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Speaker 1: Wind down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

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Speaker 2: So we're back.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the suitcase.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: It works a challenge. I challenge you to find something

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Speaker 2: else in this rental that would be the height, that

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Speaker 2: would be perfect. I even sat there for you to

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Speaker 2: be like, Okay.

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Speaker 1: That's very sweet. You were like, oh, she's a little

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Speaker 1: bit taller, and.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I need like I need something very

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Speaker 2: similar to this table.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to find the comfy chairs.

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Speaker 1: It is a challenge. It's you know, it's not your stuff, no,

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Speaker 1: so but it looks great.

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Speaker 2: You did a good Thank you. We're in Tennessee again.

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Speaker 2: We were coming live to you from zooms there for

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Speaker 2: a little while in I can say I guess where

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Speaker 2: I was now. I was in Patagonia, Arizona, Patagonia, like

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Speaker 2: literally the cutest town I've ever been to. It was amazing.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I can't see you like really loving

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Speaker 1: like a tiny town like that, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: you did.

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you take out like a tiny town?

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Speaker 1: I mean it would just get you know, what are

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Speaker 1: you gonna do? But you were also filming, Like if

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Speaker 1: you were filming what.

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Speaker 2: Would you do every day? Like fourteen hour days, like

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Speaker 2: all day. But yeah, I rarely talk to you. I know,

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Speaker 2: it's like hey over here.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: It was also like zero service too, like the only

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Speaker 2: time I had service was on location. But no, I

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Speaker 2: loved it. It was like the cutest little town. And

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Speaker 2: when we had to we had to move halfway during

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Speaker 2: the movie, so we had to move to a different location,

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Speaker 2: and I actually preferred the other place we went to

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Speaker 2: was a little bit more of a bigger city, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I miss pett It because it was

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Speaker 2: just so special, like all the crew and cast hung

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Speaker 2: out together at this little pool area and it was cool.

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Speaker 2: The hotel they it was made for John Wayne. Oh wow,

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Speaker 2: I like called Jen I'm like j Hotel. So he

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Speaker 2: would film Westerns in Patagonia, Arizona around the area, and

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Speaker 2: so they built this hotel for his casting crew. So

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Speaker 2: I stayed in. There was like a John Wayne room.

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Speaker 2: There was like you know, all the like actress that

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Speaker 2: had come. What room was I in? I was in

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Speaker 2: one of the like famous Western girl rooms. But it

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Speaker 2: was just you know, that's cool. It was great because

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it was in a cute town. Everyone was

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Speaker 2: like the loveliest people ever. Yeah, it's had a great time.

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Speaker 2: But now we're back in a rental.

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Speaker 1: It's it is better not over zoom. I like being

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Speaker 1: oh in person with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Well we had we had a get

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Speaker 2: together the other day. I'm like, I just missed you

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Speaker 2: because then I felt bad for I hadn't we hadn't.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't got my nails down and over a month

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Speaker 2: and they were like hanging out. I had like three

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Speaker 2: band aids on fingers. Everyone's like, I like your blue nails.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's a band aid. But because they kept

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Speaker 2: falling off, and then I talked the entire.

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Speaker 1: They were talking about it for sure, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm really sorry.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen her in a month. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: to catch up on. I was like, things change daily,

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Speaker 2: so imagine a month.

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Speaker 1: It's so hard because it's like where do you where

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Speaker 1: do you start? Like where do you at like when

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Speaker 1: you're gone for a month, Like I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think we got caught up. I think so.

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Speaker 2: And now we're here and I'm I'm having a tough

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Speaker 2: time in the in the rental because I don't I

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Speaker 2: can't nest. I can't put anything away. I can't everything's

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Speaker 2: in storage. So it's just like it's I'm just like

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to move into the house, but I don't

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm just like and you don't sit well.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: I had therapy right before this, and I was just like, Amy,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm about to just like I'm like

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Speaker 2: or something. And I'm again and I'm very grateful that

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Speaker 2: you know, we found this rental, but it's I just

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Speaker 2: home and start unpacking and ye that all stuff.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it'll come soon. Yeah, Yeah, everything's gonna be fine.

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Speaker 2: But when we were at therapy, though, I was telling

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Speaker 2: kind of walking through and just a lot of like

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Speaker 2: fears and and in doubts, not doubts, but like if

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Speaker 2: was like, okay, imagine one of those. She's like, you

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Speaker 2: know that game with the kids with the claw and

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Speaker 2: it goes down and it's like yeah, And I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I spent ten bucks on that thing when I was

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Speaker 2: on vacation. This is gonna I'm in a sidebar now

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Speaker 2: from that conversation. But she's like, you what, I was like, no,

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Speaker 2: and they're like, they wanted this two cent rubber ducky

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Speaker 2: and I was like, and it was like two bucks

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Speaker 2: to get the rubber ducky. And I'm like, Jolie, this

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Speaker 2: you're gonna You're just not gonna get it. You're just

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Speaker 2: I mean, we will spend. And we spent ten dollars. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then I was like Papa, He's like, oh, here's what.

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Speaker 2: I was like, No, you need to stop because I'm

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Speaker 2: like I've already spent ten, like you know. And then

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Speaker 2: the more they didn't get the thing, I most broke

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Speaker 2: the like I shook it.

