1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Welcome in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton show. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: As I look up on my quad box screen here 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: headline at CNN Supreme Court says it will give Trump 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: more control of government, signals it will give Trump more 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: control of government. Supreme Court poised to expand Trump's power 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: is the kron on Fox News on MSNBC Congress split 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: over deadly boat strikes. So I guess it's ms NOW 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: now ms now, MSNBC crazy people still trying to go 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: after Pete hegset. The other two are actually more interesting, 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: But the contextualization of it from both CNN and Fox 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: News I would actually take issue with only in the 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: context of it's not really Trump getting more power from 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. It's the president and every president from 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 1: here on out, which is why the precedent should matter. Well, 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: if you want Obama to have more power, if you 16 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: want Trump to have more power, if you want presidents 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: that we don't know, President Gavin Newsom, President Kamala Harris, 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: God forbid, maybe jd Vance, maybe Marco Rubio, whoever the 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: president's will be for the rest of our lives, they 20 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: will all have the same power here as Trump, and 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: I do think as we were finishing off the last hour. 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: This is a seismically substantial story as it pertains to 23 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: how all of this will play out. But a couple 24 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: of stories that are out there that I saw you 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: tweet about this Buck and it seems not necessarily like 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: a huge story, But I actually want to have a 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: discussion because I bet you feel the same way as me. 28 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: I think it actually goes to the essence of what 29 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: is and what is not acceptable to say in America 30 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: and what justification that then befalls you can be utilized 31 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to what you have said when it 32 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: comes to violence. And I see this story as directly 33 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: connecting to Charlie Kirk. I think it directly connects to 34 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: the Trump assassination attempts because at root, and I'm curious 35 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: if you would sign on for this, I think you 36 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: probably would. The reason why Charlie Kirk was assassinated and 37 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: the reason why they tried to kill Trump was because 38 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: of what they say. There was, in the case of 39 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: both assassins, a belief that the opinions of Trump the 40 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: opinions of Charlie Kirk were unacceptable and henceforth violence could 41 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: be justified as a result of what they said. This 42 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: is now becoming orthodox belief in many parts of America. 43 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: And I thought this case that you shared that I 44 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: was reading about over the weekend crystallized it. And you 45 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: may have more specifics, but here's my generalized case, criminally 46 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: of what happened. I believe this was too homeless people 47 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: in Portland, in the Portland area got into a dispute. 48 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: One guy happens to be black stabbed another guy happens 49 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: to be white, and the black guy's defense. Again, these 50 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 1: are both homeless individuals, to my best understanding. 51 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: Both it appears drugs unhoused. Just now the preferred nomenclature unhoused. 52 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with homeless. I think it's easier to say, 53 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: but yes, this would be unhoused. 54 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: We call them bums. Everyone would just say, is a 55 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: bummer a vagrant? And now it's different. 56 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Homeless I think is actually kind of kind and accurate. 57 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: And uh so, these two homeless guys who it appears 58 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: are as has often been the case of late and 59 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: Portland addicted to drugs, and they've made use of drugs 60 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: far easier in Portland, which almost everyone criminal drugs. Almost 61 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: everyone has acknowledged has made things worse, less safe, more, 62 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: more decay, more decrepitude. All of it is bad. And 63 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: even in Portland now they're saying, hey, maybe we shouldn't 64 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: be making it easier to shoot up with illegal drugs, 65 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: and maybe criminalizing drug possession and drug use was actually 66 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: a good idea. All of this discussion ongoing. Okay, Buck, 67 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: So two homeless drug addicts are in a fight. One 68 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: homeless drug addict stabs the other one and there is 69 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: a dispute. There's an acknowledgment. It's on video and there's audio, 70 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: and you can hear at least post stabbing one homeless guy, 71 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: the white guy, using the in word. Then you have 72 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: a defense that was offered of the homeless black guy 73 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: that because of the inwords use, that in some way 74 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 1: his violence the stabbing was justified. Jury found him not guilty. 