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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Oh, welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: Show Thursday edition of the program. Hope all of you

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Speaker 1: are having a fantastic early start to the weekend. I

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Speaker 1: know it's also the holiday season. Probably a lot of you,

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Speaker 1: like me, Christmas parties. You're running around to everything else.

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Speaker 1: But last night, Buck, I left a Christmas party Kelly,

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Speaker 1: friend of the family having a Christmas party, went DVR

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Speaker 1: in the first thirty minutes or so caught up. I

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Speaker 1: knew there would be commercial, so I wanted to make

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Speaker 1: sure that I watched the whole first two hours of

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Speaker 1: that debate. I thought DeSantis and Viveke were clearly the

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Speaker 1: best two on the stage. You can agree or disagree

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Speaker 1: with Viveke because he is I think quite polarizing. I

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Speaker 1: would also suggest, and I'm curious whether this would reflect

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Speaker 1: as well. I think Viveke is very popular online. I

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Speaker 1: wonder how the Veke translate sometimes to the older community

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Speaker 1: that is likely to be voting. That is, his brashness

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Speaker 1: and youth seen as a positive or negative by that

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Speaker 1: voting group. You and I Buck both really like Vivike

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Speaker 1: he's been on the program a lot. I'm sure he'll

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Speaker 1: be on again. But I thought DeSantis and Vivek clearly

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Speaker 1: the best two on the stage. I thought Chris Christie

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Speaker 1: was the worst, and I thought Nicki Haley had her

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Speaker 1: worst debate performance. I would put them on the backside

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Speaker 1: of this. But the question that we are taking from

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Speaker 1: you is what did you see, what stood out? What

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Speaker 1: was illuminating in some form or fashion to all of you?

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred and two A two two eight A two.

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Speaker 1: And then also building on this, now that we're down

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Speaker 1: to three, I think it's fair to say we're down

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Speaker 1: to three. Viveke, Nikki and h and DeSantis. Those are

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Speaker 1: the three that are going to be on the stage

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Speaker 1: January tenth in Iowa. I will be surprised if Chris

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Speaker 1: Christi makes it on that stage. I think Chris Christy's

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Speaker 1: gonna have to now that this debate is over. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he goes back for the holiday season. Probably he talks

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Speaker 1: with Nicky Haley and Ron DeSantis's team. I would think

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Speaker 1: he would talk with both and certainly with both of

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Speaker 1: those candidates, and then decide, hey, what sort of endorsement

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Speaker 1: would make the most sense. And I think that's where

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Speaker 1: Chris Christy is, So that would leave three. Does it

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Speaker 1: make sense as you get down to three vivate Nicky

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Speaker 1: Haley and Ron DeSantis. Does it make sense for Trump

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Speaker 1: to re emerge and get on the debate stage at

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Speaker 1: some point or does he not need to debate all

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Speaker 1: the way through the entirety of the primary season. My

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Speaker 1: argument for why he should is, I do think it

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Speaker 1: would help him in the general be able to argue, hey,

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Speaker 1: I got up and debate it in the Republican primary

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Speaker 1: at some point when you're down to the finalists, and

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Speaker 1: that would at least be somewhat compelling when because I

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Speaker 1: think Buck's been right on this, that Biden's going to

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Speaker 1: try to say, oh, that's too dangerous for the country

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Speaker 1: for me to platform what Donald Trump would be saying.

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Speaker 1: So do you think that would help him in some

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Speaker 1: way if he takes the stage during the Republican primary?

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Speaker 1: In that argument, it should help him.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it will, meaning I don't think

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Speaker 2: Biden's team is going to care. I think that they

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Speaker 2: whatever they think will help them when that is all

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Speaker 2: they care about. That is all that matters. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: beyond that. And so fair play doesn't even really come

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Speaker 2: into the conversation. So yeah, it should matter. My take

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Speaker 2: is it won't matter, and Biden is not going to

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Speaker 2: debate period. It's just it's all risk from what their

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Speaker 2: plan is going to be with Biden, from the perspective

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Speaker 2: of I think how they're gonna roll this whole thing out,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be all the things we've talked about

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Speaker 2: Trump or I mean, assuming it's Trump, it'll be the

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Speaker 2: end of democracy and Biden will just be giving speeches.