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Speaker 1: To like give the funny story is I had Ramsey

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Speaker 1: and Jolie doing that the other day too, the glow

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Speaker 1: machine when we went to the jump place. But Jolie

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Speaker 1: got one like right away, so then Ramsey didn't. I

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Speaker 1: was like, well, dad, gum it. So I kept having

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Speaker 1: to taking money to get.

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Speaker 2: And that's the problem. You can't get it.

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Speaker 1: No, you might as well just go to the store

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Speaker 1: and buying one. But that's not the point anyway, sidebar.

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Speaker 2: No, but I I'm I could. Oh, I'm very angry

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, you're like shaking them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I wanted to take a sledgehammer and open it.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to break the thing to be.

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Speaker 4: Like, here's your freaking Rubbert ducky.

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Speaker 2: It's like we could have gone to the dollar store

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Speaker 2: I was like, Amy, yes, and I spent ten dollars

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Speaker 2: And she's like, well, it's just like you all your fear.

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Speaker 2: She's like, when you when you can imagine your brain

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Speaker 2: going to a fear, She's like, imagine that claw and

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Speaker 2: it's going down and it's grabbing the whatever the object

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Speaker 2: reality is most of the time it's not going to

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Speaker 1: So like she's saying, don't grab onto that fear, like

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Speaker 2: For it and going down, like don't let it latch on,

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Speaker 2: on it. I'm like, you just got like fifteen Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's picking up fifty rubber doockies right now.

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Speaker 2: So that was real life. Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I thought that was just like so cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're in control of all of that. But man,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm such an overthinker, and I can sit there

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Speaker 2: Well, and something else of a girlfriend had texted me.

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Speaker 2: She goes, she was waiting on something, and she goes,

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Speaker 2: I'm really afraid of what they're going to say. And

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Speaker 2: So you're already causing yourself to have anxiety when you

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Speaker 2: They'reeah call me right now and say and I'm like, oh, yeah, cool,

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Speaker 2: And that was just such a moment. I was like

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Speaker 2: if Remember what Maria Manuna says, what if my household?

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Speaker 2: What if I got a job? What if? And like

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Speaker 2: we got to get back to I wonder what it's

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Speaker 2: a pregnant movie this. Yeah, but I'm like, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, let's go back to that because I'm

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Speaker 2: like I've I've I've like you know, even being in

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Speaker 2: like to just really enjoy this time with the kids

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Speaker 2: and not have the stress of moving. Yeah, that right

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Speaker 1: So great.

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Speaker 2: What are you at, God? What are you gonna wonder? Kat?

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Speaker 2: I wonder?

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Speaker 1: Oh God. For me, it's more just about like kids,

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Speaker 1: well and just like letting go of Like I wonder

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but and you'll get back to I'm halfway there,

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Speaker 1: I was told by somebody that people think that you're

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Speaker 1: I think it's the funniest, like ever convinced whatever, And

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Speaker 2: Like why would I like.

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Speaker 1: Like what are and also hilario, do you hide this later?

432
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

433
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Speaker 1: Or you know what I mean, like, how would you

434
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Speaker 1: even pull that off?

435
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

436
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Speaker 1: They'll just feel stupid later though, I don't even know.

437
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,160
Speaker 2: I think it's funny. Well, it's funny because we somehow

438
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 2: people we were talking to her Zach, he came up

439
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Speaker 2: with this like fake person and it's like how people

440
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,479
Speaker 2: are like try to It's like, you, guys, I just

441
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 2: made you look how silly you look by just spending

442
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 2: your amount of time trying to put together timelines of things.

443
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just told you guys the time, but

444
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 2: waste another I please go waste another nineteen weeks, eighteen weeks,

445
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 2: you know, give and c section. Please go have fun.

446
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's funny. Anyway, Anyways, good times.

447
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: We've got Little Bosworth coming on the show, and she's

448
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 2: got some She's on an amazing product line that she

449
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: has out that's just hit Walmarts and Target Alto. She'll

450
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: tell you all about it. Let's take a break and

451
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Speaker 2: get low Bosworth on. Hey girl, how are you.

452
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Speaker 4: We are doing? We're okay, We're just surviving over here.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, where are you at? Are you? Are you still

454
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Speaker 2: in California?

455
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Speaker 4: No, I've lived in New York for twelve years actually, oh.

456
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 2: Twelve Okay, New York Okay, because we're you were in

457
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 2: Los Angeles obviously with the show, right.

458
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to u CLA and so I lived

459
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 4: in LA when I was in college and then for

460
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Speaker 4: like a couple of years after and then moved to

461
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Speaker 4: New York in twenty twelve, so a very long time ago.

462
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Speaker 2: And you're in the city.

463
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Speaker 4: M Yeah, I'm at the Love All this office right now.

464
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Speaker 4: Where at work? Well?

465
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Speaker 2: Congratulations because I heard that also launched in that launched

466
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Speaker 2: in stores right like this this week or something.

467
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we launched in Walmart this week.

468
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Speaker 2: Well that's amazing art.

469
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Speaker 4: Yeah. So we've already been nationwide at Oulton at Target

470
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 4: for two three years, and this is our big Walmart launch.

