1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Why from our nations came this budget thing is going 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: to do nothing space forts. I still think it's interesting. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Carsident Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: politics colliding Floomberg Sound On, The Insiders, the influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: than it looked in. You really have a divide within 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: Team Trump. 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The 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: politics surrounding the whistle blower Tonight Tonight, new details as 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: the White House battles down for what is shaping up 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: to be political battle even bigger than the Mueller investigation 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell standing strong with President Trump. 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: But will Republicans in the Senate stick by his side? 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: We will navigate the INDs, the outs, the democratic perspective, 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: the Republican perspective. What does it mean for the trade agenda? 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: What does it mean for the policy agenda? As this scandal, 20 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: the Ukraine scandal as the Democrats calling it, or nothing 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: Burger as the Republicans have been calling it all week 22 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: heads into a second week, and what a week it 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: was before we get into it with Wendy Benjaminson, Bloomberg 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: New Politics editor and Francesca Chambers, White House correspondent for 25 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: The Daily Mail soon to be McClatchy News. Coming up 26 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: later on in the program, We're gonna check in with 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: Brian Hook. I'll play for you that interview from Bloomberg Television. 28 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: He's the U S Special Representative for Iran. Some major 29 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: developments from on the European front as it relates to Iran. 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: Europe now saying that Iran, that uh Iran was in 31 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: fact behind potentially that Saudi of Ramco drone attack from 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: earlier this month. A lot to get through, remember the 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: UN General Assembly meeting concluded earlier this week. But domestically 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: it's all about well Ukraine and the President tonight is 35 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: now honkering down to a new political reality that faces 36 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: him in the short term that could have long lasting 37 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: implications into the next election year and beyond. Of course, 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the whistleblower report that capped off a 39 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: dizzying week on Capitol Hill. We have new details tonight 40 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is saying that the House 41 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: Intelligence Committee is fully prepared to be meeting during the 42 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: House Congressional recess to continue with the investigation. We're also 43 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: hearing that the House is preparing for some type of 44 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: public hearing with Rudy Giuliani, the former New York City mayor, 45 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: and of course now the President's personal attorney, whom the 46 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: whistleblower alleges was going to Ukraine to really act as 47 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: the go between, which mean President Trump and the Ukrainians, 48 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: and now he's in a back and forth with members 49 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: of the intelligence community. Here with me for the hour. 50 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: Wendy Benjamin's in Bloomberg News Politics editor Francesca Chambers, White 51 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: House correspondent for The Daily Mail. Thank you both for 52 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: being here. Wendy, I'll start with you. All right, we've 53 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: concluded a dizzying week here, we are heading into the weekend. 54 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: What changes for the president come Monday morning? There are 55 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: tremendous changes for the president. He now is facing I 56 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: think the most serious threat to his presidency since he 57 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: was elected. The difference between this and the Russia investigation, 58 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: is that that was all based on you know, anonymous 59 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: sources and things we didn't know in secret conversations that happened, 60 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, overseas. And here we have the transcript of 61 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: the phone call and a report by a whistleblower who 62 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: was you know, did some actual reporting on his or 63 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: her own to tell us what the reaction was in 64 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: the White House. And so this is a particularly dangerous 65 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: time for the president. I think let's take a listen 66 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: to what House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had to say when 67 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: she was discussing yesterday, just summing up all of the 68 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: summing up the week. Here she is, this is a 69 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: very sad time for our country. I say this to 70 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: you with great sorrow and prayerfully that we are a 71 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: place that I hoped we would never be. I never 72 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: thought we would see a president take the actions that 73 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: he has. So there you have it. Francesca Chambers, White 74 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: House correspondent for the Daily Mail. Um, what changes for 75 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: Democrats on come Monday morning? Well, for both sides. On Monday, 76 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: we're going to hear for the first time from one 77 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: of the people who was named in that whistler