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Speaker 1: And it goes to.

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Speaker 2: Their argument that we he's too danger in jurists for

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Speaker 2: us to even debate him. Now will that work?

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Speaker 1: Again?

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Speaker 2: This is where it always comes down to. They miscalculated

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Speaker 2: unimaginably in twenty sixteen, The whole Democrat media industrial complex

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Speaker 2: didn't see what was coming. And in the famous phrase

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Speaker 2: I think it's from Selina Zito, they took Trump literally

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Speaker 2: and not literally. They made a huge error in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: They might be making the same thing now. All that said,

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Speaker 2: much that really matters, though, I'm very jaded, cynical, whatever

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Speaker 2: you want to say when it comes to debates in

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Speaker 2: a general election having a big impact.

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Speaker 1: Mitt Romney.

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Speaker 2: If you don't believe me, go back and watch it.

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Speaker 2: Mitt Romney destroyed Barack Obama in twenty twelve so badly

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Speaker 2: in the general election. So you know, it doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: I saw this and I wanted. I know, we've given

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Speaker 1: compliments to Van Jones a CNN before. Did you see

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Speaker 1: that he was He says he was shaking because Vivek

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Speaker 1: was one step away from Nazi propaganda. This is how

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Speaker 3: When those people were saying Jews will not replace us.

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Speaker 3: That slogan sits on top of a very sick and

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Speaker 3: twisted view that if you bring enough people of color here,

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Speaker 3: so unwanted, that we will be zombies to fill out

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Speaker 3: the ranks for some Democratic Party agenda. That Jewish people

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Speaker 3: are manipulating and driving forward that leads to violence. And

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Speaker 3: the smug, condescending way that he just spews this poison

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Speaker 3: he's going to outlivet Trump by about fifty years. And

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Speaker 3: you're watching the as an American demagogue. That is a

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Speaker 3: very very despicable person. I was I was shaking listening

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Speaker 3: to him talk because a lot of people don't know

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Speaker 3: that is one step away from Nazi propaganda coming out

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of say that the Nazis weren't big on

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Speaker 2: brown people immigrating into their country, and and Vivec is

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Speaker 2: we're going to say Vivac is like a Charlottesville white supremacist.

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Speaker 1: This is this is where we're heading. That's what that's

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Speaker 2: Does it get crazier? I mean you have to start

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Speaker 2: wondering at what point has it crossed the threshold where

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Speaker 2: it makes because I would really want to ask him

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Speaker 2: what he's saying is that that THEVEC is a proponent

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Speaker 1: Yes, as as as clearly as any person could be.

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Speaker 1: But he's but he's he's.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder, how does anyone watching at home at

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Speaker 2: CNN not see this and say, I'll tell you. Van

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Speaker 2: Must just be an emotional shambles about what's going on

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Speaker 1: I think you can attack Vivek on a variety of

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Speaker 1: different angles as you can attack any politician to suggest

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Speaker 1: that he is a Nazi is I mean, they're bereft

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Speaker 1: back to Charlottesville. Good Ward. There's a Charlottesville happening in

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Speaker 1: are people chanting anti genocide. It's a very important point.

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Speaker 2: Channing for genocide of the Jewish people and the Democrat

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Speaker 1: And we had a big discussion about I mean, remember

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Speaker 1: Hold on saying that you want to eradicate Jews from

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Speaker 1: and you're not using that as a talking point, which

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Speaker 1: charlott Attsville and you're trying to connect a brown skinned

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Speaker 2: What he's saying, is that the brown skinned immigrant to

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Speaker 2: But you know, there's always this thing whenever you have

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Speaker 2: as we have seen, you know, the Jewish Americans have

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Speaker 2: Who's one of the most brilliant conservative writers of your

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Speaker 2: So with all that I hadn't heard that Van Jones

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Speaker 2: The Atlantic and the New York Times. So trump term

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Speaker 2: is going to be fascism, Hitler, all this stuff. Emotionally stable,

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Speaker 2: reasonable people hear that and basically dismiss it for a

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe this is just about the left wants

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Speaker 2: And that's the rule book, or rather the playbook they're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why I circle back to is this

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Speaker 1: the right call to give CNN arguably the two most

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Speaker 1: the first Republican debates the most important, the one that

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Speaker 1: But I think when you're talking about doing a debate

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Speaker 1: the way, I thought it was really funny, but also

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Speaker 1: I didn't expect it to be so heartwarming at the end.