471
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 4: So it's a huge inflection point for the company. It's

472
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 4: it's really exciting, but it's also really scary taking on

473
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 4: a new retailer that really holds you to a level

474
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: of excellence and standards that you know, generally speaking, is

475
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Speaker 4: kind of outside of the band with a lot of

476
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Speaker 4: startup type of companies, and so we will meet the challenge,

477
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 4: but I'm it's definitely already been a humbling experience.

478
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Speaker 2: What are what are some of the products because I'm

479
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: not super familiar with, which I can't wait to be

480
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: more familiar with, But what are some of the products

481
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: in your brand that you guys have out that we

482
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: can get at an alto or a hard or target.

483
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, So I started Levelness back in twenty sixteen, and

484
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 4: I started the company because I was dealing with all

485
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 4: kinds of personal care problems. I was depressed, I was anxious.

486
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 4: I was kept getting UTIs and east infections, and my

487
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 4: experience going to the doctor, I think is a very

488
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 4: similar experience to a lot of women. You really have

489
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 4: to self advocate. You have to go to so many

490
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Speaker 4: doctors appointments to get any kind of diagnosis for them

491
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 4: to take you seriously. For me, it took eighteen months

492
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 4: for my doctor to run a simple blood panel to

493
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 4: check my vitamin levels. This was back in twenty fourteen

494
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 4: and it turns out I was dealing with really really

495
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 4: severe vitamin efficiencies that really pointed to a lot of

496
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 4: the symptoms that I was experiencing. But even below that,

497
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 4: the root cause of why I couldn't absorb vitamins was

498
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 4: because I had a gut health issue. When you have

499
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 4: a gut health issue, you have vitamin absorbency problems, and

500
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 4: the gut and the vagina live on the same axis

501
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 4: as do the brain and the gut, and so if

502
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 4: you have gut health issues, depression and anxiety, UTIs ease

503
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 4: infections BB like, the problems run up and they run down.

504
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 4: And so once I was armed with that information, even

505
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 4: though it took me a really long time to learn

506
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 4: to go to doctors to research to understand, I kind

507
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 4: of looked around and was like, there are no products

508
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 4: that are focused on a holistic way to think about

509
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 4: women's health right from the gut connected to the brain

510
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 4: to the vagina. And so can I create a company

511
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 4: a brand that feels millennial. So it's twenty sixteen, gen

512
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 4: Z didn't quite have credit cards yet, feel millennial, feel

513
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 4: like Glossier, feel like Casper in the wellness space that

514
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 4: could educate you about products and also make you, I

515
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 4: don't know, feel encouraged to use self care products daily

516
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 4: as part of a routine, almost like a beauty routine, right,

517
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 4: And I figured that the answer was yes, and so

518
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 4: initially started the company in twenty sixteen. For the first

519
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 4: two and a half years, I went at it alone

520
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 4: out of my living room, built everything from the Shopify

521
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 4: website to answering customer emails, working with our manufacturers and

522
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: you know, doctors, to work on formulations and everything like that.

523
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 4: It really was a labor of love and it started

524
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 4: to work. And you know, over the past seven years,

525
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 4: the business has grown grown to a size that I

526
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 4: never could anticipate it being. Right. We're based in New City.

527
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 4: We're almost fifty employees. We just launched in Walmart. Mind, Like,

528
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 4: my mind is blown every single day.

529
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Speaker 2: That's amazing. And I'm curious. I mean, so, Kat's one

530
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: of my best friends and we have this group called

531
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 2: the Queendom, and I was my vagina was the topic

532
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: of the the text thread. Because I don't know, I

533
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: can't pinpoint when it went back to, but I do

534
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: know it was after my son and I just started

535
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,239
Speaker 2: to get I just constant east infections and I'm just like,

536
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: I've taken the difflucan two times. I've so that that's

537
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: the only thing that the doctors were like, guy knows, like,

538
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: here's diflucan. And I'm like, well a doesn't make me

539
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: feel good, but it's not helping. So then they're like, okay,

540
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: you've got you know, let's try this antibiotic or whatever.

541
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: And that just made it obviously a million times worse.

542
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: And so everything worse, right, I literally everything, And they're like,

543
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: but take a probiotic to offset the and I'm like okay,

544
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: And so trying to like figure this out, and you know,

545
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: gut health has been such a huge thing that everyone's

546
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: kind of now talked about, and I'm like, well, I

547
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: do have certain pains in my stomach. And and when

548
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: I was researching it, I was like, okay, what are

549
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: similar the other ways I can do? And I was

550
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: looking up like all right, there's boric acid or there's

551
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: this like I found I personally when I was searching,

552
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: and this was a couple of years ago, I only

553
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: found one website that like was like something that they

554
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: could send, you know, a wash or like a and

555
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: then I'm just like, but it didn't. It didn't really help.

556
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: And then that's when I slid into my queendom message

557
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: and I'm like, girls, is anyone else dealing with this

558
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: because it's just like the most embarrassing. And also I'm like,

559
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to. I'm like, I'm mentoring

560
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: hawk Girl summer and this is not cool. Like I

561
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: was single and I'm like, you know what I mean,

562
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: like I don't need to be like this is just

563
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: like what is going on? And so then my friend

564
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: was like, it's gut health and this, that and the other.