complaint 78 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: or at least that's what Democrats are hoping. Kevin. The 79 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: first person that they planned to summon is the former 80 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: US ambassador to Ukra and that they outlined in a 81 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: letter that they sent to the Secretary of State today 82 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: asking him for documents. Well, not asking anymore now they 83 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: are demanding their subpoena. And there's subpoenaing them. But so 84 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: far there's still requesting testimony from current and former State 85 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: Department officials. But we heard Adam Shift today say that 86 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: he plans the subpoena them too if they do not 87 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: agree to testify of their own volition. And there's there's 88 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: no questions as to whether Attorney General William Barr knew 89 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: anything about the whistleblower uh. And and when you read 90 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: that nine page document, the Whistleblower report document, whenever you 91 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: wanna call it, Rudy Giuliani is a central key figure here. 92 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: Take a list some Secretary Pompeo was asked, uh, I 93 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: believe on CBS. Uh, Yeah, on CBS with regards to 94 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: whether or not he believes that Rudy Giuliani was appropriate 95 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: in his actions. Take a listen to the Secretary of 96 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: State Mike Pompeo with how well, I'll let the second 97 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: Terry of State set here is, to the best of 98 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: my knowledge and from what I've seen so far, each 99 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: of the actions that were undertaken by State Department officials 100 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: was entirely appropriate. I mean, he's not throwing Rudy Giulian, 101 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: he's not criticizing Rudy Giuliani, but he's also not saying 102 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani is performing appropriately. Wendy right, well, how it's 103 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: a tough spot for the Secretary of State to be 104 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: is but how how can you say Rudy Giuliani is 105 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: behaving appropriately? I mean, he goes on TV and he 106 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: throws there are times when Rudy Giuliani throws Trump under 107 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: the bus. You know. It's like he said one point 108 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: before the reports were actually out, he said, well, I 109 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: don't know if he offered, you know, to hold up 110 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: to make to offer a quid pro quo. I can't 111 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: say that for I mean, and he's this is Trump's lawyer, 112 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: the one guy who should be actually, you know, doing 113 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: everything he can to protect Trump. But even he's not 114 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: doing it, and he is acting sort of outside the 115 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: diplomatic channels, and he's completely untethered from the US government, 116 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: and it's um. You know, I think Mike Pompeo was 117 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: right to frame it the way he did. However, so 118 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: I was struck by this because here we are and 119 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: there's been so much said, there's been so much written, 120 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: there's been so much tweeted about the developments as it 121 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: relates to Ukraine. Uh. And we we finally have a 122 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: poll out for how Americans are interpreting this and how 123 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,119 Speaker 1: they are how they're viewing it, and it's this Morning 124 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: Consult pull. A good friend of the program, Eli Yoakley 125 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: over at Morning Consult flagged it for me. Uh. And 126 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: he says that essentially, for the course, a pull of 127 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: a morning console pull of all voters when asked whether 128 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: or not Congress should begin impeachment proceedings, UH, pulled between 129 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: of all voters said yes, said no, have no opinion. 130 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: This is about the same level as the Mueller Report 131 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: week when you break it down by party of Democrats 132 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: say that they're in favor of of beginning impeachment proceedings. 133 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: And again that's the tough thing, and that could mean 134 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: many different things. But only ten of Republicans independent since 135 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: its pent. So this is still, Francesca an incredibly polarizing, 136 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: politically tribalism story, and that's what the White House is 137 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: counting on. Right. White House officials have been brushing this 138 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: off and saying that, like the Mueller Report, they expect 139 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: that this will blow over, and that it would be 140 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: a complete and total overreaction for them to start, let's say, 141 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: getting some outside council, hiring some more lawyers. To them, 142 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: this is just more democratic oversea. Do we know what 143 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: McConnell saying, Francesca um, I don't know that we've heard from, 144 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: because we've heard. We heard not this afternoon, but earlier 145 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: this week when the transcript came out pre whistle blower complaint. 