75 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: So this is again some of you may not have 76 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: seen this story, you might not have been exposed to it, 77 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: but I do think this is a real litmus test case. 78 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: And you shared a tweet which I agree with, but 79 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: I think your overall take is well. 80 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: I completely disagree with the really zealously enforced standard that 81 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 2: there is only one word in the English language that 82 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: if you are white, or I guess if anyone who 83 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: is not black. There's only one word that you are 84 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 2: not allowed to say in any context whatsoever, to include 85 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: if you are a court stenographer reading back what someone 86 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: else has said, or if you are reading a transcript 87 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: of what someone else has said, or if you are 88 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: reading from a novel and the words of the author include, 89 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: you are not allowed to say it. That is absurd. 90 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: That is wrong, and that should change. Now this is 91 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 2: not to say that you should use that or any 92 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 2: slur to refer to any person. The usage of a 93 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: word is different than you can never even say a word. 94 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: If you say a word, you're a bad person. That 95 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 2: is bending the knee to something that we should That 96 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 2: is bending the need to a form of censorship. And 97 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: by the way, a form of censrist that based upon 98 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: skin color. Yes, which is it's wrong. And now I 99 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: people can try to argue. Anyone who tries to argue this, 100 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: they end up losing. They're wrong because it's absurd, the 101 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: whole thing. It's an absurd. This is like the people 102 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: who are arguing putting your mask on for walking to 103 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: the table during COVID. Somehow kept people safe when you 104 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: then sat there for two hours. No, you're just wrong. 105 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: This thing of you can't say a word ever is 106 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: so I just want to get that out there. 107 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: It's wrong. 108 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that you should call anyone any nasty word, 109 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: but particularly any racially inflammatory word. No, that's a wrong 110 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: thing to do. But I'm talking about you just can't 111 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: say it. 112 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: You can't. 113 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: In fact, it's so powerful that if you were found 114 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 2: to have said it in any context. You know, fifteen 115 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 2: years people get mad at Quentin Tarantino. Now do you 116 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: know this class Yeah, because the characters in his movies 117 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: use the word too often. That's what this has come to. 118 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: Everyone needs to grow up. There are words that you 119 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: shouldn't use to talk about people, but there are context 120 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: in which you need to be able to say any 121 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: word in the English language. The use of a word 122 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: is inherently not a bad thing, no matter what. Sorry, 123 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: that's just not that's not reality. So people need to 124 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: grow up on this a little bit. Okay, beyond that, 125 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: this is also really the only word that I am 126 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: familiar with where people will argue that violence against you 127 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: if you use the word is somehow justified. That is 128 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: also wrong. We live in a First Amendment society. We 129 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: live in a country where people are allowed to say words, 130 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: including mean and naughty words, and there is no exception 131 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: in the law for you said hate speech, you should 132 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: get stabbed. You said the naughty word, so you should 133 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: get stabbed. And people need that this needs to stop 134 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: and we need to stop dancing around this thing where 135 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: we don't make the argument based on print. 136 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: This is clearly a principled argument. 137 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: So about these two people, and one of the guys 138 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: had like a horrible con if the guy who got 139 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: stabbed it and got a horrible conviction on his record. 140 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: For uh yes, like representatives of American life. 141 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is not about picking a side 142 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: in this. Okay, these are two bums who got into 143 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: a fight. But the notion that a jury would excuse 144 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: the stabbing of somebody because he said a naughty word 145 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: is wrong. That is crazy, It is wrong, it is immoral, 146 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: and it is against our legal system. 147 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: And again it was the jury in Portland refused to 148 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: convict a guy for stabbing another person because basically the 149 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: argument is, when you get insulted in that way, you 150 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: can't control yourself to the extent that theoretically you could 151 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: get away with murder. And look, there are lots of 152 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: words we can't say on this radio because we're governed 153 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: by the FCC. No, you could have an argument about whether, 154 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: in this day and age, FCC restrictions on what you 155 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: and I can say and can't say should still exist. 