565
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: But it's weird because I don't know what the correlation is.

566
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 2: But since being pregnant, now I haven't had one yeast infection,

567
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: so I'm like, this is just weird to me that

568
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: like nothing has changed besides just being pregnant. So it's

569
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: like I don't but now I'm like, okay, now when

570
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: I'm post baby, I have to figure that out. So

571
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, if it's like I'm I'm going

572
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: to do it straight to your products and also maybe

573
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: getting a vitamin list or I don't know.

574
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: Like what have you kind of like I'm not a doctor,

575
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 4: and I even had no for sure the hormone changes

576
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 4: in your body have maybe reset your microbiome to a

577
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 4: certain degree, and that like the microbiome that your baby

578
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 4: needed probably was encouraged to develop or grow. Right, I

579
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 4: know that like when you deliver adationally, you know, babies

580
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 4: like really benefit from that from a microbiome perspective. And

581
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 4: so I assume that pregnancy does all kinds of magical

582
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: things to your body and so funky that some kind

583
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: of reset that you know you needed to you know,

584
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 4: grow that baby and successfully deliver.

585
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: But again, like I right, yeah know for sure, what

586
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: what products though would you be like all right after

587
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: post baby and it comes up again, like what would

588
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: you be like you need this from my product line?

589
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think maybe or not. Listen, like we

590
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 4: all let's even take it as set for the back. Right,

591
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 4: we're all humans that live in twenty twenty three, and

592
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 4: we're dealing with things that are inflammatory for our bodies

593
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 4: every single day. And it's different than it was one hundred,

594
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty years ago. Right, I'm talking about

595
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 4: everything from well not just antibiotics, because now I think

596
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 4: there's broad awareness that antibiotics can create you know, gut

597
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: dysfunction and you know, all kinds of infections because it

598
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: kills off all the bacterior of your body. But you

599
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 4: think about other things that you do you take on

600
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 4: a daily basis that also can really be microbiome disruptors.

601
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 4: Things like a set of minifin I viewprofen anytime you

602
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 4: have a drink of alcohol, any food with preservatives in it,

603
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: anything that has been highly processed, any food that you

604
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: have any kind of reaction to, whether it's gluten, whether

605
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 4: it's dairy, whether it's you know, the list could go

606
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 4: on and on, regardless of if you have Celiac or not. Right,

607
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 4: maybe you have a mild sensitivity to something. You know,

608
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 4: we're putting sunscreen on our bodies, it's getting into our bloodstream.

609
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 4: We're putting makeup all over our face that's full of toxins.

610
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 4: We're breathing air that's full of toxins. So that list,

611
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: that example of that's an example of life in twenty

612
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: twenty three. Right, it's what our bodies deal with every

613
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 4: single day, and all of those things have the capacity

614
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 4: to disrupt our gut microbiomes. Right because of what we're

615
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 4: ingesting or what we're taking in through our bodies. Right,

616
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: we're disrupting the way that things normally are, and your

617
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 4: gut microbiome goes beyond just you know, sort of acting

618
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: as like the bacteria on your gut wall lining. It

619
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: also regulates hormones and you know, beyond that. I would

620
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: say that a lot of the issues that we are

621
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: chronically dealing with as women, which I think are gut

622
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 4: health issues, mental health issues, and vaginal and urinary tract issues,

623
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 4: are all coming back to this gut health problem that

624
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 4: is just truly symptomatic of what it means to exist

625
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 4: in modern times. And so I think like going into

626
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: your day to day with that knowledge understanding that there's

627
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 4: a lot that you cannot control in your environmental factors,

628
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: but that there are a lot of things that you

629
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: can control, is probably the best sort of piece of

630
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 4: enlightening information that I think that we can just generally

631
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 4: work with day to day. Right, And so when you

632
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: get to the product side of love Wellness, we make

633
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 4: products that help to address the root cause, right, these

634
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: gut health issues help you to maintain good health every

635
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 4: single day, like whether it's daily probiotics or a daily vitamin,

636
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 4: or a cleanser that's made without fragrance, but we also

637
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: make those sort of treatment types of products, like the

638
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: Killer which is a boric acid suspository, which is what

639
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 4: you talked about, or Flora Power, which is a suppository

640
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: for BEV. And so when it comes to our health

641
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: and our bodies, you have to realize that the things

642
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 4: that you're consuming create problems, but it's also the products

643
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: that you're putting on your body that can create problems.

644
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: And so is the desired want to practice personal hygiene

645
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 4: and like clean your vulva valid?

