like? She was breathing? Really she was. 466 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: She was breathing really hard and you know, kind of 467 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: like panicky any time, defense saying what did you do? 468 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: He leaned forward and was holding her head with both 469 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: hands and was saying Diane, Diane to Dr Brian Russell, 470 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: host of Investigation Discoveries Fatal Vowe series, A lawyer and psychologist, 471 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: go ahead and rub it and Dr Brian Russell. Dr Russell, 472 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: nothing can make it look bad more than scheming after 473 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: the fact. Listen to what text mcabor says in his 474 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: own voice. This is a voicemail he leaves behind to 475 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: Danny Joe Carter's husband Tom Carter. Listen, let me just 476 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: be playing days about to send me a Pristan Stories voice. 477 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: Call me a right away. You'll have no idea. The 478 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: problem is problem is innocent, absolutely, lady read so Dr 479 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: Brian Russell. Between asking her to lie and getting to 480 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: her husband to get to a factor testimony, that looks bad, 481 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: but that does not necessarily mean he meant to kill 482 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: his wife. Well yeah, again, it's more of this behavior 483 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: that you have to put yourself in the position for 484 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: a minute of somebody who uh imagine that that you 485 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: genuinely did accidentally kill someone close to you. And so 486 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: after the fact, are you going to be uh sitting 487 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: there thinking up ways to make it look different and 488 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: lie and ask others to lie about it. No, you're 489 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: gonna be uh, You're gonna be freaking out. You're gonna 490 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: be trying to get the person help immediately. You're gonna 491 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: be trying to get everybody who's around to help. You're 492 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: gonna be distraught, maybe even suicidal yourself about the damage 493 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: that you've done. And we're not seeing that here. What 494 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: we're seeing is somebody who is immediately in self preservation mode, 495 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: apparently thinking about how am I going to keep myself 496 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: from having consequences? And right there that that throws a 497 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: huge cloud over any kind of uh oh, it was 498 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: an accident argument back to you, private investigator, Vincent Hill. 499 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: We were right in the middle of you explaining what 500 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: happened before I got off on a tangent about all 501 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: his stories changing. Vincent, I told you this before. I 502 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: had a judge, Judge Albertson, that would tell the jury 503 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: every jury trial, it's your duty to make all witnesses 504 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: speak the truth, and in being perjury on no one. 505 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: And what I find significant about that here is, could 506 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: several of his statements co exists truthfully? Did he think 507 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: they were in a bad area of town? Was he 508 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: worried about a homeless shelter? Did he ask for the 509 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: gun for those reasons? I could at all be true. 510 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: Let's get back to your sent scenario. You're in court 511 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: every single day. Vincent. He's driving, He's in the backseat 512 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: of the car. He's sitting behind his wife, Danny Joe 513 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: Carter is driving. The wife is in the front seat. 514 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: They are coming through midtown. Then what happens, Vincent once 515 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: the gunn has passed the text at some point, uh, 516 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: and the story has been conflicting. He was asleep and 517 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: it went off, or and they went over a bump 518 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: and it went off. But at any rate, it went off. 519 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: Diane was struck in the back. According to Danny Joe's testimony, 520 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: she looked back at texts and said, text, you shot me. 521 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: And Danny Joe originally thought it was a joke until 522 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: she saw, you know, Diane, and an immense amount of pain. 523 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: And that's when they started proceeding to Emory. And you 524 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: know what's interesting about Emory is wasn't the closest hospital, 525 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: and it's not a trauma hospital right Emory. He could 526 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: have easily gotten to Grady, which has one of the 527 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: best trauma units in the region. I've been a Grady 528 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: a million times with trauma patients, gunshot, wounds, you name it. 529 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: That was was probably less than a mile maybe two 530 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: miles away, max and a straight shot. So they go 531 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: to Emory, and what happens when they get to Emory Vincent. 