156 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: If we utter curse words, there could be fines. I disagree, 157 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: by the way. I disagree with that too. I do too. 158 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: I complete, but we we serve you who listen, and 159 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 2: we wouldn't use those words because some of you are 160 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: with your kids. Some of you just prefer that people 161 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: not use words like that, so we would I wouldn't 162 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: use them anyway, Clay. But I disagree that a federal 163 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: government agency should be picking which words canon cannot be 164 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 2: said over the airwaves. I disagree with that. So I 165 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: have the same, but I'm still bound by it, right, 166 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: So like this is the like the other rule we're talking, 167 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: I'm still bound by that social rule that everyone else 168 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 2: is bound by. 169 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: I disagree with it. Two books ago, I wrote a 170 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: book called Republicans by Sneakers Too. I quoted Muhammad Ali 171 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: and he said, ain't and this is a ballpark, you know, 172 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: no one's ever called me a racial slur in Viet Kong. 173 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: No Viet Cong's ever called me a racial slur, and 174 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: I quoted that in the book. The publisher called me 175 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: and said, you can't use that word in your book 176 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: because you're a white guy. 177 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what I mean. That's the absurdity. I 178 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: don't even I forgot you told me about this. Yeah, 179 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: that is the absurdity of this. There's only one word 180 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: where this is the case. People need to grow up, okay, 181 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: and I show up. Words exist, People say words in 182 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: certain content. You're held responsible for the context of the 183 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: words you use, not just a word. That's crazy. 184 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: Using the actual quote is a significant part of understanding 185 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: the quote and being able to analyze the perspective. Because 186 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: I was writing about the nineteen sixty civil rights era 187 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: in sports and how it impacted the modern era, I said, no, 188 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that, and we got into 189 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: a huge dispute, went all the way up to multiple 190 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: levels of the publishing house over whether Muhammad Ali could 191 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: be quoted accurately in my book without dashes, because my 192 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: argument was, wait a minute, the F word is a quote, like, 193 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: we're not dashing it out you know there are other 194 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: curse words. Adults can read a book, and I think 195 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: the use of the actual quote is important here, and 196 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: so this is the step beyond word policing. This is 197 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: using words. A jury in Portland said, Hey, this word 198 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: was used and therefore violence was justified. This, to me 199 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: is exactly the left wing argument for Charlie Kirk or 200 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: President Trump. 201 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: I don't see. And so far as those are, Charlie 202 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: Kirk and Trump are political. I mean they represent a 203 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: political movement word. 204 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: But if you're willing to kill someone for what they say, 205 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: then you are presuming that words are violence and therefore 206 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: violence can be responsive to it. This jury logically heard 207 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: a bad word was used and violence was justified in 208 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: response to it. There are many people on the left 209 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: who heard the arguments that Trump and Charlie made and 210 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: they justified violence agnifit. 211 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: But the president also signs executive orders that actually use 212 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 2: state power. 213 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: I mean that there's a whole lot more than just 214 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: the words that Trump uses. Totally, but you don't think 215 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: that the motivation to kill the president and try to 216 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: kill him was based on his arguments and the justification 217 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: for why that was okay, Same thing for Brett Kavanaugh is. 218 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: But I'm saying there's there's an action component to Trump 219 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: that I think we also. I mean, there's massive actions 220 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: to being president. It's not just words right now. 221 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: It's a little bit truly, But the justification to kill 222 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: is if you are willing to buy into the idea 223 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: that a word can keep somebody out of prison and 224 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: even justify the attack, then you're willing to say words 225 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: are violence, which I think is a strong premise of 226 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: the left in this country right now. I think we 227 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: have to push back against it. I think there's a 228 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: closer analogous case right now. Isn't there a. 229 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: Woman who is being prosecuted for disorderly she's like a 230 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: playground mom, like a mom on the playground, and she 231 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: called the kid, Yes, I thought you said the word 232 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: you can't say. Yeah, right, she said the word you 233 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: can't say. And now they're prosecuting her for disorderly conduct. 234 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: But they're really just prosecuting her for saying the words 235 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: you can't say, right. Yeah, this is what's actually so 236 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: I disagree with this. I disagree with this. It's just 237 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: across the board. 238 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: And by the way, if you happen to be a 239 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: Trump supporter and somebody says something naughty to you, you 240 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: don't get the right to stab them. You don't get 241 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: the right to shoot them. Words are not violence, And 242 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: we have allowed a world to exist where now a 243 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: jury is actually willing to vote non guilty not guilty 244 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: entirely based on this was self defense because of word choices. 245 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: And we're not even sure the guy said it beforehand. 