646
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

647
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: I think so. And you know people are saying, oh,

648
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: you should only use water down there, gentle soap, you know,

649
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 4: don't use personal care cleansers. The reality is personal care

650
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 4: cleansers have been made with horrifying chemicals and ingredients basically

651
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 4: for one hundred years when Lysol created the first personal

652
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 4: care cleanser and told you that you needed it to

653
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 4: you know, the right way for your husband. But again,

654
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 4: like wanting to jump in the shower and like use

655
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: soap to clean your body, I think is like a

656
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 4: valid want, need desire, right, And so is it possible

657
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: to create a vulva cleanser that is made without fragrance,

658
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 4: that is made with extremely gentle ingredients that's pH balanced. Yes, absolutely,

659
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: we do that at Love Wellness, right, And so I

660
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: think what we're doing is really serving for need states

661
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: that have been historically, I think, treated in ways that

662
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 4: are just not appropriate for our bodies. Right, So we're

663
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 4: really kind of like reinventing the wheel when it comes

664
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: to personal care. But education is a huge part of that, right,

665
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 4: Like knowing that fragrance in a bar soap, a body soap,

666
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: or a personal care cleanser can throw off your vaginal

667
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: pH is like a light bulb moment, right, Like, oh

668
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 4: my god, what I had no idea.

669
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: I will never have to. I have to travel now

670
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: with an uncented dove bar. And I travel because I'm like,

671
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: any kind of shower gel that's in a shower, you're

672
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: to give me an immediate east.

673
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: You're the only reason I know that.

674
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: Like, I would have no idea.

675
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: I've used soap my entire life, Like I've always used

676
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: shower gel scented, no issues, And I'm like, why are

677
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: you traveling with a non scented part soap. I was like, Oh,

678
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to do that. I didn't know that.

679
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: And I also that you're not supposed to. It's just

680
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: like some people could have a really bad like but

681
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: I mean I used to wash it with it down there,

682
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: which then caused the But now if I'm like, okay,

683
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: if I want, like there's this really good, like natural

684
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: smelling shower gel that I I just put it on

685
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: my arms and like my chest, don't let it even

686
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 2: touch anywhere down there.

687
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: I can't imagine, not like you said, I can't imagine

688
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: not using soap like to clean like I just you know,

689
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: like I have a hard time feeling clean if I'm not.

690
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 4: Dang right, and so, you know, it's interesting and we've

691
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: talked to our medical advisors about this, and they've said,

692
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: you know, some people really react to certain chemicals fragrances.

693
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 4: Other people don't. Write it's just based on your body,

694
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 4: and so like the widespread advice because of that personal

695
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: Claire is just use water. But really they're talking about

696
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 4: the vagina, the internal organ, and that is of course true.

697
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 4: You don't want to put anything inside your vagina. But

698
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: there's a lot of you know, a lot of room

699
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: for debate when it comes to external cleansers. But as

700
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 4: a brand, we believe that you know, there is a

701
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 4: list of ingredients that absolutely should not belong in personal

702
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 4: care cleansers, Jenna, because of your experience, right, because there

703
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 4: is a subset of the population that does have these

704
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 4: experiences to these ingredients and it can make your life

705
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 4: an absolute living help Right. But again, like, can we

706
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: make products without those ingredients that are really gentle, really effective,

707
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: Yes we can, and so we do.

708
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: So this whole idea of it being linked not idea,

709
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: but that it's linked to gut health, which is so

710
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: new to me and not knowing that at all, if

711
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, So in theory, then when you're taking

712
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: these products of yours, are you basically just taking a

713
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: probiotic or is there something extra in it that is

714
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: helping with your vaginal health or are you really just

715
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: taking a probiotic that's just helping you stay.

716
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 4: So the gut sorry if you are walking by my office.

717
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 4: So the gut and the vagina actually communicate, their microbiomes

718
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 4: talk to one another. It's it's fascinating.

719
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: You're like, what up, what up? You stinking down there?

720
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: Clean it up.

721
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 4: They're texting, they're texting. Freendom. Think about Tommy texting the

722
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 4: bacteria in your vagina. They have a codependent relationship. And

723
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 4: so if your gut bacteria are in good shape, able

724
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: to reproduce on their own and be maintained at the

725
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: right levels because of your healthy lifestyle or the probiotic

726
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 4: that you're taking every single day, they are going to

727
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 4: text the bacteria in your vagina through your vaginal microbiome

728
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 4: that's responsible for maintaining your healthy vaginal pH levels, which

729
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 4: is acidic, right. You want it to be acidic so

730
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: that you don't get an overgrowth of bad bacteria, pathogens, yeast,

731
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 4: and that is called quorum sensing. It is a fascinating

732
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: part of science and our bodies, the fact that bacteria

733
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 4: in your tummy can literally tell the bacteria in your vagina, Hey,

734
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 4: we're doing great up here, so you guys should be

735
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 4: doing great down there. But if the bacteria in your

736
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 4: tummy are not doing well right because you took an antibiotic,

737
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 4: or you're eating a bunch of stuff that's really bad

738
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: for you that creates gut dysbiosis or whatever, then your

739
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 4: gut bacteria are not going to be able to communicate

740
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 4: to your vagina that they should also be in really

741
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: good shape and maintaining that vaginal pH that sort of

742
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 4: like immunity that a fit that comes from having a

743
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: really balanced vaginal microbiome. So that is like the way

744
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 4: that bacteria in the gut and the vagina communicate, right,

745
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 4: quorum sensing. So that's why taking oral antibiotics actually helps

746
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: vaginal health, like benefits vaginal health. Then the other part

747
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 4: of it.

748
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: Is, girl, you sound like a doctor, and I would like,

749
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: I'm like getting I'm like you say or not, but

750
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, i feel like I've gotten more knowledge in

751
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: this session than at my doctor's.