532 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: You know, they arrived at Emory, Diane's it's carted off, 533 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, they get treatment. Text I believe had already 534 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: called or began to call his attorney. Actually, Danny Joe 535 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: testified that text told her to get his cell phone 536 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: out of the car, at which time he called his 537 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: attorney to come to the scene. Diane was rushed off 538 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: to emergency surgery and then unfortunately, you know, we know 539 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: the outcome of that. She she didn't recover from that 540 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: gun shot. Well, it's interesting, um that when she first 541 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: got there, she Diane Mcli didn't really seem to know 542 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: what had happened to her. She was sitting in the 543 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 1: front seat of the car of her car, and suddenly 544 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 1: she's shot from behind and she gets rushed to Emory 545 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: Hospital and they go, ma'am, did you shoot stop by accident? 546 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: And she goes, no, my husband shot me. It was 547 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: an accident. She doesn't know what happened in the back seat. 548 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: She's just assuming it was an accident. But then later 549 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: to Alan Duke what happened when she was asked just 550 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: before she died, do you want to see your husband? Well, 551 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: the doctor who was by her deathbed was talking to her. 552 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: He knew that the end was probably near, and he said, 553 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: would you like to see her your husband? And well 554 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: she said no, whoa question? It got lost in the 555 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: Sauce Vincent Hill. So you said, they're coming through midtown 556 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: and all he asked for the gun, then he shoots her. 557 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: Wasn't there something about they went over a bump that 558 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 1: was one story and he had his finger on the 559 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: trigger and he shot by accident. Another was that he 560 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: fell asleep and then woke up, startled and pull the trigger. 561 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: What what what do we know about what caused him 562 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: to pull the trigger? We don't know the answer, and 563 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: your absolute lee right. There's been two versions that they 564 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: went over a bump, a bump and the gun went 565 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: off and The other version was he has some type 566 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: of sleep disorder and he woke up, startled and pulled 567 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: the trigger which cost the shot. Now, what I will 568 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: say me being a let's just say a firearm expert, 569 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: I've been around guns for the last twenty five years 570 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: of my adult life. I'm licensed secure here in the 571 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: state of Georgia. The one thing you never do is 572 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: pass a loaded gun around in a small, confined vehicle. 573 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: That's just something you don't do. Now does that make 574 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: him a killer? Does that show intend that he had 575 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: intend to murder? No, it doesn't, as it proves something 576 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: that was very ignorant. Absolutely it does. That's something you 577 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:47,479 Speaker 1: just don't do. Now. Interesting. Uh. The defendants reputation took 578 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: a beating in court from his wife's business associates and friends. 579 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: I find that very telling. Dr Brian Russell and I 580 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: haven't made up my mind on text mciver's guilty innocence yet. 581 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: But you know, if you asked any of my friends 582 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: about my husband David, they would say I think nothing 583 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 1: but glowing things about him. That's not true. Here, his wife, 584 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,479 Speaker 1: Diane's business associate. She was the one bringing in the money. 585 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 1: Now he's a lawyer and had been in a big 586 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: firm in Atlanta, but he owed her hundreds of thousands 587 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 1: of dollars. And these business associates of hers claim he 588 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: was preoccupied with money in the days right after her death. 589 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: And I'm referring to Jay Grover, now that was her 590 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: business associate at US Enterprise. Just forty eight hours after 591 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 1: the shooting, Grover says he McIver asked if he could 592 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,479 Speaker 1: collect dyanne social Security checks and later that night tells 593 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: Grover how he really wanted to get a seat on 594 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: the board at the tobacco company that would pay him 595 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: six figures. I mean, wasn't Dr Russell, wasn't he going 596 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: to get her whole estate millions of dollars? Well, you 597 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: would assume so. And here again we have behavior that 598 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: is completely inconsistent with somebody who seriously accidentally killed his 599 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 