246 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: They only have him on video saying it afterwards. So 247 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: he got stabbed and then he insulted the guy. There 248 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: are a lot of. 249 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: Examples you could point to where people, especially if they 250 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,359 Speaker 2: get into a fight and things escalate, it gets really vineland. 251 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: And if it involves somebody who is black, there will 252 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: be a claim of oh, well he said a racial slur, 253 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: because yeah, that if you said he called me a 254 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: you know, a stupid you know, a stupid head, or 255 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: even you know, a bleeping bleep or whatever, that won't. 256 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 2: But if if you use the naughty word and you 257 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: got stabbed or shot, well that then then you were 258 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: asking for it. No, that's wrong. So you and I 259 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: see this totally the same way. On that I I don't, 260 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: and I don't know why. I think this is one 261 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: of these last areas where there's still people are there's 262 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: still like a little cringing around it, like oh, but 263 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: but no, but that word. 264 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: No again. 265 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: If you call someone that word, you're a jerk and 266 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: you're you're doing something that is unethical and wrong. But 267 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: we shouldn't have a situation where you have to have 268 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: it removed from your book, where you're quoting somebody else 269 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: that that's crazy. 270 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: This makes no sense. This is just this is some 271 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: kind of bending the knee to like. 272 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: A left wing power structure in this country, and we 273 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: shouldn't do that. 274 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: Agreed, one hundred percent. You know what you could do? 275 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: You play along sports with us at price picks, pricepicks 276 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: dot com code clay. You get fifty dollars when you 277 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: play five dollars. 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Look, they basically. 305 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: Can Usually usually a judge can set aside a jury verdict, 306 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: but they're very very unlikely to do so unless there's 307 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: a really clear cause I think. But while that's accurate, 308 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 2: they usually judges overturn verdicts more so in civil cases 309 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: than they do criminal cases, because they want the jury 310 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: to make the decision in a criminal case. And here 311 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: what is basically being argued is that this individual felt 312 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: the need to engage in self defense because of the 313 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 2: racial slur. 314 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: A strong jury said I got one for you. 315 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: Here you go a judge and Oregon an Oregon X 316 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: comes through right away. Can overturn a criminal jury verdict 317 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: through a judgment of acquittal if there's legally insufficient and 318 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 2: evidence for a conviction, or if the verdict violates constitutional right, 319 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: but that's. 320 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: Very that's a conviction. An acquittal is very rarely overturned 321 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: because the judge wants the jury to be able to 322 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: make the decision. I can't ever remember a case in 323 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: my mind where a judge said the jury didn't have 324 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: the right to it. 325 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: Cannot overturn a not guilty verdict. You're right on that one. 326 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: Not or not guilty. You got a little bit of 327 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 2: a legal lesson there, Gene. But that's the answer. 328 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: We'll talk more about this because we're getting a lot 329 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: of reaction pouring in from it. 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Black homeless guy is charged with a crime. 348 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: Probably I haven't seen a breakdown of the jury, but 349 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 1: based on the population in Portland, almost certainly a substantially 350 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: majority white jury says, hey, you know what, that's justified 351 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: because they bought the argument that the white homeless person 352 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: had called the black guy a the nword. Now, we 353 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: had a caller Gene who was like, hey, could the 354 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: judge toss this? The answer is no. Almost never can 355 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: a judge toss a not guilty verdict, And there are 356 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: only very limited exceptions. For instance, if a defendant bought 357 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: off a juror and we became aware, then the case 358 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: would not get the not guilty verdict would just lead 359 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: to a new trial. You wouldn't be able to say, actually, 360 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: this guy's guilt. Now again, this gets into the weeds. 361 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: There are cases where judges can you'll have an emotion 362 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: for a judgment notwithstanding the verdict, where the judge can 363 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: look at it and say the evidence does not support 364 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: a conviction, but it can only be beneficial to the defendant. 365 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: Not something where the judge suddenly waives his magic wand 366 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: and says I'm deeming you guilty because you have right 367 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: to a jury trial. Now, I asked buck off Air, 368 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 1: I was reading about this recently, why do we have 369 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: twelve jurors? I don't know how many of you have 370 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: ever thought set around in thought, why is a jury standard, 371 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: especially in criminal cases, twelve jurors. The derivation legally appears 372 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: to go all the way back to a British king 373 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: in the eighth century who said, hey, because of the 374 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: twelve Apostles, twelve is the right number, so we are 375 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: going to have twelve. Because it used to be and 376 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: this was really kind of a tough time, they would 377 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: just let the trial be, Hey, we're gonna throw you 378 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: in the you know, we're gonna throw you in the water. 