146 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: He said in a Statements of political quote, I've read 147 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: the sub of the call. If this is the launching 148 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: point for House democrats impeachment process, they've already overplayed their hand. 149 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: It's clear there is no quid pro quo that the 150 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: Democrats were desperately praying for. End quote that was in 151 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: a statement to Politico Wendy. So, McConnell is arguably the 152 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: person who decides whether or not this becomes a political 153 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: transforms from a political story into a constitutional one. That's right. 154 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: He does. And at the moment, it doesn't look like 155 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: the Senate will take the action. And I just to 156 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: remind people of their sixth grade Civics class. I was 157 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: in the schoolhouse rock play in eighth grade. So I 158 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: just want to say that sorry has nothing to do 159 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: with this. Sorry ken career, the or the end. But 160 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: the House will vote to may vote if they do, 161 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: if they vote to impeach the President of the United States. 162 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: What that means. Is it similar to an indictment. It 163 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: says there's enough to charge him. Then there's a trial 164 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: in the Senate. If the Senate agrees to hold a trial, 165 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: and if they do, it is the Senate that could 166 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: convict or acquit. The Senate acquitted Bill Clinton. So the 167 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: so whether the Senate takes this up is still a 168 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: big question. Things could evolve to the point where, you know, um, 169 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: Republicans do believe this is wrong. But I just want 170 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: to say one thing if I can Kevin about the poll, 171 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: which is that we're not sure with Independence or Democrats, 172 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: the ones who are opposed to impeachment. Is it because 173 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: they think this is a nothing burger? Or is it 174 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: because they think that impeachment is the wrong way to 175 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,119 Speaker 1: go about this. And there is a very real concern 176 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: and risk that if the Democrats in the House impeaches 177 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: him and the Senate won't take it up and he 178 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: is acquitted or acquitted by lack of action, then Trump 179 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: has been which hunted and there's a very real sympathy 180 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: in the country and he could be reelected, which you 181 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: know would be bad for Democrats. Can I also just say, 182 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: Kevin though, looking at a vote in the Senate on impeachment, 183 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: Oh my, that would be incredibly difficult because the Republicans 184 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: agree that he has even a few Republicans that he 185 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: would have committed potentially impeachable offenses to put that vote 186 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: on record as a Republican, I mean, if it fails, yeah, 187 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: you bet her open wins because Donald Trump, particularly if 188 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: you're up for re election this year two years, Uh, 189 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: that's not going to play very well for you. He's 190 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: going to drag you all right. Coming up, Panel reacts 191 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: to the policy implications plus who's up? Who's winning? Republicans 192 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: are Democrats? As the case for impeachment, Democrats continue to 193 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: build a download the Bloomberg sound On podcast on appalach 194 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: Chains and Bloomberg dot Com or by downloading the Bloomberg 195 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: Business app. You can also find us on Radio dot com, 196 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, and Spotify. I. I'm Kevin CURRELLI. You're 197 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with 198 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven 199 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: f M h D two. I'm Kevin CURRELLI, Chief Washington 200 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. From Hillary Clintson, 201 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: remember her, Hillary Clinson. She's saying that we knew he 202 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: was a corrupt businessman who cheated people. We knew his 203 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,359 Speaker 1: campaign invited for an adversaries to tamper with our elections, 204 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: and now we know that in the course of his 205 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: duties as our president, he's endangered us all by putting 206 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: his personal and political interests ahead of the interests of 207 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: the American people. Hillary Clinton was at Georgetown today, folks, 208 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: talking about this, the Ukraine scandal story. Wendy Benjaminson's here. 209 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg News Politics editor Francesca Chambers, White House correspondent for 210 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: The Daily Mail. Coming up, we're gonna play for you 211 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: my interview with Brian Hope, the U S Special envoy 212 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: for a Iron and a lot of developments on the 213 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: foreign policy front. So I'm excited that we can we 214 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: can dabble away from this Ukraine story for just a second. Okay, 215 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: So I was talking to some sources upon Capitol Hill 216 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: earlier today Francesco who say that Speaker Pelosi likely wants 217 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: to see articles of impeachment by Thanksgiving and have all 218 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: of this wrapped up by the end of the calendar year, 219 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: which means we head into in January, a month before 220 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: the Iowa Caucus with this done. Does that message the 221 