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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,

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Speaker 2: which has brought to you by First Light. You might

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Speaker 2: if you want some good stuff. Today's episode is all

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Speaker 2: about understanding limited resources and how they affect big buck behavior.

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Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this topic for a while, but

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Speaker 2: it really hit home with me when a buddy purchased

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Speaker 2: a beautiful property in southwestern Wisconsin a few years ago.

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Speaker 2: That land and what it offers is pretty dreamy, but

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Speaker 2: his take on it was a lot different than mine,

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Speaker 2: and it got me thinking about what do you really

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Speaker 2: need in any given area and how that's sort of

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Speaker 2: the key to figuring this stuff out really no matter

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Speaker 2: where you live. Now. I'm going to get into that

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Speaker 2: in a second, but first, if you like these podcasts

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Speaker 2: If you're so inclined, go check them out. But first,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about some deer. I'm convinced that so many

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Speaker 2: folks today are just whiny ass biznatchos these days for

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Speaker 2: one good reason. They've had a pretty good life. Now.

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Speaker 2: I know everyone has their struggles, but most of us

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Speaker 2: aren't struggling today in any manner like folks struggle in

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Speaker 2: a lot of the parts of the world, or how

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Speaker 2: they struggled not too many decades ago. Now that's a

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Speaker 2: broad generalization, of course, but for a good swath of

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Speaker 2: the population it's pretty true. And listen, I can throw

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Speaker 2: a pity party with the best of them, so I'm

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Speaker 2: not exempting myself here either. In fact, it's during certain

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Speaker 2: hunts where I get some not so subtle reminders of this.

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Speaker 2: Take my last el kant in twenty twenty two. I'd

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Speaker 2: never killed one over water, and since it was hot

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Speaker 2: and I was there in the first week of September,

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Speaker 2: I decided I was going to do just that. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm a patient guy when I believe an animal will

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Speaker 2: eventually show up, so I rode out several dark to

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Speaker 2: dark sits over water. I saw a few bulls from

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Speaker 2: stand too, which is pretty freaking cool. What wasn't cool

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Speaker 2: was that they were either all spooked or, in the

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Speaker 2: case of a really nice five by five, using the

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Speaker 2: wind to approach the water. Now, if you want to

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Speaker 2: feel deflated, go put in about forty hours in like

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Speaker 2: three days of sitting, and then watch a random mid

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Speaker 2: afternoon bowl walk over the ridge and right into your

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Speaker 2: scent stream at about thirty five yards. It took a

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Speaker 2: switch from our starting spot to a much deeper in

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Speaker 2: and shot a big, thirsty five by five while his

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Speaker 2: younger buddies watched. That bowl died six miles in and

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Speaker 2: we were on our sixth day of bivy hunting in

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Speaker 2: the most wonderfully horrible experience you can imagine. After a while,

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Speaker 2: every step is just like a tiny bit of torture.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're already low on sleep and haven't eaten

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Speaker 2: enough calories for you know, nearly a week, and then

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Speaker 2: the end of that pack job, which included not only

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Speaker 2: getting all the usable parts of that bowl to the trailhead,

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Speaker 2: end of something like that. Your body tells you what

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Speaker 2: my hunting partner and I talked about two very different topics.

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Speaker 2: about one of the main reasons you got married in

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Speaker 2: the first place, and that wasn't so you could mow

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Speaker 2: your porch, my friends. The second one is food, greasy

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Speaker 2: bar food, bacon, cheeseburgers, fries, mazzarella sticks, pizza, ice cream, lemonade.

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Speaker 2: Forget trail mix, Forget a bag of freeze dried whatever

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Speaker 2: headed right to one of those trendy Aspen microbrewery places

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Speaker 2: don't know how many glasses of lemonade and water we drank,

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Speaker 2: ask us if we were okay. The crazy part is

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Speaker 2: I merely just felt satisfied after eating one of the

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Speaker 2: largest meals I've ever eaten. We probably could have taken

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Speaker 2: down a third pizza. What we craved, and what we

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Speaker 2: needed was calorie dense food that was loaded with fat,

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Speaker 2: been in like a true state of deprivation, that's probably

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Speaker 2: how this relates to whitetails, mostly because we've been fed

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Speaker 2: kind of a dominant narrative from the hunting industry that

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Speaker 2: all the white tails out there. But we all know

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you couldn't watch a hunting show

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Speaker 2: over one hundred acres of food plots in Iowa. I

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Speaker 2: you have half a brain, you can kill a good

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Speaker 2: I'm still a little bitter over it. Anyway. It was

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Speaker 2: folks like that the paint of the picture of whitetail

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Speaker 2: with the intent of producing deer food. Now, I have

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Speaker 2: nothing against food plots, hell. One of my most enjoyable

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Speaker 2: is working on my food plots in Wisconsin. So that

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Speaker 2: love the process of those plots and planting them and

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Speaker 2: open food sources with solid greenery. That's why that little

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Speaker 2: big one. Now, while there is a tiny bit of

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Speaker 2: mixed in for fun. Bedding. Cover and just generally thick

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Speaker 2: reverse that. I just got the wonderful news that I

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Speaker 2: where I plan to hunt, there's going to be fields everywhere.

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Speaker 2: A deer that wants to eat alfalfa doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: to eat corn Yep, you guessed it. There's food everywhere

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Speaker 2: in the form of egg, and there's also big oak

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Speaker 2: quite as prevalent. But here's the kicker. Since I'm hunting

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Speaker 2: likely wouldn't be. Public water is an option, but it

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Speaker 2: comes into play, which is cover, thick cover. Deer of

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Speaker 2: all stripes, but especially big bucks, they don't mind open

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Speaker 2: When I scout down there, I'm always looking for the thickest,

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Speaker 2: gnarliest cover I can find. First, I can tell by

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Speaker 2: when I do hunt down there that this isn't the

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Speaker 2: case for everyone. You can see the hunter patterns since

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Speaker 2: they leave plenty of evidence on the field edges. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you're sitting on a soybean field edge, you certainly

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Speaker 2: have a chance even on public land. But why would

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Speaker 2: a big buck go where the hunting pressure is most

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Speaker 2: concentrated when he can either ride out the daylight hours

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Speaker 2: and whatever cover is available, or just hop any number

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Speaker 2: of fences and go feed on soybeans. On somebody's private

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Speaker 2: property where the pressure is guaranteed to be less than

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Speaker 2: he'll still stick mostly to the best cover for most

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Speaker 2: many of us get this part wrong. That's it for

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Speaker 2: this week. I'm Tony Peterson. This has been the Wire

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