752
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not a doctor, but i am so

753
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 4: fascinated by this subject matter.

754
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: And I started, You've done a lot of research.

755
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 4: I'm like a curious person. I've done so much research.

756
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 4: This stuff absolutely fascinates me. So then the other part

757
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 4: of it is think about So the other part sorry.

758
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: Go girl, go.

759
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 4: You have quorm sensing, right, so the bacteria talk to

760
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 4: each other. Then the other thing that can be challenging

761
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 4: when it comes to gut bacteria is the proximity of

762
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 4: your little butthole to your join.

763
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: Close. So if your but holes close to the okay.

764
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: To the vaginal opening, right, and so if you get

765
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 4: like material vaginosis or you're getting uti s or whatever.

766
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 4: It's because there's an overgrowth of some kind of bad

767
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 4: bacteria happening. It's like crawling up your urethra. It's getting

768
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 4: into your vagina. Typically it's coming from your back door,

769
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: so it's not necessarily reflective of poor hygiene or anything

770
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 4: like that. But if you just think about the proximity

771
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 4: of those two organs, right.

772
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: But trying to get your vagina, so it's getting.

773
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 4: A dirty your vagina and your urethra, Like bad bacteria

774
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 4: go out that part and they're very close to the vagina, right,

775
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 4: So your vaginal pH isn't like in great shape, it

776
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 4: isn't acidic all the time. It's not going to be

777
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 4: able to deal with those sort of like constant invaders

778
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 4: that are just part of your body naturally.

779
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: This is disgusting. Yeah, go ahead, but I'm go ahead, okay, No, no, no,

780
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: I was what I was about to further, I was

781
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: about to say was disgusting. What you're saying is not

782
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: what I was about to just say, because I didn't

783
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: mean to cut you off, but I was saying, sometimes

784
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: it's hard to wipe the other way is so hard,

785
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: So that's my issue.

786
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Probably I've never spoken with anyone about this, but like

787
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: it's so awkward.

788
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, even when I'm trying to teach my jop

789
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: like you, I'm like, so she's like, but Mommy, I'm not.

790
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: I was like, I trust me, I get it, and

791
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: I do that. But I'm like, I'm supposed to teach

792
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: you as a parent to wipe the other way. Yet

793
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: I go, I wipe and then I go around because

794
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: like it's like, you know, it's hard.

795
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 5: I didn't get it all I know, and like wearing

796
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 5: a thong or one of our medical advisors is an

797
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: amazing gynecologist and she was like Lauren, and even wearing

798
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 5: songs like bad bacteria, I can just crawl that thought.

799
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 4: Into the front part of the phone.

800
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 2: Maybe that's your issue, honey. My phones are not the issue,

801
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: all right, part of it, you know what I mean.

802
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 4: So, like, it's not that we're practicing bad personal hygiene.

803
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 4: It's just that there's you know, two organs that are

804
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 4: very closely connected on the body, and it can create

805
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 4: problems for people. And so again, if your bacheal microbiome

806
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 4: is not operating in the way that it should functioning

807
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: as the vagina is an immunity organ right, think about it, like,

808
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 4: it prevents you from having infection and irritation, right, And

809
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: so that pH level, that microbiome like is the foundation

810
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: to supporting your vagina as a community you organ. Right.

811
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 4: So you do it by not using products that kill

812
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 4: off your good bacteria physically like on that part of

813
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 4: your body. And you do it by supporting your gut health.

814
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: So I have two other questions. Is the your book

815
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: that's out Love Yourself Well, does it have this information

816
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: that you're saying it does in the book.

817
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: The book, I have it in my office.

818
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 2: You better Yeah, you should be proud of it. I'm okay,

819
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: let's see it. Yeah, I Love Yourself Well, So give

820
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: us the elevator pitch of like this book.

821
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 4: Yeah. So we released this book at the top of

822
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 4: the year and it's Loved Yourself Well and Empowering Wellness

823
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 4: Guide to Supporting your gut brain in vagina. It really

824
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 4: explains how the gut, brain and vagina live on the

825
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 4: same axis, how they're all connected, and how they all

826
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 4: affect one another. And if something's going wrong here, it

827
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 4: can go wrong there and vice versa. Right, So it

828
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 4: takes you through all of the science. It explains how

829
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 4: the vagus nerve is connected from the brain to the

830
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 4: gut into your uterus. Right, that's basically like the fiber

831
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 4: optic cable that runs through your body. If you think,

832
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: like think about like when you're nervous and you're tummy

833
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: like it's like a little like oh, you know what

834
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: I mean, that's like your vagus nerve running from your

835
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 4: brain to your tummy being like hello, think about orgasms

836
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 4: that are more easy to have, you know, like when

837
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 4: you're thinking about something that turns you on, Right, that's

838
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 4: your vagus nerve like running down if you're into that

839
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 4: part of your body. Your microbiome is really responsible for

840
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: hormone creation and delivery all throughout the body. And again

841
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 4: it's you know, functions as sort of like an immunity

842
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 4: immunity organ in and of itself. So the book explains

843
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 4: all of that science, and it explains to you why

844
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: if you're dealing with issues on any three of those

845
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 4: access points, why they're happening and how you can solve them. Right.