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: time because everybody wants into the timeline. Folks getting home 222 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: from work to in their car. They want to know 223 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: what this means in terms of U. S M C 224 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: A timeline, all of the other policy and implications and whatnot, 225 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: and whether they'll be talking about this over Thanksgiving dinner. Sure, no, 226 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: I think that that sounds right. Let's all make a 227 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: pack to not talk politics ever. Thanks. I'm so sick, 228 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm complaining. I have a lot of gratitude in my life, 229 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: but I will tell you it's so annoying. You were 230 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: like everyone's windowing to Washington. But I do think, I 231 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: do think that that's accurate, because the worst thing you 232 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: want to signal heading into an election year is we 233 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: have no faith in whoever are Democratic nominee is so 234 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: we feel that if we you know, we we don't 235 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: act now to get the president out of office, this 236 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: might be our last chance. So you either want to 237 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: if you're gonna do it, you want to do it. 238 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: You want to do it this year before the Iowa Caucuses. 239 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: It's definitely not something that you want to be doing 240 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: amid the presidential primary, no doubt. Well, and you know, 241 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: with all due respect to Mrs Clinton, yes we knew 242 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: all those things about Donald Trump, and yet still the 243 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: country elected him over Mrs Clinton. And further, it's there 244 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: is a real danger that the Democrats are going to somehow, 245 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, not do this precisely enough, and there will 246 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: be eight years of Donald Trump. And that's that's thing 247 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: where the Democrats will have to really take a look 248 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: at who's running for president, how they conduct themselves. I 249 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: think there's gonna be some naval gazing when you look 250 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: at the the agenda from from the policy wonk business 251 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: community world as it relates to U S m c A, 252 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: as it relates to chances of a US China trade 253 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: agreement as it relates to UH drug pricing and whatnot. 254 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: The consensus, based upon the conversations that I have with 255 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: analysts at the various groups around town, as well as 256 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: with sources up on Capitol Hill, is that it's one 257 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: thing to have a tweet take up oxygen in the 258 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: room from the President. It's an entirely different thing to 259 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: have impeachment proceedings drowned out everything. And so the path, 260 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: at least now as we and this week, the path 261 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: that's for significant meaningful policy agenda items getting accomplished has 262 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: just you're, you're, you're, you're making the throw out the 263 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: window Wendy motion. Another reason I wish we were on 264 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: TV there's on here is but those chances have diminished. Yes, 265 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: and and Speaker Pelosi was absolutely right, as it turned 266 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: out in eighteen and the midterms when she encouraged candidates 267 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: not to focus on Donald Trump. She encouraged the candidates 268 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: to focus on healthcare and income inequality. So there was 269 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: a there was a shift, and guess what they won. 270 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: And now it's all going to be about Trump. They're 271 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: not going to be able to do prescription drugs. They're 272 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: not going to be able to do infrastructure, They're not 273 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: going to be able to do us m c A. 274 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: And this hatred between the parties continues. So what changed 275 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: because Democrats, when I say what change, they say, well, 276 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: it's a constitutional crisis. And look, I'm not I'm not, 277 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: I'm not, but I'm not saying I'm not opening on 278 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: whether or not that legitimate. But there, But what's truthfully? 279 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: What what do you think changed from the from that 280 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: calculation of Pelosi's perspective. I think that the transcript of 281 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: that phone call was so surprising. And you see in 282 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: the whistleblowers report where the person says, you know that 283 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: he was he or she was told by half a 284 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 1: dozen people that they went, you know, they after they 285 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: locked down the transcript, they went running to the White 286 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: House Council's office to make sure they didn't just witness 287 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: a crime. This This is not maybe Donald Trump violated 288 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: the emoluments clause or maybe Donald Trump you know, uh, 289 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, his campaign colluded with the Russians, or Manafort 290 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: represented a Ukrainian. This is you can see and Trump 291 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 1: says he asked the Ukrainian president to investigate Joe Biden. 