379 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: And if you don't sink, then God is saying you're innocent. 380 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: If you sink, then God is saying that you're guilty. 381 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: Instead of a jury of your peers, they would have 382 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: so called trial by Sometimes you had to carry around 383 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: a you know, like a hot, scalding iron in your hand, 384 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: and if you I mean this crazy stuff that used 385 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: to go on. But around the eighth century, a king 386 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 1: in England and then this was codified into the colonies 387 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: through common law, which, for those of you out there 388 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: who don't know, most of American common law is rooted 389 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: in British jurisprudence and has grown into its own legacy 390 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: of the law here in America. A bunch of people 391 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: with comments out there, Ryan in Columbus, Ohio is asking 392 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: what is a logical response to the precedent said in 393 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: this case, Ryan fire Away. 394 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm just curious, so where do we draw the 395 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 3: line and who draws the line on speech that qualifies 396 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: his violence? You know, am I just fed in violence? 397 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: If someone calls me a racist or a Nazi up 398 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 3: until and including killing someone. 399 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: This is the question, right, And this is why both 400 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: Buck and I find it so important to distinguish between 401 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: words and violence. And remember here this is significant. It's 402 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: the jury that bought the argument. So you can say, hey, 403 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: it's not surprising at all given a Portland jury. I mean, 404 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: this is believe this is a left wing belief. You 405 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: have to believe this like this. This is why the 406 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: defense attorney went with this version of his defense for 407 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: his client, because he believed that this jury would be susceptible. 408 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: So you can be upset at the result. I think 409 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: it's a ridiculous result, but understand that twelve jurors in 410 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: Portland found this to be compelling, which is why. Honestly, 411 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: this ties in with my argument buck about why we 412 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: have such kangaroo court systems in Washington DC. You have 413 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: the same kind of super left wing jurors in Washington, 414 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: d C. Which Democrats have used to rig the political 415 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: process by using all of their prosecution in federal courts. 416 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: In Washington DC, you do not get a jury of 417 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: your peers. This is not a normal group of people. 418 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 1: This is far left wing ediologus who will throw you 419 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: in prison. We just saw it with all the jan 420 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: six cases. I think there was what was it called 421 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: Japlinski v. New Hampshire, which was the Fighting Words Supreme 422 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: Court Fighting Words doctrine where there are words that can 423 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: immediately provoke violence. This ended up being not overturned specifically, 424 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: but jurisprudence changed after this. When this is one of 425 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: the earlier nineteen forty two case. 426 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 4: UH. 427 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: Unprotected speech, uh, I disagree. I disagree with that. I 428 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: think people can say the meanest words they want to say, 429 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 2: you're not allowed to knock their teeth out in response. Sorry, 430 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: and most of us were raised in the I don't 431 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 2: know I have used it with my kids. I don't 432 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: know how many kids they use it with today. But 433 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: I bet Buck you were raised with sticks and stones 434 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. 435 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean, every kid, at some point in time comes 436 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: to mom or dad somebody has said something super mean, 437 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: super unkind. The reality is words can hurt, words can harm. 438 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: But this is I think the essence of one of 439 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: the issues that we're getting wrong with the whole concept 440 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: of coddling the American mind is the idea that if 441 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: someone says something that you find to be hurtful, that 442 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: the way to handle that is by shutting down their 443 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: right to speech. And Bryan and Columbus is asking that question, 444 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: which I think is a good one, which is how 445 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: do you draw that line? Ultimately, the jury said, basicly, 446 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: it's a get out of jail free card. If a 447 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: racial slur is used, no black man can restrain himself. 