846
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 4: But the gut, brain vagina axis is you know, specifically female,

847
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 4: and so it's just really important that we take care

848
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 4: of our bodies in a really specific way, and a

849
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 4: lot of that comes from food, diet, exercise, things like that.

850
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 4: So the book has a five week plan that sort

851
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: of helps you get back to homeostasis, and it's really

852
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 4: focused on identifying what your food sensitivities are, you know,

853
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: lifestyle stressors things like that.

854
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, A piece of that, like everything that

855
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 2: you were saying that, you know, the process, the alcohol, this,

856
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: that and the other. I was. I had doctor Ahman

857
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: on the show a couple weeks ago, and you know,

858
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: he was talking about things that are really bad for

859
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: the brain, and you know, things that are just you

860
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: know that you should be doing and things that you

861
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: shouldn't be doing. And when I was listening to him,

862
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: it's like, of course, I'm you know, I'm soaking in

863
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: all the knowledge and sponging it up. And then I

864
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: had asked him about, well, you know, what do you

865
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: think of the term everything in moderation right? And he

866
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: didn't like that term because he thinks it's then a

867
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: way to cheat essentially, like you're you're letting yourself cheat

868
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 2: on something that isn't good. And I've sat with that

869
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks because I'm like, I agree.

870
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: Having said that, I'm like, I do like the having

871
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: a glass of wine, you know, or and I'm like,

872
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find like, post baby, Okay, what's my

873
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: balance going to be? Because I have someone saying that

874
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: alcohol is the killer. It's the death. You could have

875
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: seven different types of cancers and Alzheimer's, and then there's

876
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: the gut and the gut health and then or but

877
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: if I'm eating this cheese or this this, or like,

878
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: and I try to stay, as you know, much away

879
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: from processed foods as possible, it's but I'm like, but

880
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: there's got to be some kind of balance where it's

881
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: like you can't and you can't. So it's like, is

882
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: there something in the middle where it's like, well, how

883
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: do you live a do you how do you find

884
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 2: a balance with the things that you're told that aren't

885
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: good for you but that you enjoy from time to time?

886
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: Of course, Well, I think the first thing you have

887
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 4: to recognize is that we're all human, We're all fallible,

888
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 4: and we will make mistakes, and so you have to

889
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 4: just get comfortable with the fact that, like you are,

890
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 4: are going to mess up, and so making peace with

891
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: that I think is like.

892
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: But I almost don't want to look at it as

893
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: like a mistake or a shame or like I don't

894
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: want to feel like I'm making a mistake by like

895
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 2: having a glass of wine, or a mistake by having

896
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: cheese dip at girls night, or a mistake by you

897
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: know what I'm like, I don't want to feel that

898
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 2: like shame or pressure.

899
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 4: I think it's just how you perceptualize it, right, Like

900
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 4: me saying you're a human, We're going to make mistakes

901
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 4: like that just means like we're not going to be

902
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 4: able to stick to our plan all of the time

903
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 4: because just for human beings, right, like, we cannot consistently

904
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 4: do the same thing. So however you want to perceptualize

905
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 4: it or conceptualize it like you will go off off

906
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 4: the track that you may want to stay on. Right.

907
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 4: The second thing is every single body is different. People

908
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 4: get cancer for different reasons, People get sick for different reasons,

909
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 4: Like COVID is a great example. I've had COVID four

910
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 4: times and it kicks my ass. And other people have

911
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 4: COVID and they do not even have a runny nose,

912
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And so what is bad

913
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 4: for you may not be bad for me, And so

914
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 4: I think what's really important is that you understand what

915
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 4: affects you negatively and positively, and you make choices based

916
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 4: on your own personal experience. I think a lot of

917
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 4: health advice from a broad, big picture perspective is good advice, right, Like,

918
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 4: you need sleep, you need a lot of water, you

919
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 4: need to need healthy, you need fiber, et cetera. But

920
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 4: what works for me and what works for you could

921
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: be completely different, right, Like one of you gets these

922
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 4: infections from soap, the other does not. Write the same

923
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 4: thing with gluten, with carbs, with all of these things

924
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 4: that are temptations or that we have been taught to

925
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: be good or bad. And so it really comes down

926
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 4: to who are you, what works for you, what makes

927
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: you feel good, what makes you feel bad? And if

928
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 4: you do things that are make you feel bad twenty

929
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 4: percent of the time, is that something that you can

930
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 4: live with? Right? And the answer is probably yes.

931
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: Right.

932
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 4: I think that a lot of illness comes from over exposure,

933
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 4: you know, from doing the same thing to a degree

934
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 4: that it causes sickness and illness in the body. Right,

935
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 4: But we're also pretty resilient, you know, what I mean,

936
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 4: like babies can fall and like they're okay.

937
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean it's true.

938
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 4: You can roll off the ouch and like it's fine

939
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 4: most of the time.

940
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: Where are you? Are you married or not married or

941
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: a relationship? What's your No, I'm not married.

942
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 4: I'm dating somebody but not married.

943
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: Okay, yay. How long have you guys been dating for.

944
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: A little while, like a couple of months?

945
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 2: Oh yay, Okay, that's good.