292 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: That probably bears investigating, but it does have the effect 293 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: of stopping policy's. It really is incredibly, incredibly fascinating, and 294 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to John Harris, 295 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: a founding editor of Politico. He has an amazing analytical 296 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: piece on Political Magazine that's up today. He covered the 297 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: impeachment proceedings of Clinton and he says that so many 298 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: of the policeical reality that we are living in, and 299 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: this Washington d C was really created uh during the 300 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: impeachment proceedings of yesteryear and during the UH, the Clinton impeachment. UH. 301 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: He says, there was the notion that establishment news organizations 302 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: were no longer the gatekeepers of the news or what 303 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: right minded people were supposed to think about the news. 304 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: He notes the Internet pioneer Matt Matt Drudge, and he 305 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: goes on to write, this was also the beginning of 306 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: saturation coverage of Washington and the commercialization of political news. 307 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: CNN went round the clock with the Lewinsky special programming, 308 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: as did its newborn rivals MSNBC and Fox News. The 309 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: hysteria and indignation industry was born. Coming up my interview 310 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: with Brian Hook. You have special representative for Iron Download 311 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg 312 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You 313 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: can also find us on Radio dot Com, I Heart Radio, 314 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: and Spotify. Kevin Surrell, you're listening to Bloomberg. You're listening 315 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg. Sound On with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg and 316 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: one oh five point seven f M h D two. 317 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: With so much conversation around Ukraine, let's not forget about 318 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: the overseas developments happening on what has become volatile sitchen 319 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: situation with Iran. Earlier today I interviewed Brian Hook, US 320 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: special representative for Iran and a senior advisor to Secretary 321 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: of State Mike Pompeo. I had to begin the interview 322 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: with what all of the Ukraine situation means for the 323 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: United States abroad and well, roll tape, Kevin, it hasn't 324 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: really had any effect at all. Here in New York. 325 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: We're just finishing up the United Nations General Assembly. We've 326 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: had a very good and productive week here. The European 327 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: Nations have now joined the United States and called for 328 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: a new Iran deal to replace the deal that we 329 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: left about a year ago. And we also had a 330 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: number of countries identify Iran as responsible for the attacks 331 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia, which were a clear violation of the 332 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: United Nations Charter. And so we've had a very good 333 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: week here. I want to pick up on that because, 334 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Iron's key European partners distanced themselves earlier 335 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: today from Tehran amidst rising tension that Iran has with 336 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: the United States. I mean, I'm looking at this France, Germany, 337 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: they have joined the UK and saying that Iran was 338 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: behind the Saudi Aramco facility attacks. So with that now 339 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: on the table, UH, when what is the timetable for 340 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: creating a new type of international coalition as it relates 341 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: to Iran. Well, I think this is going to probably 342 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: proceed in a number of steps. The first step is 343 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia will conclude its investigation of the attacks. They 344 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: have already said that Iran is behind the attacks. We 345 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: think that when they finished the side exploitation and knob 346 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: Cake where the attacks occurred, that they will then UH 347 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: send a letter to the U n Security Council asking 348 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: it to take appropriate action. In the meantime, the United 349 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: States is going to continue to intensify our sanctions on 350 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: Iran until they come to the negotiating table. But in 351 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: the meantime, we'll be denying them billions of dollars in 352 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: revenue that they would otherwise spend on terrorist operations. You know, 353 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: I was I was reading in preparation for this interview. Uh, 354 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: if it only costs Iran a couple of thousand dollars 355 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: to carry out a drone attack like the one they 356 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: uh that the US and European nations are saying happened 357 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: with Saudi Aramco and and the U s is placing 358 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: so many sanctions to isolate Iran. But how do you 359 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: thwart off those smaller dollar drone attacks if it's cheap 360 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: for them to do it. That is one of the 361 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: advantages of modern terrorism. Terrorists have an asymmetric advantage where 362 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: they have to be right once, but we have to 363 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: be right about a thousand times a day. This is 364 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: just the nature of sort of the modern age and 365 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: the ability of terrorists to get into their hands sophisticated weapons, 366 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: as you said, Kevin, that are very inexpensive. So we 367 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: have denied the regime tens of billions of dollars in revenue. 