448 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: It's actually insulting, I think, to black men, because it 449 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: presumes that they don't have the willpower to deal with 450 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: people saying mean things to them and must act irrationally 451 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: and violently as a result. That's the entire premise of 452 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: the defense. Here Bill in New Jersey gg A wo 453 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: R listener play it. 454 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 5: I don't know what it was like when you guys 455 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 5: were going up, and you're quite a bit younger than 456 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 5: I am. But when I was a kid, the line 457 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 5: was sticks and stones may break my bones, but words 458 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 5: will never hurt me. We need a little more of 459 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 5: that around the world these days. 460 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: I didn't even see that talk back. He's preaching to 461 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: the choir. That's exactly what I just said. Trucker Mike 462 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: in Arizona. We love when our truckers reach out, says 463 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: and he has a premise that is not dissimilar to 464 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: the caller we just had. Ff. 465 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 4: Let me get this straight. So someone calls me, I'm 466 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 4: a white man, I don't care what color I. 467 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: Am, but just let you know I'm a white man. 468 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 4: So someone call me white trash crackers, a humpy trailer 469 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 4: trash tweaker. Whatever, does that give me justification to stab 470 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 4: them and injure them. That's the same damn thing. It's 471 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 4: just pass the night. 472 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: It's stupid. I agree. 473 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: If you get one hundred. 474 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: Percent, yeah, totally look pretty good. Pretty good. H logic 475 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: A lot of times, Buck pretty good common sense. Sometimes 476 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: people say mean things to truckers in traffic. It happens 477 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: so and they realize that they just have to keep 478 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: on trucking. They can't stop and beat them to death 479 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: because they don't like the thing that the guy said 480 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: to them from the windshield of his Hyundai or whatever. 481 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: And sometimes truckers get behind Buck Sexton driving twenty four 482 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: miles an hour in a forty five, and they may 483 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: even say mean things to Buck, but that doesn't mean 484 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: as they sit there having to constantly hit their brake 485 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: because Miss Daisy is driving in front of them. 486 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: I'm glad that some of us care about safety on 487 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: these roads. You know, not all heroes wear capes. Some 488 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: of us are a little heavy on the break. 489 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: Brandon in Milwaukee, HH, what you. 490 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 6: Got As far as that word goes, I remember back 491 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 6: in high school evan to read huck finn and even 492 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 6: when that word came on the paper, you felt uncomfortable 493 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 6: saying it, and it should be uncomfortable because it's a 494 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 6: terrible word, but completely getting rid of its existence, I 495 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 6: think it's kind of dangerous because then it doesn't highlight 496 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 6: how terrible the times were when that word was popular, 497 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 6: so got to be terrible. 498 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: I think that's a good and look, I would just 499 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: go back in time. George Carlin is dead now. I 500 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: think George Carlin, legendary comedian, would have been fairly classified 501 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: some of you can correct me if I'm wrong, as 502 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: a left leaning comic right. In other words, I think 503 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: his politics would have tended to lean left. Maybe I'm wrong, 504 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: but he did his entire was it seven words you 505 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: can't say based on television, which, by the way, we 506 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: still can't say on the FCC. And it became very, 507 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: very popular in the parlance, I believe, in the nineteen 508 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: seventies because it illustrated the absurdity of trying to define 509 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: words and how they're used. Context matters. You know, words 510 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: are used. I mean, some of the most popular rap 511 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: songs in America use the N word twenty times in 512 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: a you know, a two minute clip. And nowadays college kids, 513 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: you see this happen all the time. Some college kid 514 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: is on video doing karaoke, rapping along to a popular song. 515 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: It's not intended to be a racial slur. And then 516 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: the next thing you know, people are trying to cancel them, 517 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: or they go on social media and they post lyrics 518 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: to a popular rap song and the next thing, you know, 519 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: ten years later, somebody's like, oh my god, can you 520 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: believe what this person posted when they were fourteen? Defining 521 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: word used without analyzing context, I mean, think about this. 522 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: There's a huge difference between the way we use the 523 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: F word. It could be a compliment that was, you know, 524 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: as an adjective, you know, effing unbelievable as a positive. 525 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: It can also mean an insult. Right, we use context 526 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: to analyze. But whatever words you use, this should be 527 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: something that all adults should be behind. Violence should not 528 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: be the response. Now if someone says their exceptions to 529 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: this is the angry words thing. Buck. If somebody says 530 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you and they start to reach 531 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: into their waistband and you think to yourself, oh my goodness, 532 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: they may have a gun. A words that are accompanied 533 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: by action that would suggest violence might be coming can 534 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: be a legitimate self defense mechanism. So, but that's not 535 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: words standing alone. It's words in the context of the 536 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: possibility of a threat of physical violence. And I would 537 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: just say all of this goes to are we going 538 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: to treat adults like adults or are we going to 539 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: run wreaking in the opposite direction when words that appear 540 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: in our delicate ears are considered to be unacceptable. But 541 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: this is all. 542 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 2: You know that there is no real ethical standard being 543 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: applied here because the word is so terrible. 