946
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 4: That's good.

947
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: I love that. I'm curious, like like final, like to

948
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: wrap it up. Obviously, you're crushing it with everything that

949
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: you're doing, and you know you've you've also had a

950
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: very public life to living, you know, doing the reality

951
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: show Laguna Beach is something where you're just like, I

952
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: don't even want to talk about that. Let's just all

953
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 2: let's focus on the here and now and where I'm

954
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: at as like this person, because we've all evolved, like

955
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: you said, like, we're all evolving and we all like

956
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 2: change and learn, and.

957
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: I'm happy to talk about my experience. I think it's

958
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 4: very much, uh colored who I am as a person. Right.

959
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 4: Everybody's experiences turn them into who they are. For me,

960
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 4: it's just I have been in this role as you know,

961
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 4: an operator of this business for so long that Reality

962
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 4: TV truly feels like a lifetime ago.

963
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: Would you do it again?

964
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 4: No, because for me to be in Hollywood, to have

965
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 4: to constantly rely on the decision of other people, like

966
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 4: from a livelihood perspective, which just too stressful for me. Right.

967
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 4: I like to own and operate my own business because

968
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 4: it's on me to figure it out and to be successful.

969
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 4: When you're on television and when you're in entertainment, other

970
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 4: peopleeople are always pulling the strings, and for me, that

971
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 4: was a really uncomfortable position to be in. And so

972
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 4: that's really, you know why I don't think entertainment was

973
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 4: a sustainable career for me obviously, because I have a

974
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 4: platform and an audience. I do podcasts, I do panels,

975
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 4: I make Instagrams, which is you know, sort of in

976
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 4: the same zip code as entertainment.

977
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: Right.

978
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 4: It kind of all gets muddled these days because of

979
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 4: social media and content and things like that. But yeah,

980
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 4: Reality TV was always just like really a challenge for

981
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 4: me because I was not in control over the way

982
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 4: that the world saw me. And still now on TikTok,

983
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 4: people are like, you're the mean girl, Like, I'm like,

984
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 4: cud you guys for.

985
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: Twenty years, Like, come on, do you still ever feel

986
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 2: like you have to like defend the version that like

987
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: people saw.

988
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I'm pretty unbothered by it at this point.

989
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 4: Honestly mostly those common lets go.

990
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: It's just like, where's the anxiety? So obviously you have

991
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: the pressure and the anxieties of you know, just everyone

992
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 2: has that with life and work. Where do you think

993
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: because of your name and platform that you have, is

994
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: there still like a thread of that causes you anxiety?

995
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: Like I know, like sometimes things said. As much as

996
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: I can say I'm unbothered by it, it still hurts. It

997
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: still causes like a little you know, and I think

998
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 2: the thread through the anxiety. But I'm just curious if

999
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: you have the same or deal with.

1000
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean everybody, like I said, everyone is that

1001
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 4: is human at the end of the day. If somebody

1002
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 4: says that mean to you, that like cuts you down,

1003
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 4: of course, like it's gonna hurt a little bit. It

1004
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 4: can like open up old wounds and things of that nature.

1005
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 4: But I think it's just part of the experience of

1006
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 4: being a human. Like I don't think that my human

1007
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 4: experience is much different from anybody else on the planet,

1008
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 4: regardless of like like the context of it, right, Yeah,

1009
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: being on TV and like having this company that is

1010
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 4: a typical, right, But the experiences and the emotions that

1011
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 4: I feel are not very different from other people that

1012
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 4: you know have those emotions because of whatever it is

1013
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: that costs them, you know what I mean. So I

1014
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 4: am just like everybody else in that way. Like, of

1015
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 4: course I'm still sensitive, but you know, generally speaking, like

1016
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 4: I'm happy. I love going to work every day, like

1017
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 4: I love my job.

1018
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: And you got a new booth that makes you a smile.

1019
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: I saw a smile. It's not a key little smile.

1020
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: That's exciting, all right? Promoted away, girl, tell us where

1021
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: to get the book, where again your products and where

1022
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: people can find out more.

1023
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 4: Yes, So our big launch happening right now is that

1024
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 4: we are at Walmart in the Digestive Health Aisle. I

1025
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 4: would definitely recommend going to the Love Wellness site to

1026
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 4: our store later locator. We're in sixteen hundred Walmart stores

1027
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 4: and there's four thousand of them, so we're not Asian wide,

1028
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 4: so go find the one that's closer to your house.

1029
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 4: And again you can find us in the Digestive Health aisle.

1030
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 4: You can also find us at Target stores and wide,

1031
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 4: at Ulto stores nationwide, on Amazon, and Lovefalness dot com.

1032
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 4: And then all the social handles are just what you expect,

1033
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 4: would expect, love, wellness and love.

1034
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: And go get her book for your second book book. Yeah,

1035
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 2: there you go.

1036
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 3: I love that.

1037
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: I learned so much today.

1038
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm like a plan after baby, I'm going to get

1039
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: like by all this stuff all back to norm Yeah

1040
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: whatever my normal is that. But thank you so much

1041
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: for coming on the show girl. We appreciate it.

1042
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 4: Thank you, have a great day.

1043
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: By bye bye you