368 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: The regime is weaker today, and so are its proxies. 369 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: We have been able to deter and disrupt a number 370 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: of Iranian attacks that they've been looking to execute since May, 371 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: but we have not eliminated the asymmetric advantage that they have. 372 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: President Trump tweeting out earlier today that he is not 373 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: willing to lift any of those sanctions in terms of 374 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: the reaction for Iran, a President Ruwani of Iran saying 375 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: that the US had offered to lift sanctions in exchange 376 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: for talks. Do you have any response to that. That's 377 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: not true? Uh, yeah, not true. The President has made 378 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: clear that he is open to meeting with the Iranians, 379 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: but there will be no sanctions relief until we have 380 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: a new deal. And that deal needs to address the 381 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: entire range of threats that Iran presents to the world. 382 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: That's the nuclear program, their missile program, the regional aggression, 383 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: and their hostage taking of Americans. So we're very much 384 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: focused on getting a new deal. The Europeans have moved 385 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: in our direction this week. It was a big diplomatic 386 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: setback for Iran, and we hope that we can get 387 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: to a new deal, but the pressure is going to 388 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: continue until Iran comes to the table. And I just 389 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: got to press you on this in terms of a timetable, 390 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: because now with the Europeans essentially in agreement with the 391 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: United States here, is there any timetable Brian, in terms 392 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: of next steps for when an international type of pressure 393 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: campaign might happen against Tehran. I think the question is 394 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: um looking at the Iran nuclear deal. The Iran the 395 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: Iranian regime is in material breach of the Iran nuclear Deal. 396 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: We're out of the deal, which is a good thing 397 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: because it enables us to better prevent Iran from getting 398 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon. And so the Europeans are going to 399 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: have to decide at some point whether they want to 400 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: keep staying the deal, and so that's one of the 401 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: things we'll be looking at. But we think this is 402 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: a very important step in our direction. We would like 403 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: to see the European Union sanctioned Iran it's missile program 404 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: and it's drone program so that we can help restore 405 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: to terrence in that region. That was Brian Hook, us 406 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: special representative for iron and a senior advisor to Secretary 407 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: of State Mike Pompeo coming up penal reacts. I'm Kevin Cirelli, 408 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. And 409 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: this is Bloomberg ninety nine one. This is Bloomberg Sound 410 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: On with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and one oh five 411 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: point seven F M h D two. Happy Friday, folks. 412 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: I genuinely thought that this week was over three or 413 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: four days ago, but then I realized it wasn't. I'm 414 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: Kevin Sireli, chief Washington correspondent with Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg News. 415 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: It was a dizzying week. But how about that Eagles 416 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: game last night? How did you stay up for it? 417 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: The guys one Philly one, Thank the Lord feeding the 418 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. But still Carson Wentz cannot seem to 419 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: connect in the first quarter. All right, this is a 420 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: politics policy show. Wendy Benjaminson's here, Bloomberg News politics editor. 421 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: I believe you're from Texas, but I think you don't 422 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: like the Cowboys, if I recall correctly, not like the 423 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: cow Sorry, and your micros off. I just want to 424 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: hear that on air. Let me say that on air. 425 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: I am a Houston girl. We are from Texas. Yeah, 426 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: so you don't like the Dallas Cowbras. All right, good, okay, 427 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: I know I like to Francesco Chambers, white House correspondent 428 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: for the Daily Mail, do you like the Dallas Cowboys. 429 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm from Kansas City, so that makes me a Kansas 430 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: City Chiefs fan. All right, good for you? All right, 431 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: I mean you guys have had a same um. Okay. 432 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: My favorite part of the show What's on your Radar? 433 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: But there's a rule. It can't be Ukraine. We've talked 434 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: enough about all week and there's been other news happening. 