1: wife and is distraught about it. We have what sounds 600 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: like somebody who is trying to profit, not even not 601 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: even you know, trying to round up large assets, trying 602 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: even to round up tiny assets like social Security payments 603 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: within you know, literally hours, a couple of days of 604 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: the death. That's a very unusual. And and after infidelity 605 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: finances are the second, uh you know, biggest reason why 606 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: people end up on fatal vows. Dr Brian Russell hosts 607 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: of I D Investigation Discoveries Fatal Vowel series A big hit. 608 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: You know. I was listening again about what Danny Carter 609 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: said her best friend during her direct testimony. She said, 610 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: mca ivor, the husband, direct to her to Emory Hospital, 611 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 1: but Diane worse and worse and worse than just kept driving. 612 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: Diane started making noises uh that she had never heard, 613 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: Danny had never heard before, and she was afraid Diane 614 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: was diving, dying, Carter says. Texts kept repeating her name, 615 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: and Carter was running red lights to get to the 616 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: hospital as quickly as possible, and McIver advised her to 617 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: be careful there might be people out there with baby carriages. 618 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: In other words, stop at all the red lights, Vincent Hill, 619 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: do I is that right? Yeah, that's absolutely right, Nancy. 620 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: And it went back to the facial expressions of the jury. 621 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: When that testimony was going on. It was hard for 622 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: people to believe that if your wife, your spouse, you're 623 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: sing to get under had just been shot that at 624 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: ten thirty eleven o'clock at night, you'd be worried about 625 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,919 Speaker 1: baby carriages in the streets are traffic for that matter? 626 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: You know, it played a huge role and injury's mindset 627 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: of why text would say that, Now, Alan, do what 628 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: can you tell me? Of course, every idiot and his 629 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: brother knows your calls are taped at the jail, but 630 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: that didn't stop McIver from talking. Before he got out 631 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: on bond. We hear him talking to a judge who 632 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: the judge tails mckever that he the judge supports McIver 633 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 1: one thousand percent. What what? What? Alan? That doesn't sound right? Well, 634 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: as you know around the Fulton County courthouses that these 635 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: lawyers and judges are their best friends and longtime friends 636 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: and practice law together. So he gets one on the 637 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 1: phone through Alan, every judge hated my guts, but go ahead, 638 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 1: well you're you are exceptional. Thank you. Through a three 639 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: way call, he gets one of the judges on the 640 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: phone and the judge you hear him say you know 641 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,439 Speaker 1: I'm behind you, I'm backing you. I believe you one 642 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: thousand percent. Now that judge was Judge Schwall that apparently 643 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 1: told old testament guy he supports him. A thousand percent. 644 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: Judge Swall was not involved in the case. That's a 645 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:10,240 Speaker 1: whole another sideshow right there about what some judge unrelated 646 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: to the case said on the phone. But back to 647 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: the facts. To private investigator Vincent Hill in court, what 648 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,839 Speaker 1: can you tell me about the estate sale that went 649 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: down in the days after her death? Yeah, and she's 650 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: really interesting. So Ja Grober actually testified also that Texas 651 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: called them and asked how to get a copy of 652 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: the death certificate so we can start to have this 653 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: estate seal. And as you know, text sold a lot 654 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: of Diane's property. What the prosecution did. They put a 655 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: picture of Diane on the screen, and she was wearing 656 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,439 Speaker 1: a very expensive necklace, way more than what I could 657 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: ever afford a place. Tell me, I want to know, Oh, 658 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: this had to be a forty thousand or fifty thousand 659 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: dollar necklace. Fanti and exactly, and again it goes it 660 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: played on the jury. You know, of course again the 661 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: women were looking like, how could you do this to 662 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: your wife that you just lost? Who sells all of 663 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: this property? It's not logical, it's not even comprehensible, But 664 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: you know he did it, and you know the jury 665 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: it's it's