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Speaker 1: For people who don't know, this is the Daily Wire comedy.

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Speaker 1: Both Riley and I are in. We went to the

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Speaker 1: premiere on Wednesday at here in Nashville, our hometowns. What

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Speaker 1: did you think of it?

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Speaker 5: You know, when they initially reached out to me to

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Speaker 5: be a part of this, I said no. I thought

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Speaker 5: to myself, you know, I don't want to make fun

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Speaker 5: of mclighthearted of an issue I take very seriously. I

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Speaker 5: didn't think it would be a good look, and at

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Speaker 5: the time, of course, I didn't think it would be

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Speaker 5: appropriate to laugh at this, But I prayed about it

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Speaker 5: is what I did, and I thought about it, and

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Speaker 5: after doing those things, I thought to myself, this is

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Speaker 5: a actually exactly what we need, and it's what the

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Speaker 5: left does so well. They've overtaken the public square in

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Speaker 5: just about every realm, of course, academia of corporate America,

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Speaker 5: of course in entertainment as well. It's time we fight back,

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Speaker 5: and the way we fight back is with smiles on

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Speaker 5: our faces. And so I ended up calling back the

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Speaker 5: day before filming. They had already I mean, it was

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Speaker 5: amazing they were even able to accommodate anymore. And I

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Speaker 5: told them, after thinking about it, I would love to

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Speaker 5: be a part. And of course they did a phenomenal job,

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Speaker 5: not just with the production and the acting, but you're

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Speaker 5: exactly right. The storyline was incredible and I got choked

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Speaker 5: up at several points throughout, and Clay, it was actually

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Speaker 5: your character that had me choked up at first in

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Speaker 5: the movie, because you were the character that no one

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Speaker 5: had in real life. We didn't have a coach who

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Speaker 5: was willing to say no and stand up for us.

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Speaker 5: And that's, of course, like I said, the character you played,

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Speaker 5: and so watching that, I wish we had that, But

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Speaker 5: it was amazing. I couldn't have been more impressed with

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Speaker 5: with with what they did with that film.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for people who don't know, I play a women's

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Speaker 1: basketball coach who when boys come out pretending to be girls,

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Speaker 1: I just you know, say no, no, no, and like

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Speaker 1: and call out the farce of it, which, as you

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of coaches out there who are cowards

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Speaker 1: when they're confronted by this. Speaking of cowardice. Also this week,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure I know you've seen the clips we

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Speaker 1: say that it's not actually hate speech, that it doesn't

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Speaker 1: violate codes. You're going all over the country speaking on

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Speaker 1: college campuses, and I couldn't help but think about that

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Speaker 1: from your perspective. They won't let you many of these

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Speaker 1: universities freely speak and say men shouldn't be able to

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Speaker 1: their speech codes. But they're fine with people walking around

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Speaker 1: calling for the genocide of Jews. That had to strike

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Speaker 1: you also as pretty unbelievable to hear what you heard

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Speaker 1: in that hearing as well.

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Speaker 5: Gosh, this hearing was the same day as as my hearing,

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Speaker 5: and so I was on Capitol Hill watching and man,

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Speaker 5: I will tell you, I was so taken aback because

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Speaker 5: I'm sitting there listening to this, and it occurred to

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Speaker 5: me it only took the beheading, the rape, the torture,

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Speaker 5: the killing of innocent people for these prestigious or what

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Speaker 5: used to be considered prestigious universities. It only took those

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Speaker 5: things for these universities to finally stand for free speech.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it was not only is it disheartening,

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Speaker 5: I think it's actually incredibly chilling. It's a pretty scary

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Speaker 5: sign that universities that's what it takes for them to

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Speaker 5: stand for our freedoms as Americans. But you're exactly right me.