435 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: What is on your radar? Wendy Benjaminson, Elizabeth Warren, she 436 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: had the best week, She had a great week, and 437 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: and you know, yet Biden is still overshadowed it with 438 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: all of this Ukraine stuff. But she is in a 439 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: statistical tie with Joe Biden, inching ahead within the margin 440 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: of error, but two points ahead of him in Iowa, 441 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: New Hampshire, California, and in a Quinnipiac national poll. So 442 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: that is uh. And those polls were taken before this 443 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: whole Ukraine thing, before the Ukraine bump. Yes, and then 444 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: she'll get a Ukraine bump. She has effectively kept her 445 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: message on Trump um and without defending Biden, but she's 446 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: kept it on Trump, where Bernie Sanders kind of, you know, uh, 447 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: kind of stuck into Joe Biden this week by saying, well, 448 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: I haven't read too much about Hunter Biden. So yes, 449 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: so that's actually really interesting. Let's let's stick with the 450 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: Bernie angle of this, because you mentioned the mom at 451 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: University a pole which now has Senator Elizabeth Warren beating 452 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden in New Hampshire, beating Joe Biden in Iowa, 453 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: and the Quinnipiac pole which has Elizabeth Warren beating Joe 454 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: Biden and a poll of all. But it doesn't but 455 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: when you look at the trend, I mean, and she 456 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: hasn't even attacked him. I mean, And this is what 457 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: I want to stick with, Bernie. But we'll come back 458 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: to the second. Bernie dodged when he was asked point 459 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: blank if he has concerns about Hunter Biden. He dodged 460 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: because he's running his message is anti establishments, anti corruption, 461 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: anti chronism. Yes, but his closest competitor is Elizabeth Warren, 462 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: not Joe Biden. Yeah, come in here, come on, come in. Yes, 463 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: that's true that his closest competitor is Elizabeth Warren. But 464 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: here's a theory that I've heard, which is that Bernie 465 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: Sanders might believe that the best place for him to 466 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: pick up points in the race is actually from Joe Biden. 467 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: A lot of people believe that if you look at 468 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: the who's number two on your on your list for 469 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: for Bernie voters, it's Biden. It's not Warrant, right, That's 470 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: where that's where this is coming from in the polling, 471 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: and so it doesn't make sense to them to to 472 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: go after the low polling candidates and try and pick 473 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: up a point here at our point there, it's to 474 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: go after Joe Biden and and pull down some points 475 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: from him. Because of what Kevin just said. I believe it. 476 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 1: It's just seems so funny because they're so different. Unless 477 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: it's just that's the boomer vote or something. It's it's fascinating. 478 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it really truly is. But for Elizabeth Warren, 479 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: I put this question to everyone, Republicans, Democrats, democratic socialists, 480 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,239 Speaker 1: and I'm very curious for both of your perspectives on this, 481 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: because her message is drained the swamp. She's not saying 482 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: drained the swamp, but her message is anti chronism. Can 483 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: she criticized Joe Biden and make a chrony ist argument, 484 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: not saying that what he did is illegal, but saying 485 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: what he did was chrony. I'll start with you one day. Well, 486 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: first of all, he didn't do anything. Crony is if 487 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: crony is a word, right with Hunter Biden getting a 488 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: spot on that board, Ukraine may have thought they could 489 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: get something, But Joe Biden, representing the United States, the 490 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: European Union, the International Monetary Fund, and everyone carried out 491 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: US policy. I want to let me, let me be 492 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: firing the prosecutor. I want that. I'm saying from an 493 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: outsider in Delco, where I grew up in suburban Philly, 494 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: who is an independent voter, who has who folks have 495 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: voted for Republican presidents and Democratic presidents, the son of 496 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: a vice president joining the board of a Ukrainian But 497 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: what did Joe but the appearance? I mean, I mean, if, if, 498 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: if people are going to criticize the Trump kids for 499 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: various things, you're saying, you're saying you think you're safe. No, 500 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: I didn't say think, you say do? I think Warren 501 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: can use the cronia as an argument I don't think 502 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 1: can you think that here's the difference? Really, if you're 503 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren and you're you're trying to figure out how 504 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: to attack this, right, do you really want to give 505 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: this one to Donald Trump? Because the moment that people 506 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: like Elizabeth Warren start attacking him, then the next attack 507 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: a you're going to see is one from Donald Trump. 