playing into that. And as you know sometimes 666 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: well whole time about Vincent Hill, Jackie, Jackie with me 667 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: here in this studio, I don't really think that Dr 668 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: Brian Russell or Vincent Hill or Alan Duke are going 669 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: to appreciate this um. This lawyer Texas mac Ivor sells 670 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: his wife's colossal collection of firs designers she used jewels, 671 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: just about eight weeks after he accidentally shot her dead 672 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: in their suv. It included items like Jimmy Choose, Robert 673 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: Cavalli's Chanel product Lubita Bata do your Valentino. One fur 674 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: coat still had a sixty hundred dollar price tag attached 675 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: to it. She had never worn it. Uh huh huh. 676 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: Just so you know, we don't say o MG. But 677 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: back to this. That was just about eight weeks after 678 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: a prominent lawyer says he accidentally shoots his socialite wife. 679 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: She's not just a socialite, she's a businesswoman. He holds 680 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: his estate seal with his huge collection of designer clothing 681 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: promoted promoted as a fashionist does dream closet. And I'm 682 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: looking at photos of it right now, Jackie, look at this. 683 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: It looks like a boutique like you would go into 684 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: a boutique. Look at that, it's it looks like a 685 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: or there's so many things. There's even her wreaths that 686 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: apparently she made. It looks like Christmas wreaths hanging that 687 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: with price tags on their boots, jackets, suits, clothes, handbags. 688 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: Oh Jackie, come look at this fur coat. Oh my 689 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: goodness on twenty one for coats, m hmm, all sorts 690 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: and okay. But on the other hand, that's would you 691 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,839 Speaker 1: argue Dr Brian Russell a collateral issue as to whether 692 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: he held an estate sale? That mean, does that go 693 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: to the night of the shooting? Well, okay, so there 694 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: are people who are sort of the opposite of you 695 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,839 Speaker 1: how you describe yourself at the top of the show, 696 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:53,239 Speaker 1: people who want to get rid of material reminders of 697 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 1: people that they did love, who pass away as as 698 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: quickly as possible, and and I think you know you 699 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: you could chalk it up to that if it were 700 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 1: not occurring with uh, an implausible story about how the 701 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: shooting happened, and then efforts afterwards to it appears to 702 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 1: delay getting medical help for the wife, and then lying 703 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,399 Speaker 1: and asking others to lie about what happened. And then 704 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: you couple that with the detachment that we're seeing to 705 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: to to the material things of value and then running 706 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: around trying to gather up monetary assets. Uh, and it 707 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,400 Speaker 1: all paints a picture of somebody whose love for the 708 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: deceased really has to be questioned. And then if if 709 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: that's in question, then obviously the possibility at least that 710 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 1: this was a financially motivated murder really comes to the 711 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: four The estates all included over five pieces of fine 712 00:47:55,160 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: Italian and French jewelry, um hunt, drants of scarves in 713 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: every color. I'm just looking at all these photos of 714 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 1: all the estates, cell the scarves. I wish you could 715 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,280 Speaker 1: see them all folded up. It would field a twelve 716 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: hundred that's one thousand, two hundred square foot showroom racks 717 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: groaning under all the outfits, boots of every style and color, 718 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 1: for coats, for capes, the works, purses, even one that 719 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: was bedazzled, shaped like an owl, high end shoes. Just 720 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,439 Speaker 1: I just can't even describe it. All. That's a whole 721 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: another can of worms. What really mattered, what matters now 722 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: is what happened at the time of the shooting, trying 723 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 1: the case for the state or one of the state's lawyers. 724 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: Is my former understudy, Clint Rucker. We tried many, many cases. 725 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: I tried me immuny cases with him helping me. We'll 726 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: see what happens. He's pitted against a high profile defense 727 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: lawyer I've always also met in the courtroom, Bruce Harvey. 728 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: The case unfolding. Now will money and influence carry the day? 729 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: What are the facts? We are on the case? Nancy 730 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,959 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, Sign any book. Goodbye friend,