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Speaker 5: I've been canceled off these universities. Harvard tried to cancel

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Speaker 5: my speech. I wasn't allowed to speak at Penn State

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Speaker 5: it's mind blowing and I don't know how more people

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Speaker 5: don't see it. I don't know how more people on

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Speaker 5: the left aren't calling this what it is, which again

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Speaker 5: is blatant anti semitism. That's clear as day. And of

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Speaker 5: course after this hearing, what I thought to be interesting

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Speaker 5: is each and every one of these presidents from these

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Speaker 5: universities then took to their social medias to post. You know,

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Speaker 5: let me be clear, we don't stand with genocide or

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Speaker 5: calls for genocide. But I can guarantee you what caused

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Speaker 5: that was. Of course they had to have they got

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Speaker 5: to get a teleprompter in front of them. But also

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Speaker 5: I'm sure they were getting calls from their from donors

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Speaker 5: and different things because the public is outraged by this,

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Speaker 5: and rightfully so.

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Speaker 2: Riley gains everybody. Riley heap up the fight. Always appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for making time for us here today.

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Speaker 5: I certainly will and thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Riley also, by the way, has a podcast

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Speaker 1: some of the clips of that testimony. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: already seen it. And you know a big part of

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Speaker 1: why men, and this is no great shock, have a

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Speaker 1: advantage when it comes to athletics. Why men are bigger, stronger,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for rolling with us everybody, and we said we

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Speaker 2: take calls. Let's do it. I'm not gonna fill abus here.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get right to all of you across this

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Speaker 2: up Brandon, Hey, guys, thank you for what you do.

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Speaker 6: You've got a big following here in Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: And we love you, guys, and we appreciate thank you.

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Speaker 2: We are both quite fond of the state of Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that thank you.

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Speaker 6: Wanted to make a point about the debate last night,

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Speaker 6: or not necessarily make a point that wanted to get

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Speaker 6: your thoughts on the point that was made. But vick

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Speaker 6: Ramswami said that if he's elected, he would reverse what

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Speaker 6: Congress did in saying that the pharmaceutical companies couldn't be

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Speaker 6: sued over the side effect of the vaccine. I thought

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Speaker 6: that was a great point, you know, loving or hating.

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Speaker 4: I get the great point.

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Speaker 6: I just want to see what you all thought.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to me also because you know, if you

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Speaker 2: can decide that there's like a change in the law

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Speaker 2: so that you can sue people for sexual assault, even

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Speaker 2: though it would have been statue to limitations covered and

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Speaker 2: then you say, I would assume a similar approach could

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Speaker 2: be taken to the immunity given to the vaccine makers.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think Pfiser and Maderna would both potentially have

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Speaker 1: been bankrupted if they were able to be sued over

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Speaker 1: these COVID shots. And I know the State of Texas

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Speaker 1: and other state attorney generals are now beginning their own investigations. Now,

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Speaker 1: the challenge here is I agree with the vacant theory,

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Speaker 1: and I agree with Ken Paxton, the Attorney General of Texas.

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Speaker 2: Pfiser makes a lot of heart medication for a lot

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Speaker 2: of Americans. Play there's you know, this is this is

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Speaker 2: where we start to get into there are drugs that

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Speaker 2: people need. I know, big farmers become a very hated

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Speaker 2: target on the right here for a while. And you

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Speaker 2: know Tucker's been talking. Tucker's been talking about this on

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Speaker 2: his show where it's like the biggest advertiser on TV.

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Speaker 1: But you know.

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Speaker 2: People do need well, there's to help with hypertension, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are drugs and we don't want them

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Speaker 2: all being made in China. We actually don't want that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're assets to the extent that they have drugs

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Speaker 1: that they that they produce that do provide a great

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Speaker 1: deal of value. Would still in my concept, right when

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I mean, when we found out that

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Speaker 2: in this country in large scale anymore, different kinds of antibiotics,

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Speaker 2: they're all brought in from abroad. Do you want to

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Speaker 2: talk about having a manufacturing base in this country, having

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Speaker 2: a pharmaceutical manufacturing base. I think it's important too.

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Speaker 1: I think they used, They used to do a lot

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Speaker 1: of them in Puerto Rico, actually, because I believe there

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Speaker 2: They are US citizens, so.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know what the latest on that has been.