508 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a mashup of them, even you know, 509 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: in him and rally saying like even the Democratic competitors 510 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: think that that Joe Biden did this. So that's where 511 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: the danger lies for Democrats in in jumping onto this train. 512 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: There's plenty of room to criticize Joe Biden without ever 513 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: touching Ukraine. If you're Elizabeth Warren, all right, I totally disagree. 514 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: I think she's going to touch it, and I think 515 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: that no, no, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm not. 516 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm a debate. But the debate will be Can I 517 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: just say the debate that's coming up will be a 518 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: true test of this issue, because what if the moderators 519 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: bring up the issue to Joe Biden and the other 520 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: people asked stage or asked about this, what are they 521 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: going to say every candidate has to think very very this. 522 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: This is my point is that Joe. No one is 523 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: saying that there was anything illegal. But when you've got 524 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: Democrats members of Congress saying that this has to be 525 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: looked into, and that there's questions about this, and the 526 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: Senate is saying that they're going to investigate this. Look, 527 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: it's in the it's in the conversation, you know, and 528 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: and it's and and and the issue of the children 529 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: of influencers in Washington. I mean, come on, we've been 530 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: here before. And the culture. Two types of people, they're 531 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: the people on that stage who can claim, well, I 532 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: think the Congress should definitely look into that because they're 533 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: not in the Congress, so it doesn't follow on them. 534 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: What's on your radar, what's on my ar? I want 535 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that well, besides the debate, right right, 536 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: that's a big thing. Besides the debate. Uh. I really 537 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: have been watching the times that President Trump claims that 538 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: he might go visit another country. Uh No, it's true. 539 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: Every time someone asked him, he wants, yeah, I'm definitely 540 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: gonna come to Germany. Uh. Now, he's committed to coming 541 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: to Poland again very soon this fall. But The most 542 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: interesting one was when over the weekend he claimed that 543 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: he could go to Mumbai to watch the NBA game 544 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: that will be taking place in India for the very 545 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: first time, which uh was not something that had ever 546 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: been suggested before. And this game is taking place on 547 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: October four or fifth, so I think it's pretty clear 548 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: that he's not going. That's not going to happen at 549 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: this point. Um. But it is so difficult for the 550 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: White House when the President says things like that, to 551 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: have a real expiration date. And I'm curious as to 552 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: whether he will also follow through and go to Australia 553 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: this year because they invited him for the golf game, 554 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: and that's gonna be hard for him to turn down. 555 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: It's that's that's fascinating. That's that's that's great. What's all 556 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: My radar is sixty minutes on CBS this Sunday, Nora 557 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: O'Donnell sits down with Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed been 558 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: Salmon MBS and what he says about Iran, what he 559 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: says about Jamaal ka Shaky, the journalist who the Saudis 560 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: had killed, UH is gonna be fascinating. I mean, and 561 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: and it really is the first time I believe that 562 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: we're hearing since the intense since the situation with Iran 563 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: has intensified, from the Saudi Crown Prince, who is really 564 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of a host of different different policy 565 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: um implications around the world as it relates to us 566 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: as early relations and of course as it relates to Iran. 567 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: Al Right, that does it? From me? What great? Radar? Great? Uh? 568 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: Insights from Wendy Benjaminson, Bloomberg News politics editor, non Dallas 569 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: Cowboys fan and Francisca Chambers White House correspondent for The 570 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: Daily Mail. Uh. I want to see at Astro this weekend. 571 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm running in the Georgetown half marathon on Sunday. Any 572 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: of you doing that? Butt see this ismbarrassing? But I 573 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: want to see the Down Nabby movie. I have no desire. 574 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to see that at all where we disagree. Again, 575 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: A lot of America also wants to I've never seen 576 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: an episode of two shows, Downton Abbey or what's that 577 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: one where they fight a lot, not Hunger Games, the 578 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: one what's it called? Never seen that. I'm Kevin's really 579 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television, in Bloomberg Radio, you're 580 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg ninety nine one. Have a great weekend.