544 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: But some people can use it but in super popular 545 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: songs that make them tens of millions of. 546 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: Dollars, right, yeah, I mean a lot of comedians for 547 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: the last three two or three decades that that's like 548 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: the favorite word that they use when they're on stage 549 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: all the time. But so they can do it all 550 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: the time, but you do it, your life should be ruined. No, 551 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, disagree, disagree just flatly. That is a that 552 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: is a social really a socially enforced law of sorts. 553 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: That is wrong. It's just wrong. 554 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: So and I the only way that it's going to 555 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: get broken, unfortunately, and this is going to really is 556 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: that people are going to start to be more liberal 557 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: with it with the use of that word. And some 558 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: people who are liberal with it, by the way, are 559 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 2: not going to be good people who are doing it 560 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: in a well intentioned way. But they're gonna hide me. 561 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: They're gonna say, see double standards. I'm breaking the double 562 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: standard by you. You know, this is how these things go. Well, 563 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: you know, the censorship and these things. It does not end. 564 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 2: It does not end the way that the people in 565 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: charge of the censorship usually wanted to. All Right, look, 566 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: if you believe in the life of a child, an 567 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: unborn child, then you share my anguish thinking about what's 568 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 2: happening to children's lives lost to abortion day in and 569 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 2: day out. 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We love all of you who have signed up. 624 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: We are not affiliated. This is quite the pivot with 625 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett, whose CBS News is reporting, has filed her 626 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: paperwork to run for the Senate in the state of Texas, 627 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: so that news. I think she's going to have a 628 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: press conference a little bit later today. My bet is 629 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: that we will be talking about it some because it's March, 630 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: so it's here in four months, three months. Basically, you're 631 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: going to be able and going out and voting for 632 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: your representatives in the primary, both Democrat and Republican. And 633 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: there's been a real battle on the Republican side, but 634 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: now there's going to be a real battle on the 635 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: Democrat side. And I I bet everybody out there is 636 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: hoping that Jasmine Crockett is the nominee because I believe 637 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: there is a zero percent chance that she could win 638 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: statewide office in Texas. But to me, Buck this is 639 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: indicative of her trying to become a bigger force in 640 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party in general, and there will be a 641 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: spotlight on the Senate race in Texas and she is 642 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,479 Speaker 1: deciding to put her name more firmly into the camp. 643 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: Here's a prediction. I bet she runs for president in 644 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. Even if she loses this Senate race. 645 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: I think she will put her name in and she 646 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: will try to run to be president of the United States. 647 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 2: I think, like I've said, there's nothing but upside for 648 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 2: her to do. So, Kamala, not to keep going back 649 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 2: to this, but Kamala, I'm not feeling awesome about my 650 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 2: prediction these days because of the polls that I'm seeing. 651 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 2: But I will say with her Clay, it's just a 652 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 2: question because I want to move on past the and 653 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 2: can they find can the machine find some way to 654 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 2: buy her off, so to speak, to make her stand 655 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 2: aside so they can have it free, because otherwise things 656 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 2: between her and Gavin Newsom will get very messy. There's 657 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 2: there's a I could see why Democrats wouldn't want her. 658 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: This is my thing. I wouldn't want her involved Jasmine Crockett. 659 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 2: Why not raises her brand, raises her value in the 660 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 2: political marketplace as a as a name, you know, the 661 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 2: name recognition, So yeah, I'm not surprised. 662 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that tomorrow. We also tease, let's get 663 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: into this tomorrow. We can have some fun with it, Buck, 664 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: because I do think it's a good debate and I 665 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: think it's an interesting one. I bet there's a lot 666 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: of parents, grandparents, maybe even teenagers out there that want away. 667 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: In Australia has banned everybody sixteen and under from being 668 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: able to use social media. Good move, bad move will 669 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: discuss because I do think it's a significant decision that 670 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: could have parallels in other countries. Thanks all of you, 671 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: we'll be back with you Tuesday.