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Speaker 1: But in general, my position would be, given that we

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Speaker 1: guaranteed them a profit on a product, and I mean

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Speaker 1: and then they delivered a product which did not fulfill

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Speaker 1: what they said it would. I think it was fraudulent.

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Speaker 1: We demanded it was Operation Morphs. We demanded the product.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to be the one. It shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have been forced on people, and we were lied to

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Speaker 1: about it. And I don't think no one could claim

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Speaker 1: that they hate Fauci, and Fauci is more than I do,

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Speaker 1: and the whole fact but you look at this, put

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Speaker 2: On the radio hat on.

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Speaker 1: It gets real tough. When you have the FED.

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Speaker 2: They would have the top of the federal government saying

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Speaker 2: we're all gonna die unless you make this product as

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Speaker 2: fast as possible. Make it as fast as possible's and

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Speaker 2: then they.

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Speaker 1: Would have elite lawyers who would say, when you change

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Speaker 1: the law ex post facto, that's not permissible. And I

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Speaker 2: With that concept, which is actually why I brought up

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Speaker 2: this thing about everyone can now be sued for you know,

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Speaker 2: thirty years ago they grabbed someone, or they allegedly did

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Speaker 2: something or whatever it is. You know, changing laws to

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Speaker 2: suit the moment is is something that we should.

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Speaker 1: Be wary of.

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Speaker 2: Catherine another another Tennessee caller, Catherine and Chattanooga. What's up, Catherine,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 7: I'm glad you liked Tennessee, and so you seem to

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Speaker 7: be getting a lot of calls from US today, which

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Speaker 7: is good for you. I wanted to comment about the

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Speaker 7: uh the debate. I really, my gut says this. President

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Speaker 7: Trump is not so much a Republican presidential candidate as

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Speaker 7: he is the leader of a national movement. That's what

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Speaker 7: Gingridge had said, and I totally agree. He really doesn't

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Speaker 7: have to debate, have to sell himself. We already go

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Speaker 7: based on his past performance. For example, the gross national

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Speaker 7: product was the lowest of fifty years during his administration,

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Speaker 7: unemployment for minorities with the lowest in fifty years.

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Speaker 1: I agree with all this, Catherine, And let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this though. The question that I'm asking is, I

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Speaker 1: bet you would like to see Trump on a stage

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Speaker 1: with Biden, right. I think most whoever the Republican nominee is,

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Speaker 1: I think most people would rather see that person on

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Speaker 1: the stage. Do you think it makes it harder for

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Speaker 1: Trump to get Biden on the stage if he never

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Speaker 1: debates in the Republican primary, because then Biden says, well,

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Speaker 1: you didn't debate, so why should I debate? Now that's

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Speaker 1: my concern.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that a debate's ever going to occur

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Speaker 7: between those two for obvious reasons. I just don't I

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Speaker 7: think it's a non issue.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Catherine.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna I don't think they're gonna

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Speaker 2: shuffle old men Biden out there on the stage to

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Speaker 2: look confused in the whole thing. Although thank you Katherine

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Speaker 2: calling her from Chattanooga. Although Clay, I mean, I also

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Speaker 2: remember we said this, not we necessarily, but a lot

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Speaker 2: of people said this in twenty twenty. Joe debated, and

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Speaker 2: everyone can say that Trump beat him. Okay, fine, but

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Speaker 2: he was good enough that he's sitting in the Oval

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Speaker 2: office right now. So you know, maybe maybe I don't

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Speaker 2: like Andarino woomy once can't get fooled again.

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Speaker 1: As Bush one said, he's worse now than he was

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Speaker 1: four years ago. But it is also the case that

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Speaker 1: the expectations for Biden are so low that basically, if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't fall over and trip going up and down

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Speaker 1: to the stage and doesn't collapse under the bright light,

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Speaker 1: huge huge bit considered to be a victory, that's the

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Speaker 1: problem because the standard expectation. But I do think the

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Speaker 1: challenge for Trump is if he never debates, Biden's definitely

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Speaker 1: gonna cit it in the event they run against each other.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to debate,